@@hopelessromantic4843 We never know since there is no follow up on that story. Likely he would return home since it was over 97% of US troops that saw combat that returned home. Which does not take into account any of the other support roles he could've been assigned to.
In both timelines Smith loses his son by his own influence, in our timeline his past as a soldier influences his son to sign up for service in Vietnam while in this timeline his fathers dedication to the Reich and the honours he publicly received convince Thomas to turn himself in to the Reich health Ministry.
@@hazardous458 probably not, he left because his father was his idol. With his father having served his country in its hour of need he felt it was his duty to do the same. He also hoped his father would be proud of that choice hence his words and John's heartbroken reply.
It's very different. If you joined the US military even in 1968, your odds of going to Vietnam as opposed to West Germany, S. Korea or, (like my Uncle to Alaska for golf and fishing), was 26%. If you were one of the 26%, only about half saw combat, and many others were clerks, mechanics, chauffeurs, cooks, radio DJ's, and even if you were assigned combat, you faced a 97.8% chance of returning home alive. Better odds than Covid. On the other hand, your chances of being killed by a Nazi or Communist extermination are 1 out of 1.
@@aliboy357 Yes and if his father stood up for the black couple. Maybe his son would realize there’s plenty to fight back in the states instead of joining the army. As you said, smith is his idol.
@@littleraeofsunshine fr i never saw cillian murphy in a award show, but then i never them anyways lol. His acting in peaky blinders is fucking phenomenal
I feel bad for Jennifer too. The last thing she said to him was "Oh sure, now dad's on TV and you wanna act all grown up?" And then he sacrificed himself to save his family.
I just find it interesting how the uniforms have a touch of Vietnam era US, and Cold War era German (specifically DDR), while staying true to the Reich uniforms.
The cold war era German uniform IS the wehrmacht uniform. Even the helmet they used (the ugly thing) was a wehrmacht prototype from WW2. The DDR wanted to keep the tradition from the german military to distinct itself from other communist states to show they were not a puppet state with a "soviet clone army". Meanwhile west germany went for a "clone" of the US army and abandond nearly everything from before. they did that to "make a clean cut" with the nazi era and show themselfs as beeing new. Sadly US uniforms were ugly as fuck post WW2 and cold war in general.
@@noobster4779 the Helmet you are referring to was used by the East German Army but was meant to replace the Stahlhelm once War was over with, that was my biggest gripe of the German uniforms of the 1960's..they were still using the Stahlhelm which would've been phased out by the actual Third Reich had they won the war. The West German Army when re-created in the 50's used the Stahlhelm from WW2 at first.
Can you imagine the perspective of the guys making the pickup? They have to have armed guards because likely every time they are called out to get someome they probably resist and here possibly for the first time ever someone is giving themselves willingly. When Thomas asks for a moment they give it to him, I don't imagine they're typically that accommodating so they must be just as surprised about this.
I would thing they may meet resistance but look at WW2 Japan ( indoctrination ) I doubt they met many actual members of the reich that fought the policy . Weeding out genetic disease .I actually wish we had a some policies along similar lines ( couples with genetic diseases should not have kids ) context I have a genetic disease and probably will not procreate .
@@necromorph1109 I think that's a personal choice, but I do agree that if the couple do not have the financial capacity to ensure their kids to be able to live a decent life, they shouldn't have the kid (whether or not if they have a genetic disease.) I mean just adopt a child, it would be as satisfying as raising your own child imo.
@@noobsowhat5744 agreed . I just worry about the future of humanity . All of nature is reliant on natural selection . The weeding out of bad traits . But one of humanities greatest accomplishments and now weaknesses is we can ignore that . We help the genetically defective and we keep them alive . Which is good ! But long term …. Is it ? Sorry to come off a bit 3rd reich but …. At the very least we should not have certain couples have kids .
This is a chilling scene but Thomas knows they will come for him eventually as his health deteriorates. That was his world. You might as well go out with your head held high looking brave and your pride intact. The scene where the Marines pick him up after he signs up in the alternate world was well done too.
It's actually a bit of an oversight. The correct symbol would be the Rod of Asclepius, a single snake coiling up a rod. Caduceus symbology deals in commerce, negotiation, and logistics, not medicine and healing. The misappropriation is the result of commercial company ignorance, dating all the way back to 1902. But one could swing it as a comment on Nazi ignorance and hollow posturing. Also good.
They also wear WW 2 uniforms which makes no sense. They should have invested in coming up with original costumes and not just using old stuff left over.
I imagine in all the worlds in this story's multiverse, Thomas meets his death at 'this time' regardless of what's done to prevent it. I'm sure in some other timeline he was executed by the Soviets that won, or eaten by unicorn zombies, or hit by a bus.
Thomas knew that he wanted to be free from his diagnosis, and doesnt want to disappoint his father and family by being a helpless ill vegetable, so he sacrificed himself whilst he was still in tact and to obey the oaths of the American Reich. And it was a sad scene too.
The saddest scene in the show. Never should those who suffer from genetic illnesses feel they are a burden on the state. It is the duty of the state to take care of them and work towards eradicating the illness for future generations. Fight the illness with care and research. Not killing the patient.
@@marieterese2926 What the fuck do you have against people with genetic deformities? People with genetic deformities are just like me and you(in which I actually have genetic deformities in that my body produces defective collagen and I have high functioning autism).
the mom really suffered the most in this series. If i remember correctly, she was going to find a way to go against the medical policies of the Reich and John told her not to do it because it would get her killed if she spoke up against the Reich. its crazy and very sad.
Well to be fair in the other timeline it’s unknown if Thomas dies in Vietnam. In this one he does. Although you’d think those in the health department would be hesitant to touch John Smiths son without his express authority, I mean he is the head of the American SS.
