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@@CelebrityAccounts Yeah, this happens a lot. A channel called Pilot Debrief, & another called Blancolirio, do videos on fatal private plane crashes, & because of this their channels are demonetized, allegedly. But ads still play during them! Wtf?!
Detailed that plane for the better part of 10 years. The pilot was familiar with the aircraft, having owned it for many years, and this was his home airport. I retired the year prior to this, and of hearing a Navion went down, my first thought was, "I hope that wasn't Jim" Truly was a nice guy. RIP JIm.
I'm sorry for you sadness. At least your friend left doing what I'm sure he loved, flying his beautiful aircraft. I pray for his family and you to find comfort. 🌹
I think it's amazing that the internet allows us to hear information from people who are directly connected to people involved in videos like this. Sorry for the loss of your buddy. Can't imagine the gut wrenching feeling the guy must have went through in those last moments. Only comforting part is he didn't suffer any, other than the mental anguish of what was about to happen. We humans put a lot of faith in mechanical devices. He probably tried to recover it harder than anything else in his life but a mechanical fault made it impossible. I hope if I'm ever involved in any aircraft related disaster, I have the time and mental stability to make contact with my family to let them know I love them more than anything else in this world. This case, I assume he didn't unfortunately.
Yea, but the men held back until the woman ran out and started trying to put out the fire, and instead of moving over to where she was, they sprayed toward her.
Didn't matter. They were dead the second that plane hit the parking lot. Fire or not. The impact killed them and that was better then being burned alive because that is what would have happened. That plane was crushed to almost nothing by the impact.
You can't see but a narrow view and there is a short time period before anyone approaches the plane, plenty of time to grab a phone. I'm sure everyone instinctively went for their phone.
I'm sure that the occupants of the airplane were dead on impact however people need to know that you can't put a fire out by spraying the flames. You need to direct the spray at the base of the fire.
@@jgetscensored7837 Most highschools do not require taking calculus, and it's extremely useful if you work with any sort of scientific phenomenon. Do you need it to add numbers together? No. Do you need it to accurately describe most physical phenomena, including something as simple as tossing a ball? Yes.
Sad that this happened but I am sure that the pilot had not control of where the plane hit. Sounds to me like there was a lack of power from the engine since the plane was seen flying lower than normal traffic and his turn as if trying to get back to the airport or a place to land.
C Mc Mahon .. God is mighty ! He didn't want the guy you mentioned hurt in this accident ..... the two fkwits that thought they could fly had to be taught a lesson ! God is mighty..😥
That woman in the floral leggings is a BEAST! She came outta nowhere TWICE with a fire extinguisher THEN after she exhausted that and the two other guys used theirs she moved her car.... Most people would have priortized their car BUT not her... she's a bonafide hero!
If only she knew how to use the fire extinguisher :) In any case, those extinguishers weren't going to do enough for a fuel fire. Not without a bunch on hand one after another. Gotta imagine how hot that was though. Props to her for trying.
She moved her car into the traffic lane and abandoned it, partially blocking one approach of fire/paramedics. And she shot the extinguisher at the flames, not the fuel. Give her an E for effort, but otherwise, she was a little bit worse than useless.
thanks for specifying the "deceased". too many times people aren't specific about their R.I.P.'s. were they for the living or for the deceased? I don't know.
If you have an extinguisher, read the instructions and familiarize yourself with them. One thing you will see on there is to point it at the base of the flames. If not, like at least one person did in this video, you're approaching a fire for little or no good. Despite that, these people were very brave and should all be commended for attempting to put out the fire. I am hoping the end came quickly for the people in the plane. RIP
Exactly, you technically aren’t fighting the fire, you’re fighting the fuel. From the severity of the crash I can’t imagine they suffered. I hope they can find peace.
In the UK it is part of the employer s legal requirement to ensure all staff are familiar with the use of appropriate fire extinguishers. All brigades have industrial training units but any individual station will gladly give free advice on their correct use.
I was thinking that too, but at least they had a rapid response for an obvious unsurvivable crash. Also, like ‘never bring a knife to a gun fight’ Never bring water to a gas fire. But again, someone just trying to help.
Two guys walks out with a fire extinguisher and just stand there and even start to walk away until a brave woman runs out there with a fire extinguisher and at least attempts to put out the fire. Sadly, know one has been taught that a fire feeds oxygen from under the fire, so you need to spray under the fire to cut off its fuel.
My gosh, what a horrible thing to witness. Kudos to the civilians who attempted to extinguish that fire and assist first responders. My prayers go out to the victims.
What a horrible thing to watch. No chance for survival with a crash like that. Head on into concrete. At least they went quickly with no suffering. In my previous line of work, every 3 years we had to take firefighting training along with First Aid and HUET (Helicopter Underwater Escape Training). You would be surprised at the fire you can put out with a single extinguisher. For example, there was a 10' x 10' pit with fuel in it. It was lit on fire and once fully engulfed, we had to put it out with a single extinguisher. Every student had to do that. Once you learn the technique it's easy but before that.. it's almost impossible.
“First responders” were second responders in this case, and usually are. People should just stop calling emergency services “first responders” altogether. It’s just an egotistical term.
Kudos to the woman who had presence of mind and used the fire extinguisher when the two security guards just kept running back and forth in the beginning...... what were they waiting for? Geez.
They were trying to be strategic with the deployment of their extinguishers. The woman you referred to shot her shot into the flames and didn't accomplish anything.
As suddenly as this impact happened and with most people that are not familiar with 100LL Avgas erupting in a fireball and proper knowledge and use of extinguishers they did alright but at a high risk of their own injuries and that impact was probably the smallest footprint a plane could make in a crash I have ever seen.
@@mawmawvee Looks like the engine died and he stalled the aircraft trying to get back to the runway. Very easy mistake to do, number 1 killer of pilots on take off.
The ‘popping’ sound witness’ reported hearing after takeoff is normally some problem with the engine. If it runs out of fuel, taking off on the wrong tank, it just loses power smoothly. Whatever the problem we are taught to plan for an engine out & the guy needed to fly the airplane to the crash. In 40 years of flying - if you put it down, under control, you usually will survive. When you let it stall, you’re no longer in control, gravity is.
I learned how to fly on both 16L and 16R. Just past the end of either runway, there's nothing but dense population, houses and buildings. My instructor told me countless times (30 years later I can hear him saying right now) that if you lose power - immediately check airspeed and point the nose DOWN as needed to prevent a stall, and if you're under 1000 feet, pick a place to crash that is straight ahead or nearly straight ahead of you, do NOT turn back to the runway, then fly the plane to your intended crash site - do not waver. All counter-intuitive when it happens to a pilot, but it offers the best chance of survival.
Popping sound could be all kinds of things, like a buckling wing skin, midair impact, stuck flap suddenly freeing, etc. Without a recording, it's tough to say from a subjective witness statement. From the combustion chamber inspections, it sounds like the engine was operating normally. If it was a control issue, any continuity after that impact will never be found, short of a missing control surface. It doesn't sounds like this one will be conclusively resolved based on the information so far. That being said, the advice to keep your nose down is absolutely vital to every airman. IMO, every pilot should have 10 hours in gliders before licensing.
@@ryanmcgowan3061 The thing to do was to land going straight ahead. He tried to turn back, leading to an accelerated stall, the inside wing dropped and that was the end of it. Glider experience wouldn’t have helped, a lot more spin training with an emphasis on what causes them while banking, and how to avoid them would have, because that’s what killed him.
@@oneanddone7992 I'm not a pilot but always had a love for aviation. I watched Dan Gryder teach on the very thing your instructor said and that was to point the nose down to prevent the stall and to train on this because your natural reaction is to pull back on the yoke thus stall and crash.
With the gentle mercy that they felt no pain in death. When you hit that hard, the g's put your nervous system to moosh so fast that the nerves don't have time to send any signals to the brain. As an aviator, I would rather die that way, than a host of other alternatives. RIP airmen.
Removing vehicles and or fuel sources from araound a fire, that may be bigger than what you can control is wise. Its easy to arm chair criticise, but when a plane crashes next to you workshop it would be hard to comprehend and deal with for some.
@@johnb5231 I don't blame the people who moved their vehicles. The victims in the aircraft were toast. There were plenty of people fighting the fire. A secondary concern is close vehicles also catching fire, and yes some regular guy might be worried about his transportation because we all have our own lives to worry about too. And when the professional responders arrive any minute, they will also need the area to be as clear as possible. If my vehicle were moveable I'd move it too, and screw all the keyboard warriors who didn't think I looked heroic enough.
For the people criticising the way the fire extinguishers were being used...most people aren’t trained in how to use them, so the fact that these folk were willing to try is heroic. Hitting the base of the fire isn’t easy, and the heat alone from the burning plane probably prohibited the people with the fire extinguishers from getting any closer anyways.
@@MykeruMedia well, we put fire extinguishers everywhere, in case of fire, and that’s considered fire safety, but it’s fairly pointless in reality. And in fact could make things worse. If I hadn’t had to do compulsory yearly fire training as part of my job, which included putting out a fire with an extinguisher, I wouldn’t have known how to use one..in fact my first attempt just made more fire..
Mercifully, death occured due to the impact and before the extensive fire broke out. Far better to be killed instantly than to be alive, trapped in the burning wreckage...
And less brains. Nothing was accomplished. Note Bene the pilot probably when in nose first to avoid ground casualties...granting his death but avoiding a lot of collateral damage.. Planes do not go in hard like that unless it's intentional.
Its base of the flames...Probably a classic stall spin. Always, always fly the plane into the crash, chances are you can land it on a road or field, but if you stall spin it will end this way. The startle factor and unwilling to accept an off field landing can be a killer.
