Documentary/History: MBTA Orange Line
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024
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I’ve thought about making a video like this but this was really nice to watch. Like you, these cars are so special to me, even if I grew up from a kid fascinated by these subway cars that were quite the sensory experience to being a man who commuted to work and dealing with the frustrations from signal issues, the harsh Boston winters, and sadly, the aging of these cars. It will be sad when the cars are eventually scrapped. I would love to see all of them saved because they’ll be a time capsule for those who may have a curiosity of the past.
When I was growing up, my grandfather had me memorize each of the Orange Line stops from Oak Grove to Forrest Hills. I’m grateful for that because it actually helped me overcome some of my earliest experiences with autism and my then speech impediment. Some of my more fond memories in my later years would be just taking the ride from Oak Grove down to Forrest Hills to take in the different sights of Boston.
One of the things I always observed with these Orange Line cars was the door chime sound’s changes from their immaculate ding dong chime to the more whirly, broken ones in recent times.
Living in Texas these days, this video got me thinking of my Boston years. Nice to watch a part of my past. And neat to know how you’ve got fond memories of your life because of these trains.
That is so touching. I’m so glad you shared that. I will be sure to make the next video on the MBTA even better!
The Washington had a similar trestle work to Chicago loop L which opened earlier in 1897.
@@NickDaltonYT Bro me n my mom used to do that by stoney brook n green street!!! I almost teared up thinking about it,.. thank you man!!!
@@eddiemaxwell4276 oh wow I’m so glad you have such fond memories of it too thank you!!!
I was a "Red Line" guy all throughout College as I went to UMass Boston. However, every so often I'd have to jump on the orange. I used to like when the breaks would squeal around the bends, because you'd know your train was coming long before you saw it.
if you wanna her something loud go to boylston on te green line or bowdoin/governmnet center it way worse than any roange line sound
I've been a Green Line person as long as I can remember.
Use to ride el from Forest Hills to Dudley 1962 onward to get to
school, it was a trip!
I first rode those trains when I was in college during the summer when I returned to Boston from U Miami and in my 20s and 30s after I got a job in Boston. Left in 2000. Miss these trains. The Chinese ones look like toys.
I grew up in Jamaica Plain as well from 1979 through the mid 90s when I moved out. I lived through the old elevated trains and the route that replaced it. I remember seeing the new construction area and as a kid, didn't know what it would be until it opened. I remember going into and out of the old Dudley station and riding down Washington Street through Egleston Square and to Green Street where I used to get off. I also remember when Forest Hills was also elevated. The whole line reminded me of NYC's elevated, specially the line from Dudley to Essex where it would go through Northampton and Dover above Washington and along the Southend. It's a nice memory. I also found Dudley station fascinating since it used to be a much bigger station way back in the day long before my existence. Those old cars being replaced do bring back great memories as well since I actually got to ride on them and the ones they replaced before the L was torn down. I haven't ridden on the new ones yet. Some day I will.
Great job with this video. Maybe you can do one on old stations like Dudley (before the orange line), Forest Hills, the old stations before our time like Sullivan Square, Everett, you know, the real old stations. That would be nice.
I love it when the chimes would warble in pitch and the brakes releasing would have that rigorous huff. It always surprises me how fast both the hawker (1200’s) and CRRC (1400’s) can accelerate
In the late 1950s I took the Orange Line (elevated) from Forest Hills to State Street every working day, and what I enjoyed the most was being able to look out at the neighborhoods along the way. I also appreciated some of the original structures with their pantinaed copper fittings. While the new alignment is an improvement in most ways, I'm sure there is less to see.
Thanks for preserving this wonderful part of history. Since my family moved to the US in 1985, the Orange Line has been part of our lives, both the old elevated and the “new” Southwest Corridor,
Quite honestly I don’t think the southwest corner is considered “new“ anymore but it sure does I have a very special place in many Bostonian hearts
When I was a little boy growing up in Revere many years ago ,we kids thought it was great fun to sneak into the Blue Lines tracks and put our ears on the rails to the listen for an approaching trains. sometimes we'd even wait to see the train coming up from Beachmont to Shirley Ave and visa versa . Amazing none of us were killed and some of us actually went on to high school with the advent of the transistor hearing aid.
