The ongoing fight against ghost cars in Texas
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2023
- A single sheet of paper: that's all it takes to make a car and its occupants virtually untraceable to police and the public. State law requires auto dealers to print out a temporary license plate every time someone buys a vehicle. But police and some lawmakers say the system is being abused, allowing anyone to display fraudulent plates.
"If you've got a computer and printer at home, you can make a Texas paper tag," said Grand Prairie police chief Daniel Scesney.
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Dude was driving around for 5 years with paper tags.😂 Can’t say you’re driving that long without questioning that vehicle… he knew!
and how many cops do you think saw him and looked the other way during that time, just to avoid having to deal with it? until one of these people slams into your family and flees the scene. in most states, intentionally using false plates on a car is considered a felony, isnt it? impounding these people's cars is the very least these cops should be doing.
Worth it.
@jose ramos registration is a scam? So all taxes are a scam then by your logic. What will pay for state services including roads and patrolmen? Bottom line is that rich people own government and they aren’t going to pay for your taxes. That’s why everyone else has to.
@@jamesmedina2062 people like him will convince themself that its ok no matter what, also the ones who will hit and run on you.
@jose ramos Inspection is NOT a scam, you just need to see a few wheels come off of cars on the road to know that leaving it solely up to the owner to keep a vehicle maintained and safe to be on the road is not a good idea. As for the cost, you're not just buying a sticker, someone with qualifications is actually doing an inspection of the vehicle. You expect your boss to pay you even when you're doing the "easy" job - well you have to pay the person who only has to look at your car looking for issues.
Just last night, in a church parking lot no less, I saw a "work truck" full of construction tools with a metallic Michigan Dealer Plate on it.
It's highly unlikely that truck was in use for Dealer related activities.
@@Kris-wv4zd vehicles must be registered in the state in which they reside. If he aint in Michigan and that work truck spends more than 6 months a year outside of Michigan in another state, it needs to lose the Michigan tag and be registered in the new state.
We bought a new truck in 2022 and after the permanent tags came in, we got a TOLLTAG bill for the paper tag (which we still have in our possession) - which was photographed on a Nissan sedan. Had to fight with the toll company over bogus charges because they said the DMV identified the tag as ours even though the picture showed a Nissan and the fake paper tag says 2014 Nissan. The DMV had verified it was for a 2032 truck. Toll company didn't care. Nightmare. So glad they are finally fixing that problem.
Was this the infamous Texas Tags? I started receiving bills every month from TXTag for driving on tolls roads in Austin, TX. The only problem is I have never driven any vehicle in the state of TX. After 2 letters to them I finally called and talked to a nice woman who looked my plates up and said it was a plate for a trailer not a vehicle. After 5 months of getting billed she stopped the charges and fixed the issue. Don't pay these people. I thought it was a scam but NO, it's the state of Texas!
@@user-so3qz8lp6x no. NTTA
TXTag is everywhere else in Texas
1:45 "The driver ends up with four tickets, and has to walk away."
And now we know why this problem continues to happen.
Exactly! Because the violator now needs another inexpesive vehicle in a hurry and already knows the drill ...
You're right, it's much better to throw them behind bars! Surely you don't suggest we just tell them not to do that? 😂
He even got his laptop from the car to continue making them
More like these things are fueling their local economy 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah, this is 100% on the police. No reason for this kind of graft.
Ghost cars may also be stolen vehicles. A neighbor had his truck stolen, it went to Mexico, came back to AZ with Mexico plates, the truck was in a parking lot we called the neighbor he arrived and confirmed it was his truck (personal stuff was in the back), he called the police, using the vin # and report# for stolen vehicle, he got his truck back.
Just one of many negative ramifications of allowing illegals into the country.
The bureaucracy is so overwhelming that the system of tracking no longer functions.
I have a picture of a ghost on a tv.
This is prevalent everywhere. In like 20 minutes on just about every interstate you'll see almost more paper tags than actual license plates. It's rampant in North Carolina.
Same here in Michigan. I think it god really bad here during Covid, when the excuse was that it was hard to get appointments at the DMV. But since then it seems like you seem them everywhere and a lot of times you don't see any plate at all
So it seems the problem is that there is no punishment for someone being caught with these fake plates other than impounding the vehicle.
Yeah! Arrest them or something. Just hitting them with tickets and impouding their car isn't going to do anything!
No, in the first case shown the driver was issued four tickets. I don't know about Texas specifically, but fines for operating an unregistered vehicle and for operating an uninsured vehicle can be substantial.
@@dewmontain123 You can buy a lot of different food items that do not have to be "cooked" and it would cost a lot less than eating out. Save the difference for two weeks and get a super low cost Airfryer You can cook anything in one. Then you can buy even less expensive foods and start paying your bills. Maybe even think about getting a 2nd job part time to make some extra money. There are ways to get yourself out of whatever situation you are in if you want to. But then it is a lot easier to just say "no one cares" and "Ya'll should be GIVING me more money".
Stope with the blame game and get off your butt and do something about your situation yourself. And you can afford either a CELL PHONE or COMPUTER or both + internet service.
Didn't know you could be so butthurt about my comment @fraggdu51. I'm saying that if the cops just keep handing them tickets and stuff, they won't change their ways.
@@brianb-p6586 Thanks captian obvious! I know the stuff and they won't change their ways if they just keep getting tickets and stuff.
in our state fake, altered or swapped plates are a FELONY, you go straight to jail.
Where so I don't go their
Sounds like the jails wouldn’t be big enough
Which State 🤔
Unless you're black or a illegal migrants. Only jail if you're a white minority
@@Isaiah-ft5nx I was just thinking the same thing.
I live in Colorado. Was stopped behind a car last week with 2017 tags. This is a huge problem here as well.
Why were they let go instead of being charged for no registration or insurance? This is another reason law abiding people have to pay so much for their insurance.
Government officials would actually have to do something for that. Easier to sweep it under the rug.
True just lazy
You do notice the cars are being impounded. It's going to cost them a lot more to get the cars released than it would have to register them. And who says they are not being ticketed? (I'm assuming these drivers did have a valid driver license.) Anyway, in most cases throwing the drivers in jail just creates more hassle; easier to ticket them and let them walk home.
