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Wayward Winchester i understand Lucifer and 1 third of the angels casted from heaven but i diagree some people .... calling him satan...he's an fallen angel , thus his name should stay lucifer
Huhuhu poor children i wish u knew this, it was his dream all the time , to be the lord equal to king of gods, so Zeus. Disguise of Jesús Crist. Im still furiose bcoz to achive that goal, he had to change me to a horrible creature. Meanwhile a was just a simple Boy on earth.
Chucks actor is honestly amazing, the way he can play both a narcissistic sociopath sometimes and play a loving and caring father at other times is truly astounding
@@randallflagg6271 That was really the themes of the first five seasons of Supernatural. Sam and Dean being the mirror to the ultimate battle to Michael and Lucifer. If Sam and Dean were mirrors to the angels, then John Winchester was a mirror to God.
Remember what Lucifer said to Nick in S5 E1. "Contrary to popular belief, I don't lie". So everyone is surprised that Lucifer was right. But he never lied.
He doesn't need to lie. The truth is damaging enough and he doesn't even have to twist it that much. The truth might set you free, but it can also damn you forever.
@Victor Palacios well he did ... he told them he could give them their wings back... he couldn't... he also couldn't birth new angels if I remember correctly
He definitely lie before, for example, off the top of my head, about his ability to create angels and give them wings. There are probably more examples but need to refresh my memory a little
One thing I always found interesting was how when Lucifer beat Michael he wanted to preserve the earth and seemed to treasure nature (and maybe also animals) just not humans. But when Michael won he basically (as far as I remember) destroyed everything, not just humans but also plants, animals and monsters.
This rendition of Lucy is a two faced masochist that basks in the blood of anything he can get his grimy hypocritical hands on. But in his defense, if his dad wasn't playing favorites, things would've been for the better.
Technically, he didn't beat Michael, in that alternate future Michael and all the other angels just left the planet after Dean kept refusing to become his vessel. But yeah, your point still stands, just wanted to point that out ^^;
zack stoner if you can’t read sub text and read between the lines go rewatch the show, and pick up on stuff they said and stuff lucifer and apocalypse world Michael said about “God” you feel like your talking to your 4 year old son I feel like I’m explaining to someone who doesn’t watch shows.
zack stoner APO- Apocalypse I’m not sure if you watched show but APO was clearly referring to apocalypse world Michael even this comment thread says Michael and Michael that harbored hatred towards chuck, hence god was apocalypse world Michael. In show lucifer and Apo michael says chuck dosen’t care about anything he creates and if it fails he runs along and creates something new.
who else wishes it could have been Mark portraying Lucifer here? I just feel the performance so much more when Mark portrays Lucifer. Misha is a wonderful actor, but Lucifer isnt a good fit for him. Mark was one of the most believable performances ive seen on the show
I agree. Mark has a sense of menace to his Lucifer which cuts through how over exaggerated his character is. I like Misha but he doesn’t have that same level of intimidation or bubbling aggression so his performance comes off as a bit ham and parodic Mark just struck that perfect balance between humour and malevolence
I think Misha was the better choice for talking to Chuck. He shows emotions better. Mark is better at playing the villain. But Misha is better at playing the human side of angels which is what was needed for that scene.
It’s so sad what they did to Lucifer, like just the fact Dean and Sam were in the scene acting so nonchalant with Lucifer after what they went through with you know, the apocalypse.
I love this series. But it is for entertainment purposes. This series is quite anti-biblical. The truth is, Lucifer is the most prideful. God is above all already, what is the point of raising Himself even further? The position is still the same. Lucifer was below God. He sinned against Him, and this was cast from Heaven.
@@MainframeSupertasker Yes but the biblical version only applied to them when they were immortal beings. Older people show growth and wisdom because, when time is running out, they have to look back at their lives and put it in perspective. Time is meaningless to an immortal so Lucifer and Chuck never had reason to do that. Thats why the show's version is so interesting. Because of Sam, Dean, Amara, Michael etc, Lucifer and Chuck know they can die and finally have to come to grips with who they are just like the rest of us.
@@MainframeSupertasker Pride definition: The quality or state of being proud; inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, rank etc., which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve and often contempt of others. That's literally the biblical God 💀 Obey me or burn Love me or burn Believe in me or burn I am all powerful so I can do whatever I please and call it good I am above you all and shall all worship me for eternity for what is inherently me Again, if y'all don't think that's pride then you're beyond help
The irony is that while Lucifer WAS right about God... he was also God's son; incapable of seeing his own flaws. He constantly calls out God for making him the Devil in biblical history, and then kills everyone who gets in his way, upsets him or mildly sasses him. Or looks at him funny. Or tells a joke that makes him laugh. He is the Arch-Angel closest to his father, so we all should've seen this coming. EDIT: For example, the simple irony of, "It's not like he invented the Prius, something that actually WORKS." God invents humans, humans invent the Prius. His joke actually highlights the humans creating things greater than themselves, which is one of the larger themes of the whole series, but uses it as a slight for God creating humans in the first place. The fact of the matter is, God didn't create humans to be better than him. He created humans out of a desire to create, and asked the Angels to praise them as his 'finest work' because it was the work he was most proud of, but never considered them 'better' than he was, or ever considered his own failings as a creature. After all, he created almost all other life in the universe save his sister and maybe death; who does he have to compare himself to that he himself did not create? But God created us in his own image (in Supernatural lore at least), and as we are flawed so is he. And as the Angel closest to God, Lucifer is actually the angel closest to humanity: the least machine/soldier-like angel. Which, unfortunately, also makes him the most flawed... but with the greatest potential.