@Frank Roberts Thats wrong IMO and in the best pilots opinion, Bob Hoover who came up with the phrase. I am assuming you are not a pilot, but when you stall and spin you become a fireball. Versus, controlling the plane in between 2 trees or on a road and hitting some cars or poles. That's the way to do it with the best possible outcome, it has to be muscle memory. Keep flying it all the way into the crash landing and don't give up. Ok nighttime over forest, your screwed.
A small plane made an emergency landing right in the middle of a Massachusetts highway on Wednesday afternoon. State police said the plane landed on Interstate 91 in Greenfield due to mechanical failure. The plane did not crash, no vehicles were hit, and the two people who were on board were not injured.
@Frank Roberts I have seen a plane even fly into a tree nobody harmed, all onboard probably walked away. Lesson is no matter what always keep them wings generating lift up to crash, chances are you’ll be ok with a few minor injuries
Give that 1 woman on the left a medal for doing what the men with extinguishers didnt do immediately. The fact that she was willing to go all in while the other two stopped n watched on only acting again when she went in shows her bravery above her own life.
Notice the two men also stayed on the side away from the flames, shielded by the wings. We need more women in charge; men are making a dog's breakfast of everything
@@unropednope4644 True, there was no hope for any occupants but the collateral damage could've been much worse. Shame only one person actually knew how to use the extinguisher.
That lady running out of the building with the fire extinguisher was amazing!! While the men were just standing around looking, she was on point. I'd love to work with someone like her!
Right because shell shock totally isn't a thing huh? I mean certainly those men didn't respond initially simply because they're men right? It totally, most certainly, couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that people are unique and not everyone is going to be able to assess and respond to a one in a million type situation exactly the same. But yeah, lets bring gender nonsense into a f*cking plane crash and give someone a hero award because of their gender. You're probably the same type of person advocating for participation trophies too I bet. Good grief......
Wow. Another beta had the same comment. She almost let her car become an additional fuel source, while she tried to fight a vehicle fire, with a fire extinguisher. She was brave. Don't get me wrong. But one dude removed his vehicle from the area(removing a potential fuel source), and the other used his extinguisher to block a flame that was running under the lady's car, right before she moved it. So quit being a beta cuck. That lady wouldn't talk shit about those men, so why do you feel you should?
The people who attempted to put out the fire did a valiant job. The one who did the best was the one with the water hose who seemed to get control of it a few minutes after starting to extinguish it. Most of the people using the dry chemical extinguishers were using them improperly. The one man that was spraying the burning fuel that was draining to the rear of the right wing was doing it correctly and put the fire out. You Don't Spray up in the air but you spray directly at the base of the fire with a dry chemical extinguisher otherwise you do no good at all. I am a Retired Paramedic/Firefighter. The people likely died instantly when the plane hit the ground.
Water on a gasoline fire isn't a great idea. It was lucky for everybody there were plenty of dry extinguishers and at least a few people who knew how to use them.
USAF Crash and Rescue here. That is why we use foam. Water alone spreads it. Foam, smothers it. I'm an old fart now. Our foam was fish based, and stank! I understand they use something else these days. At least fish foam was environmentally safe.
It was the garden hose that finally put a dent in the fire. I wasn't there so I don't know how it was with the heat and fumes. I have to believe that at least one of those people who tried with fire extinguishers knew that it needs to hit the base of the flames, but maybe they just couldn't get close enough and all they could do was try to rain it down on the wreckage from a distance. This shows how plain water has an advantage. You can stand at a distance and arc the stream onto the fire and still get results, while the powdered dry chemical or gas fire extinguishers will just blow away in the wind with no effect on the fire at all.
Spraying water on a liquid fuel fire can go terribly wrong quickly by spreading the fire. Also NEVER use water on a kitchen grease fire and NEVER use water on a magnesium fire.
This should be included in one of those "Impossible to happen" type videos. It was a tiny plane but how it managed to crash between two rows of parked cars without even singeing one is totally amazing. If you were one of those car owners blind luck physics was on your side that day, unfortunately if you were in the plane the same was not true. I hope the end came quickly. RIP
Did anyone notice that the two security guards ran out to the plane with fire extinguishers in hand, but turned and walked away like they suddenly decided that they didn't want to get involved. But the woman ran out and ran right up to the problem and swung into action. even if she wasn't using the extinguisher correctly, she still was cool headed enough to get involved, unlike the security guards that eventually did start using their extinguishers, i guess not wanting to get shown up by a woman.
As a retired firefight/paramedic, KNOW THIS: if you're not using/pointing the extinguisher at the BASE of the flame, you are WASTING the extinguisher, PERIOD. This information can or will save life and property. Just FYI.
First RIP to Jim the pilot! 2nd the guy pushing that cart was so blessed just few minutes later plane would have landed on him. 3rd I know life was already lost but I appreciate that woman coming out with no hesitation to extinguish as opposed to the guy that took his sweet time...
I watched a preliminary report from an airport spokesman (I believe) and one person, initially, was actually transported to a hospital while the other was declared dead at the scene. Amazing that anyone in the plane would have had any signs of life, after the way it came down.
@@guymerritt4860 One frame shows the aircraft about to impact, the next video frame there is no survivable space in the passenger area, even if the engine went to the side.
Kudos to the 3/4 people that tried hard to extinguish it. It was obviously too late to save either of them but possibly prevented any further fire from spreading.
Congrats to the woman for her instant effort running to the fire to extinguish the flames, it is unfortunate efforts were not as good as intended as she has not had basic training in fire extinguisher use. The Non Hero of the day award has to go to the Sloth driver of the silver mini van. Every other person made attempts or showed that they wanted to do something, anything mean while he casually strolled to his van, got in and moved it away, then afterwards casually walked back to his work place looking at the wreckage fanning the smoke away with his hand like it was annoying smoke from a camp fire. Can imagine the only time he would move fast for anything is if someone lit a fire under his ass.
If you have ever been close to a car fire you would get all other gas tanks away from one as fast as you can. They are soooo hot, and the gas in the nearby cars would boil and then their vapors would ignite too. Maybe not the nicest visual but a sound decision. Why all the other cars were not getting moved away is the real question I have. If they had lit off the entire block would have been destroyed. Move the other fuel sources and deploy the extinguishers, both should be at the top of your mind in situations like this.
The extinguishers weren't going to put out that fire. He moved his vehicle, which made space and got a potential fuel source away from the fire. Some people aren't going to risk injury or waste energy, on a plainly DOA situation. It's not like they were adequately equipped. The extinguishers were better used to keep the fire from spreading, like when the fire almost reached the black Toyota. The guy did nothing wrong. While it's commendable of the others for trying their hardest, at the end of the day they all accomplished the same. No more property damage and two people still unfortunately died. Effort or not, be damned. That's life...
@@654Crossman The point is not that he moved his vehicle, perfectly good move, It’s that he took his relaxed time getting to and doing it. To your point If moving as a fuel source was a priority he would have not been on his phone, instead gone directly to his van, then he instead of backing to the right he actually backed left closer to the flame source. His actions look more done to avoid any possible damage to his van not to remove a potential fuel source. It could be argued he was on his phone to 911, that does not stop him from moving quickly and directly to his van if the purpose was to remove a fuel source. I mean yes credit do, he did do something by moving his van, then going back inside.
@@wirefeed3419 the dude wasn't tripping over himself to do it. No. But you don't always think right or act right, in disasters. The main attention was on the plane, till he knew the occupants couldn't possibly be alive. From there, all kinds of things start flying through your mind. I don't understand why you are so adamant, about treating this guy like a selfish asshole. I really don't understand. But hey. It is what it is. You can bitch about a civilian's response, to a plane crash. That's up to you. I've got better things to do. ✌️
Those two guys with the extinguishers were idiots. I love the lady with bigger balls than those two who runs out and starts fighting the fire. This is why you have to keep yourselves sharp. You want to at least be able to add some sliver of value to a situation. These guys weren't sharp.
Those 2 guys just knew that trying to put out a fuel fed aircraft fire with a hand held extinguisher was futile, and put themselves at risk for zero gain. Occupants were obviously deceased. cars could be moved. Mrs. big balls had zero effect on that fire and put herself at risk.. you know, come to think of it, most of my dead friends had big balls too.
Running head first into a fire is a great way to create another casualty, the woman is definitely brave but she's lucky she didn't get overcome by the smoke.
Every frickin time, you have no idea! 🤣. I would never think to park the fire engine right at the front entrance of a barricaded subject, so why do they always block us out on fires? cracks me up……
What amazed me in this video is how so many civilians from the adjoining buildings ran out with fire extinguishers in hand risking their lives in a attempt to save the lives of the pilot and passenger who were most likely already dead on impact. Video like this restores your faith in humanity. They weren't able to save the lives of the occupants but they did prevent a larger fire and they put out the fire before the local fire department could arrive on scene. They should all receive a special commendation. The big question now is what caused this accident? What caused the pilot to suddenly lose control of the aircraft in perfect weather? Is this yet another case of SADS? (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome)
I remember the exact day I pulled a guy from a burning car on HWY 101 North of Petaluma in May 16,1988. How do I know the exact date all these years later? Well I proised my now Ex-wife I would take off work early from my Job in San Francisco remodelling a auto dealer(Ron Greenspan Volkswagon) and was the forman so it wasnt easy to get the time off. None the less as I was going home to Healdsburg I saw a puff of smoke off the right side of the freeway and 2 or 3 cars lined up on the shoulder so I slid in to see if I could help even though I was already late for my sons B-day party. As I came upon the scence I saw a group of 6-7 men standing at the top of an incline that dropped 20 feet into a Vee-ditch and a chain link fence with a car on its top smoking and fire coming from under the front end. I couldnt believe nobody had gone down to help and were just standing at the top watching. The young guy was trapped and couldnt release his seatbelt and was screaming help me so as soon as I heard that I bolted down the hill sliding on my butt(steep hill with iceplant) and felt this tremendous blast of heat! It took away your ability to breathe but hearing the screams from that poor guy and seeing that nobody was going to help I said a quick prayer and fished my pocket knife out and reached through his window and cut his seatbelt in one stroke. I know the Holy Spirit was with me because I couldnt have done that as surely again in a thousand years with that much pressure. That was all he kneeded to roll out into my lap and I dragged him sideways enough to get out of the flames but we were still about ready to combust from heat, SOOO HOTTT. For some reason he couldnt walk so I picked him up and fireman carried him up that hill away from the flames just as it went up in a woosh! I have never been so discusted in my fellow man and yet elated in my Holy God for giving me the strength to save this mans life. as we got to the top the firemen arrived and I told him i had to get home before my wife skinned me. I gave him my number, a hug and prmise to meet his parents and my wife did indeed get pissed, didnt buy my story until his parents came to my house that night in tears offering me a fortune for helping when nobody else would. I said thanks but no thanks as I was led by the Spirit of God and was just happy to know he would survive and prosper. They were amazed and persistant and very wonderful people and I made a friend that day so you never know how you will react in a pinch but it feels good to know you wont fold up There is a saying I love it goes like this: Some people fold when squeezed, some tend to focus which person are you?
