@@freedom2663 During the Philippines campaign, the overall Japanese commander in the Philippines (who was an Army man) ordered his forces to abandon the cites including Manila so that they could operate a defense in the countryside. There was a Naval base in Manila whose commander decided to ignore that order and decided to fight it out, which led to the deaths of thousands of people. There are more but this case was one that immediately sprung to mind.
I'm more concerned that IJA Officers are doing a court martial for an IJN Admiral. I cannot imagine how riled up the IJN must be when they find out one of their distinguished admirals is being sentenced to death by the Army!
Yeah this was a concern brought up by Kido earlier, he said the Admiral should be sent back to Japan to face a Naval tribunal. General Yamori knew the charges wouldn't stick and forced the hearing to be held here.
Even today JGSDF and JMSDF still hate each other, not the point sabotaging each other like in WW2, it just run in their blood. I know there are people says "they no longer do that, that's all in the past", but, how many yearly combined arms training they did? It's definitely not "yearly" it's almost once in a decade...
This was one of the things that actually used to happen during the 1930s the rivalry between the IJN and IJA was so fierce that they would do there own things without consulting eachother the IJN multiple times assassinated the prime minister of Japan the IJA tried to do a coup multiple times the IJA went and invaded china without permission this is one of the things the show got accurate the rivalry between the two branches
They once war gamed a few of the Japanese engagements and found that if the various sides worked together, the Us would have lost dozens of ships and countless lives.
@@black10872 That is not what was stated at all. You're the only one to bring up the German side of History in a video and comment specifically regarding the Japanese. This is what is known as a Red Herring Fallacy.
@@radhominem the main comment indicates to Japan's self destructive ways in which the Japanese Army and Navy had different policy's and political objectives. The German military didn't have political infighting like Japan did. However, the NAZI leadership was self destructive as well. They did went after each others necks to obtain political power and influence very similar to how the Romans did thousands of years ago.
Sometimes I'm admired with the historical innacuracies made by the writers: The IJA kidnapped and tried to execute an Admiral despite the fact the IJN had an entire battlefleet, a Yamato class and aircraft carriers included, and a whole detachment of marine infantry in the West Coast. And most importantly: without asking the Emperor nor, at least, the Imperial Court. That would have sparked a battle between the two forces, to say the least.
you must not know a single thing about japan in WWII. The Navy and Army were consistently fighting each other, maybe not literally but politically. They absolutely despised each other and did not cooperate a single bit.
@@xyeahtony1 Thats literally the point the OP is making. That the two factions loathed each other yet the IJA were able to capture and IJN admiral whilst the IJN fleet is sitting in harbour and no reprisals occur despite the fact that they undoubtedly have the superior position. Seems a bit of a contradiction doesn't it.
You're all missing one point. This is am alternate history show. Perhaps the reason Japan won in this shows universe is because of the fundamental differences in their culture compared to our history in our universe. So the IJN let the admiral be kidnapped in this universe because they have at a fundamental level an obedience to authority. This obedience is what causes them to win. Whereas in our universe the lack of cohesion and obedience to a higher military authority caused them to lose.
They look the same, not being racist. The only difference in people in South East Asia is Language, religion, and cultural. They overall share similar appearances.
@@KB9813 hahaha, I'm guessing you've never lived for any substantial time in Asia? If you live here long enough, you'd notice subtle differences in appearence that lets you fairly accurately discern between the different countries. Even if they're Korean, Chinese or Japanese. I'm sure that any European would be able to tell the difference between a German, a Ukrainian and Serbian in the same regard
@@KB9813 Well the Philippines is a sort of melting pot of Asia, so a lot of Filipinos have intermixed with other Asian ethnicities. I'm Filipino but I have "Chinese features" according to my friends, even though I have no immediate lineage to any Chinese ancestry I know of. Probably happened somewhere long ago in my bloodline which can't be traced anymore. I've visited countries like Japan and was mistaken on several occasions by the locals as Chinese, as they would greet me with "Ni Hao" (hello in Chinese) only for me to respond "Sorry! I don't understand". It's much easier tho to distinguish the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans because they usually marry within their country so it keeps the genetics within their boundaries, but the Philippines is genuinely accepting of foreigners intermarrying in our culture, we've sort of adopted a lot of the genetic traits of our neighbours which is probably why you think it can be hard to distinguish if someone is "Filipino" to someone who is playing a Japanese person.
@@zenhoflich1662 "I'm sure that any European would be able to tell the difference between a German, a Ukrainian and Serbian in the same regard" As a German with tons of Hungarian, Polish, Ukrainian, etc. coworkers, that's blatant nonsense.
How is it that an Imperial Navy officer ist judged by an Army Court? The Japanese Armed Services liked each other about as much as they liked the Americans.
For those who don't know, The room was the General's office that was hastily converted into a courtroom. The Admiral is being court-martialed by the IJA because the General wanted to implicate the Admiral for treason to hide his own involvement in killing the Trade Minister. So he makes haste of a trial before the Admiral could be transported back to Tokyo to face a Navy Court-martial. The Admiral requested multiple times of his right to face a Navy court-martial but all was dismissed by the General. Even the Crown Princess came to support the Admiral since they were close friends, but the general sent the Crown Princess to her room and cut her phone lines so she couldn't contact Tokyo. The general did all of this so that the Japanese Empire would stay in the United States as the Admiral and the Crown Princess were both advocates for withdrawing from the American territory.
When we learn about history, this kind of tale is not unique, but to think of what really went on, how it was/is portrayed in the past and today… we learn that even the powerful can become powerless and how important it is to give power to the ones who have the best interest for the people. #Human #Nation #Mission #Strategy #Loyalty So many broken hearts.👑🎖️
For those complaining about the language, you have to remember, most of the actors in the show do not even understand their respective languages. You might be surprised that the actor that played Inspector Kido is Filipino-American, and knows no Japanese afaik. Its even a relief to see them speak in their respective languages but to expect the show to speak their respective language all the time is a bit nonsensical and impractical. We watched the show for entertainment and not to learn about history, its a goddamn alt hist show.
