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Pep not only coached barçelona but he was also a barçelona academy graduate and also captained them.
You dont use ç like that brother, its only for barça, barcelona is with a c. xDD
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@@deathslayer5813it looks cool tho 😎
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C has K sound (like in Cat, Coop or Cut) and has a S sound when behind E or I (like Cigar or Certificate), if you need an S sound behind those other vowels you need a Ç (that's a C with cedilla) to "force" the S sound. It works the same in romanic or germanic languages, except romanic has cedillas...
@@GLOBOLG and the normal C is a th sound in Spanish.
9 is the striker, 10 is the creative mid fielder
A False 9 shows both characteristics
Firmino at Liverpool was immense in this role.
He was also the first line of defence and chased down everything.
👍🏼And the false 9 became something else when Pep made Leo play as a false 9.
Yes and false 9 has more freedom to move around the 9 to recieve the balls he brings down from the air
Bergkamp was a great example of this.
10 is the second striker not a midfielder
7:16 yes, these players basically grew up together in the academy. On top of that, they were coached and trained into a total football philosophy. The result was a near telepathic understanding of each other's movement and next play while on the pitch
👍You see that now that Messi, Jordi and Busquets are playing at Inter Miami
Always great to see you guys. To my surprise I always like it when Luke points out comparisons between Football and Football even though I'm (like a lot of us probably) more prejudiced about American Football than 3 Americans together are about Football.
It's may be to soon to get us entirely invested in American Football but do keep pointing out similarities.
I think it'll definitely be a slow intro. I need to understand this sport more in-depth before I ever officially compare the two over a video. Even at that point, it'll take multiple videos to draw in the broad scope of the two sports.
You guys need to see a video called "Fluminense have the weirdest tactics in the world". Its about Fernando Diniz who is the Nacional Team coach of Brasil. He has a phylosophy completely different than Klopp and Guardiola.
I'm glad Luke mention the documentary "Take the Ball, Pass the Ball" to Corey. Hope you get a chance to go watch it Corey.
20:39 The counterattack not only depends on the offense's position, but in the shape of the team that just lost the ball. I found that this past men's world cup showed (for me) a shift from possession game to focus on counterattack. Teams like Japan who barely possessed the ball went farther than Germany who are perennial favorites.
You should watch some LFC videos, Klopp is an amazing manager and helped players like Salah, Mane and Firmino become some of the best attackers in the world, especially 2017-19. He called it "heavy metal football"
The difficulty with the full press is that the whole frontline needs to press at the same time with the same intensity, any small difference and it’s broken. One person a second behind and it’s enough to thread a pass to the midfield and your front line is out of the game. Building from the back gives you more space to work with, which means that your opposition has more space to cover which makes them tired. Space + Possession forces your opponent to make mistakes because they get frustrated and agitated
a Phill Jackson Chicago Bulls triangle is the best analogy to Pep's Barcelona imo
1- Goalkeeper
2- Right Back
3- Left Back
4- Centre Back
5- Centre Back (or Sweeper, if used)
6- Central Defensive/Holding Midfielder
7- Right Attacking Midfielders/Wingers
8- Central/Box-to-Box Midfielder
9- Striker
10- Attacking Midfielder/Playmaker
11- Left Attacking Midfielders/Wingers
false nine or 9,5 is closer to a 10
Check out The Barcelona Pivot, how Sergio Busquets mastered football’s hardest role.
Barca 2010/11 had 8 youth team players out of 11....thats mad.... greatest footballing team ever I've seen.
Btw, it was FC Bayern that countered and complely embarassed Barca (2013).
There are videos on youtube which highlight the tactical plays. Quite worth it.
The philosophy of tiki taka has also been likened to bull fighting in spain. In bull fighting the guy with the cape tries to make the bull run so much he exhausts the bull and he is then able to kill the bull. With tiki taka their possession game would often mean the opponent is chasing shadows so by the end they are so tired they leave their opponent big spaces on the pitch which allows them to score and win.
Since your friend is defensive coach it will more amazing if he can see more defensive side of football, like Zone and Man or when you need to stuck out or closing down. Football is rich in defensive philosophy to.
If Corey loves Tiki-Taka he’s gonna love Gegenpress
Apparently I severely mispronounce this lol. I can't wait to dive in to it!
Barcelonas tiki taka was adopted by the golden state warriors. If you look into it the give full credit to pep guardiolas Barcelona for the inspiration in the team work of the golden state warriors, the influence the winning strike of a team in a completely different sport, but I don’t see people talking about it because it is important to say the importance of the influence that this team cause in the U.S. whitout people realizing .
Rope-a-dope.
That's actually a pretty good analogy.
Really Good video! I think both of you guys are starting to understand alot of the tactics. The striker is usually the numer 9. And the 10 is usually the player right behind him.
The cool thing about pressing with that Barcelona team is that they rarely had to do it since they almost always had the ball. Some games they had up to 90% possession for the entire game. It lulled their opponents to sleep and ran them ragged as it’s much easier to make a pass than it is to chase a ball around the field. If they ever did lose the ball, the teams would panic after not having had the ball for the last 5-10 minutes and boom. Barca would press hard against their tired and frustrated opponents and get the ball back. Then the other team would be chasing them around all over again until they lost focus for just a second, and that’s when Barça would score. Nightmare to play against.