That doesn't matter to a real NAZI. He also could not argue against it without revealing he is not a full NAZI. In fact he would be in great Danger of losing Everything if they find out he did not report his Son! The Health Department here is under only one Rule - Hitler's Rule! And Hitler could not make an Exception!
Yeah that too, might've been considered by the doctors to get out of there quick as to not make a scene whether or not it's really confirmed if he had the condition.
@@aaronpaterson15 I think in the context of the setting he realized that his family would suffer for concealing his illness and while it may seem to us the epitome of brainwashing, in the mind of the American Reich, Thomas’s actions are the epitome of selflessness
@@manny123957 yea but the fact he feels obligated to die for the reich simply because he has a diability (ik he is also protecting his family but still) is kinda brainwashy
It's an inspiring scene of heroism and choice prevailing over reflexive sentimentalism and genetic fate. Thomas faced his genetic inferiority and, in choosing to have himself euthanized over becoming a sickly, weak, useless eater, he triumphed. The ideal of strength did not need to be compromised. The only horrific thing in this scene is his mother's wailing, however understandable her distress. The guards are needed to keep otherwise upstanding citizens from giving in to their attachments and emotions in such times, rather than upholding principle. If only we had such a society today.
i know this is just a show but this could EASILY be our world. I cant enjoy watching these shows anymore. turning yourself into a power just to die with the belief your unworthy its so incredibly sad.
It distresses me that this isn't our world. If only more of the disabled (myself), the sick, the weak, and the worthless could just be persuaded to extermination. think how much better off everyone else would be. This isn't a terrible society. Our own permissive, dissipated, degenerate society is much worse.
@@Hegelmaus81 A far cry from our Yamnaya ancestors on the steppe...only the strongest survived. They didn't know it but it was the Golden Age...thousands of years on, we look back at their era with envy, wishing we could be them...
I never realized the German troopers were wearing East German camouflage. That’s a super cool use of military surplus not gonna lie. Kinda messes with the MP5’s they were carrying though... shoulda used some MP40s
I understand it is German, I just think it’s out of place to mix the MP5 with the East German camo and would rather see something that matches it at least a little more closely, as the East Germans could have used MP40s (they had many)
@@gemini_1085 I think the MP-44 (or STG-44) would have been the better alternative. A still rather excellent rifle that was probably going to phase out the 40's anyways.
I understand that as well. They still had more options to pick from, like the CETME G3 or something like that. The Japanese in the show were still using 1940’s type 99 arisakas and type 38’s, so the MP40 would have been right at home with other WW2 guns
Smith is by far the most compelling character thanks to his relationship with his family but namely his son and how his role in the Nazi regime is incredibly demanding of sacrifice
Another thing to take away from this is a mother's love almost over powered the strength of those two soldiers. They literally were being pushed back a bit at first
Why is that good? Her love, had it prevailed, or had it been the law of the land, would have surely resulted in an abundance of sickly, weak, disgusting, useless eaters. As matters were, the laws governing genetic hygiene ensured that the populace wouldn't be burdened by those. As a patient with MS, with no hope of mitigation or recovery, I wish I had something like this option; I wish *I* had the chance to make the heroic choice Thomas did. Unfortunately, we live in a society rotten with sentimentalism.
fascism is EXACTLY like socialism, communism, liberalism, and statism it cannot THINK NOR REASON it only acts based upon its own hateful ideology of banality. EXACTLY like the fools in the DEMONRAT VERMIN PARTY of obiden, piglosi, schlumer, ocrazio, kamel-hoe, slanders and pocahontas. one must be DUTIFUL to the NARRATIVE.
I honestly prefer that fictitious name to the “Germanisches Reich der deutschen Nation”, as the scenario laid out in The Man in the High Castle is so improbable and outlandish that involving the Germans, or even the nazis in our timeline / reality, would feel surreal, and would undermine the plot. I stopped watching the series some time ago, but I feel that, even in my limited scope, Germans and the real Reich aren’t mentioned frequently. When characters travel to Europe to visit cities like Berlin (Germania), there are little to no ties to the Berlin we know. The conflicts in German-occupied North America are mostly ideological: Americans struggle against other Americans, whereas in the Japanese occupation zone, there is an acute sense of national division, with the Americans directly serving under Japanese characters, many of whom receive considerable time on air. I’m not an authority on this, but I would assume they did this because media like Man in the High Castle is easer to be marketed to Western European nations, and Germans might find it more difficult to watch if they were directly mentioned as the enemy too frequently.
@@kal.50bmg32 He basically said "its absurd, so they gave it an absurd name, and to deject it from reality, making it easier for (western) Europeans, especially Germans, to watch it.
This happened in real life too. Throughout World War Two soldiers from all over Europe went off to die for Nazism. Their families had no say because they had no right to say no. This only got worse until late in the war where the Eastern Front was essentially a meat grinder.
If I'm Smith (Thomas father), I will never recover from that scene. The system he fanatically devoted his life and service was the reason why he lost his only son😂. I mean, Thomas is the perfect son anybody can have. He is kind, restpectful, no arrogance, obedient and smart.
@@monarchist1838 While I agree the ending* is stupid and the BCR is unnecessary in the first place. Do you extreme political bastards ever get tired of your “We are good, they evil” mentality? 🙄 Last time I check, all sides, left and right makes their own propaganda to gain influence. It seems that you are one of those people who have propaganda stained on your minds that you can’t even try to have a compromise with the other side and compare their ideals to yours and see which ones you’d agree or disagree on.