2:33 Goes to show that Kido isn't the heartless guy we thought him to be when the show began. He looks like he's on the brink of tears holding Tagomi's glasses. He respects and likes those he works with, he has men loyal to him through respect instead of just duty, hell even he and Smith have a cordial relationship that stems from not just being the head of their secret police units for their departments in the US.
Even fascist peons are just people with their own integrity and loyalties. If it was the Black Panthers trying one of their own framed for conspiracy, there might’ve been someone playing Kido’s role here going along and trying one last time to demand the trial be aborted. And either way the Japanese General said “no” which is final so Kido has to sit down, be quiet and watch his coworker will be painfully killed for the one crime out of many that he _didn’t_ commit so all of his other coworkers have an excuse to have their own Holocaust against black people in the name of colonial replacement and just accept it. He can’t go “wait, the killer is in the room with us I have his confession”.
@@ini_tials many other don't share the same opinion though. If you want a show to be in a different language just because you think it's realistic. You're disregarding many others that want to experience a show without having to read the subtitles, which in this case is the majority of the viewers as this show is targeted towards english speaking viewers.
@@yuhangzhang2216 they should make 2 series’s one for people like you and another for people like me who want to hear them speak what they would’ve spoken irl
How this actually would have went down: IJA: "We hereby sentence you to execution by fir-" IJN: *bombards all IJA buildings and emplacements with the Yamato's 18 inch cannons*
*In Japanese military custom, only someone of the same or higher rank can perform an execution, even if it is an enemy* ( *Someone 'didn't do their homework'* )
@@Paragon231 *I use 'Western' designations for ease of understandability rather than Eastern because some 'Ranks in Japan and China are difficult to translate into modern designations of 'Rank'* ( *For instance, in terms of rank and authority Goering was second only to Hitler himself and could issue orders to any 'Field Marshal' since 'Reich Marshal' is a military designation that applies to all military forces* )
In the rest of the world (or at least the Commonwealth) you get a ribbon for a campaign, or for being a total fucking badass (bronze stars for valour and higher). The decorations are worth more then.
Often times they are highly decorated, however regulations does allow you to only wear the highest awards. Say you had 20 ribbons/medals, that’s way too much on the chest for everyday wear, they could opt to only go with the 6 highest ones.
He's not American, Russian, or North Korean where a medal is given out for getting out of bed each day. Real militaries tend to require you to actually *do* something before they hand out a medal. Yamamoto, for example, had fewer than 20 decorations and that included his general war and action medals for simply being present in certain times/places. The ones he did have really *meant* something.
A firing squad is a meaningful distinction from other methods of execution. The US military gave the same courtesy to the Japanese commander that US propaganda had identified as responsible for the Bataan death march.
I guess in this timeline, the emperor had a big sit with the admirals and the generals. Not sure how else these guys are putting each other on trial without anyone getting massacred.
Thank God he didn't die in the end otherwise the IJN would've completely obliterated the IJA into oblivion once they found out they executed one of their admirals without their knowledge
As far as the comments about the plausibility of an Army court marshal trying an Admiral in Imperial Japan, this inter-service antipathy isn't contradicted by the episodes plot. Firstly its important to remember that General Yamori is not trying him in his capacity as an Army Commander but as the Governor-General of the Japanese-Pacific-States, a Dependency of Japan whose leaders operate with near-autonomy from Tokyo which the show has depicted before on multiple occasions. Just like the historical Governor-General of Korea, Yamori is a plenipotentiary appointed by the Emperor, as he alludes to when he called the court marshal to order, and he is within his rights to try anyone in the JPS. Secondly there are some throw away lines in the episode indicating that Yamori is doing this quickly and out of the public eye so as not to provoke a coup from the Navy, he expects when it is revealed he executed an Admiral in some kangaroo court there will be a reckoning with the IJN but he later explained that he expected Hirohito to intercede on his behalf to secure his position after he explained his motivations.
Technically he wouldn't. Even in the show chief inspector Kido said the admiral should be sent to Japan to face a Naval tribunal. This wasn't a real hearing though, this was General Yamori trying to frame the Admiral for his crimes.
In the show, the general was trying to get rid of the Admiral because the Admiral wanted to peacefully withdraw from the United States. Even Kido was concerned and pointed out to the general that the IJN would be enraged once they found out.
Bold of them to asume the yamato would be shelling the IJA or that Taihou Jets wouldnt be Bombing the shit out of the IJA for putting their hands on an admiral
@@generictotheextreme2566 really? I thought they were hunting down illegal movies to stop US from rising up against Japan and Germany. I thought around season 3 it was turning into Sci fi
@@nandinhocunha440 And where did those illegal movies come from? they all came from the other universe. Alternative history as a genre is mostly grouped under science fiction anyway.
The last 2 seasons play out like they were written by a 7th grader with a passing interest in history. It's frustrating how profound they felt the messages were, even as the inaccuracies canceled it out
@@paulrasmussen8953 in our timeline yes but in the book and the series America was pretty cripple when the Reich attacked, America never recover from the great depression so they never land lease or help the British then japan attack a isolated America that cant do much from there failing state and get the carrier fleet blown up at midway so japan never get there setback in the pacific its culminate whit the nuclear bombing of Washington so they capitulated when the German came to America they first did as rebuilder pretty much like what the us did in our timeline in Europe so the people that where in a dying economy on the verge of famine for decade pretty fast switched there allegiance and the remnant and resistance try to fought from 45 to 47 but where crushed be a superiors German army
@aoki6332 big thing though. That is what happened in real life . The war got us out of the depression. Not before. And again the best the reich can do is secure europe. Maybe later a war against the us. And for japan the best they were planning was secure various islands never the us.
