Re: the 10mm used by Harold Fish. It absolutely was a factor in the jury convicting him. The jury members interviewed couldn’t wrap their heads around it. He was only later released after the legislature changed the self defense laws to require the prosecution to prove the accused didn’t act reasonably vs the accused proving he did act reasonably as was the case during the first trial. After that law change and another law change making it clear that the law applied to cases in progress at the time, the new prosecutor decided not to retry the case and Harold Fish was released from prison. He died from cancer a couple years later.
reliantncc1864 Self defense was considered an affirmative defense meaning you admitted that you did it but you had to prove you acted reasonably. Now they have to prove you didn’t act reasonably.
@@festerallday - Reminds me of people who think there is some official limit to how many firearms you may legally own. They say, "Holy crap, you better not get caught with all those guns!" They are afraid to visit for fear of being there when the Feds finally show up to bust you with too any guns.
19:15 -ish I'm a materials engineering student, and I'd hazard to guess that there are a few potential reasons that Aluminum isn't often used for rifle casings. One is that most aluminum alloys just aren't ductile enough to be made into long cases economically. Most cases are cold worked to shape, which elongates their grains parallel to the case wall, increasing the strength of the case. There's a limit to how far you can deform a piece of metal before you need to anneal it to prevent cracking. Brass rifle ammunition casings already need to be annealed multiple times, and I'd bet that to make rifle cases, the amount of time and energy to heat-treat the cases even more before they're finished means that it's just economically infeasible. Additionally, I believe Aluminum needs to be brought to a higher temperature than brass to anneal, increasing cost. Another issue is that at high temperatures and pressures, aluminum has a bad habit of sticking to steel. One last one is that aluminum alloys are really susceptible to environmental factors altering their mechanical properties. Even alloys that aren't considered "age hardening" can still exhibit some microstructural changes affecting ductility and strength, which makes it difficult to trust that ammunition that's been sitting in a depot for years will be safe.
Aluminium alloy cases are used extensively in aircraft cannon rounds for weight reasons. I believe the cannons in both the Apache and A-10 use alloy cased rounds for example. I don't know why it would work fine with aircraft cannons and not rifles though. Perhaps it is because they are chain-guns therefore the opening of the breech can be delayed until the chamber pressure is lower than could be achieved using a gas system used in a "normal" rifle, along with perhaps more robust extraction if there are issues along those lines.
@@commando552 Money is a big reason. Any shell casing *could* be made aluminium, and would be expensive with a very short shelf life. Both of those factors are irrelevant to a large military.
One other consideration is that aluminium cases would be damaged by mercury or gallium. Just a little mercury powder would be enough to sabotage a lot of ammunition. Even accidental contact could cause catastrophic failures.
@@commando552 Apparently the M230 hase chamber pressure comparable to a mild rifle cartridge, measured at 40,600 to 44,950 psi. I expect the GAU-8/A will have significantly higher pressure. *Edit:* I found the 30x173mm chamber pressure to be 375MPa (~54400 psi) but I don't know if it was measured the same way. The idea that being a chain gun and the GAU-8/A multi-barrel design will allow it to extract at lower pressures seems reasonable.
@@commando552 That's definitely a "cost isn't an issue" thing. I've heard they're even switching to polymer cased rounds for certain cannons, which are even more expensive, but even lighter.
RE: Aluminum vs. Polymer cases... I'm just a lowly machinist, but I'd point out that aluminum is way less elastic than a lot of polymers. So where an aluminum case would begin to flow under high pressure and stay that way, the polymer may return to it's original shape in order to aid extraction.
Yes. I'm an apprentice machinist, and without the words to explain it, I would see the aluminum case being difficult to extract, "sticking" if you will. You likely explained what I'm imagining.
That was my thought as well. Aluminum is more brittle than, say, aramids. I'm mildly surprised it didn't occur to Ian and Karl. Speaking from an aviation tech perspective, a lot of people don't realize how brittle aluminum is.
Hey guys! So glad to finally hear your thoughts on the Flux Brace. Every QA, I've been waiting to hear what you think. Totally understand the hesitation, and would be happy to describe the research and counsel we have had as far as legality is concerned. In short - the brace is a pistol brace, designed to aid in one handed shooting, not enable one handed shooting. Even though a person is able to shoot a small, light handgun, it does not preclude them from adding accessories to assist them in shooting that better. As far as it's practical use - you guys said it. If you are going into combat, you want a rifle. A pistol is only good because of its concealability and ease of carry. The pistol's compact size is enough to sway for police and concealed carry holders to choose to carry them over rifles. Unfortunately, this means that we can be caught up in combat with a less capable tool. The purpose of our products is to retain a compact size while providing a more capable tool. SROs have adopted our products because the time that would take them to rush to their vehicle and get a rifle is time for a shooter to kill. It is not meant to replace a handgun or a rifle, but provide another option that is attempting to be the best of both worlds. I hope to finally attend Desert Brutality and hang out with you guys! That's the real reason why I started the company! Need to meet you Karl! I would love for you guys to evaluate an MP17 and give me your thoughts, as well as on our Glock products. I want to make our products the very best, and your feedback would be invaluable.
Thank you guys for your awesome content. Ian thank you so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge and for helping to better understand firearms developments from across all eras. As someone who appreciates history, we share a common language. Cheers!!!
Airpower has never and will never take ground. You must physically occupy and secure the space. I’m a Tanker- we can see and destroy virtually anything for about a two mile radius, and we still rely on small arms, machine guns, and dismounts. Small arms are absolutely vital to win any fight, unless you intend to simply vaporize an area.
Vaporizing the enemy is certainly one way of winning a fight. You could march in there with tooth-picks afterwards If there is no-one left to oppose you. And If the enemy comes back, vaporize them again. Obviously it depends on the strategic situation. Im in the swedish national guard, and our G3s are going to do jack shit against jets and tanks. We are just target practice at that point.
@@antongrahn1499 Do you at least train with any AT equipment? Perhaps in case of an actual conflict, the army would open some depot and issue the heavier armament for National Guard units?
There was actually a variant of 5.56 that used an aluminum case, the issue is with the pressure as Ian said. At rifle pressures the aluminum cases had a tendency for "burn-through" where a hole would open up in the side of the case. Obviously bad. The 5.56 ammo I mentioned earlier worked through this by using a polymer insert within the case. Polymer doesn't conduct heat the same way aluminum does, and doesn't suffer burn-through the same way. The penalty for using a polymer insert in an aluminum case is reduced case capacity. Some modern composite ammuniion is a more idealized version of this same idea: aluminum case head with a polymer body. Best of both worlds.
Regarding the hand loads for personal defense. I would say in court, that you use them purely because that is what you can practically afford. Any other answer would lead to avenues for the opposing party to use against you. Carl is right, in court they will use "anything" to make the court have doubt of your actions. Regardless of how ethical that doubt is or not. In court it is about one party winning and the other losing, nothing more. As a former LEO and a person who carries daily a five seven I have to often think ahead of time for such situations if they ever occur. Always be mentally prepared the best you can be and doing something is better than doing nothing. Other than that, always good to see more InRange! =)
I work as a reserve officer in a rural town and I agree with your assessment of the pistol stock. I don't think it would be particularly useful because shootings that happen with handguns happen on a timeframe that wouldn't allow you to deploy the stock and, as you said, if I know I'm going somewhere that needs a rifle, it only takes a few seconds to get to it. Not to mention that I prefer less complexity on a handgun. Adding more moving parts to get caught on things and snagged, more bells and whistles, I think goes against the practical application of the duty handgun
@@bdkj3e I think that's definitely the case. The last department I worked at had shotguns in the cars but they didn't get AR's until after I left. I could definitely see a stock being useful for a situation like that because a shotgun isn't great at everything and we trained much more with handguns as opposed to shotguns.
