9:29 - yes the vapors are dangerous, it is typically propane and or methane, add a junction at the apex of your reflux to redirect the gases and use it to fuel the flame, the system then becomes self sufficient.
also, since the pyrolysis vessel is sealed, you can put a valve on it and add a port to it so you can put it under vacuum before starting the pyrolysis process, that way all oxygen and water/moisture is removed prior to the pyrolysis reaction. You can also add a large straight pipe to the top and that will make it more of a reflux distiller for the heavier hydrocarbons that don't fully break down before getting to the condenser. Would also be best to come up with a way to control the amount of heat that goes into the pyrolysis vessel, so you can get a uniform product and allow for less waste vapors.
Ooooo... good stuff. First, congratulations on your first pyrolysis run. Nothing exploded and you got usable product, even if it is a little waxy. This is a good start. Second, there's a few changes that you can add that will greatly improve your productivity. Add water to your plastic waste. This will purge air out of your system and might even allow a certain amount of hydrolysis to occur, and, if you setup a method to continuously add water, you can hydrolyze, instead of pyrolyze, the plastic. Hydrolysis isn't necessarily better, but if you have excess water, it allows plastic to be the only limiting factor. After that, you need a thermometer just before the condenser spiral. This will tell you the temperature of stuff before it goes into the condenser. Stuff that is the same temperature is roughly the same composition. If you monitor the distillation run, you can isolate things based on the temperature where they evolve out of the retort, which improves yield and hints at the compound's chemical identity. This is actually vitally important when distilling non-polyethylene, since other plastics, like PETE and Polystyrene can put off benzene instead of straight chain hydrocarbons. Any way... just some thoughts, and the video was interesting. Cheers.
HDPE is essentially a very high molecular weight paraffin. Chemically : (CH2)n with n being very large. The same is true for all polyolefins (PE, PP, PB). So no surprise that it still contains most of the energy from it’s original hydro carbon feedstock. So for energy recovery from these plastics, no need to break it down first into smaller molecules (this requires a lot of energy), just burn them straight in a clean incinerator with heat recovery ( steam to electricity).
Why we refuse to do this in the US is beyond me!!!! Sweden added a garbage incineration system to a power plant and they ended up running out of garbage to burn. When I first read about this it was described as a pilot plant. So I thought it was a small operation. I was wrong. I think it took over $1 Billion USD to complete and it's quite and operation, part of which is garbage separation. As with any project like there there were both pros and cons. But with the mountains of garbage in the USA(and I mean mountains) we should invest in this technology. Plastic is everywhere in the environment and incineration is the absolute best way to get the energy out of it.
@@blackseabrew I too would love to see this done. I've done some light research into it and everything I see about it puts it down because of air pollution it could produce. I think we have scrubbers that can reduce the pollution though and I'm sure the air pollution isn't nearly as bad as the groundwater pollution and methane produced from rotting garbage in landfills. It's all about profit motivation. Maybe consider starting a small scale one where you collect your neighbors trash and burn it for them as either a community service or at a small fee.
@@thelonewolf267 water not so dense, and with sand inside you can warm the pipe, after use compressed air to blow the pipe. Use fine sand for small diameter pipes.
run your final gooey product thru a heat ex changer. i ran a diesel engine on waste veg oil for 10 years, no problems. heat is your friend..nice vid. im now embarking on yet another alt fuel supply for my bush shed...
As an Hvac tech use ice with salt in your condenser, the salt increases surface area and will drop the ice below freezing. This will help you condense more usable liquid, also make the condenser as long as possible, common ways to increase yield with out using significantly more space is downsizing the pipe, doubling up the pipe and using more pipe, you can easily quadruple your capacity doing this
I think his issue was his condenser was working too well and waxing up plugging up I figured just hook it up was a regular garden hose and adjust the flow of water to increase or decrease the Heat what do you think
You just need a controlled heat source and a gauge to measure vapor temperature. Gas is created at around 220 degrees f, diesel at 450-650 f, start run residues at 800+ f. F= fereinhite. I hope this helps you. This is due to the liquid and vapor weight of each product.
Glad to see someone make use of the tons of plastic, that took barrels of oil to make plastic in the first place 😀 I honestly love your proff of concept and making good use of the bottles and jars. Someday soon hopefully a plasma furnace will increase the yield of this process. Thank you for your video.
Interesting method. I'll be looking in on you from time to time as you further develop your methods. Nicely done and not bad for a first run. Thank you for sharing this content.
Put it in a tank that has a coil from the engine cooling system to heat the fuel to about 90c then switch from diesel to the preheated fuel when everything is hot.
You can refine this 4 or 5 times in 1 process to get the purest fuel , I learned this about 10 years ago from a old farmer , he’d use this to fuel his kerosene heaters in the winter . He had 55 gallon drums just filled with plastic doing the same thing . The first time I seen him do this I thought he was a moonshiner because the setup is kinda the same .