I hate Amazon for ending the show at the point where it shouldn't have been ended... Amazon tends to cancel the shows in between the production, going back to Netflix.
The basic fallacy about this series is that it's based on a false premise: that the Nazis and Japanese desired and had the means to conquer the world. The Nazis did not think in Geo-political terms but Eurocentrically. Hitler thought in World War One terms, seeing the conquest of France and Russia as his ultimate war aims. The Nazis had no workable plan for even invading England and put no real energy into it. Nor did they have a navy capable of crossing the Atlantic against an America with three times their industrial plant. Hitler feared America. Similarly the Japanese limited their war aims to co-opting southeast Asia and China into their Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. They had no wish to go after America and could not support a cross-Pacific invasion of America with their minuscule industrial plant, barely 10% of America's. World conquest by the Nazis and Japan was simply not possible given the political-economy of their nations. But it's a nice and entertaining fantasy, which is what Hollywood is all about.
That is correct, World War 2 was so one sided it isn't even funny, any of the three superpowers at the time could defeat the axis on their own given time. Both, the British Empire, United States and the Soviet Union outproduced the axis industrially, economically and had overwhelming superiority in resources in manpower. With enough time, any of them could mobilise enough troops to invade and rescue Europe on their own, Japan wasn't even a real threat, their troops got pinned down in China and Burma.
@@jonataspereira1691 The UK would probably have lost the will for a full blown campaign of reconquest settling instead for a negociated solution. The British Empire lost 550k soldiers in the war. If it hasn't been for US and Soviet troops we can easily assume much higher losses. 10 times higher at least. Obviously many of these would have had to be subjects from the colonies. Its one thing to expect British India to sustain a war which cost it 80k quite another 1 million or more. The soviets and the americans could likely have won the war alone but the British Empire would have sustained losses at too great a scale for what was ultimately an Empire with quite loose loyalty to the Crown. At the end of the day going it alone would have proved self defeating. Even if you won the losses sustained would have been so great any will left for postwar relevancy would be gone.
@@florinivan6907 I believe the British Empire has the manpower to win the war, While the imperial authority wasnt quite the same like in the great war, but I believe they can make It easily by promising independence after the war, which is what they did to India.
@@jonataspereira1691 Maybe but first of all promising postwar independence is something the UK only wanted to give India and that was barely given in the first place. Secondly recruiting millions of natives from the various colonies would almost certainly lead to riots and uprisings. In real life the British Empire had significant difficulty in recruiting the needed numbers. If the numbers recruited had been far higher you can be certain local tensions would have exploded. The Empire was not Nazi Germany but a massive conscription campaign among suspicious natives would likely have backfired. Especially once the brutal discipline of the Army became known even more so since nonwhite soldiers by default were treated worse than white ones visibly worse. Even dominions would have difficulty maintaining their commitment. All the dominions mobilised about as much as they could in real life. In a scenario in which the UK is alone the dominions would be pushed beyond their limits.
@@florinivan6907 In real life the british Empire recruited most of its strength from the home Islands itself and the culturally alike dominions, while refusing to arm large quantities of colonial troops, I believe they had at most 5 Million colonial troops in the 6 years of the war, most of which came from India. But that happened because the government chose to do so, there were many people in Churchill's cabinets and many generals like Harold Alexander who supported conscription in the entire british Empire.
just watched "Tokyo Vice" and it made me wonder how the heck can HBO make their actors learn Japanese speak fluently with the correct pronunciation and not a "faux accent" while Amazon Prime can't. Both shows reportedly have around the same budget of 70-100 million dollar lol.
I presume this should be in Japanese?! Japan’s military (in reality 1930s and up to September 1945) was run in those days on a British military structure and the Japanese admired the Royal Navy especially. He actually would have had a Japanese Navy trial judged by the highest admirals! No Japanese army involvement!
@@Vistresian1941 the cast are mainly Americans, most of the actors depicted here don't speak Japanese fluently. Better to speak understandable English than horrible Japanese
@@Warrior.17 it was possible, at least knowing how much the IJA and IJN hated each other to the point of having different ships, equipment and air forces.
I've never seen this series, only a number of clips like this one. Question. Why is the atmosphere so dark and why, if my perspective is correct, why aren't the Nazis and Japanese enjoying their conquest?
The West coast of the US refused to accept being occupied and there was a strong revolutionary movement that required the Japanese to be continually trying to stamp it out, so they couldn't "enjoy" what they conquered. That and almost as soon as the war ended, the Japanese and Germans were essentially in a state of cold war.
I know the entire show is fictional, exaggerated and taking countless liberties. But deep down I still felt those two peoples (Germans and Japanese), brilliant as they were with many admirable traits, are nonetheless utterly unsuited to building empires. They don't even make efforts to hide their superiority complex.
Rome also wasnt only honey and milk, same goes for the mongols. When you want to build an empire that lasts, you need a higher purpose and undermine any rivals through fear
This show had so much potential, you know instead of employing crappy Americans speaking German and Japanese, they could have just had the supposed Germans and Japanese speak English with an accent, if they didn't want to bother. Or consequentially have them speak their languages properly and whenever it would have been realistic (as in Inglorious Bastard for example). And of course, the whole SJW resistance thing needs to be cut back, but oh well, to whom am I preaching...
日本人だけど、初めて観た。日本が第二次世界大戦で勝つ世界なの？おもしろうそうなので観てみたい。 I am Japanese and I watched this video for the first time.Is this a world where Japan will win World War II? It looks interesting and I would like to watch it.
