You should've seen him in his earlier videos/tweets. He engages with viewers who contradict him and how he does things. That was a time I took a hiatus from viewing his content because of his hostile attitude. Seeing him more accepting of the opinions of his viewers shows that he's come a long way.
@@EpicGamer440 Agree. Believe it or not there my be subscribers to Jay who are actually sound engineers or even people who design and make the equipment that he was talking about. Never underestimate the power of community and the level of expertise they may bring to the table. Humble Jay is a good thing.
I used to watch Jerry a lot until he responded to an email I sent him like a jerk and I haven't watched him since, even avoided tech talk because I just couldn't believe his on cam personality anymore.
youtubers since 6 years ago acts like a telemarketer, I checked the comments in the first video and no one said anything about GoXlr, I guess he needs to push a new product in each video so here it is another 500 bucks affiliate link, which in my opinion you won't need just download audacity for tune your voice, for effects there infinite software for voice fx, many free of charge, yeah the GoXlr device is cool is has everything pack but you have to spend twice the amount you need for the mic which is the most important part of this audio setup that will work fine with any audio interface like those behringer of 30 bucks, like everyone said just put it in your mouth lol
@@DarkP1 You a very wrong in your comment for even suggesting Jay's doing this for the money. Of course he's going to use an affiliate Amazon link. Everyone does. He's just letting you know of the great product. GoXLR is the best bang for buck streamer solution. I know I bought one before Jay. But that whole "Oh he's just doing it for the money affiliate' conspiracy youtube lingo just pisses me off.
Hey jay, I recommend lowering the gain on your microphone before it goes into the preamp. If you do that then it wont pop and you don't have to worry about it. The compressor is going to be OK at helping normalize the volume but there is a good chance that some clips will make its way through if you get too loud. If you just raise the gain on the compressor and set the threshold lower you can keep that volume that you want while not chancing any clipping. Much love Jay!
I'm guessing this works sort of like using an analogue mic on a regular sound card. I never use 100% gain. Usually end up at ~90% with some variation depending on how shitty the actual sound card is.
This is correct, remove all processing and set faders to unity then set gain to eliminate input clipping. Then set compressor and EQ and turn up the "make up gain" so that channel output is roughly the same.
@@aBoogivogi depending on the setup and the amount of amplification being applied before being converted to a digital signal, the signal can clip. I have never used a sound card, ive always used audio interface. Its probably a very similar case though
My only recommendation: I wouldn't boost that hard at 49hz. That's subwoofer range. Anything below 60hz in a voice I personally wouldn't actively boost.
God I hate it when I listen to videos in the car and I have to turndown my Sub because of this. It mostly breathing noise at the lower frequencies from voice and mechanical vibrations from a lack of a floating mic. At least Jay doesn't have that terrible habit of constantly adjusting his mic.
Yeah. He has way too much low end boost. My guess is his headphones have significant low end roll off, and he's adjusting based on those rather than getting a good pair, or better yet, a pair of actual monitors that have a flat response. I've always found headphones to be complete crap in general for using as references when setting eq curves.
true but that's the wrong way to go about it. he can keep the deep bass voice and fix the rumble and boominess, it's called a subsonic filter. he needs one set to 30hz or so. he instead needs to cut the 75-192hz bands a couple db to get rid of some muddiness. lower his pre-gain a bit, and back off the compressor a bit to be less aggressive. and back the de-esser down to 25, it sounds fine there. too much reduces clarity and high end that helps with intelligibility.
Phil: *does a fake laugh* Jay: It doesn't sound the same. Phil: Yeah I can't fake it. Jay: That's what she said Phil: *does an actual laugh* I love these two 😂
Yeah, Phil is definately a welcome edition to Jayz channel. Love his humour, his point of view and the way they work together. But Coconaut Monkey is missed as well 🙂
@@faridwakim i believe he had to move on for education purposes, so he had to stop at Jayz and got a work within his education because he was more or less finished with the school part
Yeah, it's too scooped for my preference. One other thing I noticed was the threshold of his compressor is set a bit oddly, unless intended to be used as a limiter. With a -3dB threshold, the compressor is only beginning gain reduction when the level hits -3dB. 3dB below clipping. Generally a threshold set this high is used as a peak limiter, to prevent clipping. If used as a peak limiter though, he'd want to increase the ratio significantly, and shorten the attack. Otherwise he might consider lowering the threshold until the compressor starts digging in, then reducing the ratio if the compression is too much. General rule of thumb for compression is ~2-3dB of average reduction, then adjust from there. Makeup gain to adjust for the average gain reduction. (I'm not sure the GoXLR has a reduction meter to tell how much gain reduction is being applied though, so that can be tricky if you've never used a compressor before).
I agree with pretty much everyone else: good to see you listening and learning. Didn't need to buy new things, but if the GoXLR works for you that's fine. There's too much low end, a deep bassy smooth voice doesn't push 49Hz.
As someone with a home studio, this was definitely fun to watch. The world of audio and sound production is a never-ending learning experience where “break through” technology is always being invented. Glad you listened to your audience and improved your setup, it sounds great!
Comment not about anything mic related but to your filler talk. You really are such a dad it totally makes me happy. I love seeing your videos I do and you always do something dad like. My dad was around only for my early years but he was always so goofy and taught me things about computers.
5:30 turn off 49hz, that’s a frequency you don’t need and it will clean up some of the muddy sound in your voice. Also, drop the 75hz to taste. Me, I would just eliminate it all together. So try that out and report back if you can 😎🥃
@@SOFCsquad He mentions around the last bit of the video that he has not tried this soundboard thing without his booster. For this mic, you need the booster.
Sounds like he's got it dialled in pretty well already. Getting the right sound has as much to do with the person's unique voice as it does with the mic they're using.
glad to see the turnaround on this haha - Jay only thing I would tweak about the sound: I wouldn't boost in the lows like you are. If you had a subwoofer to monitor your voice, you'd be like "wow this is too much". Maybe just set a highpass filter with a cutoff of anywhere from 80-120hZ, just to make sure you're not rockin anyone's trunk with your narration lol - cheers!
Utterly refreshing to see someone admit they previously got it wrong and is willing to learn something new. The world needs more of that. Too many people stick to their guns regardless of incontrovertible evidence. To see someone not only admit their mistake, actually say they were wrong, but to then teach the rest of us what they learned... priceless. Nothing but kudos and respect. You have gone up in my estimation. I know its just a review about a mic and mixer but it leaves me yearning for more of this from our 'fearless leaders' and our citizenry.
I like how he has changed for the better. Way back in the day, he was a bit different. Many people think they have to be right all the time. Especially when their channels are small. So I understand where he was coming from back then. Now he takes in what people says into consideration and when he is wrong, he tells us why he was wrong and how he fixed it. I have problems of my own I need to fix. Speaking is hard for me. I like to think about what I want to say before I say it. In this world of instant feedback, people look at me strange when I stop for a while and think. So I will probably start by using discord in games.
Jay, This should help if you don't know this already. Say your music is coming from an app like Spotify etc. But you don't want to drown your game/desktop audio out. If you wanted you can actually tell windows to feed Spotify/music app through the 'music stream' fader of the GOXLR. By doing that you can separate your system sounds and your music! Allowing you to control each with their own faders. To do so: 1. Go down to your sound icon on the taskbar. 2. Right click and choose 'Open Sound Settings' 3. Down the bottom under 'Advanced sound options' Click on 'App volume and device properties' Now, whatever apps you have open. You can send those sounds to whatever channels you want :) Glad to see you got it all working in the end.
