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Vararam Air Grabber Test and Review: 2019 Ram Rebel 5.7 Hemi
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
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Kudos for spending the money and taking the time! 👍🏻 People don’t understand dyno time isn’t free!
@Chan Thanks! Yeah, dyno time cost money and these intakes ain't cheap either. 😄
Vararam works best while driving. A dyno won’t show its true gains. Also the small dip in the dyno graph is your secondaries in your intake manifold opening.
Be interested to see how the Mopar RamAir compares. Thanks for sharing.
Here is my Number4 concern, and a number 5 fix it. 4)The reason for changing the assembly- regardless of brand - is to increase some HP and improve MPG. no matter what the gain - how many square inches of A/C condenser and Radiator Have you blocked off? I think that alone would cause me to skip this system. It to me looks like 6 inches or so that it drops down times the width ( approx. 24?) = 144 square .inches? A/C & Cooling system works harder while towing for some HP? The K&N 63 Series is rated to ad 15HP. Does It - I do not know, but it will not possibly cause heat issues, or at the least, added stress to two other systems. 5) simply take the cosmetic cover and trim it to clear, to clear the Ram air system. Great video though. Now that I saw it installed I will finish the video to see what happens. If you did not gain the 15HP K&N Here I come
Sorry had to come back. There should be a large fan blower at the grill!!!! HOOD CLOSED!!!!! With the hood open you ARE NOT testing it as it would be used, Air being forced through grill to throttle body. It is just grabbing the air even from above the engine , over the fenders ETC. Stock system done the same way.
@Jerry Horn Thanks for the feedback, and for watching the whole video. Real quick on the hood open vs closed. I agree the system should work better with the hood closed and air flow from a fan to simulate driving conditions. The reason I decided on the hood open is because thats how I tested the stock and aFe systems. So I wanted to keep as many things the same as possible. Even though the other intakes are self enclosed, I figured the air flow should be the same. If I saw gains that way, then I know it will get more while driving. Covering up the A/C condenser and radiator is a bit weird. But I haven't seen anyone have problems with it. A good test for that would be a towing with A/C on vs. A/C off. To see if that makes a difference. So far I've driven it all over northern Nevada and California with no issues. I don't tow much but I do load up the bed pretty good. I'll post up any updates if I run into problems. Thanks again!
@@autovice Maybe a 45-50 mile loop ( or more?)of some sort and you could give the results. I am sure all would trust ya to report the real numbers. Do not know how to rate what may or my not be blocked, I would assume ( but we know what that means) that it would effect the vehicle over the long term. I will be ordering the 63 series from K&N for my truck. Can the biggest advertized tq. & Hp gains of there 4 that they make and of all the ones I looked into. The 63 is NOT carb. ready. But that is Calif. fault not mine.
Thank you for making the video I watched all 3 they're definitely informative
@tommymanyard3183 Thanks for the support!
Based on my experience, on my ram to maximize afe intake performance i recommend to add an air scoop duct on the grill to be directed to the factory intake inlet based on my ar reading the truck goes little bet lean
@Fawaz alsobay That would work. It would be a functional ram air system. It would run a little lean. We noticed the Vararam is running a little lean too. A good tune would fix that.
I did that on my Dakota, Will do it also on my new to me Ram 1500 w/5.7. I also got some Cooltex insulation tape to but insulation on the engine side of what i made. Aluminum easy to accept and get rid of heat, but if it doesn't get warm in the first place incoming air is cooler. Computer supposed to keep air/fuel ratio constant. Maybe just dirty injectors.
I have a 2016 ram rebel. Been driving it for a total of nine days. I just installed my vararm this morning and drove from Mass to New York. The difference in power and torque was felt immediately. I thought i was just gawking over the new item but nope this thing is for real
@Ghost-ri4xn I'm sure you felt a big difference on that drive. I had my doubts too. But after driving it myself and seeing the numbers, I'm a believer too.
Any difference in mpg?
@@BlackRam17 I wouldn’t have been able to tell unfortunately. I got the vararam a week after I bought the truck and installed immediately so I don’t have a baseline. Sorry
Great vid man, I know I'm late to the show. I love the look of the Vararam, but I feel that I could fabricate the filter house long out of some fabricated aluminum "just to make me feel fancy."
Anyways if you're wanting some depth and throatyness for cheap. I'd highly recommend the Carven TR series muffler. By itself (3" inlet & outlet) makes a hell of a difference. I couldn't bring myself to drop $1200 on a CatBack, when I could do custom pipes with a performance muffler for similar sounds.
Anyways, again thanks for the awesome vid, you did your due diligence to be thorough with both products.
@Krieger Schlampe Thanks! Sorry for the delayed response. I really wanted to take my time with this review and the whole series. To see if it really works. A custom aluminum one would be sweet! I'm all in favor of "Fancy". 😀 . I'll check out the Carven mufflers for sure. I'd like a little throaty sound, but not looking for over the top drone. I agree, I'll take a custom set up that perform just as good for less cash any day.
