A LOT of people have recommended the GoXLR Interface since I want to use this setup for livestreaming. I think I will give that a try... its pricey though at $500. If it works out I will give my Scarlett and and a mic to Phil since he wants to stream too. Thanks for the suggestions!
I would like to know which microphone and camera you are using for your videos. It seems you have 1 microphone on the top of your shirt and another one on top of your camera. Those seem to be doing the best job out of all of them
Not going to lie, sounds like you didnt do enough research to the microphone. i reccomend the channel booth junkey for mic information. no hate love your vids and keep them up!
Cool! I'm not sure the GoXLR will have enough preamp gain on its own, you'll still need the cloud lifter with the SM7B. I'd love to see a video though!
The warmtone comes from basically speaking right in front of it (within an inch) The SM7B It’s not the the right mic if you plan to set it far away from you
Yep, this is why it's important to reach out to companies that sell and test this stuff and talk about goals you want to achieve and not just going with a product that works for other people. Especially if you aren't going to use it like those other people did. edit: also I find the focusrite gear to be not great, I use Shure's XLR to usb interface.
Spot on, and what I was about to comment. The SM7B, being a dynamic, is low-sensitivity, you need to speak (or sing) right into it to get the proximity effect (ie the big low end). Which also is why in another video I commented that getting a better interface with better pres instead of the Solo would help the SM7B a lot. Basically anything NOT USB bus-powered. An Audient id22 would be perfect, and not too expensive...-ish. Audio stuff isn't cheap. Focusrite interfaces are fine (I like my Clarett 8Pre a lot), it's just that the 7B is super picky about what pre drives it, and it requires massive amounts of gain to deliver THAT sound.
Yeah that is a weird choice for streaming. When you sit in a radio studio or you're singing, you are meant to talk/sing right into it. It's not meant to be far away off axis like that unless you're belting it out etc. If you used it as you "should" it would probably be blocking your face or maybe making it hard to see your monitor. I agree that was a huge waste of money for the purpose haha. Live and learn though.
Sound engineer of about 20 years here: You have to be CLOSE to the SM7B to get that sound you want. I do agree that it needs more gain, but with more gain comes more noise- especially in lower end preamps like the one in your Focusrite interface. At the end of the day though, if you're happy with your sound then you're doing it right! One final note: the SM7B is $399 everywhere, up from $349 just a few years ago. I know this doesn't make your point any different, but its still a decent amount less than $500 :) Cheers!
I'm definitely not a sound engineer. I'll just keep throwing SM57 and SM58 at everything (you can literally throw the SM57 at anything and it will most likely survive. After all of humanity has gone, you will only find cockroaches and SM57s.). Even though the SM57 has a slightly different spread than the SM58, I prefer the SM57 (if needed with foam) since you can easily EQ it and use it for almost everything, getting it extremely close to the SM7B. And 99 out of 100 people won't even notice the difference, especially if you only use it for simple vocals. Maybe this has also to do with the fact that the SM7/57/58 are all based on the Unidyne III capsule design. Then again, I'm not a sound engineer, so maybe I am talking poop. Aaaaaand you can easily find an SM57 for $100 or less.
Also sound engineer here...The SM7B was an old broadcast mic. Emphasis on old. Rode has better sounding mics for the same application for a good price point. If Jay really wants a great sounding mic, the Neumann TLM-103 has a far superior sound. Is it cheap? Hell no. But you pay for quality and the difference is easy to hear. Also speaking as a former Pro audio salesman, the only way to get what you want in a mic, is t try them out in person. Your ears are your ultimate guide.
I'm frustrated that RUclipsrs keep defaulting to the SM7B instead of any decent condenser microphone, without any idea what kind of sound it delivers. There is a reason why the SM7B is the default choice for extreme metal vocals.
Yup Jay, what this man said. I use the SM7B into a Triton Audio Fethed (gain booster like your cloudlifter) into an RME Babyface Pro. I keep the mic no further than 4-6 inches away from my mouth and it gives you THAT sound you're looking for. If you want to REALLY get that proximity effect (you know the smooth deep sound) you basically have to have it right next to your mouth. The Mic is great. Your technique and placement of the mic need some improving, as well as the focusrite is just a scarlett is just a mediocre pre-amp/AD interface. But your point of the Yeti is still valid. For the money it's a good mic. I used to own one. I like the Rode NT-USB better as a USB Mic, but once you cross a threshold the returns on quality for money spent are very diminished.
That smooth tone you were talking about has a lot to do with the SM7b's proximity effect. From what I see and hear, you're simply too far from the mic IMO.
Jay: take all the advice you are getting here, play with it, and do a follow up video. Tell everbody what you learned. I believe that would be really interesting. Why not even go the extra step and contact some other content creators who specialize in this type of area (sound, stream tech etc), and you both do a cross-over video for both channels.
Yea right. Did you not listen to what he said at all? Sounded like he already did all that work and this is the summary. Seem like you didn't understand that he now has what he needs, and he mentioned he wasted money already.
@@pmAdministrator The title of the video says it all, he knows he wasted money to get that sound, but it's the sound he wanted, not what he needed, since the blue yeti was more than enough for his needs
HA! Now I read the comments below mine and I see references to Audient, MOTU, etc! I was trying to stay away from talking about gear really irrelevant to the scope of Jay's video, but sure, the Neumann mic, my beloved SPL outboard processors, the RNC that delivers sound quality 4x it's price, all the tube stuff... they'll have to pry it out of my cold dead arms. Again, irrelevant to this discussion in my mind. I'm still going to assume the average subscriber/viewer of Jay's channel doesn't have collectable pre-amps/channel strips(!) U guys need to hop back over to ProSoundWeb/Gearslutz/SOS/etc. ;-p It's awesome that OBS decided to support VST v2 or v3 plugins, I mean I use an Elgato 4k HDR with SLOBS right now for messing around with my PC sims/rig... My RELUCTANT 1st AMD CPU in 15+ years... I'm having fun with the Ryzen stuff :-o It's not Type 1 Hypervisor/VM server stuff, but it hasn't melted down like Chernobyl YET & with an RTX, it's currently smoking a dual 8800GTX SLI antique that cost probably twice as much, and had RAID arrays LMAO. I dunno if Jay did a video on trying using one current PC to run high end sims, and OBS on the same machine... it works, but I'm sticking with distributed computing :-)
Jay, I'll be honest. As a sound tech I came in here prepared to absolutely blast you for calling the SM7B a waste of money. As other's have said, you have to eat that mic. The wind screen should be touching your mouth and pointed directly at your mouth, not at an angle. The SM7B has a cardioid polar pattern. It has decent rejection from the sides so therefore you need that mic touching your lips and pointed directly at your mouth. This whole video can be chalked up to user error. You look at Joe Rogan who also uses the SM7B, he is eating that mic the whole time, you have to. Also, the Scarlett Focusrite is the go-to for a reason. All you needed is the mic, cloudlifter, and Focusrite preamp, you just didn't use them properly.
Watch him piss off even more by getting a GoXLR and paying that $200 or more extra for their name. Is it good, yeah maybe but it's for sure way overpriced for a mixer of it's size/feature set.
Nah, we cool... Actually the GoXLR is specifically designed for streamers rather than focusrite products that are intended for audio enthusiasts. As an engineer I'd say the GoXLR fits jays use case better, though he still may need that cloudlifter handy since I doubt a streamer targeted product will have any more gain/level than the focusrite.
Please don't listen to that, this is purely subjective and situation based. The SM7B is proximity low sensivity mic, unless you plan on screaming into it or puting it inside a bass drum I don't see why you'd use it. There's of course the huge headroom before saturation that's cool in broadcast when you have thousands of $ in outboard gear to control the SM7B level without noise and distorsion but this is besides the point.
@@saturnGEEK you clearly dont know what you are talking about. Im a musician and have used all of those 3 mics and plenty more. You could record just about anything with the SM7B. Would not use on drums overheads but its suitable for anything other than that. The SM7B is all you really need. Electric guitars, kicks, snares, vocals you name it..
1.) it is a dynamic mic, you will need to have the mic literally in your face. That is what it is designed for. If you want to have a mic that is further away from you, then buy a condenser mic. 2.) 2min of research let's you know that the SM7b needs lots of gain, which can often be an issue with dynamic mics in general when used for low volume sources - such as speech, acoustic guitar e.t.c. 3.) Don't buy cheap crappy gear expecting it to improve quality of expensive high-end gear...
@@Aberusugi That is a perfectly fine solution if you already own preamps which do not have the headroom for an SM7B. But the point I want to make is that he found out that this is a problem after he had already bought one of the cheapest audio-interfaces on the market, and then blames the microphone for not meeting his expectations...
don't forget, throwing 9db of eq @20hz will solve everything... EQ fixes everything!! hell throw another 6db of both "bass" and "treble" gain at it on the mixer too... that will will fix the short comings of this terrible, terrible Mic.... i wonder if he has the bass cut circuit on the SM7b switched on at the same time...? lol
The closest analogy I can think of for what you've done here is buy a sports car chassis, plonked in a lawnmower engine, screwed on some biscuit wheels and gone "man this car drives like cr@p" It is literally the mic that Michael Jackson used for his lead vocal on thriller. It SH!TS on that blue POS. I've been a Sound Engineer for years and unfortunately you did a lot wrong to come to your conclusions. (and I say this as a big fan of your other videos). Please don't give up on the sm7b 1: The sm7b likes to be eaten. 1-5 inches away and speaking directly into it. It's a cardoid mic which has a beautiful proximity effect (Ie. it adds low end/bass as you get closer) Most people using an sm7b are wearing headphones and this helps them to hear themselves 'feel' where they are in terms of the low end response 2: Your eq setting was horrrrible. I don't know an engineer on planet earth who would add low end to an sm7b like that. If anything people would do a slight lower mid-range cut (160-320hz) and do a broad boost the upper mids (1-4khz). 3: The SM7b is NOTORIOUS for being gain hungry. Generally needing around 55db of gain to be useable. You don't get that sort of gain cleanly enough out of an entry level, all in one interface. Most radio guys and the big podcasters and radio stations are using a microphone pre amp that costs upwards of 1000$ a channel, and those channels are connected to other bits that cost much more. Now, you don't need that to get there for your uses maybe. But you do need a decent pre amplifier that costs at least as much as the sm7b per channel. 4: You've completely ignored dynamic compression. Also a huge part of the radio sound. In all, unfortunately once you get to the more professional side of sound, costs rise exponentially (and the sm7b is considered a bargain in the sound world!).
+1000 this post. Pro audio is not something you just start doing by plugging in crap you got from Amazon in whatever order it occurs to you. If you don't know what you're doing and don't seek the help of someone who does, it will (1) be very expensive and (2) not sound any good and (3) be entirely your own fault.
PHFAT Wish I could upvote this 10 times!! Just a common case of not knowing what you're doing. Combo-ing a, not necessarily "high end" microphone, but a fantastic sounding mic with budget and entry level equipment is just simply a bottleneck.
I'm a music producer (yes you can touch me) and have recorded plenty of vocals with a wide array of mics, and to me, the Shure sounds head and shoulders above that USB one. The gain structure is off because you need to be speaking far closer to it. You know how Joe Rogen is always telling people to get in close to the mic? That close. It's so much warmer and nuanced, especially for your voice. I'd actually bring those low-mids down a touch if you want some more presence, plus get a high pass filter control those subs (especially on the Yeti). Plus you can hear the Blue Yeti overload the moment you get too close or do anything vaguely dynamic. There's a whole condenser rabbit hole you can go down too if you like. Obviously, there's some subjectivity to this, but really it sounds night and day to me. If you've got the money, which I'm sure JayzTwoCents Ltd does, it's well worth it.
I don't think his point was that the sound quality is bad. The point seemed to be the amount of time and money and effort invested in this setup, vs a USB mic setup with "good enough" quality that isn't going to set you back nearly four figures, means it's just not economical for his usage.
99% of people can't hear a difference, or can only hear a difference when alternating between the two, like he did in the video. And most people also don't care one bit. There are a lot of people that want to act like they care, or act like there is "night and day difference," just like the headphone guys. (Not talking specifically about you.) It's a RUclips video, or even less importantly, a gaming stream. There's way too much wanketry going on. The amount of people in the comments talking about mics they use, or mics they want to buy, is astounding. Most have 3 people watching their videos/streams, and none of this matters.
@@oven2066 Well then he "shure" did make a mistake then! Haha. If he just spoke closer to the mic most of those problems would go away, he wouldn't need to double boost the gain, and getting close to the mic ups the bass and presence so he probably wouldn't need to eq either.
@@xenonram For 99% of people I would totally agree, and obviously, Jay can make up his mind about his own use case. But if you want that "professional" sound, the Shure is the way to go. Audio is a strange one, because although you're right that most people can't explicitly tell the difference, we're all conditioned to pick up audio quality cues at a subconscious level. Really interesting side of music psychology.