@@firemangan2731 the power dynamic shifts every decade when it comes to which side of the political spectrum are doing the most things that are against public interest or just plain stupid decisions that only get passed because “I have to stand united with my party” mentality. During the 80s up until the early 00s it was clearly the Evangelical Christians doing that, who were right-wing. Now it’s flipped and we are now seeing this from the left-wing with the Woke Progressives. You can say what you want about both sides being to blame and for sure, that’s true, but it isn’t equal in magnitude. Like I said, power dynamic changes rather slowly, but around a decade from now it flips again because people are completely fed up with the current status quo; you will see the right-wing become the boogeyman once again. Sad reality it is to be quite honest.
I know it is not the way I should feel, in this scene, but his death, and the decision that lead to it, are increadibly heroic in my eyes. When I feel it, I don't feel sadness, but awe, for a man, no, a boy, who is greater than I could ever be
@anonym Socrates willingly drank the hemlock poison after the DEMOCRACY voted to condemn him to DEATH for "corrupting the youth". Plato on the other hand died an OLD MAN in his 80s between 81 to 84. most historians claim that Plato died in his sleep quite unlike Socrates and completely different that Thomas Smith.
@@thekingslady1 the world is an INANIMATE OBJECT. the "leaders" in the many nations of the world have often been insane, crazy maniacs drunk with the LUST FOR POWER over others. this is something that the author Philip K Dick often wrote about. as lord acton once said, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Kill him, he was a "drag on the state" at that point due to his condition. It was mentioned earlier in the series; they kill all of the unhealthy people. He knowingly turned himself in because he felt it was the right thing to do.
@@actualmemology7090 Seems like a bit of an overkill.. "Drag on the state"? Historical accuracy or fiction? Not trying to sound like a wehraboo, just thinking outside the box.
@@richhh9000 Historical fact. "Severely mentally and physically disabled people, as well as those perceived to have disabilities, were targeted because of Nazi beliefs that disabled people were a burden both to society and to the state. From 1939 to 1941 the Nazis carried out a programme of ‘euthanasia’, known as the T4 programme [...] In 1933 the ‘Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring’ was passed, allowing for the forced sterilisation of people with conditions such as epilepsy, schizophrenia and alcoholism. Prisons, nursing homes, asylums, care homes for the elderly and special schools were targeted to select people for sterilisation. [...] In 1939 the killing of disabled children and adults began. All children under the age of three who had illnesses or a disability, such as Down’s syndrome, or cerebral palsy were targeted under the T4 programme. [...] Following the outbreak of war in September 1939 the programme was expanded. Adults with disabilities, chronic illnesses, mental health problems and criminals who were not of German origin were included in the programme. Six killing centres were established to speed up the process - the previous methods of killing people by lethal injection or starvation were deemed too slow to cope with large numbers of adults. [...] It is estimated that close to 250,000 disabled people were murdered under the Nazi regime." www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/disabled-people/
@Bruh Moment Sourced above. And there are numerous well-researched history books and websites out there, just type 'aktion t4' into your preferred search engine and you'll see. Disability discrimination was the norm back then, the Nazis just took it to its logical conclusion. Before the second world war, eugenics in the form of forced sterilisation of people with hereditary conditions thought undesirable was actually quite common in many developed countries (including the US and Canada). Winston Churchill was a proponent, however the bill to introduce it into UK law was thankfully defeated in parliament in 1913. Germany was a latecomer to the idea of compulsory sterilisation, it being outlawed under the Weimar Republic, and only introduced under Hitler. But within a few years of its introduction, preventing the disabled from breeding was no longer enough; their very existence had to be terminated.
Most likely because normally when they go to collect someone, the victim isn’t going to go willingly and will try to put up a fight or make a run for it
Executed as all ppl with severe illnesses or disabled ppl were...anyone who would have been "burden to the state" so to speak.... Aktion T4 is what happened actually in Nazi Germany where by orders of Hitler they first started to execute disabled and mentally ill people before Final Solution/Holocaust. That being said his body/organs were probably used by Nazi Reich for research purposes, propably that was part of the papers he signed
I'm certain if his dad was there, his dad would have attempted to overstep his authority to have Thomas released which would make the Reich lose trust in him.
This kind of smothering maternal view is one of the core issues in America. They have to go from being boys to men at some point, and nearly 2 decades of childhood is enough. Our society insists on treating all young men as children, and then we are suprised when they live with their parents until they're 35.
@@texandominion5430 our armed forces has the worst leadership and hierarchy right now in its history. No one will re enlist especially with senile Biden, and the NCO’s and general upper heads in the armed forces suck *ss, screwing over regular enlisted men all the time. You don’t need to be in the military for any of what you’ve said.
@@therookie8872 That's again a product of Liberalism and its smothering maternalism, seeping in and corrupting good institutions. (Which is why one of the many reasons we need regime change.) But *in principle*, the military is a core part of society and does the important job of forging young men into warriors.
@@jake.s7065 The Nazi Regime executed or in better ways sterilised people with Disabilities since they wanted a pure Germany with no disabilities, meaning that they did not want disabled people getting disabled children. In a realistic situation Thomas would probably just get sterilised so he could not have children since he was the son of the Chief of the SS within the German Occupied West Coast. But I hope my comment gives you the answer you were looking for.
Yup soon they’ll make it mandatory, Kamala and Biden will proudly wipe their ass with our Bill of Rights. It’s amusing how the manufacturer of Covid, China, receives no blame. The Wuhan Institute of Virology created this, with funding from us...
@Connor Kubischta My god you lefties are so incredibly weak. Everyone not sharing your views is a “Nazi,” “Wayyycist,” etc. Coming from you, those words are compliments. Thank you.
This is an inspiring display of courage. Thomas refuses to accept comfort and weakness; he chooses the right path, not the easy one, so that the Reich's commitment to purity need not be compromised. If only-- *if only*-- we had this world, instead of the degeneracy that we do. Alas, we're a dissipated people; we have the society we deserve.
