I love actor who plays Locke! Every single pair he form with another character is amazing and special, every one is different from one another: Locke - Boone, Locke - Jack, Locke - Charlie, Locke - Mr Eko, Locke - Claire, Locke - Henry Gale, Locke - Walt... There are more.
I read in an interview with one of a main Lost producers that their approach with flashback was to first come up with a story arc on the Island and after that to come up with a flashback illustrating the same kind of situation a character was going through before the Island (same as on the Island somehow). For example this episode... It was about Mr Eko flashbacks (intentionally - to make it more difficult for you to understand the parallel). We see here how Locke sees a dream being Mr Eko in it. So in this episode Mr Eko's flashbacks are a parallel for Locke's situation actually. He is confused about Orientation and don't want to belive Mr Eko that it's all a test and it's important to keep pushing the button, Locke takes un-spiritual, simple explanation that it's just a silly psychological experiment. Just like Mr Eko choose to believe un-spiritual version of events - that this girl didn't die and didn't came back from the dead. He even believed that Claire's psychic was just a fraud. Well, was he? The fact that Psychic's daughter went to the airport and delivered a straightforward clear message from Yemi proves she has a real spiritual gift... Most likely inherited genetically from her Psychic father. Who knew about future Flight 815 crash and sent Claire there so she would be with her baby (or something terrible could happen). He knew! He only told Mr Eko he is a fraud to avoid church's attention, to protect his daughter and to stop the investigation. And what is this all about? About situation Locke is going through on the Island. About Orientation... To believe or not in what being said.
Great episode and another great reaction. I say this for every reaction ive seen to this episode - but that autopsy tape with the screaming really sends shivers down my spine.
“Sorry I forgot the blankets” just kills me… poor Hurley. I think I could have forgiven Michael if he came clean, but playing the victim after what he did makes my blood boil 🤬 😏✌🏻🏝️
I like the way they shot Kate telling Hurley about Libby - a wide shot, too far away for us to hear any dialogue. It's reminiscent of how we saw Jack telling Shannon about Boone.
I always get curious how reactors believe John when he says the station is just a joke after he watched the orientation, while we all see that in the new hatch there were cameras as well 🤔. Everyone always ignores that it might have been an experiment since they were being observed too 🤷. It's so good to finally see someone who believes Eko, saying we need to unlock Locke 🔥. You also believed Danielle when she said she heard other people in the jungle and usually reactors take things way too rationally which is a mistake when it comes to that show. Also it's funny how the psychic lies to both Claire and Eko to make sure they both end up in that plane 🎉
As one of those that commented a variation on the "Lost doesn't start until Henry Gale comes in", and with you now being in S3 let me add to that. Before Henry Gale the survivors are in their own little world trying to survive and completely clueless to what is going on outside of their little bubble. But once Henry enters in a net they become integrated in the bigger part of the story. Both BHG and AHG are great but they are different.
When I lived in student halls when I was at uni it was crazy when I realised that these people who I spent almost every second with and were so close to had only been in my life for a couple of months. Intense experiences (not quite as intense!) and non stop time spend together can seem like you’ve known people for years.
If I was Charlie waking up in the middle of the night on a strange island next to Mr Eko, while he's holding ab axe and says he needs to find John I'd s hit myself 😂
IMO, Henry Gale got into Locke's head not because Locke is the most dangerous, but because he's the most easily manipulated. Locke's belief that he has a special relationship with The Island and his frustration every time someone tells him what he can't do created ways for Henry to separate Locke from the other survivors. There's a more fundamental reason that Mr. Eko and Locke weren't going to find Henry Gale. It's not just that The Others don't leave a trail. They weren't looking for him. They were looking for the question mark. It was pretty dumb of Locke to send something through that tube. It had the potential to alert someone at the other end that they were in The Pearl. Is this episode the first time we've seen Kate cry?
Kate has sobbed before in previous season. Are we forgetting the episode when Charlie almost died or the episode after that when she came clean about the toy plane?
"Is a coroner meant to be composed?" Well it's not just the person coming back like the Undertaker, it's the fact that he suddenly had a very live person with a very bad stab wound that HE just made.