Its not that the style went out of favour in a bad way. There's simply no team in the world with the quality of those players. Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi and Messi were an insane midfield + false 9. They were perfect for this style.
Plus Pique would was amazing with his feet. And all of them grew up in the Barca academy.
I recommend you guys watch the games of Arsenal vs Barcelona in 2011 and Celtic vs Barcelona in 2012 and how they were able to stop prime Barcelona. I suggest you watch the whole game, as it was a tactical masterpiece from both games.
Great content, have y'all tried playing football manager? It will help you experiment with your footballing philosophies
6:30 MC just won CL with Pep using just the same philisophy!
Xavi and Iniesta - they were the masters of this tiki taka.
You cannot press with only half the team effectively. If say the front 3 and 2 of the midfielders only press constantly and the rest of the team stays put it creates gaps in the field and the opposition can easily beat the press. There's different ways coaches press but it's a team system.
Its not a tactic, just because of the amount of skill and training needed to reach this level. Remember those players played in La Masia (Johan Cruyff philosophy) for years before beginning to implement it in senior level football. Do not compare Manchester City or Bayern with this Barcelona (2009), simply they cannot be compared on the amount of skills needed to make it flawless. Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets are the key components; La Masia most skilled graduates. After 2011, Inter Milan park the bus strategy and having 1 good offensive player can easily steal 1 goal with a counter, because in Tiki-Taka everyone participates in the defence or offense; so you'll give space on a counter, and an offensive player is way faster than a defender 20 meters away from the defensive line.
Tiki-Taka avoids long balls and difficult ball plays, which turned out to be the main threat to it. Funny fact, Tunisia always parked the bus its a super defensive team thats why Spain suffered in 2006 Vs Tunisia (Only when Torres and Raul entered and long balls came in so spain scored 3 goals) Also, Tunisia did a 3-3 Vs Catalunya and won on penalties in 2016, which is a funny fact of football.
5:41 (±) » you're describing much more a "brazilian way of dribbling", lol ─ the "dance" moves to get rid of defenders, open space to shoot or pass 😝 // but of course, I got the idea and yes, it's pretty much like that ☺
From a barca fan, i think the false 9 is kinda overrated, not because it didn't work, but because it only works with super elite players like messi, it could work of course on a lesser extent like with firmino at Liverpool or something like that, and this is just my opinion.
I watch your videos because my girlfriends refuses to discuss football tactics with me. I don't understand why. So. thank you. :D
2011-2012 Real Madrid beat them and broke a record for most points in one season that year. Not many can say they beat that team let alone beat them in the league too.
Receive and control the ball, pass it quickly, and move into space is the very basis of all football.
Or you could put it " let the ball do the work ".
A goal is when someone passes the ball into the net.
It's good to watch those who can dribble past a few defenders, but if they lose the ball at the end, then it's pretty pointless.
No where Pep ask his players to build from the back if the ball is recovered high on the pitch. Honestly, I don’t get it from where you pick that one? Playing from the back is the case only when the ball it is on the goalkeeper or one of the central defenders, basically to don’t abuse the long pass and start the game with short passes.
Also Gegenpressing doesn't tell you what to do with the ball after you are recovering the ball and only when and how quick to press. Gegenpressing and the style of pressing use by Pep are very similar, the main difference is the intensity. Klopp teams apply higher intensity, on the other hand Pep's teams are closing the passing lines. For Klopp is important to recover the ball as higher possible on the pitch, for Pep is important to recover the ball in less than 6 seconds, if is high up the pitch then is a counter, if is a bit low on the pitch then the team can restart the attack. For example in that game against Real Madrid for one of the goals Xavi manage to recover the ball within 30m from Real goal and immediately he is passing the ball to Messi which scores after 2 toucher only.
Bayern Munich dismantled tiki taka in the champions league
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This video explains how the philosphy came up...
“Tiki-Taka” Is Spanish for “Bish-Bosh”
Positions used to match shirt numbers. There was numbers 1 - 11 on the pitch at kick off. Numbers used to correspond with positions generally. No 9 was usually your striker/centre forward. Then it moved to squad numbers instead but we use old school numbers to generalise positions still 👍
That was way back in the day with completely different formations so numbers are all over the place, but it stuck together. Tradition i guess
That Barcelona team (2009-11) is the greatest team in the history of football! They won 14 titles in Pep Guardiola reign! Yes you've heard that right. Including a "sextuple", Messi also won 4 Ballon Dors in a row (09-12). Spain also won 2 Euros and a World Cup in that time frame because Spain's 7 out of 11 players were all Barcelona. They were magical ✨
AC Milan from 1987 to 1994 was the best team in history, according to the history of football. Won three champions league, (2 in a row 1989-90), and played 5 champion's league finals, 3 in a row, and a total of 17 trophies in 6 seasons.
It had a stronger defense than Barcellona, and the two forward, Gullit and Van Basten, had more scoring solutions, being tall and phisically strong, other than technical.
The trinagle philosophy, introduuced by Ajax, was perfected by Arrico Sacchi, who Guardiola was a fan of.
Sí, mai m'ho he passat tant bé en un partit al Camp Nou com amb l'era Guardiola,. Visca el Barça i Visca Catalunya!