The only reason I didn't like this show was cause the Japanese legitimately had zero chance of beating America like actually zero. Even in some alternate timeline just would not have happened
@Joshua Payne definitely not significantly if you compare even just tanks. Japanese just had a powerful navy. Now had pearl harbor gone to plan. Possibly. But after that blunder it was done and most of the Japanese leadership knew it but the emperor was on a death March for power.
@@ArcLight726 I know people like alternative takes on reality but really one where the Fucking Nazi won WW2 my grandfather and his brother both fought in this war to prevent such a future and then Amazon has the audacity to make this show it’s pretty much a kick in the gut to the generation who fought to secure peace if anything the shows writer needs to be shot for making something that is so unamerican and disgusting
Id say the opposite, it should make you cherish their legacy and sacrifice even more. if they hadnt fought, and died for the victory. this sort of shit would be reality and not a conjured fantasy on a video screen.
I think this show would have been a lot better if they skipped the alternate reality portion, save the few recordings that showed up by mysterious circumstances to create tension and doubt.
The IJN would be shelling the IJA for even taking their Admiral captive.
@Negro Mando yeah, it got to the point where screwing each other over was seemingly more important than you know actually winning the war.
That is why the Special Naval Landing Force was formed!
@@MrPolicekarim precisely! The army also had their own aircraft carrier (The Akitsu maru) and ships seperate from the Navy.
@@spacemarinechaplain9367 Examples for those of use who are less knowledgeable?
@@freedom2663 During the Philippines campaign, the overall Japanese commander in the Philippines (who was an Army man) ordered his forces to abandon the cites including Manila so that they could operate a defense in the countryside. There was a Naval base in Manila whose commander decided to ignore that order and decided to fight it out, which led to the deaths of thousands of people. There are more but this case was one that immediately sprung to mind.
I'm more concerned that IJA Officers are doing a court martial for an IJN Admiral. I cannot imagine how riled up the IJN must be when they find out one of their distinguished admirals is being sentenced to death by the Army!
Yeah this was a concern brought up by Kido earlier, he said the Admiral should be sent back to Japan to face a Naval tribunal. General Yamori knew the charges wouldn't stick and forced the hearing to be held here.
Yeah, they fucking hated each other lol
Even today JGSDF and JMSDF still hate each other, not the point sabotaging each other like in WW2, it just run in their blood. I know there are people says "they no longer do that, that's all in the past", but, how many yearly combined arms training they did? It's definitely not "yearly" it's almost once in a decade...
This was one of the things that actually used to happen during the 1930s the rivalry between the IJN and IJA was so fierce that they would do there own things without consulting eachother the IJN multiple times assassinated the prime minister of Japan the IJA tried to do a coup multiple times the IJA went and invaded china without permission this is one of the things the show got accurate the rivalry between the two branches
They once war gamed a few of the Japanese engagements and found that if the various sides worked together, the Us would have lost dozens of ships and countless lives.
I love how the IJ are shown as Completely self-destructive, very accurate to History.
Army hating the Navy is canon
And you think the NAZI's were not self destructive as well?
@@black10872 That is not what was stated at all. You're the only one to bring up the German side of History in a video and comment specifically regarding the Japanese. This is what is known as a Red Herring Fallacy.
@@radhominem the main comment indicates to Japan's self destructive ways in which the Japanese Army and Navy had different policy's and political objectives. The German military didn't have political infighting like Japan did. However, the NAZI leadership was self destructive as well. They did went after each others necks to obtain political power and influence very similar to how the Romans did thousands of years ago.
@@black10872 someones got a grudge huh, you enjoy just bringing up entirely irrelevant stuff and being an ass or what?
The man in the high takeshi's castle
damn this made my day!
Sometimes I'm admired with the historical innacuracies made by the writers: The IJA kidnapped and tried to execute an Admiral despite the fact the IJN had an entire battlefleet, a Yamato class and aircraft carriers included, and a whole detachment of marine infantry in the West Coast. And most importantly: without asking the Emperor nor, at least, the Imperial Court. That would have sparked a battle between the two forces, to say the least.
you must not know a single thing about japan in WWII. The Navy and Army were consistently fighting each other, maybe not literally but politically. They absolutely despised each other and did not cooperate a single bit.
@@xyeahtony1 Thats literally the point the OP is making. That the two factions loathed each other yet the IJA were able to capture and IJN admiral whilst the IJN fleet is sitting in harbour and no reprisals occur despite the fact that they undoubtedly have the superior position. Seems a bit of a contradiction doesn't it.
Well that wasn't really the point of the show to begin with.
You're all missing one point. This is am alternate history show. Perhaps the reason Japan won in this shows universe is because of the fundamental differences in their culture compared to our history in our universe. So the IJN let the admiral be kidnapped in this universe because they have at a fundamental level an obedience to authority. This obedience is what causes them to win. Whereas in our universe the lack of cohesion and obedience to a higher military authority caused them to lose.
@@JohnDoe69986 nah it's just called bad writing
it's amazing when you realize that the actor who played inspector kido is a filipino.
Same with actor for himmler being American he does a pretty good German accent
They look the same, not being racist. The only difference in people in South East Asia is Language, religion, and cultural. They overall share similar appearances.
@@KB9813 hahaha, I'm guessing you've never lived for any substantial time in Asia? If you live here long enough, you'd notice subtle differences in appearence that lets you fairly accurately discern between the different countries. Even if they're Korean, Chinese or Japanese. I'm sure that any European would be able to tell the difference between a German, a Ukrainian and Serbian in the same regard
@@KB9813 Well the Philippines is a sort of melting pot of Asia, so a lot of Filipinos have intermixed with other Asian ethnicities. I'm Filipino but I have "Chinese features" according to my friends, even though I have no immediate lineage to any Chinese ancestry I know of. Probably happened somewhere long ago in my bloodline which can't be traced anymore.
I've visited countries like Japan and was mistaken on several occasions by the locals as Chinese, as they would greet me with "Ni Hao" (hello in Chinese) only for me to respond "Sorry! I don't understand".
