From a creator standpoint, the most valuable lesson I took away from all this is you are only as good as your team, and it's impossible to do everything alone. Such a sick collab, thanks guys!
Yes, this. With Steve and his crew you get extreme detail and meticulously collected and distilled data, but have to sit through a 30 minute video full of information and complex charts and graphs. When you really want to get that kind of data there's no substitute to GN. With Jay it's more like hanging out and building a new PC or figuring out some hardware issue on a Friday night with your best friend who happens to be a hugely experienced PC nerd and just having a great time.
watching Jay since like 2013 I can say that it's 100% truth, Steve is when you want the in depth specs of gpu or other stuffs and Jay is when you want a fun video but don't really care about in depth specs
Imo. Jay’s content stagnated a bit for me since so many YT personalities are sharing the same info with similar benchmarks to the point of redundancy. Thats where niche elements come in. What keeps me in the loop for Jay’s channel is literally because it’s Jay and his two other teammates Phil and Nic.
@@mannydcbianco Most people aren't going to get into the gamers nexus level of details in understanding configuration and hardware specific settings. Jay runs into problems that a lot of people will by taking this approach. That's a feature.
Jay, I hope this doesn't come across in a bad way... your videos and content fill a certain space for me and Steve's fills a different space. One cannot replace the other... your approach is home/homelab facing and gives ideas for building and maintaining systems while evaluating product with a consumer focus. For me that is necessary and greatly appreciated. To be honest watching you make mistakes, you don't do that often, reassures me that this is a complex hobby. Steve's approach/content on the other end drills deeply, sometimes more than I can ingest in a single setting, into the engineering aspects of the products and development as well as the consumer protections that are necessary. Looking forward to 2025 content from both of you!!! Keep doing you and stay healthy!
Exactly this, both fill different needs, jay taught me how to build in a fun friendly way, gamers nexus taught me how ram works in detail and how corporate greed is present and can be fought against
@@Defnotabot_ None of these larger channels are, though? He doesn't need to be a "technical authority" (whatever that means) since he usually cites and/or brings such qualified people onto the channel anyway, unlike every other channel. Trying to claim he just "likes to speak as one" is extremely dishonest.
Gotta say, bud, the only way this could come across in a bad way is by prefacing it with "I hope this doesn't come across in a bad way..."😅. Great comment, I feel it speaks exactly to what Jay is best at.
@@xaniso6955 I just didn't want to come across as "Jayz big brother Steve"... the content each of them provide is valuable to me and hit a different need segment... for Jayz channel to be more like Steve or vice versa would compromise the content and value.
TBF, when I want to know how great a cases airflow is, I go to Steve, when I want to know how easy a case is to build in, I check Jay's videos, so the differentiator needs to stay.
You hit the nail on the head! I watercool all of my systems so it doesn't matter how great the airflow is if it doesn't meet my other needs, and vise versa...I think both of their content styles are necessary...
@brucepreston3927 same, I run a custom loop with a 240 and a 360, so I need to know can air get through the rads, and how easy is it to fit rads in, which that is one of the big things Jay points out
agree and Jay tends to look at the build in from a "non conventional" front like OPEN LOOP on "normal" cases and where and how many rads can be jammed in
Jay: Hey, so be brutally honest about my channel! Its all in good fun 😊 Steve: Well, actually Jay, that's what we came to talk to you about. You see, we've been conducting a multi-year investigation.... Jay: 😢 Edited cause of typo
Steve is unapologetic when calling out injustices large and small. I wouldn't call Jay neutral as he's definitely stepped up his accountability of the industry the last few years, but it's like talking to PR versus a death squad if you are a manufacturer looking for a plea bargain.
@@johnmeneses7039 Dude's just a hater. I wish RUclips gave you more than 3 comments from the channel comment history to look at. But it's just a bunch of repetition with seemingly no answer. Could be wrong but I can't see that.
Honestly, I very much appreciate Jay's more laid back style of content. That's not a criticism of GN (or Jay) in any way, quite the opposite. Both channels have helped me make informed tech purchases over the years, which is especially relevant since I live on a country where sometimes even mid-end electronics can cost the price of a freaking car. When there's a new product release I come to GN to hear all the specs and the minutiae beyond the BS the manufacturer claims. Then I come to Jay to know how much trouble I'll have actually installing and running the part.
I definitely agree with this - I love Steve and his methodology, but after a long day of tech-ing at work, I can't sit through another 30min of presentations on tech unless I'm actively thinking of buying it. Jay is a much more fun vibe, causing chaos (and then fixing it), whilst still having the consumer best interests at heart. Definitely space for all sorts in the tech space 👍
I can agree with your comment. Honestly with Gamers Nexus is that when I am hearing impaired with Cochlear implants (Nucleus 7 model) on both sides and using ReSound PhoneClip+ over BlueTooth for direct streaming from PC through this adapter to my Cochlea implants, it can be tiring and overloaded for my head to hear Steve talking in one without pause and with so much information and unnecessary swearing words that could have been done more in professional way as shown in NZXT Flex program exposed video. The difference with the lawyer interview about the contract part is huge that is better, easier and more professional way to talk, get information and be understandable. That's why I stay away from this channel too much. Of course I don't follow much Gamers Nexus, just few times and based much on this video mentioned above, but I like JayzTwoCents and LTT (only too much sponsor parts and much on US-only stores breaks their videos) better this way of talking. My opinion is just what from I experience when I see on their style of videos. Never seen Level1Tech and der8auer EN channel at all, only video recommendations appearing on right side because they seems to be more niche on my level of tech interest.
@@peterwstacey Jays video you almost feel like you COULD be there doing it with him where as Steve is very technical and a level we "mortals" can not reproduce OR want to reproduce but the content is great for its "use case"
Jay wants to evolve. I really respect that. People say, dont change this and dont do that. The man has a right to evolve. Respect that and enjoy the ride.
I've seen some comments to this degree, and I think it's true, when I want hard numbers I usually go to GN, when I want super niche or weird stuff I hit LTT, and when I want what the experience would be like for me, I hit here. Or if I want what feels like a more positive voice I hit here. To me your strength has always been what feels like a more condensed passion for gaming, and so when you're feeling a bit disappointed or hurt by it, that affects me more than GN finding another hardware defect. I also think your experience of 'this is what happened to us, and this is how I fixed it' is so useful. It's really helped me work on some of my own stuff. Like 'our numbers were way lower than what we expected or others were getting' 'oh I had to revert to this bios and change this setting' and that's all really handy, and relatable. I think that's the term I'd best use for your content, relatable. You get frustrated at the same things I would, you make the same mistakes -I- would, and so those are things I can look out for. More data and numbers are definitely good, but I really hope you don't change at least the format of your content much. Also if I got a dream job and got to work with one of the big youtubers yours would be the one I'd want to most, because I feel like the main point of your channel is to condense it down to 'this is what excited enthusiast needs/wants to know.' It's taking techspeak and specs and translating it to laymen's terms.
This first sentence just nails it. Each channel fills a different need based on the perspective at the time. And each channel serves us all as a whole in the end.
Niche? LTT gets weird and niche stuff way after several other better creators do. From servers to strange SBCs. Not even talking about electronics. And If you take away them being "funny", there's no value to take from LTT.
My two favorite techies. Generally speaking: Steve is my 'what is best and who should I buy it from? ' Jay is my 'Things to consider when you but it all together/install.'
Steve mentioning that he takes the worst shift during major launches is admirable. I think that is a quality of a great leader and I would love to work for someone like him
@@mikesunboxing That is not fair, just so you know. And in "fairness" if he doesn't mind it and doesn't consider it the worst shift himself he wouldn't have called it that.
@@mikesunboxingI do prefer early starts these days, so I normally totally invert my sleep schedule for big reviews. But that's OK! I'm in it for the chaos. It's fun, and it's different as the owner of the channel obviously. Wouldn't want the team to do that. You must be a long time viewer, which I greatly appreciate, as there was a time I preferred later starts. Many years ago now, though!
@@edwinlongwellSteve always looks super awkward unless he is in his own studio...I think part of the reason he looks weird in this video is because the table he is sitting at is too tall for him! Jay is a very tall person and Steve is not...
@@brucepreston3927yeah can confirm (saw Jay at a pax event and he is pretty huge) sadly wasn't able to talk to him. I did meet Barnacles and his camera operator though and we talked for a while. Pretty cool experience
Interesting to hear that Steve has a real actual history and a background. I think most people assume he just popped out of the womb while on a break from writing a disapproving letter to a naughty tech company.
Jay, let me just say this: I watch four different content pieces, and read one: For harder testing I go GN/HB For Basic B1tch I go LTT For the every man I go to you. For Linux and much more technical I go Wendell For deep dive Linux stuff I go read Phoronix. You have a place in the review space, and I hope these "impartments" won't ruin your current style.