What makes you think a magical entity from another dimension was involved? You do realise that the body and brain releases adrenaline and endorphins when in a high stress, life threatening state right? Nothing supernatural shown or proven to be involved whatsoever.
I'm sure getting close enough was not an option, that's a fire. They're very hot when it's aviation fuel and synthetics burning together. At least they're trying.
@@AquarianNomadic I get that, but they didn't even start till the brave woman started (correctly). And after they saw the woman doing it the dudes used the extinguishers like a water hose.
@@tjwoosta I know this. They can't even figure out what just happened or even see what the bottom is. Give them a break. You must be captain fire extinguisher lol
I was very impressed at the lady who brought the fire extinguisher out whether it works or not on diesel fuel - and she was the first one to pull the pin and try and put the fire out while the other two guys are kind of like waiting around like it’s too late they didn’t even try until the lady did it first. May the pilot and the passenger RIP. So sad. Some of the comments are coming from people who obviously know more than the average American does regarding this kind of situation don’t go getting all critical on where and how and what and why to try and help get the flames out I’m sure this lady and those two men had no clue as to what to do at least the lady had the balls to at least do something right or wrong she did something so let’s not be so critical on the average citizen when everyone else seems to be the experts.
Why are you trying to turn this into yet another GiRl PoWeR thing? Also, where did you get "diesel" from? Does this particular aircraft really run on diesel fuel? Also, fire extinguishers show pictorially that you need to aim them at the base of the flame. You don't even have to read instructions. You just need to have had enough curiosity ahead of time to have glanced at one in order to know this.
Was the cause ever determined? What was the pop? I’m starting to think flight recorders should be standard in all aircraft. RIP to those who weee lost.
If something had minorly exploded, like any pressurized can, and blown flaming liquid all over those people, the fight to protect parked cars wouldn’t have looked heroic. It’s not smart to fight fires without the right equipment, especially when there’s nobody to save.
Jim Was a Great Guy His motto was You Only Live Once He did my roof in Brentwood Ca. Really would like to know what Caused this terrible accident. RIP Jim
As tragic as this was, it could've been much worse. I don't know what the area is like where he crashed, but he died a hero for being able to avoid both of the buildings which undoubtedly saved many lives.
Jesus literally DID do that to spare many other lives from potential destruction. Quite miraculous how it hit the sweet spot damaging nothing (that video showed) substantive on the ground. If it had wiped out a building or car full of pax, whole magnitude worse ! RIP to the 2 lost, in Jesus name !
@@psalm2forliberty577 More like chances.... most of times planes hit people, buildings, cars... so no. Nothing miraculous here. Divine action would be the plane recovering from stall and safely gliding back to airport.
I'm puzzled at the two guys with the extinguishers! They came out first and was walking away from the fire until the woman started using her extinguisher. Did anyone else notice that?
It amazes me how no one knows how to properly use a fire extinguisher. You need to spray the base and source of the fire, not spray the middle and tops of the flames! 🤦
The fact that dude rolling whatever it was passed just before it crashed is insane… he was a few seconds away from being at the wrong place at the wrong time 👀
Watching the crash in slow motion (.25x) is insane. There's just no way in hell you could get me to ride in a tiny single-engine aircraft. That one engine is your lifeline. When it goes, you go. Engine failure may not even be why this happened, but it doesn't change my opinion about it.
Needed to o spray fire extinguishers at the base of fire from the windward side underneath the tail and let it get drawn into the fire with the oxygen feeding it. Apply dry chemical to fuel spreading across the ground before it ignites.
The two “security” guys using the extinguishers are idiots and did. Nothing to help the matter. Spraying it like air fresheners instead of at the damn base of the fire. Smh 🤦♀️ wow
@@tomservo5007 Look at the smoke. There was no wind blowing towards the men. It was blowing towards the woman. I’m impressed by the woman’s bravery and didn’t shame anyone. Unless you are one of the guys at the scene and feel guilty.
@@tomservo5007 There were others standing closer soon after and the woman blew past them and got even closer to use the extinguisher. The two dopes standing there with their mouths hanging open were not doing anything from the heat.
I am a long retired NTSB crash investigator. I have slowed this film down to 100 frames per second and captured everything from the initial impact which was incredibly straight nose in, very difficult to find a plane Making contact with terrain at that angle but anything is possible. both of the pilots were thrown free of the plane still strapped into their seats looking at the plane at 12 o'clock looking straight at the plane the pilot in command landed approximately 11 o'clock where you see a white object. That is his seat I was also able to differentiate the gentleman's head. The copilot or second in command was also still attached to his seat and that was approximately 330 to the right of the wing. there was a large white colored metal object that flew into the bed of the pick up. In the business of investigating hi velocity air crash you are liable to find anything anywhere! it's all physics on steroids. I have heard of a body missing from the passenger count on a twin engine plane and sometime later finding it on the roof of a house or in a tree. Video like this is critical to investigators seeking the truth because once the fire department arrives at a crash like this ....., it's all over! Fire has consumed everything it can. I applaud the office workers and bystanders who jumped right into action with their ABC fire extinguishers 🧯 while the two security guards stood around picking their asses! Especially the one lady who started from the aft and was clearly having breathing distress , but fighting the hell out of that fire with her fire extinguisher! Video cameras are something we didn't have in the old days, now there is no denying when you have a video of the event in question. There will be many other videos of this tragic accident taken from different locations and interviews with pilots that might have seen the trouble these aviators got into and the path the aircraft took before it crashed. The NTSB will have certified pilots of this particular model on the investigating team as well as a host of other professionals familiar with it handling characteristics and also it's logbooks from the day it was delivered, in some instances I have heard of the mechanics them self being audited. As far as the question of the gentleman already being deceased before the plane hit the ground let me just talk from personal experience. In 1989 I went up with a friend to pick up an aircraft he purchased in Denver, and fly it back to Van Nuys California, not as a pilot but just to get out of the house more or less. About 30 minutes outside of Denver we lost both engines, The only logical reason we could think of was the fuel supply was blocked because we all checked the fuel level by checking the gauge inside the tank just like we do when we fly, you-never believe gages on an aircraft if you can do a visual. The guide ratio on this particular aircraft was like that of a brick. doing everything in the cockpit to get that fuel flowing again the pilot called in a mayday and approximate location where we expected to go in so they could send the equipment. My mind went numb when I say numb I mean gray numb! When I've heard that expression used in the past I've never connected but now I was losing my ability to reason and seem to zone out! no fear no panic no emotion I guess that is such an overload of adrenaline being dumped into your system. I went to the back of the plane and buckled down as tight as I could. the pilot yelled something and I presumed that he meant Impact. That's it! I came too in the hospital looking like Louis Armstrong (and I'm not black! ) No memory of the impact or the rescue or the surgery except when I gained further conscience and this tsunami pain introduced itself to me. I will not try to convince you of anything I just do believe you get to that point when you know it's all over that your body shoots a chemical through you that prevents a freak out and deliver you to a peaceful place of resolution. I am almost blind now but I do well with magnifying glasses so I am talking into a voice transcriber, please excuse the typos and sloppiness sometimes the computer doesn't understand what I'm trying to say but I hope you understand. One reason that there will be an incredibly detailed investigation covering ......everything! is the amount of paper generated from law firms! Suing the manufacturer regardless of how old the plane was ,The flight school, the taxi that brought the pilot to the airport, The shoeshine boy , the waitress who poured his coffee, godspeed to all involved I have been through this so many times and it never gets easy. It seems like it's always outstanding families that are touched by these aircraft accidents! For every accident , there is an investigation that is designed to prevent yet another accident! and Michael we are the most ridiculous double vitality afternoon delight investigated where two neighbors who took there Baron on a golfing holiday to Las Vegas. At the airport they got into a verbal over who would fly the second leg to get home. The ramp agent at the FBO went inside to call the Las Vegas metro police but by the time the police arrived the plane was gone. Audio tapes from the cockpit and ATC showed both pilots were drunk and fighting for controls. Wreckage was found at the base of the Grand Canyon.