@@LightMovies Good team,especially with the Dutch contingent but Peps Barca were on a different level.
As a fan of AC Milan - they did it better and for longer. More trophies, more years of dominance. Milan kept some of those 1994 players (Maldini for example), coach philosophy (Sacchi then Ancelotti) and carried it until 2007 when they won UCL for the last time (2003 as well). So, you can make the argument that their influence and dominance really stretched for a long time. Barca was magical because of the beauty of their football but it was also a high risk, high reward style that got countered. I like that 2011-2012 Barca team but at some point, tiki-taka was dismantled and Real dominated UCL since.
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Actually, the Core of Barca players at that era grown up playing together at Barca Academy (La Masía): Messi, Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi, Piqué, Puyol, Jordi Alba, Cesc Fabregas, Pedro. Is not only about Coaching, is about the philosophy of the club.
And Pep was the coach of those guys in the Barcelona B. When he came into the A squad he brought his guys with him.
I mean the philosophy of the club came through coaching. Without Cruijf there wouldnt be a club philosophy. Even at ajax the philosophy came with Rinus Michels
Is the Barcelona way 🔥, play in tight spaces quick passes take the ball pass the ball, watching them
Play was poetry in motion one of the many reasons we love the beautiful game
These ‘Luke teaches Corey’ videos are the best. I always feel like I’m relearning stuff I’ve forgotten! 😊
The reason why they pass the ball back after pressing and winning the ball is to drag the opposition team out from thier side of the pitch and create more space not only because Guardiola like to do that
The term tiki taka is more like a fan made slang. The real philosophy here, developed by Pep Guardiola, is called Positional Play. And Positional Play itself is spin-off of Total Football, developed by Rinus Michels in the 70s. Cruyf was Michel's pupil, who brought the philosophy to FC Barcelona.
Exactly it more of a Netherland style but as years past it got developed more and more people seem to forget how Netherland played how club like Ajax played. The ppl forget every country had their style Brazil all out attacking style Italy total defense Netherland total football, England long ball pace and power Germany well played very disciplined an organization
Fun fact about Pep, he actually played the same position as Busquets for Cruyff in the 90s.
For Tiki Taka you need extremly high quality players in your team and Barcelona has extremly talented players if not the best players in every position in the world during Peps era.
Thats why you dont see teams using it as much anymore, they simply dont have the quality required in every position.
Also Barcelonas academy La Masia trains this system since childhood and alot of the players in this team came from La Masia.
Xavi and Iniesta were even better passers than Messi with the other team members not far behind. Even the defenders were excellent passers.
Xavi and Iniesta was so good together they pretty much shared one brain. You could say individually they were 1 player, but combined they were 3 players.
They never lost posession and often had 100% pass completion.
Alves, one of the best defenders ever (who is now in jail) a Brazilian right wing defender was Messis partner on the rightwing and linked up beautifully with tiki taka passes.
Busquetes defined the DM role and was the best in his position during his time.
Puyol, the best central defender in the world during this time mentored Pique into becoming the second best central defender during this time.
Pedro came from La Masia and was often better than even Messi as a Right Wing, unfortunally he got injured and never became the same player.
Villa was brought in from Valencia and melded straight in and dominated the left wing position.
Then they brought in quality older players like Thierry Henry and Henrik Larsson that could come in and be just as good as first team players.
You couldnt really stop tiki taka as much as hinder it, and the only tactic was pretty much putting 10 players inside the penalty box to defend and rely on counters, which was often called anti-football becouse it was such a boring tactic.
If done correctly, there is no real way to defend against tiki taka.
Any team that tried to attack against Barcelona got slaughtered.
It was not uncommon for Barcelona to have over 90% posession in games.
One phiolopophy about tiki taka is that even how fast you run you cant run faster than the ball, so you make the ball do the work for you making the oponents wear themselves out chasing the ball.
Thats why they often singled out the oponents best player like Ronaldo to pass around so they could wear him out.
The Messi Neymar Suarez era was not the same. They relied heavily on those 3 players and it didnt really make for fun to watch football.
It worked for one season where they won everything, but when clubs figured out that was the only tactic Barcelona used they just put all defence on those 3 players and the team collapsed.
The coaches and presidents that took over after and Guardiola and Laporta lived in the dellusional belief that the team during Peps era that was now old and decling and not motivated anymore would just keep on winning and they didnt renew the squad and was caught with their pants down several years later.
They put the La Masia academy that had put out alot of talents in shambles limiting their budget.
They removed Johan Cruyff, who had built the Barcelona philopophy from his honorary board seating and shut him out of the club.
They bought players for 100s of millions of € each, players that didnt fit in at all, and was later sold for a fraction of the price or loaned out.
For us fans its very dissheartening to see the shambles Barcelona are in today with massive debts from poor management and beeing unable to bring in players they need and have to rely on free old players way past their expiration date.
I think you are wrong a bit. First, I would say that tiki-taka is not a tactic. It's just the outcome of Barcelona's play style. In my understanding, tiki-taka means just a possession for possession and nothing else. The main strategy for Barca at that time, was to overload one part of the field and create the space in another. And the reason why it's not used today is that it's not necessary. There were created a lot of defensive strategies, so now tiki-taka doesn't pull the attention of every defender. Also, a lot of Pressing tactics appeared. Now, I would say that football became faster in the possession stage. Teams are still using the overload to create a space, they just skip that sterile ball handling and just pass it.