@autovice my best friend owns a shop and specializes in custom exhaust he told me don't waste money on those carvens just straight pipe it. I have hellcat mufflers on my 2019 5th gen and get compliments all the time on how it sounds and u can find them at alot of shops when hellcat owners straight pipe there rides. Great work on the video's also.
Glad to see another Nevadan doing work on their Rebel
@Jaime Jr Gallegos What up homie?! Thanks! You in Nevada too?
I was able to reinstall the engine cover after removing the vent hose. Doesn’t interfere with the vararam at all.
@Jared Johnston Right on! I'll definitely be putting mine back on then. Thanks!
Did you see any difference on mpg
I would really like to see what the s&b does.. I heard good things about them... vararam is a dirt collector I had one
@Joe I would imagine the S&B will be similar to the aFe as far as performance goes. But the S&B looks way better with that clear window. Do you still have the Vararam? or did you switch to something else?
@@autovice when I sold my ram rt it went with the truck.. now I got a 19 ram night edition.. I'm leaning towards s&b .. I heard something about 40 or 50 % more air flow.
And snow collector. I heard it's not feasible at all in snowy environments.
"spark knock is common on an intake without a tune". "It's a bit hotter today". This is hard to hear lol. SAE correction corrects for weather on the dyno and should be used at all times. The ram is speed density airflow modeling so your fuel calculations are unaffected by the intake. It's a ram air, you cannot simulate air speed on basic chassis dyno. The only way to test this intake is to buy a dragy and do 3 runs on the stock intake and then an hour later do 3 runs again 60-100 and compare and hope wind speed and air direction and temperature is all negligible.
You have to keep in mind that when the truck is going down the road you start getting a slight positive pressure that you're not getting on the dyno.
@LeadStarDude Thats a great point. I imagine the actual numbers would be even better.
I have my engine cover on mine. And I have that front radiator cover on as well.
I'll second what Maxi Built says, the Vaaram comes alive around 45-60MPH and gets a little better up to 100. if you take the time to get a good tune with the Vararam ,have the tuner incress Low RPM enable and Mid RPM Disaable it's like adding another 25HP.
@Rick Gehring I agree. It really wakes up on the highway. So the Dyno numbers are low in reality. That's why I'm sticking with it.
Good but you should have closed the hood to simulate highway operation.
@kiesertech Yeah, that would simulate a more accurate highway operation, but I wanted it to be as identical to the other dyno runs I ran on the other intakes. Since those where with the hood open, I figured I would do this with the hood open as well.
you can put the front cover back on , I did with my 22 Rebel
@,william jameson Did you have to cut it or modify it? It looks like I'll have to cut mine to get it to fit back on properly.
Cool that’s all I need for my daily
Great video thanks! I'm wondering if this will work if you have the 5.7 with eTorque? Fitment issues?
@MrShawntryan I can't say for sure. I would advise asking the manufacturer. I've seen the e-torque engine bays. I don't think there is anything from that system that would get in the way of this one. Everything mounts above the engine. I would imagine it would fit. But best to double check. Hope that helps.
I was told there are no fit issues with e torque models
The truck is not moving. No air is being rammed into the intake stationary
@War Webdjilssina True. I wanted to keep all things equal. Since the truck was stationary in my other test, it should be stationary in this one as well. Even then, it still put down better numbers. So I imagine with airflow and that "ramair" effect, it will be even better.
So, you need to add fuel then.
I would be curious to know what the pressure (Ram Air) and temperature (Cold Air) is inside the box at a specific speed, say 60MPH and at operating temperature. Test between both factory air box and Vararam box.
I have the Mopar air box it's just like this one. And there is zero difference going down the road. I have a whole test on that set up and it did change nothing from stock
😂 I saw your LA hat. I was like theu won't like that cai with our smog laws, lol 😊
@thomasthurston6656 Bro! You ain't lyin'! I moved to Ventura and went to smog it. I got ran out of 3 different smog shops! One guy got all bent! LOL.
@autovice I had the same problem with my 2010 Challenger RT. It had the factory MOPAR cai, and a catch can. They failed it on visual inspection. I went home and changed everything back, and it passed. It's just more Fu,,,,, BS here in CA. Other States hate us as if they even had a clue.
Do the magnaflow street series catback exhaust, dyno then tune after . Would live to see the results 👌🏼
@Jozay Linan Good to know. Thanks!
testing all wrong hood open no fans in front of the truck. it's designed to work with the hood shut and air getting rammed into grill. I do not get this test?
@andyholland6401 Thanks for the feedback. I know the Vararam works better with the air flow and hood closed. But I did the initial baseline test on the stock intake and aFe intake with the hood open and no fan. So in order to get the most accurate results, it was important to keep everything as close together as possible. Keeping that in mind, the Vararam still came out ahead and we can expect even better results on the road.
Well I would take this one at the price it’s going for compared to the mopar version, which is twice as much. And that’s why people buy this one.
As much as i love the old school simplicity of the design and the type of performance it seems to put out.... The fit and finish/quality just doesn't scream $400 to me 🤷🏽♂️
@cbro412 I agree 100% I've been happy with the performance and all. But the quality, feel, and look of the kit is not top shelf.
Do you have clear access to the oil spout, or do you have to remove this when you’re doing an oil change?