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It’s crazy how in this universe mirrors his death in the alternate universe being taken away with his last words being “be proud of me”
Did he actually die in vietnam ?.I read on the site he was still alive
@@hopelessromantic4843 We never know since there is no follow up on that story. Likely he would return home since it was over 97% of US troops that saw combat that returned home. Which does not take into account any of the other support roles he could've been assigned to.
@@mikkel066h Pretty sure the tv show clarified that he was going to see combat and so John Smith wanted to bring him to his timeline to save him
@@mikkel066h Bitch, he signed on as a marine, that raises his chance of dying to about 22%. John has a right to be scared.
@@thyreradim7885 What stats are those, you do realize the 97 percent takes into account of marines right ?
In both timelines Smith loses his son by his own influence, in our timeline his past as a soldier influences his son to sign up for service in Vietnam while in this timeline his fathers dedication to the Reich and the honours he publicly received convince Thomas to turn himself in to the Reich health Ministry.
If smith stood up for the black couple in the dinner than it’s most likely his son would’ve stayed.
@@hazardous458 probably not, he left because his father was his idol. With his father having served his country in its hour of need he felt it was his duty to do the same. He also hoped his father would be proud of that choice hence his words and John's heartbroken reply.
Son is an idiot?
It's very different. If you joined the US military even in 1968, your odds of going to Vietnam as opposed to West Germany, S. Korea or, (like my Uncle to Alaska for golf and fishing), was 26%. If you were one of the 26%, only about half saw combat, and many others were clerks, mechanics, chauffeurs, cooks, radio DJ's, and even if you were assigned combat, you faced a 97.8% chance of returning home alive. Better odds than Covid. On the other hand, your chances of being killed by a Nazi or Communist extermination are 1 out of 1.
@@aliboy357 Yes and if his father stood up for the black couple. Maybe his son would realize there’s plenty to fight back in the states instead of joining the army. As you said, smith is his idol.
This was genuinely one of the saddest scenes in the show
Specially when you see 2 guys taking the kid again in the alt realíty
Sadder than the shitty ending?
I shed tears more on Hitler's death. Irony isnt it
@@ricardoabreu4997 faith is written
Why?
Rufus Sewell was robbed of many Emmys. Many, many Emmys.
Awards shows suck. Same as Cillian Murphy for Peaky Blinders. Those two actors are PHENOMENAL in their roles.
Rufus Sewell, much like a lot of talented actors, is under appreciated for their work.
And Chelah Horsdal for season 3. She was even better than Rufus.
@@mkendrick94 yeah, I never forget him as Agamenon
@@littleraeofsunshine fr i never saw cillian murphy in a award show, but then i never them anyways lol. His acting in peaky blinders is fucking phenomenal
I feel bad for Jennifer too. The last thing she said to him was "Oh sure, now dad's on TV and you wanna act all grown up?" And then he sacrificed himself to save his family.
I just find it interesting how the uniforms have a touch of Vietnam era US, and Cold War era German (specifically DDR), while staying true to the Reich uniforms.
The cold war era German uniform IS the wehrmacht uniform. Even the helmet they used (the ugly thing) was a wehrmacht prototype from WW2. The DDR wanted to keep the tradition from the german military to distinct itself from other communist states to show they were not a puppet state with a "soviet clone army".
Meanwhile west germany went for a "clone" of the US army and abandond nearly everything from before. they did that to "make a clean cut" with the nazi era and show themselfs as beeing new. Sadly US uniforms were ugly as fuck post WW2 and cold war in general.
@@noobster4779 He meant the field uniforms. Strikingly accurate to the NVA "Rain Pattern"
The camo pattern of the American Reich in this is a totally different pattern
@@noobster4779 what Warsaw pact country's army was a "Soviet clone army"?
@@noobster4779 the Helmet you are referring to was used by the East German Army but was meant to replace the Stahlhelm once War was over with, that was my biggest gripe of the German uniforms of the 1960's..they were still using the Stahlhelm which would've been phased out by the actual Third Reich had they won the war. The West German Army when re-created in the 50's used the Stahlhelm from WW2 at first.
Can you imagine the perspective of the guys making the pickup? They have to have armed guards because likely every time they are called out to get someome they probably resist and here possibly for the first time ever someone is giving themselves willingly. When Thomas asks for a moment they give it to him, I don't imagine they're typically that accommodating so they must be just as surprised about this.
Honestly I'm surprised they showed up with what seems to be mp5s, seems very overkill honestly for the health ministry 😂
@@noobsowhat5744 *knock knock* HEALTH DEPARTMENT, ON THE GROUND NOW
I would thing they may meet resistance but look at WW2 Japan ( indoctrination ) I doubt they met many actual members of the reich that fought the policy . Weeding out genetic disease .I actually wish we had a some policies along similar lines ( couples with genetic diseases should not have kids ) context I have a genetic disease and probably will not procreate .
@@necromorph1109 I think that's a personal choice, but I do agree that if the couple do not have the financial capacity to ensure their kids to be able to live a decent life, they shouldn't have the kid (whether or not if they have a genetic disease.) I mean just adopt a child, it would be as satisfying as raising your own child imo.
@@noobsowhat5744 agreed . I just worry about the future of humanity . All of nature is reliant on natural selection . The weeding out of bad traits . But one of humanities greatest accomplishments and now weaknesses is we can ignore that . We help the genetically defective and we keep them alive . Which is good ! But long term …. Is it ? Sorry to come off a bit 3rd reich but …. At the very least we should not have certain couples have kids .
This is a chilling scene but Thomas knows they will come for him eventually as his health deteriorates. That was his world. You might as well go out with your head held high looking brave and your pride intact. The scene where the Marines pick him up after he signs up in the alternate world was well done too.
that's why John wanted him sent to Argentina
No, I think he was a true believer.