Maverick McFarlane but the antihero still holds. He was made to wear the mark and yea it didn’t make him the way he was. But it brought all those actions he resisted brought to the service. He was traumatized with no one to help him. So he made hell traumatized, manipulated, and lied to a lot of people. Even his own son. If anything, the actor who played Lucifer did an amazing job of making the audience feel bad for Lucifer. But yea, anyway it’s sliced he was right about god. I mean supernaturals!god.
The irony is that Lucifer was always right about Chuck and his interest in his creation, so much so that Chuck even dared to lock up his sister Amara... In the Unity chapter Amara merged with Chuck to be a single cosmic entity where Chuck has the command, I believe that in the creation Amara was the one that had the Light and the Dark and create the Universe... As we all know Amara the Goddess of Darkness had more empathy for humanity than Chuck
Knowing what we know now, this scene is so disturbing in a way. Chuck had such little respect for Lucifer he was lying through his teeth that entire time. He truly didn’t care about anyone, as long as his story continued on the right path he would lie to anyone
@@AussieRider20 exactly. I think we can all agree that chuck wasn't evil and should never get evil but the writers ran out of ideas and big baddies, so they chose to make him a villain instead of getting a bit creative with something new
@@AussieRider20 ruins it is a bit strong. As soon as I learned Chuck was God and season five, I knew he was the ultimate bad guy. After all, he was the one who created all of the misery that Sam and dean had to go through. The only complaint I have is it took 14 seasons for them to realize that it was him who was the author (no pun intended) of all of their grief.
What if chuck wanted to be defeated? To me, Chuck knew everything, he's all-knowing, so I knew it would end that way, but that's what he wanted: to be the last and most powerful boss in his story: Supernatural. However, he wasn't the best in this role as other antagonists were a bit more natural and interesting, but Chuck isn't an actor or a character, he's a writer. He could get rid of people and Sam and Dean if he wanted to. He didn't do that because I think he didn't want that. Also, in Despair we see that Chuck knew about Jack's death and plan, he really seems to be omniscient. The last scene near the lake where its protagonists Sam, Dean and Jack win by taking all their divine powers is, according to me, desired by Chuck (as seems foreshadowed in Atomic Monsters). And he probably wanted to be killed by them too, it would have been an honor (but he probably knew they wouldn't). The begging part and his defeat was theatrical, just the way he likes it: the evil almighty God who destroyed the worlds losing to the good and fantastic protagonists of his story and cursed to be a mere human being for the rest of his life. his life. A poetic ending like the one he said he wanted at the end of 14x20. That for me explains a lot of things about the season 15 finale and it doesn't ruin Chuck's character.
Yeah, I can't buy that💁🏻♀️ Chick wasn't evil, they just made him evil because they apparently thought they just had to keep going bigger and bigger until inevitably God himself becomes the bad guy. It's just dumb.
I wish Lucifer and Michael played a bigger role in the finale. Seeing them make peace and fight against God then rule heaven together would have been soooo good. Especially after rewatching this episode that really humanized Lucifer. It sucks that they just made him into a sarcastic villain again after this
All Lucifer ever wanted was to be GOD and become more powerful then him and that's where he made his first mistake. Lucifer will fall and rot in hell when it's all said and done and that is something he already knows.
@@masterreaper115 he couldve created perfect beings but no, had to create flaws, had to create corruption, death, evil. Why did he? Why make us flawed? Is that not evil?
@@thelonelyduck7267 lol the only flaw he gave us was to give us the chance to choose good or evil.. unlike luci and them Angel's, they are following a script.. a script to separate the wheat from the tears. There's your evolution, to either go with the evil of the world, or die not being a part of the evil and sick things happening to humanity since the beginning of time.
13:00 it's funny how the angels and archangels don't look in the mirror when saying humans are flawed murderous when they themselves and god are both the same. a quote would be "you are what you create"
Now i finally understand why Michael and Lucifer chose the vessels they did, now you understand the story of cain and abel and why Dean was able to relate to Cain, why Cain killed his brother, the good son going down the road of good intentions, now the speech that Lucy/Sam makes at the end reflects the speech in the final season.....ITS BRILLIANT....
Doesnt everybody in this fallen world have daddy issues ? That's why they are destroying the family and making sure all the kids are educated by the state
I remember when this show was about hunting a supernatural entity that had yellow eyes, later confirmed to be a demon, and to stoping the apocalypse and the rise of Lucifer.
Interestingly, the entire God and Lucy therapy scene raises so many logical inconsistencies. So God knew that the mark would corrupt Lucy, so imprisons Lucy and Amara? Apparently the mark is the problem. Also, God allowed some simple oversight such as Death’s scythe to be Death’s undoing AND the one-shot means to unleash the darkness? Speaking of the darkness. Since nothing can escape from the empty (except when a god-level character calls for it), why didn’t Chuck toss Amara into the empty? Also, for an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, God was clueless about the future and the effects of things it should’ve foreseen, such as extinction events (which weren’t due to human intervention)? And, it allowed human beings to destroy each other instead of reengineering out genome to eliminate greed, hate and disease?
Kind of ironic that Lucifer in Sam's body is wearing an all white suit, which white is synonymous to being pure. Also ironic that Dean said that he'll always say no to Michael, but in season 13 he doesnt.
