In reality reckon 14900K would be worse than KS... Usually KS are binned chips that can take a lot of undervolting... ( At least my 13 gen KS can ) Doesn't thermal throttle while pulling almost 300 watts in R23 . (420 mm AIO used,not custom loop)
I like my Corsair case and Corsair 140 mm fans. But I don't use the iQue controllers and just let them cycle through colors as they do straight from the factory. I also do not have 16 of them hooked up! They are dead quiet and my PCs have been rock solid and cool with them.
@@ndebele100 Cheaper, yes. More effective? It'd need to be tested. This massive radiator looks like it has more in common with an A/C condenser than an automotive engine radiator. Since the sides of this radiator weren't shown, I can't be 100% sure, but it looks like the coolant flow is a single path that winds through every channel on the radiator before exiting the cool side. I'd say this setup is highly likely since the black channels seem to be hollow and allow cables to go through. There's probably copper C coils under there to redirect the flow back into the radiator, which is common on refrigerant systems. Automotive radiators generally have a reservoir on the top and bottom of the fin channels that connect them all in parallel. This is for several reasons. First, you need high coolant flow from the enormous amount of waste heat being generated. Second, you want to be able to maintain an equilibrium temperature using a thermostat, not get the coolant as cold as possible. The parallel channel operating nature of the automotive radiator makes it less efficient vs a serial channel of an A/C style condenser radiator, since the fluid can bypass large portions of the fin surface versus having to go through the entire radiator several times before it exits. Though, since automotive radiators are designed to remove dozens of kilowatts of waste heat, I don't think there's going to be much difference with a grossly underrated load like a CPU that only pulls hundreds of watts.
@@GGigabiteM yes needed to be tested for sure You will need a big pump !! the problem is not why components get but why we need more and more power ? games/ soft are really bad at optimisation and ugly (for most games : blurry etc...) bigger componets = more power = bigger psu = expensive = cost of electricity rise etc...
What this thing needs is to be connected to an air duct in the wall. In summer, fans could be set to push air directly out of the house, with an option to easily reverse the flow during winter.
It would be far easier and more efficient to run the water through the wall to the radiator outside. You only need some small holes that could be patched at a later point, or even just capped/plugged together with some insulation if not in use. All you need for that is mainly just sufficient pump pressure, which you can take care of with either a bigger pumpe - or serial standard pumps. Ducting tends to be very inefficient and have a lot of resistance - doubly so if you need to reduce this much flow into a more normal duct size.
It would be far more effective to place the entire radiator inside/outside. When you blow air out of the house (in summer), it creates negative pressure which would cause hot air from outside to be sucked into the house from elsewhere. If you place the entire radiator outside, you will avoid creating this negative pressure. For winter, you may as well keep the entire radiator inside the house. It's more efficient to heat up the already warmer air inside your house, compared to heating up the cold air from outside. Additionally, blowing air into the house creates positive pressure, which will push warm air out of the house.
@@KillFrenzy96 Yeah that's how they do watercooling or cooling in general at datacenters, precisely to keep the inside air cool. For watercooling you have 3 loops, one is in the rack going to a heat exchanger to the second loop (aka facility water, which is also used to transfer heat from radiators behind aircooled servers) going to another heat exchanger to a third loop going to a finstack outside of the facility. Usually the heat exchange, and the volume of water inside the loop, is enough to cool the servers and often the finstack is barely used outside of peak load scenarios. With a datacenter you have to look at the entire building as if it's one PC, if you have so many servers just moving ambient air around you really don't have the efficiency needed to properly cool them and you will end up with runoff heat, heating up the entire facility. When you are starting to look at radiator's like this, you are definitely dealing with a power usage high enough to make a room unbearably warm (and thus less efficient or maybe even insufficient at cooling), so this same concept still applies.
I also have the Mo-Ra 600 with 16x iCue LINK fans. I honestly had a smile on my face seeing you encounter the EXACT same problems I had with daisy chaining the fans due to space on the mounting bracket. We both settled with the same 90 degree cable daisy chaining solution lol.
@@der8auer-en I don't think most people realize that you publish identical videos in German and English. Your efforts are very much appreciated, thank you! Oh, and you co-own a business, manage employees, manufacture products, conduct R&D for current/future products and independent product testing. I'm waiting for the day when it comes out you have a twin. ;)
A video from Project Farm best dry wall anchor will show you it's strength. Personally, its holding my 420 Mora. I would only change the type of anchor he used. It looked like a concrete anchor and not a dry wall one. It could be for both, I'm not sure what specific anchor was used.
Hey thanks for doing both German and English versions of ur videos, I forget you do both most of the time - appreciate how much extra work that must be. Hope you're having a good holidays.
Definite improvement over the jankiness of old MoRa setups, but I fear at the same time the price has ran away from the land of "expensive" to "insane". Then again, we do know there definitely is a market for insane stuff like this. Have to admit that if I were to build a new watercooled PC, I'd probably go for this (well, the sane one, ie. 2x 200mm fan version, the bigger one would probably need multiple PCs in the same loop to be needed)
@@Simon_Denmark MO-RA 3 was fine. Getting a pump, fans (and their control) and reservoir attached to it and to the PC was a janky setup of cables. And there was no ready-made solution either, you effectively had to jerry-rig the cabling from the pump and fans somehow into your PC.
@@Jarnis-v1c That’s true, I had to use extension cables to connect the fans and pumps to Octo and Hubby 7. So that’s definitely changed for better with the new controller. I could change to wireless from PC though if I have a controller at MO-RA but I would need an external power supply. The reservoir and pump aren’t that janky with the bracket for them.
@@der8auer-en you would be suprised how large car raidators actually are. at least for decent cars. a 0.9L ecobox wont have the same radiator as a audi A8 land boat.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld You do realize he's also a car guy, right? And no, the vast majority of car radiators will NOT be notably bigger than this, you'd have to use one from a truck for that.