I wonder if weight might be an issue, as well. I talked to two police offiers briefly today and was surprised by the amount of stuff they carried around on their belts. Also, judging by Ina and Karls love for reddots on pistols it seems to me that if one were to add more stuff that might be more useful. But then again I know hardly anything about shooting (or policework, for that matter)
@@WIRRUZZZ definitely a consideration. It's easy to get 20+ pounds of gear to carry around all day. The red dot, for me, would certainly be preferable. I've been looking to get one set up but I can't afford it yet. I suspect that red dots will be the norm for LE handguns in the near future.
I would love to see a video of all the different shooting sports you've tried, but the video would be so much cooler if you also demonstrated each discipline with the appropriate gear.
Agree completely. I don't think I'd ever get into any shooting sport, but who knows and I think Karl could give an excellent introduction to all those undecided people who are looking for something. I've also long been thinking that it would be very usefull for aspiring shooters to have Karl and Ian make a series of videos for beginners.
I'm a school resource officer and I absolutely think something like the flex or ba USW has merit. Many schools don't allow weapons safes on the campus, and even if they did I'm seldom in my office. Having something that can give me some practical capability out to 75 yards would allow me to engage a target in every hallway in my district with reasonable chances of hits. If I'm in the building when things go sideways, I can't leave the building to retrieve my rifle from my patrol vehicle. I have to engage immediately. Niche use, sure, but a potentially vital niche.
Aluminum cartridge cases for small arms is limited to low pressure rounds to prevent gas burn through the case, on large caliber weapons that use aluminum cases they specifically treat the interior of the case to prevent hot gases from cutting through the case and blow torching / depositing aluminum oxide onto the chamber. On most small arms cartridge cases there’s not enough volume and it’s not economical to do that same treatment, hence the limitation of aluminum cartridge cases to low pressure rounds
18:20 *Aluminum Case Ammunition* With aluminum, one issue which exists for rifle cartridges vs pistol cartridges is burning. Aluminum, exposed to the much higher pressures of rifle cartridges can burn instead of melting. At which point you have burning metal, the metal itself is igniting: "burn through" doesn't occur with brass or steel. For catastrophic failure to occur with brass or steel: the case must rupture by being unsupported or having a weak spot in the casing. With aluminum, you may have catastrophic failure due to the burning propellants being hot enough to literally just burn through the aluminum. Which means to make aluminum rifle ammunition which was thick enough to prevent burn through you're either thickening the walls inward or outward. If you thicken the walls by reducing powder charge you're creating very weak for caliber loads or if you thicken the walls outward you're creating new calibers because they'd have new chamber dimensions. So if you wanted a rifle caliber which used an aluminum case you'd 1) have to use an aluminum allow which was remarkably resistant to heat, rather than just sinking heat it would have to resist igniting. 2) you'd have to create the caliber to have specific saami specs which permitted the case to be thick enough to deter burn through even while using the special blend aluminum alloy. Now what you would have is a remarkably expensive casing only used for one specific wildcat cartridge: the upside is that the ammunition would weigh a great deal less than current brass or steel cased ammunition. That is, however, not enough of a benefit for most people to actually *want* this wildcat cartridge.
On the question of hand-loaded ammunition for self-defense: If you want more power for some reason, just buy +P or +P+ ammo from a good manufacturer and you're done.
Karl (Ian too!): please do the video on your shooting history and the influences from such. I've been curious about your guy's shooting skill development and how you got to your skillsets you have today.
Regarding aluminum cases, it's probably related to fatigue failures and dimensional stability, while brass is heat treated to remove stress aluminum is much more prone to fatigue failures (and would require a much greater degree of heat treatment) which could cause case head separation etc, it also expands around 20-30% more than brass when heated (which may cause extraction problems). Related to the heat, I imagine they use thermosetting polymers which don't melt... Aluminum has a pretty low melting point which might actually be a problem as it's being directly exposed to the hot gases when the gun fires. Probably less of a problem than the above, but likely still taken into consideration.
I talked my dad into buying a Beretta 92FS not long after the Army adopted the M9. We got a black UM84 to go with it. I still have both. I just got a surplus OD one to go on my gear. It really is a great holster. Especially if you look at how pistols in the military are actually utilized. You just simply don’t need some kind of speed draw rig. Though the UM84 is still pretty fast.
The 30mm round for the GAU-8/A Avenger Cannon, used in the A-10 Thunderbolt II Aircraft incorporates an aluminum case. This round operates at 60,000 psi, just like most modern High Power Rifle rounds. However, if the case fails ( which is more likely than a brass or steel case) hot gases are release that operate like a "Cutting Torch" causing severe damage to the gun. Aluminum is used for this round because it is carried in an aircraft and weight savings is an issue.The 120mm M829 (APFSDS) Armor- piercing, fins stabilized, discarding sabot Round used in the Abrams Tank incorporates a obturating metal base with a combustible case. This system operates at 81,000 psi. Therefore, It's possible that a rifle round using a metallic base and plastic body might be possible assuming headspace can be maintained on the plastic shoulder, if the case is a rimless design. However, cost might be a concern.There have been several "All Plastic" shotgun shells produced over the last 50 years that have all gone by the wayside. The problem is that the plastic, if made hard enough at the base to ensure ejection under all temperature conditions, becomes too hard for a fold crimp. Top wads are viewed as a step backwards and if a metal washer is molded into the plastic rim, the cost of the case can become too high for economic production.On another subject, I've hunted Deer successfully for more than 30 years with Hand Loaded Ammunition and have never had an ammunition problem. The Key here is to religiously follow the manuals, test your ammo, and weight every powder charge on a scale. That being said, I hope I am never in a self defense situation!Finally, no one cares what my shoe size is!Regards,Gungineer
I heard about "steel alive" it's a Polish reactive target that can be put behind your standard steel plate and it will take programed amount of hits with certian load (you can set it to react to 5.56x45 but It won't react to 9x19) and it can activate certian target depends what combination you choose . It use lights or small metal bars which reflects those lights to show target status. It is probably cheap too.
24:32 Japanese type 100 sub-gun, Beretta model 38 sub-gun, M-3 grease gun, PPSh-41 sub-gun, and an M-16 for utility. Sub-guns are my niche. If we could get modern ones, I'd swap out the papasha for a B&T APC9
Rifle case needs to "rebound" and thin-drawn AL gets brittle. Polymer will flex within its tensile limits. You could get Al rifle case to work, but they'd probably have to be milled, not drawn, and the thickness would reduce internal volume.
The answer about "the age of the rifleman is over" that is the same mentality that the USAF has had in regards to Artillery, even after the USAF made the decision that "the age of close range, guns only, aerial dogfighting is over" just prior to the Vietnam war.
Markius Fox The problem with this narrative is it’s somewhat inaccurate. More realistically the US Air Force had a training problem since they were training for the tactical delivery of nuclear weapons in the catalytic stages prior to a general nuclear war and not for aerial combat against other aircraft. Instead of the intellectual honesty to a identify the true problem, they blamed it on a lack of guns. Contrast this to the United States Navy who didn’t put guns on the F4s yet or significantly more to successful in air to air combat because they were actually training to shoot down other aircraft
@@InrangeTv seriously as soon as you read that question I was like "they're going to say M1A is over hyped" I was surprised when you didn't. You had previously posted in FB that it sucks enough that California allows it lol.