This whole situation has been handled amazingly well by everyone involved. Jay, your first video did a great job of presenting the problem, IMO the community had a great response with lots of helpful tips, and in the end you implemented their tips to get the results you were looking for. Awesome!
Hey Jay, I've gotten heavily into audio over the last 3 years and I strongly feel that while you cannot deny the simplicity and usefulness of the GoXLR's features, the position of the minimalist which I have adopted over time might be preferable if you're going for just audio quality and convenience is not the biggest factor. I agree that the microphone on its own sounded a little unexciting and boring, but now that you've applied some heavy processing, while not bad, it's definitely a bit much on the bass side of things. Because of that, I have compiled a list of things I would have liked to know right from the start without the hassle of trial and error and want to present an alternative approach to microphone audio, one that you're most likely not interested in as it lacks the other features of your newfound device combination. I have to preface this by clarifying that I am in no way a professional or have studied some subject in this field. I just read up on how hardware and software related to this work internally and tried my hand at writing my own plugins for it and calibrating my microphone / speakers. That having been said, let me share some of my findings: For natural microphone sound and plenty of bass, I think the best you can do is just use an interface without any extra features and then apply as few and little but impactful effects as possible (, all of which are FREE to set up): 1.: A FIR noise removal filter (such as Reafir from Reaper) calibrated with the microphone not plugged in to retrieve the noise profile of only the interface. For that purpose I'd keep the interface at max gain (without the cloudlifter, I don't think it should be necessary) so you can't mess up your calibrated state later by turning the dial and being unable to return it to the exact same position after. If you don't get up close (which is preferable for streaming so you dont cover your entire face or introduce those bad plosive pops if you dont have a pop filter 5 cm + away from the mic to disperse the winds), it still shouldnt clip too often if at all because of it being a dynamic mic. That way you'd remove most of the unwanted noise from the interface with an inaudible loss in quality. 2.1.: A minimal phase FIR (or IIR) filter to equalize the microphone response. I assume you have received a graph showing the frequency response of your microphone in the box. By scanning that and extracting the data to a csv.-file and then importing it into a program such as RePhase and creating a minimal phase FIR filter that equalizes the response to be more linear within a reasonable range of frequencies (30-18000hz) you can get more natural sound and don't have to rely on the proximity effect for bass (Having an as a clean as possible input without too many effects is - in my opinion - important for later editing if need be). As an added plus: You'd get to stay a bit farther away from the mic (I'm disregarding the additional reverb and room ambiance that would be introduced if you then decided to boost the audio later, because it shouldn't be too bad with your setup). You can apply the finished impulse response using EqualizerAPO's built in convolver (or just skip FIR and use its IIR filters for best latency but probably worse sound) or the Impulser2 VST plugin from Freeverb3. 2.2.: Another filter, combined into one with the first one for the best latency, to perform any tonality changes you want such as boosting the air with a high shelf filter or highpassing below e.g. 80hz to cut out rumble. A rule of thumb is to only boost wide bands, staying below +3dB, and stick to slim cuts for anything else like piercing resonances (from your wooden desk or room modes). 80-200 Hz is where the human voice fundamental frequency is located. 800-1200 Hz is where nasal sounds reside. 2-4 kHz is where the ear is the most sensitive, so its the most important area to keep but also not to be overdone with as it will start to hurt your ears very quickly. Above that you have your sibilance, the thing the de-esser is trying to combat, and above 10 kHz its mainly air. If you want to emphasize that pop-music-mix-like breathiness and amplify the band above 10 kHz, it is probably best to have a multiband compressor after the equalizer that compresses only the high-end to keep it in check. 3.: A compressor (preferably with lookahead, look to Reacomp - also from Reaper - for a simple, only single-precison floating-point format, though, start) with very light compression so you don't change the character of your transients too much. 4.: A limiter (such as Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited") at the end of the signal chain so you don't clip and lose that precious information you've spent so much effort retaining. Most of these shouldn't be done out of order because you do not want to increase the loudness of some frequencies before applying the noise removal which would miss those if it has been calibrated before the introduction of the filter that's now before it. But some, such as equalizers just for tonal changes and compressors, you can have multiple of with different settings. Just don't overdo it. The same thing goes for bass: It gains its power from being at the right ratio to everything else, both, too much and too little of it, is bad. As to what DAW you should use to host those VST plugins you choose to apply the above effects with: For realtime streaming your best option is probably EqualizerAPO. If you want something more flexible that also allows for double-precision floating-point format, you can go with VSTHost in which case you'd need FlexASIO or ASIO4ALL and some Virtual Audio Cable software to pipe the audio back into your streaming software. ** EDIT: As has been pointed out, a setup with virtual audio cables can get a bit messy. So EqualizerAPO for streaming and just some DAW for recording (In ASIO or WASAPI exclusive mode if possible to avoid resampling) is probably the way to go, at least out of the options I have described here. My only use case for VSTHost and virtual audio cables would really only be if youre planning to stream and record the already processed audio at its original quality at the same time. ** If your audio is delayed because of the filters, instead of reducing the length and therefore quality, you could use a negative delay in your streaming software to compensate. I didn't really have time to get into everything here, so I am just going to put out there that, if you're interested, I'd be happy to share my two cents (huehue) and more details / ideas with you personally. P.S.: As much as anything, audio is quite the ******* rabbithole and sometimes theres no clear right and wrong, so I'm glad that youre open to input and like to share the learning process with us. That is also what makes me more comfortable to share my ideas despite me not being a professional, also simply because there's no guarantee someone with any authority concerning this stuff will.
I’m curious why are you saying use a compressor with look ahead is going to he useless when live-streaming since a comp won’t be able to look in the future. Also putting the interface to max gain makes no sense you put an interface gain to a little bit more then level you wanted in the mix in or what ever. This is so you have a bit of headroom. Increasing the gain to max will become a hard clipping hazard and also an easy way to increase noise which wouldn’t be there if your gain was lower.
@@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom A lookahead compressor delays the audio stream by the amount of time it is "looking ahead". It's not predicting the future, just delaying the audio by a few milliseconds to be able to attack before the event that triggers it. In streaming software you can then delay the video stream to be back in sync with the now delayed audio. We're talking maybe 200 milliseconds here, plenty (more than we can handle) for your audio and video to be out of sync by, but not much when just converted into additional stream delay. If you're in a DAW manipulating tracks, the lookahead doesn't matter because it's not realtime, it'll just compensate and prerender it as it already has access to all of the audio material from start to finish and can just start a few milliseconds early. It's true that putting the interface to max gain is aggressive. But from my experience with the Sennheiser MD-421 together with the Focusrite Scarlett, it's pretty hard to clip a dynamic microphone at a distance of ~20cm, I can only do it if I basically ingest it. So if the gain is not a problem, why not set it to the max if youre calibrating something that depends on the gain not changing, ever, so that you can't put your calibration efforts to waste by setting it to a different gain by accident later. I feel like max gain would be easiest to remember and easiest to replicate consistently. Try to set your gain to exactly -24.0db on Focusrite Scarlett devices, its not really possible with those knobs. That way you still get to touch the knob for projects where that specific signal chain is not being used and not have to set things up again once youre back to normal. And as far as noise reduction is concerned: If you need to add a lot of gain because you're using a dynamic microphone, you're gonna add a lot of noise from the amplifier in the interface in the process. To filter that, and just that, out is the point of the noise removal strategy i proposed. So if your noise removal is so non-intrusive that you can't hear the noise anymore, but there are basically no (pre- and postringing) artifacts either, why use a gate filter which might cut off parts of speech if set up incorrectly or lead to some weird effects if someone is talking in the background, far away from the microphone? I hope that clarifies my rationale behind those decisions.
