Valrak, what have the fists done to find him? I wonder cos if he does return after several thousand years and his "sons" didn't do too much, he might not like them as much as he once did.
My personal theory is that when the ship he was ''purging'' during the 1st black crusade went to escape to the warp, That him and his sons were going after the bridge, and just as they reached it, the ship jumped, And with the warp shenanigans we all know, the ship will appear in the sol system soon™ with the custodes boarding the ship and finding Dorn looking like he just walked through litteral hell, Armor closer to scrap than usable armor, His last 10-20 Imperial fists in no better shape. And for Dorn and his Fists only minutes or hours passed since they entered the warp
Whilst the Dark Angels were saving the imperium (again) during the psychic awakening, what were the Imperial fists doing? I'll tell you what, they were arguing with the Iron Hands over their dead primarchs - one without a head, the other without an arm.
Miguel Mauro When fighting the daemons in the webway, the Emperor sent forth a surge of psychic power shaped to look like the loyalists killed in the Dropsite massacre. Not confirmed it was actually them, their ghosts or whatever.
In the war of the Beast series yeah that got me a little excited until I thought that Vulkan could have meant (very unlikely this) that every time Vulkan died, before regeneration saw his dead brothers.
I'm not even sure if I should watch this one. Sometimes it's not good to encourage the ramblings of a madman. I have my own theory. Dorn is alive but his phone battery died. He is on his way back to Terra now and always has been. It's just his sense of direction is so bad he couldn't find is way around the Vengeful Spirit in time to save Sanguinius or the Emperor so he is probably on the other side of the galaxy. He will make it in the end just in time to see humanity extinguished due to his slowness. Hence is name Dorn the nearly ready.
I swear they wait until they have combed all the different types of media and cherry picked which bits of fan theorys they like best before advancing any plot!
You can't keep doing this to yourself Valrak. As much as we all want him to be alive (except the Iron Warriors) we must come to terms that Rogal Dorn was killed by Alpharius and he impersonated him.
*THE PRAETORIAN LIVES!* Imagine if and when he comes back, and he announces: *"My sons, rally to me! Rally to Terra!"* Where will you be, sons of Dorn?
Imagine now. ‘Sir, we are picking up an ancient signal... it’s coming from... By the Emperor!’ The quiet of the bridge is deafening, but then as if by the birth of a new star , a peel of sound echos through the bridge. A vox communication from a distant ship, shrouded by darkness. A voice begins to speak, a voice unheard for centuries. ‘My Sons, rally to me! Rally to Terra. I the primarch of the imperial fists have returned!’
... Not a Fist, but I'm still gonna be crying on Baal Secundus because my noble gene-father, the Ninth, the Angel, died in such a horrible manner as to scar us all for ten thousand years, and we'll never have a chance of getting him back. And then probably getting pissed off that our Primarch died, going on a century of penitent crusading/ senseless violence, and then go see how the big lemon's doing because we all missed him. Unless Dante orders me to get my shit together. Then I'm probably just gonna go with some Sanguinary Guard to welcome my uncle home.
>He's been building up his personal armor for 10k years >Distant battlefield Imp Fists vs Chaos >"Brother, I'm hallucinating! I see the Fortress of Terra moving towards us! ...with...tiny legs?!"
Dorn abides at the right hand of the Emperor, centurion armor clad, and biding his time until his big reveal. I've had a vision! There is an epic nap time awaiting him with a bedtime story of architectural nature read by the Emperor himself. 😱
A thought just went through my head, what if Dorn was actually in cohoots with alpharius? What if alpharius was actually teaming up with him and they both had a plan in motion to protect the universe? Dorn killing alpharius would erase any suspicion of collaboration in anyone's mind, and Dorn throwing his dead arm arround is the classic just bare minimmum to prettend his own death. Then you get yourself a pile of culrists to stage it, a couple marines with a spare armor around and TADA! Now Dorn can move freely, maybe even with the colaboration of some loyalist Alpha legion groups.