I have a similar feeling towards the 1972 London Underground stock! No replacements yet but they have just gone through their 4th refurbishment and the NTfL will likely be ordered as their replacement. Something about these older units is very comforting!
This series of Orange Line cars definitely hold a place not only in your heart but the whole community’s heart because of how long they’ve been getting people across Boston for the decades they’ve been in service.
That statement is EXACTLY why they should be refurbished. These things are so important to people all over and they are a part of history!!! These were the last trains to ride on the first mass evevated transit system in all of U.S. History!!! These should be marked as historical!!!
@@NickDaltonYT some will be preserved in museums
Almost willing to bet the seashore trolley Museum will have a few of these as they are a match for the blue line cars which were similar to this that they have in their collection
Funny you should mention the sound the trains make on concrete roadbed. Having grown up riding the subways in the 50s and 60s, I grew to like the click-clack sounds of the elevated trains. I spent lots of time on the orange line (getting on at Dudley or Egleston) as well as all the other lines. Sometimes when watching videos, I hear that click-clack sound and it brings back memories. I have no doubt that's why I became a railfan.
Good video.
I love this video! I grew up riding the orange line and love to learn about the history.
I really like the new orange line trains because of how clean they feel. The seats without carpet, bright lighting, and vibrant colors feel more modern and clean. Also, love the improved accessibility! There's open space which is great for parking wheelchairs or strollers or keeping service dogs against the wall to avoid getting stepped on. The doors each have the car number on one side with braille. Also, the fold-down seating is a great way to keep it accessible without sacrificing seats.
My grandma took the elevated line from the former Everett station as a child to get to school. I think that there should be a new rail connection to Everett because it could bring a lot of people into encore casino and help bring the city more money. There have been talks about building a commuter rail station in Everett as there are tracks in Everett used by the commuter rail. And there also used to be a trolly line going straight down broadway that also led to revere beach and the amusement park that existed back then before it was all torn down.
I live I’m Malden so yes these make memories like how on weekend I would got to the oak grove station and ride it all state station in Boston to have breakfast at my dad restaurant
Wow!! Love this . You know more than do. Don't forget Arborway I
Took the time to watch this during my ride back to NYC. I love how you have the personal connection to your home route; especially with the “equipment” that started the connection. I didn’t exactly appreciate a certain model on my home route when I was a kid, but now I do since they’re in their late life as some previous models have since retired.
As a small child in the 50s (yes,I'm showing my age!) my parents would take me often on the Orange Line from the then existing Everett Station, over the elevated tracks in Charlestown to the then called Washington St. Station (now Downtown Crossing). Thus began my lifelong fascination with urban rail transit. Lots of good memories riding this line.
Thank you for sharing!
I’m from Everett and I have always wondered why they cut us off from the rest of the live and didn’t just make a points connection at Sullivan square which could turn onto the Everett stretch and still keep Everett station. My grandma used to take it to get to school and it was right near what was the old Charleston chew factory
Thank you, what a lovely documentary. I also watched the red line one. Can't wait for the blue and green line documentaries.
Wow. You missed the entire early history of the Orange Line from 1901 to 1908 when the trains were run through the Green Line (BTC) trolley tunnels (as the diagram shows) while the future Orange Line (BERy) tunnel was built down Washington Street using the cut and cover method. Temporary wooden platforms were built in the Green Line stations to access the trains' higher doors. (Boylston Street Station was NEVER called Chinatown. The Essex Street Station was renamed Chinatown.) The BERy trains ran on a loop and branched off at Dover Street to run down the Atlantic Ave Elevated line which was taken down in the 1940s. I realize you were only reporting on the later years, but the early history is quite interesting.
Hi Nick, Great OL video! And just like my comments on your Red Line video, I can provide some earlier history of the line.
Although I was very young at the time, I remember riding the El (now the Orange Line) with my grandfather on the "really old" :-) Pressed Steel #8 and Laconia #9 cars. Those cars were retired around 1958-1959 as the 01100s were introduced. The 01100s were VERY quiet subway/El cars - among the quietest I've ever ridden and I've been on a great number of systems around the world. They used elements of PCC technology (like the #3 St. Louis cars on the Blue Line) and were fairly quick, reliable and VERY comfortable.
