As a paid professional, he should have given only half effort. That way, he is less accountable and if the shot still happened to go in the paid professional goalie would be even more embarrassed. /s
back in my day , we made our own sticks from broom handles and beaver tails , we shared the 1 pair of skates the family had , the puck was made of coal we took when our shift was over at the mine , the goalie was the guy who owned the biggest jacket and the least amount of teeth , & if you were knocked out cold someone could borrow your skates until you woke up .now that was hockey \_
And if you got a deep skate cut you just chewed some tobacco and slapped it on the wound then went out and played the rest of the game. We were real men in those days!
As a Devils fan, I'm thrilled the Rangers want to set this precedent and this tone for their team and their fans. "It's disrespectful to try to score goals against our goalie."
I’m thrilled that Devils fans think beating a bad Rangers team last night was a statement game for them. They are in for a surprise against good teams come playoffs in that case.
And back in the day the analytics department meant eye assesment of how many cigarettes a player smoked during intermission and of course, how overweight he was... 🙂
Back in the day the rover was an official position in the game and there were no line changes. Everything eventually changed. Another banger video, Shannon. Keep it up!!!
Had to laugh once when Liverpool FC got accused (yes I know, wrong sport) of running up the score. Dude, goal difference is the first tiebreaker in soccer!
@@456yukon 1 kilometer equals 0.62137119 miles...... every country in the world uses metric except the USA and maybe 1 or 2 others..so what he means Shannon is miles ahead of the rest.
Baseball definitely has this issue, a manager apologized that his player hit a home run just last year he said he should have known better and made the player apologize
@@saucetown222 Baseball players, especially pitchers, have extremely thin skin. Too many unwritten rules and if any one of those are "violated" they're offended and act like babies.
“Pulling back” in football, after a sizeable lead, is probably more about the players’ health. Football is more punishing than hockey, and don’t get me started about basketball or baseball.
That was hilarious. I hope Jack was trying to embarrass Igor, but I bet he was just trying to score. J. Hughes actually needs to mix it up a bit and not try to hold on like CMD every time. Surprise em with a quick shot here and there, you could see Igor didn't bite one inch.
2:38 "I haven't seen anybody get punched for attempting the Michigan." Definitely not a punch and all in good fun, but at the Sharks' Legends game it came down to a shootout and Marleau decided to go for a lacrosse-style shootout move. Nabby just tilted the goal forward knocking it down, then Patty threw the puck at Nabby's helmet.
As a casual fan, he wasn’t trying to embarrass Igor (and for anyone that doesn’t understand this concept) Jack Hughes a highly competitive athlete is one on one with the best Goaltender in the NHL, you do what you think necessary to get the Goal, if that means trying to flip it over the glove (which is what some say was the idea) is something they should try
Back in my days… you could just concuss your opponents. Where are the good old times when lives could be easily destroyed? Besides… Back in my days we didn’t need trapezoids - and the blue line was much closer to the goal! And back in my days… Mike Richter‘s mask was awesome!
I've been watching hockey since the early 90's, and all I have to say... is it's quite refreshing to not be constantly worried about my favorite players being murdered. Go with the razzle dazzle, have some fun. I grew up playing the game and the violence part of it has always bugged me. Is it instagram hockey or whatever? Who cares, just lighten up and enjoy the show.
We had a basketball game back in HS, we were up by 15, coach put in the bench, a few minutes later it was tied and coach raced all back in the game; we lost by 1
Back in my day, the Whalers still existed. Also, if I was in Jack Hughes' situation, I'd be doing everything I can to score on Igor. Whether it's the Forsberg, or the ol' fashioned point somewhere else and ask "what's that?" in hopes that he actually looks, or something equally outrageous. Don't really see why Valiquette was bitching about it; maybe analyze why your own team sucks instead of dunking on someone who's actually playing good hockey.
Also, Tarasenko pulled a Forsberg in the middle of a game (and scored) two years ago and no one said anything. I know my Rangers fandom is questionable at best right now, but I know a double standard when I see one.
One thing players from the 90s seem to not understand is how fast games can flip. A 3 goal lead at the start of the third is not as secure as it used to be, and a team isn't going to give up and start fighting in that situation like they used to. The game was 2-0 in the first when Jack tried that move, not over by a longshot.
During the worst periods of the Clutch-and-Grab Era a team ahead even 1-0 going into the *2nd PD* was bound to win. Terrible time for offense, for fans looking for excitement.
