Hi fellas I have had Firestone rear air bags for 8 yrs in my 130 never had a problem we go into the desert every year we also tow a camper trailer we are overloaded as we start our trip with 350ltrs of fuel and supplies 200lts of water on trailer So you need not doubt the air bags I think I will put front ones on now that I have seen them
I have an LR3. Air suspension all the way. Best ride ever. Better then any car I’ve owned. You guys will love it. Merry Christmas. PS. Great videos as always.
Easier to level out for uneven sites and also the added bonus of quicker slide on camper removal. Legs down drop the ride height and drive out also less wear and tear on the leg mechanisms with no load during operation.
Your excitement is infectious and adorable. Miss the days of doing something so fun on my vehicle. I have had air ride vehicles and they are way superior to the spring setup. Never use cheap air lines and they seem to last for years. Always nice to see not only how much Leigh knows about the vehicle but how much Steph has learned and the knowledge you guys have is amazing. Stay safe and healthy.
You guys are going to love it. I’ve owned a 2013 discovery 4 since new and one of the best features is the air suspension! I do lose some articulation but that’s more to the IFS snd IFR setup that airbags. It will ride rougher at off road height though, so be aware of that on rutted, bumpy trails. Driven over countless miles of washboards, and rough desert tracks and it’s never failed me yet! Enjoy!!!!
I have driven coaches all over Australia with air suspension, first class ride. Be aware that the reaction time when the air bags are inflating that there is a slight delay, just hold the steering wheel steady even while the bags are inflating other wise you will find that the vehicle wonders (in your head). It is just something you have to get used to. I am thinking that you may have to watch your tyre pressures may have to drop them a little. Enjoy the ride just watch the components on the height control valves eh. Cya on the tracks.
Such an interesting comment thanks so much. I have indeed been experiencing the slight pull on the steering as the bags adjust. I quickly figured out what it was. Initially I thought I needed a steering alignment. Only thing was sometimes it was pulling left sometimes right 😜
@@leighdearle5965 gday Leigh, yep your experiencing getting used to airbags, normal. From your description to inflation it sound that you have one height control valve on the front centre mounted. Better with a height control valve on each corner. I had a Scania coach have a height control valve fail in Alice Springs finally got a replacement in mt isa. Just isolated the front
Great video! That air ride is really going to help keep your camper from rattling apart on those corrugated roads. The ability to air up each bag manually should be standard on all new LR's. I've never understood why they don't do that.
Great addition, well done. I have discovery 3 with air suspension as stock, never really had a problem off road with it but traditional 4x4 people say it's too much technology for serious off road, hope it does well for you, enjoy the ride
Great video and system. I have been looking at doing this on my 110 for a while now just struggling to find an installer in VIC. Might be an excuse for a roadtrip....
Besides the 130 have an old Range Rover P38 , with a fully rebuilt airbag system (thanks Airbagman) - that car was the first Land Rover product with standard fitted Airbags if I'm correct - often cursed upon by many (To easy to puncture , always failing , slow pump ) and they replaced it by coils. But as with everything : maintenance is key. True the P38 system could have been built a bit more sturdy. But what a pleasure to drive (if it works) . I also have an emergency connection to each airbag. In my case using a central valve block with mano-meter and special line to the tank. One simple modification I did : a small LED control that lights up when the compressor kicks in - it shows me if / when the compressor runs more frequent as normal indicating a leak. Happy exploring you amazings !!
Nope the air ride came out on the 1992 LSE prior to the P38 they relocated it from the chassis rail to engine bay, however on mine I fitted pushfit connector’s and added tire valves, I still have my classic and P38 and put air on the 110 by harvesting all I needed from a donor cost was under a grand
Hi guys, congrats on the air bag install. I have the same set up on my 110 and love it. Keep an eye on the front shock brackets-I cracked both and had to get them replaced. No issues since. I suspect the bolts loosened and the associated bracket movement caused the cracks. I couldn’t be happier with my setup. Hope you enjoy the smoother ride.
Top tip, there is some play on your upper rear shock absorber bolt. Most probably you have already seen it on you video. The airbags looks great! Very smooth ride! Nice upgrade! What was the old system what you where using? With the airbag inside the coil spring?