Admitting that you were wrong deserves mad respects, especially with how most RUclipsrs behave when confronted with criticism. 👏👏👏 Seriously your last video wasn't all that bad. Spreading awareness about what is good audio and how to achieve it is great. I think you did a good job explaining that you don't need to have a lot of money to achieve "good" audio. Remember that the setup Jay has with his SM7B and GOXLR is typically $900. Where as a simple USB Mic like the infamous Blue Yeti or the Samson G-Track Pro is at $150 and it does a hell of a good job, especially paired with software like VoiceMeter or Voxengo Marvel GEQ. You just have to remember before getting into this what you want out of your microphone quality and how much you're willing to spend for it. Always do your due diligence and research ahead of time.
Yes Yes Yes! Thank you Jay, I am so happy you did this video. Your mic technique fixing alone is awesome! The Go XLR is really perfect for your use case, and of course, I appreciate the Humility you show in this process. You sound amazing!
Yeah, those have been a thing since 1993 or so. I'm a sound engineer and I learned on a NEVE with flying faders. Glorious thing. Can't say the same about the Mitsubishi 48-track DASH tape recorder in use with it...LOL!
@@yeseldiaz3453 It was the 1994 Neve so I don't think Swift Mix modules were around then. Still, a pleasure to use. Likely as it aged, it wasn't anymore and I haven't been back to the studio I learned in since early '95. We also had an API from ages ago and an SSL from some time in the late '70's/early '80's. I spent the most time with the SSL. No flying faders but excellent mixer with better sound than I was told it'd have. Both the API and SSL were hooked up to 24-track Studers that were just beautiful to use.
Paweł Majewski That’s not even correctly quoted; Cunningham’s law is: “the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer.”
As someone who’s set up audio for a living, I’m so glad you made this video. There’s definitely other preamps that would give you a better sound, but they also wouldn’t have the built in stream deck like features the GoXLR has. Seeing how you’re using it shows that it’s really the best for your use case, and let’s be honest. The motorized sliders are the absolute coolest thing ever.
A compressor should always come with a limiter at the end of the effect chain to avoid the signal going berserk. Also, if you just want to normalize, use a normalizer (which is basically just a dynamic compressor). Also, always keep in mind that compressors take a lot of dynamic out of a signal (which what they are for).
Jay, excellent job being human enough to admit your faults. Great deal of respect and regard for this effort especially at a time where most people are so proud and reluctant to admit their mistakes.
I worked for TC Helicon for a year as their IT guy! Had the pleasure of meeting you and getting a photo with you at LTX last year while we were there showing Jake the GoXLR Mini! So happy you got one!!
So this is probably going to seem really random, but the point in this video where Phil’s scream was faded in and out repeatedly made me honestly laugh for the first time in days. I had a kitten die very suddenly on Saturday that I loved extremely deeply, and I’ve been in a whirlpool of shock and depression ever since. But you guys just being yourselves and horsing around got me to laugh for the first time since then. It probably didn’t mean anything to you, and you probably thought it was just stupid fun, but just by being yourselves, you were able to throw me a line to help save me from myself. So, thank you. Thank you for being yourselves and for sharing your joy, even if it’s something as dumb and hilarious as that. It helped to remind me that there is still joy in this world. In a time like this, I’ll take all the reminders I can get. (and sorry for being such a downer in your comments thread, I just wanted to share that you helped me out without even trying)
Just bought this mic myself. A lot videos saying you need a cloud lifter, but you actually don't to be honest it produces great sound without it. You sound great in this video jaytwocents.
Huge respect for correcting this. I'm glad you are finally happy with your setup! The SM7B is an excellent mic, and will serve you well for a long time.
super awesome to hear that you're where you wanna be now! that's the beauty of mics and audio engineering, it takes some finagling but you can get basically where you wanna be if you know what to do in most cases
Hey Jay, if you hear some clipping, your input signal might be to high. Set the gain to about that point where the signal meter hits - 6 dB peak. Cheers mate :)
I use an XM-8500 it’s a great mic let alone being a great mic for the price. The part where it gets more expensive though is getting a decent enough sound card which will support an XLR input.
@@bentosan Use the Behringer UMC202 and you can get the a fairly inexpensive XLR input to a PC. You can also use a Pyle XLR-USB adapter; www.amazon.com/Pyle-Microphone-XLR-Signal-Adapter/dp/B07MTGT27G. Because I need to input other audio channels, I have a Behringer Xenyx 802 mixer and can connect 2 mics and a couple other stereo sources. I pair that with a Behringer UCA200 to get the audio into the PC.
Hey Jay! Long time subscriber first time commenter here. I've been a radio personality for 12 years and it makes me so freaking happy to see experts of your caliber in their own field get to fall in love with broadcast. I also find it refreshing, endearing and honorable to be human and admit faults. Most importantly to demonstrate the ability to learn and grow. Great vid. Looking forward to hearing that warm sound moving forward.
Behringer X18 one of the best investments I ever made, can do the compression, de-essing, gate, etc. Also Reaper, combined with it can do things like dynamic noise reduction and any VST effect you can imagine. I do run a cloud lifter on my SM7B as well but its not needed. But it can do everything the GoXLR can do and more for cheaper with more connectivity. 18 channels that can be routed and controlled. If you are not using it be sure to get the ASIO plugin for OBS so you can use ASIO directly from your mixer.
This is why there's such a profession as audio engineer/audio technician. Our whole job is in part to know this stiff, how to set it up, why, how to use it etc. And it's not easy to really learn that stuff properly. :) So do appreciate audio technicians prficiency with audio and people would do well to hire us when they need someone who knows what they're doing :)
As someone who works with Audio in the entertainment world regularly eg my job, this is a 100 level intro to audio processing. Though still informative to those who don't work in the industry.
Yes! I'm so glad you got that, I just got one for a streamer's pc I built, and I had a lot of fun learning about it and setting it up. I want to get one for myself too.
I still think your initial video is something people can learn from. A beginning streamer does not need a $1000+ mic setup. You can sound decent for much cheaper and work your way up as you build an audience or feel its time to upgrade. I mean, its their money and more power to them but I see it all too often people who have thrown money at a overpowered pc, cameras, mic setup, etc for streaming/content creation and have gone nowhere quick. The setup helps but its more about the personality, content and other factors. So yeah, i really think both of these videos serve a good purpose. I really want a GOXLR myself but I'm currently on USB so id have to get a good XLR mic + the GoXLR and i don't think I'm quite to that level yet, but ill get there some day. Cheers guys!
I'm glad to hear you got the sound you like from the SM7b! It's definitely an "intimate" mic that you need to talk right into, and I love the way it sounds when you time everything just right. It's hard to get perfect, but it's so satisfying when you find the ideal settings. Do let us know if the cloudlifter is necessary or not!
I was going to say there are a lot of better options that give you much better quality than a goxlr, but really it's just meant for streamers with the pads and cheap vfx, and don't want to go in and tweak things to make their natural voice sound good. I dislike this little dumb box but I totally understand why it exists
Its good for podcasts, the overdone bass is pleasent to the ears so its good for long listening, this mic is amazing for vocals when at an appropriate distance tho, esp for the price
"All the typical immature stuff you would expect from me" That's why we love ya dude, I nearly p%%%%% myself when I saw you're I fix it add....so funny, made my day.
To be fair I would probably prefer this route over hotkeying mute which is what I do now. Reason being is the obnoxious notification that discord makes and mid stream or recording that is a pain in the ass and really let's face it a Orion on the sound board isn't much different than a hotkey.