Dorn is in possession of Trazyn the Infinite ! The Necron codex mentions that Trazyn's vaults below the tomb world of Solemnace holds "A giant of a man clad in baroque power armour , his face contorted in a permanent scream". I have a feeling Trazyn saved him at the last moment , and Dorn is the worrier Trazyn holds .
So are loyalist primarchs just gonna keep coming back with every new edition? Also if Guilliman killing Omegon doesn’t count how does Dorn killing Alpharius count?
The real Alpharius was killed by Rogass, Omegon confirms it. Omegon (acting as Alpharius) is supposedly killed by Guilliman but even the Ultramarines don't entirely believe this is true. Actually no one in-universe believe this is true. The Inquisitor that found the after action report detailing the defeat of Alpharius at the hand of Guilliman was an Alpha Legion operative. That's said in the very same lore snippet describing the supposed killing. The fact that such a lore snippet was included in a paragraph describing how the Alpha Legion was declared destroyed three times by the High Lords only to be found shortly after perfectly operational probably should suggest something, too.
@@andreasmagnussengriis6539 the problem with the alpha legion is that GW went too far with the memes. GW: "Omegon was killed... or was he?" "Actualy they were alpha legion operatives" etc... Heck i would be barely surprise if the fallens are actualy all alpha legionaires
Lets be real though. Dorn is in limbo. He's both dead and alive. If GW decides tomorrow that no, he's dead actually. Then he's dead. If they decide he's alive, he's alive. I don't think even GW has a definite answer if they consider him dead or alive.
I like to think the shattering of Dorn represents the breakup of his legion into chapters with each chapter embodying a part of Dorn's personality which is why his sons display the greatest diversity of culture and combat philosophy of any of the primarchs.
Firstly Valrak, a correction: The Lion was and is the True Warmaster. But onto why I’m writing this, You could argue that Dorn is held in stasis by Trazyn the Infinite (a giant of a man clad in baroque power armour). However there is another RUclipsr, a guy called Baldermort, that has a better theory. He had a three-part series (about 120 minutes), which in the supposes that Dorn is a Galahad archetype who is leading the remaining Loyalist Primarchs on a “Grail” quest to find a way to cure/save/restore the Emperor. This is probably insane, and even though I’m a Dark Angel through and through (if you cut me in half, you’d be able to read the legend: Loyalty is its own reward). The thought of Dorn and his brothers searching , and purging together though the various realms of reality until one of them succeeds, It just pleases me, would be such an ultimate move for the brothers to do. So yes, Dorn Lives.
Theoretical: the praetorian felt he had utterly failed the imperium and the emperor; stacked events of the battle of terra, the battle of the iron cage, traitors surviving and returning to attack, the loss of unity uming his loyal brothers made him feel he has failed all together. So he plans for a final stand against a black crusade but after being wounded and losing his hand, he either found a way to escape the battle unnoticed or was captured and thusly afterwards escape said capture. Practical: rogal dorn is alive and in self imposed exile or in an unknown region of space away from imperial surveillance restarting anew, building a world, fortifying it, having tacos.
Omegon led the Praetorian to the massive hall, the floor awash in a sea of colour. "Some are genuine Lego and others are knockoffs, brother..." said the diminutive Primarch. "Damn you," replied Dorn....
7:05... Rogal was captured by the Alpha Legion... Valrak's art looks like an alpha legionnaire... Valrak got a haircut and shaved to look like this image... hmm.. Hhmmm.! HHHHHHHHMMMM!!!!
Omegon: I've been waiting for you Rogal we meet again at last. Dorn: If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Dorn loves building... Soooo right now he's building what? - Suspense - Intrigue - a plan to establish what the spare bits of Legos are for that he's got in his golden throne set - His confidence? After being spanked so hard, he's too scared to come out of hiding, just letting the Imperium waste away because he's too weak - a worthy story of return that covers up the fact, Dorn died in the DornAlpharius battle and it is now actually Alpharius in Dorns armour?
I like the idea of Omegon being a loyalist trying to correct what Alpharius did to the legion and getting help from a previously imprisoned Dorn would be a pretty interesting storyline. They could keep the Alpha Legion warbands for the chaos players but have Omegon return to the fold for the narrative.
