Why We Need A HUNG PARLIAMENT
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2023
- Above all else, we need to get the Tories out - but how do we have the best chance of reversing awful Tory laws, getting electoral reform, and stopping Starmer's authoritarian impulses? This is the solution - and here's my answer to the critics, too.
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Thanks mate love your work, keep it up
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I wish you’d had a bash at political office. Your keen insight matched with your ability to communicate your ideas and inject passion into the issue would’ve made you a very persuasive candidate. I think I remember you saying you’re gay in one video. That must add something unique to your experience/perspective on relevant issues too. There are many that would support you, trust me!
You can't openly call your biggest opposition, the Conservative Party, a cancer and should be wiped from British politics. Then complain about people who want to kick you at of the Labour Party. You are dehumanising your political opponents and then standing on a soap box preaching the need pluralism and tolerance. Pick a side.
Here in the Netherlands 🇳🇱, where we have proportional representation, we always have a hung Parliament. Always. Never had one that wasn't.
In the UK, a hung Parliament could be the solution, not a problem.
If the LibDems, the Greens, SNP, all make their cooperation with a Labour government contingent on introducing proportional representation, they would be forced to accept it. The Labour membership wants it, it's just the leadership that's failing. They need to be forced.
Try and force PR on Starmer, he might just make a pact with the Tories! Joking of course - or am I???😱😱😱
@@razorednight I really hope he doesn't do that. I think it's 80% of the Labour membership that favours PR. If he does that, the Labour Party deserves to disintegrate, which is exactly why they're so scared of PR.
I said this the day after the elections. The best way forward is PR and we need to force the issue because the Labour Party won’t do it otherwise. I am glad others are thinking along the same lines.
@@razorednightNo, you're not! I just asked that. 👍
@@jujutrini8412💯👍
I agree. A hung parliament is needed to reform a badly broken, unrepresentative, political system that has failed to deliver growth.
We don't really need growth, we need redistribution and a lasting change to how the wealth continues to be distributed.
Currently and for a long while, it's gone to the top and most of it's through extremely wasteful practices, with "consumerism" being just one guilty party.
Plenty of growth if your rich, but nothing for the general public
@@ChrispyNut it will trickle down anytime soon now 😉
@@David-bi6lf There's insufficient bandwidth available for the profits to trickle down, it's all being consumed by the losses.
@@ChrispyNut it sarcasm, I'm mocking trickle down economics. It's proven to be garbage.
I would appreciate a hung parliament too. It would be great if the Greens and Corbyn held the balance of a majority. And used it to bring in real change.
Wow, that's two possible seats out of over 650. That's really going to make a difference...
@@paultaylor7082 it will if labour are just two short of a majority.
@@paultaylor7082 the DUP had a big influence in 2017. That's how it works! If a party needs a couple of MPs to make up the numbers, then those MPs home all the cards and can demand what they want.
Greens will get 1
@@paultaylor7082 It could happen under PR , but we have to win under FPTP first so I agree with your comment .
I stand by that we missed our big chance with Jeremy Corbyn .. still makes me sad
he was unelectable, and fighting last decades class war, but starmer is not the answer,
I agree, can't understand why he gets so much flak, even now. A huge missed opportunity. As for Starmer supporters having a go at you, Owen, they most likely worked against Corbyn. They didn't support the leader then, so why should we now?
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@@robertallen591"Last decade's class war"?? 🙄🙄 Are you denying that the 1% are at war with the rest of us??
Me too
I will be passionately campaigning for a hung parliament. The Tories are beyond a disaster, but Starmer is an authoritarian robot who, like Johnson, cannot grasp what is real or false but with the charisma of soggy cardboard. A chunky majority for Starmer would cement the dystopian nightmare we've been sliding into.
Look at the policies and understand what is realistic and what the priorities of the public
I admire your sentiment, but you cannot campaign for a hung parliament. How can you do it? The only way you can do it is by going around all the constituencies in all the country telling different people in different constituencies who to vote for.
@@617collins You can't campaign for a hung parliament but you can campaign in marginals against Labour.