You gotta be careful with Phoronix, the guy who runs it can be a bit..... enthusiastic about some things and misreport what actually happens with patch sets, but he's overall a decent guy from what I can tell. I'm subscribed to LTT so I can see the shitstorm that happens when that house of cards finally collapses.
@@Lockwood360 Name one instance that GN has been wrong and hasn't immediately posted a correction and covered it in the very next episode. The goal isn't to make no mistakes, it's to make as few mistakes as possible and address them when you screw up. GN does this.
@@philstephes His hair and smug appearance for one lmao. Definitely wrong for going after LTT just for views. Had nothing to do with him at all. Just a tattle tail at best. His benchmarks are off all the time. To many times to count. People like you just believe hes always right.
I've been a Software QA Engineer for almost 15 years now and I regularly explain my job as "I break things for a living." QA can be amazing, it can also be very stressful - it's all about the culture of Eng vs QA. Sometimes you get amazing engineering teams who really value QA and nothing feels better than having an Eng come over, ask about the bug to get short context beyond the formal write up, then go "awesome, keep it up!" Most Engineers will have an almost adversarial view of QA, but when you get those rare cultures that value QA, this job becomes one of the most enjoyable things. Cheers!
i WAS a software dev at some point ( now i'm into teaching) .. the thing is ..when you spend time coding and send your product to the testing team , then the next day , you have pages of tickets about the things they managed to break.... it's still something . i know they love finding ways to break the logic of my code.
hahaha Steve nailed it. I have mad respect for the guy and he is tech jesus for a reason. I use his stuff when I really need that level of detail. About 9.9/10 though I just don't need that level of detail. He isn't for me, but I completely understand his value and wouldn't take anything away from him and hopes he does this for a long time. I wouldn't say I don't like him... I just don't want to watch him (still subbed tho! gotta support). I'd rather see Jay say I digress 10X in a video, or a fart joke, or a phallic joke, or a joke about what she said about the other guy. I want to see the bloopers and the retakes and the ruined shots thrown in. I want to see him damage a motherboard beyond repair because it was stupid and awesome. I value Steve's super in depth reporting and Jay's derpiness. Jay has great content and it scratches the itch and I for one pray you don't mirror Steve. Steve's right... don't lose your vibe. Love you both!
Hey Jay, love that you brought on someone to give feedback and kudos for not getting offended. The thing I take from your channel sometimes is the guy who gets bleeding edge stuff, tries it like someone would at home and gets burned by these companies putting out half baked products. I think your "not spending the next 4 hours" is like me at home who can't do that but expects a product to work. But the fact that you come back with your next level of discovery is one of the reasons people come to your channel. So, while I hear what Steve is saying and it's worth incorporating to a certain degree, I think your "every person" perspective of implementing new tech is valuable.
I very much agree. It is usefully to have that kind of perspective with these products. At the end of the day the average consumer barely understands enough to assemble a functioning system so when u have to get into clean windows installs after swapping major components it gets messy. We benefit from the more "every man" approach.
That's not what Steve was referring to with the 4 hour bit. He meant it in regards to specifically information, in order to be more accurate in a video. Jay makes a lot of incorrect statements on his channel when it comes to basic info. It has nothing to do with hoping hardware works out of the box, bad products, builds, or anything like that. That's a completely different issue. He's not saying to change his review style, just his review accuracy. Jay isn't you at home. He's a RUclipsr that also happens to be you at home. He's speaking strictly in a manner for making RUclips videos (from one YT'er to another YT'er) and how much headache it'd save Jay and his team in corrections, apologies, you name it, just to spend a little more time actually looking into the information he's talking about.
Glad to see the tech channels pushing their peers to improve and respectfully holding each other accountable. Its good for the consumer that these guys can pick each other's brains to provide the best data, while maintaining their own style.
This is really cool. I think a lot of us watch both your channels, and seeing you pick eachothers brains about methodology and commiserating on the state of both the industry and content creation surrounding it is fantastic. Thanks, Steve! (and Patrick!)
Thanks Steve. Great to see Steve and Patrick sharing thier knowledge and Jay so willing to learn from them. Jay is good, but I look forward to see what the new Jay becomes. Jay with long, silver hair would definitely be different 😂
@@themole70 IDK I like the hair personally. Wish I had the patience to grow mine that long. I get to like 1/3rd and by then the curls become such a pain to manage.
Steves hair is part of his brand identity, just like Jay being a little goofy. Steve already knows he would make a killing on selling or advertising hair products. He's known as tech Jesus because of it. Not sure Jay would be known as Gandolf the gray, maybe the Grey Haired Goof. Love watching ya Jay, your not the only goof on jayztwocents
honest peer feedback and peer collaboration on improving testing and stuff like this will only drive the community forward as a whole. love to see this kind of collaboration.
When I want GN stuff, I go to GN. When I want JTC stuff, I go to JTC. It's great to solicit ideas and do some introspection, but at the end of the day, I personally feel better knowing the content that each of you makes individually (as well as other channels) are out there, and I'm here for it. Happy Holidays!
One thing I do miss seeing on your channel Jay, is your hygienics videos. Using orange juice in an open loop to see how it compares to regular coolant. Duct taping an air conditioner to pieces of cardboard to blast a component and see what happens. The videos that come about spontaneously are very entertaining, and break up the monotony of discussions about overpriced gpus, which company is screwing over the consumer this time, etc. A few of these hygienics few a year would be awesome
There are reasons for all of these streamers to exist. I use Jay for quick info that is generally objective and fairly accurate. If I want to deep dive an issue, I will turn to Steve's content. Linus has become less objective and too biased for my liking. It is more entertainment focused.
One of the things I like about Linus which he does is bring greater awareness of larger scale tech to people in a way they can understand. He does some interesting bits on enterprise level equipment and concepts. Some of his weirder videos are based on super high level concepts he's somehow figured out how to shrink down to a hobby level.
Objective? Accurate? Lol. I find his channel to be purely entertainment. He tends to go with the flow and not really research much into what he talks about. Lost count of how many correction videos and comments Jay has to do because of the surface level look. He's never really learned from that, but that's okay, because he does correct himself often, unlike Linus. Jay is my "I want to turn my brain off and hang out with the boys" channel, with GN being my "I want peerless integrity and well researched information in long format."
Yup totally agree with this. Also agreed I can't watch Linus anymore. Especially after the billet incident. He actually almost killed that company because of his own mistakes and incompetence
Love this :) In my work we have structured shift "Turn Overs" - a one page form that gets filled in near the end of each shift so the next shift knows what was done on the past shift and if any problems popped up. Keeping those in a project-binder or something gives an easy to digest history of work / testing done. Combine that with an SOP and you'll be able to identify any issues much more easily. The SOP can have sample checklists in it, something super simple like: (test-game "A") Ran OK ✅ FPS: (xxx), Test Failed ✅ What happened: (blue-screened or game froze...). This way you know what to run next and what issues may need a deeper dive. I love both of your channels for different reasons :) You guys do great work and I appreciate the honesty, integrity, and passion. As someone who buys pre-builts for home-use, I don't even qualify as a noob in this space - But both of you have helped me overcome some of my fears when it comes to upgrading piecemeal. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos! Your teams are awesome!
I've been watching JayzTwoCents for years and the fact that he has another big tech youtuber on his channel and asks for constructive criticism earned a sub. So many people are absorbed in their own egos and don't want to hear anyone's opinions/suggestions. This is how you show people that a community isn't just about yourself. So many young kids and even adults will take a lot of knowledge/insight into what it means to be great. Thanks for a great video without any ego, Jay!
@@ZnakerFIN Which interestingly starts to translate videos in your native language into english sounding gibberish. RUclips is constantly breaking features i never opted into and won't let me opt out.
My goodness it really does say Job interview. I clicked because I saw Jay and Steve on the thumbnail and didn't even read the title lol. This feature is useless, broken, unwanted and just pesky, it furthers my distaste for RUclips as a whole as they just keep making the platform more hostile to users.
@@jayhill2193 it would make sense if YT asked you wether you needed translation.. like they offer auto captions so they translate the title too.. but they don't tell you so every french person thinks it's a french video --Which is unlikely since Jay barely speaks english--
For me Jay's most banger videos are when he explains things like how he explained how to fix the 14900K Video Memory Allocation error. Without that video I probably would have thrown my computer through a wall out of frustration. I appreciate the tutorial videos like that, that are geared towards like intermediate/enthusiast PC owners because we may know a lot more than your average joe but we still need help sometimes too
Exactly! Paul's Hardware put out a video going step by step through installing windows from a thumbdrive and I've referenced back to it everytime I build a system. Videos like that, which Jay also does frequently, are invaluable tools
I appreciate that Steve gives Patrick some well-deserved speaking time too and simply shows respect towards peers. The man is knowledgeable and can voice opinion, this all is win-win-win. I'm looking forward to the results of your new insights Jay. Perhaps an idea is after the main part of the video is where you feel you misfired, be open and upfront about it. You and the team can steer yourself, the audiance can help you steer and your peers could reach out and advice here on after.