We used to take the bus to Egleston Square Station and ride those scary wooden escalators up to the platform and get off at Essex (for R.H. White's); Summer Street (to go directly into Filene's or Jordan Marsh); State Street to take the East Boston train to Revere Beach; or North Station to go to the old Boston Garden.
The El stations on either end of the tunnel are long gone along with all the stores I mentioned. :-( The stations' names have changed over the years:
Chinatown was Boylston (southbound)/Essex (northbound)
Downtown Crossing was Winter Street (southbound) / Summer Street (northbound) (and Washington downstairs on what is now the Red Line!)
State Street was called Milk Street (southbound) / State Street (northbound) (and Devonshire Street on what is now the Blue Line platforms!)
Haymarket was Friend Street (southbound) / Union Street (northbound) (and Haymarket on what is now the Green Line platform)
North Station was an elevated station at the time, with the same name for the Green Line platform.
All the tunnel platforms with the exception of Union/Friend were staggered / offset, partly due to the narrowness of Washington Street and partly due to the fact that all the businesses along Washington Street wanted entrances and exits near their stores. So there were probably about 12-15 stairways from Boylston/Essex all the way to Haymarket providing access to various stations!
The Hawkers have been remarkable cars. The oldest are about 42 years old now - well beyond the normal 30 year lifespan for most subway cars. MBTA maintenance personnel deserve a lot of credit for their work. It will be interesting to see how long the new CRRC cars will last.
Apologies for the LONG comment, hope you and readers enjoy my comments!
I was born in the early 2000s in Boston and I lived there my entire life up until the summer of 2019; I grew up always riding on the Orange Line for 65% of the time we went into Boston and others often being the commuter rail, it was easy and reliable. We often got on at Oak Grove or Sulivan Sq since I lived North of Boston and it was easier than taking 93 some mornings. Just hearing the train cars always get nostalgic especially with the brake squeal and the sound of the traction motors. The sound it made when it road over the tracks just always hit differently than any other rail line. Over the summer of 2019 I moved to the area of Houston Texas where I am now and I never have had the opportunity to ride on the new Orange Line cars, hopefully, as soon as the virus is over I can finally come back and visit the new train cars.
I grew up on Eldridge Road and love the Orange Line for that reason. When the southwest corridor opened in 1987, my mother let me take the day off school and we rode the train all the way to Oak Grove and back.
How awesome! I’d love to hear more. By chance. Do you have any photos of when it first opened??? I’d love to see some photos of the concrete trench brand spanking new!!!
@@NickDaltonYT Sadly, no. I was only 8 and we didn't think of taking pictures, though that would have been cool. When I was 10 in 1988, we moved to NH - and when I go back to Boston now, more than 30 years later, I can't believe those old 1200's are still running. I was in Boston in July and rode a 1400 to the Garden from Sullivan - and a 1200 back. The 1200 was in rough shape, 41 years later. I suspect that was my last ride on one, as after the studown is over, all the 1200's shouldn't be running anymore.
@@joecollie9136 we hung out by Wellington the other day and talked to a few people and they said they will only use the 12s if the lemons somehow shit the bed again.
I am a resident of Jamaica Plain and I grew up with these trains yes they're very old and they must go but there's so little part of me that will miss them but thank you for the video
I cant wait to see them paired with the 0600s (Blue Line variants) at Seashore!
Me too! I can’t wait to see the blue line 0600s someday.
I went and saw them
@@247Gamer50 🍀 Lucky!!!!!!
Thanks for an interesting video. I was a preschooler living near Oak Grove during the transition from the older cars to these cars, early 1980s. I remember I had to block my ears going through tunnels in the old cars, because they were loud and thus scary for me - but the new cars were much quieter inside and I did not have to block my ears. Young me liked that a lot.
I loved the door chime that the Orange Line had when I was in Boston.
If you liked the door chime then go check out my orange line door chime video!
@@NickDaltonYT On it!
The "community" "wanted" the El to be torn down. But once it was gone, no other viable transportation came to replace it. So the community complain again.
So at the end, they should not have torn the El down in the first place! It was in the heart of where people exist, vs putting service away from people.
Great video. I grew up on Dalrymple street in Jamaica Plain. I remember riding the elevated, seeing the new stations being built and open, and watching the elevated being torn down on Washington Street.