I'm going to guess, since Sawyer said "give me 20 minutes" before Jack told Kate to go with him, he was probably going to hoof it to his tent at the beach and back pretty quickly. When I go on a walk (which I do a lot) I cover a mile in 20 minutes on even terrain. So I'd wager the hatch access doors (not the original hatch entrance they dynamited) is a half mile to a mile from Sawyer's tent.
Darren Aronofsky (Black Swan, Requiem for a Dream) was originally scheduled to direct this episode, but it fell apart due to scheduling. As for Malkin yes he could just be a fraud OR he is the real thing that knows about the plane crash and wants certain people on it. If he agrees that his daughter's "resurrection" was real Eko then misses flight 815. And not a spoiler but I truly would not worry how long it takes to get to one point to another on this show. It takes however long the plot needs things to take.
I think s1 was just an introduction of the characters. S2 was just an introduction of the story world. S3, 4, 5 and 6 will be something else (too early to discuss). So yes, I understand when people say the real Lost story arc is just beginning.
I've always assumed the hatch to be about a half hour from the beach camp on foot. Assuming Sawyer would run back to the beach I think a 20 min round trip is being generous. Remember, Sayid has a map, which we've seen in some screenshots, and Michael and Sawyer saw how big the Island was on the raft. So we know, it's big. Which is why the two sections of the plane never knew of each other, why the tailies never saw Rousseau, why they still haven't found where the Others live, etc. I think you missed that yes, the heroin was only to make her comfortable. Jack said that aloud but you seemed to be asking later on if that was what it was for, that must have slipped by you when he said that. Also "Peter Jackson" -- that was the DeGroots, the founder of the Dharma Initiative, we saw them once before in the Swan orientation film. I think you may have missed them as well. In case you forgot from the original orientation film, the DeGroots founded Dharma in Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA, and were funded by a Danish philanthropist named Alvar Hanso. You may want to jot down those names and places. (In one of the season 1 reactions I suggested you take notes, you may really want to at this point because there's more infodumps forthcoming). Since Claire didn't get an off-island flashback in season 2 it's nice to get some more of her story fleshed out in Eko's flashback, IE the psychic. Although I still believe while he may be a fraud ordinarily, he did still get a flash of something real with Claire, which is why he was so freaked out and returned her money.
RIP Libby. It's hard to follow a man like Locke for me. He wants to push the button? Let him push it without trying to convince others to do it too. He doesn't want to push the button anymore? Let him not push it anymore and let others do it if they want, like Eko. Eko is the true man of faith in my vision of what it should be, the one who believes but doesn't force others to believe but confronts them when they want to stop him from believing. I really like the final scene where Michael finds himself in the old armory. He finds himself in the same place where Henry's lies had led him. Michael's lies lead him to the same place.
When the show started they presented Locke as the 'faith' guy but he really isn't, he's in some sort of Chosen One -quest for glory. There is glory in pushing the button, but it isn't flashy, it won't make him important, it won't make him some sort of Indiana Jones. To keep pushing the button you need faith AND humillity. Crisis of faith aside, you need to be on the mindset of a religious person to be able to stay there repeating the same thing.
...I can't get over Ana Lucía's end. I can't believe that her backstory was that she made the mistake of believing the guy that said he was a student and letting him reach for his ID. Now she believed Michael and this happens. The fact that she only had enough time to see the wound and was gone before she could even look up; I almost wished he attacked her from behind so she wouldn't know what hit her.
Don't know if you're aware of it.. but all priests ask that at the start of confession.. how long since their last one. Michael Corleon in Godfather III gave a heart-wrenching reply to that very question. One of the best scenes in that film, imo.