That's what Guardiola said about tiki-taka:
“I loathe all that passing for the sake of it, all that tiki-taka. It's so much rubbish and has no purpose,” Guardiola complained to journalist Marti Perarnau in 2014. “You have to pass the ball with a clear intention, with the aim of making it into the opposition's goal. It's not about passing for the sake of it.”
Guardiola, who also claimed that “Barca didn’t do tiki-taka! It’s completely made up!”, felt that the tactic he had been credited with inventing had become a caricature of itself: keeping the ball for the sake of it.
But the way Barca controlled the ball was magnificent, no doubt about it.
Tevlar is spot on!nexus you have no idea!😂
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Well i kinda see it in more than just the passing.
The high pressing was just as important, something the team stoped doing during Guardiolas last year becouse he struggled getting the players motivated.
And it got progressivly worse with the coaches after that.
Players got to much power and dictated how the team should play more than the coaches, and unmotivated players doesnt want to run.
Thats a big reason new fresh players should have been brought in much sooner.
The games where noone ran even Guardiolas Barcelona struggled, mostly against team that parked the bus like Chelsea.
2009-11 Barcelona team is the greatest team I've ever seen in the history of football! They're were so destructive and magical they were just incredible to watch! Xavi, Iniesta, Busqets and Messi were just magical! ❤️
Tiki Taka characterized the playstyle of 2009 Barça the best team in history 🔵🔴
I would love to see you guys watch one of those Barça games under Pep to get a good look at the tactics. They were incredibly dominant during that time. I remember one of the commentators saying "Pep Guardiola has created a monster".
It was from the 6-2 demolition in the barnaLEO 😂
Watch a game where Ray Hudson is commentating.
Hes the best XD
That Barcelona team (2009-11) produced the greatest players of all time! ❤💙
Pep Guardiola (Greatest manager ever)
Lionel Messi 🐐 (Greatest footballer of all time)
Xavi and Iniesta (Greatest midfielders of all times)
That Barcelona team changed the history of football forever! ✨
I mean, even the goalkeeper. Before Valdes you saw them just throwing the ball as far as they could all the time.
And Cruijff teached Barcelona how to play this way.
a head-to-head football manager draft, trying to put your philosophies into practice (once you’ve gotten to know all the different tactics) would be interesting
That’s a fire idea 🔥
Yeah, this is a dope idea right here
As Jurgen Klopp said: "No playmaker in the world can be as good as a good counter-pressing situation.", in describing the importance of the gegenpress.
For reference, Eddie Howe, the Newcastle United manager, is also a lot like Klopp in his philosophy of gegenpressing.
7:20 I’m a barcelona fan and this is a big part of the philosophy of the club itself. We put heavy emphasis on the academy. The core of that barca team filled with messi, xavi, iniesta, busquets, etc. were La Masía(Barca’s academy) graduates. When you emphasize your academy paired with a clear idea of football, you save money because you don’t have to go and buy the biggest names and they come out with how to play the “barça way”
If u can, react to Neymar Jr’s career highlights or Favelas wont forget Neymar at Santos (the start of Neymar’s career),as Neymar is the third best player from this generation just behind Messi and Ronaldo while having highlights that can be even better than theirs.
I saw Luke when he just started his journey/channel and was clueless😂, but now he's teaching the game to others, and doing it well. That is pretty amazing. 🤘❤️
Btw, you're right that American football will be more interesting for outsiders if they have an open mind ( like you guys) AND have someone to explain it to them. And that finally happened to me last year, at the age of 44😂, when i spent 3 months in the US. Not that i turned into big fan, but i understand the game and the appeal now. As i said, not a huge fan, but i'll watch the big games. Last years superbowl i stayed up and was on an all night zoomcall with my american friends, as if i were in their livingroom.
BUT i have to say that besides a shared phylosophy i do not see many similarities between the 2 sports tho 😂. Very different other than trying to get the ball over the line on the other side. 😉🤘❤️
Also with the false 9 not only can it be used to draw defenders out of position but it also creates numerical supremacy in the midfield allowing your team to control the game better playing with essentially 4 midfielders
I like your videos because you are genuinely trying to learn, not just reacting to a video like some people. Please keep having these conversations that even a fan of football like me, can learn something from lml
Y’all should do Johan Cruyff as a player he’s top 10 ever. But his philosophy as managers and GM really put Barcelona years ahead of the competition.
If you saw Inter miami and nashville games, that is a good example of keeping positioned of the ball and agressive. Inter miami had fewer shots, and nashville was constantly shooting, trying to get a goal, which they were able to get one. I believe Inter Miami is trying to play the tiki taka style and being aggressive as well.
Tiki taka is almost like the philosophy of bullfighting applied to football.
Try to dazzle, confuse, and tire out the opponent.
Where in bullfighting the matador uses the cape to entice the bull to attack then sweep it out the way and dodge the charge, tiki taka they use the ball to entice players to charge only to then pass it immediately somewhere else.