Ridiculous! It’s not possible to “campaign for a hung parliament!” What you going to do? Ask people to support a party a little bit(!). They have an X. They can only put it against one candidate in our current system!
Hung Parliaments are relatively rare events. They certainly can’t be proactively worked towards.
@@greatescapegames But if you were relatively successful, that will make a Tory victory likely!
Whatever you do, a hung parliament is less likely than a Lab or Tory majority.
PR has to be forced on Starmer. PR will probably keep the Tories out for decades. Starmer's ego is the other danger, he wants power just for himself
I sympathise, but Starmer will never introduce PR. The electoral strategy since 'New' Labour was revealed by Mandelson when he said that voters "had nowhere else to go". This meant that they were happy to see millions of voters in Labour safe seats become disillusioned and give up voting, as under first past the post a vote for anyone else would be a wasted vote. It came to pass too, as millions did stop voting under Blair and then Brown, but Labour were left free to chase Tory votes and still took the seats. Starmer would rather lose the election rather than concede and introduce PR, the faction he belongs to did their best to lose two elections under a left wing leader, an 860 page report backs this assertion up. I'm sorry to be negative but I don't know what to suggest, as voting seems to be pointless. Perhaps get behind campaigns supporting PR, and just abandon the Labour party altogether.
So do the Tories...that is their problem....I'll stick with Labour.
I ama Labour supporter and supported Starmer ( initially ) , but I agree if Labour win a majority and especially a large majority then we are back in 1997 territory when Labour had no reason to want to change a voting system that had elected it with less than 50% of the vote but delivered a large majority of MPs .But , 1997 wont happen again , we had about 50 MPs in Scotland and while I think Labour will win more MPs there , it wont be anywhere near what we had before . Labour need to look long term . PR is essential as it is the right thing morally to do ( and yes it might elect some extremist MPs on the far left and far right - personally I dont have a problem with far left , but we already have far right MPs in what the modern Tory party has become ) . I agree with Owen and much as though I would like a majority Labour Gvt , without a hung parliament we can forget about PR .FPTP only now benefits the Tories and SNP .
you cant force it on him, safe seat MPs will veto any vote on it even if you have a 3 line whip, hence better to vote third party.
PR is NOT about keeping a party out of power it's about far fairer representation. Do you honestly think the Tories who receive a similar vote share to Labour will just disappear?
I totally agree with Owen . This would force the Progressive Parties to talk to each other .
That rules out the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dem’s then 🤣
Sorry, who are the progressive parties again?
The word progressive where politics are concerned is a oxymoron in as much as those politicians who call themselves progressives are anything but.
So u think Green and Plaid can form a gov? Are u on crack? Its either Tories or Labour in power in our system, choose a side and vote tactically, all else is folly.
I get the impression that progressives have trouble collaborating with other progressives. Pragmatism isn't their thing.
A hung parliament is the only way we will get proportional representation in this country.
Yes.Until we actually get PR.
@@shaunm3206 😧 What?
@@ppo2424 Only if the same number of voters voted exactly as they did. With PR you'll have the ones who don't bother voting (because they're in a 'safe seat') come out to vote for the smaller parties; the UKIP vote would surely have been so diluted as not to be worth it.
While it's true you do not need a hung parliament to get PR, unfortunately it maybe the only way we ever get it. Tony Blair floated the idea of PR before he came to power, but after he won the election, he liked the power 1st past the post gave him.
@@ppo2424 Well that would be true democracy wouldn't it? If a certain percentage of the country is voting
for UKIP, then obviously yes they should have representation.
If the Labour party cannot look like having a majority by now my money is def on a hung parliament
Electoral Calculus MRP polling reckons Labour are on for a landslide at the moment. So take that as you will
I honestly find it hilarious that Starmer has an ‘online army’. He’s the most boring man alive. Great vid Owen
Yes, but you see, - attacking someone's personality style is really not logical. You have made a logical fallacy - over-generalisation. 🤦♂Prove that he is the most boring man alive...