One thing to keep in mind when using the SM7b is that it's 'classic's sound is making use of the proximity effect that is inherent to all cardioid mics; you need to pretty much be on top of it to get that rich low end and midrange 'bite'
Exactly - plus, it's a dynamic mic when the yeti is a condenser, only enhancing the required proximity factor. I have an AT2020 xlr hooked up to a Scarlett Solo, and it works great at Jay's proximity because it's condenser.
When I was trained to do audio at my old church, it was drilled in to us that we need to ensure that anyone using the mics were "eating the mic" so that they would be picked up properly And the amount of people who are used to condenser mics is insane... Makes me happy that I know what the old style of mics are like!
It's been 20 years, but when I was studying Radio Broadcasting, to get the best sound out of our (admittedly cheap) mics, I found that i basically had to have my Moustache just millimetres from the mic.
Buy (by mistake) the right microphone for the job. Pair it with one of the cheapest interface around. Grumble. And worst of it, doesn't frickin learn how to use it. As it's been said a lot in other comment, the mic (like 99.999999% of microphones, by the way) needs to be CLOSE to your mouth. The distance from your lav to your mouth is already very much pushing it, for a dynamic mic for example. As for the tone of voice, the SM7B is a very smooth, and quite dark microphone. Unless you had an operation, I very much doubt you'll need more low end through EQ. Learn to use the gear, before throwing more money at it. And before complaining. Let me put it in terms you may understand easier: you bought a Ryzen 3900X for your gaming pc. And your paired it with a GTX 1050. And since it wasn't fast enough, you got an upgrade and a X570 motherboard for it. And since it didn't make any difference, you added an Optane drive because everyone knows Optane is fast. That's what you did for audio.
I love it when these mainstream tech tuber who dedicate so much time to their builds and gear still make terrible decisions especially when it comes to audio. It took Linus Media Group YEARS to get a true set of converters, preamps, compressors, and mic for their WAN show broadcasts, and their audio is still terrible. However it is nice that they are using hardware limiters now so when linus screams it keeps it under deafening clipping levels.
@@kyleconklin1472 Well the thing is, it shine the rest of it in a new light. If someone can say something stupid with authority on one subject you happened to know and recognize the bullshit, how can you trust them to be good source for other subjects you personally don't know as much? I know, audio is hard. If you think there are a lot of subjectivity and tribalism and fan boy wars in PC gaming, you've seen *nothing* until you tiptoe into audio. But still, here we're talking about _extremely_ basic stuff.
@@kalijasin Yeah, knowing technology in general and focusing in computers is not the same as specialising in audio or camera stuff or any of the thousands of other technology fields, that's why linus for example hired camera people with experience. Most tech channels usually don't pretend to know much about something outside of their field of expertise, as long as they do that, everything is fine.
Jay, sounds like you had the pad enabled on it. Also useful to have some pretty beefy compression on the SM7 on the way into digital conversion. Also, watch how people typically use an SM7B. That mic is meant to be used UP CLOSE. The weird bass response you're seeing on that thing raw comes from you not being up close enough and not compressed.
I doubt he had the pad on. The sm7b needs more gain to drive it than the scarlett solo preamp will have. Most people using a mic that like will have an external preamp to give it all the gain it needs. Been using a sm7b for 10 years. Entry grade interfaces like he has just don't have enough clean gain to push it properly.
Nah, an USB bus-powered interface just won't have enough juice to gain up the SM7B. Even with a Cloudlifter. It would be exactly the same with a ribbon mic.
@@NicD5150 Not necessarily all USB bus-powered interfaces, but I'll say most low-cost USB interfaces won't have good enough pre-amps that can push 65db of clean gain. That being said, I usually use a CloudLifter or a FetHead with an SM7b to get some more headroom just in case.
As someone with a ribbon mic for his gaming setup a USB preamp is all I needed. Granted, it's a little cheap and I wouldn't recommend the usb interface I have to anyone but the gain on it is fine. But that might be one of the properties of the sE Electronics x1r. (it's a stupid name I know) I've also used a cloudlifter with it and both work fine on it. But that probably comes with the territory of a passive ribbon mic I guess.
I know others are already saying this, but it just hurts me. "Eat the mic" is a saying for a reason. You're waaay too far from the sm7b to get the sound you're looking for out of the box
You're absolutely right, but I think it only looks that way from the wide camera angle. I'm within about an inch of the SM7B but on camera it looks to be off to the side.
🤦 Sigh. The SM-7B is a mic that is properly used close to the mouth - inches away. This is like taking a shotgun mic and placing it on top of your camera and talking from 6-8 feet away, and saying it is not a good microphone - no mic (camera, light, screwdriver, etc.) will work well when it's being used improperly.
I find it interesting that Jay said it himself: This mic is used worldwide in major studios and national radio stations creating amazing results. So why question and bash the quality OF THE MIC instead of thinking - "maybe it's a user error?" o.O It seems a bit naive IMO and surprises me coming from Jay.
What you're referring to when you're comparing the Shure to the "radio" sound is proximity effect, you have to get your mic a lot closer to your face in order to boost the low end of your voice, without using EQ. A lot of streamers or content peeps don't speak directly into the mic when recording, and these professional mics operate best when the presenter is talking on axis to the mic capsule. I work in radio and we use the Sennheiser MD 421 mics in our A studio. By using the proximity effect to your advantage and adding compression as well, this setup will sound very decent. Compression is another tool I would highly recommend you use. Another issue could also be the Solo interface. Even with the Cloudlifter, sometimes it's just not enough gain to drive the mic, even with other dynamic mics like the RE20. Something like the new MOTU M2 would have been a better choice to pair with the Cloudlifter in this scenario. It makes me sad when others have an audio related issue :(
An MD 421 in Radio? Interesting. I've never heard the MD 421 used in Radio applications. Usually, it is the SM7B or RE20. In my home studio, I do vocal recording for local rappers and I'm trying to get actual bands to come through, but I've got some pretty high-end stuff, although my level of clientele isn't equivalent to the gear I have lol. I've got a Mojave MA-300 in my ISOVOX right now that I use as my primary vocal mic and if that doesn't work for the particular singer then I switch to my Neumann TLM 102. I run through a Heritage Audio HA73EQ -> Golden Age Projects Comp 3A -> Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen. Decent setup for sure.
Things to mention: SM7B is generally used from an inch away to get that nice smooth proximity effect... helps achieve a warm sound. GoXLR Mini could have handled the SM7B in terms of gain needed and also provided EQ, compression, gating... for $250 Using the SM7B is useful for many over the Blue Yeti because it is a dynamic mic. Dynamic mics are less sensitive and reject noise better picking up less fan noise, reverb, and anything else you can think of. I did notice a hiss or fans coming through the background music which could have been avoided using a dynamic mic. With that being said, there is more cost effective mics out there but the SM7B is hard to go wrong with. Might be too dark for certain voices or perfect for smoothing sibilant ones.
Yeah, not sure why he didn't just go for the GoXLR. That plus the SM7B would've been lethal, and less expensive. The GoXLR Mini would've made it even cheaper
@@somasora7 i got the goxlr mini and i had to purchase now a tritonaudio fethead to gain the SM7B better... but the fethead costs prox. 70$ and not 140$ like the cloudlifter..
I bought the Go xlr mini and paired it with a Rode Podmic and I love it. i paid less then what i would with the sm7b. I played with the EQ a bit and my mic sound just like the sm7b now. Mic aside the Go XLR mini is a game changer
1. That tone you're looking for is called proximity effect, and it starts kicking in about three inches away from the mic, maximum. 2. You cannot achieve what you're looking for by just throwing a mic at the problem. You need proper preamplification. The mistake wasn't buying that particular mic, it was attempting a professional microphone setup while knowing nothing about pro audio. 3. You should be cutting EQ bands rather than boosting. Take that curve you've made and move it all below the 0 dB mark. It's not a volume knob, for pity's sake.
@@A7mad. 100% wavexlr for any type of live content. It works good as a recording as well but it has only one input. You can watch Podcastage and Julian Krause on this subject.
Several points to make here: Would loved to have heard you do some typing and mouse clicking and stuff... That Yeti will pic up everything in the room you don't want it to. The dynamic mic shouldn't. Also you should deffo be closer to both of them especially the Shure. Thirdly,... The Shure still sounds way better even when playing this video through crappy phone speakers.
HEll, the Yeti as most condensers will probably pick up noisy kids and dogs the floor below. A condenser mic is, most of the time, destined to a studio. A room in a residential house or an office isn't a studio.
But that's why you use a noise gate, to prevent any background noise that you don't want being picked up from being picked up. I use a Blue Snowball on a scissor arm... which is half the price of the Yeti and in my opinion, just as good. Add the noise gate, a small amount of noise suppression, a small amount of volume compression and an EQ to get the tone you want... you're onto a complete winner! For $70 all in! (or in my case, £70)
Not if he doesn't move it as close as everyone is telling him to. Dynamic microphones don't reject background sounds better than condensers, they're just more often used close up, giving a better signal to noise ratio. Which means the yeti would also reject equally well if he used it closer up.
@@felixklimm7225 Yes and no. The cloudlifter will give you the gain, but you still want to be really up close to the mic to bring out its desired characteristics.
Felix Klimm Still is a dynamic mic. You‘ll need to speak directly into it. Boosting the crappy signal a dynamic mic will pick up from more than a foot away won’t make it a condenser mic.
Jay, I've watched your content for years, but I have to put my own two cents in on this one. Everyone else has already touched on the major things here, mic distance (I keep my SM7B about 2-3 inches from my mouth), choice of gear, etc. I've been saying for a long time that condenser mics like the yeti are a poor choice for livestreaming. They're more sensetive by design, picking up background noise much easier, as well as catching room reflections of your voice, giving a "ringy" or "roomy" kind of tone in an untreated space. They're designed for use in treated studio environments, and are excellent for that. I would personally use an SM58 with a low end USB interface before ever considering one of my condenser mics in close proximity to a mechanical keyboard, mouse, PC fans, and AC unit. Condensers are by far cheaper, and more accessible, but marketed way too hard at the gaming and livestreaming crowd. If I had a treated room, a condenser might find its way into my setup, but for most people's situation, a decent dynamic mic is always the better choice.
with any dynamic microphone you are going to experience a pretty substantial amount of proximity effect. The closer you are to the microphone the fuller and "boomier" the audio is going to appear. Even moving more than an inch will change the way the audio sounds in many cases. Going with a professional solution to any problem is going to demand a certain amount of knowledge and experience to get it to work properly. Now that you have this wonderful microphone you will on the bright side never need another and it can take anything you throw at it, you can also sell it as the there will always be someone drooling for a shure microphone :)
It’s a great mic but it definitely has areas where it just can’t keep up with other better mics though. For example recording the ambient sound of a room (like two people talking) this mic will never do well. Or recording any music other than vocals. It’s a great mic which is why I have one as well, but it’ll certainly never take “everything you can throw at it” Using that mic for anything is like only having a flathead screwdriver because you can make it work in both flathead screws and Phillips screws. Sure it will technically work but it’ll do a terrible job at things it wasn’t meant to do.
Malc180s When I say that I mean it sounds like you’re in the room with them rather than them whispering in your ear ASMR style. Rhett and Link use condenser mics in the exact way I talk about and their sound quality is excellent. The shure SM7B is a specific use case mic. It is not a “go everywhere do everything” mic. End of story.
"Because I'm stubborn" Ah, that explains so much. Also even EQ'd, the Yeti had a certain boxyness in the mids that made it sound way less smooth than the SM7B to my ears.
It sounded robotic in headphones, but ok in comparison. I fault bad EQ by Jay, you are supposed to do subtractive EQ and only add EQ a little bit to complement your voice. You would add software subtractive EQ, gating, compression, limiters, de-esser to Yeti and it could get close in post-processing or Live with VST plugins but with delay and good CPU for low buffer.
@@Jayztwocents No Jay! You have to get everything exactly right the first time! It's perfection or nothing. God, it's almost like you are human or something. To be more serious though; For me learning is half the fun. I have more fun screwing around with a product and learning how to use it than I do using it. Oh and the SM7B sounds way better by the way.
This just sounds like a lack of microphone proximity effect combined with a cheap preamp that doesn't have enough juice for the sm7b. It doesn't make a lot of sense to expect a $400 mic going into a $100 interface to sound absolutely incredible. It also just sounds like Jay doesn't quite know how dynamic microphones differ from condensers. I would also recommend that if you can use VST plug-ins with OBS, add a compression plug-in and it will help you greatly. As a sound engineer, I almost always use a compressor with a dynamic when vocals are involved.