Hurley was expecting Libby to nip back to the hatch to get blankets and then come straight back to carry on with their picnic that afternoon. She didn’t come back n he didn’t go looking for her even thought he knew where she’d gone. For the rest of the afternoon and evening and the whole night. N only the next morning he casually asked if they’d seen her. Given that people are getting attacked n kidnapped all the time you’d think he would have been concerned a lot sooner! Sad to think that maybe the only thing that would explain his actions would be that perhaps he presumed she’d just changed her mind 😓
I always thought the Swan station was about a 30 min walk from the beach. I think Sawyer's "give me 20 mins" was because he was planning on getting to the beach and back as fast as he could so Libby wasn't suffering for longer than she needed to - I think Sawyer was being a tad optimistic with his "20 minutes" though!
You have to have season 1 for the rest of the series to be impressive. So you can't say it "starts" here. As I said in an earlier comment, season 1 is just the top of the visible part of the LOST iceberg. The point of explaining that is only to say that if you think it's been great up to this point, and you barely know anything about what's going on yet, imagine how the rest of it is going to be.
The thing is... Sawyer didn't need to return with Kate after fetching the pain meds. He could have used the same guilt trip on Kate and been like "you better get going, Libby's in pain"... then he would have probably had awhile to hide the guns somewhere else. A little harder during the daylight, but all the trackers are off doing other stuff.
Lol i knew at the beginning it was about my comment 😂 I'm good with mentioning my name tho, no problem 😆. I looooooove season 1, it's one of my favorite seasons and this is my favorite show, like the best show EVER, I never felt like I said anything to disrespect this show cuz I'd never do that 😅 But yet I think that introducing "Henry" is like the point where the show really starts to tell the story, we start to get that vibe of what's Lost all about, I see him like a quintessence of the plot, you might have the same observation in the following seasons, but who knows 😊 we need to wait for that 🎉 But I see where you were going with it and everytime you say you just love this show from the very beginning, my heart melts 💖 I'm soooo glad you like it that much 😭 And all your reactions are so precious thank you for that 🙏🌷
The interesting thing to me is to think that maybe Locke and Boone were not supposed to climb to the Nigerian plane. Maybe they were only supposed to find the Pearl Station door. The plane was kinda pointing at it. It wasn't so hard to find that door without the plane hiding it. 😅
@@OrangeChrome I think it was Jack during the 'live together, die alone' speech. "We found a hatch about a half mile from here" (my memory of it anyway)
After you've finished the show, let's come back to "when the show started" comments and see what you think! I do agree that the pilot episode is one of the absolute best pilots ever made, even still!
This is obvious, and I don't think you would, but just wanted to say to not try and google locations on the island (regarding how far the hatch is). There's maps online with locations you shouldn't obviously know ;) Easy to get spoilt out there. Watch out there ;)
Stop pausing please:) Just wait for the scene to end if you have to talk. You can’t truly appreciate a scene without experiencing it as one continuous flow. I think you’re talking more than you’re reacting now LOL still love ya and will always watch!
Stop that Stev. Again with people dictating how he should watch and react to the show. Let him enjoy the show as he sees fit. Personally I like it. Its very different than what all the other reactors do. Different is good.
@@TJMalana He's only giving a few pointers to Elie, which he is perfectly entitled to do. I agree that sometimes it's best to allow a scene to play out without continuously pausing it.
I agree. From the moment Jack opened his eye in the Pilot, I was hooked. For me also, that is where this phenomenal Show began.
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I love actor who plays Locke! Every single pair he form with another character is amazing and special, every one is different from one another: Locke - Boone, Locke - Jack, Locke - Charlie, Locke - Mr Eko, Locke - Claire, Locke - Henry Gale, Locke - Walt... There are more.
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You think YOU had a jump scare when Libby popped up alive ... Michael probably crapped himself. Lol
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It warms my heart to hear your admiration for Michael Emerson.
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Me too!
Elie glaring at the Numbers every time they pop up is my new favorite meme. "Really? This is what we're doing?"