They impounded the car, gave them 4 tickets, and made them walk home, proportional punishment to the offense. No evidence of deliberate malfeasance, no arrest. You don’t even know if the buyer was a victim of a scam too.
They WERE charged. Do you know what a ticket is?
These drivers know the tags are fake. Good to see they’re getting their exercise and staying healthy walking home! 😂😂😂
Yes, but, they should be getting arrested.
Mostly they are being ignored by the cops. I hate paying annual fees, but I do because I’ve been pulled over for expired tabs.
These days driving without plates, fake paper plates, blacked out glass (in a car that stereotypically will be some sort of POS with drug warrants inside, probably armed with stolen guns, and even a person ready to try to sue for profiling the correctly profiled asswipe that should be locked up) and most importantly NO F’ING drivers license or insurance.
@Z3dsdead it drives me insane.
@@STV-H4H I don't think of criminal will take a chance on having a fake plate getting pulled over when they can just put it in someone else's name
@@STV-H4H blacked out glass means you’re an ass? …i live in a sunny city that gets in my eyes + it’s hot if the sun gets in so yeah I like my 5% it ain’t legal but no cop ever bothers me. And it’s nothing to take it off. Damn humans always so quick to pass judgement on another
I've never understood paper tags. Here in Alberta, you walk into the DMV with your proof of ownership, your drivers license and proof of insurance, and they issue you an actual metal license plate right on the spot. No waiting, no mailing, no paper tags. You just get your license plate within an hour of buying your new or used vehicle. And NOT at the car dealership. You have to go to the DMV to pick up your plate.
Because Socialists need artificial jobs. Occasionally you might benefit but at what cost, lol.
is it free too?
I live in Virginia, and they offer paper plates, but there's no reason to. You can walk into a DMV and be in and out within an hour with metal plates, a new title, and registration for any vehicle you buy.
Here in Ontario, if new plates are being issued to the car, the car dealer can go to the DMV on the buyer's behalf, purchase the new plates, put it on the car for the buyer, and then the buyer picks up the car with the plate and ownership already in it and can drive off the lot with everything they need.
In BC you can get temp tags to move a vehicle, but you buy a short term insurance for that tag. OTOH, you can transfer your plates from your old vehicle to your new vehicle. I've had the same plate for 30 years now.
Just get rid of temporary paper plates completely. Problem solved. Not needed in other countries...
In Australia the number plate stays with the car no matter how often it is sold.
Oregon, USA also.
@ButterflyMatt not true. It can stay with the car but doesn't have to
@@johnschoolcraft4160 Well if they were to add officers to work on this with more emphasis, it would take revenue and we know Texans don't like taxes..................
Same in California, unless the plates are stolen, lost or damaged in a wreck.People take the plates off because to get valid registration and annual tags on the plate you have to have a drivers license and proof you have insurance.
The obvious solution is for Motor Vehicles Department to stop issuing paper plates. We would walk into DMV, fill out the forms, pay the fees, and were handed an envelope with a pair of new license plates and the validation tags to stick on them. My sister-in-law went to the dealer window at DMV with the paperwork for all sales in the last 24 hours or over a weekend and walked out with registration for each vehicle. They told customers that they had 48 hours to return the loaner plates (DMV clearly marked those plates as Dealer Temporary). You had to be able to forge license plates and registration tags, not just be able to print your "picture of a license plate".
Japan does the same shit. They have official loaner plates for unregistered cars that need to temporarily use public roads. It always seemed wild to me that states in this country don't have something more official than a print out.
The obvious solution is to let people be free and stop requiring free people to do things. That's not freedom. Taxes are stealing, we pay cops to take more money from us... That sounds exactly like freedom to you?? 🤔
Another great way is just to keep a bunch of random unassigned plates on hand at the dmv, when someone registers their vehicle, they can assign a plate they already have to the registration. If someone wants a custom plate, then they get temporary dealer tags. Voila! You walk out with tags that day and no more paper tags.
Why stop issuing paper plates? The officer said for every bogus paper plate he catches, there's probably 10 more passing by. Seems like an opportunity to get criminals and unworthy cars off the road, they just need to create a special unit to focus on this effort.
It's really not a big deal lol calm down.
The "people" who came up with the idea for these paper plates, knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
This is pure madness
The paper plates assume an honesty society. We used to be one. That is breaking down.
@@richardball5491There have always been scammers and cheats. This is nothing new.
@@richardball5491 when?
@@richardball5491 Right. In Texas.
Here in GA they disincentivize going the legal route by charging new residents a sales tax on their vehicle even though they already paid sales tax when they bought the car in their other state. Can't say as I blame them for not registering here.
“They could do this all day long if it’s all they did”
What a brilliant piece of journalism
😂
Crazy how easy this has been for years and they are just now catching on.
Too many uninsured drivers out there.
they arent just catching on. They dont try to enforce the law, since doing so 99% of the time (even stated in the video) the drivers are armed, POC, illegal, warrants, criminals, drug dealers and list goes on. Its a safety hazard to officers to patrol ghost cars because only criminals indulge in the crime of ghost cars
@@the1mexicant No wonder why auto insurance is so high, even for drivers with a perfect driving record. It's really a shame.
I mean they probably knew from the start but it's a case of what are you going to do about it exactly? You take one down and they're up and running again in a couple days. Change the look and they just Photoshop a new template and pick up where they left off. Criminals will never stop until they can't anymore, and simply put that will be an impossible situation to achieve.
'they' desperate for cash.. snack tax for example.
Clearly that tax is "taxation without representation" of any sort.
They just pocket money now because we are 'bad'.
Hilarious angels sent from god, to make sure our bedsheets smell angelic for our upcoming stint in paradise.
As someone who has been hit by an uninsured driver, I commend these cops!!!
I was just hit by a steel barrel that rolled off a truck. The police asked if it was for the insurance and said they no longer investigate property damage claims. I was hit by an uninsured motorist more than once and the cops write down the expired insurance info and you have file a claim to find out it's bogus.