Steve has such great moral and ethical standards. It’s a rare find on RUclips these days and has regularly pointed me in the right direction for purchases that I’ll be happy with. Glad to see some of this is coming over to Jay.
I just wanna thank Jay and Steve, and everyone involved in both channels. Yall help us noobs a lot. I've looked at both of you guys so much over the past 5 years I've been gaming on PC. Coming from being a console only gamer, the videos helped a bunch! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all! 🎄❄
I was backed into a software testing position from a low level IT support position and was the most hated person in the company. It was a lonely existence so if you are wanting to work in this field I recommend working for the largest company you can find or try to merge the testing responsibilities with another position or make it a shared responsibility.
I’ve been a software QA tester for 7 years. I love breaking stuff! But I’ve also made the mistake of OK’ing something that went to production and broke everything. This job can be stressful but also very rewarding.
I like watching jayz, gamers nexus, hardware unboxed and ltt for varied reasons. Between all of them I get a fairly good view of a product. I think all of you need to constantly change and grow and not all changes will be good but that is part of life. Good luck.
So I wanted to bring up my pov. First I wanted to say I really enjoy and love both of y'all's channels and content. The way I look at it is I always come here first for product reviews, because you dive deep enough for me to get the info I want and need to know. It's usually quick and I can get at least a half ass idea of what we're dealing with. Then I will go over to GN's channel if I want to take a even deeper dive into the numbers and testing side of things. I just don't want you to switch your content so much that is skews who u are and what this channel is. Im all for a more rigorous testing method that would bring about more accurate info sometimes. Just please stay the same and don't change who you are and what this channel is and what it always has been.
Literally my two favourite tech channels. I watch Steve for a deep forensic investigation. I watch Jay for a combo of information and entertainment. Great to see Steve refining Jay's processes, but as they say, still got to keep different styles.
The fact that Jay asked Steve for a sanity check and Steve obliged... which resulted in this professional respectful interaction is great. You guys are approaching hero status. Thank you for the great video!
I love this video. Things need tidied up, but not radically changed. Better benchmarks and processes are needed, but you definitely need to keep your style too which is easy to digest for consumers on the more basic level. Little mistakes with writing need cleaned up. If you look back at AMD Ryzen videos in particular you will notice lots of small mistakes with information regarding the platform and more. I look forward to seeing the changes and tbh congratulations on wanting to improve, loving the vibe!
The dynamics as i see it: Jay is the everday day jack of all trade IT man, keeping it simple and fun but down to earth. Steve is the tehnical author, hyper focused and driven on the little things. Linus is the crazy rich uncle, he knows his IT but needs EXTREAM in his life without limitations.
Don't forget about Louis Rossman is the loud neighbor, but happy to have him on your side or to fix some delicate piece of circuitry, and Level1Techs being the underestimated tech hoarder that oozes knowledge and Linux
I love and watch all you guys. Steve, Linus, and Jay. You’re all different and I can watch all three of you guys on the same topic and learn something new. The beautiful thing is you’re all different and you’re not trying to be each other or compete with each other. If I want extensive graphs and information I’ll watch gamers nexus.
It’s always great to see peers sharing thoughts, opinions and ideas with each other. Jay to me you will always be the master of water cooling and Steve/GN will always be the analytical Jesus. Whatever direction you take Jay, as long as you continue to enjoy doing what you do, subscribes old and new will appreciated it. I look forward to 2025 and the content you, GN and others produce.
"Learning how to learn" is spot on! I dropped out of an electronic engineering degree, in part due to financial issues but also because I realised it wasn't what I wanted to spend my life doing, but the skills I gained in university allowed me to walk in to a support position with no IT related qualifications (although I had grown up around computers, both my parents are programmers!). Worked up from there and been in IT over 10 years now :) I wouldn't be here without having learnt to find, qualify and present information properly.
Been around for the whole 10 yrs and longer! I really miss the early days for you, Linus, Newegg crew, NCIX, Barnaclees, Ryan Shroud. Ahhh, the good ole days. We've lived through the blow up of professional RUclips creators and tech.
@evilone001 ahhh, yep forgot to mention them. I do miss when Logan, pistol, and wendal were an oddball team lol. Even bought the music album they did. Austin....he was better back then than today imo. I remember feeling pretty bad when his place burnt down. I guess marques as well should go into this group.
@@PinchCactus agreed. They weren't so huge and all original fun content. I miss the unboxing of every component from back in those days. Now there's less of that. Pauls hardware does a decent job. Kyle and Joanne disappeared from the main channels even though they still did content. The Newegg unboxing were great.
@@Superacerc Kyles tech impressions video and Pauls drunken m.2 excitement , "Hey whats up guys, Joker here", Wendels face behind the monitors and The Tek in general will live rent free in my head forever.
Actually seeing you both on a video together is quite refreshing. I never once thought you guys was competing against each other either. I watch you both for different reason but i love you both for that. Definitely more water cooling needs to come back, & i totally get water cooling has had a hard few years. But i genuinely hope the path your taking works out for you and i will continue to watch you both as you have built my knowledge and helped me decide my own gaming pc path and case.
Best of luck getting things to do standard that you set for yourself. Everything takes time.. We're all here to learn from and be on the journey together. Don't lose your silly little quirks along the way. I can't speak for others but I like your entertainment factor and jokes. It's not overbearing to the point that it distracts from the information that you set out to share.
I was just waiting for "stop cutting your hair!" But, your channels are so complementary that I almost always watch both (and der8auer and maybe more) about most topics...
I love Jay, Steve, and Linus specifically cause they're all so different and I know I'll get a different insight into products from different tech levels. Linus is the silly trying to be corporate, Steve is the super technical, Jay is the normie uncle.
Nice video! Repeatable process, documentation and analysis is the key for consistency. On another note, how big will the charity have to be to have Steve get a Jay haircut? 🤣
Jay, I love your channel and I understand the need to improve but honestly, I love your style so don't stray much from it. GN I go to Steve for the more deep dive information stuff. LTT I just don't watch anymore since they always have stuff that no one can ever afford or get their hands on. Great that you three got together and learn from each other. It really shows how much you really love this stuff and aren't just in it for the money and fame. Lol
I like J2C, GN and Hardware Unboxed, only 3 computer related channels I really watch consistently. Each offers something unique, with their own style of doing things and that is what I like, don't fix it if it ain't broke, and I think all 3 channels doing just fine as is.
This is a great video. Steve and his team have become the gold standard for good reason. That said, I like watching Jay’s videos for the character they bring as well. It’s great to want to evolve as the times and the hobby evolves, and I can think of no better model to help you in that than the team at GN. It’s such a huge field, the realm of data required for case reviews is so distinct from cooler reviews, motherboard reviews, graphics reviews… you could easily sink millions into developing test methodology and capability for these things. I think, for my part, the best thing to do would be to choose a few domains you want to dive deeper into and really work on developing robust methodologies in those arenas. For the others? Let that influence you, but don’t lose sight of what’s worked for you so far. You don’t need to be the best at everything. No one is expecting you to drop six figures on a hemi-anechoic chamber, Steve already did that!
Kudos to you Jay. It's a mark of a good leader who can identify weaknesses in an area, seek out expertise to improve, listen to that expertise, and implement those improvements. It's just going to make your content that much better while also staying true to your style.
Think that bridge has been well and truly burnt. Unless Linus is sick of the GN fans in the comments of LMG videos nitpicking I don't see what Linus gets from it.
8:30 Thats one thing I'm very grateful to my teachers in programming, they taught us how to look for the solution instead of teaching us the solution. On exams they would actually give us the ability to google how to do things, look at forums etc. At the end of the class then she would place everyone in front of the projector and we would explain the solutions we found, then she should show us her own solution. Honestly my best skill right now.
Ugh, I hate this automatic title and description translation "feature" on youtube. For me, being in germany, the title of this video says "GN-Vorstellungsgespräch" which translates to "GN application" as in "job applications". Sadly, RUclips's only response to complaints on other social media about it is "Use the feedback button". Guess what, RUclips: I did that many times, proposing a viewer-side option for translations. Hasn't happened yet. Some people online say it helps to change the Google account location. Really? Trade one translation target language for another? Thanks, but no thanks. Gladly, RUclips hasn't forced the audio translation on me yet, neither on this channel nor anywhere else (Don't get any ideas, RUclips).
I feel you do a great job, and anyone who is good at their profession will invite open critique and grow their position. You mentioned the concept of "catering" to 2 million... You've got a great style of sharing your content and providing your finds, but I would only change what you see needs changed, not anyone else. I'm not sure what your goals are Jay, but you do well. I hadnt built a rig in a very long time... over 15 years which was grinding at me. Couple years back I built an AM5 build that was a ton of fun. At the time, I spent just over 3k which was 1k over budget, but I dont regret a single element of the build. Your info led me on some solid discoveries. All in all, you'll fine tune it down, man. Keep on tweaking... the work, not meth ⚠️ and have fun with the process. I check in every now and then because your channel left a positive impact. Good luck brother!