Here's my theory on Dorn, take it as you wish. I totally subscribe to the idea that he's still alive for much the same reasoning Valrak, and your theory is sound. However, the flaw with your theory comes with the location of Dorn's disappearance, the Sword of Sacrilege. This was a Black Legion vessel that is still very much in combat operations to this day. My personal theory was that Dorn was captured by the shipmaster of the Sword of Sacrilege. In Battlefleet Gothic: Armada, the Sword of Sacrilege is a Despoiler-Class Battleship that is dedicated to the chaos god Tzeentch. This means that the fellows on board were powerful psykers, warp fuckery abounded everywhere, and everything was constantly changing. Here's my theory: the commander of the Sword of Sacrilege was most likely a potent chaos sorcerer, as he saw a literal demigod charging at his bridge, he said "Screw this!" and opened a warp portal to flee. As he was trying so desperately hard to get away from the angry, golden demigod, he didn't necessarily care where the warp portal opened up to. Dorn charges into said warp portal and there's an explosion of light and energy as the warp portal collapses (which looks like a normal explosion, and probably had some less than desirable effects on the bridge crew). Fists come in and clear the bridge, but see only a smoldering skeletal hand as all that remains of their Primarch, as that hand was on the other side of the warp portal before it collapsed. Fists think "Oh no! Daddy died!" take his hand back to Phalanx, and it becomes the relic we all know and love. However! Remember how I said the sorcerer probably didn't care where the portal opened up? Well Tzeentch is always a tricky fucker even with his own faithful, and probably did some douche move like dropping him on a daemon world inside the Eye of Terror, along with the Imperial Fists Primarch who promptly obliterated his face. Dorn would now be stuck in the Eye of Terror, right under the noses of the enemy, and most likely near the machinations of one of his traitor brothers. Thus Dorn would spend the next 10-ish millennia battling traitors throughout the Eye, doing great damage, but fated by the chaos gods to never quite reach his goal of escaping the Eye. Now, though, with the Great Rift going all over the bloody galaxy, and Perturabo's crusade of steel grinding through the Imperium, Dorn knows what he has to do, and his return is nigh.
Omegon and Alpharius were convinced bu the Cabal to turn traitor, while being loyal. Dorn was captured and now he will be convinced by Omegon to join their double cross, Rogal Dorn will fall to chaos. :^)
As far as "Dorn is alive" theories go, this one is not crap! But it raises more questions than it answers. IF Dorn really was captured by Omegon, and is being held by him ... THEN WHERE THE FUCK IS OMEGON? We know he did not go into the Eye of Terror like his brothers, some say he went to opposite way, out to the fringe of the galaxy. So what has he been doing for the last 10.000 years? While I admit that cutting of Dorn's hands as revenge for his brother fits well, it does not really explain WHY he would then not kill him ... could it be that Omegon did not want to be alone any more? Maybe he allowed Dorn to live and he took his revenge on him for a purpose? Could he have been scheming and BUILDING something outside the Imperium for more than ten millennia? Personally, I think Rogal Dorn returning out of nowhere would be a shock to the Imperium, even more so than having Robute Guilleman waking up from his stasis coma. I would have him arrive with Ferrus Manus hand just for the hell of it! ;)
I like this idea. Maybe introduce Omegon as a loyalist, after Dorn (stubbornly) is able to coerce him to be a loyalist during his ten millenia long imprisonment. If he is imprisoned in the warp, then the time spent there might be a lot less. From then on it is Omegon x Dorn, rolling through warp with a small band of alpha legionaries infiltrating and fortifying the deamon planets. Could be cool to have a traitor turned loyalist primarch and how it affects the Imperium as a whole.
In Prince Of Crows it states that Kurze looks at each Primarch and has flashes of what happens to them in future. Regarding Dorn its being cut down but hundreds of Charging Space Marines.
The thing about Curze is that his visions were only ever one version of the future. This is what Sanguinius was never able to teach him. Yes they could perceive future events before they happened, but the future could be changed. The thing with Curze is that he always went to such extraordinary lengths to make his visions come true, thus convincing himself that destiny could not be changed.