@@userunknownx In Louisiana, that IS a crime. Failure to secure load.
The same cops that won't do their jobs and get these people off road in the first place? Why are our tax dollars buying automatic plate scanners again?
Why should you need to register an automobile and order to have insurance? What is having insurance have to do with this? What does financial responsibility and remedy for wrongdoing have anything to do with these operations that are wasting resources when they could be investigating actual crimes? Not hypothetical, anecdotal or theoretical crimes? If someone is not going to have insurance they are not going to be financially responsible either way.
@@HoneyBadger1779 They usually don't pay. The worst thing that happens is they lose their license and drive anyway. I was run-over by someone and he just skipped State.
Why aren't they arresting them? 💙 T.E.N.
Not enough space in jail....
They got 4 tickets and got their car impounded. I think that's a reasonable enough punishment.
Thank you Texas we certainly have enough of the ghost cars up here in Missouri and there's no excuse for it anymore
I’m glad no one who had fake plates actually knew they were fake. They were upstanding citizens for sure
Well some may not have known but I think most of them knew.
😂
@@davidhenderson3400 I'm guessing you don't understand sarcasm
I’m sure they did a background check on the drivers 😂
😂😂😂
Today I was driving behind enough vehicles that had paper plates that I began to think that this is not really happening. But it was.
In recent weeks or months my observations of an un believable number on cars without any plates whatsoever.
Last summer I was made aware of a store that someone had stolen several of their highest priced drones by simply walking in and grabbing them, and running out the a waiting car which had no plates on it so the security cameras had no useful information to use to catch the thieves. Masks because of covid were of course part of the crime.
After learning about this is when I started watching all the cars without identifying markings
They seem to be the type of car you might guess. Blacked out windows and some other distinguishing features that are conveniently able to be seen as a particular type of defense mechanism that get called out when the car might be pulled over by police.
It’s not acceptable.
The police have given me tickets ages ago because of expired tabs. But I don’t think any of the cars I have looked at being ticketed along the roads seem to be missing the plates.
That’s BS.
There's going to be more than usual, as a lot of cars bought between 2020 and 2021 are "stimulus cars," some never registered "because lockdowns" Most legit buyers have registered, leaving the ones who bought less-than-legal still with paper tags.
Cool story bro
You just sound upset that you got caught lol
@@FordRangerClassics you sound like you got paper plates
@@Xevion ? I'm just shocked at how stupid that is
Vehicles should carry ONE license number for life as done in the UK. No temp tags etc. The US has many accumulated absurd laws.
It seems to me that this would be an arrestable offense. Falisfying government property is usually a crime in most states.
and whom would you arrest? the person says "the dealer gave me that tag"
@@mk8530prove it.
@@davidmorley7778 humm its not the accused burden to prove innocence and actually, it's the prosecution's burden to prove if someone is guilty. IE the prosecutor and the police would have to be the ones to PROVE the dealer didn't give someone a fraudulent tag
And, that would be a FELONY! Get these crooked scumbags OFF the streets!
@@davidmorley7778, Terrifying that your mind goes there first. We don't have to prove our innocence in the US. The government has to prove our guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
I think this problem has an easy fix; have the dealer issue the actual license plate. Since I bought my first new car in the 80's in Puerto Rico, the dealer put the official license plate immediately before I drove away. Today, they still do it that way. Another interesting fact is that in Puerto Rico, the license plate stays with the car forever until it goes to the junkyard to die. When you sell your used car, the registration has the license plate number which then changes to the new owner's name.
That's how it should be done!
There are some dealerships that do. I got my plate at a dealership one time. They had a stack of em piled up.
Yeah but then they have to make sure you have insurance and registration and that would mean they would sell less cars because most of these people cannot afford that nor do they intend to ever pay it. Greedy dealerships.
Cool. That might work there. But with the number of people and vehicles on the mainland,that's not feasible.
@@eddy3080 paid more there than at the dmv.
This is going on in every state.
Yep.
You're watching CBS Texas. Which is why they're not talking about other states lol
@@DizzleDog Correlation.
The part that they don't tell you is that all of the drivers, in every single state, all have the same skin color as well.
@@SergeantExtreme your just generalizing to be racist! Lots of people don’t want to pay their tag’s, all kinds of people for different reasons!
Why are they letting the drivers walk away? They should be in jail for at least a few weeks...
Not a good idea to scan a qr code with your personal phone when you don't know what it does or where it goes...
When more people are doing it, means they're not afraid of the consequences
or their poorer than you
Or the laws in place are dumb.
People are starting to not fear the government??
uh oh
Good! We need more of the people to not contract with the DMV. 👍
@@yoshiramar1992 Just ignorant. If you can afford a car, you can afford to register and insure it.
I have been seeing paper tags all over the place since COViD. I thought it was strange but makes sense people are using them to skip out on registration, insurance, and use stolen cars. I am sure there is a way to end this but all I can think is to get rid of the temp tags.
Can't make that assumption. Lots of state services were down during covid. I had a valid "expired" drivers license for over a year. I also had expired registration stickers for 6+ months. Hard to resolve issues like that when there's nobody handling those services. I'd be more apt to assume lots of cars are being sold post covid where people actually need to drive again.
What would work is a genuine crackdown. Just impounding the car is not a sufficient punishment; what is needed are felony charges and lengthy prison stretches for deliberately ignoring the law. Yeah, it would be expensive to jail a lot of perps, but as soon as word got out, there would be rush to the DMV to make your car legal. Just consider the expense of people not paying their tabs and insurance; the savings from that would pay for a lot of prison time.
@@freewill1114 There should be a fraud charge and a three-year sentence (non-reducible) for this fake license plate deception and cheating the public who get authentic plates for their car.
Either that or drop the requirement for vehicle registration but keep the insurance requirement. Why should your economic life be destroyed by some criminal who wipes out your car?
It’s unaffordable. Do you not realize how high rent is? They need to make SOMETHING affordable for the people! All this sht is BULLSHT! Raising everything EXCEPT PAY so people can at the very least AFFORD this sht!
@@kaybee5008 Exactly. They keep adjusting everything for inflation except for my salary.