You need 3 different catches and a larger condenser pipe with an empty lp tank at the end of the line. First catch is basically flammable waste, second is diesel, and 3rd in gasoline. You can also catch the vapor gas in an empty lp tank and use it as propane I believe.
the initial discoloration may be from oxides inside the tubing. also 'expand' the coil so there is little horizontal surfaces ( encourage to flow down). I would also use several glasses during the distillation as the first part is different from the middle and end. Look up some hillbilly moonshining techniques! :D edit: also make initial condenser into 2 parts..and have 2 exits..exit one will be more sludgy as that condenses quicker, and the second will contain more volatile liquids
@@torvusjunction Ek trek middel Mosambiek toe in n paar jaar en stel belang daarin om selfstandig te kan wees. Jou video het baie vrae in my kop in gebring. Ek sal moet bietjie op swot oor plastiek en die gasse betrokke. Goeie videos en informasie. Baie dankie
@@tian320i Daar is so paar mense wat al groot sukses het met die soort van ding wat ek doen, maar hulle gee jou nie al die info nie, net genoeg om jou nog vrae te wil vra. Ek probeer die nou maar self en leer soos ek angan. Ek wil op die ou einde my eie diesel maak.
could you make a plaster lined or furnace cement lined kiln and use a solar scorcher ( King Of Random built one ) as a heat source to pyrolize your plastic? It should make heat far faster and nothing burning so a much greener solution. That nasty smoke from the plastic could be run through a bubbler mason jar ( to prevent flash back ) then put back into your burner as further fuel.
@Aaron Brass well, why don't you try your version and post it here it would be grand. More good ideas for sustainable living. Nylon shopping bags are a menace in my country. It is everywhere!
Hello Bill, the caps usually has the identification number or recycling logo on the inside of the cap. All of the caps I had was the number 2 recycling logo or stamp, with the letters HDPE underneath the logo.
You should try using L.D.P.E. as it has more oil in the plastic and should produce a higher plastic Diesel yield for each run, also you should still use a condenser coil but go with a larger diameter refrigerant copper coil... it should be relatively easy to bend around a cylindrical object.
@@torvusjunction You should try going to water depots where people fill water bottles, the 3 and 5 gallon water jug caps are usually L.D.P.E. I'm sure they would be all too happy to give you big plastic bags full of them. The water Depot I go to doesn't know what to do with theirs, they gave me as much as I could carry.
Maybe while its warm and liquid try running it through a coffee filter . That might also work to separate the wax like substantce out without the need for distillation hopefully 👌
Lineman condensers work really well I used one when I well... I used one before. to make 2 inch PVC pipe caps a 2x hose bib PVC and copper pipe mine was about 4 ft long drill the hole for the copper pipe to come out the caps I just used epoxy to seal it i was thinking you would be able to use the hose bib to control the temperature by controlling the flow rate inside of the PVC pipe good luck to u sir
Woodgas is rich in co, which is toxic. Still makes a viable fuel though, powers my truck very nicely. Just don't breath in the gas while the system is warming up and all is good
First off GREAT VID. I am no expert but from my limited understanding the hotter you can get the reaction vessel them the smaller you can get the hydrocarbon chains and this might help with the gelling issue you have if you also add a gas vent. But watching yopu burn the gel at the end i was struck by just how clean it seemed to burn. I have made so so much biodiesel in my day and it always burns dirty like common fuel yet YOUR GEL seemed to burn very clean like gas. Was the clean burn just the camera angle or does it in fact burn clean? SUBBED
Use soft copper coils. I've made a few condensing coils by hand that way, no kinks, flat spots, and once you're good at it you can achieve a nice even helical coil. Maybe add a pre catch container before the condenser? I take the coil out of the pack then roughly put it to shape by holding it in my hand and picking a spot on my arm where the coil shouldn't pass. Then I go over it multiple times making everything even with a nice downward flow.
It's what I did with my wood stove hot water heater coil I just needed a 6 inch round coil got the first one done with a box end wrench and then just followed it with the rest of the rest of the copper pipe by hand you can only see two marks on the first one
you need to control the temperature if you want diesel. The waxy material is from your temp being too high. Lower temp will get rid of the clogging problem.
Would keeping the original refrigerator condenser coil in it's original "grate"/panel format suffice for air cooling (with a fan??)? or, hang the same in a coolant (circulating water?)?
What is the "condensate"? what gasses are produced when burning the condensate? (i.e. simply converting a pollutant to yet another - even more toxic - pollutant??)
You need at least 2 more jars in your system.. the first jar is trash, second is diesel and last is gasoline if I remember correctly. It’s been some years. After the third jar you’ll have a burnable propane gas too if you tap off the jar in the pressurized system
I am actually planning on building a larger boiler since this small one did okay. I noticed the fluctuations in temperature did make the process a little lengthy. Id like to stick to wood as a source of heat, Id probably go from pine cones to solid pieces of wood, since the pine cones tend to burn out quickly.
