The DOWNFALL of WILL SMITH, JADA & CHRIS ROCK: What NO ONE is saying about the SLAP
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The downfall of Will Smith, Jada Pinkett Smith and Chris Rock slap that no one is talking about. How Will Smith destroyed himself and Jada, their relationship, the lies, deflection, and manipulation. We need to talk about the Will Smith slap of Chris Rock. Are we supposed to feel bad for Jada? For Will? Chris? Something doesn’t sit right here…
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I SCREAMED SWOOP SWOOP !!!! You always come thru with the truth. No matter how hard it is to hear. Or be reminded of how it is to be on the receiving end. You’re truly the voice of the people and us who can’t speak up. I love you! Soy Chicana and I just wanna say… thank you
hey swoop... so I'm from Australia and I have NO IDEA about black people being discriminated against because of their HAIR??? that seems like pure insanity to me... I don't even understand how that would happen?? in what scenario?? obviously I'm completely ignorant to this issue so I have no opinion. but I just really don't understand how that even works??
Hey swoop jus to let you know around the 37:00 mark you say the url wrong for crown petition i recommend clarifying it in description pinned or around that time mark. Also tried signing it appears US only as it needed a zip code (im from UK sorry). Also 53:00 his names Willard btw, I was surprised too.
In the part where you talk about how there were no repercussions for Will's actions (aside from the ten year ban the Oscar committee placed on him while historically never placing any such restrictions on far worse men they continued to celebrate for years like Polanski, Allen, Wayne, Weinstien and so on and so on but anyway) isn't it also true that part of listening to victims includes listening to what action they want to take?
If Chris said he didn't want to take things any further than whether or not anyone else agrees with it, that's his choice.
Rather than assume that the only reason a victim did not want to take things further legally is based on some societal perception of male victims of violent acts, shouldn't we be listening to their own explanation and accepting how they want to proceed? We can't advocate for victim autonomy, then judge the decision they use that autonomy to make because we don't agree with it.
I always admire Swoop for going for covering Taboo topics. And yes PLEASE go over Amber Shmerd and Johnny Depp please!
Yes please!! Would love a video of what's going on with Johnny Depp and Amber Shmerd
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I fourth this motion!!!
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I loved this. One thing I have to say is that the racist part of it for me is the way the press and the academy treated Will Smith, but they didn’t have the same energy for known rapists, pedophiles and abusers in the industry and that have been on that stage. Perhaps because they were white? It’s a discussion, I think.
Yes, thank you. This was a huge omission that should’ve been covered.
Hot take - because the Academy has traditionally been full of abusers, etc, but not bipoc community. They gatekeep and protect their own.
@@Raya-ir4tm That's great that they defended him, but it doesn't really take away from my point. There's no denying that they've never treated any other of the actors/directors/producers who have done awful shit with the same energy and they were all rich white men. Let's say it's not racism, let's say it's a coincidence white men consistently get a pass, what's the excuse? A slap is reprehensible but sexual abuse, pedophilia, abuse of power, overall violence, and racism isn't? Or is it only reprehensible because it happened in the open?
Cause it happend on camera. If any other abuse would have happened on camera it would be covered over and over too
These people did not commit these acts on stage.
54:14 Appreciate you coming out and letting us all know, brother. Lot of folks respected you a lot less, and some of us were afraid you might take it personal
This was wonderfully thorough and looked at from various angles. I particularly appreciated the “ableism” angle and Chris Rock’s experience with violence and bad. treatment in regards to retaliation. Thank you so much for being so well-rounded in your reporting ❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕
Also- as a white woman and a dsp, I always appreciate hearing more about your individual experience with modeling and childhood as a black woman and natural hair as well as hearing more about your particular experiences and challenges with a disorder. These feel like gifts to learn and thank you for sharing !💕❤️
Lupita Nyong'o looks soooo uncomfortable in that clip when Will is screaming at Chris oh my god 😂 😂
Also I was unaware that Jada was a master of the puppet technique jutsu, was unaware she was from the village of the sand and could just use her Chakra strings to make Will walk. Was unaware she was an actual naruto character.
I'll be honest and say I was a little concerned coming into this because I've heard so many different opinions about what happened, but this was done really well.
Pros:
1) I'm so happy for Samuel L Jackson. I would have had no idea that we won his first award if you hadn't mentioned some highlights of the rest of night.
2) I really appreciate your take on the fact that everyone experienced something when they viewed the slap and that we should all be able to talk about and process it, not just the black community.
3) Words can be incredibly painful, but they aren't violence, and I loved you were willing to separate them very clearly.
If Will Smith had used the microphone to express himself instead of Chris Rock's face, this would be a far more constructive conversation.
I understand not blaming Jada but to say she doesn't get in Wills head is a lie. I think if he had tried to talk it out and be mature she'd get on her lil podcast saying its embarrassing her husband doesnt defend her like a man should. Evident by her laughing at will hitting a man for her. When you're married you can know from a glance if there's going to be a fight later. We didn't see if she said something or he knew that look meant she was mad about him not defending her. So ya an eyeroll can fuck a person up mentally especially someone conditioned to think that way since Jada constantly puts Will on Blast and makes him into a joke.
If he had used the microphone it wouldn't still be a conversation at all
I’ve never been this early and while I’m so over and tired of everyone stretching this ordeal out I will GLADLY listen to your input. You break things down with way more detail and insight than what is presented to the surface of all your topics so I can’t wait to listen and learn
OMG thank you! I was hesitant to post this since it took soooooo long to research in depth, but hope y'all enjoy!
I agree! I skipped so many other people's videos on this because I was just sick of hearing about it, but Swoop has an incredible way of presenting the facts in depth while keeping me interested and engaged the whole time.
@@PettyUniversity we do! we appreciate the time you put into your docs so much!! 😘🥰
I think Jada is toxic, and if you’ve ever personally dealt with a toxic person they’re usually 10x worse behind closed doors. I truly believe that had Will not stood up to “defend her” they would have gone home and she would have dug in on him about not defending her. He probably feels like he has to go above and beyond to prove himself to her because she cheated on him.
Discussions of her nature and behavior can be had… about her own bad behaviors, but in this society people are only culpable for their OWN actions.
If at home that night she went full Lady Macbeth he’d be perfectly justified to leave her. But nobody is justified in assaulting third-party individuals out of fear. Self defense is ONLY viable if the violence is turned against the actual threat.
I honestly see this relationship ending as an episode of Dateline.
the fact that you think you truly believe that a woman is so toxic to the point where she can compel a grown adult man do be violent on live television at one of the most prestigous award show in the western world while not pesonally knowing any of these people shows a lot of internalised misogyny
@@carolynv8979 Ya'll need to realize manipulation slowly pushes you to believe your abuser is right and you may find yourself doing things you otherwise would never do. One form of manipulation is to repeat something until someone does what you want. This fucks with people's subconscious by "training" that line of thought into them.
@@emilyyang2229 Definitely not misogyny… my opinion comes from dealing with an abusive ex. Who was in fact a man. And it’s just that, an opinion.
Buuuut he did laugh at first, noticed she was upset and then reacted. Ofc I don’t know them personally, but I do know that betrayal can make one question themself in every way.
Chris was well within his rights to make that joke.
Jada was well within her rights to not like that joke.
Will had no right to smack someone over a joke.
I was kind of disappointed to see you missed the part about the Oscar's history in rewarding abusers in the past and violent behaviors. While I don't agree with Will's actions, and I do think he should receive some form of punishment, I think the punishment was kind of harsh considering there have been other incidents occur at the Oscars. Roman Polanski was given a standing ovation after receiving his award that he was not present for. Why was he not there? Because he was fleeing the country from a CHILD R*PE charge. Something that happened live, just as this situation did, was when John Wayne had to be restrained by multiple security in order to not attack Sacheen Littlefeather, a Native American actress, that was speaking out about her people's treatment in Hollywood. I'm wondering if maybe this is it or if you will talk about it in another video. I think it just adds another layer to this entire situation.
@@lovescent46 100% agreed. I just think its crazy that all of a sudden they're upholding a "behavioral conduct" policy for Will Smith, but not for everyone else. Is it because of race, or the disregard of women in Hollywood, or some underlying factor we aren't seeing? Who really knows. But why start NOW though?
This is so true and thank you for saying it I'd love to see Swoop make a video about this issue with Hollywood as it's a very important topic.
very true
There are many variables at play here, and plausible rationale for shady dealings and racial bias in policy enforcement, but something to consider is the context and zeitgeist of these incidents. The John Wayne thing was 1973 and Roman Polanski was 2003, which is almost 20 years ago. There is still a long way to go with systemic oppression and institutional racism, but highlighting inconsistencies in how policy wasn't previously enforced from decades ago also isn't a clean argument about how they are enforcing them now. Especially since systemic oppression has become such a major topic in current social justice.