The after effects of self defense shootings potentially includes criminal and civil courts which have very different standards. Just ask OJ Simpson who was not guilty in criminal court but found liable in civil court for millions of dollars in damages. Your hand loads might be perfectly legal but could they be used to paint you in a negative light to a civil jury? Could a lawyer ask rhetorically 'Did he craft these handloads to be extra deadly because they exceeded the norms for velocity, expansion, penetration?'. Keep in mind your jury are 12 people picked at random who probably don't know much if anything about ammo or ballistics. Using factory self defense ammo gives you plausible reason. It's what the clerk recommended or even better is if you can say it was what _________ police agency issued to their officers. Makes it much hard to demonize your choice.
just a tip sometimes saying you picked it because "it's what X law enforcement agency uses" can be also used against you because the prosecution will try and paint you as some wannabe cop or fbi imitator looking for trouble. honestly your best bet almost all the time is to just use your wallet as a defense. why do I have an ar15? because it's all I could afford. why do I have a glock with hollow points? because it's all I could find at the store. etc etc
I'd imagine roller skis would be the only possible option (frequently used for summer training - and often the *only* "ski" training amateurs here in southwestern Sweden get before going to events like Vasaloppet)
We use Neo-Ballistol (That`s like a home remedy that you can buy) for sore throat and teeth problems, because it kills bacteria and stuff. Ballistol is a do-it-all product, lube your gun, fix a sticky door, treat injuries and ailments, it can do it all.
As regards Red October, I liken it to a bike rally. If you've been to one of them, you've been to them all. I only go to the ones I like and are fairly close. It's too expensive and too time consuming to go to all of them.
As to the matter of why no aluminium case rifle ammo 18:20 I disagree that it is due to pressure issues. The GAU-8 which uses the 30x173mm are aluminium cased. This link shows case material and chamber pressure (54389.2 psi). There must be another reason as to why it is not used. Regards, Silas www.gd-ots.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/30x173mm-Ammunition-Suite-MK44-Cannon-Version-3.pdf
This'll probably sound stupid and people will call me stupid for it but instead of a built in brace for a law enforcement handgun have the slot on the grip like one of the old holster stock ones and a matching lug in the end of a shortened nightstick, assuming they still carry them over extendable batons, shaft under the armpit or over the shoulder, side grip as the butt, no extra weight cause they'd be carrying it anyway, chinweld but better than nothing, no removing a belt or anything to get the holster ready as a stock. Obviously just for a foot patrol cause a car will have a rifle but an idea maybe.
The bianchi holsters have a conversion kit for a thumb break set up. Idk how well it would work with a wide variety of guns but if it's roughly M9/92 size it should be an improvement.
karl, because aluminum is a terrible material under stressful conditions. it micro fractures upon flexing and it work hardens like hell. your cases would need to be annealed after every other firing plus the tooling required would be ridiculous, since cases are pressed into form, you'd have to do it much slower with alu, for really no weight savings at all because polymer is lighter
The first question was about 1866. Weren’t there early trapdoors and rolling blocks? Those would be miles better than any needle rifles and probably the Spencer
To the aluminum casing question, aluminum is much more likely to rupture and is WAY more expensive than brass or steel or even printed polymer. Unless it's aircraft aluminum or some place that specializes in a proprietary alloy, aluminum isn't as strong as most people might think.
Great video lads. On the subject of boots on the ground; I wasn't a Grunt, I served Queen and Country from 1980 to 2015. Looking up a hill at some very angry, unwashed fellows with appalling dental hygiene and you've just been politely requested to fix bayonets brings home just how primitive combat can be.
Why no Aluminium Ammo? I suspect it might be because some Aluminium might stay in the barrel and at worst clutter up the barrel, similar to "fouling" with Black Powder stuff that needs regular cleaning.
Stefan Payne it comes down to The cases ability to prevent burn through small arms Ammo cases don’t give them much margin and you don’t see it using higher pressure small arms ammunition however in larger caliber’s cases can be large enough margin and the case can be properly finished/treated so that burn through is not an issue
My guess is that aluminum loses strength at a relative low temperature low melting point.The heat from firing makes the metal to soft that’s my hypothesis. I cannot remember i think brass melts at ahigher temperature.
On the Flux brace talk: The holster stock thing definitely went away in the army, but then again if you ask me would I want to bother with those big, bulky holster stocks that take a decently long while to attach properly, I'd say no. A small pop-out brace/stock that doesn't interfere with the existing holster and still allows you to shoot the gun normally though... I could see that being a lot more useful. That said considering how rarely you need it, it is another costly lump of stuff to have on you, that does interfere with how comfortable the gun is to carry around (I certainly hope your average cop will carry a gun more than 99% of the time vs. less than 1% of time actually having it out), so any advantage there would be very slight. For a more tactical situation, where you might need keep the gun out and be ready for a longer time, and have better opportunity to focus on aiming a bit more than in your average impromptu situation, I could see a use there. Don't need to equip everyone with SMGs or rifles, but get added accuracy and control.
A rapidly deployable stock/brace on a holster-able handgun makes a lot of sense for on duty LEOs in less they considerate jurisdictions. For example, a buddy of mine that is a county cop is only allowed his service pistol, that's it. No trunk shotguns, not cab ARs, just his Glock, and there is one, count em, one rifle per sector (8-10 cars I think). So having something that allows him to more effectively put rounds on target with his snappy 40 S&W would be a great benefit to everyone except the perps. Not that this county would allow it. It's very much a jurisdiction where they would disarm patrol officers if they could. Barring this very specific situation, it makes sense for urban LEOs, too. They might have legitimate concerns of over penetration and large innocent civilian backdrops where 5.56 or 00 is too much and heavy trigger pulls/snappy calibers lend themselves to misses. Not a cop myself, granted, but I know quite a few and love to talk guns with them, lol.
That’s such a bizarre argument to me (lots of people feel the same as you). I’ve had factory ammo have all kinds of issues over the years from being loaded with iffy primers, to lots of variation in powder charge (sometimes causing malfunctions), and even damage to firearms (had a lot of 22 that blew out the extractors on a 10/22 and a Browning pistol). I’d trust my handloads over factory every time. .
@@colsoncustoms8994 22s are rim-fire . They have always been iffy due to uneven primer powder distribution in the rims. That's why center-fire ammo was invented. Off brand ammo especially some from overseas, is often of poor quality. But name brands such as Winchester and Remington have always been very reliable. In fifty plus years of shooting and several tens of thousands of rounds of ammo fired I can count on one hand the number of bad rounds with fingers left over. Many miss fires blamed on ammo is actually due to poor weapons maintenance or poor ammo storage. Hand loads save money, allowing you to practice more. You can also fine tune your ammo for maximum accuracy. But if you want to develop a good load for self defense you need time and the extras that cost more money. Such as a chronograph and ballistic gel. Without these you can't be sure your ammo is effective. The big ammo companies have already done all this and their rounds have been tested by experts and proven in real life shootings.
@@colsoncustoms8994 22lr is generally held to a much lesser standard, unless you go for some Olympics-level stuff. That's one reason why many feel 22lr is not suited for self-defense. Even factory training ammunition in "serious" calibers is manufactured to a lower standard than dedicated defense ammunition. That's what Karl and Ian were talking about when they mentioned defense ammunition being in a much smaller package for a much higher price.