C'est de la pure connaissance frangin merci pour tout bref j'ai néanmoins deux questions s'il te plait. Dans la vessie gonflable là qu'est ce qui va à l'intérieur? Dans la bouteille l'eau sert à faire quoi exactement ?
if the system is set up right, and you actually know what you are doing, unlike me... You gan get a yield of about 500ml/0.13gal of fuel per 1kg/2.2pounds of plastic.
If you get a filter and cut a hole in it then run the tube threw that the liquid will be collected but the toxic fumes will be filtered and the process made safer
Hello dear, super experiment you have done but Please give some tips or solution to avoid the biodiesel oxidation in your vedio it change to wax like something after few days so kindly give some solution
The temp required for correct pyrolysis to occur is 500°c, this also needs to occur in an oxygen deprived atmosphere so c0² purging is neccessary otherwise you end up with the creation of poisonous and carcinogenic gasses instead of less dangerous synthesized gas ( hydrogen, carbon monoxide and dioxide )
Correct. The wood fire is probably only reaching temperatures around 300C, not hot enough. His reactor pot is probably not air tight in of itself and we can easily see the tube going into the coffee pot (receiver), is exposed to wide open air, which includes oxygen. That oxygen is making its way back into the reactor chamber, contaminating the reaction. Meaning, the oxygen is acting as an oxidizer (ignition amplifier), which is literally burning the plastic, which in turn is NOT separating (cracking) the Hydrogen molecules from the Carbon molecules. So just as you already stated, he would need an oxygen free chamber and much higher temperatures, which most certainly would require a very good condenser.
This makes me think of my Matric Physics Teacher, Dr. Engelbrecht, this guy held Phd's in both Physics and Math. He was one of the most interesting people I ever met, he inspired the Matric C class to a level where they all believed they will become rocket scientists or at least chopper pilots. (i.e. I was in the A class so I was already a Rocket Scientist)LOL! He invited the A Class to his shed at home one weekend I I can say with hand on heart somewhere in the mess and confusion there must have been a Warp drive and Particle accelerator. We were not allowed to touch anything. AG those were the days when we still had ambition, it was before the Army told us all that we probably going to die in Angola and your girlfriend back home is probably F'ing your much older cousin.
I wonder what if you added a fraction column with the fractioning column and packing the column in three places maybe u could have a triple distilled before it comes out your condenser food for thought
Normally i was collecting my trash wich can burn in 60 liters bags. Everything like plastic wraps, used paper and cardboard, rubber, etc... 🔥 In the winter i was burning those bags mixed with wood to heat my house. ❄ The chimney is charging up pretty fast from the plastics but for me was like a energy recovery. 🚮🔄🔥 Now i wonder if i can use those mixed bags in this type of installation or this works only with plastic? 🤔
It's not a "wax like substance" it's a mixture of actual candle wax and the fuel your condenser got clogged because your condenser works you should look into thump kegs simply put you have a longer pipe that goes into a container and is almost to the bottom that's the hot end then there is a smaller pipe that doesn't reach the bottom that's the cool end making 2 of these and making your fuel go through it one after the other you should get more pure fuel since the heavier material dosen't rise up again and most of the heavier material you don't actually want
Ive actually been looking into stuff like this because i would love to be able to turn syngas into syncrude since it in theory could allow me to turn any organic matter at all that is dry and can burn into gasoline that i know how to make syncrude into gasoline it's what i discribed to you as a fix and you just need a gasifier to make syngas but i have no idea on how im supposed to use a cobalt catalist and don't have the space to fuck around with it
I've only ever simulated this type of process, mind bending to see how little it actually takes for it work, its quite a simple system. What temperature did you achieve in the reactor?
Wow very interesting, HDPE is polyolefin material. Is it mthe same procedure is applicable to other thermoplastic materials like NYLON, ABS, PC, PMMA, Mainly POM too
Without a catalyst the pyrolysis is incomplete. You will got almost waxes as distillate. Try to repeat mixing HDPE with cement, alumina, sand or silica. You should also increase temperature. With that you can make a candle.
So far I have seen HDPE and LDPE are most used. That also seems to yield the best results for me. I have recently upgraded my system, and I am able to get 2 types of "fuel" from one cook. The new video should be up soon.
If you have multiple containers for the vapor to go in you'll have a higher chance of the gasses separating as they cool. If you use saw dust or crushed leaves you have a better chance of making a liquid gas/crude oil/ and bio diesel
Every fraction of fuel boils off at different temperatures you should get a steel that has a tower with different circulatory plates with bubblers attach you a line and a condenser on each one of the sections one line is for adding cooler liquid to keep a steady temperature for which fuel you're trying to extract from that layer the other line goes to your condensers so you can condense several different types of fuels at one time your condenser needs to be way colder like run it into a freezer and out
Eers het jy soos 'n iemand geklink van Suid-Afrika af, maar na ek die video gekyk het vir 1 minuut het ek gedink jy is van Nieu-Seeland af. Toe sien ek die Mac Afric compressor en toe weet ek jy is van hier af.