This is a HUGE problem in Missouri. There are countless cars out on the road with what they call "temp tags" and are given to people when they buy their vehicles. They use that plate until their actual plate comes. The problem comes when a person doesn't pay the sales tax on a vehicle which isn't always collected at the time the vehicle is sold.
See how simple that would be to fix? It wouldn't change anything for private party sales but it would for dealership sales. Some of these temp tags are 2 and 3 years old yet they keep driving.
95% of the paper plates I see around here are expired months and sometimes years.
The way it’s always worked for me. If I buy a used car from a person, not a dealership, I would simply go to the DMV with a title and pick up tags or temp tags. If I sold a vehicle, I would take the tags off first. License plates are supposed to be a matter between you and your state DMV, not the buyer or seller.
It cost money and time, especially if the dmv's are like our's.
@@jjano2320 So what?
@@jjano2320 so does the charges after getting arrested🤔 you guys are some geniuses
I bought a used vehicle in a private parties sale. I just kept the license plates that were on it and the DMV updated their records. Simple.
apok, good advice, taking the tags off a car you sell. Hadn't thought of that angle.
In Portland, people don't use paper plates, metal plates or any type of plates. Just roll around in garbage dump, trashed out vehicles and the cops don't seem to care. It's truly incredible.
The cops cant do anything about it. The case will be thrown out by the DA and the person will be let out of jail with an apology and probably a free crack rock.
F A C T. I JUST DROVE UP I-5 IN PORTLAND AND COUNTED 7 VEHICLES WITH NO PLATE ON FRONT OR REAR OF VEHICLE.
Sounds about right.
Traffic stops are racist--you get what you vote for.
Makes me so glad I waste money on a registration that seemingly serves very little benefit to myself, especially when I must go get new plates as the old ones are stolen. Don't even get me started on the tinted plate covers...
The answer is to just not give out paper tags. The NYS DMV simply doesn't. If you register a car, you're getting metal plates that day. They take them directly from secure storage and hand them to you once you settle up.
Temp. plates are a result of poorly written laws by legislators who believe they are more knowledgeable than they actually are.
Unintended consequences result from poorly thought out laws. Very common in Texas.
Here in Hawaii, people put out of state tags on their vehicles, knowing full well police won’t bother pulling them over because of the amount of paperwork involved!
Oklahoma has this same problem. It is rampant. I cant go 10 miles down the road without seeing an expired temporary tag. It's super rare for me to see a temporary tag that is not expired.
A simple 10 minute drive in Tulsa County and you'll pass at LEAST 10 cars that have heavy damage on them and have not been repaired.
That is a huge signal of no insurance
Insurance will not insure a damaged/inoperable vehicle
What does TDP do?
Nothing
GOOD! We need more people not falling for the scam of the DMV, driving at liberty!
Man most of us citizens know this has been going on for years and years. I see these all of the time. In fact, many don't even care that the date is expired on the fake tag. I even see people driving cars with no tag at all. They rarely get stopped. Glad to see GP PD is doing something about it.
As a non-US person, I completely don't understand the concept of "paper" plates. Where I live, one must obtain a state-issued "solid metal" plate for a vehicle; no one else is even allowed to make them privately. A car without such a plate won't last on the street longer than it takes for a police officer to see it.
I live in MA and the DMV started issuing temp/paper plates during the pandemic due to the backlog. It is already a problem here. I purchased a car vehicle recently in NC which I brought back to MA. I was pulled over within the first week because they wanted to check if my temp plates were real. I showed them my paperwork and insurance and was on my way. I totally understood the reason and see it to be a problem. Glad theyre cracking down!
Sounds like an illegal stop to me....
‘Ghosts cars’ are not an issue at all in Australia. The motor vehicle departments Down Under _never_ issue these truly idiotic temporary paper plates at all, which naturally lends itself to routine abuse. A used car which is sold by a private seller, or a car dealer, must *always* have present the front and rear registration plates, in good condition, before the car can be driven at all. The same applies to new cars sold by car dealers.
Moreover, the Australian police take missing, damaged and defaced rego plates very seriously. Rego plates laws are strictly enforced. You can only drive a car with a missing rego plate, probably due to theft, immediately to the DMV in order to have new plates issued. Every office has a supply of new rego plates.
The ghost car issue, which is entirely avoidable, is purely an American problem of their own creation. It just does not happen in other countries which approach these fundamental car registration matters in a far more sound, robust and decisive manner.
same thing in AZ did get pull over, the paper tag for me was my plate number.
Yeah lived in mass many yrs. It's very corrupt state they stay upp all nite try to figure out how they can screw you......got the he'll out of that sht hole..........😇
@@user-kc1tf7zm3byou live in a nanny state. worst place for a car enthusiast or someone with an sense of autonomy to live next to california would be australia
Here in NY we don't have paper plates. The car dealerships have sets of plates that they assign you when you buy a car and they register it for you. So much easier.
And this makes perfect sense. Although it doesn't account for private sales, it DOES make sense.
@@bobw7018 Private sales you either tow it to your house for storage or you go to DMV before you can move it. It's that simple. Of course, there are DMVs all over the place in NY and they are state run, unlike many other states.
@@theramblingzone that's something that NY seems to be very good about i believe. Making the DMV accessible. Now wait times may be another story, depending where you are.
That’s because Texas is slow as hell. When you first move here they give you a temporary ID or driver’s license printed on office paper. 🤦🏽♂️
@Albo alt some states are like that. Some notaries can marry you. I’m a notary in NY and the only thing I can do is give an oath and witness the signing of a document. I can also be a court reporter if I so choose
I live in Everett,Wa. and I see paper Texas tags on quite a few vehicles in my area.
I am guessing many of those fake license plates are people trying to avoid paying state tax on their vehicles registration.
I live in Canada and when you buy a car here you go to the MOT (ministry of transportation) and show bill of sale, a sellers package, and you get the vehicle transferred into your name and get metal plates right then and there. No opportunity to even deal with a "temp" paper plate.