@@rob1253 I'm assuming they cleaned it up but the other ones are raw eq because it's about live streaming which is harder to clean up than pre recorded
@@SabentHD when you say cleaned it up (regarding the lapel mic) what's a typical workflow for something like that? Is it possible that is also on a mixer? Thanks!
I personally use the SM7B for my home streaming setup and love it. I have the SM7B running to a Cloud Lifter and then into my scarlett 2i2. (also remember you can change the way the mic sounds with the tabs on the back, alot of people forget to make adjustments according to their wants. I made my a little bit brighter sounding by changing the one slider. It really does help) Makes for a phenominal setup. I sit right on top of the microphone as well like 1/2 the time im touching the mics spit guard. Its a great mic just gotta get into the mic itself. Its annoying at first but its the correct way to use it.
That Shure mic is one of the best of all time. Some of the best albums ever recorded used it, not to mention podcasters like Joe Rogan and many others use it to do shows. Quality wise the mic is great for many things, BUT.. you do need to have it CLOSE to you and it has been known to need a good amount of gain. Might be to much for some people, but used right it is the GOAT of mics for many people. More for recording instruments and doing podcasts than streaming on twitch. I would say try the mic closer and get something better than can give it the gain it needs. If used right that mic will blow you away. Not needed for most people, but if you do anything audio related it is well worth the investment imo. Been to many studios over the years and dealt with many mics, this Shure mic is my personal favorite overall.
I love that mic. You heard that a lot of studios and radio stations use that mic, but have you ever noticed how close they usually are to the thing? We use them for my church for recording and all we go through is a Scarlett, nothing else. So yeah PSA, don't do what Jay did. Learn to use the gear before you pull the trigger and buy. Could have easily ran an SM58 through the Scarlett and been fine.
It isn't the MIC alone who delivers the sound you heared on albums. It's the combination of Tube preamps, the warm sound of a analog tape recording etc. RUclipsrs think they get the sound with a 100 dollar interface. Lol.
blah...blah..blah, as a sound engineer, to get the sound you're looking for you need to be right up on the mic, as some have already mentioned the proximity effect (closer you get the increase of low frequency response), also unlike most dynamic mics the capsule for the SM7B is further away then most dynamic mics hence why u need to eat the mic, giving it that legendary sound we all look for. Anyway that was my two cents there's tons more id like to say but I'm shure other people are on to it, keep up the content!
Yeah like Scarlett Solo isn't bad. it does its job well for most people's needs but it's just weird coming from the guy that spends like thousands on custom water cooling loops that is as he has said himself, more or less completely unnecessary. He'd never skimp out on computer parts or expect an i3 processor to be capable of intensive workstation loads so making out that like 200 or whatever for the scarlett is a lot of money when you can look out there and find ones for 3000 plus (not that you need those by ANY means for good sound) seems a bit mad. It's like going to buy an office chair and saying I didn't want to skimp out so I got one for 120 euro when proper office chairs all exceed the 300 mark at base entry level. That said though, its more than enough for his needs.
@@Jhakaro that's the thing though. Price wise it *looks* like an i5. As a noobie looking for a mic setup you see the $50 mixers and shit and the Scarlet Solo looks like the i5 option.
Former production sound mixer here. #1 Too far from the mic. #2 SM7B needs a ton of preamp gain which obviously the Scarlet Solo doesn't have. #3 Most radio stations use a lot of compression in conjunction with EQ to give you that "warm" sound you are referencing.
he has a cloud lifter, which i use regularly in studio applications and pairs perfect with the sm7b, it's just a 20dB boost before it ever hits your pre-amp
Jay if you need to do anything sound related Very Highly recommend talking to someone at Sweetwater. I'm a live sound engineer and they are my goto for everything and anything audio. They are extremely knowledgeable and there customer service is second None.
I only buy my gear from Sweetwater. No one else is better at this stuff. And I freaking love my sales engineer, Kenny. The man is legendary. I miss chatting with him on the phone now that everything is shut down.
Hey Aaron, THANK YOU! I’m a sales engineer at Sweetwater and when I started this video I immediately face palmed. I REALLY wish he would’ve called us because I know anyone of us would’ve have gotten him setup correctly from the get go. Also, I appreciate you coming our way for audio / music needs, thanks for the shoutout my friend!
John Paul Hare Kenny is awesome man! We’re actually not shutdown right now, just most of us are working remotely from home. Thanks for the shoutout, we appreciate you! I’ll tell Kenny you say hi haha.
@@zulegmat dude, that's awesome! Happy to hear you guys are working from home. It's tough not being able to plan gigs where I might find myself needing something in a pinch and being able to call up Sweetwater and have that piece in a couple days. Anyway, give him my best! Hope you're all doing well.
Sweetwater has been my goto for hardware since I bought my first amplifier as high school rocker in the 90's. Save for a few small pieces of hardware and my string instruments they've been the company that built me and my business. Every time I get with gear heads we end up discussing at least breifly who each person has as their personal engineer. Mine is Stewart.
Jay, just a bunch of advices from an audio recording affectionate, (I also used to make yt guitar based videos)... this type of equing you did is not the smartest idea in my opinion, for these reasons: 1: no lowpass, no highpass.. therefore alot of noise. 2: by removing the midium end of the sound spectrum, you're making it so that yeah it sounds good by itself, but as soon as you're gonna play a game while talking... you're gonna notice that your voice is gonna disappear. 3: Also please, please NEGATIVE EQUING is the way to go, don't boost frequencies, cut the ones you dont need instead, it will prevent you from doing alot of mistakes like this extreme of a boost on the low end.
100% He's cutting his mids in a direct way, as opposed to logarithmic like the pattern a typical mid sweeps dial would. He's amplifying the noise, like you said, and negative eq'ing should be standard from what I've learned, before you really know what you are doing.
i'd never really thought about doing the NEGATIVE gains for sound quality, i'd always gone the other way. ill have to play with that on my diaphragm speakers since they reproduce sound soooo clearly
Didn’t need a physical mixer to get the eq either. Could have gotten a decent interface with built in routing and DSP like an RME babyface, or even used something like virtual audio cable if he didn’t want to replace his interface. The mixer isn’t the best quality and is almost definitely going to add noise, and does definitely add unnecessary gain stages/components. The babyface has better headroom, eliminates the need for cloud lifter altogether, and eliminates the need for mixer for eq. May have saved money that way depending, but would have definitely had better results
This happens when "buy" goes first then "research" comes second. I recommend watching Juan Carlos Bagnell's response video to help you out in case you still don't acknowledge the helpful comments here. ruclips.net/video/lguFei5IS14/видео.html
Hey Jay ... i feel like you're a bit far away from the mic and we can hear the room reverb a lot .. maybe with less gain and closer to the mic it would sound better because of the proximity effect too , the closer you are to a mic the low frequencies are brought up more
SinikkaL It is covered by gameplay but that mic was designed to be less than 3 inches from your mouth to get proper sound qualify out of it. He should’ve either went with a condenser mic to have it further away, or he needs to eat the mic way more
I feel like your doing something wrong in your set. I have the same Mic the Sm7b and just the cloud lifter with no mixer just an interface. And My sm7b is nice and warm and in your face. I feel like you might have the Highpass filter on your mic one that will cut out the lows starting at 300hz and below. Because that mic with no eq is has a great low end. And also you need to be up on the mic as well your far away from it so yea it's going to sound less bassy. don't be scared to get all up on that mic that what is was made for. Do more research before making a video about a great mic calling it a waste of money.
I can feel all the other sound and music people watching this getting annoyed by what Jay has said. The Shure Sm7b is a fantastic mic for many reasons. You just need to know how to use it.
About how the verge pc build video went when they got it all wrong. What do you expect? Professionals take their trades very seriously and want to set the record straight for people that don't know any better. There is a reason audio engineering degrees exist after all.
@@saber-jocky3436 Not even sure it matters these days, Half the population suffers some form of hearing loss, Wouldn't matter if he was using a $20 USB mic to most people watching youtube.
Yesterday pleb, today audio engineer, exactly some people in chat. But no argument that Jay is using the mic very bad way, since the distance is so long, and also, I think that other DAC may do better for this setup. I remember being told to eat the mic so many times at my dabing lessons. If seing a mic in frame is anoying for you, why not consider using a lav or shotgun mic? The are not the same quality, they may be actualy lot worse in terms of vocals, but if hate the look of big black object in front of ur face, then they are a solution.
Not a sound engineer but I minored in music technology and took a few classes on the physics of sound. I’m also pulling my hair out. 100% user error, if he wants the mic 18-24 inches from his face, he should’ve gotten a nice condenser mic. He needs to eat the mic, and he should’ve gotten a proper preamp as well. This whole setup is what it looks like when you don’t do enough research on a topic and then spend a bunch of money on it. Sweet water has excellent sales reps that could’ve gotten him set up properly the first time.
First: "I'll buy a professional microphone for non-professional use w/o professional experience and knowledge. This would work!" After: "Don't make the same mistake I did..."
Hey Jay. Jay. Observe footage of other users with the sound you're after. Jay. This is a _really_ "Up close and personal" mic. Like, pop-filter-is-slobber-guard close. Jay.
THIS. He keeps talking about how they use the 7b in every radio station, then sets it 2 feet from his face and wonders why he doesn't sound like the guys who chew foam all day.
It was even cheaper than that, like $349 for quite a lot of years before that. $499 is more expensive than the RE20, and that one was always more expensive than the SM7B.
"DAC - Digital Analog Converter" -> it's actually an ADC :D Also, listening with good headphones, one should be able to easily tell the difference between the Shure and the EQ'd Yeti. The Shure's tone is more natural, more like you hear in professional radio studios. The Yeti ain't bad at all, but it doesn't have that 'pro' timbre.
Honestly I can hear a yeti a mile away and it makes me cringe every time. As a former professional streamer I have heard them so much that they make me cry.
For recording industry professionals the 7B is not "A waste of money" because they can notice literally every aspect of how every part of a signal chain makes a perceivable difference in the final product and most normal people are not like that. If you're trying to solve problems you don't even have by buying a microphone not intended for the general consumer market because other's are using it then yes you have "wasted your money" . However your setup in fact does perceptibly sound a lot better than the Yeti!! Try using a DAW with some compressors and tube preamp simulators and use the output from there :). - The professional musician who watches your channel.
I've tried the DAW output route and that's way too much complexity IMO. SM7B with a decent outboard channel strip (286s isn't too expensive) and a cheap interface = great sound and super easy. You're right though. I've collected a ton of mics over the years for my project studio, and I've tried a ton of them for voice over and streaming. I always go back to the SM7B. There's too much bleed and room noise when you use a condenser mic for streaming, especially with a clicky GAMING keyboard. I'm not sure why he boosted the lows so much in his EQ though. I always have a high pass filter set on the 7B to stop it getting muddy with speech. I guess he wants that RADIO SOUND but you sacrifice clarity and it's much more difficult to get it to cut through a mix such as heavily compressed game audio.
This may be the tech equivalent of installing your RAM in the wrong slots and getting poor performance and blaming the ram. Not everyone can know everything, let's be fair to Jay as the audio clan is out strong, but this video could have considered that following other RUclipsrs and their setups is dangerous and that the audio game is very much a separate discipline in itself. The simple description of what is going on here is all over the place at times, and I'd be wary of people looking for solid info watching this video but not reading the comments. Rework your existing setup any way, getting closer to the mic will bring out some nice low end too. Thanks for all the help this channel gave me when I had to replace my studio computer recently, I've a new 3700x rig and it's going great.
He just wasn't close enough to the microphone. What Jay wants to hear is the proximity effect you get from being real close to the microphone. That also works with lots of other dynamic mics, like the Sennheiser e835s that I personally use.
Technically, any microphone that has a pickup pattern other than omnidirectional will give you some proximity effect, as it's mostly a side effect of the cancelation principle used to give microphones directional patterns. That said, larger diaphragm microphones handle close usage better because they're less sensitive to distortion, and will generally lend themselves better to proximity effect, which is why radio hosts favor huge dynamic mics like the RE20 and the SM7B.
I use a $10-15 sony clip-on mic and run it through a dedicated sound card and get much better sound on it than I do with a Yeti or more expensive mics I have tried. Granted I haven't dropped serious money on a sound setup but the clip-ons can be quite good.
I'd if you're willing to dish out the money on a Yeti, you should instead get an Audio Technica AT2020 it's a much better USB mic for similar price range
Since I got some headphones from Audio Technica, I will NEVER even put into consideration another audio hardware from another brand. Their quality/bucks is superb!