@@tonyburton419 you must be great fun at parties Tony
@@calebbell4419 You make another overgeneralization based on extremely thin observational evidence🤦♂️
Starmer is indeed rather short on charisma but it doesn't compare too badly against Sunak whose only interesting feature is how well he manages to impersonate an android.
@@tonyburton419 I think you just proved you are😏
I've been saying this for a while now. It's the best the Left can hope for, that or possibly a small majority with the SCG holding the balance of power. However, we definitely don't need a referendum on PR, it should be part of any coalition agreement between Labour and another party.
I want a hung parliament as well. The reason I want a hung parliament is, I don't want the Torys in and I don't want this new red tory party in. I think we need (and I know people will disagree with me) a new party. I bet Keir Hardy is squirming in his grave right now listening to this party he created.
Not sure about a new Party , just Labour not moving any further to the right . Once we have PR ( if it happens ) we can see the main two parties split , but under FPTP it needs to remain a broad church ( Keir Starmer take note ) .
During my short lifetime (74 years) I have lived through four sets of Parliaments with big majorities, each one has swung from one extreme to the other whilst wasting vast amounts of Tax money . Meanwhile they have ignored the middle ground.
I have not been able to vote for my first choice in 45 years, so PR is for me. A hung Parliament is most likely to work for me.
I'm hoping to be part of that hung parliament.
you get my vote 😂
Anyone that can actually run the country properly - and not impose stupid laws prohibiting things from going ahead if they cause no threat, stopping development of stuff. Etc would easily and quite simply get my vote
All the main parties are neoconservatives, so a hung parliament will just be a neoconservative parliament.
As an SNP supporter, I would like to officially welcome you to our world. Seriously, I agree that a hung parliament would be much healthier than the ping pong that is set to play out in a general election. I happen to believe that the (admittedly small) red and blue Tory presence is a necessary counterweight that speaks truth to power. The notion of a labour landslide is not something I find palatable within the UK, and I suspect that such an outcome would strengthen independence calls.
I'd like a hung parliament, but not put to a referendum. We don't do referendums well . Whoever props up Labour must be a condition of bringing in PR .
I agree!! 🙂💯👍
As Starmer has the charisma of a cricket bat, and the policies of the BNP, you may well get your wish, Owen. Certainly, the LibDems will win in my constituency, and will generally come back stronger across the home counties, while the Greens will form the other side of a pincer movement, excising the cancer of conservatism, for at least two terms. Bring it, as they say, on.
Hope so!! 🙂👍
Great video Owen. I expect ID cards will be bank on the books when Starmer gets into office......sigh
Why are the hard left and the hard right so against ID cards?
@@danquixote6072 😠 Shamina Begum. Her British passport has been confiscated. She is now stateless. You may know that your passport is one of a set of documents needed for you to vote? No document? No vote! No ID card? No access to official resources, including financial support and health. And you will have to carry it with you at all times, or face arrest and more. Fantasy? Certainly not! Look around the world to see how dictatorial governments operate 😡!
I would like to think that we would have more influence over a Labour govt than a Tory govt but having seen how Kieth has behaved since he was DPP, I think he would be no different than a Tory PM
So long as it doesn't hang us out to dry. The problem at root is the establishment created in the aftermath of the C17th civil wars and confirmed after 1688. It was a settlement created in the interest of the small minority of the asset-rich, not the mass of people who had to earn their living. There's a reason why everyone in the UK dreams of not having to work. It's the example set by the people at the top.
Totally agree, we need PR, and an end to the corrupt duopoly once and for all.
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Don't you mean a hanged parliament?
I think that spelling gets you put on a list somewhere....
Well I'm probably going to vote Green this time so hopefully I help towards the hung parliament as I agree I think it'll be better for the country than a majority Labour gov
Unless you're in Brighton Pavilion, it's a wasted vote.
@@johnburrows3385 12 months is a long time in politics. You never know what will happen.
@AK-np4rp I'm in Wimbledon, the Tory got in last time by 600 from the Lib Dems . I'm of course voting tactically.
@@johnburrows3385 Ok, but that doesn't apply everywhere.