Mad respect for admitting where you were wrong. That MIC is awesome when used properly. To be fair, the Scarlet devices are great, but they're meant to be recorded using ASIO into a DAW such as Reaper or Cakewalk where you'll have your choice of VST options. It can then output that produced sound via the outputs or you can simply record it directly through the ASIO. I use it to record my band and with my laptop for live performances and midi-controlled effects. If you wanted to use it like you'd planned, you'd have to open the DAW every time you used the MIC and apply the appropriate EQ, then use something like ASIO4ALL to map the output to a virtual output and use that as your audio source for OBS. I don't find it practical outside of either recording or performing live while recording. The GoXLR is a great choice to get the most important functionality you want.
You absolutely need a cloudlifter for a dynamic microphone, even with the GOXLR. If you remove it from your input chain, you will have serious gain staging issues. This is why I choose to use a condenser over a dynamic mic, but to be fair, I mix vocals for music so it makes more sense for me to have one in my personal use case. It also works great for voice work and streaming, but somebody who is streaming only and not making music, a dynamic mic is probably the better choice. Regardless (and I know I'm late for this update), I'm glad you got it figured out homie. Much respect.
Never heard of your channel before this SM7b issue came up. Well done for this response! Please take out the gain added at the low end though! No need to boost a voice 4db at 48hz! That's crazy talk. Any significant energy below 80hz is generally making your voice sound worse.
Another reason to love this channel! I was hoping to see this video come out! Loved that you took some of the advice from the audio geeks! Glad you tried a few more things that we suggested, it is a wonderful mic! Many content creators would have not listened to any of the audience suggestions and just sold the mic, good on you giving it another go!
"De-esser" Oh man there's this guy who has like 5 different RUclips channels that dessssperately needssss thisssss. His s's are like nails on a chalk board in some of his videos...
If it's not live, you can deal with sibiliance in post-production even more easily. Everything is harder and more expensive when you do something live.
SM7B is a workhorse. It's used for broadcast and studio work; I use it for metal vocals and guitar cabinets. At 7:53: You're probably listening to the direct monitor sound in the headphones, this is the sound from the microphone without any effects. Direct monitor sound is for recording without latency, which is critical for performances that need to be on time, such as a studio recording. I don't own a GoXLR but you should be able to also listen to your mic output with FX if you desire.
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Big respect to a guy who can admit he's wrong and correct himself for the viewers to learn from. You're a good dude.
You should've seen him in his earlier videos/tweets. He engages with viewers who contradict him and how he does things. That was a time I took a hiatus from viewing his content because of his hostile attitude. Seeing him more accepting of the opinions of his viewers shows that he's come a long way.
I love him too
I was about to write the same thing.Respect.
@@EpicGamer440 Agree. Believe it or not there my be subscribers to Jay who are actually sound engineers or even people who design and make the equipment that he was talking about. Never underestimate the power of community and the level of expertise they may bring to the table. Humble Jay is a good thing.
I used to watch Jerry a lot until he responded to an email I sent him like a jerk and I haven't watched him since, even avoided tech talk because I just couldn't believe his on cam personality anymore.
Jay admits he's wrong and takes the advice from others and his audience?
I like.
i like too
youtubers since 6 years ago acts like a telemarketer, I checked the comments in the first video and no one said anything about GoXlr, I guess he needs to push a new product in each video so here it is another 500 bucks affiliate link, which in my opinion you won't need just download audacity for tune your voice, for effects there infinite software for voice fx, many free of charge, yeah the GoXlr device is cool is has everything pack but you have to spend twice the amount you need for the mic which is the most important part of this audio setup that will work fine with any audio interface like those behringer of 30 bucks, like everyone said just put it in your mouth lol
@@DarkP1 I just checked and there are people talking about it you just didn't bother looking well enough.
@@DarkP1 You a very wrong in your comment for even suggesting Jay's doing this for the money. Of course he's going to use an affiliate Amazon link. Everyone does. He's just letting you know of the great product.
GoXLR is the best bang for buck streamer solution. I know I bought one before Jay.
But that whole "Oh he's just doing it for the money affiliate' conspiracy youtube lingo just pisses me off.
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Hey jay, I recommend lowering the gain on your microphone before it goes into the preamp. If you do that then it wont pop and you don't have to worry about it. The compressor is going to be OK at helping normalize the volume but there is a good chance that some clips will make its way through if you get too loud. If you just raise the gain on the compressor and set the threshold lower you can keep that volume that you want while not chancing any clipping. Much love Jay!
Exactly , Well said
I liked hoping he'll actually see your comment.
I'm guessing this works sort of like using an analogue mic on a regular sound card. I never use 100% gain. Usually end up at ~90% with some variation depending on how shitty the actual sound card is.
This is correct, remove all processing and set faders to unity then set gain to eliminate input clipping. Then set compressor and EQ and turn up the "make up gain" so that channel output is roughly the same.
@@aBoogivogi depending on the setup and the amount of amplification being applied before being converted to a digital signal, the signal can clip. I have never used a sound card, ive always used audio interface. Its probably a very similar case though
Jay: "This microphone sucks."
Audio Techs: "You Shure about that?"
Jay: I'm Shure sm7b about it!
I mean, I don't want to get too Audio Technica about it, but we're pretty Shure.
You guys with all these terrible puns just need to hit the Rode...
@@Swansong16 You won the internet today
Hey, it's not a Harmonica!
My only recommendation: I wouldn't boost that hard at 49hz. That's subwoofer range. Anything below 60hz in a voice I personally wouldn't actively boost.
120 Hz bass cut in a music mix, maybe lower it to 80 or 60 Hz for speech. What I usually do at least
God I hate it when I listen to videos in the car and I have to turndown my Sub because of this. It mostly breathing noise at the lower frequencies from voice and mechanical vibrations from a lack of a floating mic.
At least Jay doesn't have that terrible habit of constantly adjusting his mic.
i usually even lower the lf's when i have an event with a speech and boost the mids, wouldnt reccomend incresing bass expect of music
Yeah. He has way too much low end boost. My guess is his headphones have significant low end roll off, and he's adjusting based on those rather than getting a good pair, or better yet, a pair of actual monitors that have a flat response. I've always found headphones to be complete crap in general for using as references when setting eq curves.
Agreed
Roll off the low end from 70Hz down, you'll lose some of the "warmth" but also that low rumble and boominess, It'll sound tons better, trust ya boy!
yesh i think you right there Ciprian
true but that's the wrong way to go about it. he can keep the deep bass voice and fix the rumble and boominess, it's called a subsonic filter. he needs one set to 30hz or so. he instead needs to cut the 75-192hz bands a couple db to get rid of some muddiness. lower his pre-gain a bit, and back off the compressor a bit to be less aggressive. and back the de-esser down to 25, it sounds fine there. too much reduces clarity and high end that helps with intelligibility.
Yep. When I mix for TV, I cut from 72 Hz on down.
@@Artcore103 Uhm.... did you try turning if off and on again?
Agree, that boominess is annoying.
"I'm never too proud to..."
A soldering iron and Rossman enters the chat.
@@trist308 Boss-music? I just heared the judge ruling and the undertaker-theme playing.
@@ABaumstumpf No "Man Hissing" sounds?
HEAT THE BOARD
YOU STABBED THE RESISTOR ONTO THE BOARD!!!
@@mmmdawe the pad actually i think it was.
Phil: *does a fake laugh*
Jay: It doesn't sound the same.
Phil: Yeah I can't fake it.
Jay: That's what she said
Phil: *does an actual laugh*
I love these two 😂
@Randude14 at what time stamp?
@@markzamljencevka 10:49
Yeah, Phil is definately a welcome edition to Jayz channel. Love his humour, his point of view and the way they work together. But Coconaut Monkey is missed as well 🙂
@@TheGuyFromDenmark95 where did he go btw?