I will chip in, if you want to go instead with warmer sound and if you got noisy background, get a Samson Q2U microphone (it can be used as USB and then XLR down the line). In terms of Mixer/Audio Interface for Streaming good option is to go with GoXLR mini, it has DSP EQ, Gate, Compressor, a Great Pre-AMP for Microphone (73dB gain, -129dB EIN , 108db DR) and also quite decent DAC and okay AMP for 150ohm headphones. You can also use it with headset (3.5mm jacks) at start and apply EQ, Gate, Compressor for great sound System Wide, not only OBS and recording. You also get 4 Faders for Virtual Channels (discord, spotify, headphones etc). If you want good Audio Interface DO NOT GET Focusrite SOLO (it's mediocre in comparison to alternatives), get better Audient EVO 4, Native Instruments Komplete Audio 2 at same price range, more I/O better quality, and over Focusrite 2i2 get the Motu M2, like the best budget AI currently. Better I/O, feature set, PreAmps and Headphone AMP. You can thank me later...
Literally coulda got a GoXLR Mini for $250 and skipped the cloud lifter and all that other stuff altogether. The Midas preamps in that thing are MORE than enough AND you can EQ on a 6 band, 10 band if you get the full size. I use a Rode PodMic with a GoXLR Mini and EQ’d it for a couple hours to get it to sound like a properly used and EQ’d SM7B and the PodMic was $100...I obviously don’t have as much thickness and presence, it’s definitely lost, but at a quarter of the cost, you could have had a VERY solid setup. But you spent almost $1,000 to use your equipment improperly...
You’re the one who didn’t do their research and went budget happy mode. You could have bough this mic for $400 with a scarlett 2i2 interface for less that a $100 and along with delivery put a wild $50. Still much less.
you bought a mic designed for high end audio production and complained it was overpriced for streaming and RUclips videos. It's not overpriced whatsoever, what it offers is above and beyond the quality a yeti could ever achieve. Sure it's not required for a RUclips video or a stream, but to call it overpriced because you're not using it for its intended application is a bit disingenuous.
EQ by itself is only a tip of the iceberg, all microphone are meant to be used with processing, gate/compression/limiter/de-esser. ALSO it's best recommended to use subtractive EQ, removing the noise/tone that you don't like, no loss of quality and faster processing by downscaling rather than upscaling. Adding tones has its place and uses, but it's only should be used in minority of situation and only increase tone by 1-2 dB.
@@KryssN1 Yea if you don't have the hardware for it, you def want to run this through a DAW of some sorts (probably the easiest) and do what you want to the sound in there then feed it through to OBS, Discord or whatever afterwards.
I was watching this video and my head just hurts. You should've done some research before buying the Shure SM7B... I've used this mic to make radio shows and the quality is beyond anything if it's in a decent setup. You should've gotten a condenser mic with the distance and the way of using it seriously. Like the RØDE Broadcaster, very similar in price and a good mic and I guess a little more user friendly. Or take advice from people that have a lot more audio experience than me. The thing is, the Blue Yeti is a great mic. Very easy, plug and play make it sound good. More professional mics just need more experience. I've made setups that took me a long time to make anything sound good. It's all learning and experience. See this a money spent on learning and some nice gear I guess. But don't you dare attack the greatest mic in my heart.
he never attacked the microphone and said that he screwed up and got caught up with the microphone. all he was saying was that for streaming setups there are much better alternatives. i understand your frustration and it would be completely valid if he said the mic was a bad buy no matter what but he didn't.
@@Critical3rror Of course he wasn't attacking the mic directly. I feel like he was going on about the Yeti being much better value and overall I would really disagree with that sentiment. There is so much potential to a Shure SM7B that a Yeti can't even come close to. For streaming and ease of use the Yeti does have great value. Just like the Blue Snowball sounds like fucking headset mics in most videos. So terrible, but it really doesn't have to with the right precautions. If you want studio quality you must invest in studio skills. That also means buying useless shit or spending money on things you don't need after all if you miss out on research you might have not known you should have done. Honestly, I'm not as salty as I might come across. :-) Also Jays content is usually great and we all make mistakes. Honestly my fan and RGB setup in my PC is so stupid, if I had just spend the money better, right? 🤷♂️ We learn and overcome. :)
@@CheesyMcBeard As I said maybe the Broadcaster as a nice upgrade as it is easier to drive. But the Yeti is great either way, might as well stick with it.
That's actually not correct. The warmth comes from proximity effect. Jay was waaaaay too far from the mic to generate proximity effect, and that's where dynamic mics shine. The SM7B into a Cloudlifter sounds lovely out of the box, *if* you're "eating the mic". Tape saturation is only used to make digital audio sound like has been recorded on tape. Irrelevant here. And if you're using EQ and compression *properly*, it won't change the characteristics of the audio very much.
If you want just good Mic Pre-Amp with DSP on a budget, get a Channel Strip like DBX286s or Behringer MDX. You need some space for that though. If you don't need effects then GoXLR is way better value for starting streamers. Audio Interface that are better than Focusrite SOLO: Audient EVO 4 and NI Komplete Audio and AI that is better than Focusrite 2i2: Motu M2. Just my 5 centz
SM7B isn't necessary for PC use. Hes right, Harris (Alpha Gaming) pretty much proved that if you spend much more than $100 on a mic, you're basically wasting your money as you can get $100 mics to sound great, and the additional coast of something like the SM7B you WILL NOT HEAR though a PC, especially if you are posting that content on Twitch or RUclips, who compresses that shit Anyway, so the extra 'quality' just gets tossed out regardless.
@@lyianx the 2nd mic in this video is £100 you can hear the difrence and Harris uses a £2000 mic in all his videos. I like Haris though hes the reason i got the GOXLR
Actually it was Quincy Jones, his producer, who pushed for it. The singer doesn't (usually) make those kind of decisions, or know enough to make those.
Lirae some singers, especially in today’s day and age, producer and mix their own music themselves. this is known. singers also learn a lot over the years of recording in studios, as i’m sure you can understand.
@@rebeltugFPS Absolutely. But we were talking about Michael Jackson, especially his early career. So as far away as making it all in the box as possible :)
Lirae I believe most accounts credit the mic selection, at least initially(Thriller) to the recording engineer, Bruce Swedien, who was also quoted as saying "I was allowed the freedom to make microphone choices, and nobody ever said a word. I just did it." but either way, MJ was not the one making the call at that point.
A LOT of people have recommended the GoXLR Interface since I want to use this setup for livestreaming. I think I will give that a try... its pricey though at $500. If it works out I will give my Scarlett and and a mic to Phil since he wants to stream too. Thanks for the suggestions!
Yeah if you are trying to simplify your setup, nothing beats one device to handle it all!
I would like to know which microphone and camera you are using for your videos. It seems you have 1 microphone on the top of your shirt and another one on top of your camera. Those seem to be doing the best job out of all of them
@@maverickLIVE I went with the mini and I'm real happy with it. I also use the shure sm7b. works great with the goxlr.
Not going to lie, sounds like you didnt do enough research to the microphone. i reccomend the channel booth junkey for mic information. no hate love your vids and keep them up!
Cool! I'm not sure the GoXLR will have enough preamp gain on its own, you'll still need the cloud lifter with the SM7B. I'd love to see a video though!
The warmtone comes from basically speaking right in front of it (within an inch)
The SM7B It’s not the the right mic if you plan to set it far away from you
Yep, this is why it's important to reach out to companies that sell and test this stuff and talk about goals you want to achieve and not just going with a product that works for other people. Especially if you aren't going to use it like those other people did.
edit: also I find the focusrite gear to be not great, I use Shure's XLR to usb interface.
Yep, proximity effect is notable on this mic, just like its other SM cousins. Great mic, but kinda wrong application.
Spot on, and what I was about to comment.
The SM7B, being a dynamic, is low-sensitivity, you need to speak (or sing) right into it to get the proximity effect (ie the big low end).
Which also is why in another video I commented that getting a better interface with better pres instead of the Solo would help the SM7B a lot. Basically anything NOT USB bus-powered. An Audient id22 would be perfect, and not too expensive...-ish. Audio stuff isn't cheap. Focusrite interfaces are fine (I like my Clarett 8Pre a lot), it's just that the 7B is super picky about what pre drives it, and it requires massive amounts of gain to deliver THAT sound.
Yeah that is a weird choice for streaming. When you sit in a radio studio or you're singing, you are meant to talk/sing right into it. It's not meant to be far away off axis like that unless you're belting it out etc. If you used it as you "should" it would probably be blocking your face or maybe making it hard to see your monitor. I agree that was a huge waste of money for the purpose haha. Live and learn though.
Also the orientation of the microphone matters I use mine verticaly and it sounds great
Sound engineer of about 20 years here: You have to be CLOSE to the SM7B to get that sound you want. I do agree that it needs more gain, but with more gain comes more noise- especially in lower end preamps like the one in your Focusrite interface. At the end of the day though, if you're happy with your sound then you're doing it right! One final note: the SM7B is $399 everywhere, up from $349 just a few years ago. I know this doesn't make your point any different, but its still a decent amount less than $500 :) Cheers!
I'm definitely not a sound engineer. I'll just keep throwing SM57 and SM58 at everything (you can literally throw the SM57 at anything and it will most likely survive. After all of humanity has gone, you will only find cockroaches and SM57s.). Even though the SM57 has a slightly different spread than the SM58, I prefer the SM57 (if needed with foam) since you can easily EQ it and use it for almost everything, getting it extremely close to the SM7B. And 99 out of 100 people won't even notice the difference, especially if you only use it for simple vocals. Maybe this has also to do with the fact that the SM7/57/58 are all based on the Unidyne III capsule design. Then again, I'm not a sound engineer, so maybe I am talking poop. Aaaaaand you can easily find an SM57 for $100 or less.
Also sound engineer here...The SM7B was an old broadcast mic. Emphasis on old. Rode has better sounding mics for the same application for a good price point. If Jay really wants a great sounding mic, the Neumann TLM-103 has a far superior sound. Is it cheap? Hell no. But you pay for quality and the difference is easy to hear. Also speaking as a former Pro audio salesman, the only way to get what you want in a mic, is t try them out in person. Your ears are your ultimate guide.
I'm frustrated that RUclipsrs keep defaulting to the SM7B instead of any decent condenser microphone, without any idea what kind of sound it delivers. There is a reason why the SM7B is the default choice for extreme metal vocals.
Yup Jay, what this man said. I use the SM7B into a Triton Audio Fethed (gain booster like your cloudlifter) into an RME Babyface Pro. I keep the mic no further than 4-6 inches away from my mouth and it gives you THAT sound you're looking for. If you want to REALLY get that proximity effect (you know the smooth deep sound) you basically have to have it right next to your mouth.
The Mic is great. Your technique and placement of the mic need some improving, as well as the focusrite is just a scarlett is just a mediocre pre-amp/AD interface.
But your point of the Yeti is still valid. For the money it's a good mic. I used to own one. I like the Rode NT-USB better as a USB Mic, but once you cross a threshold the returns on quality for money spent are very diminished.
@@Easy_Skanking for death metal vocals it still works incredibly well - it's not just an old obsolete broadcasting mic
"I have no idea what I’m doing..." basically
"hey guys here's me being 6 inches too far from my microphone wondering why i need +80 gain"
That smooth tone you were talking about has a lot to do with the SM7b's proximity effect. From what I see and hear, you're simply too far from the mic IMO.
Could be, radio hosts are usually right in front of their mic. Streamers aren't.
@@sebdhaese for a dynamic mic, you absolutely should be. Especially, with an SM7b.
This is exactly it. That Yamaha is the only waste of money here (for this application, at least).
This. You are too far away jay. Dynamic mics wants to be close. Proximity effect is something dynamic mics suffer from
Proximity effect is HUGE on these small sensor/diaphragm mics. Personally LOVE playing around with my Blue Ember and its crazy proximity effect.
So the lesson is: Do some research first. The channels Podcastage, and Booth Junkie, are excellent places to go.
Alex R E Great channels with in-depth reviews for microphones
Yup. Gearslutz.com ftw
Curtis Judd too.
He should just learn how to speak into the SM7B.
He needs to be way closer
I second this statement. Both of those channels are very good for research purposes. Podcastage is pretty funny in his intros too.
Jay: take all the advice you are getting here, play with it, and do a follow up video. Tell everbody what you learned. I believe that would be really interesting.
Why not even go the extra step and contact some other content creators who specialize in this type of area (sound, stream tech etc), and you both do a cross-over video for both channels.
Great idea. I hope he sees it.
Yea right. Did you not listen to what he said at all? Sounded like he already did all that work and this is the summary.
Seem like you didn't understand that he now has what he needs, and he mentioned he wasted money already.
