Documentary/History: The STM | Montreal QC, Canada
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Hey Guys, Here is the next installment to the History/Documentary Series. it is on the STM or the Montreal Metro. The Montreal metro or STM dates all the way back to the 1960s. The original lines opened on October 14, 1966 and was the second subway system, in all of Canada. The system has seen several extensions throughout the decades. The rolling stock has changed a lot too, the MR-63s are the longest running Subway cars in all of North America. Running from 1966 - 2018. As always, don't forget to like, comment and subscribe and DFTBA!
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I got to ride in the metro with my parents for the first time in November 1966 (I was 7). It was an amazing experience. What you missed was the context in which Drapeau was able to move forward with the metro - the coming of Expo 67 - they used the waste from the tunnelling to build the islands that were to be home to the exposition. While I moved away from Montreal in 1989, before that the metro was part of my daily life, commuting from my parents' place in the suburbs to school (McGill) then to work. The original line was able to connect people living on the South Shore into downtown without having to spend hours commuting over the bridge to the island. Henri Bourassa was the station that was the northern most, meaning people who lived on the island of Laval, had to take a bus over the bridge to catch the metro at Henri Bourassa. It had been a huge debate for many years to bring the metro to Laval - people in Laval did not want Montreal's tax burden to run the metro. However, as you pointed out eventually, the extension did go from Henri Bourassa over to Laval, ending at Montmorency where a large CEGEP campus had been built. Just a note, you really should have had someone coach you on the French pronunciations. Yikes!
Thanks, Nick. I rode on the Montreal Metro in August of 1973. It was a fun system.
As a person who was born in Montreal, thanks for covering it. My favorites were the MR-63's as a child taking the Green line.
I miss the "musical" MR-63. A video on the history of the MR-63 would be cool. "Doo doo doo..." (I am not talking about the chime, here...it's an interesting story, actually)
@@sg1gr The musical MR-63 is the Jeumont variant (of which 3 existed). They were prototype current choppers made by Canron fitted onto existing MR-63s as a test for what would later become the MR-73. Unlike the latter, the Jeumonts had louder current chopper frequencies and all 5 of them were audible. The final two in existence were retired in 2017 alongside other MR-63 trains.
@@mikeamber2528 Yes, the Jeumont was such an interesting surprise. First, it was musical. Second, the notes resembled "Fanfare for the Common Man", which was also used as a theme for Expo '67 in Montreal. Many have found that connection a really cool coincidence.
@@mikeamber2528 Yes, they were retired. I remember that day. Did you ever go to Station F-MR? The metro cars were transformed into a site for a cafe in Griffintown by the canal. I took some really cool photos of them.
A good video. Two things you may not have realized while you rode the STM was the gradiants that the system has. Rubber tire can handle the fast change in depth far faster than rail systems. The second thing , with the entire system underground, including the depots, you do not have the rust issue caused by winter of bad weather so I was unsurpirsed that the fleet lasted so long.
Great job Nick! Awesome video....
Really like your video! I think one of the main reasons are trains last so long here is because our system is completely underground and therefore isn't really exposed to the harsh winters we have. We also do to take really good care of our trains they aren't spotless but they aren't extremely dirty either
As a montrealer im happy you did a episode on our metro
Actually the announcement on the Azur is the older versions and the one on the mr63/73 are the newer ones she had to re-record them because people said that the old one was to rough
Both of my grandfathers were conductors and knew of each other before my parents met. My grandfather asked my dad where did he get that (STCUM) sticker on his car bumper. I have great memories of my childhood. Thxx for documentary.
You have to remember...Boston trains don't hold up as well because most of the MBTA's tracks are above ground and trains are exposed to the elements. The Montreal Metro is completely underground. Another difference is that Boston is a seaport and the salt air also contributes to corrosion. The MBTA's workers should be congratulated for keeping the Hawker trains running as long as they did on the Blue Line (before the Siemens trains arrived) as well as the Hawker trains currently on the Orange Line. The Red and Orange Lines are receiving new trains from CRRC, but I doubt they will run nearly as long. The problems they've experienced so far do not inspire confidence. I am old enough to remember the 0900 and 01100 series cars on what is now the Orange Line, the Osgood Bradley cars on the Red Line and the old 1920's trains on the Blue Line. The Boston Elevated, the MTA and now the MBTA have actually maintained vehicles quite well. It's politicians and administrators who have not had comprehensive plans to renew vehicles, stations, and infrastructure in a timely fashion.