Yeah the torys need to go worst government ever the last 3 PM a bloody mess
I am in broad agreement with Owen on this wish. The first thing on the agenda of a Labour government dependent upon support from other opposition parties is Electoral Reform. The sooner the dreadful FPTP system is replaced with something actually fit for purpose, the better. My favoured option would be PR with the Single Transferable Vote. I fear that without pressure from other opposition parties, Starmer will not implement electoral reform any more than did Tony Blair.
Those in universal credit don nt trust anyone in authority, particular more then Blair politically ....namely Starmmer.
Workers strength lays with trade unions not with politicians.
LET'S CONCENTRATE ON ACTION NOW
People were better off under Blair.
Dunno where the rubbish started with that. It is just nonsense.
For most of my life I've watched the British media declaring that a hung parliament would be a disaster. No reason given, and everyone just nodded sagely.
This couldn't be more wrong. With large majorities extremism is encouraged as can be seen right now.
It's time for PR and coalition governments
Indeed, the PR model tends to force cooperation and is a moderating force .
This is why the right wing press, the Tory and Labour parties have always campaigned against electoral reform.
The SNP would definitely add the progressive political voice and policy in that hung parliament that labour sadly lack now
What we got to do . Is take back ownership of our public services including our engery supply. We have become a dependent country on other. And have lost independence!! The only thing our country has to rent out is our work force .
Well said 👏👏
I really enjoyed your article you wrote on this topic a few days ago. Nice one, mate
Time for you to stand as an MP Owen
I always think that these ex labour mps, the worst being Blair, who has various institutes , taking money from dodgy regimes etc and people like kelly who go into private companies have never really been labour at all.
I agree 100% with your reasoning Mr. Jones - but it need not just be PR on the table. The price of LibDem (& other parties?) cooperation with Labour must be a Citizens' Convention, that is a UK-wide Constitutional Convention based on a Citizens' Assembly platform, Labour being obliged to sign up (alongside other participating political parties) in ADVANCE & UNEQUIVOCALLY to implement ALL of its proposals.
This form of citizen focused mechanism can provide the catalyst for wholesale transformation of the UK's entire governance framework, including PR, replacing the House of Lords with a Senate representing the UK's constituent Nations & Regions and a future Federal UK state apparatus replete with codified constitution the vast majority of its citizens can engage with?
This constitutional transformation seems impossible right now but all of the above becomes a tangible possibility if the forthcoming UK General Election delivers a sympathetic Parliamentary complexion - something akin to:
• Labour - 300 seats
• Conservatives - 250 seats
• SNP - 50 seats
• LibDems - 27 seats
• Plaid Cymru - 4 seats
• Greens - 1 seat
• Northern Ireland Parties - 18 seats
would be ideal?
I just read your article in the Guardian and I wholeheartedly agree. A minority Labour government with PR as a precondition of support from Greens, Lib Dems and SNP is probably the best way to reform this broken first past the post electoral system.
I hope you guys don't mind a non-british view on this (greetings from Germany) but it seems like Starmer has an open bet that he's going to be the next PM, solely on the fact that the conservatives are more and more disliked right now. Which might explain why he sounds more and more like a Tory himself and MIGHT think he could get away with a lot of right leaning policies...
I think it's down to flawed analysis of Corbyns election failures. The top nobs in Labour think it was down to Labour being too left wing so getting rid of Corbyn and anything remotely left wing has been their aim
You don't say.. 😏😏
@@oneoflokis your sarcasm game is weak.... but I appreciate the effort 🙃
Agree 100%
Rather than a hung Parliament, Starmer should just clear his desk and go. 3/4 of the Labour Party support PR. I would vote Labour to remove the dysfunctional pricks that have wrecked our country over the past 13 years but we need change and Starmer won’t change anything.
I reckon you"re right Owen?
That's why the SNP need to get at least 50 seats @ a GE?
That is the Only way to Keep Labour Honest to the Promises Starmer made in 2019 and You know they Will!!
A happy sun energized ☺️ world 🌍 for everyone would be great !!!!! Love Colin
Spot on Owen. They’re not as bad as the tories but Labour stopped being socialist when public school Blair became PM 14:22
Wrong.