@@antongrahn1499 You're not wrong. The cost of the more common rounds is so cheap that reloading is not cost effective if you include the value of you time. Say you're hourly wage at work. This is your free time. Spend it with loved ones. But if you're into the expensive ammo, that's a different story. You can often cut your costs by more than half by reloading your ammo and you can tune your ammo to your weapon for better accuracy.
Regarding the shoe size thing and fit inconsistency: You'll usually find that European sizing is more consistent than US. A US 11 for example may translate to a different Euro size for 2 different models of shoe, even across the same brand, but companies that want to sell those shoes/boots in Europe will still need to conform to standards there. In lieu of just trying the things on first, which we can't always do, you might find more consistency if you figure out what Euro size tends to work better for you (44 or 45 I think would be 10.5 range?) and seeing which size the manufacturer happens to apply that to.
i visited battlefield vegas on my honeymoon. they will pick you up from your hotel in a humvee, pretty much every employee is a veteran, and you can shoot at cars from a helicopter if your pockets are deep enough.
For the hand load question, I can think of a potential reason that being confidence. I know a lot of people that feel a lot better about something if they made it because they know they didn't cut corners or something
@@BrianOblivionB no, it's a matter of personally having control over something you may have to rely on to save your life. I frankly do not trust myself enough to do it but it sounds like something several people I know would do
If it is fully supported in a chamber is this a problem though? The 30x113mm Apache cannon and the 30x173mm A-10 cannon both use aluminium alloy cases for weight reasons. My guess is that the reason these work is that being chain-guns they only start extracting the round after the chamber pressure has totally dropped so the case is never unsupported under any significant pressure.
Ive got an older friend that reloads his defence ammo. He loads 38 shorts for a 5 shot 3 inch Taurus 38 special. He is overly concerned with overpenetration. I dont know if its true but he says NY subway or something used 38 short colt rounds at one point for shooting in a crowded place. And yes Ive aeen him make mistakes in reloading and have oil fowling causing fail to fires and a bullet stuck in the chamber. Why not just use 38 special?
29:27 *"Shooting CV"* there's actually a few reasons for this that I can think of. *1)* people find it interesting to know more about the people they respect, admire or look up to. *2)* Some people can't take content as presented, they want to know bonafides and qualifications - not something I pay attention to, if the most qualified person in the world tries to tell me 2 + 2 = 3, he's still wrong no matter what his qualifications are: I pay attention to the information being presented not the source of said information but most people are the opposite. *3)* Knowing more about your shooting background and experience could help others understand your point of view better when it comes to your opinions and observations on various shooting topics.
The big difference between a ak-47 and a m-14 ... is that the stock is so much heavier. Would a much heavier m-14 stock make any sense when dealing with un armed personnel ???
Coming from a post Soviet block country, I gotta especially commend Karl for speaking the truth about the SVD. It is overrated, people here still think it's a sniper and in some former Soviet countries some people in those countries are even fanatical enough to believe that the Mosin-Nagant series of rifles were the best in their category then and are applicable in today's battlefields even. Which is... "I ain't got the words." Also, I think I have the same boots that Ian has, or at least a good reproduction of them. They are great if you maintain them well. And heck, if Ian puts together his own shooting CV video, imma watch that too. Imma watch both your videos. It's bound to be very interesting.
The Flux brace and stocked pistols like glocks are great for crippled people. Bigger guns like AR and AK pistols are too heavy and normal pistols kick too much.
On guns that get more hype than they probably deserve: the M14/M1A ranks high on that list. More and more people have been tuning into the fact that it's over hyped - but there for a while, until new battle rifles became available in the US the M1A was looked on like the Mark 23 was for a while. This great mythical do all wonder weapon of infinite potential and peerless design. Which... it's not, it's really - really - not. It's okay, it's a very decent gun with very nice precision sights which allow most people to shoot it accurately at known ranges. It's just not the pinnacle of design or engineering and there's a lot of limiting factors on how much accuracy can be squeezed out of it.
Re: Moose Milk As a black powder shooter (mostly in the past ,but no matter) we used to make our own, 1/3 Isopropyl alcohol, 1/3 Murphy's oil soap and 1/3 water, I've never used Baristol, but this worked well for BP residue
re: What would you change about the UM-84 holster? You guys kinda hit on this later in the vid, but I'd like to see a version that was RDS and WML compatible. At least, one or the other.
I'd kill to sit down and have a firearms related shoot the poop with you guys. I have hard time picking which to watch first if you guys release a video on the same day as mac.
Those shoe sizes... Tell me about it! Gotta wonder what the standard on US sizes is, or more exactly, where do they pull their EU equivalences from... My EU size is around 42~43. Then I've had several sneakers with US sizing being the primary one. With those I'm around 10,5. What those day is their EU size? 44~45...
Interesting Ian didn't say any the FAMAS for the FA question. was expecting that over the mp5. My 5 would be 1. Dshk, 2. pkm 3. MG-42 4. STG 44 5. cz scorpion.
Wouldn’t the argument about the legality of the flux brace apply to all pistol braces? Even the ar pistols and ak pistols are designed to be fired with one hand since you can’t add a vertical grip to the front.
Just want to let you guys know that these Q&A's are legitimately my favorite content on RUclips.
Re: the 10mm used by Harold Fish. It absolutely was a factor in the jury convicting him. The jury members interviewed couldn’t wrap their heads around it.
He was only later released after the legislature changed the self defense laws to require the prosecution to prove the accused didn’t act reasonably vs the accused proving he did act reasonably as was the case during the first trial.
After that law change and another law change making it clear that the law applied to cases in progress at the time, the new prosecutor decided not to retry the case and Harold Fish was released from prison.
He died from cancer a couple years later.
They had to change the law in order to require presumption of innocence? That's the basis of our entire legal system. WTF, government.
reliantncc1864 Self defense was considered an affirmative defense meaning you admitted that you did it but you had to prove you acted reasonably. Now they have to prove you didn’t act reasonably.
@@festerallday - Reminds me of people who think there is some official limit to how many firearms you may legally own. They say, "Holy crap, you better not get caught with all those guns!" They are afraid to visit for fear of being there when the Feds finally show up to bust you with too any guns.
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I'm a materials engineering student, and I'd hazard to guess that there are a few potential reasons that Aluminum isn't often used for rifle casings. One is that most aluminum alloys just aren't ductile enough to be made into long cases economically. Most cases are cold worked to shape, which elongates their grains parallel to the case wall, increasing the strength of the case. There's a limit to how far you can deform a piece of metal before you need to anneal it to prevent cracking. Brass rifle ammunition casings already need to be annealed multiple times, and I'd bet that to make rifle cases, the amount of time and energy to heat-treat the cases even more before they're finished means that it's just economically infeasible. Additionally, I believe Aluminum needs to be brought to a higher temperature than brass to anneal, increasing cost. Another issue is that at high temperatures and pressures, aluminum has a bad habit of sticking to steel. One last one is that aluminum alloys are really susceptible to environmental factors altering their mechanical properties. Even alloys that aren't considered "age hardening" can still exhibit some microstructural changes affecting ductility and strength, which makes it difficult to trust that ammunition that's been sitting in a depot for years will be safe.
Aluminium alloy cases are used extensively in aircraft cannon rounds for weight reasons. I believe the cannons in both the Apache and A-10 use alloy cased rounds for example. I don't know why it would work fine with aircraft cannons and not rifles though. Perhaps it is because they are chain-guns therefore the opening of the breech can be delayed until the chamber pressure is lower than could be achieved using a gas system used in a "normal" rifle, along with perhaps more robust extraction if there are issues along those lines.