Here in Australia you get metal “dealer plates” on an unlicensed vehicle from an actual dealer, to test drive in, dealers include proper licence fees in the cost and car will be plated properly when you pick it up from the lot. An unlicensed vehicle should only be driven to the license & inspection centre where it gets safety checked before you pay for the registration and receive the metal plates. 99% of sellers register cars before selling them privately.
There are temporary paper permits in at least some provinces, but typically only for "in transit" situations, not for temporary use until the real plate arrives.
It was that way in the States in like the 70’s. Everything is online now. DMV doesn’t even see your face but once a decade.
@Nunya Bitnezz I don't know about other provinces, but in Alberta you never need to go to a registry agent for a vehicle license again once you have your plate... but you need a plate.
You still do in the United States. The problem is people buy these of individuals. Then never transfer the title. Either due to can't get an inspection done or an outstanding ticket prevents them from it....
And this is not Canada.. Where they deem you a terrorist trucker. They take your bank account...
When I lived just outside of Austin in Pflugerville, I knew people that kept getting paper tags for cars and trucks parked on the private property of a mobile home park. Because these were on private property the police could do nothing about it and towing companies didn't want to get involved when the property manager asked for the vehicles to be removed as abandoned.
This is such a big problem in many states.
I used to live in Pfluegerville!
Pflugerville is basically Austin, especially south Pflugerville. Just cross 35 and you're in Austin
No problem at all! I do a form of this. 👍
A possible solution is to get vehicle sales businesses to have or become a title agent. Here in Louisiana they can renew a driver's license and perform car registrations including issuing license plates. They also require insurance companies to report auto policies that expire.
If you are ever in an accident, make you you take a photo of the VIN of the other car. It is usually visible through the windshield on the dashboard on the drivers side. It may be obscured (intentionally?) by papers and stuff on the dashboard. You can ASK the person the clear the view of the VIN, but stay safe if you get bad vibes.
I drove around on BS tags with no license for years. Looking at the consequences of it I def saved a lot of money compared to inspections, insurance, etc, but I am very glad to have finally gotten my life together. It's a good feeling to not have to worry about jumping out of a moving vehicle every time an Officer gets behind me. All legit from here on out, the stress just isn't worth it, if I had gotten into an accident I would have been in big trouble.
good for you. looking over your shoulder sucks.
TBH, they should do away with the tag fees and raise the gas tax instead. That way you're only paying based on how much you drive, and people who put less wear and tear on the road won't have to pay as much as people who drive three story gas guzzling pickup trucks 500 miles a week. People who only own very lightweight vehicles, and don't drive much, are contributing almost nothing to road wear. It's stupid to threaten them with vehicle forfeiture unless they pay extortionate fees every single year.
What prevented you from getting insurance? You can have a vehicle with the correct tags and legitimately registered and it not be insured
@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath Drugs
@@stephenhood2948What drugs have the insurance side affect?
Add arrest, jail time, and a very steep fines to who ever used the illegal tag or plates, as long as the punishment of the crime is weak, people will always abuse the system.
I'm surprised you didn't call for the death penalty on this one lol
people are getting sold cheaper stolen cars is the problem. These people could be innocent.
need to make sure the issuing part is locked up first. Once they put into place an easily verifiable system so drivers know it's a scam and they have no wiggle room in court, them tack on , fines, jail time and license suspensions. First offense fine, 2nd fine and jail time, third, fine, jail time and license suspension.
We're living with a mass population of illegal immigrants who love to break the law and they are not held accountable.
System make money ..they don't care about safety....they care about safety free money in hygienes pocket..legal corrupters ..like modern cartels....govements think we peopleblind and stupid😅
How prevalent is this? I bought my wife a slightly used car from a popular DFW car dealer. We live about 75 miles from DFW. Everything was normal about the transaction, about 3 weeks after the purchase we received the plates in the mail and I installed them on her car. I threw the temporary tags in the trash and about a month later we received a bill from the Texas Toll System out of DFW. In a rural area someone had stolen that temporary tag out of our trash and stuck it on another car and ran up a pretty substantial toll bill. We called the toll authority and once they realized the photo their cameras had captured was obviously not the car the temp tag was registered to, they cancelled what we would have owed them.
I live in an apartment complex outside Houston and I see many paper tags on vehicles in the parking lot. I was informed by the police that even if they find a fake one, they cannot do anything as the vehicle is on private property and not being driven on a public street. The property manager does not address the issue as all they care about is collecting rent...
I live and work here in Dallas and I actually made a comment to my girlfriend a while ago noticing the influx of paper plates on cars, crazy to think most of those were probably ghost cars
They should do away with those temporary paper plates in the states that issue them and nationwide. Here in New York where we DO NOT issue them, they are also a nuisance. I see so many vehicles with them from other states including New Jersey breaking all kinds of traffic laws. Speeding and red light cameras don't stop them because the plates are fake.
About a month ago I stopped at a red light here in So. Calif. and the car in front of me had a paper plate that said it expired in 2018! Wow! I had heard about this but never experienced seeing one until then. Yes, they are everywhere.
Besides insurance the rest of it really doesn't boil down to our safety. It boils down to your money.
Insurance and also identifying a vehicle in situations like hit and run
@Drip Skee that doesn't make you safer though
I see that the black population is over-present again
@@KingLarbear how not? So you scum can drive on roads without insurance, more than likely a criminal record
Safety inspections are also a thing.
Also, I'd attest that someone driving a car with one of these is much more prone to drive a lot more carelessly. Someone who's a lot less worried about consequences is a lot more prone to road rage, brake check you, flee an accident, etc.
I used to know a guy that rented a little corner lot, got a dealer license and would buy cheap cars and lease them out to people in the neighborhood and would get legal dealer paper tags for them! when they expired every 90 days, he would just get updated ones provided they made their monthly payments! He was the ghetto Robinhood of my soutside neighborhood😂
Wish my dealership would do that
What a great idea!
How is that like Robinhood? Dudes just helping people break the law
@NG.. Im guessing you're young and dont know who Robinhood is, so I'll give you a short kevin cosner version. That way, i dont insult you with the disney version. Robinhood steals the money back that was lawfully taxed by the acting king of England. so, by your explanation, "helping people break the law" is exactly what Robinhood does!