MORA IV is amazing engineering, and solves most of the logistical hang-ups I have over trying custom water cooling, but in the end I couldn't justify the cost, maintenance time, and GPU logistics for family hand-me-down.
While the 600 is insane and very much overkill for any "normal" system, the 200 or 400 are really interesting and well executed external radiators. Especially the single cable connecting PC with the radiator. Well done!
All the equipment I ever bought from Water-cool was really well thought. A pump with water temperature sensor that can automatically control the fans? come on how neat is all that stuff?
He did mention redundancy as a reason for 2. But this radiator is huge (tens of meters of piping), and the tube that'd lead to your PC won't be short either. I think you'd want 2 at all times, and a 3rd one for redundancy.
@@FireStorm81318 1 pump does not have enough pressure for 400, god forbid 600. Minimum of two, for 600 probably 3 if you have any quick disconnects in the loop or more than 2 blocks.
I won't lie, I ended up building a triple 360 rad setup in the O11DXL because I couldn't figure out how to route fan control, pump control, water temp, and flow rate info cables from a Mora without a a lot of extender cables. Glad to see that they solved the problem. I hope they update the Mora 3 360 models as well.
@@TheZoenGaming Octo and Quadro from Aquacomputer have existed for a long time. All you would need is power for them once you have saved the settings to the controllers.
@@Simon_Denmark The last time I ordered from Aquacomputer, I paid nearly twice as much for the shipping as the item, it took 3 weeks to arrive, and they got the order wrong on top of that. I don't buy from them anymore.
corsair icue is crap in my opinion. Why don't you use the octo/quadro and aquasuit program to make a fan curve according to the water temperature. Is there a reason you don't use it?
Corsair's software is free while AquaComputer's costs a yearly fee to use those features, but you get what you pay for. oh also if you want a better solution for feeding it data you likely need HWInfo subscription as well.
@@swizzler8053 As compared to Corsairs overpriced crap? I would much rather pay for Aquacomputer. Aquasuite and the controllers will give you the option to do literally almost anything.
Using QX140 with O11XL 420p EK x3, build this PC I regret to use Cosair IQLink ,especially the cable it bad design angle ,bending is not recommended, expensive, and plug in extremely easy to be broken. I cue 5 is using open GL affect the performance, nidiva launched a driver fix to avoid the crash issue. Now I closed I cue 5 and use fan memory mode to run the curve pwm , I wouldn’t use iqlink the build water cooling anymore
I wish I could say the BS with iCue stuff has been an isolated thing for you, but it really is just a huge pain. Would recommend just going with some regular fans that either have static rgb or just not doing rgb at all. It's just not worth it to over-complicate your setup, which is already pretty complicated, just for some rgb. Really like the product and hope everything works out! P.S. - Someone mentioned that your English is getting a lot better. I never thought your English was ever lacking. I don't have any issues understanding what you are saying or the point you are trying to get across. Keep up the improvements, but you are doing a great job already.
My MORA 360 continues to excel in cooling my gaming rig. Because of the issues you are having now I skipped RGB for my fans. I have two pumps also w/3m of edp tubing. I also included a washable almost HEPA air filter to keep the fins clean. I hope it still holds after you fill it. Those wall mount screws don't look stout enough. You should find a wall stud to attach them too.
This is so interesting to outsource and externalize heat exchange! Appreciate you taking the time to share your experience with this product and approach. :)
Mora IV is great! I have the 400 series and love it. The addons for fans, rad, pumps are great. I mounted it inside my AV cabinet to cool the computer connected to the HT setup.
Reading the comment section, Corsair has really fallen of their throne. Their whole eco system is getting bashing from people that have their products. Corsair you need a big change in 2025!
that's what users have been saying in 24-23-22-21-20-.... yet nothing ever changes. When the user gets lucky it all might work as expected, till the next icue update, maybe - maybe not.
I really enjoy your videos, Roman. I appreciate that you demonstrate the need and ability to adapt from your planning to accommodate the realities of implementation being somewhat unpredictable. Thanks for what you do. Have a great new year as 2025 rolls in.
Hilarious. I thought my AC Supernova 1260mm rad was nearly the size of my Exige’s radiator but that MoRa 600 is 100% larger 😂 that still wrecks my brain trying to grasp those cooling differences.
With that many LEDs I would probably run WLED. I just got some cheap ARGB fans to have a sim rig cooling (for VR play), and took 10 minutes to figure the number of LEDs on the fan, the pinout, and flash WLED on an ESP32 and control the LED with it. My iCUE keeps disappearing. The exe disappears about once a month :O. A friend (and a lot of people on-line) have the same issue. I love Corsair hardware, but at this point I do not trust iCUE looking after my temps, because sometimes it's just not there. I think an automatic update keeps failing for some reason. Next time I have to reinstall, I will try to make the exe read only. :O
iCue devices do have a memory mode that they always default to when iCue isn't running. There's a toggle in the iCue settings somewhere. Love the new MORA. I've contemplated getting something like this since I'd built my first watercooled system back in 2008. Unfortunately, with the cost of components being what it is, I could never quite stretch my budget to get one. It's going to be one of the first things I buy when I win the lottery though ;) Anyway, it looks awesome, can't wait to see how it turns out once fully assembled. Looking forward to that video.
The option is called Device memory mode, it's a new toggle in the newer Icue versions. I use it to save my K100 keyboard macros and lighting 'cos I find Icue crap for most other things and it 'used to' interfere with the RGB of the fans I use and cause them to become disco strobe lights instead!
I would plate a thin piece of timber board on that wall that is at least twice the size of the rad and mount it using proper steel wall plugs. A tv wall mount has at least 20 mounting points but a TV is moving water around it. Great vid btw.