I grew up with Hawker Siddeley H5's and H6's here in toronto and they also hold a special place in my heart, the door chime they had is what i liked most about them
Same mate... I grew up with T1s from Bombardier too...
Maybe a side gig in voiceovers is waiting while you go to college? 2002....no, that doesn't make me feel old haha.
Great job covering the history/details. The 1200's really were nice when new and light years over the old 1100's. I think my first ride on the Blue Line was in 1970. I used to ride the Blue Line from Orient Heights. When I had an afternoon to spare, and the cash (25 cents for the Winthrop bus, 85 cents for the T, back when they used tokens), I'd spend a few hours riding the trains, seeing the different stations and areas of Boston that I never would have seen otherwise. Probably wasn't the smartest move for a teenager...but it was fun. Glad the T is going to save a few of the 1200 cars for the Seaside Trolley Museum in Kennebunkport, Maine.
Yeah hey if you liked it go check out the red line history video. It premiers in a few days!
Great video man, would love to see a dive on the other main lines (even the Silver line if you felt so inclined - yuck). One fun fact - the OL 1200s only lasted as long as they did because the Blue Line's fleet of 0600 cars was used for parts to keep them running. The 0600s on the Blue Line were virtually identical to the old Orange Line 1200s with the exception of their slightly smaller dimensions (and pantographs). The next time you get on one of these rust buckets, you can thank the blue line for allowing them to stay in service.
Yeah I knew that since they are made by the same company. only a few years apart. they were identical since the MBTA ordered them pretty much the same time.
I’ve grew up riding the Hawker Siddeley cars too
I’m going to miss them a lot when they are all retired
Edit: The New CRRC Cars look cool but I like the Hawker Siddeley cars more
Because they were part of my life because I see them a lot more then the CRRC cars
I remember taking the red and orange line eveytime I had to go see the doctor in boston as a child. I still take them sometimes to go fishing in jamaica. pond. I'm going to miss these old cars, but new cars will be a nice upgrade.
Thanks for sharing!!
I really liked the description and view of the traction motor intake. I have wondered why the snow storms were so devastating to the Orange Line. When I moved to Boston, I planned my life around the OL so I would not need a car. Hope you keep making videos and an OL sequel when the new cars get rolling again!
The one year that I lived in Boston, I took the RED line and the GREEN line. Boston at that time, had the best public transportation! Thanks for sharing your video, it was very good!
mbta has been a trash organization for over a decade now, if not longer
I feel the same way about the old 1400s (the Bluebirds/Redbirds) on the Red Line those were the cars I grew up with. had the 1200s been ordered with Cor-Ten steel they wouldn't have rusted out so quickly & could have received a midlife rebuild and lasted 20 more years. The problem with the traction motors in the winter was more a result of T management's misuse of the rolling stock. Instead of plowing the RoW they use the trains to simply blow/push the snow off the rails, the cars were never designed to do that. During heavy snowfall they run "snow trains" all night to blow the snow off the tracks. In '15 it became an epic problem. The 1200s also brought ATC (Automatic Train Control) to the Main Line & later full ATO (Automatic Train Operation) ATC requires the motorman to place the train in full brake if overspeed is detected, ATO applied full brake on it's own. Both systems also can place the train in emergency brake application when there is a signal failure. Most train problems are caused by this computer system rather than mechanical problems. That system also has always given dispatch information on train location & speed.
This is key information. I’m gonna use this info in the updated video
In NYC my old hometown a plow was attached to the end of a retired subway car to clear the 3rd rail and tracks. In 1968 during the aftermath of a blizzard I asked a conductor about why old subway trains were used in the rush hours when the modern subway trains were used also in the rush hours. He replied that the 3rd rail shoes of the old trains were made of iron and heavy enough to scrape of ice and snow on the 3rd rail. The subway trains that he was referring to were built from 1914 til 1922! They were called the BMT STANDARDS. They lasted until August 1969.
@@luislaplume8261 Boston has small scrapers that can be dropped down to scrape the third rail of ice. The older cars fro the twenties had heavy "shoe beams" that probably worked as well as those BMT Standards.😉
@@aodhganmerrimac Thank you for that news. I haven't been to Boston in 22 years.
@@luislaplume8261 We're still here! 🤣
Just decided to watch this amazing video again because it reminds me of home so well! Congrats on 11k views, this very video is what brought me and many other people in!
