Alan, everything looked awesome but I think the star of the show was that SBC Pi 2. 24v terminals (no need for step down/buck converter), M.2 support, 32GB eMMC (slow, but should suffice for Klipper), 2GB of RAM. Awesome for anything Debian related for $50.
It's surprising to me that people are stuck with pi's in 2024.... Like.... A google search and they can find something like khadas vim1s with basically all that but the 24v power input for 59... And it's from 2019 or something , 2gb, 16gb emmc, HDMI output, wifi, oowo fpr easy OS installation ... It's crazy to me that 3d printer hobbyists that are so advanced in tech, still are heavily pi users, even going sometimes with pi zeros 😅
@@picudo it is a matter of support. There are dozens of SBCs on the market with great features over the Pi, but they almost all run some random kernel of Armbian that requires workarounds to make them work. The developers of these firmware / software we use have to pick something that works and has wide adoption. If every person who wanted to run Klipper had to dive into installing drivers and working around various updates, it wouldn't be as widely adopted. Pi just has more market share so it has more support. And realistically a Pi Zero 2W is enough processing power for most Klipper 3d printers, so more processing power isn't a benefit on 3d printers. Many of those other board options just had features we don't need for 3d printing.
They really dropped a bunch of solid new things at once. I was worried I wouldn’t have a lot to cover, then realized it warranted its own stand alone video. 🤣
Really digging the goodies. That fan is pretty sweet looking! That's one thing that is surprising to me, there hasn't (seemingly) been much development in the "fan space" for custom tailored 3D print fans. It's cool to see that changing.
You mean the HBB? It is a sweet little board but its a sin to hide that clear PCB behind a panel. I'm thinking of mounting mine at the top of my machine somewhere.
It would be better if they just worked on making their existing products reliable. I wonder if they fixed the USB shield ground connection on CB2 (and M8P 1.1-2, V1.0 was ok) as it stood it was not grounded and caused issues with Beacon.
Not entirely sure what you mean? Like a Voron with their parts? Or a machine using as much of their stuff as I can? They are heavily featured on a couple of my Voron builds as it is, but I guess not entirely BTT based.
I ordered the revo panda two months ago and it said it would ship early April. I've emailed them a few times and they even lied to me and said it shipped. I emailed the Fri and they said it will now ship in June... you shouldn't lie to your customers and now I'm spreading the word every where I go.
I got one early and it came broken, splices under the shrink wrap just weren't even connected. Other people get them missing the mounting holes or the holes are in the wrong spot. IDK how they fuck up production so badly, but they did. It's also not on Amazon anymore, not sure if they never had enough to sell or they were just garbage and pulled them to looked into their bad production quality. For $130 this thing was a regret, they refuse to send me a new one and want me to solder these wires they didn't. Their CS is really slow and not very helpful.
IDK, I got a broken Panda Revo they wanted me to fix myself. Lots of stories about this $130 product with so many problems like missing or misaligned mounting holes. I have wires not spliced correctly. They asked me to just resolder it myself then took months to offer a replacement part. This thing never worked, and they wouldn't replace the whole thing. I really don't care how cool their new stuff is, their product came broken and they wouldn't fix it. Not $130 quality or service in the least.
Please dont support BTT's eddy sensor, it is a knock of the beacon3d, which is made by a 1 person and supporting BTT's theft of their design will only harm them while enriching a massive company.
Nah, Beacon costs at least 4x more, so it is not sustainable business anyway. BTT design is obviosly different. This is how competition looks like, welcome to the real world.
While we have massive respect for the Beacon team and what they have done, we wholeheartedly disagree with this. There are probes out there which simply knocked off the Beacon design and code. Ours did neither. It offers novel features which have true benefit to the user. The code is original and natively supported within Klipper. We really don't want to cause any harm to the Beacon business and we are sure that they will be just fine because they have a good product.
