Dear Sean, Others have talked to Sandy Munro but you actually get the most information and food for for thought from your interviews. Thank you for your great work. I learned alot from this conversation.
What a pleasure to listen to Sandys opinion as opposed to all the less qualified dribble out there. Well done for getting him on again really enjoyed that. Excellent!
Great show. I believe that Cybertruck orders are in excess of 400,000 now. I think that Sandy is underestimating the appeal to older guys and traditional pickup truck owners. I'm 70 and ordered a 2 motor Cybertruck on day 1. Ordered a 1 motor version a couple days later too. My neighbor is 72 and is a lifelong Ford truck guy. He currently has a gas F150 and a diesel F250. He ordered a 2 motor Cybertruck. Last week my 50 year old daughter ordered one. She loves the look. The stainless steel body is perfect for us in ice-snow-salt country. So is the up to 16" ground clearance and AWD. The Cybertruck will outlast any vehicle that's been made up to this time. So I'm buying 2 and leaving them to 2 of my kids or maybe a grandson. Safer, relatively trouble free, "do most everything" transportation with state of the art constantly upgrading driver assistance. Not to mention that it'll eventually be self driving. It's a pickup truck with a weatherproof locking bed. It's a 6 person SUV with a huge cargo capacity. It's cost effective to drive and good for our planet. Is there a different option?
The word is group think. Not the people that like the cyber truck but the incumbent back patting car makers. They only do what the others do. Elon thinks for himself
i wondered what the old folks were thinking about the model, for us the 20s it looks cool and powerful, having no paint is a plus too, and is weirdly cheaper
He offroads and is a reverse engineering expert? You scored a knockout interview! Great insight. *edit* Also almost forgot to say thank you Sandy for your insight!
It would be fun to stick in the first bit of video where Sandy was interviewed on Autoline about Tesla and was fairly negative. Then he took a ride and he backed off some of his doubt. And some video from the initial part of the teardown when he was very critical of the body work followed by a very large change in attitude once he and his people started close inspection of the 'guts' of the car. "Auto teardown expert Sandy Munro, who once said the Tesla Model 3’s shoddy fit and finish reminded him of a Kia from the 1990s, this week admitted the car is the most profitable electric sedan he’s ever tested, with a roughly 30 percent gross margin. “I have to eat crow,” Munro said on an episode of Autoline published Monday. “I didn’t think it was going to happen this way, but the Model 3 is profitable.”" www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/07/17/sandy-munro-tesla-model-3-teardown-profit-tsla.html Sandy has earned a huge amount of respect from me because he looks critically and then adjusts his attitude when he gets additional information.
The Munro company does teardowns and tech evaluations. It may be a good idea for Tesla to put off the inevitable teardown or too-close inspection until well after deliveries start.
@@bobsampson5122 Car companies don't control when Munro does their teardowns. Munro gets their cars via normal purchases and Sandy has said he's working to get a Model Y as soon as possible. Munro tears down cars, not for their manufacturer, but for the competition. Other companies want to know as soon as possible what their competition has brought to market. I'd like to see Munro do a quick follow up on the Model 3. I'd think they'd be able to do a visual inspection of some just delivered cars for the fit and finish stuff. And they could probably put a recent model up on a rack to see if Tesla has made changes in number of separate parts and fasteners.
Nope it was a .50 bullet in a 50 BMG case. If it had powder and a primer it would be considered a live round. A bullet is only as dangerous as the power that drives it. The 50 BMG is an old design still used to day because of the big bullet that can be both amour piercing and explosive.
The only "Wat?" moment I had was when he said the wiring harness bit, about how it MIGHT BE just power lines with Bluetooth tech doing the actual data movement... and all I could think about is some crank laughing down the highway in an older truck with a powered up Bluetooth jammer in the box. Surprising that he'd say this too, as in a previous video he said that the new wiring harness is probably data-duplex cables (which has been used in avionics and other machines for a while, but not cars). Duplexing cables makes way more sense than Bluetooth.
Most important aspect of 200,000 deposits is: Those 200,000 guys are not gonna buy some other truck in the next two years, high probability. Lost sales for the legacy type pick em up...
@@jameswebb5080 James I have two trailers 1. a 10K pound dump trailer, as long as it can move it a 100 mile round trip I should be fine. I also have a 12 spot kayak trailer and as that doesn't really affect the mpg of my truck I don't see an issue with the cyber truck. I just need to see additional charging in Newfoundland for when I made trips into Canada....
@@kayak_1 I don't think 100 miles will be a problem. I have an F-350 that use for hauling Blueberries for about 4 weeks during harvest, but it has a 460 gas engine and is not the most fuel efficient. I was thinking of going electric, but I saw a video of the Model X towing and it really killed the range. I would like to have 200 miles to handle the longest trip I'm likely to make. I'm in Nova Scotia, but my mother is from Newfoundland (St. Anthony), haven't been there in 10 years so I don't know what the charging situation is like.
@@jameswebb5080 I haven't been to Newfoundland in two years, but plughshare doesn't have a lot of charging spots. I am thinking of keeping my Tundra around as it can plow. It would be ideal to be all-electric and be back to a two car house.
Sean, your interviews with Sandy are becoming a Discovery Channel quality content. Seriously dude, the amount on info you two share in these videos is mindboggling. Sandy has seen so much and just because he is that old haha he has so much knowledge acquired during his lifetime. Awesome work Sean!
00:00:30 What do you think about the Cybertruck and did you order one? 00:03:01 Does the Cybertruck have stealth properties? 00:04:07 Is there a difference between a uni-body and exoskeleton? 00:06:56 Why is body-on-frame such a popular way to build trucks? 00:09:15 What type of chassis did the DeLorean have? 00:10:12 How can Tesla pull from SpaceX technology? 00:19:43 Will the Cybertruck be more cost effective to produce than their other vehicles? 00:22:05 How will the Cybertuck do in a crash? 00:24:12 Does this new manufacturing approach address some of your Tesla build quality concerns? 00:27:26 Is there some magic with a $40,000 Cybertruck? 00:34:21 What are some things that appeal to you about the off-road capabilities? 00:37:03 What are Ford, GM, and Chrysler saying about the Cybertruck in their boardrooms?
Great interview. Nice to hear from an expert in Munro other than people like that De Muro guy (I that's his name) who had no idea. One of the more interesting things Munro said was when he mentioned about keeping an eye on the opposition. A lot of people are scratching their heads as to why Elon chose Germany for Gigafactory 4. I smiled when it was announced because i was taught as a boy to keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I believe Elon may have the same philosophy and intends to shake the tree big time on the German competitors. As for the CT i wish Elon would release a smaller more petite model. Make it the same style as CT but more appropriate for those outside of the US. Finally im so excited about the forthcoming Battery Day in March. I feel that will be a day in history and put Tesla even further ahead. For legacy manufacturing it will be like the Road Runner and the Coyote. Others left with jaws on the ground.
Great interview, I agree about the "some truck enthusiasts" being closed minded. As a tradesman and long time truck owner I put in a reservation immediately. Of course being in California and a LRDM3 owner I'm so aware of the superiority of Tesla technology first hand. They don't make junk, mistakes yes, and corrected asap. My experience with the constant updates to my car for free has never been a thing. Bought my first new 4x4 back in 85. 3 new f series in the 2000, 2003 & 2006. Worked on cars or trucks all my life. This is the first truck being built to last 3 generations ever. Beem me up scotty.
adam aardvark You are a spiteful loser. The fact that you sifted through this whole comment section just to dismiss people’s comments as fiction is evidence enough. Is my story cool, bro?
Sandy is full of wisdom and deep knowledge. It's such a pleasure to watch this format. Sean, great job of interviewing. I would love to watch this format every quarter
First I'd like to say thank you Sandy Monroe for meeting with Sean and giving us your opinion! Sean thanks for hooking us up! Second, it is always great to hear Sandy's opinion on Tesla, this is the man that everyone should be listening to and not just about Tesla, you know he knows his Sh*t! For Christ's sake, his company is an independent company that contracts for the defense department. It's unreal that the mainstream media doesn't listen to this man. Hell, the reason his company isn't in the media more often is because most of the sh*t they work on is top secret, whether it's for the defense department or any other company it's still top secret.