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I read in an interview with one of a main Lost producers that their approach with flashback was to first come up with a story arc on the Island and after that to come up with a flashback illustrating the same kind of situation a character was going through before the Island (same as on the Island somehow). For example this episode... It was about Mr Eko flashbacks (intentionally - to make it more difficult for you to understand the parallel). We see here how Locke sees a dream being Mr Eko in it. So in this episode Mr Eko's flashbacks are a parallel for Locke's situation actually. He is confused about Orientation and don't want to belive Mr Eko that it's all a test and it's important to keep pushing the button, Locke takes un-spiritual, simple explanation that it's just a silly psychological experiment. Just like Mr Eko choose to believe un-spiritual version of events - that this girl didn't die and didn't came back from the dead. He even believed that Claire's psychic was just a fraud. Well, was he? The fact that Psychic's daughter went to the airport and delivered a straightforward clear message from Yemi proves she has a real spiritual gift... Most likely inherited genetically from her Psychic father. Who knew about future Flight 815 crash and sent Claire there so she would be with her baby (or something terrible could happen). He knew! He only told Mr Eko he is a fraud to avoid church's attention, to protect his daughter and to stop the investigation. And what is this all about? About situation Locke is going through on the Island. About Orientation... To believe or not in what being said.
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Great episode and another great reaction.
I say this for every reaction ive seen to this episode - but that autopsy tape with the screaming really sends shivers down my spine.
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The music they use for Mr Eko!! Oh my soul. His and Locke's both. ♡
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“Sorry I forgot the blankets” just kills me… poor Hurley.
I think I could have forgiven Michael if he came clean, but playing the victim after what he did makes my blood boil 🤬
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Elie: INDIVIDUALS
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I like the way they shot Kate telling Hurley about Libby - a wide shot, too far away for us to hear any dialogue. It's reminiscent of how we saw Jack telling Shannon about Boone.
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I always get curious how reactors believe John when he says the station is just a joke after he watched the orientation, while we all see that in the new hatch there were cameras as well 🤔. Everyone always ignores that it might have been an experiment since they were being observed too 🤷. It's so good to finally see someone who believes Eko, saying we need to unlock Locke 🔥. You also believed Danielle when she said she heard other people in the jungle and usually reactors take things way too rationally which is a mistake when it comes to that show.
Also it's funny how the psychic lies to both Claire and Eko to make sure they both end up in that plane 🎉
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As one of those that commented a variation on the "Lost doesn't start until Henry Gale comes in", and with you now being in S3 let me add to that. Before Henry Gale the survivors are in their own little world trying to survive and completely clueless to what is going on outside of their little bubble. But once Henry enters in a net they become integrated in the bigger part of the story. Both BHG and AHG are great but they are different.
Yeah 💯 agree, season one was like an anticipation for a bomb to explode in season 2, I ment that too 😂
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@@OrangeChrome what orange? 😄
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When I lived in student halls when I was at uni it was crazy when I realised that these people who I spent almost every second with and were so close to had only been in my life for a couple of months. Intense experiences (not quite as intense!) and non stop time spend together can seem like you’ve known people for years.
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If I was Charlie waking up in the middle of the night on a strange island next to Mr Eko, while he's holding ab axe and says he needs to find John I'd s hit myself 😂
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IMO, Henry Gale got into Locke's head not because Locke is the most dangerous, but because he's the most easily manipulated. Locke's belief that he has a special relationship with The Island and his frustration every time someone tells him what he can't do created ways for Henry to separate Locke from the other survivors.
There's a more fundamental reason that Mr. Eko and Locke weren't going to find Henry Gale. It's not just that The Others don't leave a trail. They weren't looking for him. They were looking for the question mark.
It was pretty dumb of Locke to send something through that tube. It had the potential to alert someone at the other end that they were in The Pearl.
Is this episode the first time we've seen Kate cry?
Kate has sobbed before in previous season. Are we forgetting the episode when Charlie almost died or the episode after that when she came clean about the toy plane?
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One of the best episodes of s2! Love this episode and Lockedown the most!
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Yes, another reaction bro! Let's go!
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"Is a coroner meant to be composed?"
Well it's not just the person coming back like the Undertaker, it's the fact that he suddenly had a very live person with a very bad stab wound that HE just made.
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I love the Undertaker and John Wick references. Keep up these fantastic reactions. You're blazing through them.