@@pmAdministrator The title of the video says it all, he knows he wasted money to get that sound, but it's the sound he wanted, not what he needed, since the blue yeti was more than enough for his needs
HA! Now I read the comments below mine and I see references to Audient, MOTU, etc! I was trying to stay away from talking about gear really irrelevant to the scope of Jay's video, but sure, the Neumann mic, my beloved SPL outboard processors, the RNC that delivers sound quality 4x it's price, all the tube stuff... they'll have to pry it out of my cold dead arms. Again, irrelevant to this discussion in my mind. I'm still going to assume the average subscriber/viewer of Jay's channel doesn't have collectable pre-amps/channel strips(!) U guys need to hop back over to ProSoundWeb/Gearslutz/SOS/etc. ;-p It's awesome that OBS decided to support VST v2 or v3 plugins, I mean I use an Elgato 4k HDR with SLOBS right now for messing around with my PC sims/rig... My RELUCTANT 1st AMD CPU in 15+ years... I'm having fun with the Ryzen stuff :-o It's not Type 1 Hypervisor/VM server stuff, but it hasn't melted down like Chernobyl YET & with an RTX, it's currently smoking a dual 8800GTX SLI antique that cost probably twice as much, and had RAID arrays LMAO. I dunno if Jay did a video on trying using one current PC to run high end sims, and OBS on the same machine... it works, but I'm sticking with distributed computing :-)
Great idea... give that man a Bell's
The SM7B works for people who know how to use it. 🤷🏽♂️
This guy has 2.5 mill subs and makes a video like this?! 🤦🏼♂️
Definitely not an audio guy XD
@@JamieFenn I'm saying. Jay is too smart for his own good 🙄
@@hikhuhvhh7883 Um, yeah I did lmao
Yup
Jay, I'll be honest. As a sound tech I came in here prepared to absolutely blast you for calling the SM7B a waste of money. As other's have said, you have to eat that mic. The wind screen should be touching your mouth and pointed directly at your mouth, not at an angle. The SM7B has a cardioid polar pattern. It has decent rejection from the sides so therefore you need that mic touching your lips and pointed directly at your mouth. This whole video can be chalked up to user error. You look at Joe Rogan who also uses the SM7B, he is eating that mic the whole time, you have to. Also, the Scarlett Focusrite is the go-to for a reason. All you needed is the mic, cloudlifter, and Focusrite preamp, you just didn't use them properly.
zDerezzed go off
I work as a live sound engineer, I also came here to say the exact same!
Sound tech also, user error. This is not a mic for cheap built-in preamps.
Great choice of EQ tho 👀
This... It is not a shogun mic, though saying that a Shotgun would be good for streaming also.
RODE VideoMic Pro+ or NTG4+.
Jay just pissed off alotta sound engineers lmao
Watch him piss off even more by getting a GoXLR and paying that $200 or more extra for their name. Is it good, yeah maybe but it's for sure way overpriced for a mixer of it's size/feature set.
He wouldn't be pissing off more audio engineers because the goxlr is by T.C. Helicon, a pretty reputable name in the audio world
@@Kevinmatharu15 they aren't reputable for a $500 four channel toy mixer though.
Nah, we cool...
Actually the GoXLR is specifically designed for streamers rather than focusrite products that are intended for audio enthusiasts. As an engineer I'd say the GoXLR fits jays use case better, though he still may need that cloudlifter handy since I doubt a streamer targeted product will have any more gain/level than the focusrite.
@@bdhale34 midas preamps for that price... tell me HOW is it overpriced ?
Musicians, this is the best mic you will ever purchase at the price. He is using this mic completely wrong.
Please don't listen to that, this is purely subjective and situation based. The SM7B is proximity low sensivity mic, unless you plan on screaming into it or puting it inside a bass drum I don't see why you'd use it. There's of course the huge headroom before saturation that's cool in broadcast when you have thousands of $ in outboard gear to control the SM7B level without noise and distorsion but this is besides the point.
This is not a good microphone for musicians. SM57 or SM58 is a much better microphone for musicians.
@@saturnGEEK you clearly dont know what you are talking about. Im a musician and have used all of those 3 mics and plenty more. You could record just about anything with the SM7B. Would not use on drums overheads but its suitable for anything other than that. The SM7B is all you really need. Electric guitars, kicks, snares, vocals you name it..
@@saturnGEEK if you're talking about live sound then yes they're dope, but for studio sound they're kinda trash especially in the high frequencies
@@Leonidas909 you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on on board gear. A flathead does the job just fine.
1.) it is a dynamic mic, you will need to have the mic literally in your face. That is what it is designed for. If you want to have a mic that is further away from you, then buy a condenser mic.
2.) 2min of research let's you know that the SM7b needs lots of gain, which can often be an issue with dynamic mics in general when used for low volume sources - such as speech, acoustic guitar e.t.c.
3.) Don't buy cheap crappy gear expecting it to improve quality of expensive high-end gear...
For number 2, he said he bought and is using a cloudlifter for the gain issue. Which is commonly what engineers suggest for the SM7B anyways.
I agree with you 100% Cant believe someone of Jays intelligence would pair a $400 microphone with a $80 worst on the market interface!
Basicly he needs a cloud lifter
@@Aberusugi That is a perfectly fine solution if you already own preamps which do not have the headroom for an SM7B. But the point I want to make is that he found out that this is a problem after he had already bought one of the cheapest audio-interfaces on the market, and then blames the microphone for not meeting his expectations...
don't forget, throwing 9db of eq @20hz will solve everything... EQ fixes everything!! hell throw another 6db of both "bass" and "treble" gain at it on the mixer too... that will will fix the short comings of this terrible, terrible Mic....
i wonder if he has the bass cut circuit on the SM7b switched on at the same time...? lol
The closest analogy I can think of for what you've done here is buy a sports car chassis, plonked in a lawnmower engine, screwed on some biscuit wheels and gone "man this car drives like cr@p"
It is literally the mic that Michael Jackson used for his lead vocal on thriller. It SH!TS on that blue POS.
I've been a Sound Engineer for years and unfortunately you did a lot wrong to come to your conclusions.
(and I say this as a big fan of your other videos).
Please don't give up on the sm7b
1: The sm7b likes to be eaten. 1-5 inches away and speaking directly into it. It's a cardoid mic which has a beautiful proximity effect (Ie. it adds low end/bass as you get closer)
Most people using an sm7b are wearing headphones and this helps them to hear themselves 'feel' where they are in terms of the low end response
2: Your eq setting was horrrrible. I don't know an engineer on planet earth who would add low end to an sm7b like that. If anything people would do a slight lower mid-range cut (160-320hz) and do a broad boost the upper mids (1-4khz).
3: The SM7b is NOTORIOUS for being gain hungry. Generally needing around 55db of gain to be useable. You don't get that sort of gain cleanly enough out of an entry level, all in one interface. Most radio guys and the big podcasters and radio stations are using a microphone pre amp that costs upwards of 1000$ a channel, and those channels are connected to other bits that cost much more. Now, you don't need that to get there for your uses maybe. But you do need a decent pre amplifier that costs at least as much as the sm7b per channel.
4: You've completely ignored dynamic compression. Also a huge part of the radio sound.
In all, unfortunately once you get to the more professional side of sound, costs rise exponentially (and the sm7b is considered a bargain in the sound world!).
I also get bored in quarantine
+1000 this post. Pro audio is not something you just start doing by plugging in crap you got from Amazon in whatever order it occurs to you. If you don't know what you're doing and don't seek the help of someone who does, it will (1) be very expensive and (2) not sound any good and (3) be entirely your own fault.
@@erikheijden9828 hahaha You better believeit . Bored... AND PASSIONATE GOOD AUDIO DAMMIT.
PHFAT Wish I could upvote this 10 times!! Just a common case of not knowing what you're doing. Combo-ing a, not necessarily "high end" microphone, but a fantastic sounding mic with budget and entry level equipment is just simply a bottleneck.
your comparison with the car is so spot on,it made my morning coffee taste better
I'm a music producer (yes you can touch me) and have recorded plenty of vocals with a wide array of mics, and to me, the Shure sounds head and shoulders above that USB one. The gain structure is off because you need to be speaking far closer to it. You know how Joe Rogen is always telling people to get in close to the mic? That close. It's so much warmer and nuanced, especially for your voice. I'd actually bring those low-mids down a touch if you want some more presence, plus get a high pass filter control those subs (especially on the Yeti). Plus you can hear the Blue Yeti overload the moment you get too close or do anything vaguely dynamic. There's a whole condenser rabbit hole you can go down too if you like. Obviously, there's some subjectivity to this, but really it sounds night and day to me. If you've got the money, which I'm sure JayzTwoCents Ltd does, it's well worth it.
I don't think his point was that the sound quality is bad. The point seemed to be the amount of time and money and effort invested in this setup, vs a USB mic setup with "good enough" quality that isn't going to set you back nearly four figures, means it's just not economical for his usage.
99% of people can't hear a difference, or can only hear a difference when alternating between the two, like he did in the video. And most people also don't care one bit. There are a lot of people that want to act like they care, or act like there is "night and day difference," just like the headphone guys. (Not talking specifically about you.) It's a RUclips video, or even less importantly, a gaming stream. There's way too much wanketry going on. The amount of people in the comments talking about mics they use, or mics they want to buy, is astounding. Most have 3 people watching their videos/streams, and none of this matters.
@@oven2066 Well then he "shure" did make a mistake then! Haha.
If he just spoke closer to the mic most of those problems would go away, he wouldn't need to double boost the gain, and getting close to the mic ups the bass and presence so he probably wouldn't need to eq either.
what's the name of the model you're talking about?
@@xenonram For 99% of people I would totally agree, and obviously, Jay can make up his mind about his own use case. But if you want that "professional" sound, the Shure is the way to go.
Audio is a strange one, because although you're right that most people can't explicitly tell the difference, we're all conditioned to pick up audio quality cues at a subconscious level. Really interesting side of music psychology.
Gotta be closer to the mic.
One thing to keep in mind when using the SM7b is that it's 'classic's sound is making use of the proximity effect that is inherent to all cardioid mics; you need to pretty much be on top of it to get that rich low end and midrange 'bite'
Came here to say that. It's mind boggling how people who shop for high end mics miss out on this elementary info.
Exactly - plus, it's a dynamic mic when the yeti is a condenser, only enhancing the required proximity factor. I have an AT2020 xlr hooked up to a Scarlett Solo, and it works great at Jay's proximity because it's condenser.
When I was trained to do audio at my old church, it was drilled in to us that we need to ensure that anyone using the mics were "eating the mic" so that they would be picked up properly
And the amount of people who are used to condenser mics is insane... Makes me happy that I know what the old style of mics are like!
Don't expect a boomer to research anything
It's been 20 years, but when I was studying Radio Broadcasting, to get the best sound out of our (admittedly cheap) mics, I found that i basically had to have my Moustache just millimetres from the mic.
Buy (by mistake) the right microphone for the job. Pair it with one of the cheapest interface around. Grumble. And worst of it, doesn't frickin learn how to use it.
As it's been said a lot in other comment, the mic (like 99.999999% of microphones, by the way) needs to be CLOSE to your mouth. The distance from your lav to your mouth is already very much pushing it, for a dynamic mic for example.
As for the tone of voice, the SM7B is a very smooth, and quite dark microphone. Unless you had an operation, I very much doubt you'll need more low end through EQ.
Learn to use the gear, before throwing more money at it. And before complaining.
Let me put it in terms you may understand easier: you bought a Ryzen 3900X for your gaming pc. And your paired it with a GTX 1050. And since it wasn't fast enough, you got an upgrade and a X570 motherboard for it. And since it didn't make any difference, you added an Optane drive because everyone knows Optane is fast. That's what you did for audio.
I love it when these mainstream tech tuber who dedicate so much time to their builds and gear still make terrible decisions especially when it comes to audio. It took Linus Media Group YEARS to get a true set of converters, preamps, compressors, and mic for their WAN show broadcasts, and their audio is still terrible. However it is nice that they are using hardware limiters now so when linus screams it keeps it under deafening clipping levels.
@@kyleconklin1472 Well the thing is, it shine the rest of it in a new light. If someone can say something stupid with authority on one subject you happened to know and recognize the bullshit, how can you trust them to be good source for other subjects you personally don't know as much?
I know, audio is hard. If you think there are a lot of subjectivity and tribalism and fan boy wars in PC gaming, you've seen *nothing* until you tiptoe into audio. But still, here we're talking about _extremely_ basic stuff.
@@kyleconklin1472
LMG has done also a mistake regarding their "Red" Cameras. Corridor did a good job of explaining, what they did wrong.
and the worst part is he is telling everyone that these products are just a waste of money?
@@featheredpaws671 - wasted for his use.
F to pay respects to all audio people shaking right now
“This sm7b sounds terrible” as he is a foot and a half away from it. Knows ‘tech’, but not audio tech smh
The sm7b is actually renound to be a quiet mic, so normally you would need a lifter or a high end preamp
@DrOshawott, right. Knowing computers and technology in general is NOT the same as having knowledge of computer audio and audio setups.
@@kalijasin Yeah, knowing technology in general and focusing in computers is not the same as specialising in audio or camera stuff or any of the thousands of other technology fields, that's why linus for example hired camera people with experience. Most tech channels usually don't pretend to know much about something outside of their field of expertise, as long as they do that, everything is fine.