Baseball went through this. Showboat or jog too slow after a home run and someone was getting thrown at. It doesn’t happen as much anymore since the penalty for doing so has gotten more severe. The NHL could institute a “retaliation” penalty in similar situations. What has happened in MLB is that the announcers have stopped taking a negative position on celebrations and instead paint them as light-hearted expressions as long as there isn’t outright taunting, like pointing, yelling, or direct mocking of the opponent, and the players, for their part, have accepted it. Rarely do you see a pitcher pay much attention to a batter who’s just hit a homer off of them. They turn their attention to the next batter and the game goes on
Baseball is idiotic on both sides. First, the idea that "flipping" a bat is some kind of exciting expression of personality. Second, that anyone would think such an idiotic and infantile display is worth getting mad about. I love baseball, but baseball players are the biggest bunch of prima donnas, crybabies and jackasses.
Number 11. Internet trolls didn't exist. Number 12. I didn't have dozens of hockey sources like this channel. Number 13. Going to the bar occurred after Coaches Corner
Players and team should definately keep playing and run up the score. Pad those stats that help with contract negotiations and gambling spreads and stuff.
BACK IN MY DAY, I used to sit with pencil and paper (calculators being rare and cost prohibitive to ordinary folk) and play with the numbers. So as an old fart, I was certainly into "analytics" when it was first talked about. I've thought since childhood that reducing things to data is the best way to figure out what the hell is going on. However, getting a taste of stats and data collection through working Q.A. in manufacturing, I know that definitions, parameters and data collection have to be spot on or the numbers mean nothing. I suspect a lot of Analytics we are presented with are dubious due to inconsistent data collection, bad definitions, etc.
Thanks for the video! Let the rules be the rules. Change the rules if you don't like the rules. If someone gets their jock in a twist and they take a cheapshot, fines and suspensions should follow. Want to make a statement? Drop the gloves. If that gets you in trouble, maybe next time you don't drop the gloves.
That’s true. Standing in a crouch, the goalies back in the day would cover the mid to upper part of the net quite well, but leave the ice-level sort of open. Obviously, guys like Dryden were the exception. Now the gigantor goalies stay on their knees all the time, but look at all the top corner goals that are scored now.
@@dennish.7708 Back in the day (LOL) a small goalie was actually thought to have an advantage over big goalies. "Goalies have to be quick" was the thinking, and big guys were too slow. So you had munchkins like Rogie Vachon, Chico Resch, Jim Rutherford, Gump Worsley. The average goalie was like Johnny Bower or Eddie Giacomin, about 5'10 and 170. Big guys like Ken Dryden or Cesare Maniago or Gary Smith were the exceptions.
at this point unfortunately we have to accept the overtime , but the idiotic shootout is for non-hockey fans entertainment , as a goalie , you've played 60 minutes , then 5 minutes of breakaways on you , then what amounts to f'ing target practice on the goalies ,, after OT it's a tie , and for playoff reasons , go to head to head matches and division wins like football , it works fine !
So in baseball, you do hear a bit about running up the score. A Chicago White Sox player got in trouble with his team's manager (basically the coach) pretty publicly a few years back after hitting a home run off of a position player who came in to pitch (which only happens in blowouts). Of course, said manager is also no longer managing, but you see these "old school" unwritten rules dinosaurs in every sport. And thankfully people generally push back on that stuff because it's archaic and silly. Who are you to tell a player when he can and cannot swing due to the "unwritten rules" or something, especially when he's a fringe MLB player and not a star who's guaranteed a spot on the team next year? People also moan about analytics changing how managers manage, how players play, and so on. Celebrating home runs has also been a point of contention, with some people upset about bat flips and watching the ball fly and some embracing that.
In baseball running up the score is a big thing actually Fernando Tatis Jr got yelled at by his own coach a few years ago for hitting a grand slam with his team up 10 to 3 late in the game
What's he supposed to do, strike out on purpose? Football is even worse. Some years ago I watched a Rams-Packers game where the score was 42-0 at half time. They might have called the game off right there because both teams stopped playing in the second half. It was like they made an agreement in the intermission, "You don't try to score on us, we won't try to score on you". Meanwhile the fans paid full price for the tickets to see half a game.
Great Video, literally. The traditionalism is dying. The fact that these are the old/former player's best arguments is a sign they are losing. That MSG bloke is jealous Hughes has skill he never had. Also, it's called skill, and you have a natural hierarchy of it.
Vally didn't point it out to call Jack Hughes out for the type of player he is or the move itself. He is just looking for any reason to call the Rangers out on what they might get riled up about... but they don't, they're sad and gutless. That's why Steve said it and I agree with his statement regardless... Shits too sweet in this league now
I honestly didn’t see that play as a hotdog move. It looked similar to a move that Tarasenko used to try & I think only actually scored on once or twice. Michigans, though, yeah. Those just feel too much like a ‘look at me’ play. We have enough skills competition to break ties, we don’t need it in game.