G'day Leigh, I've run Firestone airbags on the rear of my 130 (99' 4BD1T/MSA-5G swap) for the last 8 years. The 130 has run up and down the east coast of Oz from beach to mountains whilst being puncture and trouble free the whole time. I've never carried a spare either. I have a DIY full manual set up using the same bags as Firestone. I think you'll find once you have a preferred ride height you won't need to play with it very much. Well worth the swap especially with a slide on, it makes levelling the your bed a breeze! If you make it across to Vic/NSW/Qld how about a 130 gathering?
Great to hear that info mate thanks for the comment. We're still playing around with the different ride heights. Feeling more and more confident with the system every day. 130 meet sounds fantastic!
AMAZING stuff Every Defender owner knows that Big Bang feeling when you hit a sizeable pot hole, can’t wait to see how this works out for you guys 🤞 You are living my dream, enjoy every minute! I’m addicted to your enthusiasm and wonderful personalities. Bless you and stay safe!
Super interesting! Unfortunately very expensive over here in Germany, but such a great system. Levelling out the Defender for sleeping, fitting the car into a parking garage or places with height restrictions - would be such an improvement. Enjoy the ride!
My Prado Grande came with basic air suspension on the rear, but normal on the front. Several have said that the air suspension would soon fail on me. But after 220km I have to say that it has not givem me any problems at all. It is not your computer controlled type but has several setting and functions for different situations, but even so it has served me well.
I had a RAM 1500 with factory air ride. It made such a hugh difference in handling over a standard suspension. Not just with bumps or terrain but handling at speed as well on the highway. Worked the same way as yours with lifting the front and rear in stages. Also the closed loop compressor but I think it used nitrogen instead of air. The only issue I ever experienced was in below freezing weather it would be a little slow to responed with changing settings but rode fine. I would just drive it a bit before attempting to change settings and it worked better after warming up. Under 15mph I could push the "parking" mode which made it look like a low rider. By the time you where parked it was lowered and made getting in and out so much easier especially for my wife! 140,000 miles on it with no parts replaced when we sold it.
Getting ready to eat the other half of the world. At this rate you'll be driving a Rhyno. ¡¡Oy oy oy Mates!! ¡¡Pura Vida!! A massive applause to the mechanic and pre-payment method.
great that you have a spare bag and that you have a manual over ride to get you out of the bush to fix issues with sensors or leaks. I commented on insta about keeping a spare spring - but a spare bag is great.
Very good idea to upgrade the suspension with airbags. I did the same on the rear axle of my Defender 110 DCPU and it made a huge difference. Mine is a DIY setup just with valves and no electronics. Even at the Land Rover dealership, the mechanics came to take a closer look, they've hadn't seen that before on a Defender in those days (2011). Al the best to you both and happy travelling. Best Regards, David
See my response above...well worth adding it to a camper. It was a game changer for my slide on. I have zero reliability concerns, if I puncture a bag I'll stuff full of whatever is handy and limp it along till I get back to tarmac. Be mindful of engineering compliance with rego in Australia. Regardless of what a vendor says their system may very well still need an engineering certificate/plate issued under a State registration system to be compliant.
Ah, so cool. That set up beats the heck out of my rear bags I pump up with a bicycle pump I carry with me in my Tacoma with FWC. Also, finally got to see the slide-in "channel" you have in the bed @ 7:07.
Houhaah !!!!! Trop content pour vous, j'avais vue sur votre dernière vidéo les coussins et je vous ai posé des questions, super que vous ayez fait cette vidéo pour expliquer le changement! C'est le rêve de tous les possesseur de Dèf. Chuis trop content que vous l'ayez fait, vous le méritez 100 fois!!
Bonjour et un Grand merci pour le partage de la vidéo avec la modification de la suspension . Je voudrais faire aussi la même chose sur mon Defender . Cordialement et bravo .
Merci. Alex de chez Newman 4x4 à Annonay en France a déjà installé ce système sur plusieurs Defender. Nous l'avons aussi consulté avant de prendre cette décision et il nous a fortement encouragé.
Bonjour, merci également pour cette vidéo. J’attends la suite du test avec impatience ! Je réfléchi à faire de même pour mon 130, en espérant que Airbag Man livre jusqu’en France !!
My Discovery air suspension has never let me down but I also carry a bypass kit to individually inflate each bag if I need to. You might want to cary a spare height sensor and rod as they are a little vulnerable. I carry these for my disco just in case but never needed them.
