I could watch this fight everyday. The supposed "Pound for Pound" king getting knocked flat by a jab. Norris was very good...but never as great as a lot of boxing fans/writers made him out to be.
Man I remember Simon Brown . Hah wow haven't heard his name in decades . I remember really liking him as a sturdy fighter but I forgot about this one . Also forgot about Norris's chin , not the best . Wonder who came along and beat Brown and took the title from him ? . Watched all these fights with my dad years ago . Memories . Thanks !
unbeaten 11 years. five division champion. Terry knew the odds against him but he faced it with the utmost confidence. he didnt even look the leat bit nervous during the intro. Ray was perfect in his last fight winning every round and no signs of slowing, using his lateral movement to perfection. Even tho Ray was a massive favorite against norris it was Norris who showed him who was boss by hurting him and by winning every round. this greatly discouraged Ray. Deep inside he knew he met his match
LOVE BIG UPS 2 SUGAR RAY!! BUT I WAS GLAD WHEN NORRIS BEAT UP ON RAY!! RAY DIDN'T NEED THE DOUGH!! HAD HIS BRAINS STILL FUNCTIONING NORMAL, AND HAD HIS GOOD LOOKS!! HE WAS GREEDY 4 THE SPOTLIGHT!! HE HAD HIS DAY!! IT WAS NORRIS' TIME!!! BUT LOVE, AND ADMIRED SUGAR RAY LEONARD!! HE WAS 1 OF THE GREATEST!! BUT GLAD NORRIS BEAT HIM DOWN!!!
This fight was almost inexplicable for Norris. Brown was moving up, like a lot of his opponents but just seemed to hurt Terry with almost every clean punch he landed! To be honest, Norris made Brown look like Sugar Ray Leonard, PRIME in this one blessers!! Think he underestimated Mantequilla BIG TIME. Didnt make that mistake in rematch, which was NOT as widely publicised...
Terry Norris was one of the most entertaining and destructive boxers of the 90's. He weren't the most sturdy but had a lot of heart and knocked out massive punchers himself. He deserves more consideration than other posters have given. Simon Brown was a tough and skilled former champ with plenty of scalps t his credit. Terry beat him in a rematch. To.mock the man like that; what makes you so superior?
I knew that Simon was going to be a good challenge, but not getting a stoppage over Norris, When Norris went down from that shotgun jab and looked really stunned afterwards when he got up, I said to myself that he might not win and that's exactly what happened. In the rematch, Norris boxed smartly to avoid exchanges. Simon Brown was being counted out before he stepped into the ring and he silenced many of the critics immediately. Never underestimate anyone inside that Squared Circle. Never...
It's extremely rare to see a top-flight boxer get knocked down by a jab. Nothing says "glass chin" more than that. Shame too. because Norris was a major talent.
Norris got KO`ed by a punch to the back of the head. He recently said in an interview that he never trained for this fight and Simon Brown lifted him off the floor with almost every punch. At least he is honest there was no way he would have won the first fight unless he had a game plan and actually trained.
@TA152H01 and the reason his hook was wide is for two reasons: first, Leonard had sustained a brutal beating, and a shock to his body rounds 2-7. Second and most importantly, Norris never stood in front for Ray to hit but was always on his toes, never for a second giving him a target which complicated matters for him greatly! Leonard had just never faced anyone with Terry's smarts, speed, or mobility Roy Jones was great too. we musnt forget him. A true Sugar Ray!
When Leonard got knocked out by Camacho, he had a pulled muscle in his right calf. He couldn't push off to throw his right hand. He went on to fight anyway and got beat.
and another thing: it is not a disgrace but rather an honor even for Leonard to go down to defeat at the hands of such an awesome warrior as Norris He just couldnt handle the speed so let's give him a break, okay?
now that was text book "SHOT GUN BY MR BROWN"some one made a coment here about you dont see that punch any more.just like double hooks are dying only a hand full of warriors still have it in their arsenal.
@MegaDarryl1960 He was almost KO'd with a jab by a washed up former Welterweight, and was hurt or dropped by average fighters on many other occasions. The guy's chin was made of pure glass.
Terry was supposed to fight Oscar De La Hoya before getting KO'd in I believe 1997. Norris was never quite the same after this KO (Simon Brown). Even after his win after the second Brown fight, it seemed that he took a lot more shots in later bouts before getting stopped by Mullings. He had all the ability in the world to beat very good fighters in his era and even in this era.
he was ice cold in the first round, and he never got together after that. He has a pretty impressive record for having a "glass chin" check the second brown fight, the mugabi fight, curry, etc he looked like he broke his hands on brown the second fight
Norris was the best. His speed made him unbeatable. the only problem he had was focus issues but intelligence issues? No way. He beat everyone that challenged him
That was a hit in the back of the head, anyway i always said that Norris frame was fit for welterweight.He beat a wore Leonard and Jackson sent him to the morgue with one punch.