@@commando552 Money is a big reason. Any shell casing *could* be made aluminium, and would be expensive with a very short shelf life. Both of those factors are irrelevant to a large military.
One other consideration is that aluminium cases would be damaged by mercury or gallium. Just a little mercury powder would be enough to sabotage a lot of ammunition. Even accidental contact could cause catastrophic failures.
@@commando552 Apparently the M230 hase chamber pressure comparable to a mild rifle cartridge, measured at 40,600 to 44,950 psi. I expect the GAU-8/A will have significantly higher pressure. *Edit:* I found the 30x173mm chamber pressure to be 375MPa (~54400 psi) but I don't know if it was measured the same way.
The idea that being a chain gun and the GAU-8/A multi-barrel design will allow it to extract at lower pressures seems reasonable.
@@commando552 That's definitely a "cost isn't an issue" thing. I've heard they're even switching to polymer cased rounds for certain cannons, which are even more expensive, but even lighter.
RE: Aluminum vs. Polymer cases... I'm just a lowly machinist, but I'd point out that aluminum is way less elastic than a lot of polymers. So where an aluminum case would begin to flow under high pressure and stay that way, the polymer may return to it's original shape in order to aid extraction.
what about the aluminium galling under the heat and stretch?
Yes. I'm an apprentice machinist, and without the words to explain it, I would see the aluminum case being difficult to extract, "sticking" if you will. You likely explained what I'm imagining.
That was my thought as well. Aluminum is more brittle than, say, aramids. I'm mildly surprised it didn't occur to Ian and Karl.
Speaking from an aviation tech perspective, a lot of people don't realize how brittle aluminum is.
Hey guys! So glad to finally hear your thoughts on the Flux Brace. Every QA, I've been waiting to hear what you think. Totally understand the hesitation, and would be happy to describe the research and counsel we have had as far as legality is concerned. In short - the brace is a pistol brace, designed to aid in one handed shooting, not enable one handed shooting. Even though a person is able to shoot a small, light handgun, it does not preclude them from adding accessories to assist them in shooting that better.
As far as it's practical use - you guys said it. If you are going into combat, you want a rifle. A pistol is only good because of its concealability and ease of carry. The pistol's compact size is enough to sway for police and concealed carry holders to choose to carry them over rifles. Unfortunately, this means that we can be caught up in combat with a less capable tool. The purpose of our products is to retain a compact size while providing a more capable tool. SROs have adopted our products because the time that would take them to rush to their vehicle and get a rifle is time for a shooter to kill. It is not meant to replace a handgun or a rifle, but provide another option that is attempting to be the best of both worlds.
I hope to finally attend Desert Brutality and hang out with you guys! That's the real reason why I started the company! Need to meet you Karl!
I would love for you guys to evaluate an MP17 and give me your thoughts, as well as on our Glock products. I want to make our products the very best, and your feedback would be invaluable.
InRange Q&A's are perfect for those days where you're driving and need something to listen to.
Thanks for answering my question about the ballistol, it’ll help save my guns in the future.
Thank you guys for your awesome content. Ian thank you so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge and for helping to better understand firearms developments from across all eras. As someone who appreciates history, we share a common language. Cheers!!!
Airpower has never and will never take ground. You must physically occupy and secure the space. I’m a Tanker- we can see and destroy virtually anything for about a two mile radius, and we still rely on small arms, machine guns, and dismounts. Small arms are absolutely vital to win any fight, unless you intend to simply vaporize an area.
Thanks great comment
Vaporizing the enemy is certainly one way of winning a fight. You could march in there with tooth-picks afterwards If there is no-one left to oppose you. And If the enemy comes back, vaporize them again. Obviously it depends on the strategic situation. Im in the swedish national guard, and our G3s are going to do jack shit against jets and tanks. We are just target practice at that point.
@@antongrahn1499 Do you at least train with any AT equipment? Perhaps in case of an actual conflict, the army would open some depot and issue the heavier armament for National Guard units?
@@MarvinCZ yes, 84mm AT weapons, both one-time-use and reloadable. In theory, mortars. Still would not bet on us though.
@@antongrahn1499 It's better than nothing. I don't know about modern MBTs but it will certainly give you a fightig chance against other armor.
My top five hypothetical machineguns
1. Uzi
2. Sten gun
3. M60
4. Rpk
5. Browning automatic rifle
There was actually a variant of 5.56 that used an aluminum case, the issue is with the pressure as Ian said. At rifle pressures the aluminum cases had a tendency for "burn-through" where a hole would open up in the side of the case. Obviously bad. The 5.56 ammo I mentioned earlier worked through this by using a polymer insert within the case. Polymer doesn't conduct heat the same way aluminum does, and doesn't suffer burn-through the same way. The penalty for using a polymer insert in an aluminum case is reduced case capacity.
Some modern composite ammuniion is a more idealized version of this same idea: aluminum case head with a polymer body. Best of both worlds.
Regarding the hand loads for personal defense. I would say in court, that you use them purely because that is what you can practically afford. Any other answer would lead to avenues for the opposing party to use against you. Carl is right, in court they will use "anything" to make the court have doubt of your actions. Regardless of how ethical that doubt is or not. In court it is about one party winning and the other losing, nothing more.
As a former LEO and a person who carries daily a five seven I have to often think ahead of time for such situations if they ever occur. Always be mentally prepared the best you can be and doing something is better than doing nothing. Other than that, always good to see more InRange! =)
Just the cure for a case of the Mondays.
Karl looking like he's about to enter the matrix and alter the youtube algorithm
I work as a reserve officer in a rural town and I agree with your assessment of the pistol stock. I don't think it would be particularly useful because shootings that happen with handguns happen on a timeframe that wouldn't allow you to deploy the stock and, as you said, if I know I'm going somewhere that needs a rifle, it only takes a few seconds to get to it.
Not to mention that I prefer less complexity on a handgun. Adding more moving parts to get caught on things and snagged, more bells and whistles, I think goes against the practical application of the duty handgun
@@bdkj3e I think that's definitely the case. The last department I worked at had shotguns in the cars but they didn't get AR's until after I left. I could definitely see a stock being useful for a situation like that because a shotgun isn't great at everything and we trained much more with handguns as opposed to shotguns.
I wonder if weight might be an issue, as well. I talked to two police offiers briefly today and was surprised by the amount of stuff they carried around on their belts.
Also, judging by Ina and Karls love for reddots on pistols it seems to me that if one were to add more stuff that might be more useful. But then again I know hardly anything about shooting (or policework, for that matter)
@@WIRRUZZZ definitely a consideration. It's easy to get 20+ pounds of gear to carry around all day. The red dot, for me, would certainly be preferable. I've been looking to get one set up but I can't afford it yet. I suspect that red dots will be the norm for LE handguns in the near future.
I would love to see a video of all the different shooting sports you've tried, but the video would be so much cooler if you also demonstrated each discipline with the appropriate gear.
Second that! As a Swede this would be very interesting.
Agree completely. I don't think I'd ever get into any shooting sport, but who knows and I think Karl could give an excellent introduction to all those undecided people who are looking for something.
I've also long been thinking that it would be very usefull for aspiring shooters to have Karl and Ian make a series of videos for beginners.
I'm a school resource officer and I absolutely think something like the flex or ba USW has merit. Many schools don't allow weapons safes on the campus, and even if they did I'm seldom in my office. Having something that can give me some practical capability out to 75 yards would allow me to engage a target in every hallway in my district with reasonable chances of hits. If I'm in the building when things go sideways, I can't leave the building to retrieve my rifle from my patrol vehicle. I have to engage immediately. Niche use, sure, but a potentially vital niche.