Whew! I was starting to worry about redundancy until you fessed up about the manual fill from the ARB. That makes it much safer in the bush. Just don't tell Andrew from 4XO! (he hates them, but that's due to the single point of failure of them on Rangies, etc.)
Hi Guys, Another fantastic video, looking forward to seeing the next video and your update on the performance of the air red system. I’ve been considering using air ride as part of my 90 restoration project, Lee’s response from his initial test drive confirmed to my that this is absolutely the way to go. Keep up the great work and enjoy your travels. All the best.
well all depend on your choices and budget air system is better for passenger s comfort but is complicated and leaf springs and coil spring are better for heavy load and easy to install
Them mechanics on this videos are Filipinos !!!! They are brothers of the great Manny Pacquiao !!!! Mabuhay mga kabayan !!!! San Miguel Red Horse ..WOW..That's liquid gold here in Australia !!!! 🚙 and that defender is looking awesome Fellas !!!! When are you guys coming to Brisbane????
When you fully inflate the bags for max height does that stiffen the suspension? And if so in what way ? by reducing the amount of suspension travel ? By in effect preloading the suspension so that you need ‘more weight’ to achieve the same amount of travel?
Did you notice what appears to be a crack in the original Radius arm/Panhard bracket welded to the axle where the shock absorber relocating bracket is bolted onto (passenger side)? You can see it at 5:48 in the video. It starts in the LH bottom corner and goes towards the center hole in the bracket for the Radius arm.
What a spot! You've got eagle eyes 😉 Yes we did find that crack when we did the job. We thought about welding it but then realised the new bracket for the shock absorber reinforces that area.
good spotting Rob! - Some maintenance and regulaur future inspection of both left and right mounts will go a long way for minimumising the possibility of problems on the road.
@@leighdearle5965 I would weld it ... simple job and will offer piece of mind. The shock absorber bracket is not intended to take up any forces from the radius arm. The bracket cracked for a reason ...
I noticed the same at 5:48 and was about to post a mention but thought I'd scroll through in case someone else had already done so - good spotting. Cheers Lee
That is a cool upgrade! Would be awesome if it fits my 1965 Unimog 404 :D I have coils all around. How does it deal with alot of flexing in the terrain on difficult tracks? I drive highway trucks and trailers on air suspension and it is great. But they can blow up. But that happens most times when a piece of scrap metal is stuck in between them. And when they blow on a truck or trailer it sounds like a bomb explosion!
I think you can find something on the market that fits your Unimog. Take the dimensions of your existing suspension and look for the corresponding airbag version. Best Regards, David
I can see it's going to give a more comfortable ride, but you've added a shed-load of complexity. Which is generally not a good thing in a rough environment. Lots of the comments here are from people who've had a good run with theirs, so hopefully you will too.
BTW Your shock bushing looks shot, didn’t renewed them? Or new shocks on the way… PS ABM normally use a German air compressor. Bomb proved units…. They are sealed for under vehicle installation, you got a nice spot in the tray for it. Safe drive, smooth ride and keep the sunny side up. Cheers..
What are the original partnumbers for the Firestone airbags? I would like to convert my 130 camper to air, but without the computerised system just manual controls (8 valves, 4 pressure gauges, should do the job)
you have been adding lots of new things to the rig, love to see that, but let me wonder, hows the weight of it now, legally it can only weigh 3.5 tons if i remember correctly, how do you stay under that figure or do you just go over and hope for no police checks?
Hello. I'm sure you're already aware of this, but keep your airbags at a level where they will allow the vehicle to compress the airbag. There are so many videos and photos of people with bent chassis' from towing. I've even seen a D Max where the wheel, backing plate, brakes tore away from the diff housing, completely sliced the end off the diff housing. This D Max was not towing & there was no mention that it could have been airbag related, but everytime I see a disaster relating to the chassis around the rear suspension area there's an airbag in there. I'm no expert but I believe it has to be because the airbags get over inflated and don't allow the vehicle to travel through its' length of suspension enough, thereby passing on the up & down travel into the next thing in line which are the static steel parts such as the chassis, suspension mounts and diff housing. That said, it does look like a great addition.
i love the airbag ride quality you shown! very nice. one question, can you still go off road with airbag? such as those rock climb you guys did in Taiwan?