@lrdurango1864 To be honest, I take it to the dealership for oil changes. I'm just paranoid about them voiding the warranty for something stupid like that. But it looks like it should clear. There is lots of room. You might just have to adjust your angle a bit or use a funnel.
@@autovice Thanks for the feedback 👍🏼
Question I’m in a snow state can I still use this
@Bees Landscaping I live in Northern Nevada. We get plenty of snow. This will be my first winter with it. I'll post any updates. But I haven't heard of any issues with it from other people.
@@autovice thank you
Could you put it on a v6
@Fredy Ambriz I don't think this is a direct fit for the V6. But I could be wrong.
Did you do any of these tests on the same day? If not test results are seriously skewed
How did you let it stay in gear ?
@LaithFaouri It was tricky. We started with a lower gear and let it shift up but put the max gear on it to prevent it from shifting again. On some runs we tried by starting at a higher gear and letting it downshift into the gear we wanted.
@@autovice Yeah sounds very tricky, but is there any other way like custom tune can solve this ?
They said HP... not RWHP....
5% increases in peak hp and 7% peak tq.
How changing the oil does not look like much room ?
@Richard Bauer I don't change the oil on the truck. I just take it in to the dealership. I wouldn't save much money doing it myself and that way all the service is on record just in case any warranty disputes come up.
You can't test this air grabber unless it's pulling the outside air force when you are driving you hit 50mph it makes an big difference as it pulls in more air
It makes zero difference...I've tested this myself between this type set up and stock
What about changing the muffler too?
@I dont care Sapo For sure exhaust is next.
Your hood seal still on the truck?
@Mrmoparrr Yup, still there. I only removed the cover,
@@autovice would think it would get better air to the Filter with it removed. My Ram AirFlow on my Truck would also benefit with the Top Active Grill Shutters removed 🤔
@@mrmoparrr Yeah, makes sense. I might have to play with that idea.
@@autovice i wonder if the AGS stay open when your in Tow/Haul mode as well as that would let fresh air through Rad and the Bottom of my MRAF . 🤔
Haven't heard of this works with the radiator shutters ? I have the shutters will it still work?
@Goldwingrocks I wish I could answer that for you, but I don't know. All I can say is that when I ordered the kit, there wasn't any mention of the shutters or options for a different kit for the shutters. Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful.
The shuters are there to improve aerodynamic performance in order to reduce fuel consumption of the truck when the conditions are right. I’m sure there’s no issues.
@@marlonpatriz8070 that varram intake is mainly sucking hot air from under the hood any time the grill shutters are closed.
With them open he’s getting cool outside air.
The version i saw of the vararam had a replacement front cover with it to replace that front one. Also why are they dyno testing like this is a racecar? Its a truck. You aren’t going to get the best numbers at 100 mph.
@Wade Slayback This is all I got in this kit. Maybe the one you saw is a different model, or an option. I'm going to put the cover back on as soon as I get a chance. As far as the dyno runs, I'm not an expert, but these guys know what they are doing. Best tuners in the area and they built my Pontiac G8 to be an absolute beast. The truck only goes to about 5500 RPM, so I think we are just trying to get accurate numbers across the entire RPM range. Hope that helps. Thanks!
Yeah that does make better sense. Lol
We need g8 content !!
@George Marquez 😆 Yes! I haven't posted anything G8 in a while. Sorry about that. But I do have something special I'm working on for my G8 people. Hopefully this week. It's going to be 🔥🔥🔥! Stay tunned...
Are those dyno numbers corrected 317whp with just an intake seems a tad high. Overall good video though props for using an actual dyno and not just butt dyno lol
@FRR-real I was surprised too. But those are the numbers. I can do a butt dyno video if you think that will confirm the numbers. 😂
@@autovice 305-315 is common for the 5.7s from 09+ I have had a few 8sp rams in the low 320s, one odd ball @ 330 and it ran the #s at the track to back it up.
Didn't read the other comments but what the dyno can't produce is running down the road is where it works,I don't waste money on dynos I go to the drag strip,almost 2 tenths comparing da and all that v Ararat wins
@davidchristy8765 People have brought up the fact that the Vararam performs better on the road with air flow. But I wanted to keep all the variables the same for all 3 test. Even then, the Vararam out performed the other intakes. So with air flow, it's even better. Thanks for the comment. I hope this helps clarified my thought process.
It should show a print all the way around to show that its seated properly, yours is not, You are definitely sucking up hot engine air
@Austin Winters Thanks for the tip. I went and adjusted it. I can see a small imprint now.
Why the cold start? Did you think you was gonna make the cat back guys jealous? Lol jk.
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So nothing
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RAM AIR FLOW IS 100% BETTER…..
@martys4814 Really? I almost went with that instead of the Vararam, but it's so expensive. I was worries it wouldn't be worth it. But I do like the look of the Ram Air Flow more than the Vararam.
The Mopar version is bad ass looking... But none of these make a difference even going down the road . I have a road test video on this.. running 2 times both directions all avged the same exact get and mph with a dragy
If you care THAT much about plastic engine covers under the hood, you probably shouldn't own a truck.
Chill out Taco guy