In Supernatural, Michael was the first archangel but Lucifer was the most beloved prior to his corruption by the Mark bringing out his dormant jealousy towards his brothers and humanity and amplifying it to omnicidal levels.
@@AspieMediaBobby Amara said Lucifer was God's first Son when she captured Lucifer. maybe Lucifer and Michael were created in the same time but Michael take the role of big brother
Absolute power definitely corrupts absolutely. When you think about it Chuck wasn’t always the villain. At some point in the past he did genuinely want to help his followers. But as time grew he became disillusioned with the world and its people. I mean when you could literally create entire dimensions like nothing then do your creations really mean that much when you could snap your fingers and create infinitely more it wouldn’t be long before you start wondering what is real and what is fake. I mean if you could literally create a person with a snap of your fingers are they real? I kinda like the route the writers are currently going with Chuck. A benevolent entity that was corrupted by his own power to be disillusioned with reality.
I agree but that is not corruption. It is just might makes right dynamic and expression of egoism which is fundamentally only basis of "morality" for all living creatures.
Lucifer literally has tortured human souls to the point of turning into demons, then had them do it to other humans. Then all those demons went up to Earth and caused lots of messes. I mean..... where does he get off claiming to be such a victim? Have we forgotten what he did to Sam in the Pit?
@@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล Yes, Lucifer had it all figured out. In my opinion, Lucifer is the smartest among all the angels. It can't be a coincidence if we call him a "light bearer" But still, I want to believe that God had his own reasons for doing this. Even Amara (her sister) thinks that God is not bad and that he has his own reasons. What if everything was a test to prove family values? I refuse to believe that God is the villain of the last season. I'm sure it's Billie who lies for his own interests
I read this book the Revelations of Lucifer the Divine and how it painted Lucifer changed my whole perspective of him. And to actually see it being kind of played out... How much Lucifer does care is something I really thought I would never see on TV. It honestly warms my heart while at the same time breaking it because of how he just wanted his father's love.
3:13 Looking back at this and seeing dean say that you can say sorry without really meaning it and with the next scene with god and lucifer and god saying that lucifer was his most prized son and knowing the future seasons you realise that everything he said to lucifer was a compete lie and likely didnt mean any of it.
"There's nothing down here but a bunch of hopeless distraction addicts. So filled with emptiness- so desperate to fill the void that they don't mind being served a rerun of a rerun of a rerun." What a poignant commentary on the show, the entertainment industry in general, and us as viewers/human beings! Like, ouch. Even as I type this and you read it we're proving his point. Well played! Well played! Major kudos to the writers on that one.
To this day, I'm not sure I approve of the God heel turn. Not because I'm religious or anything, but because he had never really hinted at a bad nature in any of Kripke's seasons.
24:44 I couldn't help but laugh when Lucifer asked to be called that. It's not only the fact that it's ridiculous, it's just so cute. But not in a pitiful way- it's just.. adorable
It's crazy to know that lucifer was right about god the entire time 8:42 how he really was just controlling everyone with lucifer just wanting to walk away but micheal couldn't realize he was just like everything else that god made puppets with strings.
A very can you stop being the king and be just my parent? situation, and of course Chuck can't. So all his kids either act out or are perfect soldier.....the parallels to the Winchesters is brilliant.
I was wrong. It was a well-written and well-plotted series. I was still a big fan till the whole God thing showed up, but I still watched it to the very end like I did with Angel. Thanks, Wayward Winchester !
14:36 - When Lucifer was talking to Dean it was like it hurt him when Dean said that, almost like he was talking to his brother who said something very similar to him. Lucifer may be evil but it’s not entirely his fault. Especially considering Chuck wanted this all to happen. He wanted to lock Amara away, he wanted the Mark to corrupt Lucifer and he wanted it to corrupt Dean so that they would unleash Amara so that he could come play the hero.
In the original translation of the Hebrew bible Lucifer wasn't ever depicted as evil or against god more as a tester of people. He also wasn't the snake in Eden that is something made up to put on a good vs evil storyline. And his actual fall from heaven isn't depicted as something that has happened more so as something that is going to occur.
Loved this episode it was so cool and AWESOME. Gonna miss SPN. I'll just continue to watch reruns. Love to Jensen and Jared and everyone else bye Christine FAN 4EVER.
Yk it’s funny, in the scene where Lucifer is talking to Michael asking “why are we doing this” makes a lot more sense seeing how the show ends. It’s all just part of God trying to make a story, he actually peeps the fact they’re pitted against each other no reason besides God’s enjoyment.
That first scene where God apologizes to Lucifer would have been so much more impactful if Mark Pelligrino played Lucifer in that scene. I love Cas, but that should have been Mark.
Reading all these sympathy comments for Lucifer and realizing that this show is making a whole swath of people relate more with the devil than with God and wondering if this was the plan all along? 🤔 🤷♂️
10:07 Lucifer😈 Man Year's later Almost a Echo how when Sam and Dean Find out the truth about Chuck/God Just Playing about with Story's aka (In Dean's voice) OUR LIFES! Great editing brother👊👍
It was cool when Lucifer was in Cass body. Cass was a good Lucifer. Look at how Chuck was here compared to the last season . WTF happened to him!? I don’t understand , why did he become so dark !? Why he turned his back on humanity !? I hated it but maybe the writers were on to something 🤔
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@@julianatocade3594 uuum. We have A Winchester at home but no idea what you're really talking about or trying to say
Wayward Winchester i understand Lucifer and 1 third of the angels casted from heaven but i diagree some people .... calling him satan...he's an fallen angel , thus his name should stay lucifer
Hey are you a Christian just asking
Keep up the great work! I love your videos!