CC à vous deux :) J'ai un Discovery 3 avec aussi des suspension pneumatique, c'est vraiment le pied!!!!! L'avantage pour vous sera aussi que les ressorts ne sauterons plus ;) Bonne continuation ;)
Salut...et bien voilà, encore des bonnes occasions en perspective pour se rendre dans des garages.....si on vous en a livré 5, c'est parce que ça pete facilement....un ami en a pete 2 sur les 2 qu'ils avait installé à l'arrière....quand ça fonctionne c'est le top....mais quand ça fonctionne seulement....en plus tous les capteurs, l'ordinateur, etc....bonne chance....
Dans la vidéo il est clairement expliqué qu'en cas de défaillances des capteurs ou de l ordinateur il y a des lignes individuelles pour gonfler ou dégonfler les airbags. On verra bien . Il faut bien tenter de nouvelles choses parfois. On a beaucoup réfléchi (2 ans) avant de prendre cette décision. On a été conseillé par plusieurs professionnels Land Rover et puis on trouvait aussi intéressant de documenter tout ça pour notre audience.
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland mais stephie t'inquiète pas, j'ai bien regardé la vidéo, mais les voyages m'ont appris une chose, c'est que le plus simple est le mieux et là y a pas pire....bonne chance....
I've installed a crosslink-valve, so the air can travel from the left to the right airbag and visaversa. When I travel on the road, the valve is closed for higher stability. When I do offroad, the valve is open for higher flexibility. As simple as that. Best Regards, David
Hugely expensive and over complex - I’m using 4 bags from a classic and the front axle casing with the oem shock brackets, an ARB compressor and rocker switches and gauges - Your simply introducing more electrical complexity than required.
Thank you. Glad you asked. The jacket was a gift from a Turkish solider about 4 years ago. The shorts are from Lowes Australia (Traders308) We bought the boots from someone on Gumtree. New and 1/3 of the original price . Steal Blue. Best work boots.
Hi fellas
I have had Firestone rear air bags for 8 yrs in my 130 never had a problem we go into the desert every year we also tow a camper trailer we are overloaded as we start our trip with 350ltrs of fuel and supplies 200lts of water on trailer
So you need not doubt the air bags
I think I will put front ones on now that I have seen them
Awesome to hear thanks heaps for the comment. So far it's been amazing. Definitely a game changer.
Do you have a part number?
You will love full air ride , it was a game changer in the transport world ..
Finally! No more coil popping out of its seat! And now you can adjust the ride-height the next time it goes in a container! Brilliant!
REDHORSE BEER!!!!!!! Drank that as a young Marine in the Pacific! I'm gunna go track some of that down this weekend to pay homage to your airbags!!!
It's a bloody good beer! I was tipsy after one before I found out they are 8% 😜🍻
Enjoy the Red Horse mate, it was hard to find in Western Australia.
I have an LR3. Air suspension all the way. Best ride ever. Better then any car I’ve owned. You guys will love it. Merry Christmas. PS. Great videos as always.
Easier to level out for uneven sites and also the added bonus of quicker slide on camper removal. Legs down drop the ride height and drive out also less wear and tear on the leg mechanisms with no load during operation.
Your excitement is infectious and adorable. Miss the days of doing something so fun on my vehicle. I have had air ride vehicles and they are way superior to the spring setup. Never use cheap air lines and they seem to last for years. Always nice to see not only how much Leigh knows about the vehicle but how much Steph has learned and the knowledge you guys have is amazing. Stay safe and healthy.
You guys are going to love it. I’ve owned a 2013 discovery 4 since new and one of the best features is the air suspension! I do lose some articulation but that’s more to the IFS snd IFR setup that airbags. It will ride rougher at off road height though, so be aware of that on rutted, bumpy trails.
Driven over countless miles of washboards, and rough desert tracks and it’s never failed me yet!
Enjoy!!!!
I dont see this as a long term susp set up.
If I was you " I will keep my old suspension set up"
good luck Lee
Ich möchte mich mal bei Euch bedanken für die super guten Videos.
I have driven coaches all over Australia with air suspension, first class ride. Be aware that the reaction time when the air bags are inflating that there is a slight delay, just hold the steering wheel steady even while the bags are inflating other wise you will find that the vehicle wonders (in your head). It is just something you have to get used to. I am thinking that you may have to watch your tyre pressures may have to drop them a little. Enjoy the ride just watch the components on the height control valves eh. Cya on the tracks.
Such an interesting comment thanks so much.