depends on when they fought. tito was very one-dimensional (the later his career went on anyway). he was brilliant in that one dimension, but i think norris could have boxed his way to victory. when trinidad was at welter he was more varied in his attack, and would have caught terry. but by the time he was at 154 (where norris was), he was sitting on that hook too much, and had no plan B. that's why his losses were so dominating (hopkins, wright, jones)
Ray reflexes, legs, and hand speed were gone! He wasn't able to counter punch the way he use too and he was getting hit more than he was landing which isn't typical of Ray Leonard! Anyone with boxing knowledge knows that Leonard was only a shadow of himself in the Norris fight! He was competitive because he was a great champion who fought until the end, but he was CLEARLY past his prime and anyone who thinks otherwise is a DAMN FOOL
This fight is one of the reasons why Terry Norris is now punch drunk. He was a great fighter and I hate that this game has done so much damage to his brain. He can barely talk now, very slurred speech when he talks.
Piglatinsuperstar, you keep talking (and talking) about Norris' victory over a washed-up Ray Leonard, but I've never seen Ray Leonard doing the chicken-dance like Terry did in this first fight against Simon Brown! Terry's "dance steps" were far more impressive than even Zab Judah's funky moves after Kostya Tszyu tagged him.
Its ashame how lil some of you so called boxing fans know about boxing. Simon brown was just a few fighter that had very hold jab that could hurt you bad.. other fighter that had this type of jab was buster duglas , bob foster , sonny liston , ray robinson , Joe lewis.
@daTruChosen not really Hearns was only in his 4th year as pro when Leonard got to him. It is a credit to Leonard but Hearns' stick N move did cause Ray much problems & showed he couldnt cope w speed N movement. like the kind Terry had. Ray had never faced anyone w Terry's speed b-4 Hagler was shot. and Benitez was slow w poor speed. Benitez was a D-fence only fighter Duran was a lightweight
i gotta send this to my boy who is always like, "well if chavez was so great why didnt he gain a lil weight a fight norris. huh huh uhu he was scared." i always bring up the great Mclelen KO
Tito was never knocked out though; knocked down yes but a flat out KO never. His loss to Hopkins was a TKO in the 12th over a long period of breaking down by Hopkins.
@TA152H01 Roy is actually inside my top 10 p4p historically. his speed was beyond compare, could deliver 6 consecutive hooks within a second. perhaps the most lethal body puncher in history. was never the same after moving down from heavyweight, otherwise the most dominant fighter in history Camacho didn have it anymore and wasnt the same since the late 80s. 160 was far too heavy for him. a natural 130 pounder with unparalleld skills & speed. a big underdog in the Leonard fight
tito had far better recuperative powers, true. but i was mostly referring to his tendency to get dropped early, even in fights he won later. and norris likely would have beaten him on points with speed (which trinidad had a problem with), and boxing ability. the younger trinidad who mixed up his attack would have been better against norris.
@TA152H0ait nothing mechanical about TN's left hook as Leonard found out. Ray didnt dare blink for fear of TN landing it I cant for the life of me understand how people talk about Norris and weak chin in the same setence when he took Ray's best shots point blank range and didnt even seem to notice (ending rd 11) how ironic that Leonard wound up tasting canvas in their fight which was nothing unusual for him anyways. how come people dont talk about the times Ray hit the floor?
@TheLeppus28 Norris has a glass jaw. I remember one fight he had against a white Australian boxer in Australia. Norris was knocked down easily with a short hook. However, he was able to get up wobbly and land some haymakers against the Aussie boxer and knock him out. Norris was lucky that day. Norris's wife panicked after seeing Norris knocked down.
maybe Brown was getting payback for SRL, as this is probably how he WOULDVE fought TTN if he was still fresh.. Much like Duran getting closure against Iran Barkley for the Hitman hearns fights... Strange attractions in boxing...????
Could not have been much happier when Simon kicked his ass the 1st time. I always thought Terry was one of the most unsportsmanlike and cowardly fighters out there. His brother Orlin I rank as one of the top 5 quitters of all times.
Who do you think you're kidding? you ought to watch more leonard fights Marcos Geraldo (1979) round 3 Duran-leonard 1 leonard-Howard Leonard-Lalonde leonard-hearns 2 leonard-norris leonard-Camacho thank goodness he didnt take that fight with hagler as originally planned. Wouldnt be a pretty sight
Simon Brown tried to throw punches on each round after the bell and did land some fatal ones after the round 3. He is no doubt a great fighter but it's a scandal.
He won every fight he went down in? Really? Hearns #2? Norris? Camacho? Ray was lucky he didnt catch Hector in his prime or Hector would have laid him out. As it was Ray was beat up, stomped, humiliated, decked, mugged on the ropes, and beat senseless before HC knocked him out. I was totally blown away by Hector. What a tiger!! Not so impressed by the timid Leonard who never could take a punch. You could ask Terry Norris, hearns, lalonde, Howard, Geraldo.