Unfortunately, sir, the NTSB isn't the same today as during your tenure. It's just like any other government agency these days. Narcissists for leaders, who promote yes men or based on woke quotas for races, or sexual preferences, and rarely on background and training. Often there are 2 investigators sent to run this investigation, and many times neither is even a pilot. As a matter of fact, they tried to push that policy for a while (to have other professions investigate unfamiliar professions, as someone thought that would be a good idea), and you can check Dan gryders channel on RUclips here and hear him vent about the overwhelming amount of aviation mishaps that the NTSB fails to produce any safety information or even causes... When the government started in the business of race, or gender, or religious hiring requirements, it set this country back 100's of years. Government contracts are now awarded to a business not based on how they meet the requirements for a project, but by emphasizing the "importance" of the race and gender of the companies owner. Ever wonder why a bridge, road, or other routine infrastructure replacement job costs 10's of millions of dollars more than it would if it were a private business accepting bids for projects? It's because we think there's an armada of highly skilled and well trained professionals working for our government agencies, but that is absolutely not the case. Not at the leadership levels, at least. Which is where it matters most. The CIA, NSA, and all of military intelligence didn't realize that the instant we were thinking g of leaving Afghanistan that our puppet leader and people we "trained" would hive up like pussies and take any money they could and run? The other 3 letter agency that is currently scarier than all others, sat quiet watching nearly 200 days of riots occur in 2020 while allowing a former cabinet member from the previous administration, who they feigned investigating in any actual sense of the manner, whom worked in the executive branch, get away with the use of a personal email server to transmit classified material for years. Thats like just casually sending classified information via TV commercials, as any intelligence agency in the world xan and would intercept them, as proven via the podesta email hack... Then when they subpoena this person and their staff for this server, UMA Abedin, wife of democratic pervert anthony weiner, knowingly and intentionally uses a 3rd party software to permanently destroy all the information ever kept on those servers before the agents could acquire said email servers... to put that in perspective, over the last 40 years, anykne convicted of transmitting, selling, stealing or misappropriating classified material, whether or not it was delivered to an adversary, has received an average of 36 years in federal prison. Many received life sentences. If I were to do that with one piece of material that was other than unclassified, at a minimum my security clearance would be gone and I'd be on a course for dismissal. More than once? That's treasonous. With or without intent, as Jim comey claimed was his basis for not charging that dog faced criminal cunt. The once prominent institutions you, and I, were so fond of, are infested with generations of useless, corrupt people with no moral compass, nor dedication to this country. Ntsb included
@@kilobravo2373 you are 110% correct. Unfortunately. A complete waste , every single government agency is a complete waste anymore. Sad but true. Totally incompetent. Every single last one
Say whatever you want, but it's absolutely a fuccin miracle that aircraft didn't hit anything but concrete. It's dirty blind luck, because obviously the plane stalled and the flight control surfaces had zero authority. It just landed at the perfect pitch to accordion itself into a tiny, neat little footprint. Obviously unsurvivable for those onboard, but a GA plane full of aviation fuel miraculously crashed in a narrow alley parking lot without destroying any parked vehicles. A tempest in a teapot. Unfreakingbelievable, the physics of it all.
Everyone is saying to spray at the base of the flames. Well that might be true, perhaps it may have been too hot to get close enough to the fire to spray the base. So In place of doing nothing, perhaps they just gave it their best effort.
Quite miraculous crash - how it hit the sweet spot damaging nothing (that video showed) substantive on the ground. If it had wiped out a building or car full of pax, whole magnitude worse ! RIP to the 2 lost, in Jesus name !
That is totally unreal it just seemed to drop out the sky I don't think anyone would ever of expected something like that to happen shows just how fragile life is could have killed many in the car park and I guess the people on board hardly had time to realise what was about to happe, this thing called life is certainly a strange thing ❤️💯💔
Impressed with how many fire extinguishes were immediately available. Brave people getting close to it too. That is hot and will melt and burn your hair and skin just by getting close to it. Though, one thing I always remember being thought in school (probably 10 years old), you need to aim at the base of the fire and not at the top of the flames. Most likely both died on impact.
If he were aiming for the center-line, he nailed it! Watching at quarter speed, you can see them looking straight at the pavement as they impact. Zero horizontal component guaranteed death.
What a terrible day for the pilot and his family, I hope they can find peace. Amazing how it landed right in the middle of the empty area in a small busy parking lot...right where someone stood 10 seconds earlier. This could have been worse.
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@@CelebrityAccountsyou're not the brightest crayon in the box now are you?
Detailed that plane for the better part of 10 years. The pilot was familiar with the aircraft, having owned it for many years, and this was his home airport. I retired the year prior to this, and of hearing a Navion went down, my first thought was, "I hope that wasn't Jim" Truly was a nice guy. RIP JIm.
So sorry for your loss of a friend.
I'm so very sorry for the loss of your friend.
@miss p maybe something broke.
I'm sorry for you sadness. At least your friend left doing what I'm sure he loved, flying his beautiful aircraft. I pray for his family and you to find comfort. 🌹
I think it's amazing that the internet allows us to hear information from people who are directly connected to people involved in videos like this.
Sorry for the loss of your buddy. Can't imagine the gut wrenching feeling the guy must have went through in those last moments. Only comforting part is he didn't suffer any, other than the mental anguish of what was about to happen. We humans put a lot of faith in mechanical devices. He probably tried to recover it harder than anything else in his life but a mechanical fault made it impossible. I hope if I'm ever involved in any aircraft related disaster, I have the time and mental stability to make contact with my family to let them know I love them more than anything else in this world. This case, I assume he didn't unfortunately.
very impressed with how many people attacked the fire instead of pulling out their phones
Yea, but the men held back until the woman ran out and started trying to put out the fire, and instead of moving over to where she was, they sprayed toward her.
Didn't matter. They were dead the second that plane hit the parking lot. Fire or not. The impact killed them and that was better then being burned alive because that is what would have happened. That plane was crushed to almost nothing by the impact.
If they used their fire extinguisher app they would big brain.
Yeah. A few dry powder cans arent going to do anything on a large flammable liquid fire, but it was definitely a nice thought.
You can't see but a narrow view and there is a short time period before anyone approaches the plane, plenty of time to grab a phone. I'm sure everyone instinctively went for their phone.
I'm sure that the occupants of the airplane were dead on impact however people need to know that you can't put a fire out by spraying the flames. You need to direct the spray at the base of the fire.
We need to add that to the list of "shit we should have as required teaching in high school instead of calculus".
@@christopherwarsh Of all the garbage you could cut from the high school curriculum, calculus is not it.
@@Pahrump why require 100% of students to take a subject that 99.9% of them will not benefit from?
Base of fire , not flames
Simple . important..rarely correctly executed.
@@jgetscensored7837 Most highschools do not require taking calculus, and it's extremely useful if you work with any sort of scientific phenomenon. Do you need it to add numbers together? No. Do you need it to accurately describe most physical phenomena, including something as simple as tossing a ball? Yes.
A special thank you to all the people that fought the fire and attempted to rescue the pilot.
What a woman!!! She didn’t hesitate one bit. Rip who lost their lives 🙏
I thought the same thing. She acted immediately.
How they were able to accurately miss everything and everybody was an absolute miracle.
Yeah, that’s threading a needle right there.
Sad that this happened but I am sure that the pilot had not control of where the plane hit. Sounds to me like there was a lack of power from the engine since the plane was seen flying lower than normal traffic and his turn as if trying to get back to the airport or a place to land.
Purely coincidental the aircraft was out of control 100%.
Nah. They definitely spun it into a dive. Just coincidence.
Luck. They didn't do anything
The man that walked across the lot, at point of impact, at the very beginning of the video was soooo lucky! He misses absolute death by mere minutes!
And think they want flying cars up there to drop out of the sky.
@@l.ls.8890 We'll have those by the time Florida is underwater which is never
@@graciegjj Florida is like 80% water dude lol
@@jamesordwayultralightpilot ok
C Mc Mahon .. God is mighty ! He didn't want the guy you mentioned hurt in this accident ..... the two fkwits that thought they could fly had to be taught a lesson ! God is mighty..😥
That woman in the floral leggings is a BEAST! She came outta nowhere TWICE with a fire extinguisher THEN after she exhausted that and the two other guys used theirs she moved her car.... Most people would have priortized their car BUT not her... she's a bonafide hero!
If only she knew how to use the fire extinguisher :) In any case, those extinguishers weren't going to do enough for a fuel fire. Not without a bunch on hand one after another. Gotta imagine how hot that was though. Props to her for trying.
She moved her car into the traffic lane and abandoned it, partially blocking one approach of fire/paramedics. And she shot the extinguisher at the flames, not the fuel. Give her an E for effort, but otherwise, she was a little bit worse than useless.
Nothing like OJT.
Agree she is our heroin,she gave her all ,god bless her And RIP
AGREED
RIP to the deceased and thank you to all that at least tried to help.
thanks for specifying the "deceased". too many times people aren't specific about their R.I.P.'s. were they for the living or for the deceased? I don't know.
If you have an extinguisher, read the instructions and familiarize yourself with them. One thing you will see on there is to point it at the base of the flames. If not, like at least one person did in this video, you're approaching a fire for little or no good. Despite that, these people were very brave and should all be commended for attempting to put out the fire. I am hoping the end came quickly for the people in the plane. RIP
the plane impacted in an extreme nose-low attitude, undoubtedly they were gone the moment the plane crushed.
Exactly, you technically aren’t fighting the fire, you’re fighting the fuel. From the severity of the crash I can’t imagine they suffered. I hope they can find peace.
In the UK it is part of the employer s legal requirement to ensure all staff are familiar with the use of appropriate fire extinguishers. All brigades have industrial training units but any individual station will gladly give free advice on their correct use.
I was thinking that too, but at least they had a rapid response for an obvious unsurvivable crash.
Also, like ‘never bring a knife to a gun fight’
Never bring water to a gas fire. But again, someone just trying to help.
PASS... Point aim squeeze sweep
Two guys walks out with a fire extinguisher and just stand there and even start to walk away until a brave woman runs out there with a fire extinguisher and at least attempts to put out the fire.
Sadly, know one has been taught that a fire feeds oxygen from under the fire, so you need to spray under the fire to cut off its fuel.