10:11 as a software test engineer I can 100% agree with that statement. Nothing more fun than breaking something, reproducing it and then passing it on to the dev with a note "good luck fixing this 😁 Oh and don't make any of the automated tests I wrote fail in the process 👀". Good times.
Yall fill different niches, and both are important. Steve is my go to guy when I need to know something, and I need to know that my sources sources are reliable. GN's spectacular transparency and policies grant me that. You're my go to when Ive had a long day at work and I wanna smoke up kick back and watch some tech content, I dont like LTT and nobody else does the entertainment side as well as you IMO.
Jay, I love your channel for what it is and I appreciate you wanting to move your testing and results gathering forward. It was brave to invite this feedback openly. I look forward to seeing your changes but don’t lose your style and charm on the way!
I like GN hardware news, but some of the reviews are too detailed, it's a commitment to watch a review, I totally appreciate GN though and watch often, for some reason I like Jay and Wendell, Paul's good to, I can't stand LTT, and hardware unboxed has good content, but I'm just not a fan of them , can't really explain why 🤔
@@MichaelWilliams-py6ez yeah love steve but more then 5minute of his monotone i can't take it. so I just skim through and get clif notes on all important videos
Great to see the mutual respect you guys have for each other. Kudos to you Jay for wanting to expand and learn more about different sides of things. Can’t wait to see your new content once you and your team figure out what works for you. Can we please start an online petition for Steve and GN to head the yet to be named Department of Hardware Technology Efficiency .. DOTHE
Very interesting to hear the honest respectful conversation. Always great to talk and learn from others, but I'd hate for our favourite (cdn, eh?) creators to start being the same... that being said, it's wonderful for conversations like this to happen, AND for us to listen to them. Jay - you keep doing your thing... Steve - you keep doing your thing... we watch you both for what each of you adds to the conversation and this community.
My biggest concern is how we are going to survive all these financial and political crises, especially the power struggle in the US. The government has really made things difficult for its citizens and we cannot just sit by and suffer the consequences of bad governance🙏...
I am new to the crypto world and don't understand how it really works. A friend told me trading with a professional trader is the best strategy for beginners and busy investors, but for months now I've been making so research and haven't found any.please any recommendations
I like Jay's channel for the same reason I like Top Gear. It's the comedy, entertainment value, and being centered around a hobby that I love. "Ambitious but rubbish" should be accepted just for the entertainment value. I always felt like JayzTwoCents had this feel to it. Hope it doesn't lose that charm.
I love the way Jay does his stuff... I love the way Steve does his stuff.... Both of them bring something specific to the table and both are valuable to me... Both on being informed and on knowing how things work on a deeper level
Jay, I enjoy GN, Linus, and your programming each as their own. I enjoy the contrast between each program. Sometimes I can see where each one contradict each other from time to time; and times when each agrees. I like how each one doesn’t take the same path in their reviews so those of us that watch multiple reviews, can feel we get a more complete idea. I feel GN is like watching news(factual), Linus feels like an infomercial (which works), and when it comes to your show I’ve always felt like it was a couple of guys just having a conversation ( like hey look what I've found). Please keep your style as much as possible as you grow. Also as a car guy myself, I appreciate how you fit in the comparisons. Love the show and cant wait to see the updated format.
One of my favorite things about TechTube is collaboration among various creators. Another is that they all have a different approach to making content. Jay, please don't make enormous changes to what you do. The GN team is unique in its investigative journalism approach; if everyone did that, our heads would explode. The team there seems to have the same job I frequently had before I retired: help the boss look like Superman. Of course, that's only gonna happen if the boss already pretty much knows how to do that. So true about college. As a holder of five college degrees, I can say without hesitation that my degrees have opened doors, but it's what I can actually do that has allowed me to step over those thresholds.
A cool video. I really like Steve, although the high technical level of his content sometimes makes my head spin a little. That's what I appreciate about your videos. You make fun high-quality content that even beginners can understand. Thanks to you guys and Steve, I've learned a lot over time and improved my own building skills.
My feedback would be to do more collaboration between you "tech tubers", to be more specific about what kind of collabs perhaps a "post X product launch". I am thinking that I see a lack of post release benchmark talks and discussions between you tech tubers after the initial couple of benchmarks, when a new product gets released. The format could perhaps be a podcast like discussion, a panel talk with a moderator or perhaps just like this video, although *please add cosy coffee, tea, snacks* or whatever to which ever formats you pick, it should be an enjoyable nerd talk about the good stuff, about what could have been better and just wind down and celebrate tech after the hectic initial benchmarks
One of the nice things about the J2C is the reviews are fairly high level, "out of the box" with out being overwhelming. J2C is often just "fun" to watch as you guys goof on each other, and hit the high points. GN on the other hand is the hard hitting, data driven, eyes glossing over because you've been in a 2 hr meeting. Both have their place. Thank you for sharing this. Love both channels.
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Thanks, Steve.
Back to you, Steve.
Thanks, Steve.
Whatever
😂
Thanks steve
From a creator standpoint, the most valuable lesson I took away from all this is you are only as good as your team, and it's impossible to do everything alone. Such a sick collab, thanks guys!
The greatest technician that’s ever LIVED 🔥🗣️
The greatest comment thats ever lived.
rip small creators who have no team KEK
The greatest TECHNICIAN that’s ever lived 🤑👷🏽👷🏽
Oh shit, it's Andy! I have driven by the shop a few times but have never stopped in. Hope you and Lupe have a great holiday & new year!
Steve’s an auditor, Jay is an entertainer by style. Both offer great content in their own way that we love.
💯
Yes, this. With Steve and his crew you get extreme detail and meticulously collected and distilled data, but have to sit through a 30 minute video full of information and complex charts and graphs. When you really want to get that kind of data there's no substitute to GN. With Jay it's more like hanging out and building a new PC or figuring out some hardware issue on a Friday night with your best friend who happens to be a hugely experienced PC nerd and just having a great time.
watching Jay since like 2013 I can say that it's 100% truth, Steve is when you want the in depth specs of gpu or other stuffs and Jay is when you want a fun video but don't really care about in depth specs
Imo. Jay’s content stagnated a bit for me since so many YT personalities are sharing the same info with similar benchmarks to the point of redundancy. Thats where niche elements come in.
What keeps me in the loop for Jay’s channel is literally because it’s Jay and his two other teammates Phil and Nic.
@@mannydcbianco Most people aren't going to get into the gamers nexus level of details in understanding configuration and hardware specific settings. Jay runs into problems that a lot of people will by taking this approach. That's a feature.
Jay, I hope this doesn't come across in a bad way... your videos and content fill a certain space for me and Steve's fills a different space. One cannot replace the other... your approach is home/homelab facing and gives ideas for building and maintaining systems while evaluating product with a consumer focus. For me that is necessary and greatly appreciated. To be honest watching you make mistakes, you don't do that often, reassures me that this is a complex hobby. Steve's approach/content on the other end drills deeply, sometimes more than I can ingest in a single setting, into the engineering aspects of the products and development as well as the consumer protections that are necessary. Looking forward to 2025 content from both of you!!! Keep doing you and stay healthy!
Agreed, but Steve is far from a technical authority based on his own admissions in this video. He just likes to speak as one.
Exactly this, both fill different needs, jay taught me how to build in a fun friendly way, gamers nexus taught me how ram works in detail and how corporate greed is present and can be fought against
@@Defnotabot_ None of these larger channels are, though? He doesn't need to be a "technical authority" (whatever that means) since he usually cites and/or brings such qualified people onto the channel anyway, unlike every other channel. Trying to claim he just "likes to speak as one" is extremely dishonest.
Gotta say, bud, the only way this could come across in a bad way is by prefacing it with "I hope this doesn't come across in a bad way..."😅. Great comment, I feel it speaks exactly to what Jay is best at.
@@xaniso6955 I just didn't want to come across as "Jayz big brother Steve"... the content each of them provide is valuable to me and hit a different need segment... for Jayz channel to be more like Steve or vice versa would compromise the content and value.
I propose keeping Heaven and renaming it to the "Thanks Steve" benchmark
Please let this happen haha!
this should be top priority. Well, this and blender simulations in CPU benchmarks..
This needs to happen! :D
Take my points!!! LOL
😂
TBF, when I want to know how great a cases airflow is, I go to Steve, when I want to know how easy a case is to build in, I check Jay's videos, so the differentiator needs to stay.
You hit the nail on the head! I watercool all of my systems so it doesn't matter how great the airflow is if it doesn't meet my other needs, and vise versa...I think both of their content styles are necessary...