The opponent often left constantly spinning trying to keep up with where the ball is. As they take a step to one player the ball is gone.
Then once the opponent is mentally and physically exhausted you can go in for the kill with minimal resistance
Nah it's not quite the same as the bulls are already dazed confused etc because they get drugged before they are let loose
Yes striker is 9 (mostly), and attacking midfielder or secondary striker like messi, maradona, uzil, Zidane they are no 10 .
For me, American Football is tactically a great game. Like a big game of chess, but with a ball.
I've watched the NFL many times over the last few decades and I do enjoy it (though I still call it "rugby with armour"), but with constant commercial breaks and so much down-time (ie. a 1 hour game that takes around 3-4 hours), it's a hard-sell to some viewers, especially if they're used to fluid, fast-paced games.
Thankfully, here in the UK, when you guys cut to commercials, we cut to the studio, where pundits, ex-players, etc, break down the game and the plays for us. :)
Sadly I agree with you. I would love for us to treat commercial breaks differently
Carlo Bilardo invented another school bases on pragmatism and hard work.
Allowing to take Argentina underdog national team to the world champion in 1986 (Lead by Diego Maradona).
Bilardo is one of the greatest football managers ever.
Based on a 4-3-3 Formation:
Goal keeper = number 1
Right back = number 2
Center back = number 4
The other center back = number 5
Left Back = number 3
Defensive midfielder = number 6
Central midfielder "that goes both way" = number 8
Offensive midfielder = number 10
Right winger = number 7
Left winger = number 11
Striker = number 9
You guys should react to channels that breakdown that kind of thing, like the purist football, a lot of things it's easier to understand when you can actually see the system operating in real time.
In 4-3-3 you can just imaginatively think the front 3 as
LeftWinger-Centre Forward- RightWinger
with the assumed number
7-9-10 or 10-9-7
Usually CF acts as the number 9.
Actually, the reason the Spanish national side used the tiki-taka style was because FC Barcelona players were the core of the national squad as well. Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets were the midfield for both teams (Barça and Spain), and they were aided by other Barça players on the national squad like David Villa and Pedro (forwards) and Carles Puyol and Gerard Piqué (both defenders). So basically, the Spanish national team that won the Word Cup and two straight Euro championships was Barça plus a few players from Madrid and other teams, who usually didn't participate in the tiki-taka because they weren't used to playing that style in their regular teams and had trouble adapting to it.
THE ART OF TIKI TAKA.. IS AMAZING 💥💥
Tiki-taka remains a highly effective strategy, it requires a considerable level of skill to execute flawlessly. If we overlook the technical aspect, what remains is Jurgen Klopp's gegenpressing. Yet, when you merge flawless technique with gegenpressing, you essentially recreate the essence of tiki-taka. For false 9, think advanced playmaker that start as striker but with free role.
Cruyff “The Greatest Mind of Football” is the man who started a new era of Football and every coach now uses his philosophy, Especially his student Pep.
That kind of Tiki taka is not played any more because it requires so high quality players to do so in an effective and winning way.
There is not the likes of Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Silva and Cesc in the same Team any more.
They were unbeateble an untouchable Team for 6,7 years.
A 9 is an area striker, he has to be strong at pivoting and good heading aswell as perfect finish. Haaland is a perfect example of a classical 9, Benzemá and Kane are multifuncional, modern 9. A 10 Is the one that distributes the short passes to the attackers on the sides or the 9, the 10 Is generally the player with the best dribble, pass and shot. A false 9 shows traits of 9 and 10, he follows the 9 on a radius to make sure that if he can pivot the ball and bring it down, the false 9 or the 10 are gonna run to get control of the ball, but a 10 generally stays a bit behind and has a different positional play to engage the midfield, the sides and the front, the false 9 has more positional freedom to follow the 9 and assist or to get the pass from the 9 and Score. False 9 are generally strong, technical and fast. 10 needs a better understanding of the game, greater vision and long pass. False 9 requires fast dribbles, opening spaces, Serving as third man and other functions but always piercing through the middle unlike wingers. Also a 10 Is not a player that stays too far away behind, he goes close to the oponents area unlike a defensive midfielder or a midfielder
Tiki Taka only works if you have good players in good physical conditions that know how to play with each others. If not your team is going to end up making horizontal passes and not advancing toward the goal and thats when it can be really teadious games. This happened with the spanish national team during the last years
Keep an eye on brazil, there's a coach using tactics similair to tiki taka and I think he just became the national coach.
The way it was beat by Chelsea in the Champions League semifinal in 2012 was to sit back and let them pass themselves to death at their final 3rd... just waiting, defending hard... and then countering as fast as possible whenever they got possession.
After 2012 tiki taka fell in disuse more and more.
American football would have been great if there weren't so many stoppages and breaks. Those of us from the rest of the world can't follow
It's hard to get used too if you grew up not watching it. For me, I'm so used to it that it doesn't really bother me until I watch it live at a game.
The common numbered players are No.1 (goalkeeper) No.6 (defensive midfielder, there may be 2 players, also usually known as a single or double pivot) No.8 (left or right attacking midfielder, 8s can play the 10 role, but are usually biased to one side of the pitch) No.10 (central attacking midfielder/offensive playmaker) and No.9 (striker or centre forward), and less commonly No.7 (winger) and No.2 (central defender). This is from a time when players didn't have their own shirt numbers and the team just had shirts with 1 to 11, where players wore different numbers in each match (up to about 1980s).