Yeah, but their assessment that "it doesn't matter" was spot on.
@@jimmiller5600 true
@@jimmiller5600Well it does matter as there's still a fire which can still spread.
@@hrthrhs Excellent point.
My gosh, what a horrible thing to witness. Kudos to the civilians who attempted to extinguish that fire and assist first responders. My prayers go out to the victims.
Shame only one person among them knew how to use an extinguisher.
What a horrible thing to watch. No chance for survival with a crash like that. Head on into concrete. At least they went quickly with no suffering.
In my previous line of work, every 3 years we had to take firefighting training along with First Aid and HUET (Helicopter Underwater Escape Training).
You would be surprised at the fire you can put out with a single extinguisher.
For example, there was a 10' x 10' pit with fuel in it. It was lit on fire and once fully engulfed, we had to put it out with a single extinguisher. Every student had to do that.
Once you learn the technique it's easy but before that.. it's almost impossible.
Never saw a fire extinguisher used, eh?
Very sad in any event.
“First responders” were second responders in this case, and usually are. People should just stop calling emergency services “first responders” altogether. It’s just an egotistical term.
@@LateNightCable I agree... they are paid... it's their goddam job.
Kudos to the woman who had presence of mind and used the fire extinguisher when the two security guards just kept running back and forth in the beginning...... what were they waiting for? Geez.
that's how people are, one who tries to save his life will surely die, one who gives their life will live forever
They were trying to be strategic with the deployment of their extinguishers. The woman you referred to shot her shot into the flames and didn't accomplish anything.
@@JJM2222 "Strategic?" By standing there watching?
@@lizard944 lizard brain. By deciding where to shoot it instead of just blasting off the first chance he gets
@@planeiron241 "... for my sake ..."
I’m amazed at how quickly those civilians acted. I know it’s not the outcome we wanted, but they definitely did their best
agree! the location in the clear area was so lucky.
Really? Until that woman used her extinguisher they stood there watching it burn!
@@James-oo1yq Yes, that woman was a real leader.
Sad thing is, you could have 50 extinguishers and they wouldn't accomplish much....
@@James-oo1yq then they just emptied their extinguishers into the air. Huh?
As suddenly as this impact happened and with most people that are not familiar with 100LL Avgas erupting in a fireball and proper knowledge and use of extinguishers they did alright but at a high risk of their own injuries and that impact was probably the smallest footprint a plane could make in a crash I have ever seen.
it did come in basically straight on it was either going inwards or outwards no room for it to spread out form aoa
@@harrythompson6977 When the plane crashed, it folded into itself. Amazing. Did anyone say what caused the crash?
@@mawmawvee Looks like the engine died and he stalled the aircraft trying to get back to the runway. Very easy mistake to do, number 1 killer of pilots on take off.
@@pyrnicious1847 Thank you.
@@mawmawvee no problem
The ‘popping’ sound witness’ reported hearing after takeoff is normally some problem with the engine. If it runs out of fuel, taking off on the wrong tank, it just loses power smoothly. Whatever the problem we are taught to plan for an engine out & the guy needed to fly the airplane to the crash. In 40 years of flying - if you put it down, under control, you usually will survive. When you let it stall, you’re no longer in control, gravity is.
Nice way of putting it!
I learned how to fly on both 16L and 16R. Just past the end of either runway, there's nothing but dense population, houses and buildings. My instructor told me countless times (30 years later I can hear him saying right now) that if you lose power - immediately check airspeed and point the nose DOWN as needed to prevent a stall, and if you're under 1000 feet, pick a place to crash that is straight ahead or nearly straight ahead of you, do NOT turn back to the runway, then fly the plane to your intended crash site - do not waver.
All counter-intuitive when it happens to a pilot, but it offers the best chance of survival.
Popping sound could be all kinds of things, like a buckling wing skin, midair impact, stuck flap suddenly freeing, etc. Without a recording, it's tough to say from a subjective witness statement. From the combustion chamber inspections, it sounds like the engine was operating normally. If it was a control issue, any continuity after that impact will never be found, short of a missing control surface. It doesn't sounds like this one will be conclusively resolved based on the information so far. That being said, the advice to keep your nose down is absolutely vital to every airman. IMO, every pilot should have 10 hours in gliders before licensing.
@@ryanmcgowan3061 The thing to do was to land going straight ahead. He tried to turn back, leading to an accelerated stall, the inside wing dropped and that was the end of it. Glider experience wouldn’t have helped, a lot more spin training with an emphasis on what causes them while banking, and how to avoid them would have, because that’s what killed him.
@@oneanddone7992 I'm not a pilot but always had a love for aviation. I watched Dan Gryder teach on the very thing your instructor said and that was to point the nose down to prevent the stall and to train on this because your natural reaction is to pull back on the yoke thus stall and crash.
Plane fell like a stone those last moments must have been utterly terrifying. RIP and condolences to the families. So sad
With the gentle mercy that they felt no pain in death. When you hit that hard, the g's put your nervous system to moosh so fast that the nerves don't have time to send any signals to the brain. As an aviator, I would rather die that way, than a host of other alternatives. RIP airmen.
Valiant effort by all who tried to put the fire out, but mercifully, they did not survive long enough to feel it.
They were all probably more worried about their cars catching fire.
Except for the guy who was more worried about his minivan. Nothing valiant about his effort after..
Removing vehicles and or fuel sources from araound a fire, that may be bigger than what you can control is wise.
Its easy to arm chair criticise, but when a plane crashes next to you workshop it would be hard to comprehend and deal with for some.
@@johnb5231 I don't blame the people who moved their vehicles. The victims in the aircraft were toast. There were plenty of people fighting the fire. A secondary concern is close vehicles also catching fire, and yes some regular guy might be worried about his transportation because we all have our own lives to worry about too. And when the professional responders arrive any minute, they will also need the area to be as clear as possible. If my vehicle were moveable I'd move it too, and screw all the keyboard warriors who didn't think I looked heroic enough.
@@onemoremisfit it s a good thing to move your vehicle since there s gas in it and you dont want to spread the fire in all of the neighborhood
I extend my highest regards to the civilians who immediately responded to this horrific tragedy.
The guy making the delivery seconds before the plane fell out of the sky needs to go buy a lottery ticket. 😂🎫
😂
Actually, i'd say he used up his luck avoiding the crash.
@@christopherweise438 Like a cat uses all nine lives at once? 😂
@@madtrucker0983 - Cat's have nine chances. We have 1 big one (IMO). His "winning ticket" is still being alive.
I think it was the mail person. They can add airplane crashes to the list of things that won’t stop the mail.
For the people criticising the way the fire extinguishers were being used...most people aren’t trained in how to use them, so the fact that these folk were willing to try is heroic. Hitting the base of the fire isn’t easy, and the heat alone from the burning plane probably prohibited the people with the fire extinguishers from getting any closer anyways.
Most people are not trained how to use them? Yeah, we kind of guessed that.
@@MykeruMedia Yep, they instinctually shoot at the flame instead of its source.
@@davidrobbins3018 * *facepalm* *
Well said Virginia
@@MykeruMedia well, we put fire extinguishers everywhere, in case of fire, and that’s considered fire safety, but it’s fairly pointless in reality. And in fact could make things worse. If I hadn’t had to do compulsory yearly fire training as part of my job, which included putting out a fire with an extinguisher, I wouldn’t have known how to use one..in fact my first attempt just made more fire..
Mercifully, death occured due to the impact and before the extensive fire broke out.
Far better to be killed instantly than to be alive, trapped in the burning wreckage...
Agreed. Witnessing someone being consumed with fire when they are still alive is something you don't tend to forget. RIP.
Do ya think!
The first woman had more balls than any of the men.
my words
I know that's right. At least she tried to help before moving her vehicle.
And less brains. Nothing was accomplished.
Note Bene the pilot probably when in nose first to avoid ground casualties...granting his death but avoiding a lot of collateral damage..
Planes do not go in hard like that unless it's intentional.
Video demonstrates how effective a fire extinguisher is when used properly
Yes, it would make a good training video to show how ineffective "fogging" the fire is compared to sweeping the base.
Am I the only one who thought 2 cars somehow had a fatal crash in a mall parking lot?
No…😂
Lol me too I was wondering how a crash in a small lot could cause the fire in the thumbnail...imagine my surprise when a PLANE drops into view D: lol
I had to back up and replay to figure out what happened.
Its base of the flames...Probably a classic stall spin. Always, always fly the plane into the crash, chances are you can land it on a road or field, but if you stall spin it will end this way. The startle factor and unwilling to accept an off field landing can be a killer.
@Frank Roberts Thats wrong IMO and in the best pilots opinion, Bob Hoover who came up with the phrase. I am assuming you are not a pilot, but when you stall and spin you become a fireball. Versus, controlling the plane in between 2 trees or on a road and hitting some cars or poles. That's the way to do it with the best possible outcome, it has to be muscle memory. Keep flying it all the way into the crash landing and don't give up. Ok nighttime over forest, your screwed.
*Field *Field lol
@@BigTeXXX Wow don't I feel stupid by a spelling trool.
A small plane made an emergency landing right in the middle of a Massachusetts highway on Wednesday afternoon. State police said the plane landed on Interstate 91 in Greenfield due to mechanical failure. The plane did not crash, no vehicles were hit, and the two people who were on board were not injured.
@Frank Roberts I have seen a plane even fly into a tree nobody harmed, all onboard probably walked away. Lesson is no matter what always keep them wings generating lift up to crash, chances are you’ll be ok with a few minor injuries
That woman took the first action with the fire extinguisher and came back again. Even though her technique wasn’t good she definitely tried!
Those people knocked that freaking fire down! Well done!
The video should be used in training... How NOT to use a fire extinguisher.
In CERT (Community Emergency Response Team) training, people are instructed CUT OFF THE FUEL SOURCE.