@brucepreston3927 same, I run a custom loop with a 240 and a 360, so I need to know can air get through the rads, and how easy is it to fit rads in, which that is one of the big things Jay points out
agree and Jay tends to look at the build in from a "non conventional" front like OPEN LOOP on "normal" cases and where and how many rads can be jammed in
100% this!
Jay: Hey, so be brutally honest about my channel! Its all in good fun 😊
Steve: Well, actually Jay, that's what we came to talk to you about. You see, we've been conducting a multi-year investigation....
Jay: 😢
Edited cause of typo
I had to put a post it note over the haven computer screen.
why is Steve addressing Steve?
@@cruz1ale Because Jay quickly changed his name to Steve to avoid being audited by Steve! 👀😂
Lol, crap! I'll edit now.
"Steve: Well, actually Steve" huh?
"People come to you, because they might not like me."
That is some incredible humility from Steve.
Steve is unapologetic when calling out injustices large and small. I wouldn't call Jay neutral as he's definitely stepped up his accountability of the industry the last few years, but it's like talking to PR versus a death squad if you are a manufacturer looking for a plea bargain.
@@deejrdee1 Which False accusations, I am curious?
@@johnmeneses7039 Dude's just a hater. I wish RUclips gave you more than 3 comments from the channel comment history to look at. But it's just a bunch of repetition with seemingly no answer. Could be wrong but I can't see that.
@@Bigdude0444 Absolutely!! You go well Dude and have a great 2025. Hope to see you in Jayz and Steve's comments from time to time.
@@johnmeneses7039 The ones about LTT, it's even been proven false in their community post. You might need to scroll down a lot to find it though.
Honestly, I very much appreciate Jay's more laid back style of content. That's not a criticism of GN (or Jay) in any way, quite the opposite. Both channels have helped me make informed tech purchases over the years, which is especially relevant since I live on a country where sometimes even mid-end electronics can cost the price of a freaking car.
When there's a new product release I come to GN to hear all the specs and the minutiae beyond the BS the manufacturer claims. Then I come to Jay to know how much trouble I'll have actually installing and running the part.
Yeah his content is a bit more accessible to a hobbyist audience. GN is also a lot more serious in tone than the more light-hearted JTC videos.
I definitely agree with this - I love Steve and his methodology, but after a long day of tech-ing at work, I can't sit through another 30min of presentations on tech unless I'm actively thinking of buying it. Jay is a much more fun vibe, causing chaos (and then fixing it), whilst still having the consumer best interests at heart. Definitely space for all sorts in the tech space 👍
I can agree with your comment.
Honestly with Gamers Nexus is that when I am hearing impaired with Cochlear implants (Nucleus 7 model) on both sides and using ReSound PhoneClip+ over BlueTooth for direct streaming from PC through this adapter to my Cochlea implants, it can be tiring and overloaded for my head to hear Steve talking in one without pause and with so much information and unnecessary swearing words that could have been done more in professional way as shown in NZXT Flex program exposed video.
The difference with the lawyer interview about the contract part is huge that is better, easier and more professional way to talk, get information and be understandable.
That's why I stay away from this channel too much.
Of course I don't follow much Gamers Nexus, just few times and based much on this video mentioned above, but I like JayzTwoCents and LTT (only too much sponsor parts and much on US-only stores breaks their videos) better this way of talking.
My opinion is just what from I experience when I see on their style of videos.
Never seen Level1Tech and der8auer EN channel at all, only video recommendations appearing on right side because they seems to be more niche on my level of tech interest.
@@peterwstacey Jays video you almost feel like you COULD be there doing it with him where as Steve is very technical and a level we "mortals" can not reproduce OR want to reproduce but the content is great for its "use case"
Jay wants to evolve. I really respect that. People say, dont change this and dont do that. The man has a right to evolve. Respect that and enjoy the ride.
sure as long he dos not turn in to a boring look at this graph channel
Heaven forever
" Evolving " is crucial in all that we do.
The industry/the competition is forcing him to change. But he's set in his ways!
This.
Love how they have Heaven running in the background because they know Steve hates it. Great trolling there Jay ;)
Why though?
I've seen some comments to this degree, and I think it's true, when I want hard numbers I usually go to GN, when I want super niche or weird stuff I hit LTT, and when I want what the experience would be like for me, I hit here. Or if I want what feels like a more positive voice I hit here. To me your strength has always been what feels like a more condensed passion for gaming, and so when you're feeling a bit disappointed or hurt by it, that affects me more than GN finding another hardware defect.
I also think your experience of 'this is what happened to us, and this is how I fixed it' is so useful. It's really helped me work on some of my own stuff. Like 'our numbers were way lower than what we expected or others were getting' 'oh I had to revert to this bios and change this setting' and that's all really handy, and relatable. I think that's the term I'd best use for your content, relatable. You get frustrated at the same things I would, you make the same mistakes -I- would, and so those are things I can look out for. More data and numbers are definitely good, but I really hope you don't change at least the format of your content much.
Also if I got a dream job and got to work with one of the big youtubers yours would be the one I'd want to most, because I feel like the main point of your channel is to condense it down to 'this is what excited enthusiast needs/wants to know.' It's taking techspeak and specs and translating it to laymen's terms.
This first sentence just nails it. Each channel fills a different need based on the perspective at the time. And each channel serves us all as a whole in the end.
I had to drop LTT. Linus constantly talking how much money has and spends got old. Then, every video almost felt like a tech QVC of ad sponsors.
Niche? LTT gets weird and niche stuff way after several other better creators do. From servers to strange SBCs. Not even talking about electronics. And If you take away them being "funny", there's no value to take from LTT.
Bro stop watching ltt, it's brainrot
@@georgejones5019 Yeah, I ignore all things Linus now.
It takes a brave person to invite Gamer's Nexus to critique your product or your channel. Steve's blunt honesty is refreshing.
Jay KNOWS his hardware testing is NOT "mature" like GN or hardware unboxed and he WANTS to IMPROVE his procedures
My two favorite techies. Generally speaking:
Steve is my 'what is best and who should I buy it from? '
Jay is my 'Things to consider when you but it all together/install.'
Steve is wrong a LOT
@@Lockwood360Any examples of that?
@@Lockwood360 seriously? That's your take? No concrete evidence, just... That?
Steve mentioning that he takes the worst shift during major launches is admirable. I think that is a quality of a great leader and I would love to work for someone like him
in fairness he said he doesn't mind it, and has previously said he doesn't like early starts. They work as a team to get the job done.
@@mikesunboxing That is not fair, just so you know. And in "fairness" if he doesn't mind it and doesn't consider it the worst shift himself he wouldn't have called it that.
@@mikesunboxingI do prefer early starts these days, so I normally totally invert my sleep schedule for big reviews. But that's OK! I'm in it for the chaos. It's fun, and it's different as the owner of the channel obviously. Wouldn't want the team to do that. You must be a long time viewer, which I greatly appreciate, as there was a time I preferred later starts. Many years ago now, though!
Like most small business owners
Or it's ADHD. 🤣
Steve looks so uncomfortable sitting down. Let the man stand lmao.
You can tell he’s not real comfortable being the interviewee.
@@edwinlongwell You can tell you don't watch GN. He's been the interviewee on tons of channels.
@ I watch GN a lot. I don’t watch whatever other channels he’s been interviewed on.
@@edwinlongwellSteve always looks super awkward unless he is in his own studio...I think part of the reason he looks weird in this video is because the table he is sitting at is too tall for him! Jay is a very tall person and Steve is not...
@@brucepreston3927yeah can confirm (saw Jay at a pax event and he is pretty huge) sadly wasn't able to talk to him. I did meet Barnacles and his camera operator though and we talked for a while. Pretty cool experience
Interesting to hear that Steve has a real actual history and a background. I think most people assume he just popped out of the womb while on a break from writing a disapproving letter to a naughty tech company.
He has posted video/s of himself downhill Mountain Biking.
Jay, let me just say this:
I watch four different content pieces, and read one:
For harder testing I go GN/HB
For Basic B1tch I go LTT
For the every man I go to you.
For Linux and much more technical I go Wendell
For deep dive Linux stuff I go read Phoronix.
You have a place in the review space, and I hope these "impartments" won't ruin your current style.
You gotta be careful with Phoronix, the guy who runs it can be a bit..... enthusiastic about some things and misreport what actually happens with patch sets, but he's overall a decent guy from what I can tell.
I'm subscribed to LTT so I can see the shitstorm that happens when that house of cards finally collapses.
GN and HUB get stuff wrong so often thats dangerous lmao
@@Lockwood360 Name one instance that GN has been wrong and hasn't immediately posted a correction and covered it in the very next episode.
The goal isn't to make no mistakes, it's to make as few mistakes as possible and address them when you screw up.
GN does this.