@@dzknutzzz3449 don’t patronize me, of course I know who Robin Hood is. We have vehicle registration laws for many good reasons, it’s not even remotely comparable to frivolous taxation.
I really don't understand the logic of this system. Here in the UK (and most other countries) the car is sold new with plates already attached and registered to it and they stay with the car until it is scrapped or someone wants to use a personalised/vanity plate.
We have a lot of Texas plate in Nj who drives forever without inspection and changing their plate to NJ, is that same gang. I have personally seen many dealers plate hanging. Is that legal
Contract workers go to where the jobs are. They do not change their residency. Same with some college students. I was confused when I had a truck plated in maryland, yet, was a resident of another state, but the vehicle did not leave that state, until, covid. The laws make this confusing.
I personally experienced an encounter here in Colorado. A migrant driving a car with a fake Texas paper plate collided with me. He supposedly didn’t speak English and had no drivers license nor insurance. He was cited for reckless driving and having no license. As far as I know he didn’t appear in court.
If we'd close the border, jail and then deport people for being illegals, many fewer American lives would be ruined or lost.
Yeah, if only we had like a 30 ft wall at the border, that guy wouldn't have run into you ... 🧐
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Similar thing happened to my sister in Seattle. She was t-boned by a guy and he was cited on the spot. Fast fwd one week: She gets a notice she's being sued by the guy. The case actually went to court and everyone - incl his lawyer and interpreter - were there. Where was the driver? Who knows? Back to whence he came
States that grant them driver's license don't usually have this problem.
“The truck would follow us around if this is all we did” perfect, I support this. It’s much better than being a speed trap
There is a lot of wanted persons driving these vehicles, and there will be more because they won't pay the tickets.
It should be illegal. Cars should NOT leave the lot without real metal plates and insurance. Even if you buy it cash, you must have liability insurance and real plates before driving of the dealer's lot!
Here in California, especially in the city where I live, you can see as many cars with fake paper plates or nothing at all, running red lights or making illegal turns.
My wife and I have typically bought used vehicles from people we know. Vehicle comes with license plates. While that is the majority of our vehicle purchases, we have bought from the used lot of a new car dealership, used car dealers, an auction, and even Facebook Marketplace. We've personally never had more than one temporary, paper tag on any vehicle we've bought. We've always gotten proper metal license plates and paperwork before the temporary tags expire, where applicable.
However, we know people who've bought vehicles at "buy here, pay here" lots and some have been given a string of temporary paper tags, one after the other, until the car is paid off. The used car lot, in some instances, refuses to provide proper registration & title until every last dollar of the installment payment is made. The correct thing to do is to issue the title to the buyer and put a lein on the car until it is paid in full. But issuing a string of temporary tags is how they prefer to do it.
I've also seen ads on OfferUp for temporary tags. Nowadays the ads are often titled something else entirely, but in the picture and buried in the description, you can see they're really selling temporary tags. I've sent one or two such listings to a friend who works in law enforcement.
I think the mills turning out the temporary tags and the used car lots refusing to issue proper documents until the automobile is fully paid should be the subject of scrutiny by law enforcement. The drivers should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis - some are clearly complicit, and others, victims of unscrupulous used car dealers.
My 2 cents.
right on. arnt there laws that a vehicle has to be titled and registered a certain time after purchased
Not every state works the same way. In New York State when you buy a car you bring your license plates. You never let anybody take yours.
Because if they get a ticket you get the bill because it’s your plate.
"Vehicle comes with license plates. "
Plates are not transferable.
Shady dealers and shady financing has a lot to do with this.
The buy here pay here dont give up the title,which makes them the owner. This comes into play if the person doesn't pay! They can legally repo the car. They still have the only title and registration!
A couple of things could help this. First; separate the Registration from the Inspection Sticker. There is no reason for them to be linked. Second; separate the Insurance requirement, from the registration. Leave the Insurance requirement connected to the Inspection Sticker.
It used to be that way...
It seems to me that when I was a kid & the metal dealer's plate one had after purchasing a car until the permanent plate was available, was far more difficult to use fraudulently than a paper plate. I remember when I first starting seeing paper plates that it didn't seem legit & way to easy to commit fraud.
why aren't the drivers of these cars get arrested???
My dad was a cop. Fake paper tags were a pet peeve of his. Every time he saw some old hooptie rolling around with a faded paper tag he’d pull them over right away. Always had an expired tag underneath. He said if you really want to fix them impound the car. Only the registered owner can pick it up and these drivers never bothered to register it in their own name, it belongs to the guy they bought it from.
Can he go to the hood and fight dangerous criminals instead?
@@jonc2914He did that plenty. Phony paper tags were just a hobby.
@@MrJeffcoley1 ya right haha
@@jonc2914 I’m guessing you’ve rbeen an involuntary passenger in a cop car more than once
@@MrJeffcoley1 nope, never have. But I see you love boot all you can lick buffets.
Solution to this in PA is, you must have a physical metal plate in addition to the printed temporary registration tag. It’s law that all cars unless purchased out of state have a metal tag.
Only problem is nobody enforces it i live in PA and i see cars with paper temp tags in the windows all the time with no metal plate
And in Philly i see cars with no tags at all just driving around.
Easy to bypass
‘Ghosts cars’ are not an issue at all in Australia. The motor vehicle departments Down Under _never_ issue these truly idiotic temporary paper plates at all, which naturally lends itself to routine abuse. A used car which is sold by a private seller, or a car dealer, must *always* have present the front and rear registration plates, in good condition, before the car can be driven at all. The same applies to new cars sold by car dealers.
Moreover, the Australian police take missing, damaged and defaced rego plates very seriously. Rego plates laws are strictly enforced. You can only drive a car with a missing rego plate, probably due to theft, immediately to the DMV in order to have new plates issued. Every office has a supply of new rego plates.
The ghost car issue, which is entirely avoidable, is purely an American problem of their own creation. It just does not happen in other countries which approach these fundamental car registration matters in a far more sound, robust and decisive manner.
nj here. if you have a metal plate, why do u need a paper one?