He Is a very intelligent man and he gave me something’s to think about because of his different way of seeing and evaluating the Cybertruck, great video!
I really enjoyed this one. You are both calm, rational, and that makes for an interesting conversation. I think hearing Sandy speak would make a lot of the "diehards" start thinking more seriously about not only the Cybertruck, but EVs in general, and that's a great thing. He doesn't come off as ideological or fanboy-ish at all, or any of the other criticisms that anti-Tesla/EV people tend to resort to.
I'm glad those really smart people from NASA got laid off, and can now build the future instead of being locked up in bureaucracy and obsolete jobs programs.
Munroe's observations are such a breath of fresh air. He simply looks at the design from a very wide angle, including things like upfront production costs, ignores all the babble and gives a balanced assessment.
Never have been interested in vehicles but find myself sitting, absolutely riveted, everytime, to Sandy Munroe interviews. Thanks for taking the time Sean, to go all that way to do these interviews. Your interviewing style Sean, would give many a professional TV journalist a run for their money; and many of them have had academic/professional training. Your interviews are never dull.
Well - I listened VERY carefully and I have a LOT of respect for Sandy Munro.. He hit almost every aspect to this truck and the THREAT it represents to the big three. The cost savings in structure (one structure not three of bed, cab and frame), paint, production equipment and tooling - he KNOWS cost and what it takes to build a product and I agree completely. If the others don't wake up and change gears REAL quickly... the most profitable line of their business is going to go Tesla's way.. He has respect for Musk and Monro knows material science... this is a very accurate assessment of why the Tesla truck is going to dominate and deliver value..
Most excellent interview, Sean! A lot to digest; it will be worth another watching! A few initial takeaways and thoughts (as one who owned pickups for over 30 years before getting a Model 3): A) Sandy is dead-on how handy both the kneeling aspect and the segmented tailgate ramp should prove out to be. I once had to load a motorcycle into the bed of a Nissan truck I once owned; it was no easy feat. I've also been in the position of tending lawns between two houses with one lawn mower; loading/unloading that thing was a chore. B) The Model 3 electric motor. My own car is a long range rear wheel drive, 8/2018 build. I'm continually amazed and impressed by its efficiency and power! Which has only gotten better since I took delivery of the car. C) The lethargy of the legacy automakers toward this truck. Some might view it as indifference or outright scoffing, but in the end I think it will prove out to be lethargy, which unfortunately - as Sandy notes - has been a dark side of the "legacy" of our legacy OEMs. I remember the days, although I was very young, when GM had over 50% market share in the US. 51%! Nobody has achieved that high of a slice since; it was GM's to lose. And lost it they did, largely due to hubris and lethargy.
Sandy’s views on Tesla’s M3 electric motor and battery technology as compared to others Munro has tested was very insightful. I enjoyed his example of loading a deer or moose into the bed. His description is often what is done today. I wish they both had discussed battery technology and range in more depth as it applies to off-roading, hunting and other outdoor sports. Both sports occur throughout the year in all types of weather and temperatures. More discussion on realistic ranges is needed. Especially given that parking any BEV at a trailhead, boat ramp, or cabin for hours or even overnight without the ability to plug into any power source at low temperatures is a common occurrence for someone who enjoys snow machines or hunting. There are real world conditions for those who enjoy the outdoors frequently where the useable range is realistically less than half the advertised range. Sandy’s observations that the tailgate ramp was not unique was also something that needed to be said. His experience with aftermarket ramps is not unique although more secure options exist. I would have liked his assessment of the orientation of the T slots on the ramp for loading purposes as well as the number of T slots in the bed, on the tailgate, and ramp. ATVs are almost never as clean as the on stage demo. Wet, muddy or even snowy/icy ramps and ATV tires is more the norm. Without any grip/traction bars on the ramp loading could still be challenging even with the rear air bags lowered. Mounting a traction bar accessory to T slots in the ramp might be an option but it would have to be added once the ramp is deployed and removed before the ramp could be stowed inside the tailgate. Cleaning the T slots of mud, gravel, sand, ice, etc... will also present a challenge. Clogged T slots could prevent accessories from being installed. Given that there are 12 slots in the bed, tailgate, and ramps... 6.5’ bed + 3.5’ of tailgate and ramp (maybe more) is 10’ lineal feet of T slot. That’s 120 lineal feet (1,440 lineal inches) of T slots to clean! Not a problem if you never haul wood, gravel, mulch, etc... or load muddy, snowy ATVs in the bed. But if you do... cleaning will become tedious. Cleaning the bed of truck shouldn’t take more than a couple of minutes with a broom, blower, or hose. Brooms and blowers aren’t going to dislodge crushed angular gravel and sand. A air or water hose might do better but is still going to take time to clean 120 lineal feet of track. I like that Sandy shared that he has a jeep and goes off-roading to relax. There are many levels and forms of off-roading. Many involve water that can sometimes enter the cab. Most late model vehicles can’t handle water inside the cab. Too much electronics under seats and dash along with carpets and liners. Even going with the carpet delete option doesn’t solve the problems. Older jeeps, land cruisers, rovers, didn’t have as much issue with water as today’s counterparts. Personally, I’d love to see Tesla offer a version of the truck that can handle water and mud in the cab and basically be hosed out after use. Seeing a stainless steel interior rather than carpet, faux leather door panels and roof liners, etc... would look awesome. I don’t need 16 speaker surround sound. I’d rather have secure mounting locations for removable waterproof blue tooth speakers (all synced) with wireless charging. If one craps out or gets damaged... just buy a new (better) one for $50. No pulling door or dash panels. The same is true for the display. It needs a secure mounting system for crash purposes and would need a water resistant/proof case. If it breaks or dies just unbolt the surface mounts and replace it. Having to hire a tech and pay $3000 to $4500 to replace a dead screen or upgrade to new tech is too old school. We need a version of the CyberTruck that is Ruggedized and easily updated or moded using factory or aftermarket offerings. A lot of the current design accomplishes just that. But Tesla can go further. I want to be able to load up after duck hunting and not have to worry about how much mud my buddies or dogs are going to bring inside the truck. A couple of retrievers shaking the mud, ice, and water off inside a truck after a hunt is brutal on every surface inside a vehicle. Especially perforated speaker covers and seat covers. Just like Tesla has earned the right to brag about crash tests and 0-60 performance... I’d love to see Tesla earn some bragging rights in performance under extreme use, temperatures, and abuse. One extreme abuse test could be loading a couple of retrieves inside after a morning of duck hunting in typical montana/idaho/wyoming (wet, cold, snowy, icy, muddy) conditions and letting them have at it. Sandy is correct. Scuffs and Scratches will be a statement of, “yep, I really do use my truck!”. I have a friend who takes every new truck he buys through the brush to knock the new off it. The sooner you get some pinstripes from brush the sooner you stop worrying about the shine. CyberTruck is meant for guys like this.
Sandy Munro is better than 99% of those clueless automotive analysts out there. I did not know about those NASA engineers. SpaceX and Tesla hit the jackpot there.
Sean, you can never go wrong with having Sandy on your show. Let's get him on more often to discuss all topics of interest. He's an expert in all facets of transportation...
We are getting rid of our GMC Sierra Dually 3500 series 4X4 and replacing it with the Tri-motor CyberTruck. Purely based on running costs and repairs we will save a ton of money, plus the ride quality and almost dent-proof body will keep our costs down. Now I just have to get through the next 18 months to two years before delivery.