I have indeed been experiencing the slight pull on the steering as the bags adjust.
I quickly figured out what it was. Initially I thought I needed a steering alignment. Only thing was sometimes it was pulling left sometimes right 😜
@@leighdearle5965 gday Leigh, yep your experiencing getting used to airbags, normal. From your description to inflation it sound that you have one height control valve on the front centre mounted.
Better with a height control valve on each corner.
I had a Scania coach have a height control valve fail in Alice Springs finally got a replacement in mt isa. Just isolated the front
Great video! That air ride is really going to help keep your camper from rattling apart on those corrugated roads. The ability to air up each bag manually should be standard on all new LR's. I've never understood why they don't do that.
Great addition, well done. I have discovery 3 with air suspension as stock, never really had a problem off road with it but traditional 4x4 people say it's too much technology for serious off road, hope it does well for you, enjoy the ride
Air suspension is just fantastic, you will love it. Great channel, stay safe. 👍
Great video and system. I have been looking at doing this on my 110 for a while now just struggling to find an installer in VIC. Might be an excuse for a roadtrip....
Love that red horse beer! Good upgrade
8%
Awesome upgrade! That’ll help on those corrugated roads for sure! Someone already mentioned the crack in the comments below...glad I checked first.
Besides the 130 have an old Range Rover P38 , with a fully rebuilt airbag system (thanks Airbagman) - that car was the first Land Rover product with standard fitted Airbags if I'm correct - often cursed upon by many (To easy to puncture , always failing , slow pump ) and they replaced it by coils. But as with everything : maintenance is key. True the P38 system could have been built a bit more sturdy. But what a pleasure to drive (if it works) . I also have an emergency connection to each airbag. In my case using a central valve block with mano-meter and special line to the tank. One simple modification I did : a small LED control that lights up when the compressor kicks in - it shows me if / when the compressor runs more frequent as normal indicating a leak.
Happy exploring you amazings !!
Nope the air ride came out on the 1992 LSE prior to the P38 they relocated it from the chassis rail to engine bay, however on mine I fitted pushfit connector’s and added tire valves, I still have my classic and P38 and put air on the 110 by harvesting all I needed from a donor cost was under a grand
Hi guys, congrats on the air bag install. I have the same set up on my 110 and love it. Keep an eye on the front shock brackets-I cracked both and had to get them replaced. No issues since. I suspect the bolts loosened and the associated bracket movement caused the cracks. I couldn’t be happier with my setup. Hope you enjoy the smoother ride.
Top tip, there is some play on your upper rear shock absorber bolt. Most probably you have already seen it on you video.
The airbags looks great! Very smooth ride! Nice upgrade!
What was the old system what you where using? With the airbag inside the coil spring?
Now Grizzly rides like my LR4 :/ Nice and SMOOTH!
G'day Leigh, I've run Firestone airbags on the rear of my 130 (99' 4BD1T/MSA-5G swap) for the last 8 years. The 130 has run up and down the east coast of Oz from beach to mountains whilst being puncture and trouble free the whole time. I've never carried a spare either.
I have a DIY full manual set up using the same bags as Firestone. I think you'll find once you have a preferred ride height you won't need to play with it very much. Well worth the swap especially with a slide on, it makes levelling the your bed a breeze!
If you make it across to Vic/NSW/Qld how about a 130 gathering?
Great to hear that info mate thanks for the comment.
We're still playing around with the different ride heights. Feeling more and more confident with the system every day.
130 meet sounds fantastic!
What is the model number of the bags you’ve used
AMAZING stuff
Every Defender owner knows that Big Bang feeling when you hit a sizeable pot hole, can’t wait to see how this works out for you guys 🤞
You are living my dream, enjoy every minute!
I’m addicted to your enthusiasm and wonderful personalities.
Bless you and stay safe!
Super interesting! Unfortunately very expensive over here in Germany, but such a great system. Levelling out the Defender for sleeping, fitting the car into a parking garage or places with height restrictions - would be such an improvement. Enjoy the ride!
My Prado Grande came with basic air suspension on the rear, but normal on the front. Several have said that the air suspension would soon fail on me. But after 220km I have to say that it has not givem me any problems at all. It is not your computer controlled type but has several setting and functions for different situations, but even so it has served me well.
You must have in Kalgoorlie last week.
Skilled Filipino mechanics-- love it.