So, yes and no. I'm not going to argue there's no racial bias at the Oscars, that would be non-sensical. But in the case of RP, he was at that time charged, but properly to be considered innocent until proven guilty, and in the case of JW, he was restrained by people so no violence occurred. Smith wasn't restrained, he actually attacked Rock live in front of millions of people. To my mind this is the most severe of these three incidents, and I would like to think as a person who has marched for LoveMusicHateRacism and BlackLivesMatter that I'm looking at this with the least amount of racial bias I guess any white person can claim given our intensely racist socialisation in the West in general..? Live physical violence trumps saluting an accused ch*ld r*p*st or restraining someone from lunging violently. Also the Wayne incident was only humiliating for Wayne, whereas the Smith incident was basically humiliating for Chris Rock as well as an assault.
I agree with your take on the actual incident in question, and it really made me see it all in a different perspective. However, I think the Academy itself is just trash for banning Will from the ceremony for ten years. Like, let's just look at how Roman Polanski was removed from the Academy 40 years after he was CONVICTED of RAPING A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL. And twenty years after he was convicted, they gave him an award with a standing ovation. Oh, and the only reason he can't attend the ceremony is because if he steps foot on American soil he will be put in prison.
THIS.
It only mattered to them because Will did it on stage at the Academy live on tv and that's all they care about. While they have no control over what happens outside of the Academy, don't think it's right that they gave him (Polanski) an award, he should have never been mentioned again. Then again, maybe this would have gotten them into legal trouble had they tried to get involved? I don't know, but I'm sick of all these pretentious award shows that are basically rigged for the privileged rich. These people are so out of touch and think they understand but their worlds actually tend to be much smaller than they realize, stuck in echo chambers with yes men.
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and the one guy who tried to assault a native actress who had to be held back by security and nothing else was done by the academy
A 100% this is way to aggressive this man was accomplished so much in his lifetime one bad moment shouldn’t cancel him when there’s disgusting pieces of shit walking around w no constraints. I didnt think the joke was funny or okay. I think the slap was the best thing to happen to tv 📺 in decades. The Sensitivity is Insane
While I will agree that Will is his own person, and I believe at the end of the day only he is responsible for his actions, I’m not going to act like JPS is a good person. She’s been problematic in her own right for some time. Jada is not *the reason* Will did what he did, but I’m not going to act like their seemingly toxic and definitely emotionally manipulative relationship doesn’t play a factor.
The fact that he wasnt taken away by security and arrested immediately for assault is disgusting. I am also almost certain that if Will didnt do it, Jada would have belittled him when he got home. She didnt need to tell him to do it. All it takes is a look from an abuser to know ur in trouble.
That's black privilege. A white man would've been arrested. White person assaulting a black person? Oh yeah, they'd throw the book at him and add on a hate crime for good measure.
When you talked about Chris Rock’s childhood and his traumas I literally started to cry, because there standing on the stage was a grown Chris rock that at the moment the slap happened he most likely reverted to being little Chris as a child and feeling not worthy of love or support. Imagine the traumas he endured as a child and now as a grown man working thru these things in therapy and 1 single event possible reverting the process he has made to get closer and heal from his wounds. It’s heartbreaking and I feel for him, I really do.
THIS
@@Stephanie-we5ep Yeah I’m pretty black women go through the same when being constantly shamed for her hair or being targeted against or black people when a black man like Chris rock let’s a white man say the n word with the hard r
WELL KEEP CRYIN…. How do you get bullied as a child then grow up to do the same to this woman? I don’t care, I’m not buyin into this Chris Rock being the “good guy” act, because of his childhood. If we have to take his childhood into consideration, then you have to do the same with WILL…… and him not being able to protect his mom, from his dad being abusive to her. So that’s why he protected his wife.
-SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
@@tatttoon no one says that he is not allowed to protect his wife. But as said in this video, there would have been loads of other ways to do so that did NOT involve violence
Yes, not to mention being physically assaulted by a much larger and stronger man while he can’t do anything but not retaliate knowing he’ll be hurt even more :(
Honestly I disagree with taking any blame off Jada and saying she had no hand in what happened. Of course Will is a grown man and should be held accountable for his actions. However, his actions came from a very toxic relationship in which he blindly loves her and keeps trying to live up to the legacy of 2Pac (whom Jada loved so much little Willow wrote a bleeping LETTER to him for him to come back and make her mother happy - to a man she'd never met!) and win her approval. She must love his blind adoration, otherwise she wouldn't stay with him. He spent three years planning a birthday party for her only for her to tell him he did it for his own ego. Yes, he's a grown man. But she's a grown woman and should see she'd being cruel. To say Jada did nothing to drive him to this point is just saying men can't be emotionally and mentally abused in relationships, which I hope isn't a narrative you support, Swoop.
Absolutely. Jada is a cunning and accomplished narcissist. It appears Swoop may have never had the pleasure of dealing with someone like Jada. Will went from one of the most wholesome people in Hollywood to hitting another man on stage live. Will needs help to get out of the relationship he is broken you can see his tears waiting at the edges of his eyes. I think Swoop is projecting her own issues into the situation instead of seeing it for what it is m; a victim, Will Smith, who needs help. His abuser, Jada, has his mind so twisted his moral compass is spinning out of control. Blaming Jada is not a sexism issue it is a victim vs abuser issue. This isn’t to say Will was right for what he did but it is a huge sign he needs better help.
@@Mrjtoth1 original Aunt Viv would beg to differ I think
Will is a victim of jada. Chris is the victim of will. The moment he victimized chris physically he was responsible for his own actions. Someone can be a victim and an offender at the same time. Just look at how cults are handled when the shit hits the fan.
@@codirennke1109 You're 100% right, and that does not contradict anything I wrote so I'm not sure why you're framing it as a counter-argument to my comment.
Yea she definitely had a ton to do with it he laughed before he saw her
I can't believe all the roads you traveled down in this doc. Phenomenal! Your take on all of this is fantastic, thought provoking, respectful, holding people accountable, grace, humor at the right times, and so much more. You are a person to be reckoned with, so well spoken and so fair to everyone involved. Kudos! Keep it up!
Whatever you look at it, the way Will acted was absolutely inexcusable. There was SO MANY alternative ways to deal with this, I honestly thought it was a skit at first. It was SO out of nowhere.
But the weirdest thing is how everyone in the room (especially Will himself) seemed to immediately forget it happened??? That winning speech tasted like ash in my mouth.
he could have just yelled "to keep my wifes names out of your mouth" and it would have sufficed
I always felt Will Smith was in the wrong. But this made me see how much more compassion I should’ve had for Chris. I feel so bad Chris. And then the way Chris kept his composure and continued with the awards. I can’t imagine how he must’ve felt in that moment. I hope he can process that moment and move on from it because he really did handle that situation on live TV very well.
correct me if i’m wrong but jada said her alopecia is self diagnosed though right? i’ve seen doctors saying the line of missing hair is a scar from plastic surgery most likely a brow lift, as alopecia makes your hair fall out in round clumps and not a line. on top of that jada still has all of her hair follicles…not saying she’s faking but it’s something to consider as well
It doesn't always fall out in clumps, alopecia totalis for example makes everything fall out, lashes, brows, everything. There's also the kind that makes your hair thin all over, i can't remember the name though (ive had this kind of autoimmune disease induced hair loss lmao). I completelyyyy agree that her hair doesn't look like any of the subsets of alopecia at all, it definitely looks like a scar, whether she got the scar through injury or surgery i don't know but it definitely looks like skin that's been stitched together...
I don't think it's our place to say what's alopecia and what isn't. Traction alopecia is alopecia and i've seen a couple people dismiss hers based on the type. Hairloss for women is a a pretty hard experience regardless of what type it is.
@@user-yo5yr9yr2h "we cant say what is and isnt alopecia" well medically, we actually can. Her "hair loss pattern" does not present like any form of alopecia; there is no form of alopecia that causes hair to fall out in a perfectly straight line... i categorically do not believe that she has alopecia and am of the belief that its a scar. I'm also intimately aware of how hair loss can effect women, i have a shaved head due to autoimmune hair loss so don't insult me by assuming i don't know how it feels.
@@abigailxmary "Don't insult me by assuming I don't know how it feels!" Girl, chill, no one here is attacking you, or said anything about you, lol! All that M said was 'let's not judge a stranger's medical conditions through the internet', which is true, it's not our place at all. Unless you're her doctor, don't try to diagnose her, it's invasive and wrong.
@@ajgjngfthyfbk7564 well as i said, medically we can say what is and isn't alopecia, its not speculation if its a fact that her "hair loss pattern" doesn't follow with any form of alopecia.
Hey, really loving the doc so far (I'm about 47 minutes in) but, as an autistic person, I just wanted to quickly correct you on something:
Asperger's is no longer a diagnosable disability in and of itself, as of the publication of the DSM-5 in 2013. Instead, "Autism Spectrum Disorder" is an umbrella term that many of us on the spectrum vastly prefer. This probably wouldn't be as big of an issue if the man Asperger's was named after wasn't, among many things, a literal N*zi and a benefactor of eugenics, but regardless, I felt like it should be brought to your attention for future reference.