My character in Euro Truck Simulator 2 was named Rogal Dorn. He'd put on some weight and gone a little wild-eyed, but for a while there I really could believe he's just been driving a truck around France trying to make the best damn trucking outfit he could manage. You've ruined everything. Maybe I needed it. I think I'm going to be in the pain glove for a while.
The Alpha Legion has been, and always has been for the Emperor. "Victory... Is defeat?". I say this as someone who's only getting started on the Horus Heresy and is barely 9 books in, but "Legion" being among them makes me agree with you that Dorn probably is being held by Omegon. However I believe that Dorn is instead being shown the truth, of why the Alpha Legion did what it did, and how Dorn doomed humanity. All the while holding him hostage for the killing of Alpharius, because now the Primarch of the Alpha Legion is incomplete. *puts down tin foil cap* Obviously I've barely any notion of the lore as I'm new to 40k, I'm just spitballing here. Very much in the same way Valrak spitballs of Dorn's return.
Val you know why Rogal isnt alive. In the book Shadows of Treachery , when The emperor and Rogal Dorn arrive on Nostromo to find Curz , The Night Haunter sees Dorns future and it is him dying in a hallway.
I think that Dorn and Alpharius fight was all theater, Alpharius and Dorn were creating a master plan to infiltrate and ultimately set conditions for the conquest of Chaos, and but they couldn't just hold an OPT, they needed it to look good - Dorn and Alpharius are working together this whole time. To say the author confirmed it was Alpharius... they are all Spartacus, I mean Alpharius.
Dorn is on the last squat home world, fortifying it alongside the best squat minds, slowly building up to be able to break out of the siege they are under. So imperial fists will have special slow, hard to kill, turtleing squat troops when Dorn returns. You heard it here first (maybe)!
The author confirmed Alpharius' death... *Laughs in Alpharius* of course the author confirmed it... I told him to, what better way to work in the shadows than by convincing people I don't exist! (Side note - I think we're going to find out all Primarchs are perpetuals anyway)
Rogal is Schrödinger's Primarch, some lore says that they found his body and encased it in amber. Other lore says it waso nly his hand that was found. As for Omegon capturing Dorn.. there is a problem with that. If i recall correctly Omegon was supposedly killed by the Gulliman, and after the heresy, but before the first Black Crusade (where Rogal Dorn supposedly meet his end). Omegon wouldn´t have been onboard that ship, as he was already dead at that point in time. Abaddon MIGHT have been the one who captured him, if he was captured, but that doesn´t seem like Abaddon´s style, given what he did to Sigismund. He would most likely have killed Dorn and left his body for the imperium to find as a warning. As for his return well we have two ways for his return from the dead. One is Yvraine she already brought Gulliman back and restored some Rubric Marines to life, so its possible Gulliman might persuade her to bring back Dorn, since they already have a none aggression pact and are friendly with one another. The other is the spider himself Fabius Bile he already managed to clone Fulgrim twice, plus he have had some success in cloning Ferrus Manus. If some of either in the Imperial Fist´s or one of the sub-chapters got desperate enough, there is a possibility that they will seek out Fabius and persuade him to make a perfect clone of Dorn and return him to the imperium.
I think the reason why no one on the side of Chaos hasn't been bragging or claiming his death, it's would be like someone going "I caught a fish this big *holds up hands* >
Meanwhile at GW headquarters: - so, all we are ready for the next grand reveal? - yes sir! - DEAR PLAYERS, LET US PRESENT TO YOU A NEW CHAOS LEGION: THE SLAYERS OF DORN
I like the theory that Dorn is serving a self imposed term of penance for his failure to protect Sanguinius and the Emperor during the Seige of Terra as one of the Companions on Terra, even if Guilleman's meeting with the Emperor makes that unlikely.