@@faridwakim i believe he had to move on for
education purposes, so he had to stop at Jayz and got a work within his education because he was more or less finished with the school part
Love to see someone admit their mistakes and learn how to do shit right. This is a great video, your audio sounds incredible now!
agreed, sounds like a big time radio show i listen to regularly. that will be really great for streaming
Me: that’s a really cool monitor *clicks link*
Amazon: 1400$
Me: it’s not thaaaatttt cool
Correct. It's out of stock everywhere, so 3rd party sellers are jacking the price way up. Amazon themselves has never charged more than $460.
its actually a lot cheaper but it says 1400 because they dont want it to be rendered as out of stock on amazon
In stock now around $550.
Turn down the bass a teeny bit and you're solid ;)
agreed
Or increase the mids and treble then turn the level down if it’s still to much. Subtractive eq.
yeah this is just way too low, he wanted that warm sound, but went a bit too far. sounds great for the rest though
Cool Epos Vox is here also
Yeah, it's too scooped for my preference.
One other thing I noticed was the threshold of his compressor is set a bit oddly, unless intended to be used as a limiter. With a -3dB threshold, the compressor is only beginning gain reduction when the level hits -3dB. 3dB below clipping. Generally a threshold set this high is used as a peak limiter, to prevent clipping. If used as a peak limiter though, he'd want to increase the ratio significantly, and shorten the attack. Otherwise he might consider lowering the threshold until the compressor starts digging in, then reducing the ratio if the compression is too much. General rule of thumb for compression is ~2-3dB of average reduction, then adjust from there. Makeup gain to adjust for the average gain reduction. (I'm not sure the GoXLR has a reduction meter to tell how much gain reduction is being applied though, so that can be tricky if you've never used a compressor before).
I agree with pretty much everyone else: good to see you listening and learning. Didn't need to buy new things, but if the GoXLR works for you that's fine. There's too much low end, a deep bassy smooth voice doesn't push 49Hz.
As someone with a home studio, this was definitely fun to watch. The world of audio and sound production is a never-ending learning experience where “break through” technology is always being invented. Glad you listened to your audience and improved your setup, it sounds great!
Comment not about anything mic related but to your filler talk. You really are such a dad it totally makes me happy. I love seeing your videos I do and you always do something dad like. My dad was around only for my early years but he was always so goofy and taught me things about computers.
Honestly, after watching your last video on this microphone, I was hoping this video would happen.
after reading the comments last time, i was pretty sure he'd end up responding fairly quickly
5:30 turn off 49hz, that’s a frequency you don’t need and it will clean up some of the muddy sound in your voice. Also, drop the 75hz to taste. Me, I would just eliminate it all together. So try that out and report back if you can 😎🥃
Agreed! Unless you're Barry White, my subwoofer shouldn't be moving when you talk!
Just do a lowpass at around 100. Those frequencies aren't needed anyways
is this the only thing he has plugged in like does he no longer have the scarlet or the cloud lifter?
@@SOFCsquad He mentions around the last bit of the video that he has not tried this soundboard thing without his booster. For this mic, you need the booster.
@@NeonKillsIt I’ve got mine now and you do t need the booster as the goxlr has one already built in and talking to my friends my mic is louse as hell
If he goes to the HC Helicon Discord, they have recommended settings for the GoXLR with specific mics
That is good advice! Thanks, I hope Jay almighty sees this
Sounds like he's got it dialled in pretty well already. Getting the right sound has as much to do with the person's unique voice as it does with the mic they're using.
It's TC Helicon
As a sound engineer, this makes me proud how much you've learned. 😊
is this the only thing he has plugged in like does he no longer have the scarlet or the cloud lifter?
@@CaptainLooks it’s just the mic into the goxlr 🙂
@@CaptainLooks I have the shure sm7b and mini go xlr and it’s perfect
@@CaptainLooks sadly not just person use but from the people I talk to etc had no issues/complaints
The all I know about sound is ‘you hear it and you don’t….. on/off! Lol’
Someone who can admit when they are wrong...
Jay for president 2020
He hasn’t been credibly accused of sexual assault so I’m not sure he’s allowed to run. I mean, you’d think that’s case considering the choices.
@@Yomom12388 yeah I salute the timing of accuracy.All these years no problem, even VP wasn't worth the hassle but president seat is worth the effort.
Didn't know being a decent person can make anyone a candidate these days.
@@youdonegoofed Being a decent person is being a special person those days.
glad to see the turnaround on this haha - Jay only thing I would tweak about the sound: I wouldn't boost in the lows like you are. If you had a subwoofer to monitor your voice, you'd be like "wow this is too much". Maybe just set a highpass filter with a cutoff of anywhere from 80-120hZ, just to make sure you're not rockin anyone's trunk with your narration lol - cheers!
"I can't fake it."
"That's what she said."
Get's the real laugh out of Phil. Lmfao
Utterly refreshing to see someone admit they previously got it wrong and is willing to learn something new.
The world needs more of that. Too many people stick to their guns regardless of incontrovertible evidence. To see someone not only admit their mistake, actually say they were wrong, but to then teach the rest of us what they learned... priceless. Nothing but kudos and respect. You have gone up in my estimation.
I know its just a review about a mic and mixer but it leaves me yearning for more of this from our 'fearless leaders' and our citizenry.
"I was wrong and you showed me I was"
Instant like
I like how he has changed for the better. Way back in the day, he was a bit different. Many people think they have to be right all the time. Especially when their channels are small. So I understand where he was coming from back then. Now he takes in what people says into consideration and when he is wrong, he tells us why he was wrong and how he fixed it.
I have problems of my own I need to fix. Speaking is hard for me. I like to think about what I want to say before I say it. In this world of instant feedback, people look at me strange when I stop for a while and think. So I will probably start by using discord in games.
Jay, This should help if you don't know this already.
Say your music is coming from an app like Spotify etc. But you don't want to drown your game/desktop audio out.
If you wanted you can actually tell windows to feed Spotify/music app through the 'music stream' fader of the GOXLR.
By doing that you can separate your system sounds and your music! Allowing you to control each with their own faders.
To do so:
1. Go down to your sound icon on the taskbar.
2. Right click and choose 'Open Sound Settings'
3. Down the bottom under 'Advanced sound options' Click on 'App volume and device properties'
Now, whatever apps you have open. You can send those sounds to whatever channels you want :)
Glad to see you got it all working in the end.
As Joe Rogan would say "try and keep it about a fist away" LOL
Especially when you're in the sauna to get those heatshock proteins !
@@cosminpopescu92 Don't forget also when you're taking a DMT trip in your isolation float tank/pod.
a buddy of mine
Ah the fisting technique, guaranteed to get the best sounds possible out of your audio source... speaking of saucy...
Ahahaha so true.
This whole situation has been handled amazingly well by everyone involved. Jay, your first video did a great job of presenting the problem, IMO the community had a great response with lots of helpful tips, and in the end you implemented their tips to get the results you were looking for. Awesome!
Hey Jay, I've gotten heavily into audio over the last 3 years and I strongly feel that while you cannot deny the simplicity and usefulness of the GoXLR's features, the position of the minimalist which I have adopted over time might be preferable if you're going for just audio quality and convenience is not the biggest factor.
I agree that the microphone on its own sounded a little unexciting and boring, but now that you've applied some heavy processing, while not bad, it's definitely a bit much on the bass side of things.
Because of that, I have compiled a list of things I would have liked to know right from the start without the hassle of trial and error and want to present an alternative approach to microphone audio, one that you're most likely not interested in as it lacks the other features of your newfound device combination. I have to preface this by clarifying that I am in no way a professional or have studied some subject in this field. I just read up on how hardware and software related to this work internally and tried my hand at writing my own plugins for it and calibrating my microphone / speakers.