I'm not offended since I realize you meant no harm in this, but this is a very sensitive subject for a lot of autistic people.
Thank you for this!! I tell this to people ALL THE TIME! My brother was once diagnosed as "aspergers" and I have to correct them (my own family) saying, no he's on the spectrum
Thank you for educating us!
Oh wow I had no idea! Really appreciate this information.
Yes! This is really important, hope you see this! Hans Asperger was involved with sorting which autistic children were worthy of living and which weren't. Truly disgusting person. "Aspergers" was used for the kids he thought he could abuse into "normalcy. " the rest he called autistic psychopaths and gave to killing centers. Essentially killed autistic children. Didn't see us as human. A lot of us don't want anything to do with his name.
Love your content ✨️ only love, just important info
I’m going into teaching soon and I had no idea, so thank you for educating us! 👍🏼
Just a reminder she diagnosed herself with alopecia, and surgeons and people with alopecia believe the small spot she has is actually a scar from a brow lift. I say this as someone with alopecia :)
Ok and?
@@ShelbieMua and... She was upset about a "illness" she doesn't even have . That's was she was saying
I did find it interesting, my brother has alopecia, and he has never had a straight line of hair lose, all his hair lose are all large and small circle shaped hair lose all over his head but I’m not a pro on the subject.
Yeah her hair loss is literally from a cosmetic procedure or over styling or over processing…. NOT auto immune
Exactly Jada is Amber Turd.
Anyone justifying Will Smith's actions needs to take a really hard look in the mirror! There was no excuse for this whatsoever! My heart broke for Chris
Thank you for informing this old white woman about the DISCUSTING policies about natural hair. I have signed the Crown act and say this not to pat myself on the back but to let you know your docs defiantly reach people. Thank you for all you do to educate. LOVE your channel!
Do you not know what defiantly means?😂
@@Potatotomato26 It was a typo :V
@@angelynmillet3296 no. Lol she doesn’t know how to spell which i understand but come on. I don’t have a school education after 1st grade but I know the difference between defiantly and definitely lol 😂
I think they should’ve just acted like adults and talked to Chris after the show about how they felt or at least how Jada felt rather than making it a huge thing during the show. It seems like doing this just causes drama. I think Chris, could’ve made a statement about it after.
I so appreciate you sharing Chris Rock's perspective on this. The amount of people who just immediately took Will Smith's side in this situation really astounded and horrified me. I hope people see this video essay and really reconsider blindly taking the side of "a man defending his wife". If I were in that situation, I would never want my partner to physically assault somebody to "defend" me. That's not a defense. It's criminal.
Seriously! If I was with someone who did that on my behalf over a joke, I’d be ending the relationship. Making excuses for assaulting people tends to turn into more excuses for violence.
EXACTLY. If you're my partner, please don't go around smacking people "for me", I can handle it myself - and don't be the woman that applauds it either. So pathetic.
Because you're someone who actually cares about your partner. You aren't self centered and selfish like many defending Will Smith's actions.
I will admit I was definitely one of these people because I didn't know all of the factors involved. A lot of details just aren't being talked about so I think a lot of people like myself who don't keep up on celebrity news and informstion just didn't know.
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I think it took a while for people to realize that this wasn’t scripted or some kind of skit. With the way everyone laughed I was definitely like “there’s no way this is real” but then Will started yelling… and then it was just shocking
I agree. I also think people are blaming Jada for something TWO MEN DID.
@@iamthechangemakerfor something one man did.
This mess was 100% scripted as everything in Hollywood is
The laughter in audiences like this annoy me enormously.
(Laughter) coined sitcomes are phoney.
I won't laugh unless it's funny.
Not because I'm a puppet.
Puppet's annoy me.
Chris getting slapped annoyed the hell out of me, and still does.
Allow me a minute to rant-
Too many people applaud him for "standing up for his wife." First of all, there are ways to defend your wife like a grown man. That wasn't one of them. Secondly, with everything Jada has done in that family, Chris was genuinely being nice. He could have been so much more savage. He wasn't. But you can bet your ass after that happened, every COMIC that saw that had something to say. And
Another issue that bothers me is that NO ONE GAVE A SHIT ABOUT CHRIS. Excuse me, but HE is the one who got HIT. And still maintained his composure, still went on with the show...
and no one cared. Everyone was giving Will hugs, and support, but not a damn thing for the person who got hit and threatened. Are you shitting me? I would say, oh the audience probably thinks it's part of the show...except for the fact that Will was yelling very seriously from his chair. Where was the support for Chris??
And yes. The hypocrisy of them being fine with Regina's joke...but not okay with Chris's joke. Make it make sense.
The whole thing was ridiculous. The fact that people are using Jada's alopecia as an excuse for Will hitting someone is ridiculous. There. is. no. excuse.
He should not have hit anyone.
You covered everything beautifully and hit a lot of different angles. Love your videos!
That whole situation just struck a nerve with me and defending Chris is the hill I will happily die on.
I remember when I first saw that happen last year and wondered why the couple simply did not just walk out of the building the same way people walk out of a theater if they feel offended by something.
As someone who is disabled and works in disability advocacy, the feeling that calling yourself disabled is 'disrespectful' is actually based on ableist perceptions of disability. There's this idea that you must meet a certain threshold of suffering to be considered 'actually disabled'. This is not true. It is based in the idea that disability is nothing but suffering, and is a product of classification systems developed to limit who has access to government funded disability support.
In addition, if you have a condition that is disabling in some way but don't identify as disabled, you are absolutely still experiencing all the downsides of ableism, but without access to the community, resources and language that can help you navigate the world as a disabled person.
There is no downsides to identifying as disabled if you have a condition that is disabling in any way. You're normalising disabled bodies and minds, and showing the complex spectrum of experiences within the community.
It's a very personal choice, but disability is not a bad word and the only bad thing about proudly owning that label is non-disabled peoples' discomfort with the word and the concept of disabled people and disability in general.
If you ever feel ready to take that leap, you will be welcomed by the community with open arms.
So happy to have read this comment!! I was trying to figure out how to best word mine. I have fibromyalgia and also most recently was diagnosed with POTS as well and when I got to the part where Swoop was talking about her own condition my heart sunk when she said she didn't identify as disabled because it would be disrespectful to people with disabilities even though it sounded evident she had a chronic illness. I remember going through that struggle and denying myself access to resources, thinking that I didn't deserve things like a cane or permanent handicap placard or using mobility vehicles in the store or at parks or dialing back work or extra help because they "weren't for me" and I struggled for so long. When you have invisible disabilities it's almost another battle to accept that not only are you actually truly disabled but that disability resources are for you and it's okay to accept the help--you're not stealing them from anyone, they're there for you too. Swoop, if you read this, I hope that you know that accepting it is extremely difficult because it feels like finally acknowledging that something is real and this may be the rest of your life (I don't know if this your experience, but saying it just in case it is and it's meaningful to you) but you'll find yourself in community and there's love and support here.
As a white female resident of South Carolina, I am ashamed of my state. So many of my friends and extended family (african-american) have been discriminated against since middle school (that i can remember) for their natural hair. I never understood it until I started educating myself. I'm a natural bleach blonde white girl who dyes my hair crazy colors. I worked in restaurants where my bright pink hair was fine, but my friends afro was "unsanitary" and "not professional". Its ridiculous. Your docs are so important in spreading education and awareness. I thank you for all you do
Half my family is black & they don’t like being called African American… just an fyi bcuz it doesn’t sound like you’re friends are educating you.
Just know you recognizing your privilege and trying to defend those who do not benefit from it is a wonderful thing
@@jenx818 your friends are not theirs. You can't speak for all black people.
@@jenx818 not all African Americans are offended by being called AA 🙄 come on
@@jenx818 I def understand what you're saying, I have family who are African American and have always told me it's more respectful ☺️ but everyone has their preferences for sure
I absolutely agree with you Swoop - the sentiment of “Love makes you do crazy things” is exactly the same as times the words “It’s just because I love you so much” or “I wouldn’t have done that if I didn’t love you so much” is used to make people believe that it is their fault that harm is done to them, because they “make/made” the violent person love them “so much”. Chris Rock was not slapped because Will Smith “loves” his wife so much, and Chris Rock deserved far more support, understanding, and respect AT THE TIME than he received.
I was worried at first that you were gonna blame Chris Rock and also not cover any of Jada’s wrong doings but I’m so happy with your take on this situation. It’s so fair and balanced and I agree with every word. Jada wasn’t at fault for the slap, but she definitely did play a role in the situation (egging Will on etc). This is a very well researched and unbiased video!
Aw, you know Swoop always has got it STRAIGHT!
My issue is that security didn't stop him or run on stage to get him. Chris Rock was not protected at work and that bothers me.
Coming here a year later and with jadas new book out, I’m fully convinced that slap at the Oscars was to get back at Chris rock. She had beef with him since she boycott that Oscar’s . He embarrassed her and reminded her who she was, just will smiths wife. It’s ironic that will was finally nominated and that night she got him banned. She fueled that fire in will.