Give that 1 woman on the left a medal for doing what the men with extinguishers didnt do immediately. The fact that she was willing to go all in while the other two stopped n watched on only acting again when she went in shows her bravery above her own life.
10 for her response...1 for technique. Spraying the extinguisher in the air at the flames does absolutely nothing.
@@SuperSnallygaster 10 for response is all that matters.. she tried wile everyone else sat on their hands.
ya, that cop just stood there. he did nothing until that female ran up and tried her best. I was going to comment on that. but you did. lol
Notice the two men also stayed on the side away from the flames, shielded by the wings. We need more women in charge; men are making a dog's breakfast of everything
@@GreatBigBore Whatever helps you cope.
Hats off to those who tried to put out the fire out before the FD arrived.
They were only concerned about protecting their vehicles though. Not really heroic.
@@unropednope4644 True, there was no hope for any occupants but the collateral damage could've been much worse. Shame only one person actually knew how to use the extinguisher.
I am sorry to say they need to have some fire training. You cant point a fire extinguisher at the top of the flame and expect it to be effective.
true first responders. The "professionals are near always second responders or third, or fourth...etc.... " Rarely ever are they first.
@@dave8599 Exactly, the whole “first responder” thing is usually BS and basically an elitist term.
Shoutout to the quick thinking and reaction from everyone on scene to stop the fire.
Nobody walks away from a nose-in like that
Like a lawn dart. Just yikes.
@@brainfat1 yep,an aviation lawn dart.
Nobody walks away from abortion either so what are we getting at
@@graciegjj 😂😂😂😂👍
No shit
That lady running out of the building with the fire extinguisher was amazing!! While the men were just standing around looking, she was on point. I'd love to work with someone like her!
Right because shell shock totally isn't a thing huh? I mean certainly those men didn't respond initially simply because they're men right? It totally, most certainly, couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that people are unique and not everyone is going to be able to assess and respond to a one in a million type situation exactly the same. But yeah, lets bring gender nonsense into a f*cking plane crash and give someone a hero award because of their gender. You're probably the same type of person advocating for participation trophies too I bet. Good grief......
Bc we dont think lol
RIP occupants. BTW gender has nothing to do with anything.
Wow. Another beta had the same comment. She almost let her car become an additional fuel source, while she tried to fight a vehicle fire, with a fire extinguisher. She was brave. Don't get me wrong. But one dude removed his vehicle from the area(removing a potential fuel source), and the other used his extinguisher to block a flame that was running under the lady's car, right before she moved it. So quit being a beta cuck. That lady wouldn't talk shit about those men, so why do you feel you should?
@@kenmtbI don’t see how her comment made it about gender. She’s describing the scene
The people who attempted to put out the fire did a valiant job. The one who did the best was the one with the water hose who seemed to get control of it a few minutes after starting to extinguish it. Most of the people using the dry chemical extinguishers were using them improperly. The one man that was spraying the burning fuel that was draining to the rear of the right wing was doing it correctly and put the fire out. You Don't Spray up in the air but you spray directly at the base of the fire with a dry chemical extinguisher otherwise you do no good at all. I am a Retired Paramedic/Firefighter. The people likely died instantly when the plane hit the ground.
Water on a gasoline fire isn't a great idea. It was lucky for everybody there were plenty of dry extinguishers and at least a few people who knew how to use them.
USAF Crash and Rescue here. That is why we use foam. Water alone spreads it. Foam, smothers it. I'm an old fart now. Our foam was fish based, and stank! I understand they use something else these days. At least fish foam was environmentally safe.
@@charlesfaure1189 Gotta use what you have. Better than nothing at all
@@ConvairDart106 I agree but in this case it helped.
@@madtrucker0983 used improperly is about the same as nothing at all.
Kudos to the Civilians for their attempts to help! 😢
Civilians? Even the pilot was a civilian as this was non-military.
It was the garden hose that finally put a dent in the fire. I wasn't there so I don't know how it was with the heat and fumes. I have to believe that at least one of those people who tried with fire extinguishers knew that it needs to hit the base of the flames, but maybe they just couldn't get close enough and all they could do was try to rain it down on the wreckage from a distance. This shows how plain water has an advantage. You can stand at a distance and arc the stream onto the fire and still get results, while the powdered dry chemical or gas fire extinguishers will just blow away in the wind with no effect on the fire at all.
Spraying water on a liquid fuel fire can go terribly wrong quickly by spreading the fire. Also NEVER use water on a kitchen grease fire and NEVER use water on a magnesium fire.
The woman with the extinguisher was a hero while the 2 men held back until they saw her fighting the fire.
Shame about the outcome but those bystanders did great.
This should be included in one of those "Impossible to happen" type videos. It was a tiny plane but how it managed to crash between two rows of parked cars without even singeing one is totally amazing. If you were one of those car owners blind luck physics was on your side that day, unfortunately if you were in the plane the same was not true. I hope the end came quickly. RIP
The paint on every car within 20 feet is done for
Kinda makes one think doesn't it?
Absolutely. It could have crashed into any number of buildings and a busy street. Truly amazing.
@@lindahandley5267 luck.
@@popsfereal Or Divine Intervention.
Did anyone notice that the two security guards ran out to the plane with fire extinguishers in hand, but turned and walked away like they suddenly decided that they didn't want to get involved.
But the woman ran out and ran right up to the problem and swung into action. even if she wasn't using the extinguisher correctly, she still was cool headed enough to get involved, unlike the
security guards that eventually did start using their extinguishers, i guess not wanting to get shown up by a woman.
At least one guy risked his life trying to save his van 🤬
As a retired firefight/paramedic, KNOW THIS: if you're not using/pointing the extinguisher at the BASE of the flame, you are WASTING the extinguisher, PERIOD. This information can or will save life and property. Just FYI.
First RIP to Jim the pilot! 2nd the guy pushing that cart was so blessed just few minutes later plane would have landed on him. 3rd I know life was already lost but I appreciate that woman coming out with no hesitation to extinguish as opposed to the guy that took his sweet time...
Has a conclusion by the NTSB as to the cause of that tragedy been reached yet?
I watched a preliminary report from an airport spokesman (I believe) and one person, initially, was actually transported to a hospital while the other was declared dead at the scene. Amazing that anyone in the plane would have had any signs of life, after the way it came down.
And the “helpers” only seemed to add insult to injury.
..there’s ZERO, I mean NO chance anybody survives that crash! I hate saying that..but it just is impossible..
@@m118lr I agree. But you can find that report on RUclips. One person died at the scene??? C'mon. Maybe, somehow, they just got bad info.
@@guymerritt4860 One frame shows the aircraft about to impact, the next video frame there is no survivable space in the passenger area, even if the engine went to the side.
@@Markle2k I was simply remarking that a news story, bizarrely, said one person was transported. I completely agree.
So bizarre! I used to work in that complex for over 4 years. Our office was located where the white pickup truck is at the bottom left.
Kudos to the 3/4 people that tried hard to extinguish it. It was obviously too late to save either of them but possibly prevented any further fire from spreading.
Congrats to the woman for her instant effort running to the fire to extinguish the flames, it is unfortunate efforts were not as good as intended as she has not had basic training in fire extinguisher use. The Non Hero of the day award has to go to the Sloth driver of the silver mini van. Every other person made attempts or showed that they wanted to do something, anything mean while he casually strolled to his van, got in and moved it away, then afterwards casually walked back to his work place looking at the wreckage fanning the smoke away with his hand like it was annoying smoke from a camp fire. Can imagine the only time he would move fast for anything is if someone lit a fire under his ass.
If you have ever been close to a car fire you would get all other gas tanks away from one as fast as you can. They are soooo hot, and the gas in the nearby cars would boil and then their vapors would ignite too. Maybe not the nicest visual but a sound decision. Why all the other cars were not getting moved away is the real question I have. If they had lit off the entire block would have been destroyed. Move the other fuel sources and deploy the extinguishers, both should be at the top of your mind in situations like this.
The extinguishers weren't going to put out that fire. He moved his vehicle, which made space and got a potential fuel source away from the fire. Some people aren't going to risk injury or waste energy, on a plainly DOA situation. It's not like they were adequately equipped. The extinguishers were better used to keep the fire from spreading, like when the fire almost reached the black Toyota. The guy did nothing wrong. While it's commendable of the others for trying their hardest, at the end of the day they all accomplished the same. No more property damage and two people still unfortunately died. Effort or not, be damned. That's life...
@@654Crossman The point is not that he moved his vehicle, perfectly good move, It’s that he took his relaxed time getting to and doing it.
To your point If moving as a fuel source was a priority he would have not been on his phone, instead gone directly to his van, then he instead of backing to the right he actually backed left closer to the flame source. His actions look more done to avoid any possible damage to his van not to remove a potential fuel source. It could be argued he was on his phone to 911, that does not stop him from moving quickly and directly to his van if the purpose was to remove a fuel source. I mean yes credit do, he did do something by moving his van, then going back inside.
@@wirefeed3419 the dude wasn't tripping over himself to do it. No. But you don't always think right or act right, in disasters. The main attention was on the plane, till he knew the occupants couldn't possibly be alive. From there, all kinds of things start flying through your mind. I don't understand why you are so adamant, about treating this guy like a selfish asshole. I really don't understand. But hey. It is what it is. You can bitch about a civilian's response, to a plane crash. That's up to you. I've got better things to do. ✌️
Those two guys with the extinguishers were idiots. I love the lady with bigger balls than those two who runs out and starts fighting the fire. This is why you have to keep yourselves sharp. You want to at least be able to add some sliver of value to a situation. These guys weren't sharp.
The lady was downwind of the fire, she was the one with less brain cells.