It's much easier tho to distinguish the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans because they usually marry within their country so it keeps the genetics within their boundaries, but the Philippines is genuinely accepting of foreigners intermarrying in our culture, we've sort of adopted a lot of the genetic traits of our neighbours which is probably why you think it can be hard to distinguish if someone is "Filipino" to someone who is playing a Japanese person.
@@zenhoflich1662 "I'm sure that any European would be able to tell the difference between a German, a Ukrainian and Serbian in the same regard"
As a German with tons of Hungarian, Polish, Ukrainian, etc. coworkers, that's blatant nonsense.
"Put some vaguely Japanese stuff in the background"
The 2 huge Nioh like figures... putting them in a room this way is totally against the Japanese aesthetics. That feels so crude and unsophisticated.
Man stop complaining and just enjoy the show.
@@JackoJ15 I mUsT coNsuME
@@alex-qd4oz Try again. You could maybe sound intelligent if you keep trying. Im willing to give you a second chance.
@@JackoJ15 are you deranged? “Second chance” what are you gonna do? Insult his mother? 🦍
How is it that an Imperial Navy officer ist judged by an Army Court? The Japanese Armed Services liked each other about as much as they liked the Americans.
The IJA had some sort of rivalry with the IJN. This happens irl too
@@sussusamogus3197 They did not have a rivalry they hated each others guts. They were very close to fighting each other.
@@TheNecromancer6666 Thats the whole point if you actually watched the episode they wanted a unfair trial for the guy
How about you watch the show instead of talking out of your ass?
If you guys don’t f*cking like the show, get tfo
For those who don't know,
The room was the General's office that was hastily converted into a courtroom.
The Admiral is being court-martialed by the IJA because the General wanted to implicate the Admiral for treason to hide his own involvement in killing the Trade Minister. So he makes haste of a trial before the Admiral could be transported back to Tokyo to face a Navy Court-martial.
The Admiral requested multiple times of his right to face a Navy court-martial but all was dismissed by the General. Even the Crown Princess came to support the Admiral since they were close friends, but the general sent the Crown Princess to her room and cut her phone lines so she couldn't contact Tokyo.
The general did all of this so that the Japanese Empire would stay in the United States as the Admiral and the Crown Princess were both advocates for withdrawing from the American territory.
When we learn about history, this kind of tale is not unique, but to think of what really went on, how it was/is portrayed in the past and today… we learn that even the powerful can become powerless and how important it is to give power to the ones who have the best interest for the people. #Human #Nation #Mission #Strategy #Loyalty So many broken hearts.👑🎖️
who cares, its a shit show
For those complaining about the language, you have to remember, most of the actors in the show do not even understand their respective languages. You might be surprised that the actor that played Inspector Kido is Filipino-American, and knows no Japanese afaik.
Its even a relief to see them speak in their respective languages but to expect the show to speak their respective language all the time is a bit nonsensical and impractical. We watched the show for entertainment and not to learn about history, its a goddamn alt hist show.
Yes and because is in english, we latinos can enjoy and learn this story from japan, in my country, this movie never was mentioned.
This is not about learning history. It's about authenticity
Meryl Streep learnt Polish to be Zofia from Sophie choice
@@aleksandralis9134 that's ONE actress, not an entire cast + xtras
Damn he peenoise, no wonder he sounds South East Asian than Japanese
2:33 Goes to show that Kido isn't the heartless guy we thought him to be when the show began. He looks like he's on the brink of tears holding Tagomi's glasses. He respects and likes those he works with, he has men loyal to him through respect instead of just duty, hell even he and Smith have a cordial relationship that stems from not just being the head of their secret police units for their departments in the US.
In case you forgot how he gassed a woman and her 2 children, then yeah. There's no black and white, only grey.
Even fascist peons are just people with their own integrity and loyalties. If it was the Black Panthers trying one of their own framed for conspiracy, there might’ve been someone playing Kido’s role here going along and trying one last time to demand the trial be aborted. And either way the Japanese General said “no” which is final so Kido has to sit down, be quiet and watch his coworker will be painfully killed for the one crime out of many that he _didn’t_ commit so all of his other coworkers have an excuse to have their own Holocaust against black people in the name of colonial replacement and just accept it. He can’t go “wait, the killer is in the room with us I have his confession”.
I like how English became the National Language of Japan
It’s pretty inconsistent too, sometimes the Germans and Japanese speak their native languages and sometimes they don’t
You really want a whole show with just subtitles
@@yuhangzhang2216 yes because realistic
@@ini_tials many other don't share the same opinion though. If you want a show to be in a different language just because you think it's realistic. You're disregarding many others that want to experience a show without having to read the subtitles, which in this case is the majority of the viewers as this show is targeted towards english speaking viewers.
@@yuhangzhang2216 they should make 2 series’s one for people like you and another for people like me who want to hear them speak what they would’ve spoken irl
How this actually would have went down:
IJA: "We hereby sentence you to execution by fir-"
IJN: *bombards all IJA buildings and emplacements with the Yamato's 18 inch cannons*
*In Japanese military custom, only someone of the same or higher rank can perform an execution, even if it is an enemy* ( *Someone 'didn't do their homework'* )
In navy military, what would be a higher rank than Admiral?
@@tudy32 *'Fleet Admiral' is a 'higher rank' in which one is chosen to direct operations of an entire Naval group*
@@gerrynightingale9045 Marshal Admiral in Imperial Japan.
@@Paragon231 *I use 'Western' designations for ease of understandability rather than Eastern
because some 'Ranks in Japan and China are difficult to translate into modern designations of 'Rank'*
( *For instance, in terms of rank and authority Goering was second only to Hitler himself
and could issue orders to any 'Field Marshal' since 'Reich Marshal' is a military designation that applies to all military forces* )
@@gerrynightingale9045 Understandable.