“Can you act a little less....lordly?”
“But I am the Lord.”
Thomas Weeden best Chuck quote
Gg
Huhuhu poor children i wish u knew this, it was his dream all the time , to be the lord equal to king of gods, so Zeus.
Disguise of Jesús Crist.
Im still furiose bcoz to achive that goal, he had to change me to a horrible creature. Meanwhile a was just a simple Boy on earth.
@@kingangel5837 whatever you are smoking, can I please buy some?
@@kingangel5837 me as well
Sam and Dean Winchester... The only humans to ever have front row seats to an argument between The Devil and God himself. Wow..... Legendary
@Darth Vader Did he say it was real? We all know it's a tv show lol
Agreed.
Darth Vader And you’re a fictional space wizard.
@@wuttatota148 Although I would totally watch a debate between the two as we just silently watch with popcorns in our hands.
Next to killing hitler.
Chucks actor is honestly amazing, the way he can play both a narcissistic sociopath sometimes and play a loving and caring father at other times is truly astounding
Yeah his acting as the villain in Lucifer Series is also amazing.
@@Morpheusdarkson fucking hate him for killing you know who
@@magnusthered4973 when Luci got him on his knees in the end I was so happy. This season honestly is my favourite season after season 3.
@@magnusthered4973 Jack?
Like all narcissistic sociopaths
Good lord Misha did such a fantastic job acting as Lucifer
Misha was PERFECT as Lucifer!
Yes Very good
I think Mark was better
Max Mustermann
Mark also did amazing work As Lucifer
Yeah i didnt see cass at all
“Do you have any idea.. what it’s like when you argue with your father. But your father is god.” That’s so funny bruh
And the camera pans to dean and Sam and they’re like nope I don’t know
There's a reason why God is referred to as Father.
I think Sam and Dean DID know...their father was God to them. My father was certainly a God in my eyes.
@@randallflagg6271 That was really the themes of the first five seasons of Supernatural. Sam and Dean being the mirror to the ultimate battle to Michael and Lucifer. If Sam and Dean were mirrors to the angels, then John Winchester was a mirror to God.
I've always made the comparison of people's relationship with God as being a metaphor for their own family.
Remember what Lucifer said to Nick in S5 E1. "Contrary to popular belief, I don't lie".
So everyone is surprised that Lucifer was right. But he never lied.
He doesn't need to lie. The truth is damaging enough and he doesn't even have to twist it that much. The truth might set you free, but it can also damn you forever.
of course he doesnt lie ...he doesnt need to . he can destroy everyone if he wanted to
He lies all the time.
@Victor Palacios well he did ... he told them he could give them their wings back... he couldn't... he also couldn't birth new angels if I remember correctly
He definitely lie before, for example, off the top of my head, about his ability to create angels and give them wings. There are probably more examples but need to refresh my memory a little
"You heard that right?"
Funny how Luficer hates humanity but he is more human than god :D.
Really?
You usually hate/get annoyed by things/people that are similar to you
@@izzyduh3509 dito
@@brianscott9153 I'm very much Swedish so you have to explain what 'dito' means. And if you're being rude, then just leave me tf alone.
@@izzyduh3509 Ditto means touche or I agree
One thing I always found interesting was how when Lucifer beat Michael he wanted to preserve the earth and seemed to treasure nature (and maybe also animals) just not humans. But when Michael won he basically (as far as I remember) destroyed everything, not just humans but also plants, animals and monsters.
This rendition of Lucy is a two faced masochist that basks in the blood of anything he can get his grimy hypocritical hands on. But in his defense, if his dad wasn't playing favorites, things would've been for the better.
Fucking good point.
Wow I was just speaking about that too lol. I know right!
Technically, he didn't beat Michael, in that alternate future Michael and all the other angels just left the planet after Dean kept refusing to become his vessel. But yeah, your point still stands, just wanted to point that out ^^;
Michael only did it because he was trying to get revenge on God, to be fair.
That awkward moment when Lucifer was right all along
Apocalypse world Micheal was too.
zack stoner lucifer and APO world michael both said earth and chucks creations meant nonthing to him and just failed test
zack stoner if you can’t read sub text and read between the lines go rewatch the show, and pick up on stuff they said and stuff lucifer and apocalypse world Michael said about “God” you feel like your talking to your 4 year old son I feel like I’m explaining to someone who doesn’t watch shows.
zack stoner APO- Apocalypse I’m not sure if you watched show but APO was clearly referring to apocalypse world Michael even this comment thread says Michael and Michael that harbored hatred towards chuck, hence god was apocalypse world Michael. In show lucifer and Apo michael says chuck dosen’t care about anything he creates and if it fails he runs along and creates something new.
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This is why I love Supernatural. They're wacky enough to do a crossover with Scooby Doo and an intervention between God and the devil
I loved the other twist on those events in Lucifer too
I felt so sad for Lucifer, all he wanted was for God/Chuck to love him more. He just wanted his fathers love and apology.
This is why i don't believe in regular baptist Christianity
@@a1uplift212 lol because of a show that's isn't real ?
@@JayJay-cl5ln yes exactly 😂
@@JayJay-cl5ln What is "real"? How do you define "real"... is God real or is God just an imagination......