To understand the False 9, you might want to understand the True 9. Strikers or Centre Forwards (sometimes there are two of them in a 4-4-2) will seek to occupy the attention of the Central Defenders. And traditionally (True 9) seek to run behind them for through balls, long balls or crosses, so they can be in a one on one situation with the goalkeeper. This is usually referred to as a striker that sits on the shoulders of the defenders (ready to run past them when they lose concentration), or a box striker (who stays in the penalty box). They have to be comfortable playing with their backs to goal (their whole team is behind them) and turn the defenders and burst through. All while having physical battles with the most physically strong players of the opposition team, the central defenders or defensive midfielders.
The False 9 moves towards the midfield (to create the midfield box or diamond). This leaves the Central Defenders with a dilemma, do I follow him, thus opening up more space between my current position and the goalkeeper, or do I let him go, leading to an extra man in midfield. If the midfield is overrun, the defence will be next. Teams with talented wingers have an incentive to use a False 9 to open up space for them to occupy, while overloading the midfield.
Complete Forwards are those that can drop into midfield and facilitate the forward transition, as well as move into the box ready to be at the end of that same attack move while the ball is in the half space or by line.
I'm glad you're getting so into the game. The connection and passion the game allows us to share is priceless and its heartwarming to see ❤️
It's cool to see moment when it clicks for Corey here. For example how this tactic is well suited for pressing, since you'll often have multiple players nearby when you lose the ball.
By the way, many of these Barca players did in fact play together since they were children in the youth academy. Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Pedro, etc.
Guardiola had his 3 P's = play, possession, position
It is about barcelona they invented it and where known to keep position of the ball for the longest time possible and once they lose the ball they do a high press and take it back and they were the first to perfect it you wont watch any team play like that not even Manchester city with Pep ..
Nope, tiki taka is an evolution from Rinus Michels' Total Football. Short quick passes, position replacements, triangles are all Michels' creations.
@@gfer66 Who was Barcelona's Coach at that time therefore invented in Barcelona..
I think Tiki Taka is very skill demanding. I heard Pep´s players were penalized by Pep for touching the ball more than twice. Not sure if true but would not surprise me. Even these top players had to drill it hard, I cannot imagine asking for instance the Czech national team to do that. You cannot do that with average players even on international level. You can see how this tactic was adopted by almost every team and is losely used mainly by the defenders (current Euro shows that pretty well) to get the ball safely out. Some top teams have the skill to use it in offense (quick triangle attacks) but Barcelona´s TikiTaka was clearly on another level. Maximum ball possession play during 100% of game time. I believe it is not feasible without extra high skill level.
There's a certain video on RUclips called “Development of Guardiola's 4v4+3 Juego de Posicion”. I think it excellently illustrates how the positional play principles (behind Tiki-taka) work at their core. You might find it very enlightening
Guys! You should give a chance to South American football, European football is elite, however, nowadays the World Cup champion is Argentina, Olympic champion is Brazil, U20 Champion is Uruguay and U17 Champions is Brazil. The goat are Di Stefano (Argentinian), Pelé, Maradona and Messi. It’s a must to understand football you has been watching just one side of a coin! Copa Libertadores highly recommended ⚽️⚽️⚽️🎉
Imo it wasn't so much Spain's tactic as FCB's, because that whole squad (majority) who've won the world cup played for Barcelona ( minus Messi for obvious reasons - 2009 until 2013)🇿🇦
Johan Cruyff brought Total Football to Barcelona but he didn't invented,that would be Rinus Michels,the father of Total Football.Rinus Michels is the real genius,not Johan.
Luke just thought id explain the numbers and positions to you.
1 Goalkeeper: But this changes all the time doesnt really stick
2 and 3 Right and Left back: Also known as full backs and wing backs but again doesnt really stick for example alexander arnold is 66
4 and 5 centre backs: also known as centre halves
6 defensive midfielder/ holding midfielder
7 right winger
8 centre midfielder/ box to box midfielder
9 striker: false nine just means a striker who plays deeper which allows him to open up space for his teammates
10 Centre attacking midfielder
11 left winger
Again like you probs know most players dont actually wear these numbers on their shirt but its just a way of naming positions. So when you hear a fan say our team needs a 6 then you know they mean a defensive mid
Great to see that you are learning alot id recommend you react to some of James Lawrence Allcotts videos he normally does weekly roundups and breakdowns of what happens in the prem so you get tactics aswell as the overall feelings in the club
Also the positions have mentality overtures...like the 6 is a bulldog, def mid who breaks up the play, 8 is the engine linking everything, 10 the playmaker, 9 the striker
In argentinian football 2 and 6 are the centre halves and 4 and 3 are the right and left back.
Honestly the origin of Tika Taka , is actually 1950's Hungary who used to play a WM formation or 3223. Interestingly Liverpool and Manchester City have been using tactics that use this formation in attacking/possession but revert to 433/4231 in defence.
But anyway, The Hungarian international side of the 50's influenced Michels (Ajax 60's) which is where Johan Cruyff got many of his ideas from. So really its very old (and likely even older than that) but what we see today is a modern version of that.