I can’t even fathom how Chris felt sitting there after having been assaulted. Also seeing people around the world defending the person who assaulted him and saying he deserved it. 😔
You feel alone, hurt, then comes the hatred. You feel the rage course through you’re veins. It feels good while you’re bloods pumping, but then your adrenaline drops off and you feel like a husk. And you just go back to feeling alone. Except now you’re just empty.
It makes me really sad 😔 especially as another person w a disability that impedes social cues
ikr. I couldn't help feeling terrible for him during the standing ovation, too. He told a racist and tasteless joke; something that happens pretty regularly in Hollywood award shows, which in no way justified Will's response.
exactly! it's ridiculous. No one there stood up for Chris and then few minutes later many clapped for Will...what the actual F
@@clairepettie racist? GI Jane was white.
Thank you for saying that it is not a disability. As a disabled individual myself who can't even feed myself anymore, I would never let my family make a fool of themselves or act like he did. And I would not laugh at violence, like she did. That is wrong.
I saw mothers on social media saying the joke was offensive. True. But parents need to teach their children that the world will not always be kind, so sometimes you have to be the better person.
I related to the fact that he got to stay there after his actions. Years ago, Trump made a joke about a disabled journalist and it wasn't made a big deal, because only one was a rich, powerful guy. It's something I have experienced and that was glossed over. Discrimination is horrible.
Also, what protection?? It was not self-defense!
Before I was even diagnosed with my disorder my dad would just act a fool in front of doctors. I was so embarrassed when he would do it. Mainly because he wanted a magical cure and got mad that there wasn’t an answer or pill to take. When I was old enough, aka understood what was going on, I banned him from coming to doctors.
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I am disabled with health conditions as well, and if someone was mocking me publicly, and my partner jumped up to assault them instead of staying with me to check if I was okay, I would be pissed. Because then their response is about THEM and THEIR anger and how THEY perceive themselves as a protector, and not actually about whether or not I was hurt by what was said. A true protector stays with the person who is hurt and helps them heal, they don't leave them alone and confused while they go and get vengeance.
@@bernienelson8926 this is very well said my friend
When Denzel said “the devil comes for you” line I don’t think he was implying Chris is the that devil. He is saying that Will is allowing his own personal demons to take control and ruin him. It’s a very powerful sentiment. We get so high we forget that we aren’t invincible. We forget that everything can come crashing down in an instant. Or with one slap.
Yes, that is absolutely what Denzel meant. Nothing against Chris at all!
Of course he meant wills devil . You could see how unhappy and disappointed he was in smith
As a disabled dude, I wasnt too mad at abled folk who were saying the joke was ableist. Most abled refuse to accept that things like business with no elevators, typing/sitting jobs that list how you have to be able to lift 25 pounds independently, supporting eugenics, and saying the r slur are ableist.
It made me happy that they suddenly believed that you can actually discriminate against disabled ppl. Obviously they were wrong as alopecia is not a physical disability and it’s very obvious Rock did not mean it that way. But was a nice bridging point and I hope it made a lot of people realize what real ableism is.
Also, identify however you want but you could absolutely call yourself disabled if your disorder often interferes with your life. As long as someone with a more “minor” disability isn’t trying to speak for the whole community or claim that they have it worse than say those with cancer, full time paralysis, and other objectively more severe illness then it’s completely fine if they ID as disabled. I encourage it actually as it brings more light to such a shadowed topic.
When I was in 4th grade I had alopecia of some sort. It was caused by extreme stress and I had to put a medication on the spot and got bullied. I never shaved my hair or anything but I cried a lot every night. I felt ugly. People kept asking if I had cancer. If it was contagious. All in very mean ways. Chris rocks joke didn't effect ne
I feel like when people say it’s Jada’s fault, they say it in the sense that she’s abusive and has given Will self image issues, because Will has stated that the “entanglement”, along with Jada and Tupac’s relationship, made him feel like he wasn’t enough for her. So when he saw that Jada was displeased or upset at Chris’ joke, he felt the need to prove himself worthy by, in a way, defending her. She didn’t command him or make him do it, but he felt like he had to do it FOR her. I agree that they shouldn’t blame her for HIS OWN actions, but I wanted to explain why people thought she “forced” him to do it.
Lol, he is a grown man!! If he thinks he needs to impress people by being violent, that's on him! What do people not get about that? Why is everyone constantly trying to blame women for everything??
Yes there’s plenty of video evidence of her insulting him, belittling him and gaslighting/minimizing her verbal abuse and manipulative behavior. For example when he asks her to not randomly start recording him and she completely ignores his concerns, laughing at him and insulting him
@@ajgjngfthyfbk7564 she didn't say it was Jada's fault. She was explaining Will's own self doubt about his manliness and wish to impress his wife as to why it's "Jada's" fault. But she clearly knows it's not Jada's fault, it's Will's fault alone. Hopefully, with some time and counseling, he will heal and feel more confident in himself.
@@calliew311 thank you, couldn’t have said it better myself :)
I don't doubt Chris Rock is a thoughtful dude. His reaction to that slap was genuinely classy.
I think it's too simplistic to say only "Jada's shaved head makes her feel empowered" or "It makes her feel bad." It can be both, on different days and at different times. It's very different when you are the one brining up the topic and talking about it, and when someone else uses it as a quick joke.
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What? Again, what was so insulting about that joke? GI Jane? Seriously
I agree. I like I can talk about and even joke with friends about my insecurities and how I want to become stronger and love myself because of them but it would still hurt to have another person, especially someone I know and at one point I cared about and allegedly cared about me make a joke about it, not even touching on the fact that it was in public, on live broadcast and the weird relationship dynamics. I’m not saying this justifies anyone’s actions here but it really pissed me off when ppl where saying that Jada posted a video about loving herself and her shaved head (which she shaved do to a medical condition) and saying she had no right to be upset at someone else joking about it at her expense! If anything I feel like the video shows that she has previously struggled with it and the road to self love against something like that is not a straight line!
this is hands down the best video i've seen covering this situation! you are in the position to personally understand so many of the issues at play here and as always you gave an insightful perspective that gave room to have every person's side heard. i really appreciated that you went into chris rock's struggles as a kid and gave him the compassion that so few people did. i was in the camp of feeling like chris rock was vilified to an extreme that didn't match the joke he told. i didn't know jada had alopecia, i didn't even give it a thought bc she looked beautiful bald. to me the joke was consistent with the jokes that celebrities always have to smile and nod along with at award shows. there was so much discussion about whether chris deserved it for telling that joke which i found kinda horrifying, who deserves to be assaulted on stage at the oscars?? anyways, i didn't know able chris' childhood trauma and i was so glad that you talked about it. i appreciate that you always call out double standards when you see them. talking about how bald men are constantly the butt of jokes was something i hadn't even thought about in this context. great job as usual swoop!!
I'm gonna say it, I had watery eyes for Chris hearing his background story. There is no excuse for what happened to him.
I have to disagree with the whole "Jada had no control over him" thing. Men can be abused by women too. And someone who's afraid of what will happen when they get home would be manipulated to do things. I'm not saying this is 100% the case with this couple. But abusive partners make you do sometimes 🤷♀️
Well of course jada didn’t tell Will to slap him outright. However, when she has so little regard for Will in the first place, he may be trying desperately to receive any positive affirmation. Or maybe when he gets home with her, she will go on about him not doing anything to defend her if he hadn’t. I think people don’t understand what kind of mental state you have to be in to do something like that. And may not understand, that Will could very well be emotionally abused.
THIS!!
@@13bigbangtheory This!
Oh, 100%. The fact that she snapped so harshly when he tried to do his best for her birthday says a lot. The fact that she doesn't know how to leave the past in the past, respectfully. Her overall energy is just... no. As a person who's been through 2 abusive relationships, a part of me feels for Will.
I understand what you’re saying and I agree but I think was Swoop was trying to get at here is that even if you’re in an abusive relationship, we’re all responsible for our own actions. It’s sad and fucked up but think about it, if the person you’re in a relationship with kills someone and asks you bury the body with them, you’re now an accomplice and you will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. It doesn’t matter if you were manipulated to commit the crime. You might get a lighter sentence for being cooperative and giving info but at the end of the day, you will be held accountable and we are all responsible for our own actions. We can’t blame others for the choices we made as messed up as it is.
you changed my mind on this. you’ve made me realize that my normalization of violence comes from a place of hurt, and i have to say, i learned so much from this. thank you for putting energy to educate and express your opinion in such an eloquent and understanding way.
As a father of a 10 year old son who aspires to be an actor it was very hard for me to explain why one of his hero's went up and slapped somebody. I had to turn the TV off and explain to him that grown ass adult men don't restore to violence to resolve an issue. I am glad he did not witness this same man receiving a standing ovation and an award after assaulting another man. Now I'm dealing with all this gun violence and a son that at 10 years old is asking for a gun...we as a society are absolutely failing our children!
Thank you for having that conversation with your child! It’s not an easy one to have but we will have dads like you to thank for the next generation of boys who become well adjusted men due to conversation like this!