I've never really understood the MO-RA, it's just bruteforcing an inefficient radiator design, condensers are only built like that because non-round tubes would blow out under high pressure, but round tubes have poor surface area to volume ratio and are more restrictive to airflow, hence why every low pressure automotive radiator and heater core uses flat channels. What size properly made radiator would provide similar performance to a MORA 600?
it's the cool factor but it's more so about water volume and less about efficiency. either way the mora exists for the same reason intel releases KS processors, or amd releasing X processors even though all of them are unlocked, etc, etc. can you use something cheaper? yes, does everyone want to do that? no.
@@Simon_Denmark There's already radiators the size of older MORA products, I believe they actually performed better than the mora and were less restrictive, but I can no longer find the data since it was on forums in charts uploaded to a now defunct German image hosting website. The round tubes in the mora make several 180 degree bends that's actually quite restrictive.
@@brandonupchurch7628 True I forgot to edit my comment about Alphacool’s Supernova. It would be cool if Roman did a video of comparing MO-RA IV and Supernova.
There was something fun about watching you struggle with fan lighting. I think it's because you really know what you are doing, and us lemmings just kind of find it comforting to see you struggle with the same crap the rest of us usually run into.
So someone has finally realised they could monetise the insanity of hooking up what is essentially a car radiator to a computer? You could probably run eight computers off of that thing 😂
on top of what Simon said.. watercool was the company that took the DIY junkyard car radiator concept a lot of us were doing in 2000 and made it accessible and user friendly for everyone. yeah it's expensive but you might want to check on car radiator prices, lol.
@@sirmonkey1985 Also pretty much all of the car radiators are made of aluminium which I wouldn’t mix with anything else in PC watercooling regardless of what coolant I’m using.
Corsair iCUE is super buggy, especially when it has to interact with other RGB software, like MysticLight. I have to restart iCUE on every boot and wake up, and then re-apply the settings for my RAM sticks in MysticLight, in order get it all working. If I don't do that, the RAM is either barely glowing (much dimmer than the minimum 10% setting, that I use), or - get this - only one half of the sticks is lit up (just the upper half is lit on both sticks, for example). Everything is updated to the latest version. It's just atrocious.
Yep, it's basically this. iCue runs fine when you only have Corsair gear installed. Add anything else to the mix and you're going to have issues. It's pure garbage dumpster fire.
I've been using Mora radiator for many years (3x3 12cm fans). I have it attached to a side wall of my PC with pump inside PC case. I like your solution of having pumps directly attached to the radiator however, with very low RPM fans, pumps are the noisiest part of the cooling so having it inside PC case is damping sounds quite significantly making the overall solution quieter.
So this is one of those "been there done that" things with me. 16 fans is loud no matter how you slow them down. Also, you're paying a lot of money for some bent sheet metal. If you want to make something like this and save a lot of money: "air to water heat exchanger for hvac" is the keywords. Copper tubes, aluminum fins, etc it's meant for commercial buildings where you use water to change air temperature. Watercool is just using one of those as their core and then putting some sheet metal framing around it and g1/4 ports. There's also zero chance you actually need 3 pumps in any sort of application, you can run a whole house loop on one of those. Anyways I moved on from this sort of thing and it's only my backup cooling if for some reason my tap water cooling needs to go down for maintenance. That's been running 24/7 for about 3 years now.
Finally, external radiator product that includes wiring solution. I had to cut one of unused PSU cables to extend it to feed pump and fans, alongside a long USB cord for controller.
I wouldn't count on those plastic plugs for plaster wall mounting... Metal ones that open up like an anchor when screwed is what i always use when heavy items are mounted, like TVs or this monster in example!
Got a mora a few years ago and then saw a gigant, mora sits on the shelf:( going to install in my wifes computer, love how total silent you can get with large external rads. but i do like all the accessories watercool is offering, had it been available when i got all the gigant and auqa computer stuff i would have been all in on watercool.
I would be adding more reinforcement to that wall bracket, by fixing a plywood base plate with multiple fixings points as relying on 4 plugs and screws with all that weight is risky.
This is really cool! It always blows me away that Corsair can make such nice fans, but they have the literal worst software I have ever used...Every time I open iCUE it is a crap shoot whether or not any of my controllers are detected...I normally have to do exactly what you did, open and close it like 10 times and eventually it will randomly start working, just not for very long!
Thank you! I have been planing to buy one for over a month and I wanted to see more info, this was very helpful. I guess I'll wait for the active control to come out and make a purchase, the question is either the 400 or 600 version. Edit: Corsair iCue issues, pretty typical. Here is an idea about the corsair iCue problem for controlling it. The power cable to the iCue hub is simply 6 pin pcie cable to 6pin single row micro-fit connector - you can quite easily make custom one, the data usb 2.0 in one side and micro usb on the other, while making custom cable with micro USB might not be easy (but it's still possible), maybe just create your own custom internal USB 2.0 extension cable. All you need are wires crimps, crimper and connectors and maybe sleeves/heatshrinks. All of those are available in MDPC-X maybe not the microfit 6 pin single row but you can get them from some place else.
I have been using mo-ra 360 for years, Absolutely love it. This thing is so next level. Definitely scrap together another one of these videos, I would love to see more!
"I'm making progress.. but don't ask me how" Ah yes, the lore accurate iCue experience that all must go through. And once it works, you better not touch anything ever again! Best not to disturb the dormant beast of chaos
This is insane... I love it :p But also the issue with the RGB, might be a dodgy data connection on the first rgb fan not lighting up. Or the one last working fan might be faulty.
Roman, you're the engineer here -- I'm not -- but I'll be amazed if your wall holds once you fill that thing with water. The most 'heavy duty' plastic drywall anchor I've seen goes up to about 75lbs. Some metal drywall anchors claim up to 100lbs. I would think before you fill it, you'd want to drill the MoRa IV wall mounts directly into studs.
He will be fine even with 30lbs anchors. 120lbs (4x30) is 55 kilos. He has 16 kilos now, and he won't get more than 30 additional with water. He might have trouble if the environment gets humid tho.
Oh nice! I have a Mora 3 420 myself. I won't upgrade but it's nice to see they're going even further beyond :D I use an external PSU though so the only thing running between PC and MoRa is the tubes. A master/slave power strip turns it on when the PC turns on. I like the IV 200. Looks maybe backpackable.