Happy I could provide such good content
Nick My name Maurice lived in Boston l had a 1990 Buick Century sometimes l used Orange Line to Blue Line to Orient Heights working AVIS RENT A CAR East Boston 26 Years Fulltime remember these Trains 😮😮😮😮😮❤❤❤❤❤
it brings back memories when I was younger than now and going to places
Thanks for your time and have a great day
Go orange line I live in Boston for .5-23. l well all way love the orange line
I well all ways miss the orange out on the street.
Sandra 🇺🇲🌿🕊️♌🚊🚆🚎☕
Bro this deserves 1mil PLUS views, honestly incredible to hear about the history in such high quality! You’ve earned a new sub!
I grew up riding the elevated orange line from Forest Hills to downtown crossing and vice versa. I remember some of the curves around Ruggles, Eggleston were pretty scary to me as a kid. The trains would have to go very slow and a few times I was afraid the car would tip over and fall into the street. Great views of the downtown skyline when riding inbound. We first rode the new orange line when visiting my grandparents in Hyde Park maybe a month or so after it opened and while sure, it seemed nice, I missed the old elevated, along with the ancient stations and rickety, scary escalators.
Paul DaSilva Wow that is incredible! Thank you for sharing that nostalgia. Have you been on the OL lately?
@@NickDaltonYT Unfortunately I haven't been to Boston in over 10 years (I live in Ohio now). I was planning to go back this summer to visit family and go to a Sox game but Covid cancelled those plans, so I am shooting for next spring maybe. By then the new Orange Line cars that were supposed to be all up and running earlier this year will be rolling, along with the new red line cars.
Paul DaSilva and @ ND Media: you must also remember when elevated trains were built in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Chicago, they didn't have catwalks like today for maintenance crews. . .you may recall a train coming off the tracks on a curve in Chicago (Wabash Avenue and Lake Street: I thought it happened on one of the two bridges carrying the El above the river, it was 1977), yet the news broadcast made an interesting comparison of El structures between NY and Chicago: the catwalks! NY still has El trains used solely as extensions for underground lines (the Els didn't, until later, have catwalks positioned); Philadelphia still has two sections of elevated tracks running, hence the name Market-Frankford: the former was on an all-purpose El from the Schuylkill River to [and beyond] the city limits (63 Street) on the west side, later was replaced (30 street to 43 Street) after the 1950s-today after reconstruction it looks more suitable like a monorail-while the latter went two ways: an earlier route serving the waterfront and shipping commerce (Delaware Avenue El compared with Boston's then-known Atlantic Avenue El) until closure in the 1940s, and the current route where its lowermost infrastructure was removed by the 1970s-note the film "Rocky" for the scenes before dismantling-in order for nutorius I-95 to be completed with no regards to the surrounding neighborhoods (fortunately the new El alignment opened first to compensate); Chicago still has leftover El (a recent reconstructed route-today's Pink Line, and a controversial truncated route-today's pioneer Green Line) and subway routes; Boston El trains were disregarded after the 1950s-1980s in physical-n-verbal abusive forms: only memories exist for those [like you, myself, and so many others] who appreciate before it was too late; "ORIGINALLY", the southwest corridor [before being named as such] was already a railroad route running on a raised embankment at certain spots (on a wall with ironcast fencing [at the time of protests to stop the highway project] reading "People before I-95!!!'); when today's Red Line was being built, it was plotted to run on an El after the Longfellow Bridge, but the people in Cambridge rejected; the Blue Line has a raised elevated station @ Beachmont, as does the Red Line's elevated track @ Charles/MGH and Field's Corner stations-not too long ago there was 'talk' about a planned elevated station above Neponsit Circle to fulfill much earlier plans desired by residents, Orange Line's Malden Center station is elevated sharing space with the commuter trains compensating earlier plans for El trains rejected by residents of Everett and Malden, and a new elevated station @ Lechmere is being built to complete the Green Line extension; historically there were El routes in Jersey City and Baltimore: both trolley car-operated; to see the Els again, watch the TV shows "Spencer for hire", "St Elsewhere", and the movie "Fuzz"; my Father was traveling on tour with a band (1960s) and got see the Northampton Street station where they all stayed, meanwhile I had a relative (my Uncle's Mother In-law) who lived in the Crestwood Park section of Roxbury until she passed in 2003, and I came to town (1990s-mid 2000s) expecting to see a piece of history: the Southwest Corridor disappointed me, so Columbia Road/JFK UMass station crosstown compensated because of its layout. . .had fun though.