That's not how it went down in real life.
who else wishes it could have been Mark portraying Lucifer here? I just feel the performance so much more when Mark portrays Lucifer. Misha is a wonderful actor, but Lucifer isnt a good fit for him. Mark was one of the most believable performances ive seen on the show
rick did a great job here
Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahha
I agree. Mark has a sense of menace to his Lucifer which cuts through how over exaggerated his character is.
I like Misha but he doesn’t have that same level of intimidation or bubbling aggression so his performance comes off as a bit ham and parodic
Mark just struck that perfect balance between humour and malevolence
Yeah
I think Misha was the better choice for talking to Chuck. He shows emotions better. Mark is better at playing the villain. But Misha is better at playing the human side of angels which is what was needed for that scene.
Early seasons Lucifer terrifies the Winchesters.
Later seasons, Winchesters just want him and daddy to make up and even stick up for him.
It’s so sad what they did to Lucifer, like just the fact Dean and Sam were in the scene acting so nonchalant with Lucifer after what they went through with you know, the apocalypse.
God was safeguarding, Lucifer couldn't have done anything to them
God had it where Lucifer couldn’t do anything to them in that scene
Ngl, Misha is great here, but I really would have liked to see this scene with the actual Lucifer actor
That would’ve been great
Detective!
@@ktofficial4945 hey we may get that scene in the next episode.
I imagine mark Pellegrino would have been deeper
@@cubai5740 yea. Man that guy played a fucking amazing lucifer
Lucifer is often credited for being the most prideful but after the final episode of the second last season I wonder who is really the most prideful
Love me, obey me, and come home when you're journey is over. Sounds like a father to me.
I love this series. But it is for entertainment purposes. This series is quite anti-biblical. The truth is, Lucifer is the most prideful. God is above all already, what is the point of raising Himself even further? The position is still the same. Lucifer was below God. He sinned against Him, and this was cast from Heaven.
@@MainframeSupertasker exactly , Lucifer wanted to be like god.
@@MainframeSupertasker Yes but the biblical version only applied to them when they were immortal beings. Older people show growth and wisdom because, when time is running out, they have to look back at their lives and put it in perspective. Time is meaningless to an immortal so Lucifer and Chuck never had reason to do that. Thats why the show's version is so interesting. Because of Sam, Dean, Amara, Michael etc, Lucifer and Chuck know they can die and finally have to come to grips with who they are just like the rest of us.
@@MainframeSupertasker Pride definition: The quality or state of being proud; inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, rank etc., which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve and often contempt of others.
That's literally the biblical God 💀
Obey me or burn
Love me or burn
Believe in me or burn
I am all powerful so I can do whatever I please and call it good
I am above you all and shall all worship me for eternity for what is inherently me
Again, if y'all don't think that's pride then you're beyond help
The irony is that while Lucifer WAS right about God... he was also God's son; incapable of seeing his own flaws. He constantly calls out God for making him the Devil in biblical history, and then kills everyone who gets in his way, upsets him or mildly sasses him. Or looks at him funny. Or tells a joke that makes him laugh.
He is the Arch-Angel closest to his father, so we all should've seen this coming.
EDIT: For example, the simple irony of, "It's not like he invented the Prius, something that actually WORKS." God invents humans, humans invent the Prius. His joke actually highlights the humans creating things greater than themselves, which is one of the larger themes of the whole series, but uses it as a slight for God creating humans in the first place.
The fact of the matter is, God didn't create humans to be better than him. He created humans out of a desire to create, and asked the Angels to praise them as his 'finest work' because it was the work he was most proud of, but never considered them 'better' than he was, or ever considered his own failings as a creature. After all, he created almost all other life in the universe save his sister and maybe death; who does he have to compare himself to that he himself did not create?
But God created us in his own image (in Supernatural lore at least), and as we are flawed so is he. And as the Angel closest to God, Lucifer is actually the angel closest to humanity: the least machine/soldier-like angel. Which, unfortunately, also makes him the most flawed... but with the greatest potential.
"Could you be... A little less... Lordly?"
"But I... I am the Lord."
That always cracks me up
The way God’s actor delivered that line is brilliant
And now you find out lucifer was kinda anti hero the entire time
Yeah but he was still an evil prick who slaughtered innocents and was a pretty demented person.
Maverick McFarlane yea but I realy liked him
Crowley was more an anti-hero than Lucifer.
More like anti-villian
Maverick McFarlane but the antihero still holds. He was made to wear the mark and yea it didn’t make him the way he was. But it brought all those actions he resisted brought to the service. He was traumatized with no one to help him. So he made hell traumatized, manipulated, and lied to a lot of people. Even his own son.
If anything, the actor who played Lucifer did an amazing job of making the audience feel bad for Lucifer. But yea, anyway it’s sliced he was right about god. I mean supernaturals!god.
Its sad when you realize that Lucifer was right all along!
Sean Bardgett BIG FACTS
Lucifer isn't even a bad guy he's just a the poster boy for being a misanthrope it's not evil it's just kinda sucky
@@_xxdillydillyxx1_6 We misanthropes may not agree with chucks world. But, cookies are perfect lmao 😂🤣😅
Right about what? 😮
I am pretty sure Chuck is Lucifer not god
The irony is that Lucifer was always right about Chuck and his interest in his creation, so much so that Chuck even dared to lock up his sister Amara... In the Unity chapter Amara merged with Chuck to be a single cosmic entity where Chuck has the command, I believe that in the creation Amara was the one that had the Light and the Dark and create the Universe... As we all know Amara the Goddess of Darkness had more empathy for humanity than Chuck
Ye. She was the wise one.