Citroen had an amazing hydraulic suspension system - auto load levelling, rear squat, anti roll in bends and variable ride height. The springs were N2 gas pressure. spheres. The same mineral hydraulic system powered the brakes and the steering. Big win was no internal corrosion of brakes. Very handy on an EV that minimally uses the brakes. The whole lot was non electronic. Lots of stuff to modernise.
Good discussion. Sandy sidestepped what happens in a crash a little bit though, but he had a fair point. I really can't wait to see the Cybertruck being run through crashes at the IIHS.
3.2mm plate will still buckle readily. The radius of gyration is about 0.9mm, meaning any panel length buckle instead of yield for lengths longer than about 1.8mm which is tiny. The whole sledge hammer thing is was cute parlour trick. The force of impact in a collision is multiple orders of magnitude higher - the truck will buckle absorbing energy and adding to deceleration time/distance.
@@danwhiffen9235 The sledgehammer wasn't meant to represent real crashes. The point was that it doesn't get damaged as easily as traditional body panels. Most damage is caused by small bumps at very low speeds, mostly during parking.
András Bíró I agree that the sledge hammer thing was not intended to demonstrate vehicle collisions, but it seems a lot of people who haven’t worked in dynamic structural analysis or impact mechanics are wrongly inferring the vehicle is some kind of super tank. It was a great marketing move that got press. The location which Franz struck the door was very intentional, mid span (mid panel) affording the maximum energy absorption through elastic deflection. I don’t think it was a dead blow hammer which others have speculated, but a rubber coated steel sledge to minimize the likelihood or scratching or gouging.
Brilliant and kudos to Sean for getting these insights from Sandy. Sean conducts Sandy Munro interview on Wednesday. Tesla stock opens at $380. Two days later stock sets record at $405. Talk about sticking it to the Short Sellers! There was a similar jump after Jack Rickard's detailed analysis of the Cybertruck. I wonder if Sandy and Jack have ever got together to shoot the breeze? Can imagine them on a hunting trip together and bagging a Moose. They could even have power tools on board to process the carcass plus power for a quick freeze of the meat.
As Sandy says, 3mm is about 1/8". An entire body made out of 1/8" Stainless steel is HEAVY. ' He also correctly points out that stamping stainless that thick into curves like you see in a lot of modern cars is practically impossible. So the relatively simple...though futuristic...shape is a product of the decision to use the exoskeleton.
Sean, I enjoy your talks with mr Munro a lot. That said, I find your questions a bit too leading in terms of putting tesla in a positive light. Granted, we're all fans here, myself included, but I want to hear Sandy Munro's completely unbiased opinion. Keep it up, love the show!
Great interview Sean! One question I would be interested in asking Munro in a follow up is: how will the exoskeleton design hold up when towing heavy loads? How much of a risk is there of bending the exoskeleton, and what would happen in that case? I've had a few discussions with people who wonder if you try to tow too much that it might bend the exoskeleton and cause all sorts of issues (like not being able to open the doors, etc). My guess is that Tesla is over-engineering for that use case, but it would be interesting to hear the perspective from someone like Munro on that question. The other question is, if people attach aftermarket things to the truck (like a rack or a winch) and they do that by drilling holes in the frame to mount it, would that compromise the structural integrity of the exoskeleton frame? Again, I would guess that if the mounting holes are small, it shouldn't be an issue, but it would be interesting to hear Munro's perspective on that.
I have been driving F150s for the past 20 years and I am going to get the Cybertruck and get rid of the Ford. I am sure there will be many others that do the same.
Great interview Sean. Sandy and his company are a wealth of information and are the experts in what they do. There is no bull sh*t, just facts from tearing down and evaluating the product.
I wish you'd delved more deeply into the damage repair procedure for the exoskeleton. New vehicles may cause less accidents with new tech but there will be a lot of older ones that won't be as safe.
David Coltman the damage repair procedures for the exoskeleton as Ramon Punsalang mentioned are not as simple as just cut and weld. I’m not sure the used cybertruck market or insurance companies are willing to let any guy or gal with Plasma Torch and a TIG or MIG welder just go at it. At some point repairs and welds will need certification indicating that all repairs to the truck maintain the same safety level/ratings as it did when it was new off the factory floor. Poor/contaminated welds or cutting and adding sections improperly could greatly impact the overall structure. Not an insurmountable problem. Just something that needs to be dealt with. So, like Ramon, I wish they would have addressed this in the video.
@@trouthunter22 I never said just anyone could do it. I was more referring to the fact that they won't have to spend thousands in paint. Also won't probably have to replace the whole panels.
The built in Ramp in the tail gate plus the height adjustable suspension are big things to me as a motorcycle enthusiast. It’s a no brainer.... This truck is awesome capabilities wise.
When the F150 came out, I said this is the truck that’s 2 years ahead of the competition. But when Sandy started describing the cybertruck, I said this product is more than 5 years ahead of the competition. Everything that Sandy reveals about the product is a revelation to me. 200,000 pre orders at $100 per order says a lot about the product. When I dropped my 100 bucks for a preorder, I feel as though I was dropping my money in a raffle box with one huge exception - I am going to win 100% of the time. I have nothing to lose. Even if I don’t have enough cash to buy the product when I finally received the news that it is on its way for delivery God knows when, I know with 100% certainty that the product would be grabbed by a friend who would happily refund my 100 bucks with 100% gain.
Those 42+ minutes shot by. Always interesting to hear Sandy Munro. I think you've stolen him from Autoline After-hours, because they still have the attitude of "that thing's gonna do nuthin".
@@simoc24 That's true, but they are late to the game, and they still think that nobody will ever make money from EVs, whereas it's plain as a pikestaff that Tesla does.
Great interview Sean. And yes collision avoidance will only get better and better. We have two years to watch and learn how they’ll dial in the truck - aero, various features, and perhaps different lift-gate options. Thank you!
U.K. pioneered diesel electric rail locos that used ac traction motors. Until then they’d all been dc. The power converters had to handle 3000HP yet incidentally had the frequency response of a PA system. The motors had switchable coils so could be set to a range of synchronous speeds. The biggest breakthrough was their stall capacity. Bear with me - Coal trains carried 1000 tons in 30 wagons. So expect the train to weigh A LOT more. At the unloading hoppers the whole train had to move at 0.5 mph which put huge strain on the traction motors. The variable frequency drive was set so low you could hear the motors pulsing. The loco 3000hp diesel would be working hard to avoid stalling. I wonder if this technology could be updated for electric car traction motors. Maybe it is but well worth a look.
A traditional ladder frame also offers a lot of torsional flexibility which allows more wheel travel, better tire contact in rough twisty off roading but also makes them sloppier handling on the road. With a rigid frame, today that's a unibody, plus exceptional individual wheel travel and adaptive suspension you can have it both ways. I can't remember the last time I was shot at while driving let alone a 50 cal. Doors that heavy are going to be a liability and fenders 'n' frunk lid??...how are those going to crush in an impact?
That’s a very good balance: wisdom and experience, represented by Munro and the new way of broadcasting info, represented in the video by Sean. VERY, VERY good video! Insightful in many ways! Cheers!
@@AllThingsEV probably better to make it a thing when needed (like a new launch or after his Y teardown or even if he's had a taycan to "play" with, or after the battery/drive train investor day).
Insightful interview, Sean. Maybe you've already addressed - is it a foregone conclusion Ctrk will similarly have the radically reduced amount of wiring Sandy in previous convo said Model Y will have?
Sandy is a marvel. I am really glad you had hin on. As a part-time farmer, I see the utility of the Cybbertruck. It is a very tough-looking tractor. Maybe it could be remotely.controlled ?
I wonder what Mr. Munro's opinion is about the Cybertruck being classified as a medium duty (Class 2b). With that classification the true competition is Ford F250, Ram 2500, and Silverado 2500. The Cybertruck specs don't look as impressive when compared to these trucks. Being a medium duty also means not having to provide battery range because traditional mpg certification isn't required. Also IIHS doesn't currently crash test medium duty trucks. I believe a mid-size Cybertruck would have more impact on the market than it's current form.