Its goes in cycles though, and in the 70's and 80's we saw 442 dominate it would not surprise me at all if the next big tactical leap would be a high press 442, with tweaks
As a second comment (around the 10:40 mark):
Something tells me we'll never agree on this. I'm more of a 'Maximise what you do with the possession you have' as opposed to your 'Maximise possession - full stop'
I've watched matches where winning team had barely 35% of the possession. They were far more effective with the possession they had.
*Yeah. As you said about Jose.
As to formations, I like my 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 / 3-4-1-2 (these two preferred).
Speaking of Johan Cruijff, he's knwon for his illustrous comments:
- Every advantage has its disadvantage.-
- If you don't shoot, you won't win.
- You can only see it once you understand it.
- The goal is not you own goal.
- Soccer is a game of errors.
- Soccer is simple.
- It's important not to make an error before doing so.
- If we have possession of the ball, the others can't score.
A man was hired to stop tika taka. Albeit mostly unsuccessful, he showed the world the formula. Sit back, zonal marking and turpedo counter attacks. His name was Jose Mourinho.
Then Jupp Heynckes at Bayern took that inspiration and embarrassed an arguably demotivated Barcelona. Everybody took from those two and since then Barcelona have never been the same. Although it could be blamed on poor management.
TikiTaka, a nightmare. Thomas Muller (at the world cup against Spain) once notably said, “We chased them around so much that when we got the ball, we had no idea what to do” 😂
A few underrated notable possession teams for you to check out: Flamengo, Netherlands, Brazil pre 98, Nigeria 90 - 2000.
And yes, Nigeria. 😊
The classic numbers 1-11 were basically designed for the original 2-3-5 position which was used by very early clubs (back in 1900s). The roster would look something like:
7 - - - 9 - - - 11
8 - - - 10
4 - - 5 - - 6
2 - - - 3
1
Over time, 2 and 3 spread out to become full-backs or wing-backs. 4 and 5 moved into central defense, 6 usually by defensive midfielders. 8 is now used to define box-to-box midfielders (players who will often be going up and down the field to assist with both attack and defense), 7 and 11 became associated with wingers, 9 became associated with the centre forward position, and 10 is for your playmaker/attacking, creative midfielder. 1, of course, has been reserved for goalkeepers.
I loved this video and I have a few things to add.
First, when fútbol fans speak about formations we take the goalkeeper for granted, we say 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, but in modern fútbol we should notice the importance of a goalie that plays with his feet and/or has very good long passing. A goalie like that deserves that the formations get the 1 back at the beginning. The best example of a goalkeeper that does that (sorry for being culer) is Marc André Ter Stegen.
I don't know if you already have a video on goalkeepers but there's a whole world within that position.
Also, in the beginning of this video you say that tiki-taka is not exclusive of Barcelona, and it's true that the spanish national team won 3 thropies in a row playing this style. But the truth is that the style developed through generations in Barcelona (Cruyff in the 90's, Rijkaard and Guardiola after him, and it still goes on nowadays with Xavi) and from that Barcelona team from 2008 to 2012 came the spanish national team. Guardiola was the first coach in modern times to build a first class starting eleven exclusively with players formed in Barça's academy "La Masía", most of them where spanish so they were 70% of spain's starting 11 too. And the other 30% were the goalkeeper, a defender and David Villa, who signed for Barcelona after winning the World Cup.
So, yes, the "tiki-taka" term wasn't created by Andrés Montes narrating a Barcelona game, but that style in those years was created by Guardiola and Barcelona's players at that time, not by the spanish coach or the national team per se.
I could go on commenting about fútbol but it's getting late and younger people don't like reading long raps...
Thanks for your passion, keep it up. Love!
Tiki Taka has pretty much fallen out of favor because it's tedious? :)))) Who is the "clueless american" out of the 2 of you? :)))) Probably the greatest team in football history, the only one that ever won 6 trophies in a year, practiced a tedious style of play??? Jesus, dude ... stop "teaching" clueless people about this sport.
Who else other than Pep's Barca ever played true tiki-taka, at that level? It's a phenomenal style of play IF you have the coach, team and players for it. Pep's Barca from 2009 would still crush 90% of the teams that are playing in 2023!
Tiki - Taka founded by Cryuff who is the legend of beauty football.
The roots of what would develop into tiki-taka began to be implemented by Johan Cruyff during his tenure as manager of Barcelona from 1988 to 1996. The style of play continued to develop under fellow Dutch managers Louis van Gaal and Frank Rijkaard and has been adopted by other La Liga teams.