I had a RAM 1500 with factory air ride. It made such a hugh difference in handling over a standard suspension. Not just with bumps or terrain but handling at speed as well on the highway. Worked the same way as yours with lifting the front and rear in stages. Also the closed loop compressor but I think it used nitrogen instead of air. The only issue I ever experienced was in below freezing weather it would be a little slow to responed with changing settings but rode fine. I would just drive it a bit before attempting to change settings and it worked better after warming up. Under 15mph I could push the "parking" mode which made it look like a low rider. By the time you where parked it was lowered and made getting in and out so much easier especially for my wife! 140,000 miles on it with no parts replaced when we sold it.
So good to see Stephie again and thanks for the video.
Cool. You can now dismount the camper by lowering the landrover
Getting ready to eat the other half of the world. At this rate you'll be driving a Rhyno. ¡¡Oy oy oy Mates!! ¡¡Pura Vida!! A massive applause to the mechanic and pre-payment method.
Really interesting, keen to see how you go with them.
One of the best mods you could do I reckon. I loved the air suspension on my Disco.
great that you have a spare bag and that you have a manual over ride to get you out of the bush to fix issues with sensors or leaks.
I commented on insta about keeping a spare spring - but a spare bag is great.
Look forward to hearing how this system performs long term. I presume it helps with that choppy sideways roll?
Very good idea to upgrade the suspension with airbags. I did the same on the rear axle of my Defender 110 DCPU and it made a huge difference. Mine is a DIY setup just with valves and no electronics. Even at the Land Rover dealership, the mechanics came to take a closer look, they've hadn't seen that before on a Defender in those days (2011). Al the best to you both and happy travelling. Best Regards, David
Same with my 2009 90. Back only and very simple and never given a days hassle.
What airbags did you use?
Great video guys as usual good storytelling, great camera work, and just ok & factual on the advertising. 👌
Amazing ! I've still 2 land rover series 1... This gives me some motivation to restore them 🤗
Very tempted to do this to our 130 camper before we go travelling, reliability and fix ability are my main concerns.
See my response above...well worth adding it to a camper. It was a game changer for my slide on. I have zero reliability concerns, if I puncture a bag I'll stuff full of whatever is handy and limp it along till I get back to tarmac. Be mindful of engineering compliance with rego in Australia. Regardless of what a vendor says their system may very well still need an engineering certificate/plate issued under a State registration system to be compliant.
Nice! 😎
But.. I see a lot of flex in the rear shock mounts.. Sooner or later it is going to break..
Ah, so cool. That set up beats the heck out of my rear bags I pump up with a bicycle pump I carry with me in my Tacoma with FWC. Also, finally got to see the slide-in "channel" you have in the bed @ 7:07.
Houhaah !!!!! Trop content pour vous, j'avais vue sur votre dernière vidéo les coussins et je vous ai posé des questions, super que vous ayez fait cette vidéo pour expliquer le changement! C'est le rêve de tous les possesseur de Dèf. Chuis trop content que vous l'ayez fait, vous le méritez 100 fois!!
Bang On
those mechanic are Filipino... one of the best mechanic in the world!
This is similar to what my L322 supercharged rangy has. You will love it!
Bonjour et un Grand merci pour le partage de la vidéo avec la modification de la suspension . Je voudrais faire aussi la même chose sur mon Defender .
Cordialement et bravo .
Merci. Alex de chez Newman 4x4 à Annonay en France a déjà installé ce système sur plusieurs Defender. Nous l'avons aussi consulté avant de prendre cette décision et il nous a fortement encouragé.
Bonjour, merci également pour cette vidéo. J’attends la suite du test avec impatience !
Je réfléchi à faire de même pour mon 130, en espérant que Airbag Man livre jusqu’en France !!
My Discovery air suspension has never let me down but I also carry a bypass kit to individually inflate each bag if I need to. You might want to cary a spare height sensor and rod as they are a little vulnerable. I carry these for my disco just in case but never needed them.
Whew! I was starting to worry about redundancy until you fessed up about the manual fill from the ARB. That makes it much safer in the bush. Just don't tell Andrew from 4XO! (he hates them, but that's due to the single point of failure of them on Rangies, etc.)
Hi Guys,
Another fantastic video, looking forward to seeing the next video and your update on the performance of the air red system.