Nice radiators, I always thought about just replacing the whole side of a case with a standard car radiator and sticking PC fans onto them, the newish 200mm Noctua fans really enable stuff like that. A MoRa 400 would fit the side of a PC case nicely :)
I had a Phobya (?) 3x3 radiator some time ago. I started with 9 x 120mm fans, but ultimately used a single 200mm with a 1" thick shroud/plenum. The only noticeable sound from my system was the PSU fan. This MoRa looks much higher quality.
24:40 oh Roman! Please don't ever use a hammer drill on plaster/dry walls ever again x'D Any type of low-power hand drill will suffice for plaster walls :) Pleasepleaseplease also use molly bolt anchors before that $1500 worth of equip drops off the wall
I've always wanted to setup a custom loop using a Motorcycle Radiator or a small car radiator on the exterior. Overkill, indeed but it sounds so fun to do. Those radiators aren't too expensive either the last time I checked (been a while, things may have changed). This seems a lot like what I had in mind. These things are crazy! Nifty vid, thanks for it!
When I build a new water cooled pc in 3-4 years (I just build a new one last year) I am 100% getting a 600 and just moving all this outside the case. These things are just bad ass in every sense of the word for those of us who like to do water cooled builds.
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This should be stock cooler for 14900KS
G'day club4ghz,
1 if you limit Mobo VRM to TDP
X2 for Stock Thermal Boost
😂
Wouldn't matter tbh. Limited by the IHS and voltage / density etc.
@@club4ghz I bought a 12700k because I wanted to use air cooling and it’s still a bit of a monster at times if I push it.
😂😂
In reality reckon 14900K would be worse than KS... Usually KS are binned chips that can take a lot of undervolting... ( At least my 13 gen KS can )
Doesn't thermal throttle while pulling almost 300 watts in R23 . (420 mm AIO used,not custom loop)
I appreciate how Roman keeps giving Corsair opportunities to further disappoint.
I like my Corsair case and Corsair 140 mm fans. But I don't use the iQue controllers and just let them cycle through colors as they do straight from the factory. I also do not have 16 of them hooked up! They are dead quiet and my PCs have been rock solid and cool with them.
Indeed, Aquacomputer and Arctic would have made this nearly painless.
Big money 💰 🤑 💸
I love how it took the likes of LianLi to actually force them to get off their butt and "improve" their offering.
+ the diss on american walls XD
The big takeaway from this video is that even Corsair has no freaking idea how iCue works.
as soon as he pulled out the corsair fans, i knew he'd be having issues lol.
So it's basically a Truck now.
Dont give him ideas, he'll be using jets to cool it
you take a car radiator it's cheaper and more effective no ???
@@ndebele100 Cheaper, yes. More effective? It'd need to be tested.
This massive radiator looks like it has more in common with an A/C condenser than an automotive engine radiator. Since the sides of this radiator weren't shown, I can't be 100% sure, but it looks like the coolant flow is a single path that winds through every channel on the radiator before exiting the cool side. I'd say this setup is highly likely since the black channels seem to be hollow and allow cables to go through. There's probably copper C coils under there to redirect the flow back into the radiator, which is common on refrigerant systems.
Automotive radiators generally have a reservoir on the top and bottom of the fin channels that connect them all in parallel. This is for several reasons. First, you need high coolant flow from the enormous amount of waste heat being generated. Second, you want to be able to maintain an equilibrium temperature using a thermostat, not get the coolant as cold as possible.
The parallel channel operating nature of the automotive radiator makes it less efficient vs a serial channel of an A/C style condenser radiator, since the fluid can bypass large portions of the fin surface versus having to go through the entire radiator several times before it exits.
Though, since automotive radiators are designed to remove dozens of kilowatts of waste heat, I don't think there's going to be much difference with a grossly underrated load like a CPU that only pulls hundreds of watts.
@@GGigabiteM yes needed to be tested for sure
You will need a big pump !!
the problem is not why components get but why we need more and more power ?
games/ soft are really bad at optimisation and ugly (for most games : blurry etc...)
bigger componets = more power = bigger psu = expensive = cost of electricity rise etc...
You really should get some proper drywall anchors for that amount of weight
Eh, it'll be fine.
that fischer plug wil expand and pull the core back to the wall
Or an actual stud yes I agree plugs are to light for this with liquid if it has to be there anchors are the way to go.
@@DeviloftheHelll i love fischers, 8 of these hold my dip bar in concrete, 200kg ez
Drywall? LoL, that thing needs to be mounted to studs.
Prepping for your 5090 I see.
What this thing needs is to be connected to an air duct in the wall. In summer, fans could be set to push air directly out of the house, with an option to easily reverse the flow during winter.
Depends where you live. Radiator wont heat freezing air enough. Just mount it outside at that point. Into shade ofcourse. Fill it with antifreeze...
It would be far easier and more efficient to run the water through the wall to the radiator outside. You only need some small holes that could be patched at a later point, or even just capped/plugged together with some insulation if not in use. All you need for that is mainly just sufficient pump pressure, which you can take care of with either a bigger pumpe - or serial standard pumps.
Ducting tends to be very inefficient and have a lot of resistance - doubly so if you need to reduce this much flow into a more normal duct size.
It would be far more effective to place the entire radiator inside/outside.
When you blow air out of the house (in summer), it creates negative pressure which would cause hot air from outside to be sucked into the house from elsewhere. If you place the entire radiator outside, you will avoid creating this negative pressure.
For winter, you may as well keep the entire radiator inside the house. It's more efficient to heat up the already warmer air inside your house, compared to heating up the cold air from outside. Additionally, blowing air into the house creates positive pressure, which will push warm air out of the house.
In fact there are ppl in colder climates that they have the rad outsideb always. Imagine the oc possibilities.