The police state of America never ends 😆😆
I live in Georgia and the tow truck driver shows a lot of temporary Texas tags
Paper tags were important when registration was entirely paper-driven. But the real reason was for car dealers to get a "drive-away" sale at night or weekend, and immediately title the car to prevent a customer not returning or to make an end run on buyer's remorse. Once the wheels cross the curb, it's yours. In Europe and many other countries, you register for metal tags before the car leaves the lot, for new factory orders they will issue documents for tags two weeks or so before delivery of the car. If car's unregistered for over 30 days, you return plates to DMV. Car only moves by trailer until this happens. You can get temporary, "delivery plates" but the process is the same ....they ar usually green or red, ugly and have a large expiration date stamped into the tag.
Yet another fine example of how criminals do not and will not obey laws. Make as many laws as you like…the weight of them only fall upon we who obey them.
Stop wasting your money! Unless you are in commerce and are using a license plate, it's your right to control an automobile on the PUBLIC ROADS payed for by TAXES. You don't need a license, plate, insurance, or registration for an automobile unless it's a "vehicle" that is "transporting" goods or people in commerce! Rights, we are born with them and they are God given, live on
Many people who do this are citizens. Several cops have been arrested for speeding, crashing and breaking traffic laws while off duty
It's more that this is only going to effect poor people, not rich people who couldnt give a hoot about 2000$
@@ethano8225 Rich or poor, it's still wrong.
@@mikem5475 Thats correct They cant require you to register your vehicle. read Texas Trans Code 502.003. Registration by a political subdivision prohibited. ITS a Scam If they tow the vehicle its theft
This is actually a profitable venture for the police. Most of these cars will never be bailed out of impound and become state property to be auctioned off.
Everything the police does is for profits.
If people would register the vehicles this wouldn’t be. It’s profitable for people that don’t want to do the right thing, register and carry insurance.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s I’m all for wrongdoers getting reamed. Don’t see this as a bad thing at all.
That's why you air tag or hide a burn phone with tracker app in it, so you can find it again later, and take it back.
Cars should come with permanent plates, that cannot be removed.
This problem is even bigger in AZ. I must pass at least 50 such tagged vehicles every morning on the way to work (15 miles).
A little story: I used to live in St. Louis, a place where people were driving wrecked cars barely safe to be in. Most of those vehicles were stolen, and most police just didn’t care. But here in Dallas, the same situation prevails everywhere. But I will say, these officers out here are ruling with an iron fist.
It's called Texas. Not a lot of tolerance for illegal stuff
Traffic enforcement should be a priority for all Police dept. nationwide
@@markswiftwhat chasing a car risking lives to write a ticket? Ya that makes a lot of sense
@@Jbmc65Yea. It's pretty much a form of revenue. How tf do you think departments make money?
i live in Dallas county and its getting out of hand with these paper tags man. We pay too much for insurance to have these uninsured drivers not adding to the insurance pool
this is a huge problem in Cleveland, too. It started here when Covid began. They refuse to pull them over here.
Same, no plate no insurance
Yep. Inconvenient demographics.
A fake plate since 2018!? These criminals save so much money not having insurance for 6 years while they have the paper plate, it costs them next to nothing to get the car out of impound.
I pay the dealership hundreds of dollars in “fees” and they give me a paper plate, then 3-6 weeks or more later the state mails me permanent plates. If dealerships are agents of the state, collecting fees and entering ownership information into a database, why can’t dealers issue a permanent plate at the time of sale? A minimum wage employee at Wal-mart can issue a fishing license but a car dealership can’t issue a license plate.
I've never understood these people or the blacked out plate people. It's like screaming "please pull me over". I suspect these people are simply stupid. As they pointed out the guy that fled had warrants. This will be the default assumption of any officer.
In the East coast, it's to avoid tolls.
Stop wasting your money! Unless you are in commerce and are using a license plate, it's your right to control an automobile on the PUBLIC ROADS payed for by TAXES. You don't need a license, plate, insurance, or registration for an automobile unless it's a "vehicle" that is "transporting" goods or people in commerce! Rights, we are born with them and they are God given, live on
@@mikem5475 I know and they know the odds of getting stopped are slim, ... VERY slim.
@@StevieWonder737 you should be educated on exercising rights just in case you're stopped. It can go horribly wrong if you're not educated properly on the subject
@@mikem5475 It can but if the car is properly licensed it's highly unlikely you're going to get stopped at random.
And there is me getting pulled over 5 minutes after buying a car to get it home.
And if it is a legitimate purchase what is your big deal with it?
That sounds like something that would happen to me 😅
its so funny i bought a car i just wanted to drive it home without a plate, i was probably driving 1 or 2 blocks and got pulled over, how these people can drive for years without getting caught is mindblowing
Cops are more and more petty, they need to focus on real crime not some fake tags or some road racing! Go solve a murder, help someone out for a change! They use to protect and serve now they charge and penalize for next to nothing!
@@MrTottanham : You do know that if you've just bought a car, that you are allowed to take it to wherever you live? That includes being behind the wheel, as long as you have the Bill of Sale, a Tendered Offer, and a Receipt, that shows when you bought the car, how much you paid for it, and the fact the title has been signed over to you.
I bought a motorcycle that was a ghost. Had not been registered in 4 years since someone bought it in NC.
It did come with the title, so I was able to get the bike registered. Cost an extra $160 or so for a bond and a VIN inspection and a lot more trips to the County and State offices. But it is legal now and I paid well under value for it because it was not registered.
This is certainly not just Texas! This is in New York, Newark, New Jersey, for example California, Oregon everywhere! And they say ghost guns are a problem. There’s probably 5000 to one ratio.
I really dislike the wording of the statement about "Your insurance will take the hit" .... Literally had a woman ruin my life by pulling through 5 lines of traffic with her lights off. Yeah im blessed to be alive but she did not give a flying fuck. She went all in - my insurance is still fucking me 2 years later.
women huh? what do they ever do right?
4 hrs off the lot. She called her insurance right after and was able to have it for herself. None the less, off a dealership lot - its not ecpected by law enforcement for you to have insurance
Paper tags should be prohibited. No exceptions.