Medevil nightlights in your garden, The gas collected would be good for them there barbacues. I think we use to much plastic did you know a family of four can produce Enough refined fuel to cook heat there home from the propane. We don't need to burn plastic just become a puperscooper😂😂😂😂😂
Howzit, your polymers are to big, add a reflux chamber and get your temperature to around 380 degrees celsius, also, rather your liquid pass through a lager pipe with water counter flowing and passing a radiator. I am very interested in your results of this experiment.
I am still trying to solve that one, my guess is the wax will need further distilling, or the HDPE is high density and mixing in other plastics might solve the issue. Someone mentioned in the comments that adding a catalyst of aluminum oxide will also help. For now I am trying to get a good Pyrolysis setup, when that is all good, I will start to mix other plastics and see what happens.
Yes, the off gassing of the wood is a more potent fuel source in gas form. The net power input to produce fuel from plastic is difficult to make it worth while
9:29 - yes the vapors are dangerous, it is typically propane and or methane, add a junction at the apex of your reflux to redirect the gases and use it to fuel the flame, the system then becomes self sufficient.
also, since the pyrolysis vessel is sealed, you can put a valve on it and add a port to it so you can put it under vacuum before starting the pyrolysis process, that way all oxygen and water/moisture is removed prior to the pyrolysis reaction. You can also add a large straight pipe to the top and that will make it more of a reflux distiller for the heavier hydrocarbons that don't fully break down before getting to the condenser. Would also be best to come up with a way to control the amount of heat that goes into the pyrolysis vessel, so you can get a uniform product and allow for less waste vapors.
Ooooo... good stuff.
First, congratulations on your first pyrolysis run. Nothing exploded and you got usable product, even if it is a little waxy. This is a good start.
Second, there's a few changes that you can add that will greatly improve your productivity.
Add water to your plastic waste. This will purge air out of your system and might even allow a certain amount of hydrolysis to occur, and, if you setup a method to continuously add water, you can hydrolyze, instead of pyrolyze, the plastic. Hydrolysis isn't necessarily better, but if you have excess water, it allows plastic to be the only limiting factor.
After that, you need a thermometer just before the condenser spiral. This will tell you the temperature of stuff before it goes into the condenser. Stuff that is the same temperature is roughly the same composition. If you monitor the distillation run, you can isolate things based on the temperature where they evolve out of the retort, which improves yield and hints at the compound's chemical identity. This is actually vitally important when distilling non-polyethylene, since other plastics, like PETE and Polystyrene can put off benzene instead of straight chain hydrocarbons.
Any way... just some thoughts, and the video was interesting. Cheers.
HDPE is essentially a very high molecular weight paraffin. Chemically : (CH2)n with n being very large. The same is true for all polyolefins (PE, PP, PB). So no surprise that it still contains most of the energy from it’s original hydro carbon feedstock.
So for energy recovery from these plastics, no need to break it down first into smaller molecules (this requires a lot of energy), just burn them straight in a clean incinerator with heat recovery ( steam to electricity).
Why we refuse to do this in the US is beyond me!!!! Sweden added a garbage incineration system to a power plant and they ended up running out of garbage to burn. When I first read about this it was described as a pilot plant. So I thought it was a small operation. I was wrong. I think it took over $1 Billion USD to complete and it's quite and operation, part of which is garbage separation. As with any project like there there were both pros and cons. But with the mountains of garbage in the USA(and I mean mountains) we should invest in this technology. Plastic is everywhere in the environment and incineration is the absolute best way to get the energy out of it.
@@blackseabrew landfills are already producing natural gas from decaying trash in United States 🤓
@@blackseabrew I too would love to see this done. I've done some light research into it and everything I see about it puts it down because of air pollution it could produce. I think we have scrubbers that can reduce the pollution though and I'm sure the air pollution isn't nearly as bad as the groundwater pollution and methane produced from rotting garbage in landfills. It's all about profit motivation. Maybe consider starting a small scale one where you collect your neighbors trash and burn it for them as either a community service or at a small fee.
I heard that filling the pipe with sand before bending helps to keep the pipe from kinking.
The best way to keep it in shape!
Correct!
I would think water would do the same but I’m not sure 🤔
@@thelonewolf267 water not so dense, and with sand inside you can warm the pipe, after use compressed air to blow the pipe. Use fine sand for small diameter pipes.
You can also plug it and put air inside then bend it the air pressure does the same thing as the sand
run your final gooey product thru a heat ex changer. i ran a diesel engine on waste veg oil for 10 years, no problems. heat is your friend..nice vid. im now embarking on yet another alt fuel supply for my bush shed...