@@philstephes His hair and smug appearance for one lmao. Definitely wrong for going after LTT just for views. Had nothing to do with him at all. Just a tattle tail at best. His benchmarks are off all the time. To many times to count. People like you just believe hes always right.
I've been a Software QA Engineer for almost 15 years now and I regularly explain my job as "I break things for a living." QA can be amazing, it can also be very stressful - it's all about the culture of Eng vs QA. Sometimes you get amazing engineering teams who really value QA and nothing feels better than having an Eng come over, ask about the bug to get short context beyond the formal write up, then go "awesome, keep it up!" Most Engineers will have an almost adversarial view of QA, but when you get those rare cultures that value QA, this job becomes one of the most enjoyable things. Cheers!
Hi, I am a Systems Analyst. Do you work with ABAP?
@@AlesDevita No, I do a lot of device testing and web, so C# & Cypress.
@@BentleyPascoe 🤙🙂.
On 4 years now as an SQA.
i WAS a software dev at some point ( now i'm into teaching) .. the thing is ..when you spend time coding and send your product to the testing team , then the next day , you have pages of tickets about the things they managed to break.... it's still something . i know they love finding ways to break the logic of my code.
hahaha Steve nailed it. I have mad respect for the guy and he is tech jesus for a reason. I use his stuff when I really need that level of detail. About 9.9/10 though I just don't need that level of detail. He isn't for me, but I completely understand his value and wouldn't take anything away from him and hopes he does this for a long time. I wouldn't say I don't like him... I just don't want to watch him (still subbed tho! gotta support). I'd rather see Jay say I digress 10X in a video, or a fart joke, or a phallic joke, or a joke about what she said about the other guy. I want to see the bloopers and the retakes and the ruined shots thrown in. I want to see him damage a motherboard beyond repair because it was stupid and awesome. I value Steve's super in depth reporting and Jay's derpiness. Jay has great content and it scratches the itch and I for one pray you don't mirror Steve. Steve's right... don't lose your vibe. Love you both!
Hey Jay, love that you brought on someone to give feedback and kudos for not getting offended. The thing I take from your channel sometimes is the guy who gets bleeding edge stuff, tries it like someone would at home and gets burned by these companies putting out half baked products. I think your "not spending the next 4 hours" is like me at home who can't do that but expects a product to work. But the fact that you come back with your next level of discovery is one of the reasons people come to your channel. So, while I hear what Steve is saying and it's worth incorporating to a certain degree, I think your "every person" perspective of implementing new tech is valuable.
I very much agree. It is usefully to have that kind of perspective with these products. At the end of the day the average consumer barely understands enough to assemble a functioning system so when u have to get into clean windows installs after swapping major components it gets messy. We benefit from the more "every man" approach.
That's not what Steve was referring to with the 4 hour bit. He meant it in regards to specifically information, in order to be more accurate in a video. Jay makes a lot of incorrect statements on his channel when it comes to basic info. It has nothing to do with hoping hardware works out of the box, bad products, builds, or anything like that. That's a completely different issue. He's not saying to change his review style, just his review accuracy. Jay isn't you at home. He's a RUclipsr that also happens to be you at home. He's speaking strictly in a manner for making RUclips videos (from one YT'er to another YT'er) and how much headache it'd save Jay and his team in corrections, apologies, you name it, just to spend a little more time actually looking into the information he's talking about.
Glad to see the tech channels pushing their peers to improve and respectfully holding each other accountable. Its good for the consumer that these guys can pick each other's brains to provide the best data, while maintaining their own style.
I think Steve is still mourning his friend.. Yet hes standing strong here
This was filmed the day prior to Steve finding out... Condolences for Steve and the lost of his dear friend.
What happened
@@Zombie101 Gordon Mah Ung passed.
@@Zombie101 Gordon Ma Ung (Editor of PC World Magazine) died. He was a very close friend of Steve's.
@happytimes10191 oh no :( that's very sad news. Guessing Gordon wasn't that old either
This is really cool. I think a lot of us watch both your channels, and seeing you pick eachothers brains about methodology and commiserating on the state of both the industry and content creation surrounding it is fantastic.
Thanks, Steve! (and Patrick!)
Thanks Steve.
Great to see Steve and Patrick sharing thier knowledge and Jay so willing to learn from them.
Jay is good, but I look forward to see what the new Jay becomes. Jay with long, silver hair would definitely be different 😂
Jay evolves into Sephiroth
@@letto18 More like Gandolf the Gray
Has anyone wondered what Steve would look like with a haircut. Most likely a improvement. but then would he be recognized anymore?
@@themole70 IDK I like the hair personally. Wish I had the patience to grow mine that long. I get to like 1/3rd and by then the curls become such a pain to manage.
Steves hair is part of his brand identity, just like Jay being a little goofy.
Steve already knows he would make a killing on selling or advertising hair products. He's known as tech Jesus because of it.
Not sure Jay would be known as Gandolf the gray, maybe the Grey Haired Goof. Love watching ya Jay, your not the only goof on jayztwocents
honest peer feedback and peer collaboration on improving testing and stuff like this will only drive the community forward as a whole. love to see this kind of collaboration.
When I want GN stuff, I go to GN. When I want JTC stuff, I go to JTC. It's great to solicit ideas and do some introspection, but at the end of the day, I personally feel better knowing the content that each of you makes individually (as well as other channels) are out there, and I'm here for it. Happy Holidays!
One thing I do miss seeing on your channel Jay, is your hygienics videos. Using orange juice in an open loop to see how it compares to regular coolant. Duct taping an air conditioner to pieces of cardboard to blast a component and see what happens. The videos that come about spontaneously are very entertaining, and break up the monotony of discussions about overpriced gpus, which company is screwing over the consumer this time, etc. A few of these hygienics few a year would be awesome
There are reasons for all of these streamers to exist. I use Jay for quick info that is generally objective and fairly accurate. If I want to deep dive an issue, I will turn to Steve's content. Linus has become less objective and too biased for my liking. It is more entertainment focused.
One of the things I like about Linus which he does is bring greater awareness of larger scale tech to people in a way they can understand. He does some interesting bits on enterprise level equipment and concepts. Some of his weirder videos are based on super high level concepts he's somehow figured out how to shrink down to a hobby level.
Yeah i agree, Linus has become more of a walking advertisement over the last few years and has become less reliable.
Objective? Accurate? Lol. I find his channel to be purely entertainment. He tends to go with the flow and not really research much into what he talks about. Lost count of how many correction videos and comments Jay has to do because of the surface level look. He's never really learned from that, but that's okay, because he does correct himself often, unlike Linus. Jay is my "I want to turn my brain off and hang out with the boys" channel, with GN being my "I want peerless integrity and well researched information in long format."
And minus is not even entertaining
Yup totally agree with this. Also agreed I can't watch Linus anymore. Especially after the billet incident. He actually almost killed that company because of his own mistakes and incompetence
Love this :) In my work we have structured shift "Turn Overs" - a one page form that gets filled in near the end of each shift so the next shift knows what was done on the past shift and if any problems popped up. Keeping those in a project-binder or something gives an easy to digest history of work / testing done. Combine that with an SOP and you'll be able to identify any issues much more easily.
The SOP can have sample checklists in it, something super simple like: (test-game "A") Ran OK ✅ FPS: (xxx), Test Failed ✅ What happened: (blue-screened or game froze...). This way you know what to run next and what issues may need a deeper dive.
I love both of your channels for different reasons :) You guys do great work and I appreciate the honesty, integrity, and passion. As someone who buys pre-builts for home-use, I don't even qualify as a noob in this space - But both of you have helped me overcome some of my fears when it comes to upgrading piecemeal. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos! Your teams are awesome!
Leave it to Steve to tell it like it is. The voice of morality in this corrupt industry.
Not just this industry. We need more like him.
Steve's business is built around investigating other businesses. It's not about morality.
@@terpfen "built around" is not accurate at all.
I've been watching JayzTwoCents for years and the fact that he has another big tech youtuber on his channel and asks for constructive criticism earned a sub. So many people are absorbed in their own egos and don't want to hear anyone's opinions/suggestions. This is how you show people that a community isn't just about yourself. So many young kids and even adults will take a lot of knowledge/insight into what it means to be great. Thanks for a great video without any ego, Jay!
Bring an introvert with you at all times like Pat.
(As an introvert) Always ask your introvert if they want to come with.
@@smashed_penguin I told my psychiatrist work stressed me out - He said, "That's why they pay you."
With Steve's collection of Patricks, we're gonna need a bit more specificity; it is Patrick Prime, Lil Pat or simply Patrick Patrick?
Maybe even Patrick squared
The stupid new YT-title translation feature named this video "GN - Job interview"
What I've heard, it can be solved by using YT (and possibly Google services in general) in English instead of your native language.
Jay finally gonna get a 9 too 5?
@@ZnakerFIN Which interestingly starts to translate videos in your native language into english sounding gibberish. RUclips is constantly breaking features i never opted into and won't let me opt out.