Looking forward to a follow-up once the truck has been out and Munro got their hands on it to take it apart. Same for when the Model Y has come out. Interesting to see which kinds of lessons Tesla learned or didn't learn and how quickly.
There's one important question that you forgot to ask Sandy. And the reason why he's well-known in the first place. What would be his biggest critiques of the truck? This is important because the truck isn't in production yet, so it can still be improved in ways that would be impossible after the production starts.
Depends on the success of the Cybertruck and how it changes or perspective on vehicles. The Model S and even more Model 3 big tablet and no buttons interior design was radical and controversial too, and now it's slowly becoming the standard, at least for EVs. I can see happening the same with the Cybertruck's design. Even more because personal car ownership is going away, and if I don't own the car I care much less about how it looks. If cars aren't used for self-expression and as a status symbol, this is new design makes much more sense, as functionality and cost becomes more important than a fancy design.
If it really allows the cars to be built (as the truck is) with price parity vs ICE vehicles, they would stupid not to make a lower priced line of cars. A sedan or CUV with 200 miles of range at $20-25k would be the ICE killer.
39:25 you really got him with the chicken tax haha. I think it's fascinating to hear that even in 2019 there are senior executives in traditional automobile manufacturers still ignoring what Tesla is doing and using the old age 'you don't need a car you just need a faster horse' argument. I would have thought it's clear by the market segment Tesla is obtaining, that Internal combustion is outdated and people do want innovative designs
Porsche is using EV battery Adapted from Consumer Electronics and Laptops, Tesla uses a Custom formulation of LION and in a Metal Canister. the Other EV battery are of Inferior Design to the Tesla battery.
The Porsche has a higher charge rate into a larger battery but has less range (just over 200 miles) than the equivalent performance Model 3. It’s also MUCH more expensive.
@@Dave5843-d9m - the Biggest issue with Existing pickup and Truck Windscreen is CRACKED Windscreens. Legally you can be Stopped by PD or H. Patrol, for a cracked screen and are subject to a Fixit Ticket. However, Commerical Truck Drivers can get their TRUCK Removed from Service, for a cracked windscreen. the Cybertruck screen is made of a Tougher version of the Side Armor Glass. having a Front Windscreen that is Resistant to Stones and Baseball Hail will be Safer than ANY Current Pickups and Commerical Trucks. and WILL save Money in the LONG RUN. TESLA Transparent Metal glass will also be on the TESLA Semi as well.
I’m 69, roofing contractor & have owned numerous trucks...I ordered a tri motor CyberTruck that night...Will be selling my 2003 Tundra & keeping my 95 NSX..
So the Cybertruck is a stealth truck after all, cause big three dismiss this as not a threat 🤣🤣🤣 while Tesla flies under the radar, they will hit them hard!
You really think so? I am not so sure. Those guys in Ford and GM may be arrogant, but no fool. I assume they saw the price tag of 39,900 must shake them up pretty good. But I can be wrong of course. Sandy will know better than I do...however I think these CEOs has finally learned to take Elon Musk seriously
If you are referring to full size pickup price. Most of us out here drive midsized pickups because of price and just don't need a full size pickup to make trips to Lowes or haul gardening equipment over to the church's garden.
It like a cat caught looking into the headlights of a car about to hit it on a dark night. Or watching a train wreck about to happen. You know it will turn out bad, but you are frozen and you can't look away! The Big Three, are still living in Denial! The evidence? I hear you ask........................... They really have put a "half-hearted attempt in catching Tesla or providing some relevant competition. This tells me they are frozen. They have been hooked on the sweet ride of fossil fuels for so long, that their brains have lost the ability to imagine new technologies or possibilities. They are frozen,, helpless,, till they die!
One of the things that the Cybertruck is doing is having a sales argument for many different niches. Combine all those niches and you have a mass market product. Plus it comes with gadgets that people may not always need, but definitely want.
1 on 1 with Munro is way better. He deserves your full attention.
And then 1 on 1 with the other guy
sandy is lying. very badly indeed.
@@papalegba6759 What is he lying about?
here we go, the blackhat marketing shills descend using their scraper algos...
adam aardvark 🙄
Dear Sean,
Others have talked to Sandy Munro but you actually get the most information and food for for thought from your interviews. Thank you for your great work. I learned alot from this conversation.
True, he also was in e for electric but I have no idea what he was talking about there (and yes I did watch it ;) )
Well said
What a pleasure to listen to Sandys opinion as opposed to all the less qualified dribble out there. Well done for getting him on again really enjoyed that. Excellent!
Always learn something when listening to Sandy. Thx for bringing him on the channel.
thanks for watching.
Agreed. An extraordinarily interesting man to listen to.
Great show. I believe that Cybertruck orders are in excess of 400,000 now. I think that Sandy is underestimating the appeal to older guys and traditional pickup truck owners. I'm 70 and ordered a 2 motor Cybertruck on day 1. Ordered a 1 motor version a couple days later too. My neighbor is 72 and is a lifelong Ford truck guy. He currently has a gas F150 and a diesel F250. He ordered a 2 motor Cybertruck. Last week my 50 year old daughter ordered one. She loves the look. The stainless steel body is perfect for us in ice-snow-salt country. So is the up to 16" ground clearance and AWD. The Cybertruck will outlast any vehicle that's been made up to this time. So I'm buying 2 and leaving them to 2 of my kids or maybe a grandson. Safer, relatively trouble free, "do most everything" transportation with state of the art constantly upgrading driver assistance. Not to mention that it'll eventually be self driving. It's a pickup truck with a weatherproof locking bed. It's a 6 person SUV with a huge cargo capacity. It's cost effective to drive and good for our planet. Is there a different option?
The word is group think.
Not the people that like the cyber truck but the incumbent back patting car makers. They only do what the others do.
Elon thinks for himself
i wondered what the old folks were thinking about the model, for us the 20s it looks cool and powerful, having no paint is a plus too, and is weirdly cheaper
@@Dota2funny I'll tell you when I get old. ;-)
Seriously, I've been waiting for something like this since Star Trek first aired in 1966.
Cool story bro, changed my life.
lol just no. what astounding lies this comment section is filled with.
He offroads and is a reverse engineering expert? You scored a knockout interview! Great insight.
*edit*
Also almost forgot to say thank you Sandy for your insight!
"If you stack the desk with geniuses you're gonna win"
SpaceX and Tesla are the #1 and #2 pick for engineering school grads. Elon has first round pick of the engineering talent pool.
"If you stack the deck with geniuses, you're gonna win." 11:24
"Back patting frenzie " This guy is genius
Hmmm...didn't work for Nikola Tesla...
@@billcichoke2534 but he won
Sandy needs an invite to the next unveiling. Sounds like he’s becoming a Tesla fan.
It would be fun to stick in the first bit of video where Sandy was interviewed on Autoline about Tesla and was fairly negative. Then he took a ride and he backed off some of his doubt.
And some video from the initial part of the teardown when he was very critical of the body work followed by a very large change in attitude once he and his people started close inspection of the 'guts' of the car.
"Auto teardown expert Sandy Munro, who once said the Tesla Model 3’s shoddy fit and finish reminded him of a Kia from the 1990s, this week admitted the car is the most profitable electric sedan he’s ever tested, with a roughly 30 percent gross margin.
“I have to eat crow,” Munro said on an episode of Autoline published Monday. “I didn’t think it was going to happen this way, but the Model 3 is profitable.”"
www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/07/17/sandy-munro-tesla-model-3-teardown-profit-tsla.html
Sandy has earned a huge amount of respect from me because he looks critically and then adjusts his attitude when he gets additional information.
Sandy seems to be a call it as he see type of guy; gives an honest opinion and isn't ashamed to change his views as time goes on.
The Munro company does teardowns and tech evaluations. It may be a good idea for Tesla to put off the inevitable teardown or too-close inspection until well after deliveries start.