It might run a diesel then, but to be safe I will distill it one more time.
Maybe make a video about that. I'd watch it.
As an Hvac tech use ice with salt in your condenser, the salt increases surface area and will drop the ice below freezing. This will help you condense more usable liquid, also make the condenser as long as possible, common ways to increase yield with out using significantly more space is downsizing the pipe, doubling up the pipe and using more pipe, you can easily quadruple your capacity doing this
I think his issue was his condenser was working too well and waxing up plugging up I figured just hook it up was a regular garden hose and adjust the flow of water to increase or decrease the Heat what do you think
how many bar pressure resistant tank do i need for waste oil and tire pyrolysis
Mate, five finger death punch in the background made this video for me! Top notch.
You just need a controlled heat source and a gauge to measure vapor temperature. Gas is created at around 220 degrees f, diesel at 450-650 f, start run residues at 800+ f. F= fereinhite. I hope this helps you. This is due to the liquid and vapor weight of each product.
Glad to see someone make use of the tons of plastic, that took barrels of oil to make plastic in the first place 😀 I honestly love your proff of concept and making good use of the bottles and jars. Someday soon hopefully a plasma furnace will increase the yield of this process. Thank you for your video.
Interesting method. I'll be looking in on you from time to time as you further develop your methods. Nicely done and not bad for a first run. Thank you for sharing this content.
Based on what I've seen before you have to be able to heat the plastic to at least 660f or about 350c to get the fuel to stay liquid
Put it in a tank that has a coil from the engine cooling system to heat the fuel to about 90c then switch from diesel to the preheated fuel when everything is hot.
You've done a very good job. No single man or woman that came across your video disliked it. We're all amazed, we've been well taught
Even if they did we wouldn’t be able to see… you cant see the number of dislikes on a video anymore. Not that there’s anything in the video to dislike
You can refine this 4 or 5 times in 1 process to get the purest fuel , I learned this about 10 years ago from a old farmer , he’d use this to fuel his kerosene heaters in the winter . He had 55 gallon drums just filled with plastic doing the same thing . The first time I seen him do this I thought he was a moonshiner because the setup is kinda the same .
4 or 5 times in 1 process , how ?
You need 3 different catches and a larger condenser pipe with an empty lp tank at the end of the line. First catch is basically flammable waste, second is diesel, and 3rd in gasoline. You can also catch the vapor gas in an empty lp tank and use it as propane I believe.
the initial discoloration may be from oxides inside the tubing. also 'expand' the coil so there is little horizontal surfaces ( encourage to flow down). I would also use several glasses during the distillation as the first part is different from the middle and end. Look up some hillbilly moonshining techniques! :D edit: also make initial condenser into 2 parts..and have 2 exits..exit one will be more sludgy as that condenses quicker, and the second will contain more volatile liquids
I like ur style... working without boots...
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Wooow dis awesome om nog 'n Suid Afrikaner hier in die comments te sien. Welkom by my random channel my vriend!
@@torvusjunction Ek trek middel Mosambiek toe in n paar jaar en stel belang daarin om selfstandig te kan wees. Jou video het baie vrae in my kop in gebring. Ek sal moet bietjie op swot oor plastiek en die gasse betrokke. Goeie videos en informasie. Baie dankie
@@tian320i Daar is so paar mense wat al groot sukses het met die soort van ding wat ek doen, maar hulle gee jou nie al die info nie, net genoeg om jou nog vrae te wil vra. Ek probeer die nou maar self en leer soos ek angan. Ek wil op die ou einde my eie diesel maak.
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could you make a plaster lined or furnace cement lined kiln and use a solar scorcher ( King Of Random built one ) as a heat source to pyrolize your plastic? It should make heat far faster and nothing burning so a much greener solution. That nasty smoke from the plastic could be run through a bubbler mason jar ( to prevent flash back ) then put back into your burner as further fuel.
The solar scorcher I would love to give it a try. In my newer videos I did ad a flashback bubbler for the flare. Its really important.
@Aaron Brass well, why don't you try your version and post it here it would be grand. More good ideas for sustainable living. Nylon shopping bags are a menace in my country. It is everywhere!
I'm subbing just because you listen to FFDP
Rock on!
Amazing idea 💓 love from India 🇮🇳
Thank you!
To prevent clogs, maybe make a short, water-cooled tube and shell condenser with a large bore.
you have to separate asphalt from the thinner gasoline by adding one container before the final glass one.
I will give that a shot!
I bet what you managed to distill would work great as a rustproofing compound (cosmoline)
Torvus, Please let us know how you identified the plastic in the bottle caps. Typically bottle caps are 5, not HDPE.
Hello Bill, the caps usually has the identification number or recycling logo on the inside of the cap. All of the caps I had was the number 2 recycling logo or stamp, with the letters HDPE underneath the logo.