My goodness it really does say Job interview. I clicked because I saw Jay and Steve on the thumbnail and didn't even read the title lol. This feature is useless, broken, unwanted and just pesky, it furthers my distaste for RUclips as a whole as they just keep making the platform more hostile to users.
@@jayhill2193 it would make sense if YT asked you wether you needed translation.. like they offer auto captions so they translate the title too.. but they don't tell you so every french person thinks it's a french video
--Which is unlikely since Jay barely speaks english--
For me Jay's most banger videos are when he explains things like how he explained how to fix the 14900K Video Memory Allocation error.
Without that video I probably would have thrown my computer through a wall out of frustration.
I appreciate the tutorial videos like that, that are geared towards like intermediate/enthusiast PC owners because we may know a lot more than your average joe but we still need help sometimes too
Exactly! Paul's Hardware put out a video going step by step through installing windows from a thumbdrive and I've referenced back to it everytime I build a system. Videos like that, which Jay also does frequently, are invaluable tools
I appreciate that Steve gives Patrick some well-deserved speaking time too and simply shows respect towards peers. The man is knowledgeable and can voice opinion, this all is win-win-win. I'm looking forward to the results of your new insights Jay. Perhaps an idea is after the main part of the video is where you feel you misfired, be open and upfront about it. You and the team can steer yourself, the audiance can help you steer and your peers could reach out and advice here on after.
Steve has such great moral and ethical standards. It’s a rare find on RUclips these days and has regularly pointed me in the right direction for purchases that I’ll be happy with. Glad to see some of this is coming over to Jay.
@16:38 "people go to you because they don't like me" I know this is a joke but I just wanted to say I very much enjoy both.
For me, Jay's and Steve's/GN's work and content are complementary.
I just wanna thank Jay and Steve, and everyone involved in both channels. Yall help us noobs a lot. I've looked at both of you guys so much over the past 5 years I've been gaming on PC. Coming from being a console only gamer, the videos helped a bunch! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all! 🎄❄
I was backed into a software testing position from a low level IT support position and was the most hated person in the company. It was a lonely existence so if you are wanting to work in this field I recommend working for the largest company you can find or try to merge the testing responsibilities with another position or make it a shared responsibility.
I'm so happy this conversation exists. Love the collab!
I’ve been a software QA tester for 7 years. I love breaking stuff! But I’ve also made the mistake of OK’ing something that went to production and broke everything. This job can be stressful but also very rewarding.
I like watching jayz, gamers nexus, hardware unboxed and ltt for varied reasons. Between all of them I get a fairly good view of a product. I think all of you need to constantly change and grow and not all changes will be good but that is part of life. Good luck.
So I wanted to bring up my pov. First I wanted to say I really enjoy and love both of y'all's channels and content. The way I look at it is I always come here first for product reviews, because you dive deep enough for me to get the info I want and need to know. It's usually quick and I can get at least a half ass idea of what we're dealing with. Then I will go over to GN's channel if I want to take a even deeper dive into the numbers and testing side of things. I just don't want you to switch your content so much that is skews who u are and what this channel is. Im all for a more rigorous testing method that would bring about more accurate info sometimes. Just please stay the same and don't change who you are and what this channel is and what it always has been.
Literally my two favourite tech channels. I watch Steve for a deep forensic investigation. I watch Jay for a combo of information and entertainment. Great to see Steve refining Jay's processes, but as they say, still got to keep different styles.
The fact that Jay asked Steve for a sanity check and Steve obliged... which resulted in this professional respectful interaction is great. You guys are approaching hero status. Thank you for the great video!
I love this video. Things need tidied up, but not radically changed. Better benchmarks and processes are needed, but you definitely need to keep your style too which is easy to digest for consumers on the more basic level. Little mistakes with writing need cleaned up. If you look back at AMD Ryzen videos in particular you will notice lots of small mistakes with information regarding the platform and more. I look forward to seeing the changes and tbh congratulations on wanting to improve, loving the vibe!
Great to see you guys together. To of favorite.
Thanks for everything you both do. And hope you all had a Merry Christmas.
The dynamics as i see it:
Jay is the everday day jack of all trade IT man, keeping it simple and fun but down to earth.
Steve is the tehnical author, hyper focused and driven on the little things.
Linus is the crazy rich uncle, he knows his IT but needs EXTREAM in his life without limitations.
Don't forget about Louis Rossman is the loud neighbor, but happy to have him on your side or to fix some delicate piece of circuitry, and Level1Techs being the underestimated tech hoarder that oozes knowledge and Linux
I love and watch all you guys. Steve, Linus, and Jay. You’re all different and I can watch all three of you guys on the same topic and learn something new. The beautiful thing is you’re all different and you’re not trying to be each other or compete with each other. If I want extensive graphs and information I’ll watch gamers nexus.
Jay and Steve: two of the best out there. This is a wonderful collaboration a long time in the making... and it's awesome!
It’s always great to see peers sharing thoughts, opinions and ideas with each other. Jay to me you will always be the master of water cooling and Steve/GN will always be the analytical Jesus. Whatever direction you take Jay, as long as you continue to enjoy doing what you do, subscribes old and new will appreciated it. I look forward to 2025 and the content you, GN and others produce.
Loved this. Very cool to see two of my favorite channel personalities coming together like this.
"Learning how to learn" is spot on! I dropped out of an electronic engineering degree, in part due to financial issues but also because I realised it wasn't what I wanted to spend my life doing, but the skills I gained in university allowed me to walk in to a support position with no IT related qualifications (although I had grown up around computers, both my parents are programmers!). Worked up from there and been in IT over 10 years now :)
I wouldn't be here without having learnt to find, qualify and present information properly.
Been around for the whole 10 yrs and longer! I really miss the early days for you, Linus, Newegg crew, NCIX, Barnaclees, Ryan Shroud. Ahhh, the good ole days. We've lived through the blow up of professional RUclips creators and tech.
tek syndicate, austin not duncan
@evilone001 ahhh, yep forgot to mention them. I do miss when Logan, pistol, and wendal were an oddball team lol. Even bought the music album they did. Austin....he was better back then than today imo. I remember feeling pretty bad when his place burnt down. I guess marques as well should go into this group.
@@Superacerc nothing replaced that for me. 2012-2017 was peak tech tube imo. Tons of great channels with good content.
@@PinchCactus agreed. They weren't so huge and all original fun content. I miss the unboxing of every component from back in those days. Now there's less of that. Pauls hardware does a decent job. Kyle and Joanne disappeared from the main channels even though they still did content. The Newegg unboxing were great.
@@Superacerc Kyles tech impressions video and Pauls drunken m.2 excitement , "Hey whats up guys, Joker here", Wendels face behind the monitors and The Tek in general will live rent free in my head forever.
Actually seeing you both on a video together is quite refreshing. I never once thought you guys was competing against each other either. I watch you both for different reason but i love you both for that. Definitely more water cooling needs to come back, & i totally get water cooling has had a hard few years. But i genuinely hope the path your taking works out for you and i will continue to watch you both as you have built my knowledge and helped me decide my own gaming pc path and case.
Take a shot every time Jay in interrupts
what is your poison of shots?
Best of luck getting things to do standard that you set for yourself. Everything takes time.. We're all here to learn from and be on the journey together. Don't lose your silly little quirks along the way. I can't speak for others but I like your entertainment factor and jokes. It's not overbearing to the point that it distracts from the information that you set out to share.
Timelines!! Be wonderful addition to your channel.
Looking forward to seeing what changes are coming to your channel! Great seeing Steve and Patrick!
I was just waiting for "stop cutting your hair!" But, your channels are so complementary that I almost always watch both (and der8auer and maybe more) about most topics...
Yes yes we want Jay with 4 feet of hair
I love Jay, Steve, and Linus specifically cause they're all so different and I know I'll get a different insight into products from different tech levels. Linus is the silly trying to be corporate, Steve is the super technical, Jay is the normie uncle.
Nice video! Repeatable process, documentation and analysis is the key for consistency. On another note, how big will the charity have to be to have Steve get a Jay haircut? 🤣
Jay, I love your channel and I understand the need to improve but honestly, I love your style so don't stray much from it. GN I go to Steve for the more deep dive information stuff. LTT I just don't watch anymore since they always have stuff that no one can ever afford or get their hands on. Great that you three got together and learn from each other. It really shows how much you really love this stuff and aren't just in it for the money and fame. Lol
I like J2C, GN and Hardware Unboxed, only 3 computer related channels I really watch consistently. Each offers something unique, with their own style of doing things and that is what I like, don't fix it if it ain't broke, and I think all 3 channels doing just fine as is.
Customers win with you two and HuB collaborating, supporting each other, and helping each other. Thank you so much.
Steve's next stop is at LTT. I'd love to watch that lol
That would be misreading the situation. Steve dropped a missile on LTT and Linus isn’t known for being a gracious and forgiving person.
