Discussing Mystical, Spiritual & Psychedelic Meditative Experiences With Dr. Daniel Ingram
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Dr. Daniel Ingram co-founded the Emergent Phenomenology Research Consortium, which brings together clinical, scientific and spiritual paradigms to improve clinical outcomes. In this fascinating conversation, we discuss what many might call “spiritual”, “mystical”, “energetic”, etc. experiences and effects that may occur through meditation.
Dr. Ingram is also the acting CEO and board chair of the charity Emergence Benefactors, which aims to reduce global suffering and promoting long-term human flourishing through an in-depth understanding of emergent phenomena.
Some links mentioned in the video:
Https://theeprc.org/
Https://ebenefactors.org/
Https://integratedaniel.info/
Https://mctb.org
www.cheetahhouse.org/
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What a nice conversation! I just got Medito last week after watching a RUclipsr named Hamza, who discusses topics such as self improvement and dopamine detoxes. Today was my second day meditating and it felt fantastic!
Nice, I'm on day four myself, I like hearing people on the same journey as me
I had a different type of near-death experience as a teenager. I was basically held hostage by an individual over the course of 3 weeks. I was forced into a situation in which I felt my life had suddenly been put in danger, and I swear in that moment I saw my life pass before my eyes. From then something in me opened, but I also consider the experience so detrimental as to be part of what has held me back from spirituality; there is a strange duality to the opened/closed aspect that is tied together by this particularly traumatic experience. Long story short, my intuition would prove accurate and the individual would try to end my life 3 weeks later. I was then able to escape the situation, but it left me suffering from agoraphobia and an inability to speak about it (beyond giving people 'the gist'). Months later I would experience what was later labelled an acute psychosis, but back in the day, doctors were seemingly quick to diagnose schizophrenia (as in within 15 mins of meeting), and so they labelled me as such (which was a large factor in why I developed a fear of my spiritual experiences as I was convinced that I was 'crazy' to think they were real; that in and of itself is still a trauma I deal with to this day). Still, I do question whether psychosis was an appropriate label itself, but when you find yourself questioning whether you were/are crazy according to a professional/doctor who claims to know you better than you could ever know yourself, well that is an inadvertent lesson in learning to not trust yourself - perhaps an issue that is exacerbated by years of abuse and developmentally inappropriate experiences. But anyway...
Jumping ahead 15 years later: I would find myself tackling my fear of spirituality. I'd say it began earlier, but timidly in that I'd slowly been making my way through Osho's Book of Secrets, a book which goes into great detail about the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra. I picked this up having found that I hated meditation. Yes, you heard right... I picked up a meditation book because I hated meditation. I was sold on the idea that it could be helpful in so many ways, but every experience I had with it made me furious when I would sit down and close my eyes. Regardless of the controversial nature of Osho, I found the multitude of methods intriguing, and given that just watching the breath was seemingly just leading to me being pissed off, I was more than happy to give the more mindfulness-based methods of the VBT a try. I settled on one that was most fitting for me about 1/3 of the way through the book... One that I found to be natural as it pertained to watching uncomfortable feelings - particularly an itch - just arise without reacting to it. That, and a method of feeling every step deeply were my two most connected methods that I would occasionally do. And by occasionally, I mean probably pretty rarely! Largely just when I was sitting on a bus after my feet were sore after work.
At least 5 more years passed and I began attending therapy with someone who just blew open the doors of something inside of me. The moment I met them I knew they had a spiritual background and there was an 'I know you' quality I couldn't dismiss. One particular session I went to say something before leaving and they attended to me in such a thoughtful way that the universe disappeared in that moment; they literally dropped everything to listen to what I had to say in that moment, and instantaneously whatever I had to say lost all meaning. That *dropping* of everything was *it*. I swear it meets the description of what Daniel describes as one of the three doors - something I wouldn't discover for many months later - except that I was not on a cushion when it occurred. My response to returning from the 'blip' was to want to run home where I spent four days in total bliss, dancing and laughing and giddy... Until I stopped myself in my tracks when a thought returned and I had to wonder who was this. I spent months after that night staring into a mirror asking 'Who am I?' routinely, or writing in a way that I didn't know I could. Sadly the therapist wasn't open to what I was experiencing and I felt re-traumatized, but for months I was in a state that is hard to describe. My body would gently vibrate any time I was resting or laying down and I began to have lucid dreams and OBE; meditation wasn't something that made me angry anymore either. It would eventually 'go away' before I had another experience like it nearly 2 years later when I broke through some of the deep trauma mentioned above. That time I would feel an energy rising from my heart to my neck, but which would seemingly be locked from progressing further. I would spend 6-10 weeks in a state of EXTREME bliss and awareness with more writing occurring, and a new direction that involved helping others. All my senses were increased and I felt as though I was floating. Over time though the trauma returned, as if like a voice in my head that wanted to banish this newfound freedom I had discovered; as if something inside me literally preferred me terrified and insecure. Talk about dark nights of the soul... Whether each or either of my experiences were 'simply' arising and passing away, or some level of stream entry (which I once was lucid in a dream where I was faced with the possibility of entering a stream, but instead attempted to read a language I didn't know in a cave, and then decided to go to a [re]birthday party instead)... Each changed me in their own way.