I would love to see a Ballistol video.
Love the Q&A!!! Thanks fellas!
Aluminum cartridge cases for small arms is limited to low pressure rounds to prevent gas burn through the case, on large caliber weapons that use aluminum cases they specifically treat the interior of the case to prevent hot gases from cutting through the case and blow torching / depositing aluminum oxide onto the chamber. On most small arms cartridge cases there’s not enough volume and it’s not economical to do that same treatment, hence the limitation of aluminum cartridge cases to low pressure rounds
18:20 *Aluminum Case Ammunition*
With aluminum, one issue which exists for rifle cartridges vs pistol cartridges is burning. Aluminum, exposed to the much higher pressures of rifle cartridges can burn instead of melting. At which point you have burning metal, the metal itself is igniting: "burn through" doesn't occur with brass or steel. For catastrophic failure to occur with brass or steel: the case must rupture by being unsupported or having a weak spot in the casing. With aluminum, you may have catastrophic failure due to the burning propellants being hot enough to literally just burn through the aluminum.
Which means to make aluminum rifle ammunition which was thick enough to prevent burn through you're either thickening the walls inward or outward. If you thicken the walls by reducing powder charge you're creating very weak for caliber loads or if you thicken the walls outward you're creating new calibers because they'd have new chamber dimensions. So if you wanted a rifle caliber which used an aluminum case you'd 1) have to use an aluminum allow which was remarkably resistant to heat, rather than just sinking heat it would have to resist igniting. 2) you'd have to create the caliber to have specific saami specs which permitted the case to be thick enough to deter burn through even while using the special blend aluminum alloy.
Now what you would have is a remarkably expensive casing only used for one specific wildcat cartridge: the upside is that the ammunition would weigh a great deal less than current brass or steel cased ammunition. That is, however, not enough of a benefit for most people to actually *want* this wildcat cartridge.
Ian “well then you’re wrong” McCollum
On the question of hand-loaded ammunition for self-defense:
If you want more power for some reason, just buy +P or +P+ ammo from a good manufacturer and you're done.
Karl (Ian too!): please do the video on your shooting history and the influences from such. I've been curious about your guy's shooting skill development and how you got to your skillsets you have today.
Regarding aluminum cases, it's probably related to fatigue failures and dimensional stability, while brass is heat treated to remove stress aluminum is much more prone to fatigue failures (and would require a much greater degree of heat treatment) which could cause case head separation etc, it also expands around 20-30% more than brass when heated (which may cause extraction problems).
Related to the heat, I imagine they use thermosetting polymers which don't melt... Aluminum has a pretty low melting point which might actually be a problem as it's being directly exposed to the hot gases when the gun fires. Probably less of a problem than the above, but likely still taken into consideration.
I would find that video about how shooting different disciplines influences your match design philosophy super interesting.
I talked my dad into buying a Beretta 92FS not long after the Army adopted the M9. We got a black UM84 to go with it. I still have both. I just got a surplus OD one to go on my gear. It really is a great holster. Especially if you look at how pistols in the military are actually utilized. You just simply don’t need some kind of speed draw rig. Though the UM84 is still pretty fast.
The 30mm round for the GAU-8/A Avenger Cannon, used in the A-10 Thunderbolt II Aircraft incorporates an aluminum case. This round operates at 60,000 psi, just like most modern High Power Rifle rounds. However, if the case fails ( which is more likely than a brass or steel case) hot gases are release that operate like a "Cutting Torch" causing severe damage to the gun. Aluminum is used for this round because it is carried in an aircraft and weight savings is an issue.The 120mm M829 (APFSDS) Armor- piercing, fins stabilized, discarding sabot Round used in the Abrams Tank incorporates a obturating metal base with a combustible case. This system operates at 81,000 psi. Therefore, It's possible that a rifle round using a metallic base and plastic body might be possible assuming headspace can be maintained on the plastic shoulder, if the case is a rimless design. However, cost might be a concern.There have been several "All Plastic" shotgun shells produced over the last 50 years that have all gone by the wayside. The problem is that the plastic, if made hard enough at the base to ensure ejection under all temperature conditions, becomes too hard for a fold crimp. Top wads are viewed as a step backwards and if a metal washer is molded into the plastic rim, the cost of the case can become too high for economic production.On another subject, I've hunted Deer successfully for more than 30 years with Hand Loaded Ammunition and have never had an ammunition problem. The Key here is to religiously follow the manuals, test your ammo, and weight every powder charge on a scale. That being said, I hope I am never in a self defense situation!Finally, no one cares what my shoe size is!Regards,Gungineer
I heard about "steel alive" it's a Polish reactive target that can be put behind your standard steel plate and it will take programed amount of hits with certian load (you can set it to react to 5.56x45 but It won't react to 9x19) and it can activate certian target depends what combination you choose . It use lights or small metal bars which reflects those lights to show target status. It is probably cheap too.
Karl, I would be one to watch a video on your shooting history and how it impacts your match designs!
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Japanese type 100 sub-gun, Beretta model 38 sub-gun, M-3 grease gun, PPSh-41 sub-gun, and an M-16 for utility. Sub-guns are my niche. If we could get modern ones, I'd swap out the papasha for a B&T APC9
26:00 At long last. We can place Ian and Karil on the Celebrity Feet Wiki.
Rifle case needs to "rebound" and thin-drawn AL gets brittle. Polymer will flex within its tensile limits. You could get Al rifle case to work, but they'd probably have to be milled, not drawn, and the thickness would reduce internal volume.
The answer about "the age of the rifleman is over" that is the same mentality that the USAF has had in regards to Artillery, even after the USAF made the decision that "the age of close range, guns only, aerial dogfighting is over" just prior to the Vietnam war.
Markius Fox The problem with this narrative is it’s somewhat inaccurate. More realistically the US Air Force had a training problem since they were training for the tactical delivery of nuclear weapons in the catalytic stages prior to a general nuclear war and not for aerial combat against other aircraft. Instead of the intellectual honesty to a identify the true problem, they blamed it on a lack of guns. Contrast this to the United States Navy who didn’t put guns on the F4s yet or significantly more to successful in air to air combat because they were actually training to shoot down other aircraft
@@ronhmclaughlin it didnt help that early aam s were fairly easy to defeat.
M14-M1A most over rated gun ever
Good answer
I considered buying one...then I actually got to shoot one.
@@InrangeTv seriously as soon as you read that question I was like "they're going to say M1A is over hyped" I was surprised when you didn't. You had previously posted in FB that it sucks enough that California allows it lol.
Also, Thompson SMG.
The M1A is the Harley Davidson of battle rifles.
I think mud and dust test videos with pistols in the um84 would be awesome
Air support coming in since you questioned the NFA overlords.
The after effects of self defense shootings potentially includes criminal and civil courts which have very different standards.
Just ask OJ Simpson who was not guilty in criminal court but found liable in civil court for millions of dollars in damages.
Your hand loads might be perfectly legal but could they be used to paint you in a negative light to a civil jury? Could a lawyer ask rhetorically 'Did he craft these handloads to be extra deadly because they exceeded the norms for velocity, expansion, penetration?'. Keep in mind your jury are 12 people picked at random who probably don't know much if anything about ammo or ballistics.
