@@RetroHoopCollectibles as a long time supporter of sgc>psa I myself hope bgs comes back in a better way to combat these crooks within psa . From damaged and lost items to upcharges and nda's the thought to wanna do buisness with psa is the hobby longtime use for value only is not a reason for a company to be best option. We the hobby need to support anyone before psa to combat the lunatic empire dictatorship. Imo right now ive stopped all subs to investigate and research tag grading for possible usage but would love bgs to comeback super strong.
PSA is gonna get sued. When you buy raw cards, you have no idea whether a card has been "doctored" and they can't prove you are the one who did it. I'd love to see them try "turning someone in" and get the pants sued off them.
That paragraph would be aimed at submitters who have shown a direct and continuous pattern of attempting to submit doctored cards... and I say "would be" because personally, I suspect this is nothing more than PSA engaging in some good ol' fashioned CYA... cover your as...s.
What other game in town is there Bay?? I agree with you I’m not happy about using PSA but if you’re looking to grade in order to maximize value…there isn’t any other game in town.
Very true the only way to make there card prices go down and for them to go down is do what people did to Beckett. Use other grading companies. PSA is over priced and over rated there slabs aren't that great anyways. There card prices are also over priced.
I just recently got back into the hobby and started grading with SGC. Mostly due to the clear monopoly of psa and wanting to be a rebel. It is definitely disappointing to see identical cards in psa slabs out selling my cards, but I still prefer the SGC slabs. It's not all bad though. I recently sold 2 Aaron Judge/Tyler Austin RC topps heritage cards, SGC 10s, for $95 and $90 which are more than some of the recent PSA 10 sales. The crazy thing is neither of my sales show up on market movers or even in ebay sales history. I have a suspension that PSA is making ebay suppress sales history that isn't good for psa, just my opinion.
Its worth losing % of profit to go to SGC . Especially if its keeps me outta jail 😂. Keep putting content out Omar, I like your videos because I know I m getting a straight up real answer not a fake.👍🏻
High grading fees and ridiculous upcharging, kills a good percentage of the return on the flip. So that 10 yields the same margin as an SGC 10. Some people are so dumb for this hobby.
Re-backing is a doctoring method that has been mainly used in the vintage Magic The Gathering cards market... remove the backside of a worthless card and attach it to the backside of a much more valuable card, making it look pristine.
@marcusbrooks7861 I tend to agree. But at the end of the day if it isn’t a vintage card in a SGC slab there is no reason to grade with them. It used to be that grading with SCG was “raging against the machine” in a way. But now since they’re under the umbrella and part of the “empire” there isn’t any reason to go there.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles i agree. i used to try and gather nice looking cards and was okay to send in random $20-$40 just to get graded and support SGC. now that SGC is under that umbrella if it's not over $75 I won't send it in anymore. I'm not a hardcore collector so my 3-4 subs a year will be once every year, maybe two years now. If they raise prices, probably will just collect raw.
@@kly1994: Just buy the cards you want in the grade you want. It’s a lot cheaper than busting these days. Just isn’t worth it, especially if fees begin to increase again.
Yeah PSA. We are paying you to determine all the doctoring or altering ect. Not me/us. Want me/us to determine that then ok all my cards are PSA 10s. Slab them up and send them back now 👍🏼
I agree Daniel but what they did here is actually call it something different. They’re calling it doctoring which is different from altering. And that’s what they’re categorizing in these terms.
It's sad that the hobby has gotten to this point.. If PSA don't want to be liable if something gets pass them, then how can they truly be liable of the grade they assign any card?? If they are pissing and moaning down to wiping finger prints off, they got more problems than just big issues as well..
So ‘declared value’ is no longer the ‘insured value’….time to call Batman. Sounds like they are cutting costs/improving profits…..possibly get ready for an IPO or resell to another private equity.
Most people who take this crap from PSA, are usually desperate to turn a quick profit. I’ve never sent any cards to PSA, and never will. I remember when they used to hand-out 10s like candy corns at the end of October. The cards could’ve been 70/30 at centering, given a 10, and slapped with a qualifier. Keep getting gouged by these now corporate scammers. With this updated TOS, don’t be surprised if some batches of submissions start to conveniently become lost. They’ll pay-you-off to what there think it’s worth, then auction or sell it and reap the profits. This is all a sophisticated scam to suck every dollar they can from money-hungry flippers.