I have to disagree with this statement as it has several improvements over the beacon like being lighter and having more support it is all so much cheaper. The person behind beacon didn’t invent the eddy current it’s not the technology. So it’s not a clone
Are you sure you mean endstop port? I’m not familiar with using normal endstop ports as control circuits, they usually just provide power and look for signal, that’s it. You risk damaging a board when using a port that doesn’t have an associated mosfet to run PWM control through it. A fan port is intended for that kind of load. Also most boards have many more fan ports than they do endstop ports, so if you have a fully populated board it is a lot likelier a fan port will be available to you. Because we “can” do something doesn’t mean we should. BTT is trying to make things more accessible and safer for intended purposes. Repurposing GPIO pins or Endstop ports can have unintended consequences, versus fan ports that are expected to see varying voltages and handle that properly.
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Alan, everything looked awesome but I think the star of the show was that SBC Pi 2. 24v terminals (no need for step down/buck converter), M.2 support, 32GB eMMC (slow, but should suffice for Klipper), 2GB of RAM. Awesome for anything Debian related for $50.
Agreed. For $50 with all it packs in, i may have a go to SBC to switch to. Wish I’d been a little more awake to register that when I filmed this, ha.
@@MandicReally Hey, no worries! I’m sure you were exhausted with everything going on.
Even if it looks a lot alike a stock rPi, it looks (physically) a bit larger (longer?)?
It's surprising to me that people are stuck with pi's in 2024.... Like.... A google search and they can find something like khadas vim1s with basically all that but the 24v power input for 59... And it's from 2019 or something , 2gb, 16gb emmc, HDMI output, wifi, oowo fpr easy OS installation ... It's crazy to me that 3d printer hobbyists that are so advanced in tech, still are heavily pi users, even going sometimes with pi zeros 😅
@@picudo it is a matter of support. There are dozens of SBCs on the market with great features over the Pi, but they almost all run some random kernel of Armbian that requires workarounds to make them work. The developers of these firmware / software we use have to pick something that works and has wide adoption. If every person who wanted to run Klipper had to dive into installing drivers and working around various updates, it wouldn't be as widely adopted.
Pi just has more market share so it has more support. And realistically a Pi Zero 2W is enough processing power for most Klipper 3d printers, so more processing power isn't a benefit on 3d printers. Many of those other board options just had features we don't need for 3d printing.
That's... actually a lot of really cool products. Nice!
They really dropped a bunch of solid new things at once. I was worried I wouldn’t have a lot to cover, then realized it warranted its own stand alone video. 🤣
Great video! It turned out that I missed a lot of the new products when visiting their booth 😅
Oh and it was really nice to meet you in person!
Wonderful to meet you as well Jan. They had more than I even covered, so don’t feel bad missing things. The show was overwhelming to say the least.
thanks for covering bigtreetech at rmrrf , was really looking forward to someone sharing more info on their new product launches.
Great video, cool to see everything thats coming out!
Yes, I would like to see a standalone Obico install - possibly on one of those BTT boards.
Ooh some really interesting stuff being released. I'm a big fan of their stuff for the DIY side of 3d printing
Nice one! Exciting stuff, thanks for sharing. :)
It was cool to see you there! As I said, I really enjoy your content!
I hope the nozzle type for their Bambu hotend is v6 because i already have a bunch of cht v6 nozzles.
Yup, there is the Panda Flow that is CHT V6 compatible. Collab with Bondtech.
Really digging the goodies. That fan is pretty sweet looking! That's one thing that is surprising to me, there hasn't (seemingly) been much development in the "fan space" for custom tailored 3D print fans. It's cool to see that changing.
BTT is amazing with electronics.
we're finally getting front panels! I do CNC work and always wondered when we'd get physical panels for dedicated functions (hopefully with layers?)
You mean the HBB? It is a sweet little board but its a sin to hide that clear PCB behind a panel. I'm thinking of mounting mine at the top of my machine somewhere.
Yes Obico please
Super excited for the Pi replacement
I really need to grab one or two and give them some test runs. The M.2 slot has me excited for a nice reliable storage option.