The Michigan is a good corrective to the goaltending style of "drop down and cover the bottom of the net." We don't see many of those goals, but if it makes the goalie worry about the top corners, it might open more space for goals that are currently taken away by the huge pads the goalies wear nowadays.
Anyone complaining about running up the score is too young to remember the 1970's when you had the California Seals, the KC Scouts and the early Caps. With the current intentionally created parity in hockey there are no great teams and no really bad teams any more so you don't get 14-2 scores like Buffalo once beat Washington by. A 6-1 score is considered piling on nowadays when that run of the mill when the Caps or Scouts or Dead Wings played a team like Montreal, Boston or the Islanders. Nobody thought it was a big deal.
If the announcer didn’t have any team bias I would maybe get it more. The announcer comment on Jack Hughes is simply because he’s upset his team wasn’t winning.
As a Capitals fan, I love how excited Ovechkin gets when he scores a goal. And he's done it before more than anyone other than Gretzky. But he still gets excited. And I think that's how it should be.
Meanwhile Vally goes MIA when Zegras and everyone else does the Michigan or try. back in my day we didnt cry so much. Ive seen the forsberg move work a few years ago and noone cried. Im not a fan of the analytics, they are useful but so are the eye tests.
The idea of not continuing to run up a score out of respect for the losing team is ridiculous to me in professional sports. This isn't a 9 year old in house league where they need the mercy rule because otherwise the 9 year old is going to go home and ball his eyes out over losing 13 to 2. These are professional freaking athletes. If they're bad pump them for every goal you can get. Don't let up " out of respect." They are professionals and as you said Shannon have they considered just not being bad. I'm sorry if you make millions of dollars a year as a professional sports player you have no right to be a whiny little baby about another team running up the score on you. Anyone who has that take needs to do some personal reflection because come on grow up. Especially in hockey for a sport that touts toughness there are a lot of Unwritten rules that imply being the complete opposite of tough and actually being complete babies and acting like children. There are a lot of very contradictory aspects to the social side of hockey that mainly revolve around look at us we are so tough but also you're not allowed to do that because It embarrasses me so I'm going to whine like a baby and be mad about you being better than me. So are you tough or are you a whiner? Make up your mind. That's how I feel when I hear garbage takes like that. I am glad you get it THG.
How dare you bring your first unit out in a blowout game. Now they'll score more goals, and then I can't complain about how they had a down year. Wait a minute, they still did.
I mean not long ago the Chicago Whitesox player hit a homerun to make the game 15-1 or something and got chewed out by his own manager. All sports have unwritten rules and they are just ridiculous.
real ones remember when the slapshot was illegal because the puck should stay on the ice and no one really could manage to shot the puck with precision. then came Boom Boom Geoffrion with his precise slapshot and the league changed. neanderthal hockey fans will never not get angry over stupid stuff like this and it's been a staple of the NHL for a century.
Just for the record, running up the score in the MLB is a big no-no (even though it's the sport where comebacks are the most possible). If you swing at a 3-0 pitch you're going to get hit because you hurt the poor pitcher's feelings
Broadcast in general needs fresher/newer perspectives. The better analysts are Kevin Bieksa, PK Subban etc. who have played the game in recent years and understand the modern game. Or older players who have an open mind to learn and understand the game today instead of going back to their playing days as reference.
I've never understood why some people defend two human beings beating each other to a pulp so vehemently. Pretty sad when you think about it, how little we have evolved as a species over the last few thousand years.
Honestly I hate the 'expected goals for' analytics. Any of the 'expected..." Fluke goals happen all the time and nasty saces happen all the time. Just measure the Grade A chances that were saved. From what I understand expected goals for is also accounting for zone time. Its the most pointless analytic to me.
I dont mind if commentators talk about how it used to be......if....... its not every other play. And as long as it related to the play in the game. Something which swedish commentators do alot starts to talk about an match back in the 1980 or such.... what does that tell the audence (most likely that this match is borinng to watch).
I'm old enough to know what percolate means and where it came from, but I think your average viewer doesn't. Now get off my lawn. Back in my day that wasn't a penalty. And thank goodness that changed. Watching 90s hockey with somebody water skiing behind the guy with the puck was awful.
rangers are STINKO ! have gone straight downhill since decent start , and back in my day = from an old goalie =goalies had no masks, pads were small & helmets were decades away , every team had a goon or 2 to stand up for teammates or take out other team's top guys , glad as hell the goonery had to disappear as the european game brought finesse .. you can't hit what you cant catch !