An amazing example of inter-service cooperation!
Almost UNBELIEVABLE, one could say
Literally incredible!
Nah, actually very realistic. The army and navy hated eachother on a level that would rival the blood and the crips.
@@Paragon231 yes, I was being sarcastic
The issues of factionalism in the Imperial military would of eventually resolved itself
@@kekistaniempire8910 if they'd won, the army would have been "vindicated" but those dudes sure fucking hated each other
For an admiral, his chest lacks decorations. Only 2 1/2 rows?
In the rest of the world (or at least the Commonwealth) you get a ribbon for a campaign, or for being a total fucking badass (bronze stars for valour and higher). The decorations are worth more then.
Often times they are highly decorated, however regulations does allow you to only wear the highest awards. Say you had 20 ribbons/medals, that’s way too much on the chest for everyday wear, they could opt to only go with the 6 highest ones.
All, some, or none?
He's not American, Russian, or North Korean where a medal is given out for getting out of bed each day. Real militaries tend to require you to actually *do* something before they hand out a medal. Yamamoto, for example, had fewer than 20 decorations and that included his general war and action medals for simply being present in certain times/places. The ones he did have really *meant* something.
A firing squad is a meaningful distinction from other methods of execution. The US military gave the same courtesy to the Japanese commander that US propaganda had identified as responsible for the Bataan death march.
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Why couldn't you put this video and the other where the Admiral is "executed" in the same video? Copyright claims?
Yes ! Exactly
"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." BOOM!
I guess in this timeline, the emperor had a big sit with the admirals and the generals. Not sure how else these guys are putting each other on trial without anyone getting massacred.
I see that in this alternate universe american culture influenced Japanese culture so there are now Japanese weebs for america
There are in our timeline too, cowboys are more popular in Japan than samurai and ninjas here
kido...the most beautifully fleshed out character in the series
I love how this show is mostly American actors trying to speak either Japanese or German and German and Japanese actors trying to speak English
This show effectively butchered and or disrespected every language present.
The admiralty and all the warships and battleships stationed in the bay upon hearing the news of their Admirals execution: *COWABUNGA IT IS*
*"You've chosen... death"*
I don't think it occurred to the writers that "military court-martial" is a redundant phrase
A lot of things didn’t occur to them, evidently.
after seeing seasons 3 & 4, redundant phrasing is the least of this shows problems.
The man in the badly lit castle.
😂
A straight up *WTF* moment.
“I convene this military court martial.”
As opposed to a civilian court martial?
That is the proper phrase, military court martial.
Thank God he didn't die in the end otherwise the IJN would've completely obliterated the IJA into oblivion once they found out they executed one of their admirals without their knowledge
When I found out about a conspiracy to raid my server from my admins: 3:43
Lol
Discord moment
Just like japanese court rooms today little has changed if they think you are guilty you are or otherwise they "persuade you" to confess
its amazing how there were no Naval guys besides the Admiral present, and it was only Army officers at the court martial, would make it so unfair
As far as the comments about the plausibility of an Army court marshal trying an Admiral in Imperial Japan, this inter-service antipathy isn't contradicted by the episodes plot. Firstly its important to remember that General Yamori is not trying him in his capacity as an Army Commander but as the Governor-General of the Japanese-Pacific-States, a Dependency of Japan whose leaders operate with near-autonomy from Tokyo which the show has depicted before on multiple occasions. Just like the historical Governor-General of Korea, Yamori is a plenipotentiary appointed by the Emperor, as he alludes to when he called the court marshal to order, and he is within his rights to try anyone in the JPS. Secondly there are some throw away lines in the episode indicating that Yamori is doing this quickly and out of the public eye so as not to provoke a coup from the Navy, he expects when it is revealed he executed an Admiral in some kangaroo court there will be a reckoning with the IJN but he later explained that he expected Hirohito to intercede on his behalf to secure his position after he explained his motivations.
When the Lawful Good character is *actually* lawful good.
That’s a really cool Chick-fil-A arm-band
No comments about that the general also play as a shogun in Red Alert 3?
Or how he was an android in the third Robocop movie.
So why is the IJA allowed the authority to court martial and then execute someone from the IJN?
not just someone, but an admiral too, i wonder if in real world an admiral would just be summoned to an ordinary court martial....
@@firstcedric8129 an admiral would be judged by the emperor himself
Technically he wouldn't. Even in the show chief inspector Kido said the admiral should be sent to Japan to face a Naval tribunal. This wasn't a real hearing though, this was General Yamori trying to frame the Admiral for his crimes.
In the show, the general was trying to get rid of the Admiral because the Admiral wanted to peacefully withdraw from the United States. Even Kido was concerned and pointed out to the general that the IJN would be enraged once they found out.
What? No seppuku?
Seppuku is when you know you have failed and disgraced yourself. He was innocent and they knew it too.
Only when you failed at your duty. Inokuchi did nothing wrong.
@@marlondavis1230 Some samurai would kill themselves simply because they were told to by the Emperor.
Usually, in this kind of a situation, the admiral would be handed a pistol casually, and he will take his life to avoid the humiliation.
Bold of them to asume the yamato would be shelling the IJA or that Taihou Jets wouldnt be Bombing the shit out of the IJA for putting their hands on an admiral
I like how German they make these Japanese soldiers, same marching style, arm bands and basically iron crosses on this necks
Japanese have a distinct marching style themselves they are very disciplined
Lol yeah. But in a way Imperial Japan was kind of like the Nazi Germany of Asia for us asians at the time.
Court martial
Accused: Navy officer
Presiding Committee: All are Army officers
Security: Army soldiers
Navy: WTF
What happened to this show? Seasons 1-2 were great. Season 3 was bearable. Season 4 just felt off.
I agree, it went downhill when they turn into Sci fi.