Really this style dates WAY back beyond Cruyff and "total football". Its origins are probably with the Hungarian national team, with Ferenc Puskas, back in the 50's. They were truly 1 of the greatest teams ever and they completely revolutionised football. One of the first teams to successfully adopt the style and develop it for the club game were the Arthur Rowe and Bill Nicholson Tottenham Hotspur teams of the 50's and 60's when it became known as "Push & Run". Various other teams such as Ajax and the Dutch national team have produced little tweaks and variants on the style as the pace of football picked up over the years and when Cruyff ended up in Spain he really tried to develop it for the "modern" game as "Total Football" (I say "modern" as this was still back in the 1980s/1990s). From there Barcelona really became known for it as "Tiki Taka" once Messi arrived. He is quite small and many early on thought he was "too small", but Barcelona created a team around him of players who were not necessarily the biggest but were quick and agile and really played to Messi's strengths, allowing him to blossom. Having a player like Messi in your team is great, but you need players around him who are at least somwhat on his wavelength to maximise his potential. Other teams, like Argentina or PSG, have not seen the best from him necessarily and part of it is that they have utilised Messi more like a 1 man team, with larger players around him to almost protect him, rather than compliment him (at least that is my totally unresearched theory) and, combined with added pressure and expectation, he has often flattered to deceive in those teams
"Tiki Taka in a nutshell" is basically avoiding 1:1 dribblings but instead playing short passes quick and permanentally from one side of the pitch to the other and back again till the opponent is so confused (mentally tired) that he forgets to cover all open spaces.
Not everyone can play that because you need very exremely ball skilled players who can play one touch football blindly with extreme precision..
The "false 9" is a midfielder - he is no foward - BUT he switches back and forth from his midfield position into a forward position in order to score goals as like as a forward therefore called "false 9" because he is no forward.
About the numbers 1-11 = the "classic set up" which is defining the position of the player on the pitch and in the squad
1 = goalie
2, 3, 4, (5) = defense line
6 = defensiv midfielder positioned central direct upfront the defense line
(5) 7, 8 = midfielder (if 5 in midfield then defensive supporting the 6)
9 forward
10 creativ offensiv midfielder/playmaker/pacemaker controlling the rhythm of the game/the link between midfield and the forwards = the best player of the squad = to get to wear the Nr 10 was an honour and a responsibility
11 forward
that is the socalled classic "starting eleven" and all numbers above were in the "classic set up" the "bench players/substitutes" and not good enough to be in the starting eleven...but if those players improved their game then they got a starting eleven number, the squad/players had to fight for those starting eleven numbers in training.
For over more than 100 years that was "the classic set up".
Today players choose random numbers but those aren´t connected to their position on the pitch or in the squad. So today they often wear random numbers but the position on the pitch is still defined with the "classic set up number" = "He plays a Nr 6 or a Nr 9 or what ever from 2-11.
That´s because today´s teams have equal skilled players for the same position which was not the case in the past..because in the past (at least in Europe) the teams were just allowed to have 3 foreign players on the pitch during a match = at least 8 players on the pitch had to be domestic players (= today´s whole Premier League would have been illegal in the past)...and that was valid till the early 90ties....
Barcelona + Athletic Bilboa from their beginning till the late 80ties were extreme because being just Spanish was no criteria for them, Barcelona self-imposed to have just Catalans + just a handful foreign players who fought for 3 vacant positions on the pitch, and Bilbao self imposed played only with Basques in their team..that had political reasons both regions Catalonia and the Basque region wanted always independence from Spain (still to this day)
barcelona also perfectioned the pressing tactics...search some of that in video, they were just amazing on that. and also on the stamina subject, they were all great.
hi guys, im from Argentina and love futbol since my mum s woomb XD
fascinating chat!
i could add some things:
- numbers dont matter anymore, but since the old days theres a standard in the positions and the numbers (wont get in details) but nowadays youll see like the number 32 is in the field , so wtf right? i dosnt matter... what matters is the position
- all press is really hard to acomplish, actually nobody does that cause players run 90 minutes, dont forget that, is not american football, theres no pause in futbol, and only 10 min in half time
the players pressing in the opponent field are the same players that do the tiki taka or move all the time to find spaces, pay attention to playeres when they dont have the ball (Di Maria is speciallist in this thing), they move around to confuse defence and open spaces to other players in that hole where the defendor should be
- tiki taka IS tedious, but for the opposite team! you having the ball and passing it around is fun as hell, and also youll see the other team confused as fuck and tired of running around doind the ring around the roses, the moment they get frustrated (and they will EVERYTIME) youll se the defendors not running in the triangle, but just standind waiting for the pass (mostly just holding the off side rule), and theres is the over-the-head pass or a pass behind their backs (Messi is amazing passing this ones) or a pass a little longer for the attackers
- false 9 is a very old tactic (not even from this century), the player in the box, but steping out of it waiting to CREATE, not necessarily in the box waiting to strike to goal (like Suarez, Ibrahimovic, Muller, Salah, etc). the 4-3-3 becomes a 4-4-2 with those 2 players in the offense closing in to the box to get closer to the other to pass the ball and open some spaces (C. Ronaldo is in these 2, he is not like Messi in possitioning... or SKILL XDXDXD)
Other amazing false 9: Wayne Rooney , Carlos Tevez, Van Persie, James Rodriguez
CLUELESS AMERICAN all love , false nine, striker is it a nine or a ten??? I still don't understand the numbers hahahah false nine (the whole point of the strategy, false striker) and Messi very rarely played as a false nine. A 'number 10' is the team's primary playmaker, operating in a free role between the midfield and the forwards. They lead the team's attack using their excellent vision, control and passing range to dictate the play.
then came José Mourinho saying we don't care about keeping the ball, as the matter in fact, you can keep the ball, i'm still going to win, and so he did, and he has all the trophies to prove it, one of the best coaches of all time.