Maybe this commentary was just a way to distract people from how the game went. Nobody is talking about Bratt's 4 point game or Jack 2 goals that went in. Nope, just this guy getting mad about the breakaway that didn't result in a goal anyway.🧐
Remember, this is the same man who thought Kakko was guna be better than Hughes, sooo, take what this dude says about Jack especially after another ownage job of his team, with a grain of 🧂
Watching these girls on "#hockeytwt" go off about how much of a clown vally is for saying what he said had me spinning. The instagram remark might have been a slight shot at Hughes, but hey, he's a rangers analyst, not a devils analyst. The overarching point he was making was that there is absolutely no drive or compete left on that rangers team up and down the lineup. And he's right, but frankly I love to see it.
It can be two things at once. I guarantee you if it was any other devils player, Valiquette would have just criticized the Rangers D, maybe just say that you can't let the other team style on you like that. Calling Jack "disrespectful" and "instagram hockey" is unnecessary in my opinion, tipping towards personal. Something about Jack makes Valiquette go a little further than normal, you see it in his twitter interactions with devils fans, his place in the hughes/kakko debate since the draft. It only gets blown up like this cause the game was on nhl network and people outside the market got to see this.
@ysakoko we're in agreement, he's shown his ass as an analyst multiple times prior, but I do think it was overblown on Twitter and in the post-game as if it wasn't mostly just a color guy trying to come with a hot take at his franchise that seems to be slipping
I think the problem with the Rangers is that their best player is unsigned and headed towards free agency. Saw the same thing happen with the Islanders & Tavares. The team is just up in the air waiting for something to happen, like they're in limbo. The solution is to sign Shesterkin. They're going to piss away the season and end up signing him anyway for what they're refusing to pay him now.
@@RRaquello they also went all in on long term contracts on players aging into 35 years old with trouba, Mika, kreider, and trochek. This core wasn't meant to be imploding like this, which is why I think they're hesitating to sign shesty. No point in signing him if you're gonna have to mortgage the whole core to rebuild when Quick looks solid too, might as well ship him off with the rest and tear it all down
I never understood the statement that Jack Hughes tried to 'embarrass' Shesterkin - like isn't that...the point of the sport?
As a paid professional, he should have given only half effort. That way, he is less accountable and if the shot still happened to go in the paid professional goalie would be even more embarrassed. /s
The Rags defense (or lack of) along with Shesterkin himself are the cause of embarrassment all by themselves. Jack had nothing to do with it.
Michigan should be illegal. There's a reason "carrying" is penalized in basketball.
@@Borodin410 sarcasm, or terrible take?
@@Jlalo747 Take it up with basketball. They understand that if let players carry, the game ceases to be the game.
If a shooter isn't trying to embarrass a goalie, then he isn't trying to score.
I can’t look at “back in my day” arguments anymore without thinking of that Gen Z NHL player commercial. Truly brilliant bit of marketing, that one.
back in my day , we made our own sticks from broom handles and beaver tails , we shared the 1 pair of skates the family had , the puck was made of coal we took when our shift was over at the mine , the goalie was the guy who owned the biggest jacket and the least amount of teeth , & if you were knocked out cold someone could borrow your skates until you woke up .now that was hockey \_
And if you got a deep skate cut you just chewed some tobacco and slapped it on the wound then went out and played the rest of the game. We were real men in those days!
Your family got a whole _pair_ of skates? You lucky bastard!
As a Devils fan, I'm thrilled the Rangers want to set this precedent and this tone for their team and their fans.
"It's disrespectful to try to score goals against our goalie."
I’m thrilled that Devils fans think beating a bad Rangers team last night was a statement game for them. They are in for a surprise against good teams come playoffs in that case.
You got the same team as last year cry me A River dirty rags fan
@@luciusprepus Was this English? I honestly didn’t understand what you are trying to say.
Back in the day, I was younger and less fat.
And back in the day the analytics department meant eye assesment of how many cigarettes a player smoked during intermission and of course, how overweight he was... 🙂
Back in the day the rover was an official position in the game and there were no line changes. Everything eventually changed.
Another banger video, Shannon. Keep it up!!!
At least hockey doesn't have as many 'unwritten rules' as baseball... thankfully.
Which is weird because some years there isn't a true 'brawl' in the MLB despite the mountain of baseball played.
Back in my day, my team was good 😞
Clash of culture between the 90's NHL and players of today makes for great TV ratings. Please keep this stuff going!
Had to laugh once when Liverpool FC got accused (yes I know, wrong sport) of running up the score. Dude, goal difference is the first tiebreaker in soccer!
If you don't want teams to run up the score, try playing defense or make a save lol. It's not hard to comprehend
I have seen enough instances of Toronto blowing big leads that I don't mind teams running up the score.
Germany did not get the memo in the 2014 World Cup😂
In a sport like soccer, where the game ends on a 0-0 tie like 90% of the time, you'd think they'd be happy about that.
@@LSA30 Schweinsteiger!!
You're kilometers ahead of other hockey channels🇨🇦
What's a kilometre, can you eat it?