Leonard fans resent how he beat Ray becuz it left them no room to say it was even close Terry is just too fast for most fighters and that includes Leonard & Taylor. Meldrick couldnt defend against Terry's right hand and Ray couldnt defend against Norris' uppercut and left hook OR his right hand. but Terry connected better with it in the later rounds. It was like he couldnt miss Ray's chin For sure Ray knew he was in with a different opponent that Lalonde. Terry was the real thing!
@cbaldwinjr first of all, Leonard was NOT rusty when Norris devestated him. He'd been off one year off a flawless performance in "uno mas", one in which Tim Ryan termed "an absolutely breathtaking performance" and from Steve Farhood "the perfect fight" and hadnt Ray come back after a THREE year layoff to beat Hagler in a division he'd never competed at? Norris was only 154 and Ray STILL was no match for him EVEN WITH HIS HUGE EDGE IN EXPERIENCE!
Correction, Leonard was TKO'd by Camacho, Ray was still on his feet and aware of what was going on therefore it was not a KO! And let's just remember Leonard was even worst in that fight than he was in the Norris fight, he was way over the hill! Big deal he went down alot, and he won every fight he went down in, except to Norris but he was washed up at this point so! And just because Norris was Leonards first lost in 11 yrs mean nothing! That time had to come because Ray was on decline and aging
Early Leonard was holding his own especially in round two. but once Terry brought out his big guns and started throwing serious leather, he made ray back down, intimidating him and hurting him. It was supposed to be Terry with the fragile chin but he came out smelling like daisies. not a mark on him while Leonard kept hitting the canvas. I would never use the Ali-Holmes comarison. Ali had been losing most of his fights with Young, Shavers, Norton, Spinks while Ray was unbeaten 11 years
Ray only looked slow becuz he had Norris in front of him. And you can't counterpunch a man who's alot faster than you. Makes sense. Ray was always great but he could never compete with someone like Terry, a man that had both speed and power, a man that could bang box and move. Ray never fought anyone like that
@TA152H01 It was a fair fight becuz Camacho lost at least 90% of his old speed so it evens out and remeber, Leonard is the bigger man. I dont know what Hector was doing fighting 30 pounds past his natural weight. it was clear that drugs had taken its toll. I thought I would never see him again in a major fight after what happened in the Chavez fight, a fight he easily wouldve won in his prime had Chavez not been afraid to meet with him
@Piglatinsuperstar Leonard was past his prime, and that's that. Terry vs Leonard in his prime is no match! Leonard would have blown him out in the 6 or 7th round. Leonard was as good, Damn Good, he stood with the ferocious Duran and then came back and beat him, he stood the test of time with Hearns and beat him, out boxed Benitez, went to to toe with Kalule and beat him. Got in the ring with Hagler and outfoxed him, he beat all the contenders of his day, Norris would not have lasted the fight!
Yes, Leonard was very much KO'd - by another over the hill fighter so you can't say Ray was nver stopped. and Ray went down alot too. it was Hagler that was never KO'D. Hagler NEVER went down. But is shows that if you cause enough damage to Ray he'll fold like a cheap deck of cards. One other difference I want to point out is that Norris with his string of losses was washed up while with Leonard, it took a Terry Norris to end his 11 year winning streak. That's the difference
@strongties how am i hating for saying he had average defense and your not hating saying he had a weak chin? atleast im right. he got dropped early in his career but they were flash knockdowns, he was never hurt in those fights. and ofcourse i know who archie moore is, check my boxing page im no rookie boxing fan, in fact im more than a boxing fan i fight myself. u shouldnt be calling anyone a rookie boxing fan anyways u dont even know the diffrence between a knockDOWN and a knockOUT.
Knocked down from a jab and knocked out with a punch to the neck.... Such a shame this dude had an awful jaw - that being said he's gotta be in the top 5 most entertaining fighters ever. A knockout or be knocked out kinda guy, just like Tyson, Hearns and Nigel Benn.
Piglatinsuperstar! Not you again! Jeez, I don't know what's louder, your posts or the resounding echo that can still be heard of Terry's "Terrible" chin breaking. As for Norris beating SRL, Leonard was way past it when they met....anybody who really knows boxing will tell you that.
that speed you talking about I watched in uno mas. it wourkds with slow stationary fighters over the hill like Duran & Hagler but against someone that could box and move and be sharp, forget it. that's how you get hurt. and leonard could never compete with someone that fast and why are you so impressed by leonard in the hearns fight when his own trainer telling him "youre blowing it"?