Knowing what we know now, this scene is so disturbing in a way. Chuck had such little respect for Lucifer he was lying through his teeth that entire time. He truly didn’t care about anyone, as long as his story continued on the right path he would lie to anyone
Which is half the reason I don't like the new season. This was a brilliant scene and I feel season 15 completely ruins it
@@AussieRider20 exactly. I think we can all agree that chuck wasn't evil and should never get evil but the writers ran out of ideas and big baddies, so they chose to make him a villain instead of getting a bit creative with something new
@@AussieRider20 ruins it is a bit strong. As soon as I learned Chuck was God and season five, I knew he was the ultimate bad guy. After all, he was the one who created all of the misery that Sam and dean had to go through.
The only complaint I have is it took 14 seasons for them to realize that it was him who was the author (no pun intended) of all of their grief.
What if chuck wanted to be defeated? To me, Chuck knew everything, he's all-knowing, so I knew it would end that way, but that's what he wanted: to be the last and most powerful boss in his story: Supernatural. However, he wasn't the best in this role as other antagonists were a bit more natural and interesting, but Chuck isn't an actor or a character, he's a writer. He could get rid of people and Sam and Dean if he wanted to. He didn't do that because I think he didn't want that. Also, in Despair we see that Chuck knew about Jack's death and plan, he really seems to be omniscient. The last scene near the lake where its protagonists Sam, Dean and Jack win by taking all their divine powers is, according to me, desired by Chuck (as seems foreshadowed in Atomic Monsters). And he probably wanted to be killed by them too, it would have been an honor (but he probably knew they wouldn't). The begging part and his defeat was theatrical, just the way he likes it: the evil almighty God who destroyed the worlds losing to the good and fantastic protagonists of his story and cursed to be a mere human being for the rest of his life. his life. A poetic ending like the one he said he wanted at the end of 14x20. That for me explains a lot of things about the season 15 finale and it doesn't ruin Chuck's character.
Yeah, I can't buy that💁🏻♀️ Chick wasn't evil, they just made him evil because they apparently thought they just had to keep going bigger and bigger until inevitably God himself becomes the bad guy. It's just dumb.
Lucifer was right the whole time.
Maybe but it doesn’t change the fact that lucifer is a complete monster with no moral ambiguity whatsoever on his side.
And thus a television show with fiction. :P
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 monsters weren't born they were made
Oh Lucifer was still a bad person and did terrible things but he was 100% right about God.
@@xDinomanx lol so you believe eveything a bad person with no morals would say, but your own creator who built everything.
Now, Lucifer can now laugh at us and say “I told you so”.
18:51 *Lucifer* : I’m sorta running Heaven rn
Priests: *BLASPHEMY*
My favorite part 🤣🤣🤣
ok
😑 “New suit, thank you very much”
I wish Lucifer and Michael played a bigger role in the finale. Seeing them make peace and fight against God then rule heaven together would have been soooo good. Especially after rewatching this episode that really humanized Lucifer. It sucks that they just made him into a sarcastic villain again after this
He is a villain
I felt really bad for Luci because all he wanted was his fathers love
All Lucifer ever wanted was to be GOD and become more powerful then him and that's where he made his first mistake. Lucifer will fall and rot in hell when it's all said and done and that is something he already knows.
@@mikefit3343 Bruh 🤦♀️
@@DennisSchilling656 he still didnt change after this apolagy so he was an Assbut
Every time!
@@mikefit3343no lol
It’s sad to see Michael and Lucifer fight because you know Lucifer is right and Michael can’t see it...
@playthrough and mapping they probably meant in show
“God wanted the devil” such big signs right there. What is the point
when you are the one that literally created everything a being can comprehend then you are always both the hero and the villain.
@@masterreaper115 he couldve created perfect beings but no, had to create flaws, had to create corruption, death, evil. Why did he? Why make us flawed? Is that not evil?
@@thelonelyduck7267 lol the only flaw he gave us was to give us the chance to choose good or evil.. unlike luci and them Angel's, they are following a script.. a script to separate the wheat from the tears. There's your evolution, to either go with the evil of the world, or die not being a part of the evil and sick things happening to humanity since the beginning of time.
2:49 Haha Sam defending Lucifer is the biggest character development, especially considering their relationship since Season 5.
13:00 it's funny how the angels and archangels don't look in the mirror when saying humans are flawed murderous when they themselves and god are both the same. a quote would be "you are what you create"
God and Satan going through a Dr Phil session 😆 had to love the humor of this show
Now i finally understand why Michael and Lucifer chose the vessels they did, now you understand the story of cain and abel and why Dean was able to relate to Cain, why Cain killed his brother, the good son going down the road of good intentions, now the speech that Lucy/Sam makes at the end reflects the speech in the final season.....ITS BRILLIANT....
Lucifer has daddy and auntie issues
Doesnt everybody in this fallen world have daddy issues ? That's why they are destroying the family and making sure all the kids are educated by the state
Auntie?
@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749 amara, his aunt...damn the darkness being your aunt has to be tough
i have “do you have any idea how hard it is to argue with your father when your father is god” stuck in my head ALL DAY
This is why I hated what they did with Chuck at the end. All of this good development and it went out the window so he could be the final boss.
I remember when this show was about hunting a supernatural entity that had yellow eyes, later confirmed to be a demon, and to stoping the apocalypse and the rise of Lucifer.