@@456yukon 1 kilometer equals 0.62137119 miles...... every country in the world uses metric except the USA and maybe 1 or 2 others..so what he means Shannon is miles ahead of the rest.
@@456yukonAh, you used an alternate spelling. So, can one eat a kilometre, but not a kilometer?
Shannon has been releasing some bangers lately!
The important thing was, Colton Orr had an onion tied to his belt, which was the style at the time.
Baseball definitely has this issue, a manager apologized that his player hit a home run just last year he said he should have known better and made the player apologize
And pitchers will throw at guys' heads who showboat against them
@@saucetown222 Baseball players, especially pitchers, have extremely thin skin. Too many unwritten rules and if any one of those are "violated" they're offended and act like babies.
and people wonder why baseball is dying a slow death. 🙄
If the Rangers don’t like Hughes making hotdog moves on a breakaway, maybe don’t let him go on a breakaway?
Getting Michigan'd is punishment for not defending behind the net, really.
“Pulling back” in football, after a sizeable lead, is probably more about the players’ health. Football is more punishing than hockey, and don’t get me started about basketball or baseball.
#5 why Dino Cicarelli was so remarkable.
That was hilarious. I hope Jack was trying to embarrass Igor, but I bet he was just trying to score. J. Hughes actually needs to mix it up a bit and not try to hold on like CMD every time. Surprise em with a quick shot here and there, you could see Igor didn't bite one inch.
2:38 "I haven't seen anybody get punched for attempting the Michigan." Definitely not a punch and all in good fun, but at the Sharks' Legends game it came down to a shootout and Marleau decided to go for a lacrosse-style shootout move. Nabby just tilted the goal forward knocking it down, then Patty threw the puck at Nabby's helmet.
As a casual fan, he wasn’t trying to embarrass Igor (and for anyone that doesn’t understand this concept) Jack Hughes a highly competitive athlete is one on one with the best Goaltender in the NHL, you do what you think necessary to get the Goal, if that means trying to flip it over the glove (which is what some say was the idea) is something they should try
Back in my days… you could just concuss your opponents. Where are the good old times when lives could be easily destroyed?
Besides… Back in my days we didn’t need trapezoids - and the blue line was much closer to the goal!
And back in my days… Mike Richter‘s mask was awesome!
It was easier to concuss an opponent back then, when the only thing between your stick or fist, and his skull, was his gorgeous hair.
I've been watching hockey since the early 90's, and all I have to say... is it's quite refreshing to not be constantly worried about my favorite players being murdered. Go with the razzle dazzle, have some fun. I grew up playing the game and the violence part of it has always bugged me. Is it instagram hockey or whatever? Who cares, just lighten up and enjoy the show.
'Back in my day', we had wooden sticks, a choice of either Bauer or CCM skates & minimal padding! 😐🏒
We had a basketball game back in HS, we were up by 15, coach put in the bench, a few minutes later it was tied and coach raced all back in the game; we lost by 1
Back in my day, the Whalers still existed.
Also, if I was in Jack Hughes' situation, I'd be doing everything I can to score on Igor. Whether it's the Forsberg, or the ol' fashioned point somewhere else and ask "what's that?" in hopes that he actually looks, or something equally outrageous. Don't really see why Valiquette was bitching about it; maybe analyze why your own team sucks instead of dunking on someone who's actually playing good hockey.
Also, Tarasenko pulled a Forsberg in the middle of a game (and scored) two years ago and no one said anything. I know my Rangers fandom is questionable at best right now, but I know a double standard when I see one.
One thing players from the 90s seem to not understand is how fast games can flip. A 3 goal lead at the start of the third is not as secure as it used to be, and a team isn't going to give up and start fighting in that situation like they used to. The game was 2-0 in the first when Jack tried that move, not over by a longshot.
During the worst periods of the Clutch-and-Grab Era a team ahead even 1-0 going into the *2nd PD* was bound to win. Terrible time for offense, for fans looking for excitement.
@@Jimmy-Mc I'll never forget the Devils season opener against Winnipeg a few years ago where we lost in the SO after having a late 4! goal lead 😭
In my day Jeff Lazaro scored at will for Ottawa’s NHL 93 team on my Super Nintendo. 🔥
Baseball went through this. Showboat or jog too slow after a home run and someone was getting thrown at. It doesn’t happen as much anymore since the penalty for doing so has gotten more severe. The NHL could institute a “retaliation” penalty in similar situations. What has happened in MLB is that the announcers have stopped taking a negative position on celebrations and instead paint them as light-hearted expressions as long as there isn’t outright taunting, like pointing, yelling, or direct mocking of the opponent, and the players, for their part, have accepted it. Rarely do you see a pitcher pay much attention to a batter who’s just hit a homer off of them. They turn their attention to the next batter and the game goes on
Jack Hughes literally did a hockey move... Nothing to cry about. but of course the Michigan gets nothing but oh no the forsberg GRRRRR
Baseball is idiotic on both sides. First, the idea that "flipping" a bat is some kind of exciting expression of personality. Second, that anyone would think such an idiotic and infantile display is worth getting mad about. I love baseball, but baseball players are the biggest bunch of prima donnas, crybabies and jackasses.