@@bobsampson5122 Car companies don't control when Munro does their teardowns. Munro gets their cars via normal purchases and Sandy has said he's working to get a Model Y as soon as possible. Munro tears down cars, not for their manufacturer, but for the competition. Other companies want to know as soon as possible what their competition has brought to market.
I'd like to see Munro do a quick follow up on the Model 3. I'd think they'd be able to do a visual inspection of some just delivered cars for the fit and finish stuff. And they could probably put a recent model up on a rack to see if Tesla has made changes in number of separate parts and fasteners.
@@bobwallace9753 What did I say to the contrary of anything you added?
You know the conversation is serious when the man pulls out a .50 bullet from his pocket
LOL. Only in America. Americans are so casual about ammo and guns.
Nope it was a .50 bullet in a 50 BMG case. If it had powder and a primer it would be considered a live round. A bullet is only as dangerous as the power that drives it. The 50 BMG is an old design still used to day because of the big bullet that can be both amour piercing and explosive.
Killing it, Sean. I’ve been wanting to hear Sandy on these topics for a while now
Thanks
Thank you Sandy Munro for making yourself available to share your insights into Tesla's products! Much appreciated!
The only "Wat?" moment I had was when he said the wiring harness bit, about how it MIGHT BE just power lines with Bluetooth tech doing the actual data movement... and all I could think about is some crank laughing down the highway in an older truck with a powered up Bluetooth jammer in the box. Surprising that he'd say this too, as in a previous video he said that the new wiring harness is probably data-duplex cables (which has been used in avionics and other machines for a while, but not cars). Duplexing cables makes way more sense than Bluetooth.
Most important aspect of 200,000 deposits is: Those 200,000 guys are not gonna buy some other truck in the next two years, high probability. Lost sales for the legacy type pick em up...
I am no longer looking at picking up an F350. The 500 mile range has done it for me.
@@kayak_1 What kind of range when towing or carrying a load?
@@jameswebb5080 James I have two trailers 1. a 10K pound dump trailer, as long as it can move it a 100 mile round trip I should be fine. I also have a 12 spot kayak trailer and as that doesn't really affect the mpg of my truck I don't see an issue with the cyber truck. I just need to see additional charging in Newfoundland for when I made trips into Canada....
@@kayak_1 I don't think 100 miles will be a problem. I have an F-350 that use for hauling Blueberries for about 4 weeks during harvest, but it has a 460 gas engine and is not the most fuel efficient. I was thinking of going electric, but I saw a video of the Model X towing and it really killed the range. I would like to have 200 miles to handle the longest trip I'm likely to make. I'm in Nova Scotia, but my mother is from Newfoundland (St. Anthony), haven't been there in 10 years so I don't know what the charging situation is like.
@@jameswebb5080 I haven't been to Newfoundland in two years, but plughshare doesn't have a lot of charging spots. I am thinking of keeping my Tundra around as it can plow. It would be ideal to be all-electric and be back to a two car house.
The people who designed the motors, batteries, software, aerodynamics, electronics, for TESLA have not stopped designing.
Sean, you are an amazing interviewer. You listen well and don’t interrupt the guest, which so many interviewers do. Keep up the great work!
Sandy Munro is a living legend. Interviewing him gives you even more credibility. Good work Sean.
Sean you and Gali are killing it with the awesome interviews!
Thank you!
Thanks for the exclusive content. Sandy seems like a cool cat, certainly knowledgeable. I’m just picturing him going wild in the CYBER off-roading lol
Sean, your interviews with Sandy are becoming a Discovery Channel quality content. Seriously dude, the amount on info you two share in these videos is mindboggling. Sandy has seen so much and just because he is that old haha he has so much knowledge acquired during his lifetime. Awesome work Sean!
Munro: Your frame is overly complex and redundant
Elon: What frame.
ha!
"The best part is no part." -- Elon
@@rhamph "More impressed with what can be unengineered"
ALON Musk
hahah!
00:00:30 What do you think about the Cybertruck and did you order one?
00:03:01 Does the Cybertruck have stealth properties?
00:04:07 Is there a difference between a uni-body and exoskeleton?
00:06:56 Why is body-on-frame such a popular way to build trucks?
00:09:15 What type of chassis did the DeLorean have?
00:10:12 How can Tesla pull from SpaceX technology?
00:19:43 Will the Cybertruck be more cost effective to produce than their other vehicles?
00:22:05 How will the Cybertuck do in a crash?
00:24:12 Does this new manufacturing approach address some of your Tesla build quality concerns?
00:27:26 Is there some magic with a $40,000 Cybertruck?
00:34:21 What are some things that appeal to you about the off-road capabilities?
00:37:03 What are Ford, GM, and Chrysler saying about the Cybertruck in their boardrooms?
Very well done Sean, good questions and you allowed time for his insightful answers. Kudos 👍🏼
Great interview. Nice to hear from an expert in Munro other than people like that De Muro guy (I that's his name) who had no idea.
One of the more interesting things Munro said was when he mentioned about keeping an eye on the opposition. A lot of people are scratching their heads as to why Elon chose Germany for Gigafactory 4. I smiled when it was announced because i was taught as a boy to keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I believe Elon may have the same philosophy and intends to shake the tree big time on the German competitors. As for the CT i wish Elon would release a smaller more petite model. Make it the same style as CT but more appropriate for those outside of the US. Finally im so excited about the forthcoming Battery Day in March. I feel that will be a day in history and put Tesla even further ahead. For legacy manufacturing it will be like the Road Runner and the Coyote. Others left with jaws on the ground.
You should pin this so it's at the top
@@quantaca5773 i dont know how to do that. How is it done?????
@@aussie_al was meant for Sean, he's the only one that can pin a message to the top (as it's his channel)
Great interview, I agree about the "some truck enthusiasts" being closed minded. As a tradesman and long time truck owner I put in a reservation immediately. Of course being in California and a LRDM3 owner I'm so aware of the superiority of Tesla technology first hand. They don't make junk, mistakes yes, and corrected asap. My experience with the constant updates to my car for free has never been a thing. Bought my first new 4x4 back in 85. 3 new f series in the 2000, 2003 & 2006. Worked on cars or trucks all my life. This is the first truck being built to last 3 generations ever. Beem me up scotty.
Cool story bro, needs more dragons.
adam aardvark You are a spiteful loser. The fact that you sifted through this whole comment section just to dismiss people’s comments as fiction is evidence enough. Is my story cool, bro?
@@benjaminr8229 no
Old F-150 driver ‘jumping ship’ to Cybertruck...he’s talking about me🤓
😂
Me too!
I own a toyota tundra and will jump ship.
Me too
The Cybertruck will last for a long time and get updates as things get better and save thousands on fuel costs.Why go truck shopping again??
Sandy is full of wisdom and deep knowledge. It's such a pleasure to watch this format. Sean, great job of interviewing. I would love to watch this format every quarter
I love that Sandy's first comment was to make sure they'd ordered some. It took me a day to get there
That also says something about Sandy trusting his team to do the right thing with minimal supervision, an indication of a great team.
First I'd like to say thank you Sandy Monroe for meeting with Sean and giving us your opinion! Sean thanks for hooking us up! Second, it is always great to hear Sandy's opinion on Tesla, this is the man that everyone should be listening to and not just about Tesla, you know he knows his Sh*t! For Christ's sake, his company is an independent company that contracts for the defense department. It's unreal that the mainstream media doesn't listen to this man. Hell, the reason his company isn't in the media more often is because most of the sh*t they work on is top secret, whether it's for the defense department or any other company it's still top secret.
He Is a very intelligent man and he gave me something’s to think about because of his different way of seeing and evaluating the Cybertruck, great video!
Really enjoy Munro's insights. He's smart, sensible, and he's seen it all.