I'm a Son of Corax and I believe Dorn is alive and kicking but just doing what he does best, like Space Marines have limbs blown or cut off yet they're still standing, so it makes no sense for a Primarch, a Son of the Emperor to die from losing a hand or any body part, they're literally made to be the embodiment of their chapter. So I see Dorn having a powerfist or a giant hammer for a hand.
some lore states he's encased in amber on the phalanx but this was stated in the novel space marine by suspected slaanesh worshiper Ian Watson, at the moment we only know that Dorn lost one of his hands so what I think he is is probably frozen as Dorn doesn't strike me as the type of pimarch to abaddon the imperium,
Alternative theory: Just before Dorn would have died Trazyn the Infinite teleported in with a bunch of his soldiers, obliterated the chaos forces, and yoinked Dorn back to Solemnace to preserve him in a nice stasis diorama. If you want him back so bad us Necrons would be HAPPY to trade him to you in exchange for. . . I dunno, the Emperor's sword?
In fairness... Rogal Dorn forged his will in the "Iron Cage," and regularly purged his own urges in the, "Pain Glove." Which is to say; Rogal Dorn spent his life preparing for a lifetime of torturous pain. As Deadpool made clear... 'the problem with unending pain, is: "where do you go from there?' " (yes, I'm paraphrasing...) So, in this theory, the only way Rogal Dorn could be "tortured," would be to have a torture of pleasure... Something he would never have allowed himself. To which end; - There is no pain/suffering/sacrifice/defeat that could match his perceived failure at the hands of Horus' battle with the Emperor. To this end; The reason ROGAL DORN SHALL RETURN, is simply because there is no torture that Chaos can offer, beyond the self-defeat that he felt at his perceived failure to the Emperor. He likely regrets his decision to split the wall into "successor chapters," and may return to return the Last Wall into its glory. But in practical terms... I'm not sure that GW will make as much money to bring back Dorn, as opposed to the Lion, the Wolf, or Sanguinius. (Yes, I know... but they'll do it) From a practical perspective; I want them to bring back Dorn, but I suspect that they'll bring back the others, and NOT Rogal Dorn...
I think Dorn, much like his brothers, has been on a mission for the Emperor. Emps tasked his remaining sons each with something. Robute was to run the imperium in the meantime.
Your theory is the "Tale of Húrin" type thing from "The Silmarillion". Read it, you'll understand. Until I have confirmation to the contrary, the Praetorian fell in glory and sacrifice. I will be happy if I am wrong though.
If he were dead the traitors would have bragged about the achievement, just like they did when Sigismund was killed. Yet not a single traitor claimed the kill. On Omegon: didn't he proactive countered his brothers' schemes during the Heresy? Granted Alpharius and Omegon were the closest but still he knew his brother could have been killed. In any case assuming Dorn returns I wonder how he'll react to the current state of affair, plus of course the Primaris (after all Papa Smurf almost declared him a traitor while secretly building the Primaris)
He could be locked in a chaos daemon cycle like Draigo. Maybe when the warp grab him it closed before he could get his hand through. Or maybe the eldar saved him with a webway portal and he helping them build a new webway system because the emperor plan was to have a webway system
Well if he is not dead the most likely places Dorn could be.... 1. Captured by the Tau and being held in stasis and studied. 2. Living in exile somewhere cause he grew tired and wanted solitude. 3.He has been wearing modded centurion armor and being the great shut in of all time in the imperial palace
I believe that Rogal Dorn is alive and currently with Omegon. But there is also a theory that Alpha Legion is a Loyalist Astartes who tries to prevent Empire's destruction by keeping them on their toes at all times. (40k theories vid.) Rogal Dorn and Omagon try to re-stabilize warp and the materium in some way.
he's probably wandering the imperium, fortifying one imperial world at a time. but according to some rummors, he is in disguise as a centurion and wandering the imperial palace.
Uncle Rogal lives. Even if his body is lifeless and broken, the Seventh Primarch, the Praetorian, the Emperor's crusader, lives. In here. _points to the hearts of the nearest Imperial Fist_
No beard Dorn is best Dorn.
if this is true and omega has him would that mean he is in the warp
No.
M8, handlebar Dorn is the true Dorn!
Valrak, what have the fists done to find him? I wonder cos if he does return after several thousand years and his "sons" didn't do too much, he might not like them as much as he once did.