I’ve been considering using air ride as part of my 90 restoration project, Lee’s response from his initial test drive confirmed to my that this is absolutely the way to go. Keep up the great work and enjoy your travels. All the best.
thank you for the detailed video as look great
well all depend on your choices and budget air system is better for passenger s comfort but is complicated and leaf springs and coil spring are better for heavy load and easy to install
Nice video about a cool upgrade. Looking forward to hear about and see a video about a first longer testdrive.
A oui ont s'embourgeoise! super, la mecanique ne peut que vous remercier elle en souffrira bien moins de vos périples formidables. a bientôt
Them mechanics on this videos are Filipinos !!!! They are brothers of the great Manny Pacquiao !!!! Mabuhay mga kabayan !!!! San Miguel Red Horse ..WOW..That's liquid gold here in Australia !!!! 🚙 and that defender is looking awesome Fellas !!!! When are you guys coming to Brisbane????
Awesome video peeps :)
Love the Maple Syrup candle! Oh, nice air suspension too :)
A gift send over from our Canadian friend Greg. THE BEST CANDLE EVER !!! It smells so good
Thanks mate 😉
Awesome setup! Noticed you have a crack starting behind the new front shock bracket. Check it out at 5:49
That off road shop has an all Filipino crew? Awesome!
I miss that Red Horse Beer 8% alcohol🇵🇭 🇦🇺 🍻
When you fully inflate the bags for max height does that stiffen the suspension? And if so in what way ? by reducing the amount of suspension travel ? By in effect preloading the suspension so that you need ‘more weight’ to achieve the same amount of travel?
I also use a full air suspension, there is nothing like it. We pretty surprised you haven't installed one right from the beginning, to be honest.
Did you notice what appears to be a crack in the original Radius arm/Panhard bracket welded to the axle where the shock absorber relocating bracket is bolted onto (passenger side)? You can see it at 5:48 in the video. It starts in the LH bottom corner and goes towards the center hole in the bracket for the Radius arm.
What a spot! You've got eagle eyes 😉 Yes we did find that crack when we did the job. We thought about welding it but then realised the new bracket for the shock absorber reinforces that area.
good spotting Rob!
- Some maintenance and regulaur future inspection of both left and right mounts will go a long way for minimumising the possibility of problems on the road.
@@leighdearle5965 I would weld it ... simple job and will offer piece of mind. The shock absorber bracket is not intended to take up any forces from the radius arm. The bracket cracked for a reason ...
@@rberkel1 ok good advice thank you. We'll do it asap.
I noticed the same at 5:48 and was about to post a mention but thought I'd scroll through in case someone else had already done so - good spotting. Cheers Lee
Nice!
That’s gnarly guys.
6 months on, can you do a review. Pros/cons. Is it good for the average punter?
Looks awesome 👏👏
Nice!!
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bit scary how much that second damper is moving. Air ride is good. One of the things I'll be adding in a year or two.
That is a cool upgrade! Would be awesome if it fits my 1965 Unimog 404 :D I have coils all around.
How does it deal with alot of flexing in the terrain on difficult tracks?
I drive highway trucks and trailers on air suspension and it is great. But they can blow up. But that happens most times when a piece of scrap metal is stuck in between them. And when they blow on a truck or trailer it sounds like a bomb explosion!
I think you can find something on the market that fits your Unimog. Take the dimensions of your existing suspension and look for the corresponding airbag version. Best Regards, David
Jorge is spanish pronounced in "Horhe." I would assume they must be Filipinos. Great job and video! Very educational.
Yay!
I can see it's going to give a more comfortable ride, but you've added a shed-load of complexity. Which is generally not a good thing in a rough environment.
Lots of the comments here are from people who've had a good run with theirs, so hopefully you will too.
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Your shock bushing looks shot, didn’t renewed them? Or new shocks on the way…
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ABM normally use a German air compressor. Bomb proved units…. They are sealed for under vehicle installation, you got a nice spot in the tray for it.
Safe drive, smooth ride and keep the sunny side up. Cheers..
What are the original partnumbers for the Firestone airbags? I would like to convert my 130 camper to air, but without the computerised system just manual controls (8 valves, 4 pressure gauges, should do the job)
Did you opt for the standard ride height, or the lifted kit? Apologies if you mentioned it and it missed it.
you have been adding lots of new things to the rig, love to see that, but let me wonder, hows the weight of it now, legally it can only weigh 3.5 tons if i remember correctly, how do you stay under that figure or do you just go over and hope for no police checks?