"Pretty sure that's all fathers"
Yep sounds about right
Nice little Forest Gump easter egg.
"Dear god, make me a bird so I can fly..."
Default Name I caught that as well 😀
Interestingly, the entire God and Lucy therapy scene raises so many logical inconsistencies.
So God knew that the mark would corrupt Lucy, so imprisons Lucy and Amara? Apparently the mark is the problem. Also, God allowed some simple oversight such as Death’s scythe to be Death’s undoing AND the one-shot means to unleash the darkness?
Speaking of the darkness. Since nothing can escape from the empty (except when a god-level character calls for it), why didn’t Chuck toss Amara into the empty?
Also, for an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, God was clueless about the future and the effects of things it should’ve foreseen, such as extinction events (which weren’t due to human intervention)?
And, it allowed human beings to destroy each other instead of reengineering out genome to eliminate greed, hate and disease?
It's all about pride and ego. As a writer, I can sympathize with that.
Kind of ironic that Lucifer in Sam's body is wearing an all white suit, which white is synonymous to being pure. Also ironic that Dean said that he'll always say no to Michael, but in season 13 he doesnt.
Micheal calls lucifer ‘little brother’ but lucifer was the first born😅
In Supernatural, Michael was the first archangel but Lucifer was the most beloved prior to his corruption by the Mark bringing out his dormant jealousy towards his brothers and humanity and amplifying it to omnicidal levels.
@@AspieMediaBobby Amara said Lucifer was God's first Son when she captured Lucifer. maybe Lucifer and Michael were created in the same time but Michael take the role of big brother
Absolute power definitely corrupts absolutely.
When you think about it Chuck wasn’t always the villain. At some point in the past he did genuinely want to help his followers. But as time grew he became disillusioned with the world and its people. I mean when you could literally create entire dimensions like nothing then do your creations really mean that much when you could snap your fingers and create infinitely more it wouldn’t be long before you start wondering what is real and what is fake. I mean if you could literally create a person with a snap of your fingers are they real?
I kinda like the route the writers are currently going with Chuck. A benevolent entity that was corrupted by his own power to be disillusioned with reality.
I agree but that is not corruption. It is just might makes right dynamic and expression of egoism which is fundamentally only basis of "morality" for all living creatures.
Sam when taken over by Lucifer can kind of look like he good play a good joker! When he smiles he reminds of the joker.
Last time I was this early, sam had a girlfriend
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I like how you can see the same characters get played by different actors all through the show
Lucifer literally has tortured human souls to the point of turning into demons, then had them do it to other humans. Then all those demons went up to Earth and caused lots of messes. I mean..... where does he get off claiming to be such a victim? Have we forgotten what he did to Sam in the Pit?
@@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล And don't forget the Mark.
@@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล Yes, I think Lucifer was perfect before he was corrupted. I guess he didn't have red eyes. Remember what Uriel said in season 4.
@@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล Yes, Lucifer had it all figured out. In my opinion, Lucifer is the smartest among all the angels. It can't be a coincidence if we call him a "light bearer"
But still, I want to believe that God had his own reasons for doing this. Even Amara (her sister) thinks that God is not bad and that he has his own reasons. What if everything was a test to prove family values? I refuse to believe that God is the villain of the last season. I'm sure it's Billie who lies for his own interests
@@bababamooo906 u were wrong
@@colt7526 Yes lol
3:21 when he tell god and Lucifer “yeah I lie and tell Sam I’m sorry all the time”
I know he only did it for three episodes, but Rick Springfield did a real good job portraying Lucifer
That moment Lucifer realizes
Oh shit he did love me
I read this book the Revelations of Lucifer the Divine and how it painted Lucifer changed my whole perspective of him. And to actually see it being kind of played out... How much Lucifer does care is something I really thought I would never see on TV. It honestly warms my heart while at the same time breaking it because of how he just wanted his father's love.
3:13 Looking back at this and seeing dean say that you can say sorry without really meaning it and with the next scene with god and lucifer and god saying that lucifer was his most prized son and knowing the future seasons you realise that everything he said to lucifer was a compete lie and likely didnt mean any of it.
I love how Lucifer talks to the demon during the exorcism all normal lmao
Ikr🤣🤣🤣
So many juicy, well-written monologues in this show, must have been fun as an actor to do a lot of these
11:18 how the series will end. Except that isn’t Lucifer it’s God
Satan's actions are a bit hypocritical, though. You can't argue for free will yet simultaneously blame your actions on someone else.
"There's nothing down here but a bunch of hopeless distraction addicts. So filled with emptiness- so desperate to fill the void that they don't mind being served a rerun of a rerun of a rerun."
What a poignant commentary on the show, the entertainment industry in general, and us as viewers/human beings! Like, ouch. Even as I type this and you read it we're proving his point. Well played! Well played! Major kudos to the writers on that one.
If it's so correct, why not choose not be a distraction addict anymore?
I wish he was the original Lucifer’s actor he was so good
Rick Springfield played Lucifer brilliantly.
I'd love to see more of this actor.
To this day, I'm not sure I approve of the God heel turn. Not because I'm religious or anything, but because he had never really hinted at a bad nature in any of Kripke's seasons.
wow Lucifer talking to the angles in the body of castiel he sounds so much like the body lucifer has been most of the show
All those recent revelations really do put a whole new spin on the events from the earlier seasons, and indeed on Lucifer himself...
“A little plague to straighten them out.” Wow, that line….