Agreed Dorn is best with a Moustache not a Beard
What sources led you to this conclusion Valrak?
"A Revelation Led Me to It."
His own personal magic pain glove.
"Magic pain glove, I must find Rogal Dorn. Tell me what to do" "(Painfull cry) Aeaeaeeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaea
"The glove has spoken."
* *PLOP* *
*Your Services are no longer required..*
Truly underrated comments
You are right brother
He's probably wandering around the the palace dressed as a centurion
That crusader of useless exposition.
I Cato Sicarius know this is true
@@catosicarius3262 By The Emperor's Holy Balls Will You Pls SHUT UP!!
He's napping
I think this might MIGHT be true
"Magic Pain Glove™, is Rogal still alive?"
AaAaaAAAAAAAIIiiiiiiiEeeEeeeeeeeeeee
The glove has spoken.
"Ask later"
We have tried this, unfortunately we don’t have enough pain gloves and I have stopped feeling pain now.
You can see here, a diluted Imperial Fist rambling an insane hope. Pray his mind to be at ease. Praise the Emperor
Indeed may the God Emperor be kind to him
Diluted?
Better than concentrated imperial fists. We all know what happen last time they all gathered together.
Waaaaaaaggggghhhh!
I think you meant to say "deluded".
deluded probably
Val, why... He’s clearly busy playing with his lego
He’s clearly Building a treehouse, for he is the best tree-architect around
I was going to say, "I hope they bring him back in a dreadnought," but I think I want to change my answer.
Sir Toasty, the third this is true
He is still angry at the emperor over taco Tuesday
TACO THURSDAY IS SUPREME
Turkey tacos?
My personal theory is that when the ship he was ''purging'' during the 1st black crusade went to escape to the warp, That him and his sons were going after the bridge, and just as they reached it, the ship jumped, And with the warp shenanigans we all know, the ship will appear in the sol system soon™ with the custodes boarding the ship and finding Dorn looking like he just walked through litteral hell, Armor closer to scrap than usable armor, His last 10-20 Imperial fists in no better shape. And for Dorn and his Fists only minutes or hours passed since they entered the warp
Whilst the Dark Angels were saving the imperium (again) during the psychic awakening, what were the Imperial fists doing? I'll tell you what, they were arguing with the Iron Hands over their dead primarchs - one without a head, the other without an arm.
Miguel Mauro
When fighting the daemons in the webway, the Emperor sent forth a surge of psychic power shaped to look like the loyalists killed in the Dropsite massacre.
Not confirmed it was actually them, their ghosts or whatever.
Dark Angels are fucking traitors
Vince Lumontad No, the Dark Angels are the MOST loyal marine chapter, don’t pay attention to Asmodai standing behind you however
Imagine if they found parts of dead primarchs and made a primarch Frankenstein
I am here in the comment section.
I knew it
DORN LIVES
THE PRIMARCH! WHAT IS YOUR ORDER GLORIOUS ONE!
ROGAL LIVES! *stomp stomp*
Of course he's freaking alive. He's still on the emperors lap right now.
*NIGHTLY CUDDLE SESSIONS*
These are lies menials, I have only seen our venerable Brother Berrian the Centurion in the temple.
Didnt Vulcan also mention to an Imperial fist that he would tell his farther how great and honorable he had performed ?
In the war of the Beast series yeah that got me a little excited until I thought that Vulkan could have meant (very unlikely this) that every time Vulkan died, before regeneration saw his dead brothers.
Captain Slaughter of the Imperial Fists, the guy Karstodes respected
My theory is that when Vulkan dies he goes to the afterlife, like vacations.
I'm not even sure if I should watch this one. Sometimes it's not good to encourage the ramblings of a madman.
I have my own theory.
Dorn is alive but his phone battery died.
He is on his way back to Terra now and always has been.
It's just his sense of direction is so bad he couldn't find is way around the Vengeful Spirit in time to save Sanguinius or the Emperor so he is probably on the other side of the galaxy.
He will make it in the end just in time to see humanity extinguished due to his slowness. Hence is name Dorn the nearly ready.