Those 2 guys just knew that trying to put out a fuel fed aircraft fire with a hand held extinguisher was futile, and put themselves at risk for zero gain. Occupants were obviously deceased. cars could be moved. Mrs. big balls had zero effect on that fire and put herself at risk.. you know, come to think of it, most of my dead friends had big balls too.
Running head first into a fire is a great way to create another casualty, the woman is definitely brave but she's lucky she didn't get overcome by the smoke.
Our 2 heroes keeping a safe distance... and a true heroic lady shows them what to do.. I salute you lady.. we need more of you..
Love how the PD just parks right in the middle of the entrance and blocks the way for the FD. 🤦🏼♂️
Between the police being idiots and the fire department idiots I don't know how either manage to get through their day.
Every frickin time, you have no idea! 🤣. I would never think to park the fire engine right at the front entrance of a barricaded subject, so why do they always block us out on fires? cracks me up……
It’s almost a miracle homie didn’t hit any cars or buildings
What amazed me in this video is how so many civilians from the adjoining buildings ran out with fire extinguishers in hand risking their lives in a attempt to save the lives of the pilot and passenger who were most likely already dead on impact. Video like this restores your faith in humanity. They weren't able to save the lives of the occupants but they did prevent a larger fire and they put out the fire before the local fire department could arrive on scene. They should all receive a special commendation.
The big question now is what caused this accident? What caused the pilot to suddenly lose control of the aircraft in perfect weather? Is this yet another case of SADS? (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome)
He stalled the wing then lost control.
I remember the exact day I pulled a guy from a burning car on HWY 101 North of Petaluma in May 16,1988. How do I know the exact date all these years later? Well I proised my now Ex-wife I would take off work early from my Job in San Francisco remodelling a auto dealer(Ron Greenspan Volkswagon) and was the forman so it wasnt easy to get the time off. None the less as I was going home to Healdsburg I saw a puff of smoke off the right side of the freeway and 2 or 3 cars lined up on the shoulder so I slid in to see if I could help even though I was already late for my sons B-day party. As I came upon the scence I saw a group of 6-7 men standing at the top of an incline that dropped 20 feet into a Vee-ditch and a chain link fence with a car on its top smoking and fire coming from under the front end. I couldnt believe nobody had gone down to help and were just standing at the top watching. The young guy was trapped and couldnt release his seatbelt and was screaming help me so as soon as I heard that I bolted down the hill sliding on my butt(steep hill with iceplant) and felt this tremendous blast of heat! It took away your ability to breathe but hearing the screams from that poor guy and seeing that nobody was going to help I said a quick prayer and fished my pocket knife out and reached through his window and cut his seatbelt in one stroke. I know the Holy Spirit was with me because I couldnt have done that as surely again in a thousand years with that much pressure. That was all he kneeded to roll out into my lap and I dragged him sideways enough to get out of the flames but we were still about ready to combust from heat, SOOO HOTTT. For some reason he couldnt walk so I picked him up and fireman carried him up that hill away from the flames just as it went up in a woosh! I have never been so discusted in my fellow man and yet elated in my Holy God for giving me the strength to save this mans life. as we got to the top the firemen arrived and I told him i had to get home before my wife skinned me. I gave him my number, a hug and prmise to meet his parents and my wife did indeed get pissed, didnt buy my story until his parents came to my house that night in tears offering me a fortune for helping when nobody else would. I said thanks but no thanks as I was led by the Spirit of God and was just happy to know he would survive and prosper. They were amazed and persistant and very wonderful people and I made a friend that day so you never know how you will react in a pinch but it feels good to know you wont fold up There is a saying I love it goes like this: Some people fold when squeezed, some tend to focus which person are you?
What makes you think a magical entity from another dimension was involved? You do realise that the body and brain releases adrenaline and endorphins when in a high stress, life threatening state right? Nothing supernatural shown or proven to be involved whatsoever.
@@TheTruthKiwi Boy I sure feel better now that you cleared that up for me!
@@davidrobbins3018 Good. :)
Man, I got no words. That's crazy...
Worst use of extinguishers i've ever seen :[
I'm sure getting close enough was not an option, that's a fire.
They're very hot when it's aviation fuel and synthetics burning together.
At least they're trying.
@@AquarianNomadic I get that, but they didn't even start till the brave woman started (correctly). And after they saw the woman doing it the dudes used the extinguishers like a water hose.
@@AquarianNomadic Your supposed to aim at the base of the flame, hitting the top will do nothing.
@@tjwoosta I know this.
They can't even figure out what just happened or even see what the bottom is.
Give them a break.
You must be captain fire extinguisher lol
@@ddpxl That was her new car parked next to the fireball...
i didn't know there were so many fire extinguisher experts in the world
Fire extinguisher training is a MUST. "Let's spray the top of the flame and work our way down". lol
I love that the man was hesitant to attack the flames but as soon as the female comes in frame she immediately starts working the fire!
I was very impressed at the lady who brought the fire extinguisher out whether it works or not on diesel fuel - and she was the first one to pull the pin and try and put the fire out while the other two guys are kind of like waiting around like it’s too late they didn’t even try until the lady did it first.
May the pilot and the passenger RIP.
So sad.
Some of the comments are coming from people who obviously know more than the average American does regarding this kind of situation don’t go getting all critical on where and how and what and why to try and help get the flames out I’m sure this lady and those two men had no clue as to what to do at least the lady had the balls to at least do something right or wrong she did something so let’s not be so critical on the average citizen when everyone else seems to be the experts.
Why are you trying to turn this into yet another GiRl PoWeR thing? Also, where did you get "diesel" from? Does this particular aircraft really run on diesel fuel? Also, fire extinguishers show pictorially that you need to aim them at the base of the flame. You don't even have to read instructions. You just need to have had enough curiosity ahead of time to have glanced at one in order to know this.
The perfect example of people who have ZERO idea on what to do with a fire extinguisher.
Those people where better then the fire department! That fire could of been a lot worse if it wasn’t for those brave people!
It's amazing how many people dont know how to use a fire extinguisher.
I was thinking the same thing. Spraying the flames in the air probably doesn't work very well....as demonstrated here for example.
Incredible that he missed everything. RIP
Was the cause ever determined? What was the pop? I’m starting to think flight recorders should be standard in all aircraft. RIP to those who weee lost.
Those people did an amazing job. Rest In Peace to that didn’t survive. My deepest condolences to their families.🙏
No, SHE did an amazing job 👍
If something had minorly exploded, like any pressurized can, and blown flaming liquid all over those people, the fight to protect parked cars wouldn’t have looked heroic. It’s not smart to fight fires without the right equipment, especially when there’s nobody to save.
My god. That man pushing the little cart would have been killed had he waited 30 more seconds to make his move.
So tragic! Condolences to the families. Too many general aviation stall/spins accidents. Most pilots would benefit from some glider training
that office lady had more guts than the rent a cop trying to save his extinguisher for an emergency!
Jim Was a Great Guy His motto was You Only Live Once He did my roof in Brentwood Ca. Really would like to know what Caused this terrible accident. RIP Jim
As tragic as this was, it could've been much worse. I don't know what the area is like where he crashed, but he died a hero for being able to avoid both of the buildings which undoubtedly saved many lives.
@@birdflipper No, the aircraft was in a spin. There was zero control.
He stalled the plane. That’s how it happened.
That's so crazy how it came straight down nose 1st between both rows of cars and didn't touch nothing.
Seems like they had been free falling, from very high up. Wonder if exhaust fumes could have found it's way in?
Jesus they really lawn darted that plane into that parking lot 😳
Jesus literally DID do that to spare many other lives from potential destruction.
Quite miraculous how it hit the sweet spot damaging nothing (that video showed) substantive on the ground.
If it had wiped out a building or car full of pax, whole magnitude worse !
RIP to the 2 lost, in Jesus name !
@@psalm2forliberty577 More like chances.... most of times planes hit people, buildings, cars... so no. Nothing miraculous here. Divine action would be the plane recovering from stall and safely gliding back to airport.
where was your strong invisible god?Where is his power and his love for his slaves and sheeps? F@ck your god
No one could have survived that crash
I'm puzzled at the two guys with the extinguishers! They came out first and was walking away from the fire until the woman started using her extinguisher. Did anyone else notice that?
Those civilians put out the fire faster than most fire departments could. Props to them.
........ what? I don't think so
No one knew how / where to use fire extinguishers on gas fire but it took courage to even approach the wreckage.
My heart sank when saw man walking and bless the people for helping
It amazes me how no one knows how to properly use a fire extinguisher. You need to spray the base and source of the fire, not spray the middle and tops of the flames! 🤦
Even have pictures on the side of the extinguisher LOL
The fact that dude rolling whatever it was passed just before it crashed is insane… he was a few seconds away from being at the wrong place at the wrong time 👀
Damn poor fire extinguisher technique.
it's not like everyone in the world is an expert at using a tool rarely needed
Watching the crash in slow motion (.25x) is insane.
There's just no way in hell you could get me to ride in a tiny single-engine aircraft. That one engine is your lifeline. When it goes, you go. Engine failure may not even be why this happened, but it doesn't change my opinion about it.
That plane had been falling for a while. They had to have lost consciousness. Vaping will do strange things in the air, like alcohol.
Needed to o spray fire extinguishers at the base of fire from the windward side underneath the tail and let it get drawn into the fire with the oxygen feeding it. Apply dry chemical to fuel spreading across the ground before it ignites.
The two “security” guys using the extinguishers are idiots and did. Nothing to help the matter. Spraying it like air fresheners instead of at the damn base of the fire. Smh 🤦♀️ wow
I’m impressed by the woman who started fighting the fire when the two guys initially walked away.
the guy didn't walk away, he slowed downed from the wind blowing heat from the flames , stop shaming people.