Thank you for these videos! We’re planning on moving to Salem MA and public transportation is huge for me. I am happy to watch these videos and learn about Bostons Subway system :)
Thank you!!!
I just had to move back to NYC from Boston and I miss the trains. I got to ride one of the new orange cars while I was there.
Nice
thank you so much for showing us the beautiful videos of the T
This video was sick, as someone who pre covid would ride the orange line daily for school, it was very interesting to learn about the history of them. Keep making videos dude.
Hey dude. The red line video premiers on March 24th! Tune in at 12:00 PM to watch it!!!
Old Orange and Blue Line trains resemble the Old Path Trains in NY/NJ a lot
You sounded so depressed when you speak but I still loved the video
I was also obsessed by the sounds the train 1200s made when riding on the tracks but I think the sound of the commuter rail riding on the tracks is better
i have a simalar love to the T but its on the blue line siemens 700s when i was little my grandfather would take me on the blue lline all the time wed go to the aquarium and before we went back home we would take it to wonderland ( outbound terminal stop ) and back to bowdoin (inbound terminal stop) and back to wonderland station and when we had time we would get off at aquarium and go the part where you can see the tracks and watch the trains come throug a few times and the race down the stairs to get on the train and then take a wonderland bound train to go back home and sadley my grandfather passed away in the summer of 2018 and now taking the blue line is like reliving those fun times i had with my grandfather when was little all my blue line people where you at?
We miss our grand parents too and I’m a blue guy too
I live in Springfield and you can see a lot of these new orange line trains on I-291 East after the St. James exit or the Page Boulevard exit if you’re going West.
Yooo dude that’s sick. I’d kill to see that!
@@NickDaltonYT The factory is huge too! I heard they’re making trains for LA
Oh that’s really cool dude
I really like the video, but specially your personal story by been fascinated by trains. When I was little I use to ride just for fun the Metro of Caracas (where I was born), usually with my grandmother. Since then I really started liking trains. Btw I have had the opportunity to visit the MBTA too!
I love this format of videos! Well done!
WorldwideRailfan thanks man. I appreciate it!
Got to be on the CRRC'S, yesterday. They are so beautiful. They really were the best option for train service, moving forward. I grew up with those Hawker Siddeley's, too, but I don't miss them. I actually really love the new CRRC 1400 / 1500 series cars. The pick-up, the braking, the overall ride, lightyears better than those Hawker Siddeley 1200 / 1300 series, and now, they are all gone for good, which made more room for more of the CRRC'S.
Sorry man.
Great video Nick! Do you, or anyone else, know if the Orange Line trains have all been upgraded to the new models? Since the company is located in China, COVID-19 may have had a detrimental effect on the production of these cars, but I honestly don’t know. I never rode on the Orange Line, but I’ve ridden on all the other lines, except for the commuter rail line. I’m in my 40s, and my Dad is from Quincy, and I have extended family back there. (I’m from Denver, Colorado and that’s where I live now.) I loved riding the T whenever we would visit relatives in Quincy and we lived in Weymouth from November 1983-January 1987 when we moved back to Denver. But the T will always be special to me.
Just wanted to drop a note and say that I really enjoyed the video and definitely think you have the ability to be a solid documentarist.
Hey thank you so much
I enjoy going down to ruggles station and walking up Huntington Ave. There's a lot of restaurants and colleges. It's a nice day trip
I love the interior of the orange line.
You have a great channel and you deserve WAY more subscribers! I subscribed and I wish I could 1 million times! Please make more MBTA videos!!
Great video, thanks! I enjoyed a few rides on this line while on holiday in Boston in 2015. Just one thing: the traction motor air intake is just for cooling, surely? Air for the brakes and doors would be provided by a separate compressor.
Yes I know I plan to address this in the new video that I’m releasing sometime later
@@NickDaltonYT Great, keep up the good work!