Beat me up? I dont even know him. Ray waokay to me as a fighter but he turned down way too many fights and that's what annoys me about him. people always talking how great he was but he was too scared to face hagler for years and years. too scared to fight even with Pryor and forget about Nunn. it really disturbs me how the public has to sit and watch fights with lalonde and a run down Hagler, Hearns, Duran. people dont want to see those fights no more
Prove he was washed up. Was Ray winning? If he was winning then you can't say he was washed up and the record shows Ray hadnt lost a fight in 11 years until he met up with Norris who was too fast for him. So you cant even say Ray was washed up when Terry laid him low
How am I wrong? He was decked, cameras dont lie. You cant just make up your own rules becuz you dont like the fact he couldnt take it upstairs. didnt you ever see the fight between Honeyghan and Curry in which one commentator asked Clancy if ring rust affects your chin. Gil laughed and said 'No ring rust does not affect your chin'. See? And ray was only 27 when little Kevin Howard dropped him. Think what Norris would have done. He would have beat the SRl of 81,84,87 easily
Excuses excuses. I've hear enough excuses from the leonard apoliggists to cover a landfill. He just couldnt handle his dukes when it came down to it. That's what it amounts to. its really too bad what happened to sugar that night thinking hector was going to tmake is easy for him but HC made him look like shit. Ray wasnt ready for that kind of assault giving it to him fast and hard instead of giving him a chance at a more leisurely pace. to answer your question, PLENTY enough. 7
@shiftwork Then norris' is the more impressive of the two Many defenses of his title to ZERO for Sugar and did not TN defeat the man himself? wasnt even a fight! Ray just couldnt handle him
@vincespell so the guy that finally kicked his butt no sweat after 11 yrs w/o a loss, not only loses but is no match. how interesting. People like you were saying the same thing befre their fight and look how it turned out! turns out that Terry not only had the kind of speed Ray couldnt cope with, but he couldnt deal with his power either. Ray had never faced anyone with Terry's speed, power, or defense
terry was faster than Ray that's why he beat him and punched holes in that big head of his. even in his prime it would still be one sided fight. Look at the trouble he had with kalule: no movement, no punch, no speed and he still gave Ray trouble. I hate to think what someone like Terry wouldve done to Ray who could never handle quick boxers anyways. BTW, Ray Leonard never fought Cuevas. He passed him over for Benitez. Benitez is okay for a fighter but he didnt have any speed. Too slow
check it out bro, you can't be that foolish could you? Tito was the one who TKO'd Carr and also went on to decisively beat Reid. Are you reffering to Tito being SIMPLY knocked down? which he was in those fights you mention; but he was the one who eventually WON.
@TA152H01 u said he wasnt better than 99.9% on his best day, so we dont need 1000 according to you. go back to the night of the camacho fight. grab 10 dudes leonard's age over 200 lbs off the street at random. leonard would beat the shit out of every last one. he doenst need to be big when he's got enough speed to land his punches flush before his opponent has a chance to roll/block/slip/react. it'd be like a relaxing workout on the heavy bag
@TA152H01 a 250 pound guy throwing haymakers would miss every punch and get countered. a 250 pound average guy is destroyed in less than 1 round by camacho. a 250 pound average guy is completely out of gas 2 minutes into the 1st round. i know u dont care much for leonard, but now you just sound plain ignorant
@cbaldwinjr that's just one fight. who ever heard of a shot 25 year old fighter? And after ONE fight? Don't know why you'd bring up Ali. He was 37! You're funny! Leonard? He'd been unbeaten for 11 years and recently outpointed the great Hagler and shut out Duran who'd just won the middleweight title. His legs never looked better and his combinations too fast to follow, while winning every round. His problem was he'd never met Terry Norris!
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Terry Norris was a fun to watch fighter he would win or lose spectacularly but never in a dull manner . This fight was no exception
I could watch this fight everyday. The supposed "Pound for Pound" king getting knocked flat by a jab.
Norris was very good...but never as great as a lot of boxing fans/writers made him out to be.
I just love everything about this fight!
very true..julian jacksons knockout did em in
Man I remember Simon Brown . Hah wow haven't heard his name in decades . I remember really liking him as a sturdy fighter but I forgot about this one . Also forgot about Norris's chin , not the best . Wonder who came along and beat Brown and took the title from him ? . Watched all these fights with my dad years ago . Memories . Thanks !
Terry Norris himself took the title back from Brown in a rematch.
unbeaten 11 years. five division champion. Terry knew the odds against him but he faced it with the utmost confidence. he didnt even look the leat bit nervous during the intro. Ray was perfect in his last fight winning every round and no signs of slowing, using his lateral movement to perfection. Even tho Ray was a massive favorite against norris it was Norris who showed him who was boss by hurting him and by winning every round. this greatly discouraged Ray. Deep inside he knew he met his match
@littleprettyplp Some EXCELLENT points raised Mon Ami...
For some reason, many forget that Terry had a rematch with Simon.
I think the public never fogve him for the way he embarrassed leonard
LOVE BIG UPS 2 SUGAR RAY!! BUT I WAS GLAD WHEN NORRIS BEAT UP ON RAY!! RAY DIDN'T NEED THE DOUGH!! HAD HIS BRAINS STILL FUNCTIONING NORMAL, AND HAD HIS GOOD LOOKS!! HE WAS GREEDY 4 THE SPOTLIGHT!! HE HAD HIS DAY!! IT WAS NORRIS' TIME!!! BUT LOVE, AND ADMIRED SUGAR RAY LEONARD!! HE WAS 1 OF THE GREATEST!! BUT GLAD NORRIS BEAT HIM DOWN!!!