It still sounds better than Yeti to me. I love Blue mics, but come on...
Jay, sounds like you had the pad enabled on it. Also useful to have some pretty beefy compression on the SM7 on the way into digital conversion.
Also, watch how people typically use an SM7B. That mic is meant to be used UP CLOSE. The weird bass response you're seeing on that thing raw comes from you not being up close enough and not compressed.
agreed. There's also an EQ on the back of the mic....
I doubt he had the pad on. The sm7b needs more gain to drive it than the scarlett solo preamp will have. Most people using a mic that like will have an external preamp to give it all the gain it needs. Been using a sm7b for 10 years. Entry grade interfaces like he has just don't have enough clean gain to push it properly.
Nah, an USB bus-powered interface just won't have enough juice to gain up the SM7B. Even with a Cloudlifter. It would be exactly the same with a ribbon mic.
@@NicD5150 Not necessarily all USB bus-powered interfaces, but I'll say most low-cost USB interfaces won't have good enough pre-amps that can push 65db of clean gain. That being said, I usually use a CloudLifter or a FetHead with an SM7b to get some more headroom just in case.
As someone with a ribbon mic for his gaming setup a USB preamp is all I needed. Granted, it's a little cheap and I wouldn't recommend the usb interface I have to anyone but the gain on it is fine. But that might be one of the properties of the sE Electronics x1r. (it's a stupid name I know) I've also used a cloudlifter with it and both work fine on it. But that probably comes with the territory of a passive ribbon mic I guess.
I know others are already saying this, but it just hurts me. "Eat the mic" is a saying for a reason. You're waaay too far from the sm7b to get the sound you're looking for out of the box
You're absolutely right, but I think it only looks that way from the wide camera angle. I'm within about an inch of the SM7B but on camera it looks to be off to the side.
🤦 Sigh. The SM-7B is a mic that is properly used close to the mouth - inches away. This is like taking a shotgun mic and placing it on top of your camera and talking from 6-8 feet away, and saying it is not a good microphone - no mic (camera, light, screwdriver, etc.) will work well when it's being used improperly.
All the streamers are buying this mic these days and they keep it so fucking far.. shows you that people just buy whats popular and do zero research
I find it interesting that Jay said it himself: This mic is used worldwide in major studios and national radio stations creating amazing results. So why question and bash the quality OF THE MIC instead of thinking - "maybe it's a user error?" o.O
It seems a bit naive IMO and surprises me coming from Jay.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT
What you're referring to when you're comparing the Shure to the "radio" sound is proximity effect, you have to get your mic a lot closer to your face in order to boost the low end of your voice, without using EQ.
A lot of streamers or content peeps don't speak directly into the mic when recording, and these professional mics operate best when the presenter is talking on axis to the mic capsule.
I work in radio and we use the Sennheiser MD 421 mics in our A studio. By using the proximity effect to your advantage and adding compression as well, this setup will sound very decent. Compression is another tool I would highly recommend you use.
Another issue could also be the Solo interface. Even with the Cloudlifter, sometimes it's just not enough gain to drive the mic, even with other dynamic mics like the RE20. Something like the new MOTU M2 would have been a better choice to pair with the Cloudlifter in this scenario.
It makes me sad when others have an audio related issue :(
hence why Joe Rogan (who I believe uses these mics) is constantly badgering his guest to put the mic closer to their face.
I hope he sees this. As an audio engineer this video was kinda hard to watch...
@@JohnM-og5rt This is exactly what I was thinking. How are you holding up with events being canceled btw?
I cannot wait to get myself a Motu m2
An MD 421 in Radio? Interesting. I've never heard the MD 421 used in Radio applications. Usually, it is the SM7B or RE20. In my home studio, I do vocal recording for local rappers and I'm trying to get actual bands to come through, but I've got some pretty high-end stuff, although my level of clientele isn't equivalent to the gear I have lol. I've got a Mojave MA-300 in my ISOVOX right now that I use as my primary vocal mic and if that doesn't work for the particular singer then I switch to my Neumann TLM 102. I run through a Heritage Audio HA73EQ -> Golden Age Projects Comp 3A -> Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen. Decent setup for sure.
Things to mention:
SM7B is generally used from an inch away to get that nice smooth proximity effect... helps achieve a warm sound.
GoXLR Mini could have handled the SM7B in terms of gain needed and also provided EQ, compression, gating... for $250
Using the SM7B is useful for many over the Blue Yeti because it is a dynamic mic. Dynamic mics are less sensitive and reject noise better picking up less fan noise, reverb, and anything else you can think of. I did notice a hiss or fans coming through the background music which could have been avoided using a dynamic mic.
With that being said, there is more cost effective mics out there but the SM7B is hard to go wrong with. Might be too dark for certain voices or perfect for smoothing sibilant ones.
Yeah, not sure why he didn't just go for the GoXLR. That plus the SM7B would've been lethal, and less expensive. The GoXLR Mini would've made it even cheaper
@@somasora7 i got the goxlr mini and i had to purchase now a tritonaudio fethead to gain the SM7B better... but the fethead costs prox. 70$ and not 140$ like the cloudlifter..
@@pa693 what kind of distance do you have from the Mic?
I bought the Go xlr mini and paired it with a Rode Podmic and I love it. i paid less then what i would with the sm7b. I played with the EQ a bit and my mic sound just like the sm7b now. Mic aside the Go XLR mini is a game changer
SM7B is too dark for certain voices? yeah i guess so, its pretty much black.. In that case the Rode Podcaster is the best, that mic is white;)
1. That tone you're looking for is called proximity effect, and it starts kicking in about three inches away from the mic, maximum.
2. You cannot achieve what you're looking for by just throwing a mic at the problem. You need proper preamplification. The mistake wasn't buying that particular mic, it was attempting a professional microphone setup while knowing nothing about pro audio.
3. You should be cutting EQ bands rather than boosting. Take that curve you've made and move it all below the 0 dB mark. It's not a volume knob, for pity's sake.
I was about to make a rage filled comment. Thank you for your restraint.
As a producer I always love to see the weird ass audio setups youtubers end up with lol.
what's the good interface for sm7b? please help before I turn it back , 2 days searching and cant find answer
@@A7mad. goxlr (get the goxlr mini if you are looking for a cheaper version with less features)
@@A7mad. get a cl1 or a fethead
@@A7mad. 100% wavexlr for any type of live content. It works good as a recording as well but it has only one input. You can watch Podcastage and Julian Krause on this subject.
This is a case of, you should have asked someone how to use the SM7b before buying additional stuff.
one throws money at their own lack of knowledge...if they have any
Several points to make here: Would loved to have heard you do some typing and mouse clicking and stuff... That Yeti will pic up everything in the room you don't want it to. The dynamic mic shouldn't.
Also you should deffo be closer to both of them especially the Shure.
Thirdly,... The Shure still sounds way better even when playing this video through crappy phone speakers.
HEll, the Yeti as most condensers will probably pick up noisy kids and dogs the floor below. A condenser mic is, most of the time, destined to a studio. A room in a residential house or an office isn't a studio.
I don't have this problem with my Yeti. /shrug
But that's why you use a noise gate, to prevent any background noise that you don't want being picked up from being picked up. I use a Blue Snowball on a scissor arm... which is half the price of the Yeti and in my opinion, just as good. Add the noise gate, a small amount of noise suppression, a small amount of volume compression and an EQ to get the tone you want... you're onto a complete winner! For $70 all in! (or in my case, £70)
Not if he doesn't move it as close as everyone is telling him to.
Dynamic microphones don't reject background sounds better than condensers, they're just more often used close up, giving a better signal to noise ratio. Which means the yeti would also reject equally well if he used it closer up.
my friend has a yeti and i fkn hate it. i can hear his neighbour 4 houses away close a door. its so fkn annoying for gaming
*gets dynamic microphone*
*puts microphone far from mouth*
*microphone sounds bad*
jay: *surprised Pikachu face*
Isn’t the SM7B notorious for having low output? I think you need to be a lot closer to the mic.
Very low output. Upwards of 65dB gain needed.
That's what the Cloudlifter is for
@@felixklimm7225 Yes and no. The cloudlifter will give you the gain, but you still want to be really up close to the mic to bring out its desired characteristics.
Felix Klimm Still is a dynamic mic. You‘ll need to speak directly into it. Boosting the crappy signal a dynamic mic will pick up from more than a foot away won’t make it a condenser mic.
Yep. A Cloudlifter or a good external preamp is absolutely necessary. Mostly because most budget audio interfaces just don't have enough juice for it.
Jay, I've watched your content for years, but I have to put my own two cents in on this one.
Everyone else has already touched on the major things here, mic distance (I keep my SM7B about 2-3 inches from my mouth), choice of gear, etc.
I've been saying for a long time that condenser mics like the yeti are a poor choice for livestreaming. They're more sensetive by design, picking up background noise much easier, as well as catching room reflections of your voice, giving a "ringy" or "roomy" kind of tone in an untreated space. They're designed for use in treated studio environments, and are excellent for that. I would personally use an SM58 with a low end USB interface before ever considering one of my condenser mics in close proximity to a mechanical keyboard, mouse, PC fans, and AC unit. Condensers are by far cheaper, and more accessible, but marketed way too hard at the gaming and livestreaming crowd. If I had a treated room, a condenser might find its way into my setup, but for most people's situation, a decent dynamic mic is always the better choice.
One lesson to learn: Inform yourself about the right application and how to use it, before you buy expensive gear.
with any dynamic microphone you are going to experience a pretty substantial amount of proximity effect. The closer you are to the microphone the fuller and "boomier" the audio is going to appear. Even moving more than an inch will change the way the audio sounds in many cases.
Going with a professional solution to any problem is going to demand a certain amount of knowledge and experience to get it to work properly. Now that you have this wonderful microphone you will on the bright side never need another and it can take anything you throw at it, you can also sell it as the there will always be someone drooling for a shure microphone :)
It’s a great mic but it definitely has areas where it just can’t keep up with other better mics though. For example recording the ambient sound of a room (like two people talking) this mic will never do well. Or recording any music other than vocals. It’s a great mic which is why I have one as well, but it’ll certainly never take “everything you can throw at it”
Using that mic for anything is like only having a flathead screwdriver because you can make it work in both flathead screws and Phillips screws. Sure it will technically work but it’ll do a terrible job at things it wasn’t meant to do.
@@LS-oh8kv That's certainly not it "not keeping up". You want the ambient bright sound of a room go buy the cheapest condenser on sale.
Malc180s When I say that I mean it sounds like you’re in the room with them rather than them whispering in your ear ASMR style. Rhett and Link use condenser mics in the exact way I talk about and their sound quality is excellent. The shure SM7B is a specific use case mic. It is not a “go everywhere do everything” mic. End of story.
That goes for many condenser mics as well.
Now the one thing I'd point out, you are comparing a Dynamic Microphone vs. a Condenser Microphone.... Two different types of microphones.......
Thank you.
I scrolled looking for this.
Exactly what I had to learn. It's amazing what that mic is capable of.
Agreed. Not the same in any way.
11 months later this got recommended to me and it immediately, immediately reminded me of the Verge PC build guide guy
"Because I'm stubborn"
Ah, that explains so much.
Also even EQ'd, the Yeti had a certain boxyness in the mids that made it sound way less smooth than the SM7B to my ears.
It sounded robotic in headphones, but ok in comparison.
I fault bad EQ by Jay, you are supposed to do subtractive EQ and only add EQ a little bit to complement your voice.
You would add software subtractive EQ, gating, compression, limiters, de-esser to Yeti and it could get close in post-processing or Live with VST plugins but with delay and good CPU for low buffer.
@@KryssN1 Im still learning :)
@@Jayztwocents
Haha, we all are, didn't meant to be rude just funny :P
God bless :D
@@Jayztwocents No Jay! You have to get everything exactly right the first time! It's perfection or nothing. God, it's almost like you are human or something. To be more serious though; For me learning is half the fun. I have more fun screwing around with a product and learning how to use it than I do using it. Oh and the SM7B sounds way better by the way.
This just sounds like a lack of microphone proximity effect combined with a cheap preamp that doesn't have enough juice for the sm7b. It doesn't make a lot of sense to expect a $400 mic going into a $100 interface to sound absolutely incredible. It also just sounds like Jay doesn't quite know how dynamic microphones differ from condensers.
I would also recommend that if you can use VST plug-ins with OBS, add a compression plug-in and it will help you greatly. As a sound engineer, I almost always use a compressor with a dynamic when vocals are involved.
the mic you've got in your shirt sounds more natural to me than either of the other mics
He's just complaining about an awesome mic because he doesn't use it the way it was intended to, he should've gotten a condenser mic
Yup. This entire video, the tie clip mic is the cleanest audio.