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I've started meditating just about a couple weeks ago, I was always pretty withdrawn emotionally my whole life due to childhood traumas, I couldn't cry even if I feel absolutely crushed, so the weird thing I noticing since I start meditating is that every time during meditation session I feel how tears running down my face while I don't experience any emotional sensations or submerged with any thoughts that could cause this reaction. For me this left a field for reflection and I will look forward for how meditation will affect my life in the future. Anyway I'm absolutely hooked with the new experience and enlightenment that meditation bring in my life and I can't express in words how grateful I am for an amazing work you guys did and keep doing. Thank you (and Hamza for recommending this app) from the bottom of my heart
So glad to hear it is making such an impact for you! ❤️
thanks for the app god bless you
Thank you too! ❤️
@Wilson you should be ashamed of yourself
I've had numerous experiences with meditation throughout the years. What has stood out to me was when I meditated in a hospital chapel and during the session I experienced the most agitation I've ever experienced during a session. Then at some point it all cessed and for the first time in my life there were no busy thoughts in my mind, and too this day they haven't returned In the way that they were before. The peace and equanimity overshadow so much of the typical anxiety and stress that happened daily. It was a stark contrast like night and day.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah, it is interesting how the extremes (strong agitation and total peace) can manifest during meditation!
This happened to me after my first time ever meditating. The feeling of bliss and equanimity lasted for a good 6 months and then slowly faded. It really was a revelation, but then I also learned that it is a practice, and I need to keep working at it continuously in order to reach and/or maintain equanimity. Possibly someday it will be effortlessly sustained by permanently forming new neural pathways by way of meditation, but for now it's a practice that I enjoy. That initial meditation session was 15 years ago! So crazy.
So many thanks from this Floridian! Medito has changed my life 💟
So glad to hear it has made a difference for you!
Hey thanks for that interview ,that was great - he seems like a very interesting guy
( and even another more specific interview or two I'm sure would be fascinatin)..
Glad you enjoyed it!
Daniel, you should produce a "DSM" of your own with your foundation. It could majorly bring legitimacy and guidance to the space, and also dovetail with the mainstream since the mainstream loves manuals and systems. 😁👍
If anyone knows Daniel's contact information you could send this idea to him 🙏
Thanks guys, this app is awesome
A lots of love and respect to the team and creators
Hey guys, I wanted to put my thoughts into words!
I've been going through the medito courses diligently. I'm currently on the "deepening your practice" chapter and I just can't quiet grasp the utility of ego dissolution.
Maybe I'm just delving deeper than necessary but here's how I see it:
After finishing the session I started to think about what I learned so far.
Through mindfullness my day to day has become more productive, because of the increase of focused time. Aside from focus I've been contemplating independantly the relationship between me, my shadow and my ego.
I repressed my shadow to a high degree throughout my middle and highschool years and I lost contact with it for a long time. This resulted in me becoming almost diconnected entirely from the world. I was defensless against the daily tides of life. All the while my ego has started to get out of hand. Originally I am a respectful and helpful person but through half a year right before graduation I started to become a prick. Hatred started to bubble up within me (this was also caused by other outer events), I was feeling worthless.
The same time as this was happening I felt like I left limbo which is a good thing but right after I started to become my own worst critic, though I always had the capacity to critisize myself, It became stronger and more viscious.
Leap forward 2 years and I'm almost as greatful for my ego for being a prick and my subcouncious critic barating me at that time, as being brought to this world.
I can already distance myself from my ego when neccesary and I made progress integrating with my shadow.
Yeah...after putting it into words I see that I moved on from that and I can focus on further growth.
Man I'm just so grateful for the better side of the fitness industry, for self-improvement and the manosphere, for all the redpillers and for all the people nearing masculine excellence, smarter and more succesful people and for medito for helping me keep a level head, and relentless focus to pursue my goals.
Though I may be a beginner in most things, I am more and more excited to live than ever!
Thank you ❤
Thanks for sharing your experience! You're right, our egos are actually useful tools, that help us to navigate the world. We wouldn't want to be completely without one. However, it's possible to recognize that our egos aren't our true nature, and through meditation, we can rest in peaceful awareness, without being driven by our ego. It doesn't mean that our egos disappear forever, but the more we practice mindfulness and compassion, the less we are controlled by our them.
It sounds like you're doing a lot of self-reflection along with your mindfulness practice, which is great!
Thank you
Steven please try bodybuilding or some kind of sports it really does have good effects on your life. After trying it for a while it would be interesting to listen your experiences about it.
I am having my first session with a personal trainer next week! 😁
Daniel have you ever tried to conceive this with western Alchemy and Magic traditions? The system is there only burred in obtuse symbology that most get lost in. Al-chemical Marriage anyone? The Iliad and the Odyssey is the Osirion journey to a second birth and death, Tantra, but most practitioners have either hidden too well or been crucified. cheers
Daniel should work together with Jeffery Martin, he has also done some quite insightful research on enlightenment experiences.
Daniel, once again thank you, my lineage post high lama wont even talk about what goes on in the mind of high level vajrayana practitioners. Mindfulness is completely negligent I believe, they are Materialists and insist there is no extraordinary phenomena because really they are bad at it, closed, or just dead inside. These leads to the Shadow taking over, not good. Balance.
It seems to work more on your subconscious. It would be easy to give up meditation without some kind of positive feedback, not realising what effect it is having.
It also is another mechanisation, or discipline structure which doesn`t seem natural somehow.
Thank you for Medito man. This shit really saved my life
So glad that it has helped you! ❤️
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