@@texandominion5430 If he was, then he would have turned his own parents in for concealing his condition.
Or maybe like the real world he was somewhere in between@@victordonavon292
They've got the medical caduceus on their shoulders, but they have MP5's. What a good choice by the costume department. Fucking brutal
It's a nice reference to the real T-4 Euthanasia program, in which SS operatives wore white lab coats while rounding people up
It's actually a bit of an oversight. The correct symbol would be the Rod of Asclepius, a single snake coiling up a rod. Caduceus symbology deals in commerce, negotiation, and logistics, not medicine and healing. The misappropriation is the result of commercial company ignorance, dating all the way back to 1902.
But one could swing it as a comment on Nazi ignorance and hollow posturing. Also good.
They also wear WW 2 uniforms which makes no sense. They should have invested in coming up with original costumes and not just using old stuff left over.
Why wouldn't it make sense?
@@pegcity4evaUS reused assets from WWII during the 60s 🤷🏽♂️
The character arch on this show was top notch. Really wish it was longer.
She suffered the most in this series
Imagine all the other off-screen characters. She at least got to die acknowledging that she failed her children.
@@yucol5661 Yeah, I was hoping that they were going to give a her a happy ending, guess not
Wat abt the girls? They lost their mom, dad, AND their brother
@@TheUltimateTroll9 yeah but it is not shown since the show already ended when John and Helen died.
what about the dude with glasses watching his sister and nieces getting gassed?
I imagine in all the worlds in this story's multiverse, Thomas meets his death at 'this time' regardless of what's done to prevent it.
I'm sure in some other timeline he was executed by the Soviets that won, or eaten by unicorn zombies, or hit by a bus.
Oh my God. You killed Tommy! You bastards!
It's the curse abenson put on John to forever roam the multiverse trying to save his family
Lmao I was thinking he probably got himself killed in every reality
Looks like you've been watching Steins Gate a lot lately...
The ease with which his sister immediately lets her mother know something's up is somehow uneasy, yet important.
Thomas knew that he wanted to be free from his diagnosis, and doesnt want to disappoint his father and family by being a helpless ill vegetable, so he sacrificed himself whilst he was still in tact and to obey the oaths of the American Reich. And it was a sad scene too.
The tragedy and the heroism combine so beautifully. If only we really had such policies!
@@Hegelmaus81 Jesus christ man.
@@Hegelmaus81 u first
@@Hegelmaus81 A classic case of "be careful what you wish for"
@@SolarWebsite You misunderstand. I wish the government would exterminate me. I do not want to live in my sickly state.
The saddest scene in the show. Never should those who suffer from genetic illnesses feel they are a burden on the state. It is the duty of the state to take care of them and work towards eradicating the illness for future generations. Fight the illness with care and research. Not killing the patient.
bUt I dOnT wAnT mY tAxEs GoInG tOwArDs OtHeR pEoPle
@@revivedcorpseofrasputin4337 "oNlY rEaSoN i EvEn dO tAxEs Is FoR tAx ReTuRnS"
And the fact that there's still people today who support eugenics only goes to show how prevalent this ignorance still exists.
@@marieterese2926 What the fuck do you have against people with genetic deformities? People with genetic deformities are just like me and you(in which I actually have genetic deformities in that my body produces defective collagen and I have high functioning autism).
@Adrian Shephard yes
the mom really suffered the most in this series. If i remember correctly, she was going to find a way to go against the medical policies of the Reich and John told her not to do it because it would get her killed if she spoke up against the Reich. its crazy and very sad.
What does a man profit if he should gain the world but lose his own soul?
Underrated comment
The spiritual decay of our post war world is one of the saddest, most revolting things to witness
He profits the world.
@@mclovin583 Just a blot in spectrum of Eternity.
Some guy said something similar about not selling his house in Coral Gables FL
This scene makes you glad we live in this timeline
Speak fo yo damn self.
idk bout that one chief, i rather be in the nazi one lol
@@realkaytlinidk4712 What?
You don't realize but you are living in the Orwellian timeline.
@@Nemesis_T_Type yoo facts.
John is a tragic character, loses his son in both worlds for a futile reason.
Well to be fair in the other timeline it’s unknown if Thomas dies in Vietnam. In this one he does. Although you’d think those in the health department would be hesitant to touch John Smiths son without his express authority, I mean he is the head of the American SS.
That doesn't matter to a real NAZI. He also could not argue against it without revealing he is not a full NAZI. In fact he would be in great Danger of losing Everything if they find out he did not report his Son! The Health Department here is under only one Rule - Hitler's Rule! And Hitler could not make an Exception!
Yeah that too, might've been considered by the doctors to get out of there quick as to not make a scene whether or not it's really confirmed if he had the condition.
Interesting: "Einstrich-Keinstrich" Uniforms from the Army of the former GDR.... ;)
wehrmacht styled
You can tell by the pattern
You have to give it to the kid, he is extremely selfless
Hes brainwashed
@@aaronpaterson15 I think in the context of the setting he realized that his family would suffer for concealing his illness and while it may seem to us the epitome of brainwashing, in the mind of the American Reich, Thomas’s actions are the epitome of selflessness
@@aaronpaterson15 he didn’t have any other choice especially in the world he lives in its sad Ik but look at it from his POV
@@manny123957 yea but the fact he feels obligated to die for the reich simply because he has a diability (ik he is also protecting his family but still) is kinda brainwashy
@@aaronpaterson15 I mean yea but it’s not his fault though the world he lives in is just fucked up.
It's such a quiet horror, this scene.