@@nandinhocunha440 it was always sci fi tho.....
@@generictotheextreme2566 really? I thought they were hunting down illegal movies to stop US from rising up against Japan and Germany. I thought around season 3 it was turning into Sci fi
@@nandinhocunha440 And where did those illegal movies come from? they all came from the other universe. Alternative history as a genre is mostly grouped under science fiction anyway.
The last 2 seasons play out like they were written by a 7th grader with a passing interest in history. It's frustrating how profound they felt the messages were, even as the inaccuracies canceled it out
From the start it is written by a 7 th grader. Neither japan or tge reich have the ability to occupy America. Force a peace yes but not occupy
@@paulrasmussen8953 in our timeline yes but in the book and the series America was pretty cripple when the Reich attacked, America never recover from the great depression so they never land lease or help the British then japan attack a isolated America that cant do much from there failing state and get the carrier fleet blown up at midway so japan never get there setback in the pacific its culminate whit the nuclear bombing of Washington so they capitulated when the German came to America they first did as rebuilder pretty much like what the us did in our timeline in Europe so the people that where in a dying economy on the verge of famine for decade pretty fast switched there allegiance and the remnant and resistance try to fought from 45 to 47 but where crushed be a superiors German army
@aoki6332 big thing though. That is what happened in real life . The war got us out of the depression. Not before. And again the best the reich can do is secure europe. Maybe later a war against the us. And for japan the best they were planning was secure various islands never the us.
Too raw!
Exactly. Amateur time, apparently.
I really have to see this series. Looks very good.
Season 1 and 2 are. Season 3 is meh, and season 4 is rushed
@@camerongreene3357 s1 and 2 amazing world class plots tbh
S3 and 4 meh, s4 ending bad
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I hate Amazon for ending the show at the point where it shouldn't have been ended... Amazon tends to cancel the shows in between the production, going back to Netflix.
I knew the general passing the sentence looked familiar. He played Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat Conquest.
As a japanese, I enjoyed the satirical depiction of Sony in South Park rather than the bullshit that is this scene
The whole show is garbage. Interesting premise; awful execution.
The Admiral looks like asian Matt LeBlanc lol
IJA virgin vs. IJN chad.
Kido was the best character of this whole show. He was the only one that seemed to understand the situation they were in, on both sides.
in this show, the only japanese speaker is Inokuchi and Tagomi.
We need some Japanese stuff put in some samurai armors
This dude looks like mr. Shoigu. Lol
The basic fallacy about this series is that it's based on a false premise: that the Nazis and Japanese desired and had the means to conquer the world. The Nazis did not think in Geo-political terms but Eurocentrically. Hitler thought in World War One terms, seeing the conquest of France and Russia as his ultimate war aims. The Nazis had no workable plan for even invading England and put no real energy into it. Nor did they have a navy capable of crossing the Atlantic against an America with three times their industrial plant. Hitler feared America. Similarly the Japanese limited their war aims to co-opting southeast Asia and China into their Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. They had no wish to go after America and could not support a cross-Pacific invasion of America with their minuscule industrial plant, barely 10% of America's. World conquest by the Nazis and Japan was simply not possible given the political-economy of their nations. But it's a nice and entertaining fantasy, which is what Hollywood is all about.
That is correct, World War 2 was so one sided it isn't even funny, any of the three superpowers at the time could defeat the axis on their own given time. Both, the British Empire, United States and the Soviet Union outproduced the axis industrially, economically and had overwhelming superiority in resources in manpower. With enough time, any of them could mobilise enough troops to invade and rescue Europe on their own, Japan wasn't even a real threat, their troops got pinned down in China and Burma.
@@jonataspereira1691 The UK would probably have lost the will for a full blown campaign of reconquest settling instead for a negociated solution. The British Empire lost 550k soldiers in the war. If it hasn't been for US and Soviet troops we can easily assume much higher losses. 10 times higher at least. Obviously many of these would have had to be subjects from the colonies. Its one thing to expect British India to sustain a war which cost it 80k quite another 1 million or more. The soviets and the americans could likely have won the war alone but the British Empire would have sustained losses at too great a scale for what was ultimately an Empire with quite loose loyalty to the Crown. At the end of the day going it alone would have proved self defeating. Even if you won the losses sustained would have been so great any will left for postwar relevancy would be gone.
@@florinivan6907 I believe the British Empire has the manpower to win the war, While the imperial authority wasnt quite the same like in the great war, but I believe they can make It easily by promising independence after the war, which is what they did to India.
@@jonataspereira1691 Maybe but first of all promising postwar independence is something the UK only wanted to give India and that was barely given in the first place. Secondly recruiting millions of natives from the various colonies would almost certainly lead to riots and uprisings. In real life the British Empire had significant difficulty in recruiting the needed numbers. If the numbers recruited had been far higher you can be certain local tensions would have exploded. The Empire was not Nazi Germany but a massive conscription campaign among suspicious natives would likely have backfired. Especially once the brutal discipline of the Army became known even more so since nonwhite soldiers by default were treated worse than white ones visibly worse. Even dominions would have difficulty maintaining their commitment. All the dominions mobilised about as much as they could in real life. In a scenario in which the UK is alone the dominions would be pushed beyond their limits.
@@florinivan6907 In real life the british Empire recruited most of its strength from the home Islands itself and the culturally alike dominions, while refusing to arm large quantities of colonial troops, I believe they had at most 5 Million colonial troops in the 6 years of the war, most of which came from India.
But that happened because the government chose to do so, there were many people in Churchill's cabinets and many generals like Harold Alexander who supported conscription in the entire british Empire.
*Military* court martial. Really?
To quote Col. Nathan R. Jessup: "Is there another kind?"
just watched "Tokyo Vice" and it made me wonder how the heck can HBO make their actors learn Japanese speak fluently with the correct pronunciation and not a "faux accent" while Amazon Prime can't. Both shows reportedly have around the same budget of 70-100 million dollar lol.