I really enjoyed this one. You are both calm, rational, and that makes for an interesting conversation. I think hearing Sandy speak would make a lot of the "diehards" start thinking more seriously about not only the Cybertruck, but EVs in general, and that's a great thing. He doesn't come off as ideological or fanboy-ish at all, or any of the other criticisms that anti-Tesla/EV people tend to resort to.
Always enjoy Sandy Munro, excellent insights delivered clearly, a very sharp mind. Thanks! Sandy needs to hydrate more, he would cough less.
I'm glad those really smart people from NASA got laid off, and can now build the future instead of being locked up in bureaucracy and obsolete jobs programs.
Mr Munro is amazing!! Thank you Sean for such a treat!
Munroe's observations are such a breath of fresh air. He simply looks at the design from a very wide angle, including things like upfront production costs, ignores all the babble and gives a balanced assessment.
This is invaluable perspective. Tired of the agenda biased short-opinions.
Thank you Sean.
Congrats Sean and Sandy. I have a lot of respect for methodical methods, process or pontification.
glad you enjoyed it
Great to see Sandy Munro on your show. We are fortunate to hear from him.
Never have been interested in vehicles but find myself sitting, absolutely riveted, everytime, to Sandy Munroe interviews. Thanks for taking the time Sean, to go all that way to do these interviews. Your interviewing style Sean, would give many a professional TV journalist a run for their money; and many of them have had academic/professional training. Your interviews are never dull.
Munro is a legend in the automotive space truly a bank of knowledge. thanks for sharing Sean :)
Well - I listened VERY carefully and I have a LOT of respect for Sandy Munro.. He hit almost every aspect to this truck and the THREAT it represents to the big three. The cost savings in structure (one structure not three of bed, cab and frame), paint, production equipment and tooling - he KNOWS cost and what it takes to build a product and I agree completely. If the others don't wake up and change gears REAL quickly... the most profitable line of their business is going to go Tesla's way.. He has respect for Musk and Monro knows material science... this is a very accurate assessment of why the Tesla truck is going to dominate and deliver value..
Awesome to listen to a man with so much knowledge and experience!
the one dislike is the Tesla guy who just learned that he got fired because of Sandy.... ;-)
BUT it was not because of Sandy
Awesome work, Sean 👌🏼
thanks. I hope you enjoy it.
Most excellent interview, Sean! A lot to digest; it will be worth another watching!
A few initial takeaways and thoughts (as one who owned pickups for over 30 years before getting a Model 3):
A) Sandy is dead-on how handy both the kneeling aspect and the segmented tailgate ramp should prove out to be. I once had to load a motorcycle into the bed of a Nissan truck I once owned; it was no easy feat. I've also been in the position of tending lawns between two houses with one lawn mower; loading/unloading that thing was a chore.
B) The Model 3 electric motor. My own car is a long range rear wheel drive, 8/2018 build. I'm continually amazed and impressed by its efficiency and power! Which has only gotten better since I took delivery of the car.
C) The lethargy of the legacy automakers toward this truck. Some might view it as indifference or outright scoffing, but in the end I think it will prove out to be lethargy, which unfortunately - as Sandy notes - has been a dark side of the "legacy" of our legacy OEMs. I remember the days, although I was very young, when GM had over 50% market share in the US. 51%! Nobody has achieved that high of a slice since; it was GM's to lose. And lost it they did, largely due to hubris and lethargy.
Sandy’s views on Tesla’s M3 electric motor and battery technology as compared to others Munro has tested was very insightful.
I enjoyed his example of loading a deer or moose into the bed. His description is often what is done today.
I wish they both had discussed battery technology and range in more depth as it applies to off-roading, hunting and other outdoor sports. Both sports occur throughout the year in all types of weather and temperatures. More discussion on realistic ranges is needed. Especially given that parking any BEV at a trailhead, boat ramp, or cabin for hours or even overnight without the ability to plug into any power source at low temperatures is a common occurrence for someone who enjoys snow machines or hunting. There are real world conditions for those who enjoy the outdoors frequently where the useable range is realistically less than half the advertised range.
Sandy’s observations that the tailgate ramp was not unique was also something that needed to be said. His experience with aftermarket ramps is not unique although more secure options exist. I would have liked his assessment of the orientation of the T slots on the ramp for loading purposes as well as the number of T slots in the bed, on the tailgate, and ramp. ATVs are almost never as clean as the on stage demo. Wet, muddy or even snowy/icy ramps and ATV tires is more the norm. Without any grip/traction bars on the ramp loading could still be challenging even with the rear air bags lowered. Mounting a traction bar accessory to T slots in the ramp might be an option but it would have to be added once the ramp is deployed and removed before the ramp could be stowed inside the tailgate. Cleaning the T slots of mud, gravel, sand, ice, etc... will also present a challenge. Clogged T slots could prevent accessories from being installed. Given that there are 12 slots in the bed, tailgate, and ramps... 6.5’ bed + 3.5’ of tailgate and ramp (maybe more) is 10’ lineal feet of T slot. That’s 120 lineal feet (1,440 lineal inches) of T slots to clean! Not a problem if you never haul wood, gravel, mulch, etc... or load muddy, snowy ATVs in the bed. But if you do... cleaning will become tedious. Cleaning the bed of truck shouldn’t take more than a couple of minutes with a broom, blower, or hose. Brooms and blowers aren’t going to dislodge crushed angular gravel and sand. A air or water hose might do better but is still going to take time to clean 120 lineal feet of track.
I like that Sandy shared that he has a jeep and goes off-roading to relax. There are many levels and forms of off-roading. Many involve water that can sometimes enter the cab. Most late model vehicles can’t handle water inside the cab. Too much electronics under seats and dash along with carpets and liners. Even going with the carpet delete option doesn’t solve the problems. Older jeeps, land cruisers, rovers, didn’t have as much issue with water as today’s counterparts. Personally, I’d love to see Tesla offer a version of the truck that can handle water and mud in the cab and basically be hosed out after use. Seeing a stainless steel interior rather than carpet, faux leather door panels and roof liners, etc... would look awesome. I don’t need 16 speaker surround sound. I’d rather have secure mounting locations for removable waterproof blue tooth speakers (all synced) with wireless charging. If one craps out or gets damaged... just buy a new (better) one for $50. No pulling door or dash panels. The same is true for the display. It needs a secure mounting system for crash purposes and would need a water resistant/proof case. If it breaks or dies just unbolt the surface mounts and replace it. Having to hire a tech and pay $3000 to $4500 to replace a dead screen or upgrade to new tech is too old school. We need a version of the CyberTruck that is Ruggedized and easily updated or moded using factory or aftermarket offerings. A lot of the current design accomplishes just that. But Tesla can go further. I want to be able to load up after duck hunting and not have to worry about how much mud my buddies or dogs are going to bring inside the truck. A couple of retrievers shaking the mud, ice, and water off inside a truck after a hunt is brutal on every surface inside a vehicle. Especially perforated speaker covers and seat covers. Just like Tesla has earned the right to brag about crash tests and 0-60 performance... I’d love to see Tesla earn some bragging rights in performance under extreme use, temperatures, and abuse. One extreme abuse test could be loading a couple of retrieves inside after a morning of duck hunting in typical montana/idaho/wyoming (wet, cold, snowy, icy, muddy) conditions and letting them have at it.
Sandy is correct. Scuffs and Scratches will be a statement of, “yep, I really do use my truck!”. I have a friend who takes every new truck he buys through the brush to knock the new off it. The sooner you get some pinstripes from brush the sooner you stop worrying about the shine. CyberTruck is meant for guys like this.
when you're listening to somebody who knows what's he's talking about, you get mesmerized! good interview!
Sandy Munro is better than 99% of those clueless automotive analysts out there. I did not know about those NASA engineers. SpaceX and Tesla hit the jackpot there.
Sean, you can never go wrong with having Sandy on your show. Let's get him on more often to discuss all topics of interest. He's an expert in all facets of transportation...
Hopefully the next time will be for the Model Y.