I’m ok with them stating they’ll be using their card ladder. But where are they pulling their “data” from. It’s just a sad update to their TOS that could have been avoided with better explanation.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles SGC. You were one of the first people I started to watch and gave SGC all the best reviews. So after doing more research, and reviews, I decided to grade with SGC and haven't looked back as their quick turn arounds, Slab look and feel, and prices are the best for me.
So no more altered grade? You just go right to jail...lmao. Damn. Guess i wont be sending anything and all my collecting was a complete waste of time. Ouch...
BGS is Best!
you dont really believe that do you???
@@RetroHoopCollectibles lol
@@RetroHoopCollectibles as a long time supporter of sgc>psa I myself hope bgs comes back in a better way to combat these crooks within psa . From damaged and lost items to upcharges and nda's the thought to wanna do buisness with psa is the hobby longtime use for value only is not a reason for a company to be best option. We the hobby need to support anyone before psa to combat the lunatic empire dictatorship. Imo right now ive stopped all subs to investigate and research tag grading for possible usage but would love bgs to comeback super strong.
PSA is gonna get sued. When you buy raw cards, you have no idea whether a card has been "doctored" and they can't prove you are the one who did it. I'd love to see them try "turning someone in" and get the pants sued off them.
That paragraph would be aimed at submitters who have shown a direct and continuous pattern of attempting to submit doctored cards... and I say "would be" because personally, I suspect this is nothing more than PSA engaging in some good ol' fashioned CYA... cover your as...s.
I have a solution.... QUIT USING PSA!!!!
F.A.C.T's
Exactly
What other game in town is there Bay?? I agree with you I’m not happy about using PSA but if you’re looking to grade in order to maximize value…there isn’t any other game in town.
Very true the only way to make there card prices go down and for them to go down is do what people did to Beckett. Use other grading companies. PSA is over priced and over rated there slabs aren't that great anyways. There card prices are also over priced.
Ricklee I agree but who is the question??
LOL just asking for lawsuits!
I just recently got back into the hobby and started grading with SGC. Mostly due to the clear monopoly of psa and wanting to be a rebel. It is definitely disappointing to see identical cards in psa slabs out selling my cards, but I still prefer the SGC slabs. It's not all bad though. I recently sold 2 Aaron Judge/Tyler Austin RC topps heritage cards, SGC 10s, for $95 and $90 which are more than some of the recent PSA 10 sales. The crazy thing is neither of my sales show up on market movers or even in ebay sales history. I have a suspension that PSA is making ebay suppress sales history that isn't good for psa, just my opinion.
well thats an interesting take....i'm curious to look into that. Thanks for the heads up
So paying off influencers with giving out higher grades than they do for the common man doesn’t count as unethical behavior??? PSA sucks ass
Its worth losing % of profit to go to SGC . Especially if its keeps me outta jail 😂. Keep putting content out Omar, I like your videos because I know I m getting a straight up real answer not a fake.👍🏻
I appreciate that bro.
High grading fees and ridiculous upcharging, kills a good percentage of the return on the flip. So that 10 yields the same margin as an SGC 10. Some people are so dumb for this hobby.
PSA just admitted their graders aren't skilled enough to do their jobs and grade correctly.
Does PSA know what happened to the scammers at PWCC? Nothing happened to them right?
Re-backing is a doctoring method that has been mainly used in the vintage Magic The Gathering cards market... remove the backside of a worthless card and attach it to the backside of a much more valuable card, making it look pristine.
Thanks for the info!
This makes no sense if you go and buy a card somewhere and you don't know that it was and you send it to them it's not your fault
You'll simply get questioned
Funny as if they are the be all.
theyre definetly #1
I love sgc
SGC is far more consistent than PSA.
@marcusbrooks7861 I tend to agree. But at the end of the day if it isn’t a vintage card in a SGC slab there is no reason to grade with them. It used to be that grading with SCG was “raging against the machine” in a way. But now since they’re under the umbrella and part of the “empire” there isn’t any reason to go there.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles i agree. i used to try and gather nice looking cards and was okay to send in random $20-$40 just to get graded and support SGC. now that SGC is under that umbrella if it's not over $75 I won't send it in anymore. I'm not a hardcore collector so my 3-4 subs a year will be once every year, maybe two years now. If they raise prices, probably will just collect raw.