@namegoeshere1 Oh I know! Lol. It was awesome!
@@mcduvall2000 ohhh I feel you, my bad
@@namegoeshere1 no worries. Just thought it'd be funny if it happened. Lol
Linus is a very touchy ginger.
This is a great video. Steve and his team have become the gold standard for good reason. That said, I like watching Jay’s videos for the character they bring as well. It’s great to want to evolve as the times and the hobby evolves, and I can think of no better model to help you in that than the team at GN.
It’s such a huge field, the realm of data required for case reviews is so distinct from cooler reviews, motherboard reviews, graphics reviews… you could easily sink millions into developing test methodology and capability for these things. I think, for my part, the best thing to do would be to choose a few domains you want to dive deeper into and really work on developing robust methodologies in those arenas. For the others? Let that influence you, but don’t lose sight of what’s worked for you so far. You don’t need to be the best at everything. No one is expecting you to drop six figures on a hemi-anechoic chamber, Steve already did that!
Basically, Steve just said don't give into the ADHD urge
Kudos to you Jay. It's a mark of a good leader who can identify weaknesses in an area, seek out expertise to improve, listen to that expertise, and implement those improvements. It's just going to make your content that much better while also staying true to your style.
STEVEN?!
I love watching both Jay and Steve. Both channels have their own styles of presenting the information they have collected.
I want Steve to have a sit down with Linus and hash things out one of these days
Never going to happen. They aren't friends or something. Steve looks at Linus as a company, not a person.
Think that bridge has been well and truly burnt. Unless Linus is sick of the GN fans in the comments of LMG videos nitpicking I don't see what Linus gets from it.
Linus couldn't handle that, his ego is too big and he would get his asss handed to him by Steve
8:30 Thats one thing I'm very grateful to my teachers in programming, they taught us how to look for the solution instead of teaching us the solution. On exams they would actually give us the ability to google how to do things, look at forums etc. At the end of the class then she would place everyone in front of the projector and we would explain the solutions we found, then she should show us her own solution. Honestly my best skill right now.
I like to say that the biggest thing I learned at university was how to approach learning new things
Ugh, I hate this automatic title and description translation "feature" on youtube. For me, being in germany, the title of this video says "GN-Vorstellungsgespräch" which translates to "GN application" as in "job applications". Sadly, RUclips's only response to complaints on other social media about it is "Use the feedback button". Guess what, RUclips: I did that many times, proposing a viewer-side option for translations. Hasn't happened yet. Some people online say it helps to change the Google account location. Really? Trade one translation target language for another? Thanks, but no thanks. Gladly, RUclips hasn't forced the audio translation on me yet, neither on this channel nor anywhere else (Don't get any ideas, RUclips).
I feel you do a great job, and anyone who is good at their profession will invite open critique and grow their position. You mentioned the concept of "catering" to 2 million... You've got a great style of sharing your content and providing your finds, but I would only change what you see needs changed, not anyone else. I'm not sure what your goals are Jay, but you do well. I hadnt built a rig in a very long time... over 15 years which was grinding at me. Couple years back I built an AM5 build that was a ton of fun. At the time, I spent just over 3k which was 1k over budget, but I dont regret a single element of the build. Your info led me on some solid discoveries.
All in all, you'll fine tune it down, man. Keep on tweaking... the work, not meth ⚠️ and have fun with the process. I check in every now and then because your channel left a positive impact.
Good luck brother!
10:11 as a software test engineer I can 100% agree with that statement. Nothing more fun than breaking something, reproducing it and then passing it on to the dev with a note "good luck fixing this 😁 Oh and don't make any of the automated tests I wrote fail in the process 👀". Good times.
Nice passive aggressive adversarial default stance. 25 year tech veteran, Exec Director, you’re part of the problem.
Yall fill different niches, and both are important. Steve is my go to guy when I need to know something, and I need to know that my sources sources are reliable. GN's spectacular transparency and policies grant me that. You're my go to when Ive had a long day at work and I wanna smoke up kick back and watch some tech content, I dont like LTT and nobody else does the entertainment side as well as you IMO.
what is this, a crossover episode? :d
The trianlge shape makes the pictures move with sound and you will be able to watch.
I actively follow both channels. Love to Jay's team and Steve's team. Keep it up.
14:00 Spin off to a secondary "deep dive" channel, call it "Jay Two Deep" maybe?
😏
Jay two deep is so good LOL 💰💰💰
Jay, I love your channel for what it is and I appreciate you wanting to move your testing and results gathering forward. It was brave to invite this feedback openly. I look forward to seeing your changes but don’t lose your style and charm on the way!
Before I even watch. I watch Jay 4 times as much as nexus. Idk why I just do.
same but probably more like 10x for me.
I like GN hardware news, but some of the reviews are too detailed, it's a commitment to watch a review, I totally appreciate GN though and watch often, for some reason I like Jay and Wendell, Paul's good to, I can't stand LTT, and hardware unboxed has good content, but I'm just not a fan of them , can't really explain why 🤔
@@MichaelWilliams-py6ez yeah love steve but more then 5minute of his monotone i can't take it. so I just skim through and get clif notes on all important videos
"Learning how to learn." ← THIS
also a degree proves you can stick with something for more than a couple years in a row
This video makes The Nerd in me Hard.
Great to see the mutual respect you guys have for each other. Kudos to you Jay for wanting to expand and learn more about different sides of things.
Can’t wait to see your new content once you and your team figure out what works for you.
Can we please start an online petition for Steve and GN to head the yet to be named Department of Hardware Technology Efficiency .. DOTHE
“Everything” lol
Very interesting to hear the honest respectful conversation. Always great to talk and learn from others, but I'd hate for our favourite (cdn, eh?) creators to start being the same... that being said, it's wonderful for conversations like this to happen, AND for us to listen to them. Jay - you keep doing your thing... Steve - you keep doing your thing... we watch you both for what each of you adds to the conversation and this community.
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I like Jay's channel for the same reason I like Top Gear. It's the comedy, entertainment value, and being centered around a hobby that I love. "Ambitious but rubbish" should be accepted just for the entertainment value. I always felt like JayzTwoCents had this feel to it. Hope it doesn't lose that charm.
I love the way Jay does his stuff...
I love the way Steve does his stuff....
Both of them bring something specific to the table and both are valuable to me...
Both on being informed and on knowing how things work on a deeper level
Jay, I enjoy GN, Linus, and your programming each as their own. I enjoy the contrast between each program. Sometimes I can see where each one contradict each other from time to time; and times when each agrees. I like how each one doesn’t take the same path in their reviews so those of us that watch multiple reviews, can feel we get a more complete idea. I feel GN is like watching news(factual), Linus feels like an infomercial (which works), and when it comes to your show I’ve always felt like it was a couple of guys just having a conversation ( like hey look what I've found). Please keep your style as much as possible as you grow. Also as a car guy myself, I appreciate how you fit in the comparisons. Love the show and cant wait to see the updated format.
One of my favorite things about TechTube is collaboration among various creators. Another is that they all have a different approach to making content. Jay, please don't make enormous changes to what you do. The GN team is unique in its investigative journalism approach; if everyone did that, our heads would explode. The team there seems to have the same job I frequently had before I retired: help the boss look like Superman. Of course, that's only gonna happen if the boss already pretty much knows how to do that. So true about college. As a holder of five college degrees, I can say without hesitation that my degrees have opened doors, but it's what I can actually do that has allowed me to step over those thresholds.
A cool video. I really like Steve, although the high technical level of his content sometimes makes my head spin a little. That's what I appreciate about your videos. You make fun high-quality content that even beginners can understand. Thanks to you guys and Steve, I've learned a lot over time and improved my own building skills.
Different folks, different strokes. I watch both of you guys as you are both informative in different ways. keep up the great work both teams.
My feedback would be to do more collaboration between you "tech tubers", to be more specific about what kind of collabs perhaps a "post X product launch".
I am thinking that I see a lack of post release benchmark talks and discussions between you tech tubers after the initial couple of benchmarks, when a new product gets released.
The format could perhaps be a podcast like discussion, a panel talk with a moderator or perhaps just like this video, although *please add cosy coffee, tea, snacks* or whatever to which ever formats you pick, it should be an enjoyable nerd talk about the good stuff, about what could have been better and just wind down and celebrate tech after the hectic initial benchmarks
One of the nice things about the J2C is the reviews are fairly high level, "out of the box" with out being overwhelming. J2C is often just "fun" to watch as you guys goof on each other, and hit the high points. GN on the other hand is the hard hitting, data driven, eyes glossing over because you've been in a 2 hr meeting. Both have their place. Thank you for sharing this. Love both channels.
Absolutely. I totally agree with that. They both are super useful.
I've never been a big fan of Gamers Nexus. Jay, be proud of the channel that you have made. I know I prefer your cannel over Gamers Nexus.