We are getting rid of our GMC Sierra Dually 3500 series 4X4 and replacing it with the Tri-motor CyberTruck. Purely based on running costs and repairs we will save a ton of money, plus the ride quality and almost dent-proof body will keep our costs down. Now I just have to get through the next 18 months to two years before delivery.
Cool story bro now make me a sandwich.
Citroen had an amazing hydraulic suspension system - auto load levelling, rear squat, anti roll in bends and variable ride height. The springs were N2 gas pressure. spheres. The same mineral hydraulic system powered the brakes and the steering. Big win was no internal corrosion of brakes. Very handy on an EV that minimally uses the brakes.
The whole lot was non electronic. Lots of stuff to modernise.
Great interview and very insightful questions. Thank you for this. I changed my Model Y order to a Cybertruck after watching this series.
I need to watch it twice to get all of it. Great content :) thanks
Hey man for what it's worth I got a tracker running and it just broke 400k orders on the Cybertruck.
i was expecting that, what's the bet it be over 500k before mid year next year
How do you know??
Share the link?
@@EdPalmatier I made my own tracker sorry but there are online sources that have it at over 550k now which is consistent with mine
Good discussion. Sandy sidestepped what happens in a crash a little bit though, but he had a fair point. I really can't wait to see the Cybertruck being run through crashes at the IIHS.
I think it was a fair point.
3.2mm plate will still buckle readily. The radius of gyration is about 0.9mm, meaning any panel length buckle instead of yield for lengths longer than about 1.8mm which is tiny. The whole sledge hammer thing is was cute parlour trick. The force of impact in a collision is multiple orders of magnitude higher - the truck will buckle absorbing energy and adding to deceleration time/distance.
@@danwhiffen9235
The sledgehammer wasn't meant to represent real crashes. The point was that it doesn't get damaged as easily as traditional body panels. Most damage is caused by small bumps at very low speeds, mostly during parking.
@@danwhiffen9235 It might also break the impact machines.
András Bíró I agree that the sledge hammer thing was not intended to demonstrate vehicle collisions, but it seems a lot of people who haven’t worked in dynamic structural analysis or impact mechanics are wrongly inferring the vehicle is some kind of super tank. It was a great marketing move that got press. The location which Franz struck the door was very intentional, mid span (mid panel) affording the maximum energy absorption through elastic deflection. I don’t think it was a dead blow hammer which others have speculated, but a rubber coated steel sledge to minimize the likelihood or scratching or gouging.
Brilliant and kudos to Sean for getting these insights from Sandy.
Sean conducts Sandy Munro interview on Wednesday. Tesla stock opens at $380. Two days later stock sets record at $405. Talk about sticking it to the Short Sellers!
There was a similar jump after Jack Rickard's detailed analysis of the Cybertruck. I wonder if Sandy and Jack have ever got together to shoot the breeze? Can imagine them on a hunting trip together and bagging a Moose. They could even have power tools on board to process the carcass plus power for a quick freeze of the meat.
I can tell he’s very Impressed with the potential groundbreaking innovations that will be in the Cybertruck.
As Sandy says, 3mm is about 1/8". An entire body made out of 1/8" Stainless steel is HEAVY. '
He also correctly points out that stamping stainless that thick into curves like you see in a lot of modern cars is practically impossible. So the relatively simple...though futuristic...shape is a product of the decision to use the exoskeleton.
Mr. Munro, a legend in his own lifetime.
It's always good to have extra fingerprints on your bullets.
Now that's funny...
😂😂😂
Sean, I enjoy your talks with mr Munro a lot. That said, I find your questions a bit too leading in terms of putting tesla in a positive light. Granted, we're all fans here, myself included, but I want to hear Sandy Munro's completely unbiased opinion.
Keep it up, love the show!
Great as always . 200,000 orders was day 3 lol try 440,000 currently for Cybertruck! You should have updated him with that fact!
Great interview Sean! One question I would be interested in asking Munro in a follow up is: how will the exoskeleton design hold up when towing heavy loads? How much of a risk is there of bending the exoskeleton, and what would happen in that case? I've had a few discussions with people who wonder if you try to tow too much that it might bend the exoskeleton and cause all sorts of issues (like not being able to open the doors, etc). My guess is that Tesla is over-engineering for that use case, but it would be interesting to hear the perspective from someone like Munro on that question. The other question is, if people attach aftermarket things to the truck (like a rack or a winch) and they do that by drilling holes in the frame to mount it, would that compromise the structural integrity of the exoskeleton frame? Again, I would guess that if the mounting holes are small, it shouldn't be an issue, but it would be interesting to hear Munro's perspective on that.
Everything will be welded onto the truck
I appreciate the C-17 and MD-90 pictures in the background. I still recall taking your DFMA class in the ‘90’s
I have been driving F150s for the past 20 years and I am going to get the Cybertruck and get rid of the Ford. I am sure there will be many others that do the same.
Chris Olvera you won’t be alone :) Initially may be not many that will ditch their Ford, but very soon these cybertrucks will be everywhere
I was a Dodge diesel truck buyer for 30 years, 7 trucks purchased and all over 50K each. I'll buy 1 more truck and it will be a Tesla.
Great interview Sean. Sandy and his company are a wealth of information and are the experts in what they do. There is no bull sh*t, just facts from tearing down and evaluating the product.
I wish you'd delved more deeply into the damage repair procedure for the exoskeleton. New vehicles may cause less accidents with new tech but there will be a lot of older ones that won't be as safe.
Unlike other vehicles just weld the repair straight to it. That is what is so amazing.
David Coltman the damage repair procedures for the exoskeleton as Ramon Punsalang mentioned are not as simple as just cut and weld. I’m not sure the used cybertruck market or insurance companies are willing to let any guy or gal with Plasma Torch and a TIG or MIG welder just go at it. At some point repairs and welds will need certification indicating that all repairs to the truck maintain the same safety level/ratings as it did when it was new off the factory floor. Poor/contaminated welds or cutting and adding sections improperly could greatly impact the overall structure. Not an insurmountable problem. Just something that needs to be dealt with. So, like Ramon, I wish they would have addressed this in the video.
@@trouthunter22 I never said just anyone could do it. I was more referring to the fact that they won't have to spend thousands in paint. Also won't probably have to replace the whole panels.
Great to have such a high power guest in your show!
Sandy is a hunter, I like him a lot more now. love it.
As a work truck. I like it, as a contractor I am interested. A truck is a tool for a purpose,like a hammer.
Munroe is clearly still, if not ahead, ten at the forefront of the game. He knows about the modern technologies and can discuss them with ease.
The built in Ramp in the tail gate plus the height adjustable suspension are big things to me as a motorcycle enthusiast. It’s a no brainer....
This truck is awesome capabilities wise.
A really awesome deep interview with Sandy. We both covered a lot of ground and covered it really well.
“No tug of war discussions” ... that was the elephant bullet being delivered in a sublime way
When the F150 came out, I said this is the truck that’s 2 years ahead of the competition. But when Sandy started describing the cybertruck, I said this product is more than 5 years ahead of the competition. Everything that Sandy reveals about the product is a revelation to me. 200,000 pre orders at $100 per order says a lot about the product. When I dropped my 100 bucks for a preorder, I feel as though I was dropping my money in a raffle box with one huge exception - I am going to win 100% of the time. I have nothing to lose. Even if I don’t have enough cash to buy the product when I finally received the news that it is on its way for delivery God knows when, I know with 100% certainty that the product would be grabbed by a friend who would happily refund my 100 bucks with 100% gain.
Those 42+ minutes shot by. Always interesting to hear Sandy Munro. I think you've stolen him from Autoline After-hours, because they still have the attitude of "that thing's gonna do nuthin".
Rambler Andy autoline is warming up to Tesla in the past year
@@simoc24 That's true, but they are late to the game, and they still think that nobody will ever make money from EVs, whereas it's plain as a pikestaff that Tesla does.