This was very well said. You raise some good points.
Lovely video! learnt some new things about montreal.
But As a Parisian I need to point out that the Paris metro didn't convert to rubber tires, only 4 of the 13 existing lines (1,4,6,11, and the 14 but that was build with tires) were converted. A lot of people make that mistake, but you've made the least worse for them.
Most egregiously I've seen a french railway channel say in a video that a metro has to have rubber to be called a metro, which is quite literally ignoring the other 11 lines as well as every metro/subway apart from Montreal, mexico and Santiago.
I don't want to diss your video, it's great.
Are there lots of fights on the Paris Metro? Is it dirty as people claim it is?
@@cariopuppetmaster people exaggerate it a lot. I've lived here my whole life and I've only seen one fight. The stops I usually use are clean, not prestine but not as bad as people describe them.
Some of the larger stations like chatellet, Saint Lazare and la defense can get pretty dirty in some places though for sure.
13:48 because it is fully underground that’s why
really good video! Well edited and explained and I'm glad you posted it :)
You said that, during the inauguration weekend, starting on October 14th 1966, more than one million people used it. That success is due to the fact that Montrealers had waited long enough for it and... that the access was free. I was 14 at the time and I remember very well the crowd of people. The access was also free in 2007, when the three métro stations in Laval were opened . These stations had elevators and soon, the STM began constructing elevators in existing stations. Since these stations had not been designed to have elevators, the STM is still working on it.
One note: The reason the doors open along the outside of the trains is that there is more windows and less blind spots, also it give more room inside the trains by having thinner walls Thus more room inside with the same train width
An extention to the blue line is currently in the work. Adding about 5 station
The new REM ( public transport on the surface and connected to the metro )will be maybe to modern for you and fully automated .. the line from Brossard to downtown Montreal crossing the Champlain bridge will be running ever 2 .5 minutes and offering amazing views ... thanks for your videos I appreciate your work .. hope you like our beautiful city
Awesome shots, epic Montreal.
Fun fact: Paris never used concrete rollways for rubber tyred metro as far as I know. It might be a trial by SOFRETU engineers in Montreal to reduce costs.
Indeed Paris first used Azobé (Lophira alata) wooden planks (still used for railroad ties also) and then transitioned to steel metal I-beams. Theses are sometimes grooved to helps evacuate water and melting snow or covered in adherent coating in slippy areas. The wooden planks are expensive but resistant rot and insects and don't need to be treated with harmful creosote. This rare trees were abundantly found in former French colonies.
good one! rollway, because it's its concrete that unnecessarily amplifies!! the noisiness...queer, because the greediest strain of corporateers are by whom the heaps!! of investment into quietening the touristy and long-abandoned Expo Express were levied
Nice video, but I think you have your lamp descriptions mixed up between the 63 and 73 cars.
Thanks for that!
Great documentary! I have learned some new stuff on the metro of my own city! I have taken the Boston subway once, but I don't remember much, because I was very mad at the machine that took my last American dollar without giving me my ride ticket :/
I don't think there's 2 MR-63 at the canadian railway museum (Exporail), last time i went there where only 1...
Here are all of the other 4 locations that are still up today:
First Location: École Polytechnique De Montréal (The New Building.)
Location Three: Jardins de Metis: Gaspésie... (Really Far Away)
Location 4: Hydro Quebec Montreal Bd de la Vérendrye
Location 5: The MR 63 At Taz Skate Park. Even More With MR 63 Seats At The Restaurant.
One correction I would point out is that the LED screens in the MR-73 trains were installed before the mid 2000s refurbish. They were installed in the early 90s.
Good video, but just for your info, the metro is not the STM but rather it is part of it. STM stands for Societe de Transport de Montreal which includes the metro and all the bus lines. Also, the first metro cars were built by the Canadian Vickers Company and not Canadian Victor as you stated.
Keeping it underground mean that a very minimum of homeowners were displaced- only for station entry sites.
Great video
in minute 7:03 where is located that entrance?