That having been said, let me share some of my findings: For natural microphone sound and plenty of bass, I think the best you can do is just use an interface without any extra features and then apply as few and little but impactful effects as possible (, all of which are FREE to set up):
1.: A FIR noise removal filter (such as Reafir from Reaper) calibrated with the microphone not plugged in to retrieve the noise profile of only the interface. For that purpose I'd keep the interface at max gain (without the cloudlifter, I don't think it should be necessary) so you
can't mess up your calibrated state later by turning the dial and being unable to return it to the exact same position after. If you don't get up close (which is preferable for streaming so you dont cover your entire face or introduce those bad plosive pops if you dont have a pop filter 5 cm + away from the mic to disperse the winds), it still shouldnt clip too often if at all because of it being a dynamic mic. That way you'd remove most of the unwanted noise from the interface with an inaudible loss in quality.
2.1.: A minimal phase FIR (or IIR) filter to equalize the microphone response. I assume you have received a graph showing the frequency response of your microphone in the box. By scanning that and extracting the data to a csv.-file and then importing it into a program such as RePhase and creating a minimal phase FIR filter that equalizes the response to be more linear within a reasonable range of frequencies (30-18000hz) you can get more natural sound and don't have to rely on the proximity effect for bass (Having an as a clean as possible input without too many effects is - in my opinion - important for later editing if need be). As an added plus: You'd get to stay a bit farther away from the mic (I'm disregarding the additional reverb and room ambiance that would be introduced if you then decided to boost the audio later, because it shouldn't be too bad with your setup). You can apply the finished impulse response using EqualizerAPO's built in convolver (or just skip FIR and use its IIR filters for best latency but probably worse sound) or the Impulser2 VST plugin from Freeverb3.
2.2.: Another filter, combined into one with the first one for the best latency, to perform any tonality changes you want such as boosting the air with a high shelf filter or highpassing below e.g. 80hz to cut out rumble. A rule of thumb is to only boost wide bands, staying below +3dB, and stick to slim cuts for anything else like piercing resonances (from your wooden desk or room modes). 80-200 Hz is where the human voice fundamental frequency is located. 800-1200 Hz is where nasal sounds reside. 2-4 kHz is where the ear is the most sensitive, so its the most important area to keep but also not to be overdone with as it will start to hurt your ears very quickly. Above that you have your sibilance, the thing the de-esser is trying to combat, and above 10 kHz its mainly air. If you want to emphasize that pop-music-mix-like breathiness and amplify the band above 10 kHz, it is probably best to have a multiband compressor after the equalizer that compresses only the high-end to keep it in check.
3.: A compressor (preferably with lookahead, look to Reacomp - also from Reaper - for a simple, only single-precison floating-point format, though, start) with very light compression so you don't change the character of your transients too much.
4.: A limiter (such as Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited") at the end of the signal chain so you don't clip and lose that precious information you've spent so much effort retaining.
Most of these shouldn't be done out of order because you do not want to increase the loudness of some frequencies before applying the noise removal which would miss those if it has been calibrated before the introduction of the filter that's now before it. But some, such as equalizers just for tonal changes and compressors, you can have multiple of with different settings. Just don't overdo it. The same thing goes for bass: It gains its power from being at the right ratio to everything else, both, too much and too little of it, is bad.
As to what DAW you should use to host those VST plugins you choose to apply the above effects with: For realtime streaming your best option is probably EqualizerAPO. If you want something more flexible that also allows for double-precision floating-point format, you can go with VSTHost in which case you'd need FlexASIO or ASIO4ALL and some Virtual Audio Cable software to pipe the audio back into your streaming software.
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EDIT: As has been pointed out, a setup with virtual audio cables can get a bit messy. So EqualizerAPO for streaming and just some DAW for recording (In ASIO or WASAPI exclusive mode if possible to avoid resampling) is probably the way to go, at least out of the options I have described here. My only use case for VSTHost and virtual audio cables would really only be if youre planning to stream and record the already processed audio at its original quality at the same time.
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If your audio is delayed because of the filters, instead of reducing the length and therefore quality, you could use a negative delay in your streaming software to compensate.
I didn't really have time to get into everything here, so I am just going to put out there that, if you're interested, I'd be happy to share my two cents (huehue) and more details / ideas with you personally.
P.S.: As much as anything, audio is quite the ******* rabbithole and sometimes theres no clear right and wrong, so I'm glad that youre open to input and like to share the learning process with us. That is also what makes me more comfortable to share my ideas despite me not being a professional, also simply because there's no guarantee someone with any authority concerning this stuff will.
@c76
DAMN SON THIS COMMENT IS 5 1/2 SCREENS LONG on my phone.
You in love with this subject?
I’m curious why are you saying use a compressor with look ahead is going to he useless when live-streaming since a comp won’t be able to look in the future.
Also putting the interface to max gain makes no sense you put an interface gain to a little bit more then level you wanted in the mix in or what ever. This is so you have a bit of headroom. Increasing the gain to max will become a hard clipping hazard and also an easy way to increase noise which wouldn’t be there if your gain was lower.
If noise is not a problem why would you ever apply noise removal?
@@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom A lookahead compressor delays the audio stream by the amount of time it is "looking ahead". It's not predicting the future, just delaying the audio by a few milliseconds to be able to attack before the event that triggers it. In streaming software you can then delay the video stream to be back in sync with the now delayed audio. We're talking maybe 200 milliseconds here, plenty (more than we can handle) for your audio and video to be out of sync by, but not much when just converted into additional stream delay. If you're in a DAW manipulating tracks, the lookahead doesn't matter because it's not realtime, it'll just compensate and prerender it as it already has access to all of the audio material from start to finish and can just start a few milliseconds early.
It's true that putting the interface to max gain is aggressive. But from my experience with the Sennheiser MD-421 together with the Focusrite Scarlett, it's pretty hard to clip a dynamic microphone at a distance of ~20cm, I can only do it if I basically ingest it.
So if the gain is not a problem, why not set it to the max if youre calibrating something that depends on the gain not changing, ever, so that you can't put your calibration efforts to waste by setting it to a different gain by accident later. I feel like max gain would be easiest to remember and easiest to replicate consistently. Try to set your gain to exactly -24.0db on Focusrite Scarlett devices, its not really possible with those knobs. That way you still get to touch the knob for projects where that specific signal chain is not being used and not have to set things up again once youre back to normal.
And as far as noise reduction is concerned: If you need to add a lot of gain because you're using a dynamic microphone, you're gonna add a lot of noise from the amplifier in the interface in the process. To filter that, and just that, out is the point of the noise removal strategy i proposed.
So if your noise removal is so non-intrusive that you can't hear the noise anymore, but there are basically no (pre- and postringing) artifacts either, why use a gate filter which might cut off parts of speech if set up incorrectly or lead to some weird effects if someone is talking in the background, far away from the microphone?
I hope that clarifies my rationale behind those decisions.
@@larryfoster423 Lol. "I have compiled a list of things I'd like to know..." Riiiight.
13:16 - "I think the GOXLR sounds amazing with the GOXLR." - Jay
**Looks at my Yeti**: I still love you buddy.
Just a tip : Use VoiceMeeter banana with it. You will get better sound quality than default.
Yeti ftw
Looks at attached Astro a50 mic
Your my boy
@@NewkLambesislooks at built in mic of my Corsair Void Pro
yeti is still a good mic! like the other tip just use voicemeeter banana and it'll be solid!