Since 2022, all new CRRC trains have run on the orange line with little to no old orange line trains remaining
Yeah it’s unfortunate but I’ve adjusted to the new cars and the thing I love about them the most is that they are loud. They are quite a bit heavier than the hawkers. Weighing almost 5,000 lbs more than the 12s. As for the type 14 fleet, most of the problems were narrowed down to how they were manufactured in the CRRC factory in Springfield. Due to several term disputes with the various part manufactures, the car was still assembled even though it was missing parts. It sucks that their manufacturing circumstances are sucky but at the end of the day, they are quite nice and are a much needed improvement that the orange line was LONG overdue for.
@@NickDaltonYTWhen I rode one for the first time. It had no issues, and I actually liked the design. It’s sad how I never made it in time to see a old version before they scrapped them
I love this, you should do more of these.
IKR but he dont
This deserves more views!
Yes
The Hawker Siddeley MBTA cars for the Blue (1979) and Orange (1980-1981) Lines were based on the 1972 PATH PA3, in turn based on the 1965 St. Louis Car PA1. MBTA cars were the only LAHT (carbon alloy) cars built in Thunder Bay, which has always specialized in aluminum construction (every TTC subway car since 1965 has been built here, as well as the popular Bombardier bilevel coaches). Since Thunder Bay built the aluminum PA3s, very surprising the MBTA cars were not aluminum.
Wow! Interesting!
Big, big mistake not to build the 1200's out of SS or aluminum - this would have added ten years to their service life.
@@pilsudski36 The 01700s built seven years later in Thunder Bay, however were aluminium.
I remember how special was the 1200s and the 0700s when I was young i used to take the blue line to state street To take the orange line to my friends house
in 2012 to 2018
I'm not a huge subway fan but I enjoyed this video!
Hey thanks man! I appreciate it!
i enjoy the screeching of various subway car parts.
Wow you’re wicked underrated! Great video!
If you think so PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD
@@NickDaltonYT haha I’ll post it to my community page
They've now been fully replaced! The whole entire flee the redline is next!
Don't forget there was an Everett station. Just over the bridge past were the casino is Now.
First minute and already mistakes.
It was called The Main Line...owned by the Boston Elevated Rwy.
The original line went from Dudley Station along the El on Washington St. From there, it swung left and turned down into the Pleasant Street Incline Portal, where it stopped at Boylston Street Station and Park Street Station on temporary Platforms, while the Downtown Stations were being completed.
At the same time there was the Atlantic Ave branch loop.
The causeway street closure was not that long ago.
The Atlantic Ave loop was closed in the late 1930s and torn down for War Effort scrap in WWII.
When the downtown section and the Atlantic Ave section opened in 1909, that line also had a Boylston Station, across the street from Essex Station.
The Downtown stations were staggered for space sake. One side was named one thing and the other platform a different name. Boylston/Essex, Milk/Water, Friend/Union, etc
In the 1940s, it was not called the T.
The "Early" cars you show were from the 1950s and 60s.
The Atlantic Ave El was not closed due to fire, it was closed due to low ridership.
Then, you show a recent photo of a derailed RED LINE train at JFK UMASS Station. 1:55
The new northern section to replace the Charlestown El opened in the late 1970s, not the 1960s.
Alright bro look I made this video 2 years ago and I am fully aware I got a lot of things wrong. I am going to redo it after I do the Green Line documentary.
Also it's not Kowalski, it's Kawasaki...😂
It's a nice documentary, it did took effort to do it.
Thank you but by I honestly got some major key points and event dates wrong in this video and it will be remastered eventually
And yes, I saw mistakes, but it's a nice video
Aww thank you. Well the red line video is u next and well I am paying VERY close attention to details.
I understand the nostalgia people have for the old cars but I think we can all agree they have to go. They’re old, unreliable, dirty/disgusting, and they don’t have as much accessibility as the new ones with both voice and electric signs.
Also the old cars spark like crazy. Waiting at one of the underground stations you can usually tell when a train is coming because the tunnel will start flashing from the sparks
Another line I worked as a service technician
the truth is a very interesting system
Make more! Awesome vid
Bombardier is from Québec, so it's pronounced Bombadiea, with the first a being a long a
Awesome video!
That’s where I live.
It's About Time Orange Line Got NEW NEW Trains Boston ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Took this to Stonybrook to go to Sam Adams
I live in Philadelphia and i am a transit lover that is 10 years old. I live in the city of brotherly love and i live near the blue line aka market frankford line.