Uh, well. I mean..yeah but they won't. Not for awhile. Pity honestly but anyway what you said is true. Men or ANYONE shouldn't need to resort to violence to solve ANYTHING. And it's not like he was 100% in my opinion, right in the head about it. Jada has or had manipulated him, something over time has this man I'm pretty sure fucked up and he acted out without THINKING. 😮💨 shit happens. But let's hope he gets the help he deserves and needs and breaks away from her grip.
a husband should defend his wife. end of story. whether it's slapping a dude or saying something, they should defend their wives. I don't blame him
@@noname-gh1vr While I agree a husband should defend his wife there are other ways of settling an argument other than violence and as a black man I will not allow my son, at least until he's 18, to perpetuate the angry black man stereotype. I will teach him that a man above all else should rely on his mind rather than his fists, granted, there are occasions when nothing else will work (which is why I have my 10 year old taking Martial Arts classes). but this should be a last resort and not the norm as is perpetuated in our society today, which was my point. Really, on national television he acts this way? Of all places, Mr. Smith your actions embarrassed me! I will continue to raise a son that is educated, is able to think on his feet, and has a healthy respect for both men and women.
@@erickerry3368 I can totally agree with that. I wasn't exactly trying to defend the slap itself, but rather him confronting him in general.0
This one I gotta disagree with you. She has him mentally trapped he knew what price there would be to pay if he did not do something. No different than a woman defending and fighting to police trying to arrest the guy who just beat her. She knows if she doesn’t when the police leave it would be worse. Jada is manipulative and highly deflective of taking actually responsibility for anything. Always ready with the bs spin to make others accountable. Will is whipped and at this point of his life realizing he has lost decades. He either has to double down or leave. Chris’ joke was maybe insensitive but a complement and if you know Chris you know that’s what meant. She chose to play a victim when it worked for her. Also anyone else peep that Jada is not bald, she has chosen to shave her head. She is bald by choice at this point!!! And prob for attention…again MANIPULATIVE!!!!
Chris did not deserve to be assaulted. Where were the security guards? Even a year later it is still shocking.
The only thing I wish you had talked about: The absurd takes from certain white celebrities, like Judd Appatow saying "Chris almost DIED he could have KILLED him" or Amy Schumer saying it was the most traumatic violent moment of her life and she was terrified (and then went on to make a joke about Alec Baldwin accidentally killing someone on set). That was just an absurd response and I do think that the conversation around race was necessary around all of these white celebrities feigning that they just witnessed a mass shooting from that slap.
……. Both of those ppl are comedians .. well one makes comedy… one is a comedian. They’re being facetious babe. They were not being serious. Some ppl use humor to try to make sense of tense situations… some ppl don’t pick up on it. But all in all neither one of them was being literal.
oh my god. i’m so embarrassed to be half white. i have no words
Don’t Look Up is the name of a movie? More like don’t look down the barrel of Alec Baldwin’s shotgun.” She then added: “I wasn’t allowed to say any of that [at the Oscars], but you can just come up and [slap] someone.”
Amy Schumer making a joke about a recent accidental tragedy it's f****** disgusting. Someone lost their life. But a grown man slapping a grown man is traumatizing lol but making a joke about a woman who was recently killed isn't. She's jealous that Will Smith stole the spotlight. I can't f****** stand her.
@@KreatureKennedy I genuine admire your hope in people but as an ~~irish~~ where humour is entirely the type you are explaining the two references I made were definitely deadly serious, look them up and some others. Wanted him locked up. Amy Schumer in particular was very prominent in the media about how experiencing it was one of the "more traumatic things in her life." I would love it if they were joking but they really were not and those are just two examples, you should rly look it up if you don't believe extremely privileged humans can be that out of touch with reality you'll find a good two dozen of them there that night who tweeted it immediately. also... god. being wrong and still callin me "babe" is a nightmare scenario, don't do that to people, it's patronising and annoying
@@Zzz2x why?
It's always pissed me off how people shit so much on black women's hair. I'm a white woman with very similar hair, same tight curls just red, and people fawn over that shit and talk about how jealous they are. Then a black woman can have the same hair same cut and be called out for it, it's such bullshit.
The slap was wrong but this was two men dealing with childhood trauma Will Smith wrote about the abuse of his mother and how he could do nothing to protect her, while Chris Rock with his bullying spurred on his comedy. But when I looked up Chris Rocks past comedy performances I noticed a common thread of misogynoir and the Jada obsession goes back to the 90's when she was heavily involved in black politics . This whole thing could have been avoided if Chris put aside his 25 year back and forth with Jada. Chris Rock is definitely a graduate of the Petty University. There are no heroes here.
Exactly!
Extremely late to the party here - I just started watching your channel and love it! I’m confused about one thing with this situation - am I the only person on the planet who saw Chris Rock’s DOCUMENTARY about black hair trauma and issues??
He made a literal documentary diving into how harmful societal expectations can be not only emotionally, but physically damaging.
He’s the last person who would tease a black girl about damaged hair follicles.
Thank you for this. It's SO frickin refreshing to hear someone review all possible perspectives in a situation. Reviewing situations objectively seems to rarely happen, so I just wanted to pop in to say that you're great, and I appreciate you!! 🙏
Yes
Black and white thinking does not belong in the True Crime Community.
Do I think Jada “forced” Will to slap Chris? No. Do I think she’s completely stripped his “manhood” from him and embarrassed him publicly? Yes. Do I think that continuous public embarrassment has caused Will a lot of mental distress… even enough to feel like he needed to hit Chris to prove he’s a “man”? Yep. Sure do. Is it right? No, but do I think it’s potentially partly Jada’s fault? Yes I do.
Yea, I don’t know if I would go as far as to say it’s Jada’s fault, but I do think her treatment of Will and the public backlash has really taken a big toll on him. So I do think she plays a part in why he chose to react the way he did. I still think Will is wrong and that he is responsible for his actions, but Jada has contributed to the situation.
@@jess34 exactly this I just didn’t express my thoughts as clearly. She 100% contributed to a lot of Will’s mental instability and emotional distress leading up to this event. It is never okay to physically harm someone but emotional abuse is also extremely damaging. There were two victims on that stage.
@@8wheelsandasmile522 I think your comment was plenty clear 😊 too many people look at the situation in black and white, but there’s a lot of grey areas. Chris’s joke was in poor taste and probably shouldn’t have been told. Will shouldn’t have resorted to violence to handle the situation. At the same time, Chris is a victim of violence and Will of (likely) psychological abuse and public mockery.
He knew, if something didn't happen, he's getting it. And even not being able to say it quietly to Chris behind the scenes, seems like no longer an option either
As someone who lives abroad, the fact that black women get discriminated against for their natural hair is MIND BOGGLING to me. How is it anyone else’s business what shape or colour or texture someone else’s hair is?
Don’t let them lie to you. Black women, white women, Asian women, Latina women all get made fun of the same. This victim mentality and man hate sht is so disgusting
@@mackdaddypeypey1 thank you! People are making this out to be a racist thing. Everyone involved was black. The original GI Jane was white. I feel like I'm in an alt universe. I'm just reading some comments I'm certainly not going to watch the video!
They are not stigmatized they have about 50 different weaves that they want to wear. They may be stigmatized within their own community? Unless you're Colin Kaepernick nobody needs that hair, it's just worn as a big f you.
@@jlina I stopped watching 15min in. The bias and men hate was just too much for me. Especially considering she doesn’t even consider jada responsible 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️. When the whole damn thing was made possible by jadas actions towards will
@mara yeager. You proved my point and you didn’t even realize it, I said that y’all are not victims which y’all are not😂. I said y’all don’t get any more crap than any other women and that is true. I am a black man living in Georgia so I would most certainly know 👌🏾
This was not the first time there was violence at award show. In the 60’s John Wayne attempted to physically assault a native woman who was there to call the industry out for the portrayals of First Nations in film.
I really enjoy your channel but to say that black women care more about their hair than white women or Latin women or Asian women etc... come on!!! I think ALL women would have trouble coping when force to shave their head from a situation out of there control. I mean no disrespect but For someone who claims to be all about racial equality you seem very vocus on race, Like subtlety dismissing the comments made by Demi Moore’s stylist because Him and Demi Moore are white. Maybe I’m wrong and ignorant because I a man who happens to be white. Let me know
I'll admit, this doc did change my mind: as someone who is chronically ill/disabled with an invisible illness and have gotten snide remarks and jokes at my expense when I've been in massive amounts of pain or struggling just to function. It's very tiring, belittling, and frustrating having to defend yourself when you're in such a moment of weakness.
Hearing the joke and seeing Jada's reaction sent me back to a time where I was in college and I was only going from the second floor to the first floor but because of my joints, I cannot use stairs in the slightest, my joints will lock up entirely and it's not only painful but I risk injuring myself by falling forward because I cannot physically move my knees because they're locked up. I just so happened to get into the elevator when a class was getting out so it was really crowded, I was tired and having a bad day with no spoons so I got in and a girl next to me who I've NEVER seen before made a loud, snide remark by saying: "You know stairs are a thing, right?" and while shocked and humiliated I had to loudly admit to the whole elevator of strangers but I'm physically disabled and can't use stairs because it's painful and makes my knees lock up. Said stranger realizing she fucked up bad, proceeded to make a joke about it while I had to smile and ignore it.