HDPE is food-grade if I'm not mistaken
You should try using L.D.P.E. as it has more oil in the plastic and should produce a higher plastic Diesel yield for each run, also you should still use a condenser coil but go with a larger diameter refrigerant copper coil... it should be relatively easy to bend around a cylindrical object.
LDPE is my next experiment. I will upgrade my coil to a larger one, thank you!
@@torvusjunction You should try going to water depots where people fill water bottles, the 3 and 5 gallon water jug caps are usually L.D.P.E. I'm sure they would be all too happy to give you big plastic bags full of them. The water Depot I go to doesn't know what to do with theirs, they gave me as much as I could carry.
@@mrMacGoover hi, could you share the procedure you used. I have this as my project but worried of the procedure to follow to get the liquid fuel
Yes please do
Maybe while its warm and liquid try running it through a coffee filter . That might also work to separate the wax like substantce out without the need for distillation hopefully 👌
Lineman condensers work really well I used one when I well... I used one before. to make 2 inch PVC pipe caps a 2x hose bib PVC and copper pipe mine was about 4 ft long drill the hole for the copper pipe to come out the caps I just used epoxy to seal it i was thinking you would be able to use the hose bib to control the temperature by controlling the flow rate inside of the PVC pipe good luck to u sir
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
You can also make fuel from wood an might be less toxic for you in the production process. Good stuff tho keep it up.
Thank you!
Woodgas is rich in co, which is toxic. Still makes a viable fuel though, powers my truck very nicely. Just don't breath in the gas while the system is warming up and all is good
Looks to be a good fit for a candle. Put a wick in it to see how long it will burn that way. Would be a source of heat and light.
Awesome music in the background
I recently Distilles wood and I got a brown liquid which had many things in its Composition
I like your way ,keep it up
First off GREAT VID.
I am no expert but from my limited understanding the hotter you can get the reaction vessel them the smaller you can get the hydrocarbon chains and this might help with the gelling issue you have if you also add a gas vent.
But watching yopu burn the gel at the end i was struck by just how clean it seemed to burn.
I have made so so much biodiesel in my day and it always burns dirty like common fuel yet YOUR GEL seemed to burn very clean like gas.
Was the clean burn just the camera angle or does it in fact burn clean?
SUBBED
Use soft copper coils. I've made a few condensing coils by hand that way, no kinks, flat spots, and once you're good at it you can achieve a nice even helical coil.
Maybe add a pre catch container before the condenser?
I take the coil out of the pack then roughly put it to shape by holding it in my hand and picking a spot on my arm where the coil shouldn't pass. Then I go over it multiple times making everything even with a nice downward flow.
It's what I did with my wood stove hot water heater coil I just needed a 6 inch round coil got the first one done with a box end wrench and then just followed it with the rest of the rest of the copper pipe by hand you can only see two marks on the first one
Looks to me you might have a good deal of paraffin wax mixed in. love your videos, get me thinking!
Thank you haha, yes it does look like paraffin wax with some other stuff.
you need to control the temperature if you want diesel. The waxy material is from your temp being too high. Lower temp will get rid of the clogging problem.
Would keeping the original refrigerator condenser coil in it's original "grate"/panel format suffice for air cooling (with a fan??)? or, hang the same in a coolant (circulating water?)?
very nice project... will look at the nect episodes😊
What is the "condensate"? what gasses are produced when burning the condensate? (i.e. simply converting a pollutant to yet another - even more toxic - pollutant??)
There is 1 thing that i courious about. How much fuel to make this fuel ? How long do we need to cook it?
You need at least 2 more jars in your system.. the first jar is trash, second is diesel and last is gasoline if I remember correctly. It’s been some years. After the third jar you’ll have a burnable propane gas too if you tap off the jar in the pressurized system
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Perhaps you could try increasing the temperature in your plastic boiler to try and reduce the size of hydrocarbons you are getting. Cool project!
I am actually planning on building a larger boiler since this small one did okay. I noticed the fluctuations in temperature did make the process a little lengthy. Id like to stick to wood as a source of heat, Id probably go from pine cones to solid pieces of wood, since the pine cones tend to burn out quickly.
@@torvusjunction Recirculating the flammable gasses into the burner would be another thing to try.
That is a really good idea! I will look into it!
What about pulling vacuum to lower the boiling point you wouldn't have to make more heat necessarily right?was thinking less pinecone consumption
C'est de la pure connaissance frangin merci pour tout bref j'ai néanmoins deux questions s'il te plait. Dans la vessie gonflable là qu'est ce qui va à l'intérieur? Dans la bouteille l'eau sert à faire quoi exactement ?
What is this, I am doing a final year project or this is the setup I am making, I am making biodiesel or my money will go here, please tell me 🥺 😢😢
So collecting plastic and turning it to biodiesel might work? But how much plastic do you think it would require for a full tank in a car?
if the system is set up right, and you actually know what you are doing, unlike me... You gan get a yield of about 500ml/0.13gal of fuel per 1kg/2.2pounds of plastic.