I can’t get my mind around rubber tires on a train. I’m sure there’s a system of rails that keeps the train centered in the roadway. The ride and noise level must be much improved over steel wheels as well. Still love the steel, though.
Forgot an important detail about the metal rails of the Montreal Metro, it conducts the power to the trans also.
Sorry for forgetting this detail.
Good Video Nick Canada Maintenance train better then BOSTON 😮😮😮😮❤❤
The open gangway we use the word COBRA style it sound more visual.
before corona, wait times between trains on the Orange and Green lines used to be every 2 minutes!
Shit that’s fucking Insane!!! Wish the T had those wait times!
@@NickDaltonYT yeah it's amazing, although I forgot to mention that it's only during rush hour; off-peak frequencies are around 5-7 minutes
the original line? but a pair's worth introduced its opening followed by the 3rd line barely ½ year afterwards...!
MR 63 still running
I thin you mixed them up. The horzonlats are the mr-63 ad the vertical, mr-73
also, the white seated ones where the 63
Off topic but, will you do the history of the green line soon?
stop asking me about it
Yeesh it’s just a question
I am from Philadelphia.
SEPTA (SouthEastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority) is 57 years old in existence age.
Is STM 55 years old or older?
The CTM (Commission de Transport de Montréal) was created in 1951 after taking over private tram companies. It managed the tramways and buses, and in 1966 the metro.
Then, in 1970, it got renamed to CTCUM (Commision de Transport de la Communauté Urbaine de Montréal). It operated buses on the island and the greater montreal as well as the metro.
In 1985, the CTCUM becomes the STCUM (Société de transport de la communauté urbaine de montréal). Under the STCUM, bus routes outside the island were put onto the CTL (Commision de transport de laval) and the STRSM (Société de Transport de la Rive-Sud de Montréal). The STCUM also started operating commuter trains.
In 2002, the STM was officially created by law, and had the mandate to operate only the island's buses and the metro.
In 2002, Commuter trains were removed from the STM and put under an new authority, the AMT (Agence Métropolitaine de Transport). The AMT was abolished in 2017 by law, along with 15 other regional transport authorities from the greater montréal, and got replaced by a new organisation called EXO.
So technically, the STM was created in 2002, it would be only 20 years old.
But practially, it exists since 1951, which is 71 years old.
@@gaelfortier2668 oh. Okay. I didn't realize that the thing on wikipedia waa false, as it said that STM was created 2 years after SEPTA was established. Oof. But now, thanks for correcting the information that I received.
@@lordmegatrong1918 Oh that's weird... I based my comment on the french Wikipédia article of the STM...
@@gaelfortier2668 oh. Okay. Weird, I don't know who is right now.
@@lordmegatrong1918 The french article is most likely to be the correct one. In general, articles about quebec will usually have more care given to french article (it's our provincial language).
The only reason why the old Blue Cars built by Pullman Car Company lasted so long on the Blue Line was because the line ran from Maverick Station to Bowdoin Station until the East Boston line was built from Maverick Station to Orient Heights Station then from Orient Heights to Wonderland Station the only time that the # 0500 to # 0547 were rebuild when the East Boston Line ( Blue Line ) went to Wonderland Station in 1972 the Pullman’s were rebuild again with the trains being repaired and repainted to the white and blue on the outside and the inside painted a light blue with yellow car numbers on the both ends in 1980 these were replace by the # 0600 series in 1982 a four car train of the # 0500 series were rebuild for a railroad conversion cars were # 0504 # 0505 # 0520 and # 0521 in the early 1978 cars # 0502 + # 0503 were rebuild with a snow blower on it to help keep the tracks clear when a major snowstorm hits Boston this train was Dave Gunn baby with # 0504 thru # 0521 were the last Pullman Car Company cars built in 1923 for the East Boston line ( Blue Line )
what the hell are you talking about
Where were you studying in Montreal?
Was studying with my college
Green line next pls
Uh actually the R32 Cars of the NYC Subway cars are the longest running subway cars in North America and in the world, from 1964 to 2022. At 58 years of service.
But NYC subway is so dirty and noisy ... the oldest subway in the world is London , England ... and nicer than NYC or any regular train subway system in North america
WithMontreal is getting the REm train ,the west island will never get a metro
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