It's an inspiring scene of heroism and choice prevailing over reflexive sentimentalism and genetic fate. Thomas faced his genetic inferiority and, in choosing to have himself euthanized over becoming a sickly, weak, useless eater, he triumphed. The ideal of strength did not need to be compromised. The only horrific thing in this scene is his mother's wailing, however understandable her distress. The guards are needed to keep otherwise upstanding citizens from giving in to their attachments and emotions in such times, rather than upholding principle.
If only we had such a society today.
@@Hegelmaus81 you're pathetic as hell.
i reckon this was the turning point in the show
Arguably the best scene in the entire show
Because some people will go so far to prove a point that they will destroy themselves and everyone around them in the process.
My ex is like that
In our own timeline, he died anyway because their insurance company denies his claim.
I will tell my kids this is Young Sheldon
And now he is resting peacefully in heaven
I don't think he's there
@BarbarossaBMW88ϟϟ it's a joke. Dirty Nazi lover
@BarbarossaBMW88ϟϟ that’s sound like something a nazi or commi will say
He is in Valhalla
Say what you want about the situation but that kid had guts
It was his love for the fatherland
i know this is just a show but this could EASILY be our world. I cant enjoy watching these shows anymore. turning yourself into a power just to die with the belief your unworthy its so incredibly sad.
It distresses me that this isn't our world. If only more of the disabled (myself), the sick, the weak, and the worthless could just be persuaded to extermination. think how much better off everyone else would be. This isn't a terrible society. Our own permissive, dissipated, degenerate society is much worse.
@@Hegelmaus81 A far cry from our Yamnaya ancestors on the steppe...only the strongest survived.
They didn't know it but it was the Golden Age...thousands of years on, we look back at their era with envy, wishing we could be them...
Thomas Smith looks a lot like Jared Kushner.
I never realized the German troopers were wearing East German camouflage. That’s a super cool use of military surplus not gonna lie. Kinda messes with the MP5’s they were carrying though... shoulda used some MP40s
MP5 is a German design (West German) so it does make sense, the MP-40 would have been out of date and out of service by the time Thomas did this.
I understand it is German, I just think it’s out of place to mix the MP5 with the East German camo and would rather see something that matches it at least a little more closely, as the East Germans could have used MP40s (they had many)
@@gemini_1085 I think the MP-44 (or STG-44) would have been the better alternative. A still rather excellent rifle that was probably going to phase out the 40's anyways.
You have to remember when Thomas became a young adult it wasn't the 40's anymore. I think this took place in the late 50's to early 60's.
I understand that as well. They still had more options to pick from, like the CETME G3 or something like that. The Japanese in the show were still using 1940’s type 99 arisakas and type 38’s, so the MP40 would have been right at home with other WW2 guns
Did they actually give her a receipt for her son?
Smith is by far the most compelling character thanks to his relationship with his family but namely his son and how his role in the Nazi regime is incredibly demanding of sacrifice
This is so heartbreaking…
tom and john smith are the best characters in the show
It Make me sad to think in an alternate universe he Died in Vietnam
Hahaha It's funny to see East German Strichtarn uniforms at 1:26
What is the song on the background?
It's called hitler youth
Another thing to take away from this is a mother's love almost over powered the strength of those two soldiers. They literally were being pushed back a bit at first
Why is that good? Her love, had it prevailed, or had it been the law of the land, would have surely resulted in an abundance of sickly, weak, disgusting, useless eaters. As matters were, the laws governing genetic hygiene ensured that the populace wouldn't be burdened by those. As a patient with MS, with no hope of mitigation or recovery, I wish I had something like this option; I wish *I* had the chance to make the heroic choice Thomas did. Unfortunately, we live in a society rotten with sentimentalism.
@@Hegelmaus81 Hey, stay strong, buddy! Please reply to me!
It really makes no sense, I mean he is still capable and potentially valuable. You'd think they'd prefer to sterilize him than kill him.
fascism is EXACTLY like socialism, communism, liberalism, and statism it cannot THINK NOR REASON it only acts based upon its own hateful ideology of banality. EXACTLY like the fools in the DEMONRAT VERMIN PARTY of obiden, piglosi, schlumer, ocrazio, kamel-hoe, slanders and pocahontas. one must be DUTIFUL to the NARRATIVE.
"Greater Nazi Reich" is a poor translation of "Großdeutsches Reich".
I have to think that's an Americanism of some sort.
I honestly prefer that fictitious name to the “Germanisches Reich der deutschen Nation”, as the scenario laid out in The Man in the High Castle is so improbable and outlandish that involving the Germans, or even the nazis in our timeline / reality, would feel surreal, and would undermine the plot.
I stopped watching the series some time ago, but I feel that, even in my limited scope, Germans and the real Reich aren’t mentioned frequently. When characters travel to Europe to visit cities like Berlin (Germania), there are little to no ties to the Berlin we know. The conflicts in German-occupied North America are mostly ideological: Americans struggle against other Americans, whereas in the Japanese occupation zone, there is an acute sense of national division, with the Americans directly serving under Japanese characters, many of whom receive considerable time on air.
I’m not an authority on this, but I would assume they did this because media like Man in the High Castle is easer to be marketed to Western European nations, and Germans might find it more difficult to watch if they were directly mentioned as the enemy too frequently.
@@maple2524 Ehm - what?
@@kal.50bmg32 He basically said "its absurd, so they gave it an absurd name, and to deject it from reality, making it easier for (western) Europeans, especially Germans, to watch it.
@@VeryProfessionalGamer Ridiculous. I want to watch it or I won´t. I don´t need any bullshit to "make it easier".
Thomas took his beliefs do his grave literally
Having Acromegaly, I would have been labeled "lebensunwertes leben" and would have ended up the same as Thomas here. How scary is that!
This happened in real life too. Throughout World War Two soldiers from all over Europe went off to die for Nazism. Their families had no say because they had no right to say no. This only got worse until late in the war where the Eastern Front was essentially a meat grinder.