Watch a Red Wings broadcast. I feel like Mickey Redmond is one who likes to mention the way that things 'used to be'.
Had the same thought, especially when it comes to certain penalties.
Butch Goring is another. Butch is especially that way on penalties, which is funny because he never got penalties as a player.
If someone wants to watch 80s hockey they can watch the FPHL
Number 11. Internet trolls didn't exist.
Number 12. I didn't have dozens of hockey sources like this channel.
Number 13. Going to the bar occurred after Coaches Corner
Players and team should definately keep playing and run up the score. Pad those stats that help with contract negotiations and gambling spreads and stuff.
BACK IN MY DAY, I used to sit with pencil and paper (calculators being rare and cost prohibitive to ordinary folk) and play with the numbers. So as an old fart, I was certainly into "analytics" when it was first talked about. I've thought since childhood that reducing things to data is the best way to figure out what the hell is going on. However, getting a taste of stats and data collection through working Q.A. in manufacturing, I know that definitions, parameters and data collection have to be spot on or the numbers mean nothing. I suspect a lot of Analytics we are presented with are dubious due to inconsistent data collection, bad definitions, etc.
My heroes are Laurence Terney as Elaine's father in Seinfeld and Wilford Brimley.😂😂😂
Thanks for the video! Let the rules be the rules. Change the rules if you don't like the rules. If someone gets their jock in a twist and they take a cheapshot, fines and suspensions should follow. Want to make a statement? Drop the gloves. If that gets you in trouble, maybe next time you don't drop the gloves.
Typical goalie was about 5'8" tall..
That’s true. Standing in a crouch, the goalies back in the day would cover the mid to upper part of the net quite well, but leave the ice-level sort of open. Obviously, guys like Dryden were the exception. Now the gigantor goalies stay on their knees all the time, but look at all the top corner goals that are scored now.
@@dennish.7708 Back in the day (LOL) a small goalie was actually thought to have an advantage over big goalies. "Goalies have to be quick" was the thinking, and big guys were too slow. So you had munchkins like Rogie Vachon, Chico Resch, Jim Rutherford, Gump Worsley. The average goalie was like Johnny Bower or Eddie Giacomin, about 5'10 and 170. Big guys like Ken Dryden or Cesare Maniago or Gary Smith were the exceptions.
"Act like you've done it before" that was my high school coach
at this point unfortunately we have to accept the overtime , but the idiotic shootout is for non-hockey fans entertainment , as a goalie , you've played 60 minutes , then 5 minutes of breakaways on you , then what amounts to f'ing target practice on the goalies ,, after OT it's a tie , and for playoff reasons , go to head to head matches and division wins like football , it works fine !
That would actually make divisions matter again, don't give Bettman ideas, haha.
THG mentioned Gary Bettman hopefully he will check in before the four nations games 😂
Baseball has its unwritten rules as well, and cockiness and dominence is frowned upon.
So in baseball, you do hear a bit about running up the score. A Chicago White Sox player got in trouble with his team's manager (basically the coach) pretty publicly a few years back after hitting a home run off of a position player who came in to pitch (which only happens in blowouts). Of course, said manager is also no longer managing, but you see these "old school" unwritten rules dinosaurs in every sport. And thankfully people generally push back on that stuff because it's archaic and silly. Who are you to tell a player when he can and cannot swing due to the "unwritten rules" or something, especially when he's a fringe MLB player and not a star who's guaranteed a spot on the team next year?
People also moan about analytics changing how managers manage, how players play, and so on. Celebrating home runs has also been a point of contention, with some people upset about bat flips and watching the ball fly and some embracing that.
Well, have to say I agree with all of these.
Maybe the professed best goalie in the world should make a save once in a while. The guy at the other end made almost twice as many last night.
i can't even begin to get into the mindset of some of these people that just hate fun, michigan's are sick
We still call it a lacrosse goal
In baseball running up the score is a big thing actually Fernando Tatis Jr got yelled at by his own coach a few years ago for hitting a grand slam with his team up 10 to 3 late in the game
What's he supposed to do, strike out on purpose? Football is even worse. Some years ago I watched a Rams-Packers game where the score was 42-0 at half time. They might have called the game off right there because both teams stopped playing in the second half. It was like they made an agreement in the intermission, "You don't try to score on us, we won't try to score on you". Meanwhile the fans paid full price for the tickets to see half a game.