@@KillFrenzy96 Yeah that's how they do watercooling or cooling in general at datacenters, precisely to keep the inside air cool. For watercooling you have 3 loops, one is in the rack going to a heat exchanger to the second loop (aka facility water, which is also used to transfer heat from radiators behind aircooled servers) going to another heat exchanger to a third loop going to a finstack outside of the facility. Usually the heat exchange, and the volume of water inside the loop, is enough to cool the servers and often the finstack is barely used outside of peak load scenarios. With a datacenter you have to look at the entire building as if it's one PC, if you have so many servers just moving ambient air around you really don't have the efficiency needed to properly cool them and you will end up with runoff heat, heating up the entire facility. When you are starting to look at radiator's like this, you are definitely dealing with a power usage high enough to make a room unbearably warm (and thus less efficient or maybe even insufficient at cooling), so this same concept still applies.
a tiny bit less sketchy than the car radiator ones Linus did.
Way better looking though.
Roman, your dead pan humor is priceless. Never stop.
I also have the Mo-Ra 600 with 16x iCue LINK fans.
I honestly had a smile on my face seeing you encounter the EXACT same problems I had with daisy chaining the fans due to space on the mounting bracket. We both settled with the same 90 degree cable daisy chaining solution lol.
your English has gotten SO GOOD Roman
Because he had Meeix around for a couple extra days
thanks a lot :) I'm trying to work on it!
@@der8auer-en I don't think most people realize that you publish identical videos in German and English. Your efforts are very much appreciated, thank you! Oh, and you co-own a business, manage employees, manufacture products, conduct R&D for current/future products and independent product testing. I'm waiting for the day when it comes out you have a twin. ;)
... I didn't expect to see "eigo jouzu" here.
The word you’re looking for is “improved”
Ironically
24:52 I would not trust that wall with anything heavier than some picture frames :D
A video from Project Farm best dry wall anchor will show you it's strength. Personally, its holding my 420 Mora.
I would only change the type of anchor he used. It looked like a concrete anchor and not a dry wall one. It could be for both, I'm not sure what specific anchor was used.
Fischer Duopower. 15kg per anchor in 12.5mm thick gypsum plasterboard
This is the most European comment I've seen in awhile. Drywall can hold a lot of weight - upwards of 100lbs if mounted correctly.
I burst out laughing at the Mora Church part. i definitely want to join!!
That shit is hilarious
you are very welcome, brother!
Hey thanks for doing both German and English versions of ur videos, I forget you do both most of the time - appreciate how much extra work that must be. Hope you're having a good holidays.
Definite improvement over the jankiness of old MoRa setups, but I fear at the same time the price has ran away from the land of "expensive" to "insane". Then again, we do know there definitely is a market for insane stuff like this. Have to admit that if I were to build a new watercooled PC, I'd probably go for this (well, the sane one, ie. 2x 200mm fan version, the bigger one would probably need multiple PCs in the same loop to be needed)
@@Jarnis-v1c There’s nothing janky about the MO-RA 3 though?
@@Simon_Denmark MO-RA 3 was fine. Getting a pump, fans (and their control) and reservoir attached to it and to the PC was a janky setup of cables. And there was no ready-made solution either, you effectively had to jerry-rig the cabling from the pump and fans somehow into your PC.
@@Jarnis-v1c That’s true, I had to use extension cables to connect the fans and pumps to Octo and Hubby 7. So that’s definitely changed for better with the new controller. I could change to wireless from PC though if I have a controller at MO-RA but I would need an external power supply. The reservoir and pump aren’t that janky with the bracket for them.
Alphacool makes pretty cool 1080 and 1280 radiators that are really affordable, around 120-140 USD.
@@Vatharian Yes, Supernova. But it’s the literal definition of jankiness because there isn’t that many accessories for it. It’s a good price though.
13:27 Finally a water cooler good enough for a overclock on the Raspberry Pi 5.
How long until Der8auer starts using an aluminum car radiator?
that is what is this already is. and everyone used car radiators, garden hoses and eheim aquarium pumps before there were "offical" pc radiators.
I think most car radiators are smaller xD
@@der8auer-en you would be suprised how large car raidators actually are. at least for decent cars. a 0.9L ecobox wont have the same radiator as a audi A8 land boat.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld You do realize he's also a car guy, right? And no, the vast majority of car radiators will NOT be notably bigger than this, you'd have to use one from a truck for that.
MORA IV is amazing engineering, and solves most of the logistical hang-ups I have over trying custom water cooling, but in the end I couldn't justify the cost, maintenance time, and GPU logistics for family hand-me-down.
Der8auer just got even cooler
I see what you did there, Sir! :D
While the 600 is insane and very much overkill for any "normal" system, the 200 or 400 are really interesting and well executed external radiators. Especially the single cable connecting PC with the radiator. Well done!
Hope the wall mount will hold...
Yeah those plugs straight into dry wall is not sufficient lol
Yeah, the water weight alone is going to be several kilos.
exactly, concrete anchors are not for that type of material.
Hey Roman! I've assembled a lot of TVs on walls like that! Those plugs certainly won't last long. You need plasterboard anchors.
@@IbodhiFreire No. He needs to find a stud and screw into that.
All the equipment I ever bought from Water-cool was really well thought.
A pump with water temperature sensor that can automatically control the fans? come on how neat is all that stuff?
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 You’re probably talking about D5 Next which is made by Aquacomputer not Watercool.
Edit: Watercool doesn’t resell D5 Next.
3 pumps. Why? Because you can. True water-cooling enthusiast :D
He did mention redundancy as a reason for 2. But this radiator is huge (tens of meters of piping), and the tube that'd lead to your PC won't be short either. I think you'd want 2 at all times, and a 3rd one for redundancy.
@@FireStorm81318 1 pump does not have enough pressure for 400, god forbid 600. Minimum of two, for 600 probably 3 if you have any quick disconnects in the loop or more than 2 blocks.