Why does Inspector Kido sound like he is speaking with a lot of contempt?
I presume this should be in Japanese?! Japan’s military (in reality 1930s and up to September 1945) was run in those days on a British military structure and the Japanese admired the Royal Navy especially. He actually would have had a Japanese Navy trial judged by the highest admirals! No Japanese army involvement!
At least have them speak Japanese.
its an american made show
@@ori6990 American-made shows and movies have made use of Japanese with English subtitling before.
@@Vistresian1941 the cast are mainly Americans, most of the actors depicted here don't speak Japanese fluently. Better to speak understandable English than horrible Japanese
There are some scenes where they speak their native tongues, but also a lot of ones where they just speak English
Army vs. Navy?
Yes , imposible
They hated each other, it was most likely they cost Japan to lose the war
@@Warrior.17 it was possible, at least knowing how much the IJA and IJN hated each other to the point of having different ships, equipment and air forces.
違和感ありまくりの映画
Where can i watch this ..none in netflix
Is there any proof for this i looked at the credits for this movie and i didn’t see his name
People are giving Amazon too much excuses. With a big budget and they couldn't find actors that fucking speak Japanese?
Amazon is racist against non-Americans.
Firing squad? What happenned to seppuku?
Man I don't remember this what episode?
What the fuck is that samurai armour doing in the background
The statues that General Yamori has in the background?
@@connordaugherty989 yea, japanese military probably never had random samurai armour lying around in their offices lol
@@chuggermon Maybe not in the 40's, but things may have changed by 1962.
@@connordaugherty989 perhaps, you may be right. Although I find it unlikely that they'd have it in a military office than in a home or museum...
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Yeah , I don’t thing that they would have the authority to sentence an admiral to death. Poor writing.
It's actually talked about in the show, he had the illegal sentance because he knew that the charged wont stick in a naval tribunal
I've never seen this series, only a number of clips like this one. Question. Why is the atmosphere so dark and why, if my perspective is correct, why aren't the Nazis and Japanese enjoying their conquest?
Because it’s Israeli Hollywood propaganda.
The West coast of the US refused to accept being occupied and there was a strong revolutionary movement that required the Japanese to be continually trying to stamp it out, so they couldn't "enjoy" what they conquered. That and almost as soon as the war ended, the Japanese and Germans were essentially in a state of cold war.
Who are the men depicted in the statues?
Jesus and Vishnu
The Last Samurai, and Goku.
Obama and Vladimir Putin
Hitler and Goering.
Stalin and Hitler
why these Japanese speak English?
cus its cooler
I know the entire show is fictional, exaggerated and taking countless liberties. But deep down I still felt those two peoples (Germans and Japanese), brilliant as they were with many admirable traits, are nonetheless utterly unsuited to building empires. They don't even make efforts to hide their superiority complex.
You cannot build up an empire with establishing your superiority above others in some way.
The Western inferiority complex rots empires.
Rome also wasnt only honey and milk, same goes for the mongols. When you want to build an empire that lasts, you need a higher purpose and undermine any rivals through fear
なんで憲兵がいつもいるのww
This show had so much potential, you know instead of employing crappy Americans speaking German and Japanese, they could have just had the supposed Germans and Japanese speak English with an accent, if they didn't want to bother. Or consequentially have them speak their languages properly and whenever it would have been realistic (as in Inglorious Bastard for example). And of course, the whole SJW resistance thing needs to be cut back, but oh well, to whom am I preaching...
Kuchi man
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hmmm
日本人だけど、初めて観た。日本が第二次世界大戦で勝つ世界なの？おもしろうそうなので観てみたい。
I am Japanese and I watched this video for the first time.Is this a world where Japan will win World War II? It looks interesting and I would like to watch it.
chinese trials be like:
The only reason I didn't like this show was cause the Japanese legitimately had zero chance of beating America like actually zero. Even in some alternate timeline just would not have happened
@Joshua Payne definitely not significantly if you compare even just tanks. Japanese just had a powerful navy. Now had pearl harbor gone to plan. Possibly. But after that blunder it was done and most of the Japanese leadership knew it but the emperor was on a death March for power.
@Joshua Payne never would've happened.
Germany probably threatened USA with nukes & they were forced to surrender.
If i m not worng nazi got nuke and nuke us to surrender
@@sirmount2636 thats the only way it wouldve been possible is if germany kicked ass in europe
why are they speaking english? should just be english subtitles, they won the war, so they should be speaking JAPANESE FFS
American influence.
Story about Japan and Germany winning. Speaks English.
As a spoof
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This shows existence is so offensive to the legacy of those who fought and died to prevent this kind of future from happening
How?
@@ArcLight726 I know people like alternative takes on reality but really one where the Fucking Nazi won WW2 my grandfather and his brother both fought in this war to prevent such a future and then Amazon has the audacity to make this show it’s pretty much a kick in the gut to the generation who fought to secure peace if anything the shows writer needs to be shot for making something that is so unamerican and disgusting
“We defeated the wrong enemy.”
-- Gen. G. Patton
Id say the opposite, it should make you cherish their legacy and sacrifice even more. if they hadnt fought, and died for the victory. this sort of shit would be reality and not a conjured fantasy on a video screen.
@@Shiirow Which is why I hate it I hate this kind of alternate take on reality that’s why I think it’s so offensive
So fake it’s laughable
This show seems really lame.
this is the most ridiculous depiction of anything related to wwII
this isn't actually WW2 anymore, this is when Japan and Nazi Germany won WW2 and it takes place in 1962, years after their victory
I think this show would have been a lot better if they skipped the alternate reality portion, save the few recordings that showed up by mysterious circumstances to create tension and doubt.
I agree