This fight was almost inexplicable for Norris. Brown was moving up, like a lot of his opponents but just seemed to hurt Terry with almost every clean punch he landed! To be honest, Norris made Brown look like Sugar Ray Leonard, PRIME in this one blessers!! Think he underestimated Mantequilla BIG TIME. Didnt make that mistake in rematch, which was NOT as widely publicised...
wars like this was the the major reason norris retired at the age of only 31..and i read somewhere he was sparring 12 rounds on a daily basis..
I wish Chavez would have fought Norris & exposed his glass jaw!
Wonder if he ever cat scan his head like for prevention. Before physically noticed the damage.
simon brown had a good jaw..he did grt ko d by petway in a bizzar slugfest..but he took alot of shots and stood there
Terry Norris was one of the most entertaining and destructive boxers of the 90's. He weren't the most sturdy but had a lot of heart and knocked out massive punchers himself. He deserves more consideration than other posters have given. Simon Brown was a tough and skilled former champ with plenty of scalps t his credit. Terry beat him in a rematch. To.mock the man like that; what makes you so superior?
for some reason Norris had no punch resistance on this occasion? I don't recall it ever being evident again during his career?
I knew that Simon was going to be a good challenge, but not getting a stoppage over Norris, When Norris went down from that shotgun jab and looked really stunned afterwards when he got up, I said to myself that he might not win and that's exactly what happened. In the rematch, Norris boxed smartly to avoid exchanges. Simon Brown was being counted out before he stepped into the ring and he silenced many of the critics immediately. Never underestimate anyone inside that Squared Circle. Never...
Norris looked very weak in this fight. Something seemed wrong with him. In the rematch, he shut Brown out with ease.
watch the rematch
Terry said Simon Brown is the hardest puncher he has ever faced, even hits harder than Julian Jackson
You know where that thumbs up came from
Very sad. You're right about Norris' skill level AND his chin. He was really, really good though.
That was a very fast count
It's extremely rare to see a top-flight boxer get knocked down by a jab. Nothing says "glass chin" more than that. Shame too. because Norris was a major talent.
Norris got KO`ed by a punch to the back of the head. He recently said in an interview that he never trained for this fight and Simon Brown lifted him off the floor with almost every punch. At least he is honest there was no way he would have won the first fight unless he had a game plan and actually trained.
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@TA152H01
and the reason his hook was wide is for two reasons: first, Leonard had sustained a brutal beating, and a shock to his body rounds 2-7. Second and most importantly, Norris never stood in front for Ray to hit but was always on his toes, never for a second giving him a target which complicated matters for him greatly!
Leonard had just never faced anyone with Terry's smarts, speed, or mobility
Roy Jones was great too. we musnt forget him. A true Sugar Ray!
When Leonard got knocked out by Camacho, he had a pulled muscle in his right calf. He couldn't push off to throw his right hand. He went on to fight anyway and got beat.
and another thing: it is not a disgrace but rather an honor even for Leonard to go down to defeat at the hands of such an awesome warrior as Norris
He just couldnt handle the speed so let's give him a break, okay?
now that was text book "SHOT GUN BY MR BROWN"some one made a coment here about you dont see that punch any more.just like double hooks are dying only a hand full of warriors still have it in their arsenal.
@MegaDarryl1960 He was almost KO'd with a jab by a washed up former Welterweight, and was hurt or dropped by average fighters on many other occasions. The guy's chin was made of pure glass.
Terry was supposed to fight Oscar De La Hoya before getting KO'd in I believe 1997. Norris was never quite the same after this KO (Simon Brown). Even after his win after the second Brown fight, it seemed that he took a lot more shots in later bouts before getting stopped by Mullings. He had all the ability in the world to beat very good fighters in his era and even in this era.
Nearly KO'ed by a flick jab. Wow.
he was ice cold in the first round, and he never got together after that. He has a pretty impressive record for having a "glass chin" check the second brown fight, the mugabi fight, curry, etc he looked like he broke his hands on brown the second fight
Tito would of caught Norris sooner or later; Tito was simply a better, greater & more complete fighter.
Norris was the best. His speed made him unbeatable. the only problem he had was focus issues but intelligence issues? No way. He beat everyone that challenged him
He couldn't recover from a jab... Wow
Terry's trunks are the same as the ones Mayweather used against Judah.
both fighters jaw have a sticker that say fragile. depends on who gets tagged first.
Simon has a great jaw
a lot of fighters had weak chins and still accomplished a lot: lennox lewis, roger mayweather, julian jackson, nigel benn, wladimir klitschko
he ran into that stiff jab, its like running into a 2X4.