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Nice work, from what i can tell u need to use a copper pipe 10 mm or 3/8, and needs to be 9 to 10 meters long. The alloy is melting
If you get a filter and cut a hole in it then run the tube threw that the liquid will be collected but the toxic fumes will be filtered and the process made safer
This is Very cool
Hello dear, super experiment you have done but Please give some tips or solution to avoid the biodiesel oxidation in your vedio it change to wax like something after few days so kindly give some solution
Good knowledge one of the best use of plastic
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Wat type of container is this any kind of steel container?
What are the uses of the leftover plastic after the destination? Is there any?
The temp required for correct pyrolysis to occur is 500°c, this also needs to occur in an oxygen deprived atmosphere so c0² purging is neccessary otherwise you end up with the creation of poisonous and carcinogenic gasses instead of less dangerous synthesized gas ( hydrogen, carbon monoxide and dioxide )
Correct. The wood fire is probably only reaching temperatures around 300C, not hot enough. His reactor pot is probably not air tight in of itself and we can easily see the tube going into the coffee pot (receiver), is exposed to wide open air, which includes oxygen. That oxygen is making its way back into the reactor chamber, contaminating the reaction. Meaning, the oxygen is acting as an oxidizer (ignition amplifier), which is literally burning the plastic, which in turn is NOT separating (cracking) the Hydrogen molecules from the Carbon molecules. So just as you already stated, he would need an oxygen free chamber and much higher temperatures, which most certainly would require a very good condenser.
Yes, Dioxin is bad for you..!
The first stage of oil need to boil again and filter in a longer condenses to get gasoline
This makes me think of my Matric Physics Teacher, Dr. Engelbrecht, this guy held Phd's in both Physics and Math. He was one of the most interesting people I ever met, he inspired the Matric C class to a level where they all believed they will become rocket scientists or at least chopper pilots. (i.e. I was in the A class so I was already a Rocket Scientist)LOL! He invited the A Class to his shed at home one weekend I I can say with hand on heart somewhere in the mess and confusion there must have been a Warp drive and Particle accelerator. We were not allowed to touch anything. AG those were the days when we still had ambition, it was before the Army told us all that we probably going to die in Angola and your girlfriend back home is probably F'ing your much older cousin.
I wonder what if you added a fraction column with the fractioning column and packing the column in three places maybe u could have a triple distilled before it comes out your condenser food for thought
Fill copper coil with water and freeze before bending.
Can you make a video on your next step of distillation
Good effort 👍🏻
Normally i was collecting my trash wich can burn in 60 liters bags. Everything like plastic wraps, used paper and cardboard, rubber, etc... 🔥
In the winter i was burning those bags mixed with wood to heat my house. ❄
The chimney is charging up pretty fast from the plastics but for me was like a energy recovery. 🚮🔄🔥
Now i wonder if i can use those mixed bags in this type of installation or this works only with plastic? 🤔
The mixed bags most likely consists of HDPE and LDPE, some PET, and if you mix it all together it should work just fine.
@@torvusjunction Thank you so much! 🤝🏻
Lol..do it!!
Hi. what is the residue like inside the pot its cooked in? would you use a different one for different plastics
The residue is basically carbon and some impurities that did not burn.
Add on A copper tubing condenser extension to your aluminum tubing condenser coils to.
Is PP (5) similar to HDPE (2)? Can you try to convert PP to fuel?
PP is short for polypropylene, meaning you could (in theory) get propane out of it.
Edit: I think I meant propene.
Nice work 👞
Is it petrol or diesel ? I've heard people call it Both. I need a good answer. I want to know if this will run my 150cc 4 stroke gasoline engine.
Its both if you distill it further.
@@torvusjunction I've seen there can be some paraffin wax in the product.. do you mean to distill this out completely?
Any ideea about the carbon footprint of the process?
Do you have some idea how to turn plastic wax to liquid fuel to be all the time liquid
It's not a "wax like substance" it's a mixture of actual candle wax and the fuel your condenser got clogged because your condenser works you should look into thump kegs simply put you have a longer pipe that goes into a container and is almost to the bottom that's the hot end then there is a smaller pipe that doesn't reach the bottom that's the cool end making 2 of these and making your fuel go through it one after the other you should get more pure fuel since the heavier material dosen't rise up again and most of the heavier material you don't actually want
Ive actually been looking into stuff like this because i would love to be able to turn syngas into syncrude since it in theory could allow me to turn any organic matter at all that is dry and can burn into gasoline that i know how to make syncrude into gasoline it's what i discribed to you as a fix and you just need a gasifier to make syngas but i have no idea on how im supposed to use a cobalt catalist and don't have the space to fuck around with it
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I've only ever simulated this type of process, mind bending to see how little it actually takes for it work, its quite a simple system. What temperature did you achieve in the reactor?