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I'm going to guess, since Sawyer said "give me 20 minutes" before Jack told Kate to go with him, he was probably going to hoof it to his tent at the beach and back pretty quickly. When I go on a walk (which I do a lot) I cover a mile in 20 minutes on even terrain. So I'd wager the hatch access doors (not the original hatch entrance they dynamited) is a half mile to a mile from Sawyer's tent.
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Locke losing his faith is a sad sight indeed. :( That dynamic between he and Eko is awesome.
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The beach and the hatch are about a half hour hike.
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Darren Aronofsky (Black Swan, Requiem for a Dream) was originally scheduled to direct this episode, but it fell apart due to scheduling.
As for Malkin yes he could just be a fraud OR he is the real thing that knows about the plane crash and wants certain people on it. If he agrees that his daughter's "resurrection" was real Eko then misses flight 815.
And not a spoiler but I truly would not worry how long it takes to get to one point to another on this show. It takes however long the plot needs things to take.
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I think s1 was just an introduction of the characters. S2 was just an introduction of the story world. S3, 4, 5 and 6 will be something else (too early to discuss). So yes, I understand when people say the real Lost story arc is just beginning.
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I've always assumed the hatch to be about a half hour from the beach camp on foot. Assuming Sawyer would run back to the beach I think a 20 min round trip is being generous.
Remember, Sayid has a map, which we've seen in some screenshots, and Michael and Sawyer saw how big the Island was on the raft. So we know, it's big. Which is why the two sections of the plane never knew of each other, why the tailies never saw Rousseau, why they still haven't found where the Others live, etc.
I think you missed that yes, the heroin was only to make her comfortable. Jack said that aloud but you seemed to be asking later on if that was what it was for, that must have slipped by you when he said that.
Also "Peter Jackson" -- that was the DeGroots, the founder of the Dharma Initiative, we saw them once before in the Swan orientation film. I think you may have missed them as well. In case you forgot from the original orientation film, the DeGroots founded Dharma in Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA, and were funded by a Danish philanthropist named Alvar Hanso. You may want to jot down those names and places. (In one of the season 1 reactions I suggested you take notes, you may really want to at this point because there's more infodumps forthcoming).
Since Claire didn't get an off-island flashback in season 2 it's nice to get some more of her story fleshed out in Eko's flashback, IE the psychic. Although I still believe while he may be a fraud ordinarily, he did still get a flash of something real with Claire, which is why he was so freaked out and returned her money.
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RIP Libby.
It's hard to follow a man like Locke for me. He wants to push the button? Let him push it without trying to convince others to do it too. He doesn't want to push the button anymore? Let him not push it anymore and let others do it if they want, like Eko. Eko is the true man of faith in my vision of what it should be, the one who believes but doesn't force others to believe but confronts them when they want to stop him from believing.
I really like the final scene where Michael finds himself in the old armory. He finds himself in the same place where Henry's lies had led him. Michael's lies lead him to the same place.
When the show started they presented Locke as the 'faith' guy but he really isn't, he's in some sort of Chosen One -quest for glory. There is glory in pushing the button, but it isn't flashy, it won't make him important, it won't make him some sort of Indiana Jones. To keep pushing the button you need faith AND humillity. Crisis of faith aside, you need to be on the mindset of a religious person to be able to stay there repeating the same thing.
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...I can't get over Ana Lucía's end. I can't believe that her backstory was that she made the mistake of believing the guy that said he was a student and letting him reach for his ID. Now she believed Michael and this happens. The fact that she only had enough time to see the wound and was gone before she could even look up; I almost wished he attacked her from behind so she wouldn't know what hit her.
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Don't know if you're aware of it.. but all priests ask that at the start of confession.. how long since their last one. Michael Corleon in Godfather III gave a heart-wrenching reply to that very question. One of the best scenes in that film, imo.
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Hurley was expecting Libby to nip back to the hatch to get blankets and then come straight back to carry on with their picnic that afternoon. She didn’t come back n he didn’t go looking for her even thought he knew where she’d gone. For the rest of the afternoon and evening and the whole night. N only the next morning he casually asked if they’d seen her. Given that people are getting attacked n kidnapped all the time you’d think he would have been concerned a lot sooner! Sad to think that maybe the only thing that would explain his actions would be that perhaps he presumed she’d just changed her mind 😓
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Crazy that the only reason Eko and Locke found The Pearl was because Boone went into the plane and caused it to fall.