@@Chabster That's what I'm saying
I won't lie, I ended up building a triple 360 rad setup in the O11DXL because I couldn't figure out how to route fan control, pump control, water temp, and flow rate info cables from a Mora without a a lot of extender cables.
Glad to see that they solved the problem. I hope they update the Mora 3 360 models as well.
@@TheZoenGaming Octo and Quadro from Aquacomputer have existed for a long time. All you would need is power for them once you have saved the settings to the controllers.
It's so heavy though I struggle carrying mine around
@@Simon_Denmark The last time I ordered from Aquacomputer, I paid nearly twice as much for the shipping as the item, it took 3 weeks to arrive, and they got the order wrong on top of that. I don't buy from them anymore.
@@ms3862 Are you trying to carry the O11DXL or the Mora 3 360? Either way, I think it's a PEBKAC error.
@@Simon_Denmark Those are fine, but my Water Flow and Temp sensor connects to the MOBO headers. Those don't have a header for my sensors.
Will the MoRa IV 600 fit in my miata?
On the roof maybe 🤔
Trying to cool all 100hp?
corsair icue is crap in my opinion. Why don't you use the octo/quadro and aquasuit program to make a fan curve according to the water temperature. Is there a reason you don't use it?
Corsair's software is free while AquaComputer's costs a yearly fee to use those features, but you get what you pay for. oh also if you want a better solution for feeding it data you likely need HWInfo subscription as well.
Overpriced crap.
@@swizzler8053 As compared to Corsairs overpriced crap? I would much rather pay for Aquacomputer. Aquasuite and the controllers will give you the option to do literally almost anything.
Agree aqua computer is easily the best software and hardware for water cooling
Using QX140 with O11XL 420p EK x3, build this PC
I regret to use Cosair IQLink ,especially the cable it bad design angle ,bending is not recommended, expensive, and plug in extremely easy to be broken.
I cue 5 is using open GL affect the performance, nidiva launched a driver fix to avoid the crash issue.
Now I closed I cue 5 and use fan memory mode to run the curve pwm , I wouldn’t use iqlink the build water cooling anymore
I wish I could say the BS with iCue stuff has been an isolated thing for you, but it really is just a huge pain. Would recommend just going with some regular fans that either have static rgb or just not doing rgb at all. It's just not worth it to over-complicate your setup, which is already pretty complicated, just for some rgb.
Really like the product and hope everything works out!
P.S. - Someone mentioned that your English is getting a lot better. I never thought your English was ever lacking. I don't have any issues understanding what you are saying or the point you are trying to get across. Keep up the improvements, but you are doing a great job already.
25:49 Corsair need to rename their ecosystem to iJank lol.
My MORA 360 continues to excel in cooling my gaming rig. Because of the issues you are having now I skipped RGB for my fans. I have two pumps also w/3m of edp tubing. I also included a washable almost HEPA air filter to keep the fins clean. I hope it still holds after you fill it. Those wall mount screws don't look stout enough. You should find a wall stud to attach them too.
This is what happens when engineers own an entire factory~
I am a big fan of the ElmorLabs EFC for fan control (especially combined with the EVC2).
The Watercool Active Control also looks great.
This is so interesting to outsource and externalize heat exchange! Appreciate you taking the time to share your experience with this product and approach. :)
My heat exchanger uses 16 140mm fans in push pull config. If I shut off the fans it takes 5 hours of solid computing to raise the water temp to 70c
70c a typo?
I could not imagine allowing my water temp to get above 50c, let alone 70.
Mora IV is great! I have the 400 series and love it. The addons for fans, rad, pumps are great. I mounted it inside my AV cabinet to cool the computer connected to the HT setup.
On the icue hubs I think you have to set the lighting on each hub on the Hardware Lighting tab to retain effects when not connected
Love to see this kind of over the top watercooling builds! I’ll definitely be looking at using a MoRa 400 for my next watercooling project! 😍👍
aquacomputer octo might be the right tool for pump and fan controll
Maybe not if your FANs are corsair icue link ones with proprietary connectors :DDD
der8auer is just getting ready for RTX 5090
dang this is derbauer alright the most thicc rgb water cooler on the market glad you got it working at the end cant wait for part 2 of lots of aqua
Definitely the dream water cooling setup.
Thanks for making videos!
26:06
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is supposed to define you as insane. Good thing der8auer is certified!
American paper wall. Shots fired!
Finally, a possible practical applicaton for LianLi wireless fans?😅
Not using a stud finder caused me anxiety .. I hope you used drywall anchors at least
The QoL features of these are pretty cool. Good job, Watercool, and awesome job der8auer working around the mounting gap for the fans.
Reading the comment section, Corsair has really fallen of their throne.
Their whole eco system is getting bashing from people that have their products.
Corsair you need a big change in 2025!
that's what users have been saying in 24-23-22-21-20-.... yet nothing ever changes. When the user gets lucky it all might work as expected, till the next icue update, maybe - maybe not.
@diaman_d True words!
I really enjoy your videos, Roman. I appreciate that you demonstrate the need and ability to adapt from your planning to accommodate the realities of implementation being somewhat unpredictable. Thanks for what you do. Have a great new year as 2025 rolls in.
Ok enough about your phone cooler. What do you use for your PC?
Hilarious. I thought my AC Supernova 1260mm rad was nearly the size of my Exige’s radiator but that MoRa 600 is 100% larger 😂 that still wrecks my brain trying to grasp those cooling differences.
With that many LEDs I would probably run WLED. I just got some cheap ARGB fans to have a sim rig cooling (for VR play), and took 10 minutes to figure the number of LEDs on the fan, the pinout, and flash WLED on an ESP32 and control the LED with it.
My iCUE keeps disappearing. The exe disappears about once a month :O. A friend (and a lot of people on-line) have the same issue.