Using factory self defense ammo gives you plausible reason. It's what the clerk recommended or even better is if you can say it was what _________ police agency issued to their officers. Makes it much hard to demonize your choice.
just a tip sometimes saying you picked it because "it's what X law enforcement agency uses" can be also used against you because the prosecution will try and paint you as some wannabe cop or fbi imitator looking for trouble.
honestly your best bet almost all the time is to just use your wallet as a defense. why do I have an ar15? because it's all I could afford. why do I have a glock with hollow points? because it's all I could find at the store. etc etc
@@daa3417 very true
Can't wait for Part 2!
A10 30mm uses AL cases, so I wouldn’t think pressure is an issue,.
Now I'm trying to picture Karl practicing biathlon in Arizona.
I guess the cross country skis would be harder to find than the rifle. :)
Em Ch Dude, I just spat my minestra all over the table! Good one!
I'd imagine roller skis would be the only possible option (frequently used for summer training - and often the *only* "ski" training amateurs here in southwestern Sweden get before going to events like Vasaloppet)
@@michaeltempsch5282 I agree. However I don't know how roller skis would fare in what they refer to as moon dust. Quite the challenge !
@@obiwanschinobi You're welcome. Consider this as a bonus : he could wear the ultra sexy and extra tight suits they use. ;D
@@yop_cholo Yeah, not sure exactly how sealed "sealed" bearings are against that stuff. ..
Part 2! Part 2! Part 2!
You don’t see aluminum rifle cases because of the high friction coefficient that it has. Aluminum is prone to galling as well.
We use Neo-Ballistol (That`s like a home remedy that you can buy) for sore throat and teeth problems, because it kills bacteria and stuff. Ballistol is a do-it-all product, lube your gun, fix a sticky door, treat injuries and ailments, it can do it all.
As regards Red October, I liken it to a bike rally. If you've been to one of them, you've been to them all. I only go to the ones I like and are fairly close. It's too expensive and too time consuming to go to all of them.
As to the matter of why no aluminium case rifle ammo 18:20 I disagree that it is due to pressure issues. The GAU-8 which uses the 30x173mm are aluminium cased. This link shows case material and chamber pressure (54389.2 psi). There must be another reason as to why it is not used. Regards, Silas
www.gd-ots.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/30x173mm-Ammunition-Suite-MK44-Cannon-Version-3.pdf
My 5 MGs:
M16 lower
Knights LMG 7.62
M2 .50bmg
DSHk
Vector 10mm
Aluminum is harder to form with a press than polymer or brass for making casings iirc.
I love these Q&A's.
This'll probably sound stupid and people will call me stupid for it but instead of a built in brace for a law enforcement handgun have the slot on the grip like one of the old holster stock ones and a matching lug in the end of a shortened nightstick, assuming they still carry them over extendable batons, shaft under the armpit or over the shoulder, side grip as the butt, no extra weight cause they'd be carrying it anyway, chinweld but better than nothing, no removing a belt or anything to get the holster ready as a stock.
Obviously just for a foot patrol cause a car will have a rifle but an idea maybe.
Many of the cartridges for 76 mm naval guns are made from aluminum alloys.
The bianchi holsters have a conversion kit for a thumb break set up. Idk how well it would work with a wide variety of guns but if it's roughly M9/92 size it should be an improvement.
There is aluminum cased ammo. Used it once. It was ok. But I save my brass so not worth using myself
karl, because aluminum is a terrible material under stressful conditions.
it micro fractures upon flexing and it work hardens like hell. your cases would need to be annealed after every other firing
plus the tooling required would be ridiculous, since cases are pressed into form, you'd have to do it much slower with alu, for really no weight savings at all because polymer is lighter
The first question was about 1866. Weren’t there early trapdoors and rolling blocks? Those would be miles better than any needle rifles and probably the Spencer
To add to that question about stocked pistols and nfa, does anyone know exactly how/why a vertical grip on a pistol came to be part of the nfa?
My brother's hand loads wouldn't cycle any of my guns but factory federal was 100% fine. His load books were super conservative
Ragnar Lodbrok has joined the channel
No Stoner 63/A for machine gun choice? That was an impressive video Ian.
To the aluminum casing question, aluminum is much more likely to rupture and is WAY more expensive than brass or steel or even printed polymer. Unless it's aircraft aluminum or some place that specializes in a proprietary alloy, aluminum isn't as strong as most people might think.
Perfect just in time for my birthday lol
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Great video lads. On the subject of boots on the ground; I wasn't a Grunt, I served Queen and Country from 1980 to 2015. Looking up a hill at some very angry, unwashed fellows with appalling dental hygiene and you've just been politely requested to fix bayonets brings home just how primitive combat can be.
Why no Aluminium Ammo?
I suspect it might be because some Aluminium might stay in the barrel and at worst clutter up the barrel, similar to "fouling" with Black Powder stuff that needs regular cleaning.
Stefan Payne it comes down to The cases ability to prevent burn through small arms Ammo cases don’t give them much margin and you don’t see it using higher pressure small arms ammunition however in larger caliber’s cases can be large enough margin and the case can be properly finished/treated so that burn through is not an issue
Interesting questions and interesting topics for a future videos. Great. :)
My guess is that aluminum loses strength at a relative low temperature low melting point.The heat from firing makes the metal to soft that’s my hypothesis. I cannot remember i think brass melts at ahigher temperature.
On the Flux brace talk: The holster stock thing definitely went away in the army, but then again if you ask me would I want to bother with those big, bulky holster stocks that take a decently long while to attach properly, I'd say no. A small pop-out brace/stock that doesn't interfere with the existing holster and still allows you to shoot the gun normally though... I could see that being a lot more useful. That said considering how rarely you need it, it is another costly lump of stuff to have on you, that does interfere with how comfortable the gun is to carry around (I certainly hope your average cop will carry a gun more than 99% of the time vs. less than 1% of time actually having it out), so any advantage there would be very slight. For a more tactical situation, where you might need keep the gun out and be ready for a longer time, and have better opportunity to focus on aiming a bit more than in your average impromptu situation, I could see a use there. Don't need to equip everyone with SMGs or rifles, but get added accuracy and control.
A rapidly deployable stock/brace on a holster-able handgun makes a lot of sense for on duty LEOs in less they considerate jurisdictions. For example, a buddy of mine that is a county cop is only allowed his service pistol, that's it. No trunk shotguns, not cab ARs, just his Glock, and there is one, count em, one rifle per sector (8-10 cars I think). So having something that allows him to more effectively put rounds on target with his snappy 40 S&W would be a great benefit to everyone except the perps. Not that this county would allow it. It's very much a jurisdiction where they would disarm patrol officers if they could.
Barring this very specific situation, it makes sense for urban LEOs, too. They might have legitimate concerns of over penetration and large innocent civilian backdrops where 5.56 or 00 is too much and heavy trigger pulls/snappy calibers lend themselves to misses.
Not a cop myself, granted, but I know quite a few and love to talk guns with them, lol.
I use to hand load all my practice ammo. But I would never trust it with my life, I always carried factory at work as a police officer.
That’s such a bizarre argument to me (lots of people feel the same as you). I’ve had factory ammo have all kinds of issues over the years from being loaded with iffy primers, to lots of variation in powder charge (sometimes causing malfunctions), and even damage to firearms (had a lot of 22 that blew out the extractors on a 10/22 and a Browning pistol). I’d trust my handloads over factory every time. .
@@colsoncustoms8994 22s are rim-fire . They have always been iffy due to uneven primer powder distribution in the rims. That's why center-fire ammo was invented. Off brand ammo especially some from overseas, is often of poor quality. But name brands such as Winchester and Remington have always been very reliable. In fifty plus years of shooting and several tens of thousands of rounds of ammo fired I can count on one hand the number of bad rounds with fingers left over. Many miss fires blamed on ammo is actually due to poor weapons maintenance or poor ammo storage.