@@rob1253 I'm assuming they cleaned it up but the other ones are raw eq because it's about live streaming which is harder to clean up than pre recorded
@@SabentHD when you say cleaned it up (regarding the lapel mic) what's a typical workflow for something like that? Is it possible that is also on a mixer? Thanks!
The SM7-B is really great and as some other people said, the proximity makes the warm tone.
I personally use the SM7B for my home streaming setup and love it. I have the SM7B running to a Cloud Lifter and then into my scarlett 2i2. (also remember you can change the way the mic sounds with the tabs on the back, alot of people forget to make adjustments according to their wants. I made my a little bit brighter sounding by changing the one slider. It really does help) Makes for a phenominal setup. I sit right on top of the microphone as well like 1/2 the time im touching the mics spit guard. Its a great mic just gotta get into the mic itself. Its annoying at first but its the correct way to use it.
That Shure mic is one of the best of all time. Some of the best albums ever recorded used it, not to mention podcasters like Joe Rogan and many others use it to do shows. Quality wise the mic is great for many things, BUT.. you do need to have it CLOSE to you and it has been known to need a good amount of gain. Might be to much for some people, but used right it is the GOAT of mics for many people. More for recording instruments and doing podcasts than streaming on twitch. I would say try the mic closer and get something better than can give it the gain it needs. If used right that mic will blow you away. Not needed for most people, but if you do anything audio related it is well worth the investment imo. Been to many studios over the years and dealt with many mics, this Shure mic is my personal favorite overall.
You forget that the it isn't the mic alone. It's the tube preamps too that they used to get the sound.
People don’t realize how much the, you know, Neve, SSL, API or wtvr broadcast quality Preamp has on the mic
The SM7b was good enough for Michael Jackson to sing into. He recorded "Thriller" on one.
It is one of the best Mic's of all time
@@KatalistProductionsKozzySasha For Michael Jackson.
Completely different scenario. But yes, it's a great mic.
comparing a multi million recording studio w/ jayzTwoCents makes totally sense to me
I heard the police used one when interviewing his victims too
“You have to eat that mic” is (one of) the best comment ever. Never heard of it before.
Jay doing audio advise when he clearly dont undestand the products he bought ! GJ Jay
That's his two cents i guess :oP
I changed the comment so people don’t know what I originally said.
i am a mathemagician and there can be as many firsts as you please if you can contain them.
Schrodinger does and doesn't agree with this statement
@@rickyrigatoni in an array
Depends on what girl you ask.
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I love that mic. You heard that a lot of studios and radio stations use that mic, but have you ever noticed how close they usually are to the thing? We use them for my church for recording and all we go through is a Scarlett, nothing else.
So yeah PSA, don't do what Jay did. Learn to use the gear before you pull the trigger and buy. Could have easily ran an SM58 through the Scarlett and been fine.
It isn't the MIC alone who delivers the sound you heared on albums. It's the combination of Tube preamps, the warm sound of a analog tape recording etc. RUclipsrs think they get the sound with a 100 dollar interface. Lol.
blah...blah..blah, as a sound engineer, to get the sound you're looking for you need to be right up on the mic, as some have already mentioned the proximity effect (closer you get the increase of low frequency response), also unlike most dynamic mics the capsule for the SM7B is further away then most dynamic mics hence why u need to eat the mic, giving it that legendary sound we all look for. Anyway that was my two cents there's tons more id like to say but I'm shure other people are on to it, keep up the content!
So, even being super close to my sm7b I dont have much gain. My interface is the Behringer UMC202HD. What do I need to do to improve the sound? Thanks
Lol when you said you didn't wanna go cheap with the audio interface, I was expecting something really nice, and then you said Scarlett Solo
Haaa! Thought the exact same thing mate.
Yeah like Scarlett Solo isn't bad. it does its job well for most people's needs but it's just weird coming from the guy that spends like thousands on custom water cooling loops that is as he has said himself, more or less completely unnecessary. He'd never skimp out on computer parts or expect an i3 processor to be capable of intensive workstation loads so making out that like 200 or whatever for the scarlett is a lot of money when you can look out there and find ones for 3000 plus (not that you need those by ANY means for good sound) seems a bit mad. It's like going to buy an office chair and saying I didn't want to skimp out so I got one for 120 euro when proper office chairs all exceed the 300 mark at base entry level. That said though, its more than enough for his needs.
@@Jhakaro that's the thing though. Price wise it *looks* like an i5. As a noobie looking for a mic setup you see the $50 mixers and shit and the Scarlet Solo looks like the i5 option.
you're too far from the sm7b!
pro sound engineer here.
when the doggo matches the owner same hair style and color
and literally the same eyes . this is too good to be true
Turns out Jay's two cents are worth exactly that.
Former production sound mixer here. #1 Too far from the mic. #2 SM7B needs a ton of preamp gain which obviously the Scarlet Solo doesn't have. #3 Most radio stations use a lot of compression in conjunction with EQ to give you that "warm" sound you are referencing.
And a valve preamp for extra warm sound
he has a cloud lifter, which i use regularly in studio applications and pairs perfect with the sm7b, it's just a 20dB boost before it ever hits your pre-amp
Jay if you need to do anything sound related Very Highly recommend talking to someone at Sweetwater. I'm a live sound engineer and they are my goto for everything and anything audio. They are extremely knowledgeable and there customer service is second None.
I only buy my gear from Sweetwater. No one else is better at this stuff. And I freaking love my sales engineer, Kenny. The man is legendary. I miss chatting with him on the phone now that everything is shut down.
Hey Aaron, THANK YOU! I’m a sales engineer at Sweetwater and when I started this video I immediately face palmed. I REALLY wish he would’ve called us because I know anyone of us would’ve have gotten him setup correctly from the get go. Also, I appreciate you coming our way for audio / music needs, thanks for the shoutout my friend!
John Paul Hare Kenny is awesome man! We’re actually not shutdown right now, just most of us are working remotely from home. Thanks for the shoutout, we appreciate you! I’ll tell Kenny you say hi haha.
@@zulegmat dude, that's awesome! Happy to hear you guys are working from home. It's tough not being able to plan gigs where I might find myself needing something in a pinch and being able to call up Sweetwater and have that piece in a couple days. Anyway, give him my best! Hope you're all doing well.
Sweetwater has been my goto for hardware since I bought my first amplifier as high school rocker in the 90's. Save for a few small pieces of hardware and my string instruments they've been the company that built me and my business. Every time I get with gear heads we end up discussing at least breifly who each person has as their personal engineer. Mine is Stewart.
Jay, just a bunch of advices from an audio recording affectionate, (I also used to make yt guitar based videos)... this type of equing you did is not the smartest idea in my opinion, for these reasons:
1: no lowpass, no highpass.. therefore alot of noise.
2: by removing the midium end of the sound spectrum, you're making it so that yeah it sounds good by itself, but as soon as you're gonna play a game while talking... you're gonna notice that your voice is gonna disappear.
3: Also please, please NEGATIVE EQUING is the way to go, don't boost frequencies, cut the ones you dont need instead, it will prevent you from doing alot of mistakes like this extreme of a boost on the low end.
100%
He's cutting his mids in a direct way, as opposed to logarithmic like the pattern a typical mid sweeps dial would. He's amplifying the noise, like you said, and negative eq'ing should be standard from what I've learned, before you really know what you are doing.
i'd never really thought about doing the NEGATIVE gains for sound quality, i'd always gone the other way. ill have to play with that on my diaphragm speakers since they reproduce sound soooo clearly
YESS I was so triggered when I saw the curve of that EQ he is overboosting the low frequencies and damaging the original signal.
Didn’t need a physical mixer to get the eq either. Could have gotten a decent interface with built in routing and DSP like an RME babyface, or even used something like virtual audio cable if he didn’t want to replace his interface. The mixer isn’t the best quality and is almost definitely going to add noise, and does definitely add unnecessary gain stages/components. The babyface has better headroom, eliminates the need for cloud lifter altogether, and eliminates the need for mixer for eq. May have saved money that way depending, but would have definitely had better results
That’s just flat out false. There’s nothing wrong with boosting frequencies provided it’s done after compression.
At least one nice thing, the SM7B will hold it's value if you ever decide you don't really need it as a status symbol.
This happens when "buy" goes first then "research" comes second.
I recommend watching Juan Carlos Bagnell's response video to help you out in case you still don't acknowledge the helpful comments here.
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Hey Jay ... i feel like you're a bit far away from the mic and we can hear the room reverb a lot .. maybe with less gain and closer to the mic it would sound better because of the proximity effect too , the closer you are to a mic the low frequencies are brought up more
All that noise is covered by the gameplay anyway.
SinikkaL It is covered by gameplay but that mic was designed to be less than 3 inches from your mouth to get proper sound qualify out of it. He should’ve either went with a condenser mic to have it further away, or he needs to eat the mic way more
I feel like your doing something wrong in your set. I have the same Mic the Sm7b and just the cloud lifter with no mixer just an interface. And My sm7b is nice and warm and in your face. I feel like you might have the Highpass filter on your mic one that will cut out the lows starting at 300hz and below. Because that mic with no eq is has a great low end. And also you need to be up on the mic as well your far away from it so yea it's going to sound less bassy. don't be scared to get all up on that mic that what is was made for. Do more research before making a video about a great mic calling it a waste of money.
Imagine it being 2020 and listening to this guy.
What are you doing on his videos then?
I’m listening to this on $5 headphones...
I'm on a broken free phone lol
And I'm listening to this on €300 headphones... and I have a €10 mic.
I can feel all the other sound and music people watching this getting annoyed by what Jay has said. The Shure Sm7b is a fantastic mic for many reasons. You just need to know how to use it.
More sound engineers in the comments than stars in the night sky
About how the verge pc build video went when they got it all wrong. What do you expect? Professionals take their trades very seriously and want to set the record straight for people that don't know any better. There is a reason audio engineering degrees exist after all.
@@saber-jocky3436 Not even sure it matters these days, Half the population suffers some form of hearing loss, Wouldn't matter if he was using a $20 USB mic to most people watching youtube.
yeah it's almost like when something directly related to someone's career is in a video, they want to comment on it and combat ignorance.
Yesterday pleb, today audio engineer, exactly some people in chat. But no argument that Jay is using the mic very bad way, since the distance is so long, and also, I think that other DAC may do better for this setup. I remember being told to eat the mic so many times at my dabing lessons. If seing a mic in frame is anoying for you, why not consider using a lav or shotgun mic? The are not the same quality, they may be actualy lot worse in terms of vocals, but if hate the look of big black object in front of ur face, then they are a solution.
When Jay realizes that audio is its own world and wonders why it isn't plug and play like half the PC stuff is....
Sound engineer here tearing my hair out
while not the biggest audio misstep, anyone else still waiting for his list of popular broadcast mics to mention the RE20
Join the club, there seem to be a lot of us......
Guys, Help me get an even warmer AT2020 usb mic, pretty please
Not a sound engineer but I minored in music technology and took a few classes on the physics of sound. I’m also pulling my hair out. 100% user error, if he wants the mic 18-24 inches from his face, he should’ve gotten a nice condenser mic. He needs to eat the mic, and he should’ve gotten a proper preamp as well. This whole setup is what it looks like when you don’t do enough research on a topic and then spend a bunch of money on it. Sweet water has excellent sales reps that could’ve gotten him set up properly the first time.
First: "I'll buy a professional microphone for non-professional use w/o professional experience and knowledge. This would work!"
After: "Don't make the same mistake I did..."
So, is it just me that started watching the green led light on the Scarlet Solo go on and off every time Jay spoke ?
its just you.
Rule of thumb: if a product works great for literally everybody, but doesn't work for you, it's probably that you're doing something incorrectly.
Na.
@@Nathansomething yes it is. He clearly uses it wrong. Who tf talks into a sm7b as a shotgun mic? OMEGALUL
Hey Jay. Jay. Observe footage of other users with the sound you're after. Jay. This is a _really_ "Up close and personal" mic. Like, pop-filter-is-slobber-guard close. Jay.
Jay
THIS. He keeps talking about how they use the 7b in every radio station, then sets it 2 feet from his face and wonders why he doesn't sound like the guys who chew foam all day.
All I could focus on was the light flashing to your voice.
same here
Thats the clip indicator on the Scarlett solo. Green is good, read is too much gain.
Dude same
hey jay, Shure SM7B has been $399 as long as i can remember
Nugu Yeah he definitely overpaid for it if it cost him $499.99.
They even went for $350 back then.
It was even cheaper than that, like $349 for quite a lot of years before that. $499 is more expensive than the RE20, and that one was always more expensive than the SM7B.