Back in _my_ day, ice hockey was played with six skaters, in a natural rink, and there were no forward passes.
The game is ruined!
Back in my day, Scott Stevens was on the ice. Or even further back, the Flyers of the 70s.
Back in my day it was Steve Durbano on the meds he wasn't supposed to be on and off the meds he was supposed to be on.
Colton Orr mentioned. Leafs legend!
Great Video, literally. The traditionalism is dying. The fact that these are the old/former player's best arguments is a sign they are losing. That MSG bloke is jealous Hughes has skill he never had. Also, it's called skill, and you have a natural hierarchy of it.
Vally didn't point it out to call Jack Hughes out for the type of player he is or the move itself. He is just looking for any reason to call the Rangers out on what they might get riled up about... but they don't, they're sad and gutless. That's why Steve said it and I agree with his statement regardless... Shits too sweet in this league now
Okay we used to do the running in place celi all the time in the 80's. Watch 1980 gold medal highlights.
Just say ‘celebration’.
My Islanders are the worst at holding 3rd period leads.
On top of the Enforcer mentality, the NHL has moved toward a lot more suspensions and fines
28gp 11g 22a 33p +8 is fine by me
Michigan should be illegal. There's a reason "carrying" is penalized in basketball.
I honestly didn’t see that play as a hotdog move. It looked similar to a move that Tarasenko used to try & I think only actually scored on once or twice. Michigans, though, yeah. Those just feel too much like a ‘look at me’ play. We have enough skills competition to break ties, we don’t need it in game.
The Michigan is a good corrective to the goaltending style of "drop down and cover the bottom of the net." We don't see many of those goals, but if it makes the goalie worry about the top corners, it might open more space for goals that are currently taken away by the huge pads the goalies wear nowadays.
Anyone complaining about running up the score is too young to remember the 1970's when you had the California Seals, the KC Scouts and the early Caps. With the current intentionally created parity in hockey there are no great teams and no really bad teams any more so you don't get 14-2 scores like Buffalo once beat Washington by. A 6-1 score is considered piling on nowadays when that run of the mill when the Caps or Scouts or Dead Wings played a team like Montreal, Boston or the Islanders. Nobody thought it was a big deal.
The Rangers defense adapts to nothing. Fastest 2 week fall in NHL history
back in my day hockey players didn't wear helmets. and guy lafluer would have a smoke during his post game interview.
Welp with analytics, as the great Scotty Bowman says, "Statistics are for losers."
Or as Charlie Brown said, "Tell your statistics to shut up."
If the announcer didn’t have any team bias I would maybe get it more. The announcer comment on Jack Hughes is simply because he’s upset his team wasn’t winning.
Also, Valiquette was a goalie so that's additional bias. He might have thought a goalie bro' was being embarrassed.
Seems like they’re a little sensitive in New York 🤐
Analytics are out of control....Expected goals against on a Thursday night in Manitoba while it's snowing. Garbage!😊
Now come on. Jager did that move often on the Rangers in the late 80's!!!!
The Mich should be called the Svech. He was the first in the NHL!!!
So where are we going.... for a steak after the game 🤔i heard houstons is pretty good
As a Capitals fan, I love how excited Ovechkin gets when he scores a goal. And he's done it before more than anyone other than Gretzky. But he still gets excited. And I think that's how it should be.
Meanwhile Vally goes MIA when Zegras and everyone else does the Michigan or try. back in my day we didnt cry so much. Ive seen the forsberg move work a few years ago and noone cried. Im not a fan of the analytics, they are useful but so are the eye tests.
Not true. Vally has expressed many times that he doesn't like The Michigan.
The idea of not continuing to run up a score out of respect for the losing team is ridiculous to me in professional sports. This isn't a 9 year old in house league where they need the mercy rule because otherwise the 9 year old is going to go home and ball his eyes out over losing 13 to 2. These are professional freaking athletes. If they're bad pump them for every goal you can get. Don't let up " out of respect." They are professionals and as you said Shannon have they considered just not being bad. I'm sorry if you make millions of dollars a year as a professional sports player you have no right to be a whiny little baby about another team running up the score on you. Anyone who has that take needs to do some personal reflection because come on grow up. Especially in hockey for a sport that touts toughness there are a lot of Unwritten rules that imply being the complete opposite of tough and actually being complete babies and acting like children. There are a lot of very contradictory aspects to the social side of hockey that mainly revolve around look at us we are so tough but also you're not allowed to do that because It embarrasses me so I'm going to whine like a baby and be mad about you being better than me. So are you tough or are you a whiner? Make up your mind. That's how I feel when I hear garbage takes like that. I am glad you get it THG.