Absolutely agree with everything you said!
I live in Scotland. I would love a fairer system that a hung parliament would give us. I would also like to be not part of the Union, but PR might not have much impact on the goal, we shall see.
Thank you for carrying on even though there seems to be hatred thrown your way at every opportunity.
It's my only hope for the next election. My dream for decades has been electoral reform. Proportional representation would, I believe, mean that real wide-ranging discussion on issues that matter would have to take place. Adversarial politics would hopefully fade into the oblivion it deserves. I wish it would take with it adversarial behaviour in general!
Starmer called BLM a 'moment'.
Sad truth is no matter who wins; Labour or Tory the NHS is gone. That alone should make the public go nuts
Absolutely spot on ! Go Owen!
Fingers crossed for a hung parliament. 🤞
I'm glad now and more people are coming round to a going parliament idea, it's really been snowballibg lately. I've been practicing it for a couple of years now. It really is the only way.
Campaigning for a hung parliament is EASY. Don't know why some people have a problem with this idea! You just let everyone know that they should be cutting for whichever small party or independent in their area has the best chance of causing an upset, or even winning. Don't vote Tory certainly, but also don't vote Labour. Just go for the whichever other candidate you've got it's better than "just voting to keep the other guys out". At least this way it's a positive vote for something. And yes, you may have to hold your nose still, but it will be for ONE election, with the goal that after that one single election, you will then be voting in every election after that, under PR rules and can truly vote for who you want to vote for, and your vote WILL count. For every election after that. And there will never be another Tory government every again either under PR rules (that's 99.9% a certainty).
I actually agree. Being a big fan of PR I consider coalition to be the future. Much more Democratic.
The problem up here in Canada is we often have hung Parliaments but 9 times out of 10 it's a Liberal government being propped up by progressives. Which leads to bad policy and over-spending. Or a Conservative government that passes nothing because it won't compromise and doesn't want to be seen as "woke" by compromising. So that's not a solution. What we need like the UK does is electoral reform. First Past the Post (FPTP) is the worst system imaginable. It creates false political majorities and I think the 21st century is starting to catch up. It's eroding our democracy.
I think what we really need is hangings in Parliament !!
Boris Johnson first in line .....for treason and just being plain annoying and deceitful.
Bring back defenstrations. Literally.
@@akym82810 I just had to check what the meaning of that was, but that would be funny....and a nice change from Bojo climbing out bedroom windows to avoid husbands !!
I'll be voting lib dem for the first time in my life. Why? I can't vote for labour. I'm in a staunch tory strong hold - Daventry and hopefully they get or through.
My only concern is that the lib dens would rather go back into coalition with the tories than labour
They would most likely do this again .Remember their current titled leader was a minister in the Tory cabinet.
I haven't forgot , but seems many have.
OK then: a slim Labour majority!! 🙂🙂
Sometimes I forget how insightful you are. This absolutely reminded me. I'm glad you are. Is that bad English? I'm Scottish.
A hung parliament.... Cant we just hang parliament, theres plenty of lamposts in London?
In Australia we have effectively a permanently 'hung' parliament. The Labor government elected last year has a majority in the House of Representatives but in the Senate a form of PR gives smaller parties a better chance of representation resulting in a permanent minority for each of the main parties and a strong "crossbench" bargaining position. Currently the Greens have 11 Senators and with one or two other friendly Senators they can give Labor a majority in a Senate vote. But these crossbench Senators can drive a hard bargain, pressing Labor to implement more Labor-like policies.
Fantastic video
I definitely hope for a hung parliament for the same reasons.
Thanks 👍
I honestly read this as we need a hug, parliament. I added the coma to force it to make more sense , but I'm a little bit gutted I was wrong. Not sure what it would've been about tbh.
I havent watched it yet,so I havent got anything else to say.....❤
Sir K in Humza's pocket.
Love it.
WM coalition... imagine... lib dems, greens and snp making up a coalition! The extinction of the two party joke !