A sacrifice The Island demanded.
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I always thought the Swan station was about a 30 min walk from the beach. I think Sawyer's "give me 20 mins" was because he was planning on getting to the beach and back as fast as he could so Libby wasn't suffering for longer than she needed to - I think Sawyer was being a tad optimistic with his "20 minutes" though!
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You have to have season 1 for the rest of the series to be impressive. So you can't say it "starts" here. As I said in an earlier comment, season 1 is just the top of the visible part of the LOST iceberg. The point of explaining that is only to say that if you think it's been great up to this point, and you barely know anything about what's going on yet, imagine how the rest of it is going to be.
The thing is... Sawyer didn't need to return with Kate after fetching the pain meds. He could have used the same guilt trip on Kate and been like "you better get going, Libby's in pain"... then he would have probably had awhile to hide the guns somewhere else. A little harder during the daylight, but all the trackers are off doing other stuff.
RIP Ana Lucia and Libby
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@@joselopezforque8745 mmhmm
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Lol i knew at the beginning it was about my comment 😂 I'm good with mentioning my name tho, no problem 😆. I looooooove season 1, it's one of my favorite seasons and this is my favorite show, like the best show EVER, I never felt like I said anything to disrespect this show cuz I'd never do that 😅 But yet I think that introducing "Henry" is like the point where the show really starts to tell the story, we start to get that vibe of what's Lost all about, I see him like a quintessence of the plot, you might have the same observation in the following seasons, but who knows 😊 we need to wait for that 🎉 But I see where you were going with it and everytime you say you just love this show from the very beginning, my heart melts 💖 I'm soooo glad you like it that much 😭 And all your reactions are so precious thank you for that 🙏🌷
The interesting thing to me is to think that maybe Locke and Boone were not supposed to climb to the Nigerian plane. Maybe they were only supposed to find the Pearl Station door. The plane was kinda pointing at it. It wasn't so hard to find that door without the plane hiding it. 😅
Poor Hurley 😢
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I didn't realize the Barracks was referenced as early as season two.
If I remember correctly, I think one of the characters said the hatch was about a half mile from their camp
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@@OrangeChrome I think it was Jack during the 'live together, die alone' speech. "We found a hatch about a half mile from here" (my memory of it anyway)
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After you've finished the show, let's come back to "when the show started" comments and see what you think! I do agree that the pilot episode is one of the absolute best pilots ever made, even still!
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25:14 As for how long it takes them to get from location to location, or how far away things are.
Enjoy the ride.
Michael Emerson 🐐! 🌴😎🌺
10 minutes to the stash just doesn't track. Never took 10 minutes to go from the hatch to the beach.
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@@OrangeChrome The hatch is even further than the cave, and I believe they mentioned it's 40 minutes from the beach to the cave.
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This is obvious, and I don't think you would, but just wanted to say to not try and google locations on the island (regarding how far the hatch is). There's maps online with locations you shouldn't obviously know ;) Easy to get spoilt out there. Watch out there ;)
Don't focus on Island Geography, it won't matter.
haven't seen your glasses in a few episodes. you must be feeling better watching the videos right??
@@Glennwulf bit better yea thank youu soo much. It comes and goes but way better now
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Stop pausing please:) Just wait for the scene to end if you have to talk. You can’t truly appreciate a scene without experiencing it as one continuous flow. I think you’re talking more than you’re reacting now LOL still love ya and will always watch!
Go with the flow Bro.
Stop that Stev. Again with people dictating how he should watch and react to the show. Let him enjoy the show as he sees fit. Personally I like it. Its very different than what all the other reactors do. Different is good.
@@TJMalana He's only giving a few pointers to Elie, which he is perfectly entitled to do. I agree that sometimes it's best to allow a scene to play out without continuously pausing it.
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Libby's sudden death cheapens the Hurley flashback connection, and doing that cheapens all of the connections. It doesn't feel like good TV to me.