Misha’s acting reallyyy shows when he turns from Castiel to Lucifer! ON POINT! Close your eyes in the last scene and you’d think its Mark
Pellegrino.
"Hey, assbutt!"
Gets me everytime
Something about God going “Okay enough from the peanut gallery” before sending Dean and Sam away, is so damn funny to me.
This is the most legend scene I've ever seen. Two mythology creatures having a human conversation. Dean and Sam r blessed
You think you slick 🤣
God is not a myth
24:44 I couldn't help but laugh when Lucifer asked to be called that. It's not only the fact that it's ridiculous, it's just so cute. But not in a pitiful way- it's just.. adorable
Misha channeling Mark Pellegrino always makes me laugh
You should look at the Winchester's when Lucifer asks them you ever argue with your dad when your dad is the God!
25:50 "Hail to the king (eyes turn red)
baby." Man that's a badass line especially said by this actor.
It's crazy to know that lucifer was right about god the entire time 8:42 how he really was just controlling everyone with lucifer just wanting to walk away but micheal couldn't realize he was just like everything else that god made puppets with strings.
A very can you stop being the king and be just my parent? situation, and of course Chuck can't. So all his kids either act out or are perfect soldier.....the parallels to the Winchesters is brilliant.
23:13 Misha enjoyed acting as Lucifer way to much lmao
I was wrong. It was a well-written and well-plotted series. I was still a big fan till the whole God thing showed up, but I still watched it to the very end like I did with Angel. Thanks, Wayward Winchester !
It is SO OBVIOUS when Kripke is writing the Devil versus when a hack writer is. I hate all of SPN post season 5.
Can’t wait to see the talk between Lucifer and god on the Netflix series
14:36 - When Lucifer was talking to Dean it was like it hurt him when Dean said that, almost like he was talking to his brother who said something very similar to him.
Lucifer may be evil but it’s not entirely his fault. Especially considering Chuck wanted this all to happen. He wanted to lock Amara away, he wanted the Mark to corrupt Lucifer and he wanted it to corrupt Dean so that they would unleash Amara so that he could come play the hero.
They always blame god when the person is responsible for their own choices.
This show is so crazy it makes a monster from hell into kind of a person we love
A satanic show to fit the end times we are living in... Maranatha! †
Guess u never saw show Lucifer from netflix
o o f lol
In the original translation of the Hebrew bible Lucifer wasn't ever depicted as evil or against god more as a tester of people. He also wasn't the snake in Eden that is something made up to put on a good vs evil storyline. And his actual fall from heaven isn't depicted as something that has happened more so as something that is going to occur.
25:20 that smile fade into the bowing to him in the throne segment was *MUAH* (chefs kiss) *PERFECTION!*
Loved this episode it was so cool and AWESOME. Gonna miss SPN. I'll just continue to watch reruns. Love to Jensen and Jared and everyone else bye Christine FAN 4EVER.
what episode was this?
@@dogsdreamtoo8427 season 11 episode 21
Yk it’s funny, in the scene where Lucifer is talking to Michael asking “why are we doing this” makes a lot more sense seeing how the show ends. It’s all just part of God trying to make a story, he actually peeps the fact they’re pitted against each other no reason besides God’s enjoyment.
Yeah watching it back, knowing how it ends, really highlights certain scenes like the one you mwntioned
I wonder if Michael would get out of the cage
I starting to think the writers just forgot that they didn’t kill him off like Raphael or even existed at all lol.
Well season 15 may grant your wish
That first scene where God apologizes to Lucifer would have been so much more impactful if Mark Pelligrino played Lucifer in that scene. I love Cas, but that should have been Mark.
Michael being a Blind soldier
Me:*doesnt understand why it’s Sam*
Me after a few milliseconds:*earrape*OH YEAH
Lucifer: yea imma listen and answer to all prayers.
**listens to three seconds of prayers**
Lucifer: aight I’ve had enough
Damn, Lucifer hit the nail on the head all the way back in season 5.
Gotta give misha props for nailing the facial expressions lol
25:50 they ruined that
"Praise the lord"
Would have been such a great line for that moment
When You Realize Lucifer Was Right
Che Gotti yeah and AW Michael was right as well.
BROO that's crazy, Rob Benedict plays God here but in the show "Lucifer" he plays the guy who almost kills Lucifer and his family!
And God from "Lucifer" plays Cain in Supernatural.
Castiels actor did such a great job changing his personality depending on who was in his vessel
Reading all these sympathy comments for Lucifer and realizing that this show is making a whole swath of people relate more with the devil than with God and wondering if this was the plan all along? 🤔 🤷♂️
Its all fiction anyways
Hades was actually fair
Steve FromPA dame with Lucifer the show
Inciner8 Supernatural is a work of fiction created for entertainment.
People relate more to Lucifer because he's flawed and so are humans.
10:07 Lucifer😈 Man Year's later Almost a Echo how when Sam and Dean Find out the truth about Chuck/God Just Playing about with Story's aka (In Dean's voice) OUR LIFES! Great editing brother👊👍
Our Lives*
When Lucifer says hail to the king
Me: ASH SOMEONE STOLE YOUR LINE!
Rick Springfield did a wonderful job with portraying Mark Pelligrino’s Lucifer
Please please please post more like this! This was so incredibly amazing
It was cool when Lucifer was in Cass body. Cass was a good Lucifer. Look at how Chuck was here compared to the last season . WTF happened to him!? I don’t understand , why did he become so dark !? Why he turned his back on humanity !? I hated it but maybe the writers were on to something 🤔