That was a hit in the back of the head, anyway i always said that Norris frame was fit for welterweight.He beat a wore Leonard and Jackson sent him to the morgue with one punch.
depends on when they fought. tito was very one-dimensional (the later his career went on anyway). he was brilliant in that one dimension, but i think norris could have boxed his way to victory. when trinidad was at welter he was more varied in his attack, and would have caught terry. but by the time he was at 154 (where norris was), he was sitting on that hook too much, and had no plan B. that's why his losses were so dominating (hopkins, wright, jones)
Leonard fans resent the fact that Norris hit Ray when he was down -- twice...
Ray reflexes, legs, and hand speed were gone! He wasn't able to counter punch the way he use too and he was getting hit more than he was landing which isn't typical of Ray Leonard!
Anyone with boxing knowledge knows that Leonard was only a shadow of himself in the Norris fight!
He was competitive because he was a great champion who fought until the end, but he was CLEARLY past his prime and anyone who thinks otherwise is a DAMN FOOL
This fight is one of the reasons why Terry Norris is now punch drunk. He was a great fighter and I hate that this game has done so much damage to his brain. He can barely talk now, very slurred speech when he talks.
Piglatinsuperstar, you keep talking (and talking) about Norris' victory over a washed-up Ray Leonard, but I've never seen Ray Leonard doing the chicken-dance like Terry did in this first fight against Simon Brown! Terry's "dance steps" were far more impressive than even Zab Judah's funky moves after Kostya Tszyu tagged him.
Its ashame how lil some of you so called boxing fans know about boxing. Simon brown was just a few fighter that had very hold jab that could hurt you bad.. other fighter that had this type of jab was buster duglas , bob foster , sonny liston , ray robinson , Joe lewis.
@daTruChosen
not really
Hearns was only in his 4th year as pro when Leonard got to him. It is a credit to Leonard but Hearns' stick N move did cause Ray much problems & showed he couldnt cope w speed N movement. like the kind Terry had. Ray had never faced anyone w Terry's speed b-4
Hagler was shot. and Benitez was slow w poor speed. Benitez was a D-fence only fighter
Duran was a lightweight
i gotta send this to my boy who is always like, "well if chavez was so great why didnt he gain a lil weight a fight norris. huh huh uhu he was scared." i always bring up the great Mclelen KO
Tito was never knocked out though; knocked down yes but a flat out KO never. His loss to Hopkins was a TKO in the 12th over a long period of breaking down by Hopkins.
@TA152H01
Roy is actually inside my top 10 p4p historically. his speed was beyond compare, could deliver 6 consecutive hooks within a second. perhaps the most lethal body puncher in history. was never the same after moving down from heavyweight, otherwise the most dominant fighter in history
Camacho didn have it anymore and wasnt the same since the late 80s. 160 was far too heavy for him. a natural 130 pounder with unparalleld skills & speed. a big underdog in the Leonard fight
tito had far better recuperative powers, true. but i was mostly referring to his tendency to get dropped early, even in fights he won later. and norris likely would have beaten him on points with speed (which trinidad had a problem with), and boxing ability. the younger trinidad who mixed up his attack would have been better against norris.
@TA152H0ait nothing mechanical about TN's left hook as Leonard found out. Ray didnt dare blink for fear of TN landing it
I cant for the life of me understand how people talk about Norris and weak chin in the same setence when he took Ray's best shots point blank range and didnt even seem to notice (ending rd 11)
how ironic that Leonard wound up tasting canvas in their fight which was nothing unusual for him anyways. how come people dont talk about the times Ray hit the floor?
Brown estaba más pesado que Norris. Paso lo mismo que con trinidad y Hopkins!
@TheLeppus28 Norris has a glass jaw. I remember one fight he had against a white Australian boxer in Australia. Norris was knocked down easily with a short hook. However, he was able to get up wobbly and land some haymakers against the Aussie boxer and knock him out. Norris was lucky that day. Norris's wife panicked after seeing Norris knocked down.
Terry's jaw was good til he met Julian Jackson. 99% of fighters never recover from a knockout like that, much less become a multi-time world champion.
NO, I know what the fuck I'm talking about......
maybe Brown was getting payback for SRL, as this is probably how he WOULDVE fought TTN if he was still fresh.. Much like Duran getting closure against Iran Barkley for the Hitman hearns fights... Strange attractions in boxing...????
@littleprettyplp hmmm....
Could not have been much happier when Simon kicked his ass the 1st time. I always thought Terry was one of the most unsportsmanlike and cowardly fighters out there. His brother Orlin I rank as one of the top 5 quitters of all times.
Terry lost back to back DQ's vs Santanna .That HAS to be a record ! He hit Simon in the back of the head early in this fight . Cheap shot mfr .
Who do you think you're kidding? you ought to watch more leonard fights
Marcos Geraldo (1979) round 3
Duran-leonard 1
leonard-Howard
Leonard-Lalonde
leonard-hearns 2
leonard-norris
leonard-Camacho
thank goodness he didnt take that fight with hagler as originally planned. Wouldnt be a pretty sight
Simon Brown tried to throw punches on each round after the bell and did land some fatal ones after the round 3. He is no doubt a great fighter but it's a scandal.