We need proportional representation.
If anyone has the skills to achieve a hung parliament, it's Keir Starmer..
Completely agree, we need representation of different ideas and views to bring more common sense to the table. Greens should be part of any coalition.
I would have voted Labour next time but I'm put off by Starmer's antics. I'll probably vote Plaid Cymru this time.
Totes agree.....worst thing is any huge majority!!!!!
It's insane that ANY party can have a huge majority of seats in parliament yet get just over a third of the votes
I've been saying string em up for years :p
Pundits have always overstated the chances of a hung Parliament.
Hung Parliaments are relatively rare. It’s always more likely that one party will get a majority.
FYI. I live in France and I don't have the vote here!
But I don't have the vote in the UK either, having been out of the country for over 15 years.
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Would be interesting to see how local authorities work now with Labour gains, but needing to rely on support from local Green/LibDem and leftish independents after the tory rout. And how this might apply to Parliament. SteveH
Spot on.
Not much discussion to be had from my comment. I entirely agree with you. Getting the Tories out is definitely priority number 1, but a massive Starmer majority would only advance his authoritarian direction. Hat's off to Islington North, 98% in favour of keeping Corbyn as their MP.
I have been pushing the possibility of hung parliament and also hoping for it as a way of getting PR.
Excellent and insightful observations Owen. What’s the point in Labour gaining power if they end up being Tory light and not using their power to repair and transform society; serving only to be brief book ends between long running and damaging Conservative governments
Spot on. We need a coalition of progressive centre left and left parties.
In the recent local elections - for the first time ever - I didn't vote. My choices were between two tories and a right wing independent. I'm hoping my options are a bit more progressive in the General. 😵💫
these people would be king of ashes if thats what it takes
I’m never voting labour again, I literally find starmer and his cheerleaders more objectionable than the tories. At least the tories believe in something, completely wrong though it is. The labour right don’t believe in anything, just power
A "hung parliament" is the norm here in Norway at least, I can't remember the last time one party had overall majority in our parliament, I'm not sure it has ever even happened. That's how you get functional democracy. A government that has no need to deal, compromise, cooperate with other sections of the political landscape is more like some weird kind of elective tyranny than a democracy.
Keep on keeping on comrades
This is the video that will save the TORIES
nice one OJ
We already had one !! That didn't work either!!
A Tory one! With the Ulster Unionists! 😏
Massive respect for you outlining the truth, hope more people get you as I have for many years now! p.s I am an oldie.
A hung parliament????? What about the MPs then?
My preference for parliament would be cross treed and blood eagled.
I see the StarmerBots are reacting exactly as expected.
It's going to be a loooooooong 12-18 months. If the Tories start a cynical hail Mary charm offensive and Labour start a mediocre beige offensive then who knows what might not happen.
I also worry that the Tories can still pull victory out of the bag .Harold Wilson once said ' a week is a long time in politics ', so 18 months is an eternity .
A well hung parliament?
All members...?
Yeah but it's dangling from their foreheads
Torie / Labour ... tow wings of the same bird !!!
I think dogmatically voting for only one party rather than the one whose policies you agree with most in a given election, or for the candidate you think would be best for your local area is part of the issue. If people allowed their political beliefs to inform their votes properly rather than just picking a side and sticking with it, I think we would have a much healthier system.
I live in very very very safe and well off labour area, and am happy to do so. I voted green to try and get this outcome. Some sort of 60% ish coalitions to keep the tories out makes sense. "SIR" kier is not the messire, hes an insider thats tolerable on paper. Im not a socialist, just want some action on the things that are broken.
The trouble is Labour seem to be a little too ready with excuses for not even wanting to deal with the problems
Sadly i don't think I will be alive to see a new government
Why we need to hang parliament
Spot on Owen
Totally agree Owen, it may also lead to the labour party being pulled to the left, but Starmer would have to go for that to happen.
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so how do we ensure a hung parliament? we can wish for certain outcomes. But how do we ensure those outcomes become a reality? this is the epitome of political activism. And i happen to think that thus and thus is within the ream of achievieability.