@@tomservo5007 Look at the smoke. There was no wind blowing towards the men. It was blowing towards the woman. I’m impressed by the woman’s bravery and didn’t shame anyone. Unless you are one of the guys at the scene and feel guilty.
@@billyjack3361 I can tell you never stood next to fuel burning from something that big
@@tomservo5007 There were others standing closer soon after and the woman blew past them and got even closer to use the extinguisher. The two dopes standing there with their mouths hanging open were not doing anything from the heat.
@@Mandy7D7 you assume these people knew where to get fire extinguishers, there's not much to do when the head wont let you get closer
I think one major thing I’ve learned in life is never use water on fuel fires…..makes it worse
I am a long retired NTSB crash investigator. I have slowed this film down to 100 frames per second and captured everything from the initial impact which was incredibly straight nose in, very difficult to find a plane Making contact with terrain at that angle but anything is possible. both of the pilots were thrown free of the plane still strapped into their seats looking at the plane at 12 o'clock looking straight at the plane the pilot in command landed approximately 11 o'clock where you see a white object. That is his seat I was also able to differentiate the gentleman's head. The copilot or second in command was also still attached to his seat and that was approximately 330 to the right of the wing. there was a large white colored metal object that flew into the bed of the pick up. In the business of investigating hi velocity air crash you are liable to find anything anywhere! it's all physics on steroids. I have heard of a body missing from the passenger count on a twin engine plane and sometime later finding it on the roof of a house or in a tree. Video like this is critical to investigators seeking the truth because once the fire department arrives at a crash like this ....., it's all over! Fire has consumed everything it can. I applaud the office workers and bystanders who jumped right into action with their ABC fire extinguishers 🧯 while the two security guards stood around picking their asses! Especially the one lady who started from the aft and was clearly having breathing distress , but fighting the hell out of that fire with her fire extinguisher! Video cameras are something we didn't have in the old days, now there is no denying when you have a video of the event in question. There will be many other videos of this tragic accident taken from different locations and interviews with pilots that might have seen the trouble these aviators got into and the path the aircraft took before it crashed. The NTSB will have certified pilots of this particular model on the investigating team as well as a host of other professionals familiar with it handling characteristics and also it's logbooks from the day it was delivered, in some instances I have heard of the mechanics them self being audited. As far as the question of the gentleman already being deceased before the plane hit the ground let me just talk from personal experience. In 1989 I went up with a friend to pick up an aircraft he purchased in Denver, and fly it back to Van Nuys California, not as a pilot but just to get out of the house more or less. About 30 minutes outside of Denver we lost both engines, The only logical reason we could think of was the fuel supply was blocked because we all checked the fuel level by checking the gauge inside the tank just like we do when we fly, you-never believe gages on an aircraft if you can do a visual. The guide ratio on this particular aircraft was like that of a brick. doing everything in the cockpit to get that fuel flowing again the pilot called in a mayday and approximate location where we expected to go in so they could send the equipment. My mind went numb when I say numb I mean gray numb! When I've heard that expression used in the past I've never connected but now I was losing my ability to reason and seem to zone out! no fear no panic no
emotion I guess that is such an overload of adrenaline being dumped into your system. I went to the back of the plane and buckled down as tight as I could. the pilot yelled something and I presumed that he meant
Impact. That's it! I came too in the hospital looking like Louis Armstrong (and I'm not black! ) No memory of the impact or the rescue or the surgery except when I gained further conscience and this tsunami pain introduced itself to me. I will not try to convince you of anything I just do believe you get to that point when you know it's all over that your body shoots a chemical through you that prevents a freak out and deliver you to a peaceful place of resolution. I am almost blind now but I do well with magnifying glasses so I am talking into a voice transcriber, please excuse the typos and sloppiness sometimes the computer doesn't understand what I'm trying to say but I hope you understand. One reason that there will be an incredibly detailed investigation covering ......everything! is the amount of paper generated from law firms! Suing the manufacturer regardless of how old the plane was ,The flight school, the taxi that brought the pilot to the airport, The shoeshine boy , the waitress who poured his coffee, godspeed to all involved I have been through this so many times and it never gets easy. It seems like it's always outstanding families that are touched by these aircraft accidents! For every accident , there is an investigation that is designed to prevent yet another accident! and Michael we are the most ridiculous double vitality afternoon delight investigated where two neighbors who took there Baron on a golfing holiday to Las Vegas. At the airport they got into a verbal over who would fly the second leg to get home. The ramp agent at the FBO went inside to call the Las Vegas metro police but by the time the police arrived the plane was gone. Audio tapes from the cockpit and ATC showed both pilots were drunk and fighting for controls. Wreckage was found at the base of the Grand Canyon.
Unfortunately, sir, the NTSB isn't the same today as during your tenure. It's just like any other government agency these days. Narcissists for leaders, who promote yes men or based on woke quotas for races, or sexual preferences, and rarely on background and training. Often there are 2 investigators sent to run this investigation, and many times neither is even a pilot. As a matter of fact, they tried to push that policy for a while (to have other professions investigate unfamiliar professions, as someone thought that would be a good idea), and you can check Dan gryders channel on RUclips here and hear him vent about the overwhelming amount of aviation mishaps that the NTSB fails to produce any safety information or even causes...
When the government started in the business of race, or gender, or religious hiring requirements, it set this country back 100's of years. Government contracts are now awarded to a business not based on how they meet the requirements for a project, but by emphasizing the "importance" of the race and gender of the companies owner. Ever wonder why a bridge, road, or other routine infrastructure replacement job costs 10's of millions of dollars more than it would if it were a private business accepting bids for projects? It's because we think there's an armada of highly skilled and well trained professionals working for our government agencies, but that is absolutely not the case. Not at the leadership levels, at least. Which is where it matters most.
The CIA, NSA, and all of military intelligence didn't realize that the instant we were thinking g of leaving Afghanistan that our puppet leader and people we "trained" would hive up like pussies and take any money they could and run? The other 3 letter agency that is currently scarier than all others, sat quiet watching nearly 200 days of riots occur in 2020 while allowing a former cabinet member from the previous administration, who they feigned investigating in any actual sense of the manner, whom worked in the executive branch, get away with the use of a personal email server to transmit classified material for years. Thats like just casually sending classified information via TV commercials, as any intelligence agency in the world xan and would intercept them, as proven via the podesta email hack... Then when they subpoena this person and their staff for this server, UMA Abedin, wife of democratic pervert anthony weiner, knowingly and intentionally uses a 3rd party software to permanently destroy all the information ever kept on those servers before the agents could acquire said email servers... to put that in perspective, over the last 40 years, anykne convicted of transmitting, selling, stealing or misappropriating classified material, whether or not it was delivered to an adversary, has received an average of 36 years in federal prison. Many received life sentences. If I were to do that with one piece of material that was other than unclassified, at a minimum my security clearance would be gone and I'd be on a course for dismissal. More than once? That's treasonous. With or without intent, as Jim comey claimed was his basis for not charging that dog faced criminal cunt.
The once prominent institutions you, and I, were so fond of, are infested with generations of useless, corrupt people with no moral compass, nor dedication to this country. Ntsb included
@@kilobravo2373 you are 110% correct. Unfortunately. A complete waste , every single government agency is a complete waste anymore. Sad but true. Totally incompetent. Every single last one
Say whatever you want, but it's absolutely a fuccin miracle that aircraft didn't hit anything but concrete. It's dirty blind luck, because obviously the plane stalled and the flight control surfaces had zero authority. It just landed at the perfect pitch to accordion itself into a tiny, neat little footprint. Obviously unsurvivable for those onboard, but a GA plane full of aviation fuel miraculously crashed in a narrow alley parking lot without destroying any parked vehicles. A tempest in a teapot. Unfreakingbelievable, the physics of it all.
Everyone is saying to spray at the base of the flames. Well that might be true, perhaps it may have been too hot to get close enough to the fire to spray the base. So In place of doing nothing, perhaps they just gave it their best effort.
Is their a transcript of this anywhere?
I literally thought it was a car crash and the car belonging to Ryan Navion fell out of the sky or something. Rip.
Ya, I was pretty confused myself when that car came out of the sky. Took me a minute lol
Bruh jus imagine you minding yo business and a random plane falls outa the sky
Quite miraculous crash - how it hit the sweet spot damaging nothing (that video showed) substantive on the ground.
If it had wiped out a building or car full of pax, whole magnitude worse !
RIP to the 2 lost, in Jesus name !
And the guy making the delivery only seconds before LOL
What is "pax"?
@@stephenconnors2111 pax = passengers
After that hellacious impact and fire, what’s left to autopsy? “Multiple blunt traumatic injuries.” No kidding.
That is totally unreal it just seemed to drop out the sky I don't think anyone would ever of expected something like that to happen shows just how fragile life is could have killed many in the car park and I guess the people on board hardly had time to realise what was about to happe, this thing called life is certainly a strange thing ❤️💯💔
Cringe
@@Tetragramix cringe??
The NTSB lady said it was in a nose low attitude, more like a straight down attitude.
Impressed with how many fire extinguishes were immediately available. Brave people getting close to it too. That is hot and will melt and burn your hair and skin just by getting close to it.
Though, one thing I always remember being thought in school (probably 10 years old), you need to aim at the base of the fire and not at the top of the flames.
Most likely both died on impact.
Code required extinguishers in all those suites. Most likely, several to a unit.
is "fatally injured" same as dead
If he were aiming for the center-line, he nailed it! Watching at quarter speed, you can see them looking straight at the pavement as they impact. Zero horizontal component guaranteed death.
Love how the one dude just walks casually with the extinguisher no sense or urgency whatsoever lol
Horrible. They were vertical.
What a terrible day for the pilot and his family, I hope they can find peace. Amazing how it landed right in the middle of the empty area in a small busy parking lot...right where someone stood 10 seconds earlier. This could have been worse.