He won every fight he went down in? Really? Hearns #2? Norris? Camacho?
Ray was lucky he didnt catch Hector in his prime or Hector would have laid him out. As it was Ray was beat up, stomped, humiliated, decked, mugged on the ropes, and beat senseless before HC knocked him out. I was totally blown away by Hector. What a tiger!! Not so impressed by the timid Leonard who never could take a punch. You could ask Terry Norris, hearns, lalonde, Howard, Geraldo.
Leonard fans resent how he beat Ray becuz it left them no room to say it was even close
Terry is just too fast for most fighters and that includes Leonard & Taylor. Meldrick couldnt defend against Terry's right hand and Ray couldnt defend against Norris' uppercut and left hook OR his right hand. but Terry connected better with it in the later rounds. It was like he couldnt miss Ray's chin
For sure Ray knew he was in with a different opponent that Lalonde. Terry was the real thing!
@cbaldwinjr
first of all, Leonard was NOT rusty when Norris devestated him. He'd been off one year off a flawless performance in "uno mas", one in which Tim Ryan termed "an absolutely breathtaking performance" and from Steve Farhood "the perfect fight"
and hadnt Ray come back after a THREE year layoff to beat Hagler in a division he'd never competed at?
Norris was only 154 and Ray STILL was no match for him EVEN WITH HIS HUGE EDGE IN EXPERIENCE!
Correction, Leonard was TKO'd by Camacho, Ray was still on his feet and aware of what was going on therefore it was not a KO! And let's just remember Leonard was even worst in that fight than he was in the Norris fight, he was way over the hill! Big deal he went down alot, and he won every fight he went down in, except to Norris but he was washed up at this point so! And just because Norris was Leonards first lost in 11 yrs mean nothing! That time had to come because Ray was on decline and aging
Early Leonard was holding his own especially in round two. but once Terry brought out his big guns and started throwing serious leather, he made ray back down, intimidating him and hurting him. It was supposed to be Terry with the fragile chin but he came out smelling like daisies. not a mark on him while Leonard kept hitting the canvas.
I would never use the Ali-Holmes comarison. Ali had been losing most of his fights with Young, Shavers, Norton, Spinks while Ray was unbeaten 11 years
RAY LEONARD was out of his prime idiot
I can't believe how poor Norris was in that fight. They were not even powerful punches.
I think Simon Brown would have beat Leonard-Duran and hearns in his prime
Ray only looked slow becuz he had Norris in front of him. And you can't counterpunch a man who's alot faster than you. Makes sense. Ray was always great but he could never compete with someone like Terry, a man that had both speed and power, a man that could bang box and move. Ray never fought anyone like that
@TA152H01
It was a fair fight becuz Camacho lost at least 90% of his old speed so it evens out and remeber, Leonard is the bigger man. I dont know what Hector was doing fighting 30 pounds past his natural weight. it was clear that drugs had taken its toll. I thought I would never see him again in a major fight after what happened in the Chavez fight, a fight he easily wouldve won in his prime had Chavez not been afraid to meet with him
@Piglatinsuperstar Leonard was past his prime, and that's that. Terry vs Leonard in his prime is no match! Leonard would have blown him out in the 6 or 7th round. Leonard was as good, Damn Good, he stood with the ferocious Duran and then came back and beat him, he stood the test of time with Hearns and beat him, out boxed Benitez, went to to toe with Kalule and beat him. Got in the ring with Hagler and outfoxed him, he beat all the contenders of his day, Norris would not have lasted the fight!
Precipice, my ass! TN crossed over in round 2.
@fkudf LOL. Unfair but well funny...
Yes, Leonard was very much KO'd - by another over the hill fighter so you can't say Ray was nver stopped. and Ray went down alot too. it was Hagler that was never KO'D. Hagler NEVER went down.
But is shows that if you cause enough damage to Ray he'll fold like a cheap deck of cards.
One other difference I want to point out is that Norris with his string of losses was washed up while with Leonard, it took a Terry Norris to end his 11 year winning streak. That's the difference
LOL! your kiddin right?
Glass Joe!!!I never liked Norris.He had good skills.
@strongties how am i hating for saying he had average defense and your not hating saying he had a weak chin? atleast im right.
he got dropped early in his career but they were flash knockdowns, he was never hurt in those fights.
and ofcourse i know who archie moore is, check my boxing page im no rookie boxing fan, in fact im more than a boxing fan i fight myself.
u shouldnt be calling anyone a rookie boxing fan anyways u dont even know the diffrence between a knockDOWN and a knockOUT.
Knocked down from a jab and knocked out with a punch to the neck....
Such a shame this dude had an awful jaw - that being said he's gotta be in the top 5 most entertaining fighters ever. A knockout or be knocked out kinda guy, just like Tyson, Hearns and Nigel Benn.