The slap in a way put me right back in that place, the feeling of anger and shame is really powerful especially when it happens a lot. I was in the camp that Chris deserved it for making an admittedly fucked up joke about something that while Jada has been outspoken about 'not caring' I'm sure is still sensitive about and pretending not to be to look inspirational as well as to cope herself. But frankly, it seems like it was a terrible joke he didn't think through and there wasn't any intentional malice behind it. I know my boyfriend wasn't a fan of the slap and when I said he deserved it for making a joke like that he brought up it could have been handled by yelling at him to which I agreed but seeing this doc really did make me step out of my OWN personal bias and realize there was no need for a slap.
Chris shouldn't have made the joke, it was rude and insensitive, but he in no way deserved the violence that he got. I fully realize that now and I'm upset my own bias made me blame the victim of assault over a shitty joke. I really hope he's able to heal from this and that people will realize that he didn't deserve violence.
Honestly? She had a shaved head in a green dress (like army fatigues) and that was where I (a woman with hair thinning since my 20s and in 36 now) took it. I didn't know she has alopecia, it's thr kind that her hair grows back (if I understood Swoop's doc), and she keeps publicly going SURE DO LOVE MY NEW HAIRCUT.
Was it tacky? Probably. Was it ableism? No. Even if it was, never deserved violence.
I really enjoyed reading this reflection dear
@@jeishiikanzaki Oh yeah I had never seen her newer public videos of her saying she loved her haircut; the only things I had seen prior was how difficult having alopecia was and that it was really rough on her self esteem.
Again I do fully agree there was no reason for violence, it was my own personal bias of having tacky and rude jokes thrown my way because of my condition that made it hard for me to be anything but pissed off.
I also only assumed it was ableism because I am not someone who dictates what is debilitating for someone and what isn't a lot like Swoop. A lot of people were saying it was ablest because alopecia was a chronic illness and that mocking it was indeed ablest. Now that was also Twitter so whose to say how many of those people actually had alopecia as it seems the alopecia community from Swoop's doc do not believe it's disability or chronic illness in any way.
@Nikki To be fair it still obviously didn't land for her and was probably irritating regardless, I even said I don't think he was being malicious and it was just insensitive. Not every joke has to be malicious to hurt someone's feelings. Again I left my comment to show that Swoop's doc really did change my mind but also allowed me to reflect as someone who is chronically ill and have had really insensitive jokes thrown my way about my condition. It was a bias that didn't allow me to fully see the situation wasn't nearly as bad as a lot of people were making it out to be.
@@Raya-ir4tm You don't always have to say things about someone's condition in order for it to mock or belittle their condition, even if it's unintentional. For example: telling someone thin in a suit they could play Jack Skellington because they're so thin seems honestly innocent on the surface but if that person has a condition that makes it hard for them to eat or are so sick they don't keep food down, it becomes harmful.
I don't think Chris meant any harm honestly, but it was insensitive even if he meant it as funny or uplifting and you can tell due to Jada's reaction it didn't land the way he thought it did. Also in the doc there is an interview clip where Jada says her hairline was already receding due to the alopecia so she decided to shave it off.
“Will Smith shouldn’t be canceled for ONE mistake.” It isn’t the mistake, but the actions after that determines the character of a person. Smith did not tale himself out of the Oscars, he apologized to everyone but Rock, and every apology after was very PR. On another hand, Rock did not hit back, did not say any low blow jokes, he professionally finish the his job, and he apologized to the hosts for taking away their moment. Later on, in his Boston show, where he could easily been supported to verbally dress down the Smith’s, he refused to speak on the matter because he was still processing what happened. All that versus a man who says he was a vessel of love. One man has done work internally and another will hopefully find professional help. As a person who enjoyed Smith’s work, I hope that he finds help and turns away from the PR machine.
some people just lack empathy!!! we all do mistakes and we should allow people to regret and give them the benefit of the doubt. you guys are even more mad than chris.
And turn away from Jada. Tbh. Like why have her around in ur life Jesus. 🙄 she fucked cheated on him or whatever just move on
@@fup723 Personally, these events are just paused me seeing Smith’s work. I will check how he is in a few years and that’s it. However the situation has revealed a new side and depth to Chris Rock. Rock isn’t my type of humor but I highly respect his discipline and the work he has done for past trauma. It’s like Taylor Swift, her music doesn’t speak to me but I can respect the discussions she raises for equality of women.
@@fup723 ok, and we will when Will has some empathy for Chris Rock. The last we heard, Will said he apologized to Chris, but Chris said that wasn't true. I don't think the OG commenter said anything wrong. She gave Chris props and hopes Will gets help. What's wrong with that?!
Will's acceptance speech after listening to 7 days of the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial really especially triggered me. No, no, no, no, no, no, NO! Love does not have you out here physically and verbally assaulting another person. Just no.
Best commentary I have heard on this subject! Just found you and I appreciate your discussions and will be listening to what you have to say.
As a person with an autoimmune disease that *very* visibly affects my hair and skin myself, I know how uncomfortable it is when someone points it out in front of people in public. It’s happened to me many times. But I would *NEVER* either consider myself disabled or find it appropriate to dismiss violence on my behalf due to commentary about how crazy I look sometimes. My close friends have even said things to my face that hurt my feelings, but it was before they understood the full extent of what I was dealing with, and I understood that. It seems incredibly ego-centric to me to assume that Chris should’ve been keeping tabs on Jada and been aware ahead of time. I think it’s extremely likely that he had zero idea, and thought that he was making a lighthearted quip. It’s horrific to me to watch someone being abused AT THEIR JOB. That’s something that I feel a lot of people have just glossed over. This was a *work* event for *all* of them. It’s so unbelievable to me that it was handled in this manner during a job-related function. This whole situation is just so disappointing…. Hurt feelings over words are never an excuse for physical violence against another person, much less at a public work event instead of privately afterward. And diseases, no matter how traumatic, should never cause someone to lash out in violence against another person whether they did or did not know about the condition. This was wholly inappropriate, even though I feel Jada’s pain on a personal level.
So well said. So so true.
I know what you are saying and agree with you, However, I do not believe that Jada ever had alopecia. Whenever you see her lips moving, you know she is lying and wouldn't hesitate to use other people's pain for her own ends.
This was an incredibly insightful video. It made me reconsider my whole perspective of the entire event. The details regarding Chris Rock's childhood made the event especially disturbing upon further reflection. I was physically and emotionally abused as a child, and now I realize the ramifications that will effect Chris Rock for either a very long time, or perhaps the rest of his life. Perhaps, after growing up in an environment where the immediate response to something (or someone) angering you was to physically and emotionally abuse it or them, violence had by definition become normalized for me to where I didn't notice it when it occurred right in front of me. It also occurs to me now that, regardless of someone's past trauma, abuse victim or not, violence was not an acceptable response. Someone should not have to be an abuse survivor to not be struck. The situation should've been handled privately, especially considering the other amazing accomplishments of the other people in attendance were overshadowed and now essentially ignored. The comparison of what would've happened if it had been a woman on that stage insulting Jada immediately revealed to me my own personal biases on when violence is acceptable and when it is not. It's clear that the nuances of the event were lost both on myself and on social media in general. I will take care in the future to examine events more critically and thoughtfully instead of taking the easy route and viewing such a display of violence to be a quick and simple solution to an event that stirs emotion. I hope others, after this video, will do the same. Thank you for making this incredible video.
I only just found you yesterday but I'm really glad to see you winning awards, because your work is phenomenal :)
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I know im very late but hearing that Chris has the same learning disability as i do made me tear up a bit. Its not as well studied and most people have never heard of it. It can feel veey isolating dealing with it. I feel for Chris, especially in regards to reading body language. Just a person walking up to you (even in a non aggressive way) can be extremely stressful because you cant read them. The other person is expecting things from you that you dont understand and can't reciprocate. Usually, nothing bad happens. But i can't imagine the stress of trying to read Wills body language, being unable to, and then being assaulted.
I dont want to presume too much. Everyones experience with learning disabilities is different (and i have autism added onto it, so my experience may be different)
But that revelation really struck a cord with me. Very good documentary. I wish i could have found it sooner.
I shaved my head for charity in 2017. It was, honestly, one of the hardest things I’ve ever done. As a woman, we have a lot of importance placed on our hair (it’s not place to speak to the added level of a black woman’s experience with her hair as well), and not having hair was confronting for me. I hated it and I called my friend more than once crying about how bad I felt about my appearance while it was growing back.