Good man 🇧🇩🙏
Hello. I'm sure you're already aware of this, but keep your airbags at a level where they will allow the vehicle to compress the airbag. There are so many videos and photos of people with bent chassis' from towing. I've even seen a D Max where the wheel, backing plate, brakes tore away from the diff housing, completely sliced the end off the diff housing. This D Max was not towing & there was no mention that it could have been airbag related, but everytime I see a disaster relating to the chassis around the rear suspension area there's an airbag in there.
I'm no expert but I believe it has to be because the airbags get over inflated and don't allow the vehicle to travel through its' length of suspension enough, thereby passing on the up & down travel into the next thing in line which are the static steel parts such as the chassis, suspension mounts and diff housing.
That said, it does look like a great addition.
How have you got twin shock absorbers mounted on rear @grizzlybearoffroad?
i love the airbag ride quality you shown! very nice. one question, can you still go off road with airbag? such as those rock climb you guys did in Taiwan?
Did you get the suspension engineered?
CC à vous deux :)
J'ai un Discovery 3 avec aussi des suspension pneumatique, c'est vraiment le pied!!!!!
L'avantage pour vous sera aussi que les ressorts ne sauterons plus ;)
Bonne continuation ;)
Genial. Merci. Tu as une bonne mémoire. C'est aussi une des raisons pour laquelle on a fait ce choix.
Oui, mais c'est la suspension d'origine....nuance....testée sur ce véhicule sur des milliers de kilomètres avant montage ..
Thé question IS ......how mùçh it cost thé full kit? without thé garage job.thanks Bob SEA.
Why did you do it in Kalgoorlie only?
Really good system but how would u repair it when u r Remote ( Central Asia examples)
Salut...et bien voilà, encore des bonnes occasions en perspective pour se rendre dans des garages.....si on vous en a livré 5, c'est parce que ça pete facilement....un ami en a pete 2 sur les 2 qu'ils avait installé à l'arrière....quand ça fonctionne c'est le top....mais quand ça fonctionne seulement....en plus tous les capteurs, l'ordinateur, etc....bonne chance....
Dans la vidéo il est clairement expliqué qu'en cas de défaillances des capteurs ou de l ordinateur il y a des lignes individuelles pour gonfler ou dégonfler les airbags. On verra bien . Il faut bien tenter de nouvelles choses parfois. On a beaucoup réfléchi (2 ans) avant de prendre cette décision. On a été conseillé par plusieurs professionnels Land Rover et puis on trouvait aussi intéressant de documenter tout ça pour notre audience.
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland mais stephie t'inquiète pas, j'ai bien regardé la vidéo, mais les voyages m'ont appris une chose, c'est que le plus simple est le mieux et là y a pas pire....bonne chance....
Proud Pinoys! How can I contact them? Cheers for the newest upgrade!
Goldfields Off Road in Kalgoorlie. Facebook page.
On the final shot of the rear shocks, the top bolt to the black shock has a lot of movement. Is it ok?
What are the weight implications of having this system fitted?
Impresive. Top shit.
Cheers. 🍷&🍺
C’est une reprise d’une invention française faite par Citroën sur les DS. 🇫🇷
keşke o kadar ülke gezmeden önce yaptırsaydınız :)
Wouldn’t the air suspension lessen your axle articulation ? Hence making it less capable for off-road
I've installed a crosslink-valve, so the air can travel from the left to the right airbag and visaversa. When I travel on the road, the valve is closed for higher stability. When I do offroad, the valve is open for higher flexibility. As simple as that. Best Regards, David
Hugely expensive and over complex - I’m using 4 bags from a classic and the front axle casing with the oem shock brackets, an ARB compressor and rocker switches and gauges - Your simply introducing more electrical complexity than required.
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Je suis intéressé comment vous allez amortir ce système.
that air suspension,how long it can last?
Another cool video. What (camo) jacket, shorts and (safety) boots are you wearing?
Thank you. Glad you asked. The jacket was a gift from a Turkish solider about 4 years ago. The shorts are from Lowes Australia (Traders308) We bought the boots from someone on Gumtree. New and 1/3 of the original price . Steal Blue. Best work boots.
@@GrizzlyNbearOverland Many thanks! Greetings from Europe
So Discovery drivers replace their air suspension with coils, and Defender drivers replace their coil springs with air suspension?