They gave their lives to try to stop Bolshevism from sweeping across Europe.
Probably one of the saddest moments of any show…
If I'm Smith (Thomas father), I will never recover from that scene. The system he fanatically devoted his life and service was the reason why he lost his only son😂.
I mean, Thomas is the perfect son anybody can have. He is kind, restpectful, no arrogance, obedient and smart.
Man in the High Castle now:
Man in the High Castle later: We’ll take on this entire Nazi invasion force with our power of wokeness!
The ending was rushed and it fell victim to modern-day mainstream, left-wing propaganda.
@@monarchist1838 yep
@@monarchist1838 While I agree the ending* is stupid and the BCR is unnecessary in the first place. Do you extreme political bastards ever get tired of your “We are good, they evil” mentality? 🙄 Last time I check, all sides, left and right makes their own propaganda to gain influence. It seems that you are one of those people who have propaganda stained on your minds that you can’t even try to have a compromise with the other side and compare their ideals to yours and see which ones you’d agree or disagree on.
stop spewing your propaganda nonsense we are all tired of it
@@firemangan2731 the power dynamic shifts every decade when it comes to which side of the political spectrum are doing the most things that are against public interest or just plain stupid decisions that only get passed because “I have to stand united with my party” mentality. During the 80s up until the early 00s it was clearly the Evangelical Christians doing that, who were right-wing. Now it’s flipped and we are now seeing this from the left-wing with the Woke Progressives. You can say what you want about both sides being to blame and for sure, that’s true, but it isn’t equal in magnitude. Like I said, power dynamic changes rather slowly, but around a decade from now it flips again because people are completely fed up with the current status quo; you will see the right-wing become the boogeyman once again. Sad reality it is to be quite honest.
And it was probably a Tuesday.
I feel for Helen 😔
This was a great show!
I know it is not the way I should feel, in this scene, but his death, and the decision that lead to it, are increadibly heroic in my eyes. When I feel it, I don't feel sadness, but awe, for a man, no, a boy, who is greater than I could ever be
You're right.
He made the decision to remove himself from the gene pool himself, so that future generations would be healthier.
That's honorable.
@anonym Socrates willingly drank the hemlock poison after the DEMOCRACY voted to condemn him to DEATH for "corrupting the youth". Plato on the other hand died an OLD MAN in his 80s between 81 to 84. most historians claim that Plato died in his sleep quite unlike Socrates and completely different that Thomas Smith.
The world has gone mad.
@@thekingslady1 the world is an INANIMATE OBJECT. the "leaders" in the many nations of the world have often been insane, crazy maniacs drunk with the LUST FOR POWER over others. this is something that the author Philip K Dick often wrote about. as lord acton once said, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I can tell none of you have kids. At leas I hope not incase they ever become a burden to you
Why was he getting picked up? What were they going to do with him?
Kill him, he was a "drag on the state" at that point due to his condition. It was mentioned earlier in the series; they kill all of the unhealthy people. He knowingly turned himself in because he felt it was the right thing to do.
@@actualmemology7090 Seems like a bit of an overkill.. "Drag on the state"? Historical accuracy or fiction? Not trying to sound like a wehraboo, just thinking outside the box.
@@richhh9000 Historical fact. "Severely mentally and physically disabled people, as well as those perceived to have disabilities, were targeted because of Nazi beliefs that disabled people were a burden both to society and to the state. From 1939 to 1941 the Nazis carried out a programme of ‘euthanasia’, known as the T4 programme [...] In 1933 the ‘Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring’ was passed, allowing for the forced sterilisation of people with conditions such as epilepsy, schizophrenia and alcoholism. Prisons, nursing homes, asylums, care homes for the elderly and special schools were targeted to select people for sterilisation. [...] In 1939 the killing of disabled children and adults began. All children under the age of three who had illnesses or a disability, such as Down’s syndrome, or cerebral palsy were targeted under the T4 programme. [...] Following the outbreak of war in September 1939 the programme was expanded. Adults with disabilities, chronic illnesses, mental health problems and criminals who were not of German origin were included in the programme. Six killing centres were established to speed up the process - the previous methods of killing people by lethal injection or starvation were deemed too slow to cope with large numbers of adults. [...] It is estimated that close to 250,000 disabled people were murdered under the Nazi regime." www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/disabled-people/
@Bruh Moment ok but the Nazi army killed people who were disabled, they a targeted them
@Bruh Moment Sourced above. And there are numerous well-researched history books and websites out there, just type 'aktion t4' into your preferred search engine and you'll see. Disability discrimination was the norm back then, the Nazis just took it to its logical conclusion. Before the second world war, eugenics in the form of forced sterilisation of people with hereditary conditions thought undesirable was actually quite common in many developed countries (including the US and Canada). Winston Churchill was a proponent, however the bill to introduce it into UK law was thankfully defeated in parliament in 1913. Germany was a latecomer to the idea of compulsory sterilisation, it being outlawed under the Weimar Republic, and only introduced under Hitler. But within a few years of its introduction, preventing the disabled from breeding was no longer enough; their very existence had to be terminated.
There are many parallels between this scene and the one in season 4
Which episode is this?
What was on the tapes?
Using the East German strichtarn pattern for the American reich troops
I was so depressed when I watched this because it signified that Thomas was a good Nazi
I'm always confused at how they took armed soldiers to collect Thomas.
Most likely because normally when they go to collect someone, the victim isn’t going to go willingly and will try to put up a fight or make a run for it
@@cornnflaek6234 Well yeah but he was going willingly.
@@salag13 in case any family member refuses, like in this case
@@salag13 Someone may say they will go with no resistance when asked the day before, but changes their mind when the van shows up and reality hits.