I really wonder what temperature the wax like substance solidifies and if it's possible to use it in a vehicle that uses a heat exchanger or prehater.
The liquid changes into a wax at room temp, it has to be distilled again to achieve diesel or other fuels.
Have you tried this with pine cones? Or other biomass?
Is there a regular fuel producing version of this?
Yes there are some commercial units producing diesel and gasoline by the gallons.
Wow very interesting, HDPE is polyolefin material. Is it mthe same procedure is applicable to other thermoplastic materials like NYLON, ABS, PC, PMMA,
Mainly POM too
Oh n ice I will give those a try too.
Pls share with me the details of other polymeric materials feedback too.
Very cool!
How do you purge the air out of the tank ?
Here's an idea.. a fresnel lens as a heat source. This is a very viable idea, it just needs refinement.
Without a catalyst the pyrolysis is incomplete. You will got almost waxes as distillate. Try to repeat mixing HDPE with cement, alumina, sand or silica. You should also increase temperature. With that you can make a candle.
Would flyash work?
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Oh yeah!
Can somebody advise me the most cost effective catalyst that can be used ..
What kind of plastic used in pyrolysis process in general
So far I have seen HDPE and LDPE are most used. That also seems to yield the best results for me. I have recently upgraded my system, and I am able to get 2 types of "fuel" from one cook. The new video should be up soon.
@@torvusjunction good luck man we are waiting for the new video
The video is up! haha
@@torvusjunction bro please tell me
How much oil it ll produce from 1kg of hdpe...please
Thank you very much
@@torvusjunction can you send me the link of the video sir. Thanks in advance.
eliminate fittings by using K copper, which is bendable, use a tubing bender so it doesn't kink.
If you have multiple containers for the vapor to go in you'll have a higher chance of the gasses separating as they cool. If you use saw dust or crushed leaves you have a better chance of making a liquid gas/crude oil/ and bio diesel
I'm wondering what it smells like can you take the smell being around it
I did a smell test in my latest video. Go check it out.
Every fraction of fuel boils off at different temperatures you should get a steel that has a tower with different circulatory plates with bubblers attach you a line and a condenser on each one of the sections one line is for adding cooler liquid to keep a steady temperature for which fuel you're trying to extract from that layer the other line goes to your condensers so you can condense several different types of fuels at one time your condenser needs to be way colder like run it into a freezer and out
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For heat i could use electricity from photovoltaics to run induction heater, more ecological way of doing such things
Can this fuel used to cook food? Or is it dangerous for health to cook food with it?
Medevil nightlights in your garden,
The gas collected would be good for them there barbacues.
I think we use to much plastic did you know a family of four can produce Enough refined fuel to cook heat there home from the propane.
We don't need to burn plastic just become a puperscooper😂😂😂😂😂
Good song btw😉
I thing there is more than one song audible, I forgot to turn off the musing in my workshop.
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@@kamakaze7187 I love that song haha, If I remember correctly its "A Little Bit Off"
I think this is going with PE (Polyethylen), LDPE (LowDensity) too? You got my full Abo 😊
Yes LDPE might be even better.
@@torvusjunction can you be willing to share your procedure?
Background noise is killing your commentary. But info is 👍
Well if u put divits into the condensing line the air would have more surface contact to cool on, and stuff.
Try putting a water pump in condenser tank to keep water cool. Cooler water the better it can work. It is same setup as a moonshine still.
Howzit, your polymers are to big, add a reflux chamber and get your temperature to around 380 degrees celsius, also, rather your liquid pass through a lager pipe with water counter flowing and passing a radiator. I am very interested in your results of this experiment.
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
Please how do you overcome wax formation in condenser
I am still trying to solve that one, my guess is the wax will need further distilling, or the HDPE is high density and mixing in other plastics might solve the issue. Someone mentioned in the comments that adding a catalyst of aluminum oxide will also help. For now I am trying to get a good Pyrolysis setup, when that is all good, I will start to mix other plastics and see what happens.
@@torvusjunction try one kg of kaolin and one kg of bentonite per ton of plastic
I will never do one ton of plastic. For my miniscule plastic foundry I will try to add the appropriate ammount of additives.
@@torvusjunction tell me the result
is it just me who thinks it seems to take a lot of burnt wood to produce a small amount of plastic based fuel?
Yeah 6 pine cones is like half a forrest
Yes, the off gassing of the wood is a more potent fuel source in gas form. The net power input to produce fuel from plastic is difficult to make it worth while
Yes this is an energy negative process. That's why it's not done on a large scale.
@@jamesalan206 but couldn't you get the same amount of fuel from burning those pine cones in a wood gasification stove?
@@bangsar171 i imagine so but trying to run a basic engine of your wood stove is tricky