Admitting that you were wrong deserves mad respects, especially with how most RUclipsrs behave when confronted with criticism. 👏👏👏
Seriously your last video wasn't all that bad. Spreading awareness about what is good audio and how to achieve it is great. I think you did a good job explaining that you don't need to have a lot of money to achieve "good" audio. Remember that the setup Jay has with his SM7B and GOXLR is typically $900. Where as a simple USB Mic like the infamous Blue Yeti or the Samson G-Track Pro is at $150 and it does a hell of a good job, especially paired with software like VoiceMeter or Voxengo Marvel GEQ.
You just have to remember before getting into this what you want out of your microphone quality and how much you're willing to spend for it. Always do your due diligence and research ahead of time.
I really dig the GoXLR cut-out effect in the video. That is pretty epic 👍 Also, I really want a GoXLR 🙌
Yes Yes Yes! Thank you Jay, I am so happy you did this video. Your mic technique fixing alone is awesome! The Go XLR is really perfect for your use case, and of course, I appreciate the Humility you show in this process. You sound amazing!
Flying faders .... Should see professional consoles with 30+ of those things zipping around!
Yeah, those have been a thing since 1993 or so. I'm a sound engineer and I learned on a NEVE with flying faders. Glorious thing. Can't say the same about the Mitsubishi 48-track DASH tape recorder in use with it...LOL!
That’s one of my favorite things
@@Nostaljack was it a Swiftmix automation module? The API I used had automated faders attached to both the DAW and it's own controller and it's cool.
@@yeseldiaz3453 It was the 1994 Neve so I don't think Swift Mix modules were around then. Still, a pleasure to use. Likely as it aged, it wasn't anymore and I haven't been back to the studio I learned in since early '95. We also had an API from ages ago and an SSL from some time in the late '70's/early '80's. I spent the most time with the SSL. No flying faders but excellent mixer with better sound than I was told it'd have. Both the API and SSL were hooked up to 24-track Studers that were just beautiful to use.
Keep being humble and I'll keep being a fan. Thanks for choosing to not sell out, and thanks for choosing to stay honest. Respect and love for ya Jay
It's like what they said. Want to know something? Post something not true and wait for someone to correct you.
Paweł Majewski That’s not even correctly quoted; Cunningham’s law is: “the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer.”
@@DanKaschel What he if he wanted the quote so he quoted it wrong
@@gamingadvisor002-1 Indeed
@@DanKaschel damn he got you
@@aadp9864 *woosh*
As someone who’s set up audio for a living, I’m so glad you made this video. There’s definitely other preamps that would give you a better sound, but they also wouldn’t have the built in stream deck like features the GoXLR has. Seeing how you’re using it shows that it’s really the best for your use case, and let’s be honest. The motorized sliders are the absolute coolest thing ever.
OH MY GOD He is starting to sound like Howard Stern
Bugger, beat me to it.
Holy shit when listening without seeing him it 100% does
A compressor should always come with a limiter at the end of the effect chain to avoid the signal going berserk. Also, if you just want to normalize, use a normalizer (which is basically just a dynamic compressor). Also, always keep in mind that compressors take a lot of dynamic out of a signal (which what they are for).
I am getting some great catharsis from this. Thank you for the audio ego boost Jay.
Jay, excellent job being human enough to admit your faults. Great deal of respect and regard for this effort especially at a time where most people are so proud and reluctant to admit their mistakes.
I cant hear the word "ignorant" without hearing the South Park Michael Jackson.
Ignant!
Ah hee hee
SAME
ALLEGEDLY!
That's so ingorant.....
I worked for TC Helicon for a year as their IT guy! Had the pleasure of meeting you and getting a photo with you at LTX last year while we were there showing Jake the GoXLR Mini! So happy you got one!!
"Real Talk With Jay" sounds like the kind of podcast I use in the background to ignore my tinnitus.
So this is probably going to seem really random, but the point in this video where Phil’s scream was faded in and out repeatedly made me honestly laugh for the first time in days.
I had a kitten die very suddenly on Saturday that I loved extremely deeply, and I’ve been in a whirlpool of shock and depression ever since. But you guys just being yourselves and horsing around got me to laugh for the first time since then. It probably didn’t mean anything to you, and you probably thought it was just stupid fun, but just by being yourselves, you were able to throw me a line to help save me from myself.
So, thank you. Thank you for being yourselves and for sharing your joy, even if it’s something as dumb and hilarious as that. It helped to remind me that there is still joy in this world. In a time like this, I’ll take all the reminders I can get.
(and sorry for being such a downer in your comments thread, I just wanted to share that you helped me out without even trying)
Just before he said "It's the Jedi" i swore he was trying to imitate Linus's voice.
Just bought this mic myself. A lot videos saying you need a cloud lifter, but you actually don't to be honest it produces great sound without it. You sound great in this video jaytwocents.
Hey jays I’m making my own computer, and ur videos helped me a lot thx!!
hope it goes well man! enjoy
Who is going to build your computers after you make them?
@@REDZ28won what do u mean
He is trolling..ignore
Huge respect for correcting this. I'm glad you are finally happy with your setup! The SM7B is an excellent mic, and will serve you well for a long time.
As an audio engineer it's beautiful to watch Jay nailing some facts about basic vocal treatment/production :D
Christian Gregers Jørgensen yes but it would have been nice if he low cut the mic att 100hz instead of boosting 49-75hz.
is this the only thing he has plugged in like does he no longer have the scarlet or the cloud lifter?
super awesome to hear that you're where you wanna be now! that's the beauty of mics and audio engineering, it takes some finagling but you can get basically where you wanna be if you know what to do in most cases
Hey Jay, if you hear some clipping, your input signal might be to high. Set the gain to about that point where the signal meter hits - 6 dB peak. Cheers mate :)
One of the reasons why you are my favourite RUclipsr. Humility at its best. Keep up the good work, Jay. You've got a fan from Malaysia.
And I'm here recording classes to my students on a 20$ USB mic.
do the best with bare minimum. :)
I use an XM-8500 it’s a great mic let alone being a great mic for the price. The part where it gets more expensive though is getting a decent enough sound card which will support an XLR input.
Great suggestions, guys. Btw, I should also start editing some videos cuz I teach literature. Thx
@@bentosan Use the Behringer UMC202 and you can get the a fairly inexpensive XLR input to a PC. You can also use a Pyle XLR-USB adapter; www.amazon.com/Pyle-Microphone-XLR-Signal-Adapter/dp/B07MTGT27G. Because I need to input other audio channels, I have a Behringer Xenyx 802 mixer and can connect 2 mics and a couple other stereo sources. I pair that with a Behringer UCA200 to get the audio into the PC.
@@nosbig98 He's recording a lecture, not an album.
Hey Jay! Long time subscriber first time commenter here. I've been a radio personality for 12 years and it makes me so freaking happy to see experts of your caliber in their own field get to fall in love with broadcast. I also find it refreshing, endearing and honorable to be human and admit faults. Most importantly to demonstrate the ability to learn and grow. Great vid. Looking forward to hearing that warm sound moving forward.
Jayz thats why we love you....if you do something wrong you coming up with your mistake and you are honest.
Just to remind everyone before they get the mini it doesn't come with a de-esser
Also has only 6 EQ bands
So?
Mini is sold out everywhere for the next two months... why??? 😭 lol... yeah, just gotta wait for restocking. Even Amazon is out.
Props to you for admitting that you are wrong !! It takes a lot of guts to say to this many people that you're wrong !!
As an music engineer with a degree I wish I was a streamer so I could play with this.