I love Corsair hardware, but at this point I do not trust iCUE looking after my temps, because sometimes it's just not there. I think an automatic update keeps failing for some reason. Next time I have to reinstall, I will try to make the exe read only. :O
Thanks for introducing me to my next obsession!
iCue devices do have a memory mode that they always default to when iCue isn't running. There's a toggle in the iCue settings somewhere. Love the new MORA. I've contemplated getting something like this since I'd built my first watercooled system back in 2008. Unfortunately, with the cost of components being what it is, I could never quite stretch my budget to get one. It's going to be one of the first things I buy when I win the lottery though ;) Anyway, it looks awesome, can't wait to see how it turns out once fully assembled. Looking forward to that video.
Can confirm. No way I’m running iCue all the time, but I did use it to set the fans how I like then stored the settings in hardware
The option is called Device memory mode, it's a new toggle in the newer Icue versions. I use it to save my K100 keyboard macros and lighting 'cos I find Icue crap for most other things and it 'used to' interfere with the RGB of the fans I use and cause them to become disco strobe lights instead!
Beautifully engineered and nice looking peace of cake!
I was so expecting the entire frame to lift off the table when the fans started to spin up the first time... Corsair RGB drone soon on sale.. ;)
I would plate a thin piece of timber board on that wall that is at least twice the size of the rad and mount it using proper steel wall plugs. A tv wall mount has at least 20 mounting points but a TV is moving water around it. Great vid btw.
Can you run the IQ software entirely on something like a raspi? May be able to fit it nicely on a bracket attached to the MoRa itself.
WLED on an ESP32 is enough, works well! Has many cool effects built in, can interface with software for music visualization etc.
icue is absolutely terrible lol
😮
Someone get Jeff Geerling on a plane to Germany! :D
just ordered a 400 i’m so excited to build with it
I've never really understood the MO-RA, it's just bruteforcing an inefficient radiator design, condensers are only built like that because non-round tubes would blow out under high pressure, but round tubes have poor surface area to volume ratio and are more restrictive to airflow, hence why every low pressure automotive radiator and heater core uses flat channels. What size properly made radiator would provide similar performance to a MORA 600?
it's the cool factor but it's more so about water volume and less about efficiency. either way the mora exists for the same reason intel releases KS processors, or amd releasing X processors even though all of them are unlocked, etc, etc. can you use something cheaper? yes, does everyone want to do that? no.
perhaps you should make a flat tube radiator to compete against MORA. Maybe then you’ll will understand the trade offs they make
Good luck with the flowrate with flat channels on a radiator that big for PC cooling. I feel like that would be aquarium pump terrority.
@@Simon_Denmark There's already radiators the size of older MORA products, I believe they actually performed better than the mora and were less restrictive, but I can no longer find the data since it was on forums in charts uploaded to a now defunct German image hosting website. The round tubes in the mora make several 180 degree bends that's actually quite restrictive.
@@brandonupchurch7628 True I forgot to edit my comment about Alphacool’s Supernova. It would be cool if Roman did a video of comparing MO-RA IV and Supernova.
There was something fun about watching you struggle with fan lighting. I think it's because you really know what you are doing, and us lemmings just kind of find it comforting to see you struggle with the same crap the rest of us usually run into.
So someone has finally realised they could monetise the insanity of hooking up what is essentially a car radiator to a computer? You could probably run eight computers off of that thing 😂
Watercool has been making the MO-RA series since 2003 so I wouldn’t really say ”finally”.
on top of what Simon said.. watercool was the company that took the DIY junkyard car radiator concept a lot of us were doing in 2000 and made it accessible and user friendly for everyone. yeah it's expensive but you might want to check on car radiator prices, lol.
@@sirmonkey1985 Also pretty much all of the car radiators are made of aluminium which I wouldn’t mix with anything else in PC watercooling regardless of what coolant I’m using.
@@Simon_Denmark Aluminium should be fine with PC coolant, though?
@@Simon_Denmark Except pretty much all AIOs being aluminium rads and stuff...
Nice tech video as always.And happy new year 🥳
Definitely try out WLED for the RGB control, it runs on an ESP32. Much more fun and convenient than iCUE.
This makes water cooling a lot more interesting and easy.
Corsair iCUE is super buggy, especially when it has to interact with other RGB software, like MysticLight. I have to restart iCUE on every boot and wake up, and then re-apply the settings for my RAM sticks in MysticLight, in order get it all working. If I don't do that, the RAM is either barely glowing (much dimmer than the minimum 10% setting, that I use), or - get this - only one half of the sticks is lit up (just the upper half is lit on both sticks, for example). Everything is updated to the latest version. It's just atrocious.
Yep, it's basically this. iCue runs fine when you only have Corsair gear installed. Add anything else to the mix and you're going to have issues. It's pure garbage dumpster fire.
JayzTwoCents needs the holy grail of water cooling! The MoRa IV 600!!! That is awesome!!
I always laugh when I see people with MoRa raids on Reddit. It's even funnier when you see their trash setups, lol.
I've been using Mora radiator for many years (3x3 12cm fans). I have it attached to a side wall of my PC with pump inside PC case. I like your solution of having pumps directly attached to the radiator however, with very low RPM fans, pumps are the noisiest part of the cooling so having it inside PC case is damping sounds quite significantly making the overall solution quieter.
So this is one of those "been there done that" things with me. 16 fans is loud no matter how you slow them down. Also, you're paying a lot of money for some bent sheet metal. If you want to make something like this and save a lot of money: "air to water heat exchanger for hvac" is the keywords. Copper tubes, aluminum fins, etc it's meant for commercial buildings where you use water to change air temperature. Watercool is just using one of those as their core and then putting some sheet metal framing around it and g1/4 ports. There's also zero chance you actually need 3 pumps in any sort of application, you can run a whole house loop on one of those. Anyways I moved on from this sort of thing and it's only my backup cooling if for some reason my tap water cooling needs to go down for maintenance. That's been running 24/7 for about 3 years now.
This thing prob costs thousands. What a ripoff.
@@Akkbar21 The rad itself is about 550 euros, small one is 229e, and im willing to pay for the convenience.