It’s sad, they are being fixed and put down like animals😢😡
Wait so what happens to him now? Does he get experimented on or does he get executed?
He was executed.
Executed as all ppl with severe illnesses or disabled ppl were...anyone who would have been "burden to the state" so to speak....
Aktion T4 is what happened actually in Nazi Germany where by orders of Hitler they first started to execute disabled and mentally ill people before Final Solution/Holocaust.
That being said his body/organs were probably used by Nazi Reich for research purposes, propably that was part of the papers he signed
Isnt that east germany camouflage
yup
Why were they taking him?
He had a deteriorated disease and in that world, that disease was a reason to end his life for being "useless" to the reich
This show is only good if you don't know much about Ww2 imo, weird inaccuracies kill it for me
Yeah, it's meant to appeal to normies, even the premise is pretty stupid. Hitler didn't want to invade America, nor would it be possible at all.
I was hoping Kido’s son gets the same treatment since his father murdered so many people in the name of their so call Empire.
You're no better than the fascists if you wish someone death like that
@@Line_of_Sight Smith and Kido murdered so many people, i was talking about karma on both of them.
I thought the Kido story was good particularly toward the end of the series, him serving the Yukuza to save his son.
@@Line_of_Sight How could you side with a bastard who brutalised and slaughters so many innocent people in the Pacific States.
@@shawnofdanaukota3843 Just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i agree with them numbnuts
Thomas so foolish! His sisters may have the same genes. He exposed them too.
poor boy
xd
What they doing to him?
I love that the troops have medical patches on their uniforms. Literal weaponization of medicine.
What is happening in this scene
Im surprised he never wanted to say goodbye to his own dad; wasn't he his hero?
I'm certain if his dad was there, his dad would have attempted to overstep his authority to have Thomas released which would make the Reich lose trust in him.
DRENGR OF RAGNAROK
Did they give her a check
Probably just a receipt of Thomas signing the papers as proof of what happened.
This scene made the US thing seems cruel to take away 18 year old boys to wars simply because they signed a paper.
This kind of smothering maternal view is one of the core issues in America.
They have to go from being boys to men at some point, and nearly 2 decades of childhood is enough.
Our society insists on treating all young men as children, and then we are suprised when they live with their parents until they're 35.
@@texandominion5430 you don’t need to join the military to be a man lmao.
@@therookie8872 It certainly doesn't hurt to be taught discipline and hierarchy.
@@texandominion5430 our armed forces has the worst leadership and hierarchy right now in its history. No one will re enlist especially with senile Biden, and the NCO’s and general upper heads in the armed forces suck *ss, screwing over regular enlisted men all the time. You don’t need to be in the military for any of what you’ve said.
@@therookie8872 That's again a product of Liberalism and its smothering maternalism, seeping in and corrupting good institutions.
(Which is why one of the many reasons we need regime change.)
But *in principle*, the military is a core part of society and does the important job of forging young men into warriors.
Is that supposed to be gas van?
No
@@pxu_190 It looks odd. They don't need a vehicle that big for one person.
@@Thurisaz314159 probably an ambulance
Bruh a vasectomy could have solved the genetic problem
Helen was already pregnant with Thomas during the war. Thomas had already been born by the time the Axis powers won.
Thomas is literally me if I lived in ze Reich.
Tammm
What was wrong with his son?
He had a form of muscular dystrophy
@@jake.s7065 The Nazi Regime executed or in better ways sterilised people with Disabilities since they wanted a pure Germany with no disabilities, meaning that they did not want disabled people getting disabled children.
In a realistic situation Thomas would probably just get sterilised so he could not have children since he was the son of the Chief of the SS within the German Occupied West Coast. But I hope my comment gives you the answer you were looking for.
Political repression and censorship back when it was fiction
Yes, youre literally living in 1984 🤡
No child porn no sex with minors no illegal drugs and no illegal firearms in any nation or violence against women or children.
you alright there bud?
#post
Can I get a context
Edit: there is one reply but I can’t see it
He has a disease so the Reich sees him as an undesirable. They're taking him away to be put down so he can't poison the white race.
Rufus Sewell was the worst actor to pick for John Smith.
He doesn't even look American. He looks extremely, 1000% British.
American Whites have Anglo-Saxon or Germanic blood. For this reason, there is no race type specific to America.
They're from the government and they're here to help.
That's so US Navy mentality.
Orderly was left handed. Just sayin
I don't think they would see that as big enough of a flaw to kill someone. They'd probably frown on it though.
COVID vaccination walk
Yup soon they’ll make it mandatory, Kamala and Biden will proudly wipe their ass with our Bill of Rights. It’s amusing how the manufacturer of Covid, China, receives no blame. The Wuhan Institute of Virology created this, with funding from us...
@Connor Kubischta take the walk connor
@Connor Kubischta My god you lefties are so incredibly weak. Everyone not sharing your views is a “Nazi,” “Wayyycist,” etc. Coming from you, those words are compliments. Thank you.
@Connor Kubischta Another compliment. Thank you
You know someone died of the vaccine
And so the man who refused the Covid jab was led away.
oh stfu
STFU
True though lol
🤡
This is what American employers expect workers to do for their profit margins.
Exactly. Glad someone else made that connection.
It's funny because I don't know him.
1800th like haha
This is an inspiring display of courage. Thomas refuses to accept comfort and weakness; he chooses the right path, not the easy one, so that the Reich's commitment to purity need not be compromised. If only-- *if only*-- we had this world, instead of the degeneracy that we do. Alas, we're a dissipated people; we have the society we deserve.
What a good son, during his duty.
I would've been proud of him.
I would have done the same thing in his position, no doubt.
smh. how ridiculous. they would of sterilized him. not put him down. such a stupid show lol
A lot of disabled people WERE put down