Bawl
Michigan... back in the early 80's a wrap around was a new skill move that 99 or the very best Russians did... It's just another variations, ffs!
How dare you bring your first unit out in a blowout game. Now they'll score more goals, and then I can't complain about how they had a down year. Wait a minute, they still did.
I mean not long ago the Chicago Whitesox player hit a homerun to make the game 15-1 or something and got chewed out by his own manager. All sports have unwritten rules and they are just ridiculous.
real ones remember when the slapshot was illegal because the puck should stay on the ice and no one really could manage to shot the puck with precision. then came Boom Boom Geoffrion with his precise slapshot and the league changed. neanderthal hockey fans will never not get angry over stupid stuff like this and it's been a staple of the NHL for a century.
i want ice ream
Just for the record, running up the score in the MLB is a big no-no (even though it's the sport where comebacks are the most possible). If you swing at a 3-0 pitch you're going to get hit because you hurt the poor pitcher's feelings
Hughes didn't score, so whatever he was doing didn't work. This is a non-problem. Dumb comment from a witless commentator.
Now let's talk about fighting in hockey. And cross checking. Both bs and show kids the wrong way to win.
Broadcast in general needs fresher/newer perspectives. The better analysts are Kevin Bieksa, PK Subban etc. who have played the game in recent years and understand the modern game. Or older players who have an open mind to learn and understand the game today instead of going back to their playing days as reference.
I've never understood why some people defend two human beings beating each other to a pulp so vehemently. Pretty sad when you think about it, how little we have evolved as a species over the last few thousand years.
Honestly I hate the 'expected goals for' analytics. Any of the 'expected..."
Fluke goals happen all the time and nasty saces happen all the time. Just measure the Grade A chances that were saved. From what I understand expected goals for is also accounting for zone time. Its the most pointless analytic to me.
I dont mind if commentators talk about how it used to be......if....... its not every other play. And as long as it related to the play in the game. Something which swedish commentators do alot starts to talk about an match back in the 1980 or such.... what does that tell the audence (most likely that this match is borinng to watch).
I'm old enough to know what percolate means and where it came from, but I think your average viewer doesn't. Now get off my lawn.
Back in my day that wasn't a penalty. And thank goodness that changed. Watching 90s hockey with somebody water skiing behind the guy with the puck was awful.
Shoresy knows how to take care of those trying the Michigan :D
give them the lumber?
rangers are STINKO ! have gone straight downhill since decent start , and back in my day = from an old goalie =goalies had no masks, pads were small & helmets were decades away , every team had a goon or 2 to stand up for teammates or take out other team's top guys , glad as hell the goonery had to disappear as the european game brought finesse .. you can't hit what you cant catch !
Maybe this commentary was just a way to distract people from how the game went. Nobody is talking about Bratt's 4 point game or Jack 2 goals that went in. Nope, just this guy getting mad about the breakaway that didn't result in a goal anyway.🧐
Remember, this is the same man who thought Kakko was guna be better than Hughes, sooo, take what this dude says about Jack especially after another ownage job of his team, with a grain of 🧂
Watching these girls on "#hockeytwt" go off about how much of a clown vally is for saying what he said had me spinning. The instagram remark might have been a slight shot at Hughes, but hey, he's a rangers analyst, not a devils analyst. The overarching point he was making was that there is absolutely no drive or compete left on that rangers team up and down the lineup. And he's right, but frankly I love to see it.
It can be two things at once. I guarantee you if it was any other devils player, Valiquette would have just criticized the Rangers D, maybe just say that you can't let the other team style on you like that. Calling Jack "disrespectful" and "instagram hockey" is unnecessary in my opinion, tipping towards personal. Something about Jack makes Valiquette go a little further than normal, you see it in his twitter interactions with devils fans, his place in the hughes/kakko debate since the draft.
It only gets blown up like this cause the game was on nhl network and people outside the market got to see this.
@ysakoko we're in agreement, he's shown his ass as an analyst multiple times prior, but I do think it was overblown on Twitter and in the post-game as if it wasn't mostly just a color guy trying to come with a hot take at his franchise that seems to be slipping
I think the problem with the Rangers is that their best player is unsigned and headed towards free agency. Saw the same thing happen with the Islanders & Tavares. The team is just up in the air waiting for something to happen, like they're in limbo. The solution is to sign Shesterkin. They're going to piss away the season and end up signing him anyway for what they're refusing to pay him now.
@@RRaquello they also went all in on long term contracts on players aging into 35 years old with trouba, Mika, kreider, and trochek. This core wasn't meant to be imploding like this, which is why I think they're hesitating to sign shesty. No point in signing him if you're gonna have to mortgage the whole core to rebuild when Quick looks solid too, might as well ship him off with the rest and tear it all down