Behringer X18 one of the best investments I ever made, can do the compression, de-essing, gate, etc. Also Reaper, combined with it can do things like dynamic noise reduction and any VST effect you can imagine. I do run a cloud lifter on my SM7B as well but its not needed. But it can do everything the GoXLR can do and more for cheaper with more connectivity. 18 channels that can be routed and controlled. If you are not using it be sure to get the ASIO plugin for OBS so you can use ASIO directly from your mixer.
1:20 “Hold that thing about a fist from your face”
@Urzu.7 haha exactly bro!
This is why there's such a profession as audio engineer/audio technician. Our whole job is in part to know this stiff, how to set it up, why, how to use it etc.
And it's not easy to really learn that stuff properly. :)
So do appreciate audio technicians prficiency with audio and people would do well to hire us when they need someone who knows what they're doing :)
3:56, Sound so crips, You got yourself a warm sounding mic LOL
Meh, I think it sounds more blood than crip.
Andrew Riley LOL
As someone who works with Audio in the entertainment world regularly eg my job, this is a 100 level intro to audio processing. Though still informative to those who don't work in the industry.
3:51 had me saying holy shit that sounds good.
I knew i liked watching you for some reason. It's good to admit when your wrong this quality is so rare anymore. Thank you Jay
i love jay, and i love that mic, lmao im glad you figured it out
Yes! I'm so glad you got that, I just got one for a streamer's pc I built, and I had a lot of fun learning about it and setting it up. I want to get one for myself too.
the internet is always right jay...now im off to take my daily dose of bleach to stay virus free
I still think your initial video is something people can learn from. A beginning streamer does not need a $1000+ mic setup. You can sound decent for much cheaper and work your way up as you build an audience or feel its time to upgrade. I mean, its their money and more power to them but I see it all too often people who have thrown money at a overpowered pc, cameras, mic setup, etc for streaming/content creation and have gone nowhere quick. The setup helps but its more about the personality, content and other factors. So yeah, i really think both of these videos serve a good purpose. I really want a GOXLR myself but I'm currently on USB so id have to get a good XLR mic + the GoXLR and i don't think I'm quite to that level yet, but ill get there some day. Cheers guys!
9:56 that one mosquito that constantly follows you every day
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Love you man .. you said you didn't know what you were doing ... :) We're all learning. Love your channel!
7:50 drop your mic level down 2 notches. Mic is too hot.... CORRECTION too much bass 🤦♂️
I'm glad to hear you got the sound you like from the SM7b! It's definitely an "intimate" mic that you need to talk right into, and I love the way it sounds when you time everything just right. It's hard to get perfect, but it's so satisfying when you find the ideal settings.
Do let us know if the cloudlifter is necessary or not!
Was a DBX 286s ever recommended prior to the Go XLR?
The DBX 286s is far superior to the go XLR in my opinion since it has hardware compression and really nice hardware compression at that
I did and a few others, but I also recommended not buying anything new.
DBX is a lot better than the Go XLR, but it's a little too late now I suppose.
I was going to say there are a lot of better options that give you much better quality than a goxlr, but really it's just meant for streamers with the pads and cheap vfx, and don't want to go in and tweak things to make their natural voice sound good. I dislike this little dumb box but I totally understand why it exists
Yeah, I agree with others...you're a good dude for being human, and learning from mistakes. Glad you got what you want in the end!
I've always found this "buttery" sound annoying and sounds somewhat muffled. At the beginning of the video your voice sounded more natural.
I agree.
Its good for podcasts, the overdone bass is pleasent to the ears so its good for long listening, this mic is amazing for vocals when at an appropriate distance tho, esp for the price
I appreciate that you made this video admitting you were wrong about the mic, got on you man
0:00 Im making this my lockscreen xD
Bought both same SHURE mic and GoXLR a few months ago. Thanks to this video I'll hook them up and dive in.
"All the typical immature stuff you would expect from me" That's why we love ya dude, I nearly p%%%%% myself when I saw you're I fix it add....so funny, made my day.
Well done @JayzTwoCents. Glad you're not one of those stuck up creators that don't listen to their audience when told which way is better.
All these tech wizards don't know you can set keybindings to deafen discord smh my head
To be fair I would probably prefer this route over hotkeying mute which is what I do now.
Reason being is the obnoxious notification that discord makes and mid stream or recording that is a pain in the ass and really let's face it a Orion on the sound board isn't much different than a hotkey.
that thing is super cool, and you definitely sound like every radio talk show I've ever heard. That's super cool!
"This is the voice of Grod!" :))
04.05.2020
Getting mine soon I love the GOXLR its amazing
"Counter Strike: GO, I was playing the other day"
13:27 Literally making me run around my house trying to find my cloudlifter.
This shows that just because someone is on the internet it doesn’t mean they are an expert.
To be fair audio stuff isn't what his channel claimed to be about. It just happens to be useful to the channel and his personal use.
Mad respect for admitting where you were wrong. That MIC is awesome when used properly. To be fair, the Scarlet devices are great, but they're meant to be recorded using ASIO into a DAW such as Reaper or Cakewalk where you'll have your choice of VST options. It can then output that produced sound via the outputs or you can simply record it directly through the ASIO. I use it to record my band and with my laptop for live performances and midi-controlled effects.
If you wanted to use it like you'd planned, you'd have to open the DAW every time you used the MIC and apply the appropriate EQ, then use something like ASIO4ALL to map the output to a virtual output and use that as your audio source for OBS. I don't find it practical outside of either recording or performing live while recording. The GoXLR is a great choice to get the most important functionality you want.
You absolutely need a cloudlifter for a dynamic microphone, even with the GOXLR. If you remove it from your input chain, you will have serious gain staging issues.
This is why I choose to use a condenser over a dynamic mic, but to be fair, I mix vocals for music so it makes more sense for me to have one in my personal use case. It also works great for voice work and streaming, but somebody who is streaming only and not making music, a dynamic mic is probably the better choice.
Regardless (and I know I'm late for this update), I'm glad you got it figured out homie. Much respect.
Never heard of your channel before this SM7b issue came up. Well done for this response! Please take out the gain added at the low end though! No need to boost a voice 4db at 48hz! That's crazy talk. Any significant energy below 80hz is generally making your voice sound worse.
"This is the voice of god" *cue evil laughter*
Me: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Much respect to a someone, especially a huge Tech RUclipsr that can admit he was wrong, and fix it and now have exactly what he wants. Good job man
"quarantine hair"....homie, what? Your hair is like an inch away from a buzz cut.
Now THAT sounds amazing. Good job in figuring it all out. Audio engineering is a beast in and of itself... even the basics.
Jay, you sound like one of those XM/Sirius Radio show hosts! It's still your voice but it's just... weird for me.
Another reason to love this channel! I was hoping to see this video come out! Loved that you took some of the advice from the audio geeks! Glad you tried a few more things that we suggested, it is a wonderful mic! Many content creators would have not listened to any of the audience suggestions and just sold the mic, good on you giving it another go!
"De-esser"
Oh man there's this guy who has like 5 different RUclips channels that dessssperately needssss thisssss. His s's are like nails on a chalk board in some of his videos...
Sibilance
If it's not live, you can deal with sibiliance in post-production even more easily. Everything is harder and more expensive when you do something live.
SM7B is a workhorse. It's used for broadcast and studio work; I use it for metal vocals and guitar cabinets.
At 7:53: You're probably listening to the direct monitor sound in the headphones, this is the sound from the microphone without any effects. Direct monitor sound is for recording without latency, which is critical for performances that need to be on time, such as a studio recording. I don't own a GoXLR but you should be able to also listen to your mic output with FX if you desire.
The goxlr for the mic is multiple times more experience than my pc
Expensive? Or are we talking levels of experience points? I don't think either one has really completed any quests.... Soooo.... Going with expensive