Great interview Sean. And yes collision avoidance will only get better and better. We have two years to watch and learn how they’ll dial in the truck - aero, various features, and perhaps different lift-gate options. Thank you!
Marvelous to hear a veteran engineer like Mr. Munro comment and critique the machination's of the young maverick engineer Mr. Musk.
U.K. pioneered diesel electric rail locos that used ac traction motors. Until then they’d all been dc. The power converters had to handle 3000HP yet incidentally had the frequency response of a PA system. The motors had switchable coils so could be set to a range of synchronous speeds. The biggest breakthrough was their stall capacity. Bear with me -
Coal trains carried 1000 tons in 30 wagons. So expect the train to weigh A LOT more. At the unloading hoppers the whole train had to move at 0.5 mph which put huge strain on the traction motors. The variable frequency drive was set so low you could hear the motors pulsing. The loco 3000hp diesel would be working hard to avoid stalling.
I wonder if this technology could be updated for electric car traction motors. Maybe it is but well worth a look.
Imagine an extraction mission on a black night in the desert of the Middle East somewhere.......would the military NOT want that vehicle.
david pearn why the Middle East? Why not just head over to Bernie”s pad?
Because it's silent, bullet proof, and not filled will an explosive propellant?
A traditional ladder frame also offers a lot of torsional flexibility which allows more wheel travel, better tire contact in rough twisty off roading but also makes them sloppier handling on the road. With a rigid frame, today that's a unibody, plus exceptional individual wheel travel and adaptive suspension you can have it both ways. I can't remember the last time I was shot at while driving let alone a 50 cal. Doors that heavy are going to be a liability and fenders 'n' frunk lid??...how are those going to crush in an impact?
That’s a very good balance: wisdom and experience, represented by Munro and the new way of broadcasting info, represented in the video by Sean.
VERY, VERY good video! Insightful in many ways! Cheers!
Thank you!!!
Can this be a monthly or quarterly thing?
Will consider.
That would be great
@@AllThingsEV probably better to make it a thing when needed (like a new launch or after his Y teardown or even if he's had a taycan to "play" with, or after the battery/drive train investor day).
Insightful interview, Sean. Maybe you've already addressed - is it a foregone conclusion Ctrk will similarly have the radically reduced amount of wiring Sandy in previous convo said Model Y will have?
Very informative. Sandy Munro has become my favorite EXPERT in the field.
Thanks for the time stamps! :)
You bet!
Sandy is a marvel. I am really glad you had hin on. As a part-time farmer, I see the utility of the Cybbertruck. It is a very tough-looking tractor. Maybe it could be remotely.controlled
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This guy is an informational gold mine. Very cool you have him on your show. Great insides.
Time Spent with Sandy is very worthwhile Great to hear his thoughts.
I wonder what Mr. Munro's opinion is about the Cybertruck being classified as a medium duty (Class 2b). With that classification the true competition is Ford F250, Ram 2500, and Silverado 2500. The Cybertruck specs don't look as impressive when compared to these trucks. Being a medium duty also means not having to provide battery range because traditional mpg certification isn't required. Also IIHS doesn't currently crash test medium duty trucks.
I believe a mid-size Cybertruck would have more impact on the market than it's current form.
Looking forward to a follow-up once the truck has been out and Munro got their hands on it to take it apart. Same for when the Model Y has come out. Interesting to see which kinds of lessons Tesla learned or didn't learn and how quickly.
The massive frame casting machine that Tesla has developed for the Model Y should give you a clue.
There's one important question that you forgot to ask Sandy. And the reason why he's well-known in the first place. What would be his biggest critiques of the truck? This is important because the truck isn't in production yet, so it can still be improved in ways that would be impossible after the production starts.
Thanks, Sandy! We do not get to listen to enough engineers, especially for such an extended interview.
Great interview Sean. I love the insight Sandy gives. Do you see all future Tesla cars eventually change to the exoskeleton design?
Depends on the success of the Cybertruck and how it changes or perspective on vehicles. The Model S and even more Model 3 big tablet and no buttons interior design was radical and controversial too, and now it's slowly becoming the standard, at least for EVs. I can see happening the same with the Cybertruck's design. Even more because personal car ownership is going away, and if I don't own the car I care much less about how it looks. If cars aren't used for self-expression and as a status symbol, this is new design makes much more sense, as functionality and cost becomes more important than a fancy design.
If it really allows the cars to be built (as the truck is) with price parity vs ICE vehicles, they would stupid not to make a lower priced line of cars. A sedan or CUV with 200 miles of range at $20-25k would be the ICE killer.
39:25 you really got him with the chicken tax haha. I think it's fascinating to hear that even in 2019 there are senior executives in traditional automobile manufacturers still ignoring what Tesla is doing and using the old age 'you don't need a car you just need a faster horse' argument. I would have thought it's clear by the market segment Tesla is obtaining, that Internal combustion is outdated and people do want innovative designs
Great interview Sean! Worth the wait. Thank you.
glad you enjoyed it
I could have listen to the two of you guys talk about this for another hour.
Thanks David!
Ask him about the Porsche and the comparison to Tesla Battery
Porsche is using EV battery Adapted from Consumer Electronics and Laptops, Tesla uses a Custom formulation of LION and in a Metal Canister.
the Other EV battery are of Inferior Design to the Tesla battery.
The Porsche has a higher charge rate into a larger battery but has less range (just over 200 miles) than the equivalent performance Model 3. It’s also MUCH more expensive.
To me the windscreen is overly expensive. Flat laminated glass is cheap enough to replace when it’s too scratched. Inside face could be film coated.
@@Dave5843-d9m - the Biggest issue with Existing pickup and Truck Windscreen is CRACKED Windscreens.
Legally you can be Stopped by PD or H. Patrol, for a cracked screen and are subject to a Fixit Ticket.
However, Commerical Truck Drivers can get their TRUCK Removed from Service, for a cracked windscreen.
the Cybertruck screen is made of a Tougher version of the Side Armor Glass.
having a Front Windscreen that is Resistant to Stones and Baseball Hail will be Safer than ANY Current Pickups and Commerical Trucks. and WILL save Money in the LONG RUN.
TESLA Transparent Metal glass will also be on the TESLA Semi as well.
@@Dave5843-d9m - the Taycan is lower Efficiency because it uses an ICE CAR body on a Electric Drivetrain.
Fantastic interview! I was looking forward to hearing what Sandy had to say about the cybertruck.
Rory I didn't see this till now - Mr Monroe is one smart hugely experienced well connected guy!!! Great interview.
I’m 69, roofing contractor & have owned numerous trucks...I ordered a tri motor CyberTruck that night...Will be selling my 2003 Tundra & keeping my 95 NSX..
So the Cybertruck is a stealth truck after all, cause big three dismiss this as not a threat 🤣🤣🤣 while Tesla flies under the radar, they will hit them hard!
OH SNAP
You really think so? I am not so sure. Those guys in Ford and GM may be arrogant, but no fool. I assume they saw the price tag of 39,900 must shake them up pretty good. But I can be wrong of course. Sandy will know better than I do...however I think these CEOs has finally learned to take Elon Musk seriously
If you are referring to full size pickup price. Most of us out here drive midsized pickups because of price and just don't need a full size pickup to make trips to Lowes or haul gardening equipment over to the church's garden.
It like a cat caught looking into the headlights of a car about to hit it on a dark night.
Or watching a train wreck about to happen. You know it will turn out bad, but you are frozen and you can't look away!
The Big Three, are still living in Denial!
The evidence? I hear you ask...........................
They really have put a "half-hearted attempt in catching Tesla or providing some relevant competition.
This tells me they are frozen. They have been hooked on the sweet ride of fossil fuels for so long, that their brains have lost the ability to imagine new technologies or possibilities.
They are frozen,, helpless,, till they die!
One of the things that the Cybertruck is doing is having a sales argument for many different niches. Combine all those niches and you have a mass market product.
Plus it comes with gadgets that people may not always need, but definitely want.