I don’t speak for how Jada feels, but I at least made the choice to do it and knew my hair would grow back. To be essentially forced into that position would be very hard, I imagine. 😔
I agree on how important it is. You are also really something to cut your hair so drastically for charity!! Somehow hair length is tied to feminity. In high school I cut my hair to chin length and an ex friend called me androgynous or guy like (German word, hard to translate) and somehow because of this and other experiences I have struggled ever since to feel like a desirable woman when I don't like stereotypically feminine (and even when, I would only passing)
@@carag3921 It was a really great cause, but I wasn’t prepared for the emotional sacrifice I was making by doing it because it’s not just that one day, it’s years of growing it back after the day you shave your head.
Oh man, it’s so awful how things can just stick in your head like that. The importance that society in general places on women to meet a certain standard of femininity really is terrible. I hope you know now that you’re worthy and beautiful no matter what. 💗
As a person with several physical disabilities, I can honestly say that if what you have limits you in day to day activities, wears you down faster and there is no medical way to change your condition, i.e medication or diet, it is most definitely a disability. You are being hampered from functioning normally. As someone who also has hypothyroidism, which also causes hair loss, I am not losing my hair because I am well medicated. I would not say that hair loss is a disability because in many ways it can be prevented or remedied (using treatment or wigs/extensions). You don't need head hair to function. You can walk, and it is unlikely to cause you pain. I don't think that Chris Rocks joke was ableist, because Jada has conquered her disorder. Was it tactless? Perhaps, but it is not the worst joke we've ever heard. Will Smith's actions were his own. There are probably some serious psychological issues going on in his head that flamed his actions, and he will probably have to endure future behavior modification therapy. He is probably in a very dark place right now and we should all have pity for him. Chris Rock responded to the assault with more grace than anyone could have expected from someone in that position. This is actually a very sad situation and the majority of the tongues wagging are only going to make this worse. It really is a reflection of how badly our society is spiralling out of control. Thank you for putting your heart and soul into these docs, Swoop. You really are a blue haired angel with a fabulous sense of style, grace and Kitties we all wanna steal through the screen!
I would even argue like. Even if medications affect it, it's still a disability. Anxiety and depression can, for some, be helped with medication, and they're still disabilities. Any medical or mental condition that makes life more difficult physically and/or socially is a disability. Many are considered life long, but that doesn't mean they all are. But yes, I'd agree as another who has several disabilities, most invisible. I'd also argue that swoop is fully in the right to call herself disabled if she wants to. Not saying she has to, but.
@@humphrkeSwoop is disabled? Can you explain please?
@@queenmarie8291 she states in this video and others that she suffers from chronic pain that comes from fibromyalgia, and one of her chronic conditions has lead to dislocation of the ribs and left her with temporary limited mobility. Plus she's talked about her trauma on here multiple times, which while I can't recall if she's outright stated it, it would not be surprising if this has caused PTSD. These things would make someone disabled. We have to experience the world in a way that makes things just a little bit harder, physically, mentally, or socially. We do not operate in the world in a way that society might expect us to, and any attempt to do so without proper accomodations causes physical or mental harm either immediately or over time. This is disability
Swoop. Please please please look further into "aspergers syndrome" and where the diagnosis came from. Hearing you use the term had my heart drop completely...
I think EVERYONE laughed out of awkwardness and discomfort. Same reasons Chris went to a joke instead of defensiveness. A lot of people use humor when they don't know what to do or say
I only recently found Swoop and have been binge watching her docs ❤️❤️ One perspective that I learned about on TikTok from black women creators is that Chris Rock has been problematic for a long time and that his issues have been swept under the rug. No one talks about him being accused of 🍇 in the 90’s and how he hired an FBI-watchlist-level fixer to destroy the woman’s life and reputation. There are leaked phones calls between Chris Rock and the fixer that prove everything. I really wish this was talked about more but it was pre-social media/internet everything.
Please make a doc about the Smith‘s marriage and their connections to Scientology. Would love to see it!
Hey by the way you’re allowed to call yourself disabled. We actually welcome it. More people are disabled than claim to be and we all desperately need to be normalized as well as to receive actual support from people + governments.
If I was the Williams sisters, I would be embarrassed/horrified that the man portraying my dead father slapped another man at an award show which celebrated the film about my father. The level of disrespect is phenomenal
Richard Williams is 80 years old and made an announcement that he is against violence. He said that Will should have not slapped Chris.
Dead father😲?? The man is still alive
@@Blakpepa I was so stupid for this. For some reason, I just assumed. My fault.
I would love you to cover Will and Jada’s relationship! Love your work! I just stumbled upon your videos last night and I’m binging your channel now. Thanks for all you do.
I am so incredibly disturbed that there is still discrimination against someone's natural hair. If this occurs in your workplace speak up!!!
There isn't any
I have always felt Will Smith was wrong, however watching this Swoop Doc has made me have even more compassion for the victim (Chris Rock) in this case.
It sucks that a place and something he feels comfortable and most himself in has been so tainted (especially with his traumatic childhood being people's 'punching bag' and now this)
It still stands that there are other ways Will could've let his feelings be known. The joke was SAID so he could have also retaliated with words.
Thank you once again for the thorough and informative video that wasn't just screaming/ranting in favour of assault.
I just want to interject one thing please don't be dismissive about disabilities. There is a board of highly educated professionals who have to make painstaking decisions every year about what it means to be disabled, no disrespect to your Opinion, but as person who worked in social services for a long time I have learned that disability far surpasses scope of limited physical mobility, there is a whole spectrum involving skin disorders, mental disorders, nervous disorders, immune disorders, etc when it comes to disablednes and the list goes on. In respect to all those who suffer illnesses and disorders that disrupt their lives and abilities to function normally let's be kind, and never dismissive.
While I do think she left a reasonable olive branch recognizing how conditions like alopecia can cause mental anguish that's worth it's own nuanced discussion. (Definitely made me reflect more on the layers to this situation.)
I do agree with you though. Secondary mental illness (as in stuff like depression/etc. caused or triggered by a disability or "disfigurement") is still something that requires it's own support and needs. Especially given that the line between brain and body health is often really blurry.
Not everyone is immediately going to jump into radical acceptance for their lot (with any condition, including the more "cosmetic" stuff).
(I'm not necessary meaning one has to be a Pollyanna about it - but it can take time to adjust to a New Normal. To be evenhanded about one's reality. Hell, this self-image stuff often can fluctuate just as easily as many other disabilities can. Good and bad days happen - and the bad days really do indicate why they /can/ still be considered a disability. If one so determines.)
I don't think she was being dismissive at all. She was very clear that medical professionals and even groups for sufferers of alopecia acknowledged it is NOT a disability BUT can cause OTHER things like mental anguish or be RELATED to other (hidden) disabilities like autoimmune disorders. She herself has hidden disabilities.
Alopecia is itself not a disability but the mental anguish it can cause is not something that should be disregarded either. I don't think Swoop was saying to disregard any of it.
@@ArtFreak17 I know she was trying to be PC about the condition, but it came across to me as glossed over and a bit insincere, but that is how I personally felt others may have felt differently, and to be fair when things don't affect SOME people personally and/or they have no knowledge about something it's hard to be invested or understand the full scope of what is involved. The point I'm trying to make is disability is a very fluid concept, Alopecia may not be on the list now but next year it could be. And if a person can prove the condition is life altering enough and affecting their ability to work, mental health or is happening in conjunction with other limiting conditions/diseases they CAN be approved as disabled, disability is more than just this ever evolving list, thank goodness. Person A maybe be able to live with Alopecia, but But person B may become suicidal. Every person internalizes trials differently, copes differently, etc, I just don't want people on the receiving end of this info to think "Oh it's just a hair condition it's not life threatening" when we truthfully still don't know that because anyone who has this condition will tell you after a handful of treatment options you hit a wall because the science hasn't caught up to the disease AND any condition or disease that can upset one of the primary functions of the human body's largest Organ (skin) usually means something else is very wrong whether it be internal or external. The trauma/ emotional effects are far reaching and range vastly on an individual basis. But some people do look at external conditions/disease and think it's not that big of a deal, when for many affected this can literally be life altering. That's all I'm advocating for, it's not a personal attack just a heads up this may come off as dismissive to some people, and they are probably going through it.
@@millennialx9044 Oh yeah, I'm definitely on the same page there. Didn't read it as an attack, on my end. (Just used that notion as branching off point.)
Disability is a wide-as-hell spectrum and isn't served well by trying to rank people on what seems worse/better. Just that the thing in common for all in that sphere of experience - is that they may require specific resources and support for their own quality of life and personal dignity to be nurtured.
(Also, skin stuff does hit home, if manageable/mild in my case. I have some probs with eczema. And bad days can be a bit over-stimulating from the stinging/itching. More as a fork on top of other things in the plate, than in isolation.)
the fact that we have incredibly talented human beings like you, Swoop, who are consistently making professional, high-quality documentaries for our consumption is blowing my mind. we are lucky, and you are AWESOME.
I know I’m late to the party, but I would love a video breaking down the possible psychology of Jada and Wills relationship.