It is also an elevated subway line and has a long history maybe you should visit Philadelphia and do history of the Septa El i can give you information.
On the line if you need.
Good thing they stoped new car service. That means the old ones will stay a little longer
8:39 to 9:03 i think I love the sound
nice job
Rip hawker siddely 1981-2023
I love to see Other Boston Subways lines (Red,Blue,Green)
I’m remastering this one and the plan is to do the redline next since I have the whole script almost written
Why not use all electric brakes and doors like the Boston Elevated Railway had in the 1920s? No air compressor was used except for NYC which used air compressors for doors and brakes.
Hopefully I can come to Boston sometime around mid next year and be lucky to ride on the old fleet on the Orange line. If lucky enough I get the older red line fleet as well. Any updates you know about the new red line cars? I’m assuming it’s gonna take a while due to the pandemic.
As a matter fact I’m gonna be doing a video on the red line
Perfect. Looking forward to it.
It’s going to take at least a month or two months depending on when I get my new computer
@@NickDaltonYT How many New orange line trains in service so far?
Harish's Suburban Railways Well I am guessing two or three sets of trains. Set in my opinion is three pairs of married couples which six cars makes one subway train.
Who would u prefer to make the new orange cars
I'm so sad that the T got so ended by being forced to take on the debt of the Big Dig. 14 Billion tax dollars to hide a traffic issue underground. I kind of agree with the third harbour tunnel, but it felt unnecessary to tear down an elevated motorway and shove it below. Excellent public transport can help ease vehicular traffic as people find the appeal to take the T for being safe, reliable, and punctual, and clean
Very nice video!
Very Nice thank you
ive rode the 1400's so much times but its always exciting lol
I like your video
Cool video
Hey man i gonna miss the 1200, 1500, 1600, 1700, and 1800s. Im I like those cars. May be you can make the history of 1500, 1600, 1700 and 1800s.
Raquel Da Cruz I gotta do that sometime I just don’t know when I’ll get back into Boston ima at college right now so yeah I don’t quite know when I’m going home
What will happen to the 1200, 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800?
@@Ashley_.can._gachaTiktok seashore trolley Museum
What day do you want to be a driver on the MBTA
23 years I drove the 🚌 MBTA.
The new Orange Line and Blue Line cars were order in 1975 at that time Bob Kiley was GM of the MBTA and Mike D was Governor of Massachusetts the order was for 190 cars 70 cars for the Blue Line and 120 cars for the Orange Line the Blue Line got there first 4 car test train in early 1978 cars were # 0600 thru # 0603 cars # 0604 & # 0605 were still at the Hawker Plant in Canada and cars # 0606 & # 0607 had the modified were sent to the Blue Line for the crews on the Blue Line to be train on as this was going on the first of the new Orange Line was under construction in 1980 the first 4 car train of the Orange Line were delivered by the B & M at the Wellington shops they were cars #!01200 thru # 01203 at the US Department Of Transportation test tracks Blue Line cars # 0608 & # 0609 and Orange Line cars # 01208 & # 01209 were being tested by US DOT the new Orange Line cars did not go into service until late 1981 before these cars came parts of the Main Line El had to be rebuild so the Hawkers can run on the El the Dudley Street curve going into Dudley Street Station from Forest Hill Station had to be widened this because the Hawkers were 10 ft longer than the # 01100 series this cars were 55 ft long when the new Orange Line to Forest Hills got the ok from the Mass DPU to start testing a four car train on the new Orange Line a fly over was built by the contractor to bring a 4 car train to start testing the new Orange Line the MBTA brought one car at a time to move the cars from the old Orange Line to the new Orange Line they used a hi rail truck to do it that was done at night time there was a lot of derailments in front of tower W in the Wellington yard the curve in front of the tower had to be rebuild for the Hawkers there was one accident involving two of the # 01200 series both were four cars one of the four cars was running on a test track next to the shops and the other one was moving from the shops some how it side swiped the other train both trains were damaged the motorman that was moving the train from the shops to the storage track went beyond the double red signal side swiped the other train the design of the new Orange and Blue Line cars was the same design of the PATH cars that Hawker build for PATH 1977
Almost like tearing down the EL to replace it with an open cut was dumb as hell.