@@kly1994: Just buy the cards you want in the grade you want. It’s a lot cheaper than busting these days. Just isn’t worth it, especially if fees begin to increase again.
Yeah PSA. We are paying you to determine all the doctoring or altering ect. Not me/us. Want me/us to determine that then ok all my cards are PSA 10s. Slab them up and send them back now 👍🏼
I do what i want with my cards. If it's got some shit in it, i'll clean it. To me, altering is trimming, colouring, adding creams etc
I agree Daniel but what they did here is actually call it something different. They’re calling it doctoring which is different from altering. And that’s what they’re categorizing in these terms.
It's sad that the hobby has gotten to this point.. If PSA don't want to be liable if something gets pass them, then how can they truly be liable of the grade they assign any card?? If they are pissing and moaning down to wiping finger prints off, they got more problems than just big issues as well..
It’s a slippery slope my friend. I agree with you
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
PSA cant add grader notes but sure hell can snitch on you 🤣🖐👮🚔💀
😂😂😂.
So ‘declared value’ is no longer the ‘insured value’….time to call Batman. Sounds like they are cutting costs/improving profits…..possibly get ready for an IPO or resell to another private equity.
Or they have cash flow problems
If I submitted cards for grading, it would ruin the hobby for me.
I would make sure to pay with a credit card and if they kept my money without grading it, I would just do a chargeback. Boooyaaahhh!
oh you smart smart LOL
Haha, what about PSA grading all these fake stickers?
You got an article or something I can read up on this? Sounds very interesting
Most people who take this crap from PSA, are usually desperate to turn a quick profit. I’ve never sent any cards to PSA, and never will. I remember when they used to hand-out 10s like candy corns at the end of October. The cards could’ve been 70/30 at centering, given a 10, and slapped with a qualifier. Keep getting gouged by these now corporate scammers. With this updated TOS, don’t be surprised if some batches of submissions start to conveniently become lost. They’ll pay-you-off to what there think it’s worth, then auction or sell it and reap the profits. This is all a sophisticated scam to suck every dollar they can from money-hungry flippers.
SGC is good for your personal collection and you don’t a holder that looks like complete ass.
F*ck PSA, that's what I have to say. I stopped using them years ago, I only use CGC now.
Man I want to like CGC honestly I do. But when it comes down to it. For roughly the same price I can get a slab that is 2x more valuable.
Sgc to the moon
💩 Hahahaha. Nat Turner’s = 2023 Prizm Wemby 1:1 PSA 10 💩 It’s Altered, and Nat gave it a PSA 10. Totally allowed.
If people only knew the real story behind that card.
PSA is getting too big
Submit to SGC.
Marcus. I stopped honestly. In my opinion it’s not worth it. Curious your thoughts and reasoning behind still submitting to SGC.
@@RetroHoopCollectiblesFaster turnaround, consistent, and accurate grading. I am a collector though and do not sell or flip cards.
I’m ok with them stating they’ll be using their card ladder. But where are they pulling their “data” from. It’s just a sad update to their TOS that could have been avoided with better explanation.
these terms and conditions are the exact reason why I wont grade with PSA.
Curious. If you are grading. Who are you grading with?
@@RetroHoopCollectibles SGC. You were one of the first people I started to watch and gave SGC all the best reviews. So after doing more research, and reviews, I decided to grade with SGC and haven't looked back as their quick turn arounds, Slab look and feel, and prices are the best for me.
So no more altered grade? You just go right to jail...lmao. Damn. Guess i wont be sending anything and all my collecting was a complete waste of time. Ouch...
lol. STRAIGHT TO JAIL
Terms of condition only possible for clear #1 company with no competition. This is why monopoly is bad.
What does a monopoly have to do with this?
Ever wonder why less and less people watch your content? Look in the mirror it’s you
Huh??? Lol.
I don’t pay too much attention to how many people watch my content. Ever. I produce what I want when I want with no expectations.
But thanks for the view and more importantly your comment that RUclips takes as interaction and boosts my reach. I appreciate it