Can’t wait for the follow up on this one! 😮
I've honestly been avoiding any videos and social media posts about this topic because I was done with everyone's uninformed and extremely biased opinions on this. But your docs always present an angle that mostly no one is talking about, and I learned so much more about the nuances of this topic and about the Williams and Chris than I knew before this event happened. Thank you so much for this informed docs. and honestly, no one wins. I just think about the ramifications that the children of each party with have to deal with.
I'm not saying whether you have to classify yourself as disabled or not, but I do take issue with you saying that calling yourself disabled could be "disrespectful" to people with "actual" disabilities. That kind of rhetoric made it incredibly difficult to admit to myself that I was disabled and led to me denying myself access to resources that would actually help me. Accessibility and disability justice are not finite resources, and to guise this thinking as respect for disabled people is actually harmful to all of us.
Sorry but jada is abusive…it’s not just men… a lot of women agree that she is toxic af…and WILL NEEDS TO BE SAVED..just bc he is a “man”… he can be emotional and soft…
HE'S NOT AN IMPRESSIONABLE TEENAGER. Yes, he makes these choices because of Jada. They were still *HIS* choices. He had all the time sitting in his chair and going up on stage to have second thoughts, and he had no second thought.
Stop infantilizing men.
People, especially women, use laughter as a diffusion technique. I don’t think Jada was laughing at Will hitting Chris, I think she was feeling extremely awkward and was laughing at Chris’ response to being hit as a somewhat automatic attempt to de-escalate the situation. Think about a time you have laughed in a situation you found intimidating or tense, despite nothing being funny. That’s my take anyway! Great video 😊
Hi Swoop. I appreciate your thorough research, but i think it's a little bit too close to home for you and hinder your objectivity.
I agree with your assesment for the most part with the exception of minimizing the Jada part.
Will Smith of course bear the ultimate responsibility, it is his decision, he is a grown man.
But to pretend Jada (re)action and dynamic relationship between them didn't play any part into the decision making of the slap is a disingenious, it's obviously play part, we all see the roll eye, and how before that both of them laughing on the joke.
Also, i get it making joke about black woman hair is insensitive, but don't forget the very important context. This is in professional setting, not a random person making a joke in bar, But on a show where comedian doing their suppose job, which is.... comedy, and making fun of everyone, especially to those actor/actress who have the privilege to be above everyone, receive praise and awards in those event.
It's the exact opportunity to "humble and humanize" them, to laugh at their expenses!
Are we going to scrutinize every joke and interview/ask what medical condition someone have before making a joke about them, c'mon.
Heck. The joke is even very very mild, if not empowering...
Ricky Gervais obliterate people's in Golden Globes, calling Martin Scorsese short, James Cordon fat p$$$y, etc.... He's killing everyone. Jada's joke is very mild...
I get it that hair joke maybe insensitive to black woman, but surely you're not advocating that black women can't take a joke? In an expected setting nonetheless.
I know this may sound controversial but no matter how you feel about the slap, you have to take into consideration people who have done much worse than what Smith did, such as Polanski, Sean Penn & Casey Affleck who got to keep their awards and face little to no consequences. Maybe race is an issue here
Edit: the "you" doesn't go out only to Swoop but to everyone reading this comment. Because I've been seeing many people who believe that the Oscars should make Will hang his Oscar back
Race is definitely an issue here. Along with the fact that Will Smith has never acted out in this way before and people are acting like he went on stage and attempted to "unalive" Chris Rock.
Yeah I saw she missed points like that in this doc. I might be reaching too far, but I also feel as though her connection to Chris skewed at least some of her points. There were many points brought up about how Chris is not new to making fun of black women either and I wish that was brought up more. There are so many variables and moving parts though, especially since she brought up some important points that I've never heard of, so I see how those points may have been overlooked I guess.
@@mayailianna what connection?
As a victim of domestic abuse from a partner I found his speech very triggering .the tears he cried just put me off I couldn’t even watch his speech to the end. He could have protected jada in so many ways outside of violence
the tears are a way abusers try and reverse the role of the abuser and victim
that speech was disgusting. I don't remember a single word from it; it was the poor me shit that has me have second hand embarrassment
what we call cringe today.
I'm surprised I haven't heard the word being used in relation to that night!
I don’t think he was protecting her so much as himself. Jada is toxic and a serial cheater. She is not a victim. He has to tell her that she needs his consent to stick a camera in his face in his own home and won’t stop and he has to go lock himself away. If you have watched her talk program-she is using her children snd husband for views and clout. Period. Don’t cry for her.
So back to Will: he was ridiculed and made fun of because his wife sees a line of other men. He kept trying. I think he just snapped.
It feels like we might be getting a little too caught up on the semantics here. Over-analysis like this is the death of comedy. That was not an offensive joke and even if it were offensive, that doesn't give you the right to assault someone. Period. End of story. Will Smith needs to grow up. I wish my biggest problem was being compared to a gorgeous bad-ass like GI Jane (aka Demi Moore).
All of that said, shame on the Oscars for not immediately throwing Will Smith out.
Chris Rock teased Jada Pinkett-Smith because she boycotted the Oscars previously. He would have made a joke about her just for being there.
Ur analyses r so insightful and cover points I never considered. Luv ur channel! ❤
When you talked about the whole 'identifying as disabled' being a difficult thing to call yourself...oof, I felt called out. 'Cos I technically have several disabling conditions, but I struggle ever saying I'm disabled, just..got some issues. And that's just the physical conditions. My mom CONSTANTLY says she's not disabled, and question her own fibromyalgia 'cos she's not "sick enough" in her own mind. But then, something happens, like the cold weather returns or she's pushed herself, and she's reminded of her condition. Or like myself, where I suddenly ended up limping and struggling to walk by walking down a STAIRCASE, and having no recourse to ease my pain. I feel like a lot of us who struggle with chronic illnesses tend to undermine our own pain, where we tell ourselves we don't "have it bad enough", always forgetting when we're actually in pain. If you feel like your pain and your illness is disabling, even if not at Every Moment, you are allowed to call yourself disabled. But it's YOUR choice, and you shouldn't feel ashamed about what that is.
Also oof, hope you experience less of the rib issue! I just have a muscle that likes to bounce when I laugh, but I can't imagine that pain you go through! I hope it gets better, or at least occurs less!
If I was Jada I would have taken the joke and then the next day do a G.I. JANE photoshoot on Instagram. Take the joke and make it fabulous.
Absolutely! That would have been a wonderful way to show that women can be powerful and gracious and take control of the narrative!
Another excellent job, Swoop!
My heart broke when I saw Chris' face after he was assaulted by Will. As much of a professional as he is, I saw the humiliation and devitalization. I didn't know all of this back story, but it just makes it worse. I think Chris is a class act and, in my mind, his star rose, whole I don't think Will did himself, or anyone else, any favors.
That said, I think Jada is abusive to Will publicly, and most likely privately. I'm not saying she's to blame for his actions. He's a grown man and only he is responsible for the violence he enacted. That said, I think his overboard reaction may stem from his trying desperately to win the respect and care, of someone who seems to get off on hurting him and making him feel like second choice. Of course, I don't know any of these people, but she has many times left a bad taste in my mouth when I've seen interviews or interactions of her speaking to or about Will. She seems extremely self-absorbed and uses "spiritual" or "growth" language to control others or say things that are hurtful. There is a way to be "strong" that doesn't diminish others. I don't think she's interested in that.
I’m new here, but I love you & your content! 1) I HATE that no one came to Chris Rock’s aid or to say to Will was way the hell out of line! 2) Why would anyone be insulted by being compared to a ripped, sexy Demi or even the badass character she portrayed!
Maybe Chris’ joke was a little tasteless and not appreciated by the Smith’s but escalating to violence was upsetting. The whole situation was wild and I do respect Chris for continuing on as best he could after that assault. There were no winners in this situation and I hope they all are able to heal and move on from this…
I had no idea I would cry during this doc. Talking about everyone's trauma just got to me. I didn't realize how deep the assault and hair topic would grip me. Plus the way that Will's speech sounded so similar to what an abusive partner might say. Big oof!
When this first happened my husband and I had a HUGE disagreement about it. I said there's almost never a reason to resort to violence and he said he would do the same if someone made a joke like that towards me. I stand by my statement AND I am a strong b*tch, I don't need a man to defend me, especially in a verbal altercation. All 3 made choices that night, but only one person broke the law.
THANK YOU!! I've told my husband (he's the jealous type) that I can take care of myself and if I feel cornered by a man and CAN'T see a way out, I'll call to him. I don't need a man to "defend my honor" when I can do it myself
Initially my husband said the same thing. I told him over and over again that it was horrible and unacceptable to assault someone like this. Eventually he came to my side.
@@LizRealGirlBeauty Personal growth is always a wonderful thing. I'm happy for you two 😊
Love you swoop so much! I agree he is fully responsible for his own actions 💯 the one thing I do think, however, is she is very abusive to him. When you have been abused mentally for years by a person you will suffer from irrational behavior at times. I think the embarrassment he has suffered at his own wife's hand has definitely had an effect. That being said, he is still fully responsible for physically assaulting someone. Same coin she is a toxic toxic human.