@@alkestos kk. Of course it’s your money, your call. 👍
Finally, external radiator product that includes wiring solution. I had to cut one of unused PSU cables to extend it to feed pump and fans, alongside a long USB cord for controller.
I wouldn't count on those plastic plugs for plaster wall mounting...
Metal ones that open up like an anchor when screwed is what i always use when heavy items are mounted, like TVs or this monster in example!
Yeah that rad is gonna come down that wall sooner than later. That simply is not the way to attach such heavy weights to a "paper wall".
Got a mora a few years ago and then saw a gigant, mora sits on the shelf:( going to install in my wifes computer, love how total silent you can get with large external rads. but i do like all the accessories watercool is offering, had it been available when i got all the gigant and auqa computer stuff i would have been all in on watercool.
great build......corsair is not a reliable choice.
Been looking at these for the last month. Perfect time.
That is about the most American thing i have seen in while. "Lets just make it bigger we got the space"
Always dreamed of the original radiator you had now I see they have improved so much with the revision 4.0 version.
Regular PC fans obviously aren't ideal from a cost perspective. I hope they design a radiator for use with a cross flow fan!
These refurbished car coolers just keep looking better and better.
I would be adding more reinforcement to that wall bracket, by fixing a plywood base plate with multiple fixings points as relying on 4 plugs and screws with all that weight is risky.
Awesome video
I really like to see projects like this, and I'm looking forward to part zwei
I wound't be too confident that that wallmount will stay in place on your paper wall. Only 1 screw per side on the top is not a lot...
??? he is in Germany. They have thick walls.
It can hold if you use right type of wall anchor which he didn't.
@@GBR9794 Those are studio "paper walls" like he said himself. That thing is gonna fall sooner than later.
9x200mm chromax fans was the way to go... so much more pleasant to look at, no rgb software mess
This is really cool! It always blows me away that Corsair can make such nice fans, but they have the literal worst software I have ever used...Every time I open iCUE it is a crap shoot whether or not any of my controllers are detected...I normally have to do exactly what you did, open and close it like 10 times and eventually it will randomly start working, just not for very long!
I love how Roman just gave in regardless of money and treated himself no expense spared
Thank you! I have been planing to buy one for over a month and I wanted to see more info, this was very helpful. I guess I'll wait for the active control to come out and make a purchase, the question is either the 400 or 600 version.
Edit:
Corsair iCue issues, pretty typical.
Here is an idea about the corsair iCue problem for controlling it. The power cable to the iCue hub is simply 6 pin pcie cable to 6pin single row micro-fit connector - you can quite easily make custom one, the data usb 2.0 in one side and micro usb on the other, while making custom cable with micro USB might not be easy (but it's still possible), maybe just create your own custom internal USB 2.0 extension cable. All you need are wires crimps, crimper and connectors and maybe sleeves/heatshrinks. All of those are available in MDPC-X maybe not the microfit 6 pin single row but you can get them from some place else.
Thx, was just looking at mora IV, the pump/rez housing is so clean
I have been using mo-ra 360 for years, Absolutely love it. This thing is so next level.
Definitely scrap together another one of these videos, I would love to see more!
"I'm making progress.. but don't ask me how"
Ah yes, the lore accurate iCue experience that all must go through. And once it works, you better not touch anything ever again! Best not to disturb the dormant beast of chaos
This is insane... I love it :p But also the issue with the RGB, might be a dodgy data connection on the first rgb fan not lighting up. Or the one last working fan might be faulty.
Roman, you're the engineer here -- I'm not -- but I'll be amazed if your wall holds once you fill that thing with water. The most 'heavy duty' plastic drywall anchor I've seen goes up to about 75lbs. Some metal drywall anchors claim up to 100lbs. I would think before you fill it, you'd want to drill the MoRa IV wall mounts directly into studs.
He will be fine even with 30lbs anchors. 120lbs (4x30) is 55 kilos. He has 16 kilos now, and he won't get more than 30 additional with water.
He might have trouble if the environment gets humid tho.
Good lord man, that drill is made for solid brick walls. lol
You are a brave man mounting that onto plasterboard, it's going to weigh a bit once filled!
im sure he is mounting it to the studs behind the drywall so it will be fine
Oh nice!
I have a Mora 3 420 myself.
I won't upgrade but it's nice to see they're going even further beyond :D
I use an external PSU though so the only thing running between PC and MoRa is the tubes. A master/slave power strip turns it on when the PC turns on.
I like the IV 200. Looks maybe backpackable.
Nice radiators, I always thought about just replacing the whole side of a case with a standard car radiator and sticking PC fans onto them, the newish 200mm Noctua fans really enable stuff like that. A MoRa 400 would fit the side of a PC case nicely :)
I had a Phobya (?) 3x3 radiator some time ago. I started with 9 x 120mm fans, but ultimately used a single 200mm with a 1" thick shroud/plenum. The only noticeable sound from my system was the PSU fan. This MoRa looks much higher quality.
24:40 oh Roman! Please don't ever use a hammer drill on plaster/dry walls ever again x'D Any type of low-power hand drill will suffice for plaster walls :)
Pleasepleaseplease also use molly bolt anchors before that $1500 worth of equip drops off the wall
I've always wanted to setup a custom loop using a Motorcycle Radiator or a small car radiator on the exterior. Overkill, indeed but it sounds so fun to do. Those radiators aren't too expensive either the last time I checked (been a while, things may have changed). This seems a lot like what I had in mind. These things are crazy! Nifty vid, thanks for it!
I mean, it's really not overkill. Those radiators aren't really as crazy as you might think they are, whereas this is easy.
Perserverance is king. Keep up the good work. :)
When I build a new water cooled pc in 3-4 years (I just build a new one last year) I am 100% getting a 600 and just moving all this outside the case. These things are just bad ass in every sense of the word for those of us who like to do water cooled builds.
mmm this brings some greater ideas, having 2 of Mo-Ra 600's would be great for that custom build...