Piglatinsuperstar! Not you again! Jeez, I don't know what's louder, your posts or the resounding echo that can still be heard of Terry's "Terrible" chin breaking. As for Norris beating SRL, Leonard was way past it when they met....anybody who really knows boxing will tell you that.
that speed you talking about I watched in uno mas. it wourkds with slow stationary fighters over the hill like Duran & Hagler but against someone that could box and move and be sharp, forget it. that's how you get hurt. and leonard could never compete with someone that fast
and why are you so impressed by leonard in the hearns fight when his own trainer telling him "youre blowing it"?
Beat me up? I dont even know him. Ray waokay to me as a fighter but he turned down way too many fights and that's what annoys me about him. people always talking how great he was but he was too scared to face hagler for years and years. too scared to fight even with Pryor and forget about Nunn. it really disturbs me how the public has to sit and watch fights with lalonde and a run down Hagler, Hearns, Duran. people dont want to see those fights no more
Prove he was washed up. Was Ray winning? If he was winning then you can't say he was washed up and the record shows Ray hadnt lost a fight in 11 years until he met up with Norris who was too fast for him. So you cant even say Ray was washed up when Terry laid him low
How am I wrong? He was decked, cameras dont lie. You cant just make up your own rules becuz you dont like the fact he couldnt take it upstairs.
didnt you ever see the fight between Honeyghan and Curry in which one commentator asked Clancy if ring rust affects your chin. Gil laughed and said 'No ring rust does not affect your chin'.
See? And ray was only 27 when little Kevin Howard dropped him. Think what Norris would have done. He would have beat the SRl of 81,84,87 easily
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Excuses excuses. I've hear enough excuses from the leonard apoliggists to cover a landfill. He just couldnt handle his dukes when it came down to it. That's what it amounts to. its really too bad what happened to sugar that night thinking hector was going to tmake is easy for him but HC made him look like shit. Ray wasnt ready for that kind of assault giving it to him fast and hard instead of giving him a chance at a more leisurely pace.
to answer your question, PLENTY enough. 7
@TA152H01
oh yeah grab ten dudes leonard's age off the street at random. how many do YOU think could beat him in a boxing match? (this oughta be good)
@shiftwork
Then norris' is the more impressive of the two
Many defenses of his title to ZERO for Sugar
and did not TN defeat the man himself? wasnt even a fight!
Ray just couldnt handle him
@vincespell
so the guy that finally kicked his butt no sweat after 11 yrs w/o a loss, not only loses but is no match.
how interesting. People like you were saying the same thing befre their fight and look how it turned out!
turns out that Terry not only had the kind of speed Ray couldnt cope with, but he couldnt deal with his power either. Ray had never faced anyone with Terry's speed, power, or defense
terry was faster than Ray that's why he beat him and punched holes in that big head of his. even in his prime it would still be one sided fight. Look at the trouble he had with kalule: no movement, no punch, no speed and he still gave Ray trouble. I hate to think what someone like Terry wouldve done to Ray who could never handle quick boxers anyways.
BTW, Ray Leonard never fought Cuevas. He passed him over for Benitez. Benitez is okay for a fighter but he didnt have any speed. Too slow
check it out bro, you can't be that foolish could you? Tito was the one who TKO'd Carr and also went on to decisively beat Reid. Are you reffering to Tito being SIMPLY knocked down? which he was in those fights you mention; but he was the one who eventually WON.
He never recovered from that jab, l know he'd a weak chin but that was too much...
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Norris had a weak chin, and Brown hurt him in every round of this fight.
@TA152H01
u said he wasnt better than 99.9% on his best day, so we dont need 1000 according to you. go back to the night of the camacho fight. grab 10 dudes leonard's age over 200 lbs off the street at random. leonard would beat the shit out of every last one. he doenst need to be big when he's got enough speed to land his punches flush before his opponent has a chance to roll/block/slip/react. it'd be like a relaxing workout on the heavy bag
This goes beyond just a glass jaw. How pathetic is Norris's chin?
Terry Norris was GOOD! week chin? He wasnt Lamotta, but aver pro fighter type chin. Simon brown could body punch! Thats how Houdini died , ya know...
@TA152H01
a 250 pound guy throwing haymakers would miss every punch and get countered. a 250 pound average guy is destroyed in less than 1 round by camacho. a 250 pound average guy is completely out of gas 2 minutes into the 1st round. i know u dont care much for leonard, but now you just sound plain ignorant
@cbaldwinjr
that's just one fight. who ever heard of a shot 25 year old fighter? And after ONE fight? Don't know why you'd bring up Ali. He was 37!
You're funny!
Leonard? He'd been unbeaten for 11 years and recently outpointed the great Hagler and shut out Duran who'd just won the middleweight title. His legs never looked better and his combinations too fast to follow, while winning every round. His problem was he'd never met Terry Norris!
Yeah, but he had a glass chin.