It would be better if they just worked on making their existing products reliable. I wonder if they fixed the USB shield ground connection on CB2 (and M8P 1.1-2, V1.0 was ok) as it stood it was not grounded and caused issues with Beacon.
Obico let's go. I would like to see you make that happen 😁👍
Dude please make a top of the line BigTreeTech coreXY build with direct drive! (pretty please? XD )
Not entirely sure what you mean? Like a Voron with their parts? Or a machine using as much of their stuff as I can? They are heavily featured on a couple of my Voron builds as it is, but I guess not entirely BTT based.
obico server sounds awesome. definitely interested
The CB1 stand alone will take 24v as well from screw down terminal blocks...
Well it is fed from whatever it is plugged into and that would generally be a motherboard which would take 24V.
I ordered the revo panda two months ago and it said it would ship early April. I've emailed them a few times and they even lied to me and said it shipped. I emailed the Fri and they said it will now ship in June... you shouldn't lie to your customers and now I'm spreading the word every where I go.
I got one early and it came broken, splices under the shrink wrap just weren't even connected. Other people get them missing the mounting holes or the holes are in the wrong spot. IDK how they fuck up production so badly, but they did.
It's also not on Amazon anymore, not sure if they never had enough to sell or they were just garbage and pulled them to looked into their bad production quality.
For $130 this thing was a regret, they refuse to send me a new one and want me to solder these wires they didn't. Their CS is really slow and not very helpful.
IDK, I got a broken Panda Revo they wanted me to fix myself. Lots of stories about this $130 product with so many problems like missing or misaligned mounting holes. I have wires not spliced correctly. They asked me to just resolder it myself then took months to offer a replacement part. This thing never worked, and they wouldn't replace the whole thing.
I really don't care how cool their new stuff is, their product came broken and they wouldn't fix it. Not $130 quality or service in the least.
I hope they bring out a cm4 form factor of their new pi
They are. I just didn’t get enough good footage of it to include in this video. It was right next got the Pi board that I focused on.
It's out mate. Check out the CB2.
What about that h2v2x there?
Ohh yea...there is that coming too. 130g and 7.5kg of pushing force. It's a cute little beast!
FOMO setting in...
The new products look nice, just that I won't buy the first revision of their products.
Please dont support BTT's eddy sensor, it is a knock of the beacon3d, which is made by a 1 person and supporting BTT's theft of their design will only harm them while enriching a massive company.
Nah, Beacon costs at least 4x more, so it is not sustainable business anyway. BTT design is obviosly different. This is how competition looks like, welcome to the real world.
Not a knock off, just the same type of a product and actually in the reach of normal customers
While we have massive respect for the Beacon team and what they have done, we wholeheartedly disagree with this. There are probes out there which simply knocked off the Beacon design and code. Ours did neither. It offers novel features which have true benefit to the user. The code is original and natively supported within Klipper. We really don't want to cause any harm to the Beacon business and we are sure that they will be just fine because they have a good product.
I have to disagree with this statement as it has several improvements over the beacon like being lighter and having more support it is all so much cheaper. The person behind beacon didn’t invent the eddy current it’s not the technology. So it’s not a clone
You can already control the cpap fan like a normal fan using an endstop port, an extra board is unnecessary.
Are you sure you mean endstop port? I’m not familiar with using normal endstop ports as control circuits, they usually just provide power and look for signal, that’s it. You risk damaging a board when using a port that doesn’t have an associated mosfet to run PWM control through it. A fan port is intended for that kind of load. Also most boards have many more fan ports than they do endstop ports, so if you have a fully populated board it is a lot likelier a fan port will be available to you.
Because we “can” do something doesn’t mean we should. BTT is trying to make things more accessible and safer for intended purposes. Repurposing GPIO pins or Endstop ports can have unintended consequences, versus fan ports that are expected to see varying voltages and handle that properly.
This gets an additional 20% flow rate from the fan by actually driving it correctly.