"Keep it about a fist from your mouth" -Joe Rogan
@Michael Hansen well Joe rogan uses that exact mic and it sounds good on his podcast at about a fist away from his face
Michael Hansen other way around chief
"DAC - Digital Analog Converter" -> it's actually an ADC :D
Also, listening with good headphones, one should be able to easily tell the difference between the Shure and the EQ'd Yeti. The Shure's tone is more natural, more like you hear in professional radio studios. The Yeti ain't bad at all, but it doesn't have that 'pro' timbre.
I'm listening on average one (Audient dac & amp, Meze 99) and even through RUclips compression I can hear the difference, night and day.
but ADC is Attack-Damage Carry :P
i'm listing to it on a macbook and even trough the normal macbook speakers the difference is night and day haha
Honestly I can hear a yeti a mile away and it makes me cringe every time. As a former professional streamer I have heard them so much that they make me cry.
@@LionStark It is even noticeable on a bloody phone.
For recording industry professionals the 7B is not "A waste of money" because they can notice literally every aspect of how every part of a signal chain makes a perceivable difference in the final product and most normal people are not like that. If you're trying to solve problems you don't even have by buying a microphone not intended for the general consumer market because other's are using it then yes you have "wasted your money" . However your setup in fact does perceptibly sound a lot better than the Yeti!! Try using a DAW with some compressors and tube preamp simulators and use the output from there :). - The professional musician who watches your channel.
I've tried the DAW output route and that's way too much complexity IMO. SM7B with a decent outboard channel strip (286s isn't too expensive) and a cheap interface = great sound and super easy. You're right though. I've collected a ton of mics over the years for my project studio, and I've tried a ton of them for voice over and streaming. I always go back to the SM7B. There's too much bleed and room noise when you use a condenser mic for streaming, especially with a clicky GAMING keyboard.
I'm not sure why he boosted the lows so much in his EQ though. I always have a high pass filter set on the 7B to stop it getting muddy with speech. I guess he wants that RADIO SOUND but you sacrifice clarity and it's much more difficult to get it to cut through a mix such as heavily compressed game audio.
the SM7B is a great mic, but yeah it's meant to be used really up close and personal
This may be the tech equivalent of installing your RAM in the wrong slots and getting poor performance and blaming the ram.
Not everyone can know everything, let's be fair to Jay as the audio clan is out strong, but this video could have considered that following other RUclipsrs and their setups is dangerous and that the audio game is very much a separate discipline in itself. The simple description of what is going on here is all over the place at times, and I'd be wary of people looking for solid info watching this video but not reading the comments.
Rework your existing setup any way, getting closer to the mic will bring out some nice low end too. Thanks for all the help this channel gave me when I had to replace my studio computer recently, I've a new 3700x rig and it's going great.
On my HiFi setup, there was a huge difference...
I wonder if he checked the settings on the back of the mic it kind of sound like the low cut and high mid boost was active lol
He just wasn't close enough to the microphone. What Jay wants to hear is the proximity effect you get from being real close to the microphone. That also works with lots of other dynamic mics, like the Sennheiser e835s that I personally use.
Technically, any microphone that has a pickup pattern other than omnidirectional will give you some proximity effect, as it's mostly a side effect of the cancelation principle used to give microphones directional patterns.
That said, larger diaphragm microphones handle close usage better because they're less sensitive to distortion, and will generally lend themselves better to proximity effect, which is why radio hosts favor huge dynamic mics like the RE20 and the SM7B.
I'm almost positive you have the bass roll off switch turned on on the back of the SM7b. You should double check the switches on the back.
He's just way to far from the microphone
Cardioid pattern means that if he isn't right on it, the lows will naturally roll off
Hey JayzTwoCents
I actually prefer that "clip on mic" sound at the start than all those other mics for what RUclips actually finally outputs
I do too, and that lav mic cost far less then the shure did.
I use a $10-15 sony clip-on mic and run it through a dedicated sound card and get much better sound on it than I do with a Yeti or more expensive mics I have tried. Granted I haven't dropped serious money on a sound setup but the clip-ons can be quite good.
Man, imagine being this wrong
Hi Craig. I'm Craig.
The SM7B is great for what it's meant for..... close proximity sound. It's really designed for radio and vocal performance.
I'd if you're willing to dish out the money on a Yeti, you should instead get an Audio Technica AT2020 it's a much better USB mic for similar price range
Since I got some headphones from Audio Technica, I will NEVER even put into consideration another audio hardware from another brand. Their quality/bucks is superb!
You could also consider the neat king bee or any of mxl v67g
I will chip in, if you want to go instead with warmer sound and if you got noisy background, get a Samson Q2U microphone (it can be used as USB and then XLR down the line).
In terms of Mixer/Audio Interface for Streaming good option is to go with GoXLR mini, it has DSP EQ, Gate, Compressor, a Great Pre-AMP for Microphone (73dB gain, -129dB EIN , 108db DR) and also quite decent DAC and okay AMP for 150ohm headphones. You can also use it with headset (3.5mm jacks) at start and apply EQ, Gate, Compressor for great sound System Wide, not only OBS and recording. You also get 4 Faders for Virtual Channels (discord, spotify, headphones etc).
If you want good Audio Interface DO NOT GET Focusrite SOLO (it's mediocre in comparison to alternatives), get better Audient EVO 4, Native Instruments Komplete Audio 2 at same price range, more I/O better quality, and over Focusrite 2i2 get the Motu M2, like the best budget AI currently.
Better I/O, feature set, PreAmps and Headphone AMP.
You can thank me later...
i was literally just about to make the same comment! AT2020 FTW!
AT2020 is legendary in all its forms
Literally coulda got a GoXLR Mini for $250 and skipped the cloud lifter and all that other stuff altogether. The Midas preamps in that thing are MORE than enough AND you can EQ on a 6 band, 10 band if you get the full size. I use a Rode PodMic with a GoXLR Mini and EQ’d it for a couple hours to get it to sound like a properly used and EQ’d SM7B and the PodMic was $100...I obviously don’t have as much thickness and presence, it’s definitely lost, but at a quarter of the cost, you could have had a VERY solid setup. But you spent almost $1,000 to use your equipment improperly...
You’re the one who didn’t do their research and went budget happy mode. You could have bough this mic for $400 with a scarlett 2i2 interface for less that a $100 and along with delivery put a wild $50. Still much less.
Really? Putting this mic up with a scarlett? This mic needs a quality preamp to deliver its potential.
Everyone else: talks about the mic and the vid
Me:ignores the vid and goes AWW all over your husky
you bought a mic designed for high end audio production and complained it was overpriced for streaming and RUclips videos. It's not overpriced whatsoever, what it offers is above and beyond the quality a yeti could ever achieve. Sure it's not required for a RUclips video or a stream, but to call it overpriced because you're not using it for its intended application is a bit disingenuous.
The point is, for people who are streaming, gaming, and using it for home applications, its not worth the investment.
@@braydennturner So you just didn't read the last sentence of my comment or...?
Get a boom arm for the mic, it's easier to adjust and doesn't obscure your view as much as the scissor arm.
You're out of your mind!
The SM7/Scarlet setup is MUCH better than the Yeti setup.
Much nicer, no. Especially for the price.
will smb is a good drum over head is and good vocal mic yeit sucks
I got my SM7B its been almost a week and its Dope....... the needed to do his research.. ... Long story short be close to the mic and its all good
Voicemeeter allows a kinda digital eq/audio router so you could have an eq work for anything whether it be skype discord or recording
EQ by itself is only a tip of the iceberg, all microphone are meant to be used with processing, gate/compression/limiter/de-esser.
ALSO it's best recommended to use subtractive EQ, removing the noise/tone that you don't like, no loss of quality and faster processing by downscaling rather than upscaling.
Adding tones has its place and uses, but it's only should be used in minority of situation and only increase tone by 1-2 dB.
@@KryssN1 Yea if you don't have the hardware for it, you def want to run this through a DAW of some sorts (probably the easiest) and do what you want to the sound in there then feed it through to OBS, Discord or whatever afterwards.
2:23 - Can't proceed with the video until we see moar pics and video of your husky..
TLDR: Jay dumb. Don't be a Jay.
:D
I was watching this video and my head just hurts. You should've done some research before buying the Shure SM7B... I've used this mic to make radio shows and the quality is beyond anything if it's in a decent setup. You should've gotten a condenser mic with the distance and the way of using it seriously. Like the RØDE Broadcaster, very similar in price and a good mic and I guess a little more user friendly. Or take advice from people that have a lot more audio experience than me.
The thing is, the Blue Yeti is a great mic. Very easy, plug and play make it sound good. More professional mics just need more experience. I've made setups that took me a long time to make anything sound good.
It's all learning and experience. See this a money spent on learning and some nice gear I guess. But don't you dare attack the greatest mic in my heart.
he never attacked the microphone and said that he screwed up and got caught up with the microphone. all he was saying was that for streaming setups there are much better alternatives. i understand your frustration and it would be completely valid if he said the mic was a bad buy no matter what but he didn't.
I agree the Yeti would suit him better.
@@Critical3rror Of course he wasn't attacking the mic directly. I feel like he was going on about the Yeti being much better value and overall I would really disagree with that sentiment. There is so much potential to a Shure SM7B that a Yeti can't even come close to. For streaming and ease of use the Yeti does have great value. Just like the Blue Snowball sounds like fucking headset mics in most videos. So terrible, but it really doesn't have to with the right precautions.
If you want studio quality you must invest in studio skills. That also means buying useless shit or spending money on things you don't need after all if you miss out on research you might have not known you should have done.
Honestly, I'm not as salty as I might come across. :-) Also Jays content is usually great and we all make mistakes. Honestly my fan and RGB setup in my PC is so stupid, if I had just spend the money better, right? 🤷♂️ We learn and overcome. :)
@@CheesyMcBeard As I said maybe the Broadcaster as a nice upgrade as it is easier to drive. But the Yeti is great either way, might as well stick with it.
That sweet warm sound you want comes from compression, saturation and EQ all together.
*that you dont want
@@Tacet137 thats the joke
Indeed, proximity effect at its finest. EQing it would likely leave it thin
That's actually not correct. The warmth comes from proximity effect. Jay was waaaaay too far from the mic to generate proximity effect, and that's where dynamic mics shine. The SM7B into a Cloudlifter sounds lovely out of the box, *if* you're "eating the mic".
Tape saturation is only used to make digital audio sound like has been recorded on tape. Irrelevant here. And if you're using EQ and compression *properly*, it won't change the characteristics of the audio very much.
@@RocketDragons it's all those things put together. I'm an audio engineer.
Well I mean the sm7b really wasn't made for livestreaming...
Go tell Roth Wellden, you night save him 😂
Hunter Fountain it's used my the majority of top streamers.
Hey,
Ban drew has created a podcast episode (BSB-212) with great information!
I would recommend GOXLR with Shure SM7B you wont need cloudlifter and GOXLR has EQ software
so instead spend another $500 with your $500 mic. Got it. Haha.
@@Ketonomics GOXLR is £300 you can get a mini version 2 My original set up was SM7B cloud lifter and Audent id 14
If you want just good Mic Pre-Amp with DSP on a budget, get a Channel Strip like DBX286s or Behringer MDX. You need some space for that though.
If you don't need effects then GoXLR is way better value for starting streamers.
Audio Interface that are better than Focusrite SOLO: Audient EVO 4 and NI Komplete Audio and AI that is better than Focusrite 2i2: Motu M2.
Just my 5 centz
SM7B isn't necessary for PC use. Hes right, Harris (Alpha Gaming) pretty much proved that if you spend much more than $100 on a mic, you're basically wasting your money as you can get $100 mics to sound great, and the additional coast of something like the SM7B you WILL NOT HEAR though a PC, especially if you are posting that content on Twitch or RUclips, who compresses that shit Anyway, so the extra 'quality' just gets tossed out regardless.
@@lyianx the 2nd mic in this video is £100 you can hear the difrence and Harris uses a £2000 mic in all his videos. I like Haris though hes the reason i got the GOXLR
You should take a look at Equalizer APO!!
Its EQ or VST plugins even work with Skype etc. then.
Also very useful for output
Wooo I don't know that
Yes.
Fun Fact: It was Michael Jacksons favorite Mic. He recorded almost all songs with it.
Actually it was Quincy Jones, his producer, who pushed for it. The singer doesn't (usually) make those kind of decisions, or know enough to make those.
Lirae some singers, especially in today’s day and age, producer and mix their own music themselves. this is known. singers also learn a lot over the years of recording in studios, as i’m sure you can understand.
@@rebeltugFPS Absolutely. But we were talking about Michael Jackson, especially his early career. So as far away as making it all in the box as possible :)
Lirae I believe most accounts credit the mic selection, at least initially(Thriller) to the recording engineer, Bruce Swedien, who was also quoted as saying "I was allowed the freedom to make microphone choices, and nobody ever said a word. I just did it." but either way, MJ was not the one making the call at that point.