I guess that’s why in Massachusetts they didn’t issue temporary paper plates until just recently, i wonder how long that will last?
People were doing this with the dealership tags buying them and pretending the car was "new" or registered. Now with the DMV forcing temporary tags people are just making copies of tags and doing the same thing
Yeah this ain't nothing new, just the paper plate has evolved. At least back then the dealership would get some free advertising outta it 😅
My wife got a used car (from a shady "dealership" where the main office was a run down trailer on the lot...) a while back that didn't have any plates on it, which I thought was strange but the dealer said they were out of state and expired so he had to take them off. After a few weeks of driving around without plates (the guy said he'd file the paperwork and get the plates sent to the apartment ... for an additional fee of course ... but he sent them to the wrong address), she got pulled over but was let go with an apology when the cop saw the temporary registration taped to the back window. At the same time, a coworker had just gotten a brand new car and replaced the dealer plates with DMV ones, so I talked her into giving me the dealer plates to put on my wife's car so she wouldn't get pulled over again while we waited for the real plates (that would never come, of course, but that was a whole other thing to deal with).
Living in Houston. I'm amazed everyday when I see those paper plates that are long expired. Some so old you can't even see the writing on them. Like the one cop said, they could ride around doing that all day long. That's truth!
Wow, how amazing for you.
@@Fido-vm9zi you must be one of those uninsured drivers... Wait, I'm giving you too much credit, saying you have a car lol
I remember I moved to Houston from Nashville I was stopped at least twice within the first 2 months because of TN tags and given a warning I needed to get Texas tags.
@@12TribeTone i have commercial insurance myself but maybe more people would have insurance if they didn't have to pay hundreds every year in taxes and registration on top of the fuel taxes they pay every time they fill up.
@@alecb8509 you gotta pay to play. we can't receive the luxuries from previous taxes paid and not pitch in our fair share
*I have a ghost car. Every month after the car payment I get this ghastly feeling that leaves me shuddering. After the gas fill-up my wallet is a scary thing to see.*
The Supreme Court has ruled several times that we don't have to have State plates or State driver's licenses to travel on our roadways.
Ban paper plates. Drivers buying vehicles should be transferring plates from the previous. Speed up the process to get plates on brand new vehicles. Just get rid of paper plates altogether.
I don't think banning paper plates is practical. While most of our vehicles were bought from friends and came with metal license plates, a couple of vehicles we bought came from used car lots and one was even bought at auction. No metal plates in the latter instances. We had to get paper, temporary tags with the vehicles bought at used car dealers.
The auction vehicle was the most fun! I had to rebuild the car and get it inspected in order to get it registered properly with metal license plates and a windshield sticker issued. In order for it to pass inspection, it first had to be driven at both city and highway speeds for the OBD2 self-diagnostics to complete and the computer to say "ready for inspection". Not possible to do in our apartment complex parking lot. I say we probably need a 48-hr tag that says the vehicle is insured and mechanically sound but is being driven only to verify repairs and for the vehicle's emissions systems self-diagnosis procedures to complete before the vehicle is re-inspected and cleared to be properly licensed.
"Speed up the process" on government work? Hahahahaha
‘Ghosts cars’ are not an issue at all in Australia. The motor vehicle departments Down Under _never_ issue these truly idiotic temporary paper plates at all, which naturally lends itself to routine abuse. A used car which is sold by a private seller, or a car dealer, must *always* have present the front and rear registration plates, in good condition, before the car can be driven at all. The same applies to new cars sold by car dealers.
Moreover, the Australian police take missing, damaged and defaced rego plates very seriously. Rego plates laws are strictly enforced. You can only drive a car with a missing rego plate, probably due to theft, immediately to the DMV in order to have new plates issued. Every office has a supply of new rego plates.
The ghost car issue, which is entirely avoidable, is purely an American problem of their own creation. It just does not happen in other countries which approach these fundamental car registration matters in a far more sound, robust and decisive manner.
The ghost plates originated in Texas in 2014. You used to able to buy them via email for 50 bucks. NY bought attention to the problem because they were loosing their bridge and toll money. Texas didnt focus on pulling people over until this year.
They cant require you to register your vehicle. read Texas Trans Code 502.003. Registration by a political subdivision prohibited. ITS a Scam If they tow the vehicle its theft
This will be one of the few times I reference a good idea from Saudi ( I am a contractor, not a saudi). But here, the License plates Stay with the car and the owner registers themselves to the tags. You can not close the sale on the car unless your name gets attached with your license to the license plate.
This is the first I've heard of this.
same
Like others have mentioned - Canada did away with paper plates over a decade ago - If you bought it from a "person" you walk into our DMV ( Service Ontario or equivalent for other provinces) Plunk down your $100 or so and walk out with plates if the sellr did a safety - If you bought it from a dealer it is the dealers' job to send someone down to our DMV and plunk down the $100 for the plates.
For a person the line is typically 20 min - There are dedicated tellers for dealers and they are typically in and out in 5...
No safety - No plate - If you have done your safety in your driveway, it still has to be towed to where a licensed mechanic looks it over and gives their John Henry and then you to and get your plate.
It used to be you could get a 15-day paper plate to get work done for safety - No longer.
Yea that’s not how easy it works here in the states unfortunately! Most places of not all, getting an appt at the dmv (if your able to get one) takes weeks or months & when you finally do get one your guaranteed to be at the DMV ALL DAY LONG regardless of your reason for being there. It’s pathetic actually
why is that relevant this video is about Texas?
Yea.. And in Canada your Government deems you a Trucker Terrorist. Then they seize your bank accounts. Till you bend a knee to the New World Order...
Obviously the punishment for doing this isn't enough. Instead of walking away, something involving handcuffs is needed. This is a premeditated, multi law breaking issue.
Only problem with that is some of these people are buying the cars thinking it's on the up and up. Some just lie about getting the car. No way to know which is which for sure other then take away the car. A database of people caught doing this would help, but it's a expensive start.
Obviously the police are complete overreacting snowflakes crying about having to do their job which modern technology already automates for them.