Hand loads save money, allowing you to practice more. You can also fine tune your ammo for maximum accuracy. But if you want to develop a good load for self defense you need time and the extras that cost more money. Such as a chronograph and ballistic gel. Without these you can't be sure your ammo is effective. The big ammo companies have already done all this and their rounds have been tested by experts and proven in real life shootings.
To me, hand loading has always been for those that use rare/expensive ammo. Thats it.
@@colsoncustoms8994 22lr is generally held to a much lesser standard, unless you go for some Olympics-level stuff. That's one reason why many feel 22lr is not suited for self-defense.
Even factory training ammunition in "serious" calibers is manufactured to a lower standard than dedicated defense ammunition. That's what Karl and Ian were talking about when they mentioned defense ammunition being in a much smaller package for a much higher price.
@@antongrahn1499 You're not wrong. The cost of the more common rounds is so cheap that reloading is not cost effective if you include the value of you time. Say you're hourly wage at work. This is your free time. Spend it with loved ones. But if you're into the expensive ammo, that's a different story. You can often cut your costs by more than half by reloading your ammo and you can tune your ammo to your weapon for better accuracy.
Regarding the shoe size thing and fit inconsistency: You'll usually find that European sizing is more consistent than US. A US 11 for example may translate to a different Euro size for 2 different models of shoe, even across the same brand, but companies that want to sell those shoes/boots in Europe will still need to conform to standards there.
In lieu of just trying the things on first, which we can't always do, you might find more consistency if you figure out what Euro size tends to work better for you (44 or 45 I think would be 10.5 range?) and seeing which size the manufacturer happens to apply that to.
i visited battlefield vegas on my honeymoon. they will pick you up from your hotel in a humvee, pretty much every employee is a veteran, and you can shoot at cars from a helicopter if your pockets are deep enough.
For the hand load question, I can think of a potential reason that being confidence. I know a lot of people that feel a lot better about something if they made it because they know they didn't cut corners or something
@@BrianOblivionB no, it's a matter of personally having control over something you may have to rely on to save your life. I frankly do not trust myself enough to do it but it sounds like something several people I know would do
Thank you gun jesus
Like adding in bullseye
You're not Speff
@@JackManiacky no. But I stole his idea for the picture though. I laughed too hard not to.
Aluminum cases would be difficult as aluminum tends to crack under pressure impulse
If it is fully supported in a chamber is this a problem though? The 30x113mm Apache cannon and the 30x173mm A-10 cannon both use aluminium alloy cases for weight reasons. My guess is that the reason these work is that being chain-guns they only start extracting the round after the chamber pressure has totally dropped so the case is never unsupported under any significant pressure.
Ian straight outta the bad guy saloon
Ive got an older friend that reloads his defence ammo. He loads 38 shorts for a 5 shot 3 inch Taurus 38 special. He is overly concerned with overpenetration. I dont know if its true but he says NY subway or something used 38 short colt rounds at one point for shooting in a crowded place. And yes Ive aeen him make mistakes in reloading and have oil fowling causing fail to fires and a bullet stuck in the chamber. Why not just use 38 special?
29:27 *"Shooting CV"*
there's actually a few reasons for this that I can think of. *1)* people find it interesting to know more about the people they respect, admire or look up to. *2)* Some people can't take content as presented, they want to know bonafides and qualifications - not something I pay attention to, if the most qualified person in the world tries to tell me 2 + 2 = 3, he's still wrong no matter what his qualifications are: I pay attention to the information being presented not the source of said information but most people are the opposite. *3)* Knowing more about your shooting background and experience could help others understand your point of view better when it comes to your opinions and observations on various shooting topics.
If you turn on captions, instead of "desert brutality," it shows desert fertility...
Well, that's fun too.
Regarding aluminium cases: They would probably dent easier than polymer or brass. Also, heat resistance maybe?
Just bought a um84. Good bit of kit
The big difference between a ak-47 and a m-14 ... is that the stock is so much heavier. Would a much heavier m-14 stock make any sense when dealing with un armed personnel ???
.280 British from the 50's experimented with aluminium cased rounds, wonder if it was pressure that lead to road back to brass?
Anyone catch the name of the RD holster mentioned at 17:14? My dumb ass can't seem to use google correctly
1866 is also the years of the chassepot
Gunology master class.
Coming from a post Soviet block country, I gotta especially commend Karl for speaking the truth about the SVD. It is overrated, people here still think it's a sniper and in some former Soviet countries some people in those countries are even fanatical enough to believe that the Mosin-Nagant series of rifles were the best in their category then and are applicable in today's battlefields even. Which is...
"I ain't got the words."
Also, I think I have the same boots that Ian has, or at least a good reproduction of them. They are great if you maintain them well.
And heck, if Ian puts together his own shooting CV video, imma watch that too. Imma watch both your videos. It's bound to be very interesting.
The Flux brace and stocked pistols like glocks are great for crippled people. Bigger guns like AR and AK pistols are too heavy and normal pistols kick too much.
Make your shooting video Karl, I will for sure watch it!
On guns that get more hype than they probably deserve: the M14/M1A ranks high on that list. More and more people have been tuning into the fact that it's over hyped - but there for a while, until new battle rifles became available in the US the M1A was looked on like the Mark 23 was for a while. This great mythical do all wonder weapon of infinite potential and peerless design. Which... it's not, it's really - really - not. It's okay, it's a very decent gun with very nice precision sights which allow most people to shoot it accurately at known ranges. It's just not the pinnacle of design or engineering and there's a lot of limiting factors on how much accuracy can be squeezed out of it.
Re: Moose Milk As a black powder shooter (mostly in the past ,but no matter) we used to make our own, 1/3 Isopropyl alcohol, 1/3 Murphy's oil soap and 1/3 water, I've never used Baristol, but this worked well for BP residue
Time to settle in with a drink, thanks guys
I scored one of those surplus holsters for $3 at a garage sale! I had to slow down and look calm so the lady didn't up her price. 😄
My personal favorite sub gun would be the Uzi.
In reality tho I would say the Sterling is a serious contender in that category.
*stares disapprovingly in German*
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re: What would you change about the UM-84 holster?
You guys kinda hit on this later in the vid, but I'd like to see a version that was RDS and WML compatible. At least, one or the other.
It’s 1890s Mexico and you fighting banditos what are your Main gun and side arm
I'd kill to sit down and have a firearms related shoot the poop with you guys. I have hard time picking which to watch first if you guys release a video on the same day as mac.
Those shoe sizes... Tell me about it! Gotta wonder what the standard on US sizes is, or more exactly, where do they pull their EU equivalences from...
My EU size is around 42~43. Then I've had several sneakers with US sizing being the primary one. With those I'm around 10,5. What those day is their EU size? 44~45...
Interesting Ian didn't say any the FAMAS for the FA question. was expecting that over the mp5. My 5 would be 1. Dshk, 2. pkm 3. MG-42 4. STG 44 5. cz scorpion.
If you know or think you are gonna be in a gunfight you bring the rifle...
Wouldn’t the argument about the legality of the flux brace apply to all pistol braces? Even the ar pistols and ak pistols are designed to be fired with one hand since you can’t add a vertical grip to the front.
Ballistol works on wounds?
But have you done biathlon?
People who move to the desert usually don't want anything to do with snow.