Damn Vox battery packs
Someone's been huffing too hard on the yellow paint. Someone give the poor chap his Meds and take him back to his padded room for a lie down. xD
He may need several meditation sessions in the pain glove
Valrak uses Paint thinner in a questionable way
that lamenters yellow is powerful stuff!
Listen, what the Imperial Fists do on a Monday night is none of your business
When he comes back he will avenge the Celestians Lions.
Who? Oh, them. They’re still alive?
@@imperialfist2304 from what I know yes
Valrak : "Dorn is ALIVE! and here are my theory..."
GW : "Are you sure about that?"
Ignore GW, they're all Chaos fan boys!
@@ChapterMasterValrak Uhhh sure Val...* found Dorn corpse on a abbadon night lord ship *
@@ChapterMasterValrak I only dislike GW for their dislike of the Grey Knights.
@@sevatorion7975 thanks matt ward
I swear they wait until they have combed all the different types of media and cherry picked which bits of fan theorys they like best before advancing any plot!
You can't keep doing this to yourself Valrak. As much as we all want him to be alive (except the Iron Warriors) we must come to terms that Rogal Dorn was killed by Alpharius and he impersonated him.
Aren't we all alpharius? (or are we?)
@@meltedbutters9821 Yes, no, maybe.
No, I'm Alpharius! Stop copying me!
@@stringstorm I never knew Alpharius was a singer.
No no, you are mistaken. Nobody wishes Dorn is alive more than us Iron Warriors. We hope someday he will return so we can kill him!
*THE PRAETORIAN LIVES!*
Imagine if and when he comes back, and he announces:
*"My sons, rally to me! Rally to Terra!"*
Where will you be, sons of Dorn?
Imagine now. ‘Sir, we are picking up an ancient signal... it’s coming from... By the Emperor!’ The quiet of the bridge is deafening, but then as if by the birth of a new star , a peel of sound echos through the bridge. A vox communication from a distant ship, shrouded by darkness. A voice begins to speak, a voice unheard for centuries. ‘My Sons, rally to me! Rally to Terra. I the primarch of the imperial fists have returned!’
Whichever fist is scrimshawing Dorns fist at that moment just guiltily and slowly puts it down.
What about the black Templars who don't have a astropath on board
I am already on Terra taking shots of Fenrisian Ale with some Space Wolves.
... Not a Fist, but I'm still gonna be crying on Baal Secundus because my noble gene-father, the Ninth, the Angel, died in such a horrible manner as to scar us all for ten thousand years, and we'll never have a chance of getting him back.
And then probably getting pissed off that our Primarch died, going on a century of penitent crusading/ senseless violence, and then go see how the big lemon's doing because we all missed him.
Unless Dante orders me to get my shit together. Then I'm probably just gonna go with some Sanguinary Guard to welcome my uncle home.
I just imagine Dorn fortifying his dungeon cell and Omegon rattling his cell door screaming Let me in! And Dorn replying with a series of No....
He’s hidden in the Imperial Palace, wearing Centurion Armour and under a vow of silence
"When " or " if " they do the death of Dorn book I'd love to see valrak do a reading live on camera 😂
DORN LIVES!
*STOMP, STOMP*
More like
ROGAL LIVES
STOM STOMP (The immediate area gets fortified further with each stomp)
DORN LIVES!
*Punches hole in wall only to immediately stop and lay another one and perfectly repair it*
DORN LIVES!
>He's been building up his personal armor for 10k years
>Distant battlefield Imp Fists vs Chaos
>"Brother, I'm hallucinating! I see the Fortress of Terra moving towards us! ...with...tiny legs?!"
thats not a moon
He should be back with a beard
No beard, Dorn is best with a mustache
No He should be female , there are No female primarchs
@@bendover2684 No, he needs to be actually competent
Rogal McDornald hurry up with my happy meal
Dorn abides at the right hand of the Emperor, centurion armor clad, and biding his time until his big reveal. I've had a vision! There is an epic nap time awaiting him with a bedtime story of architectural nature read by the Emperor himself. 😱
He died.
In pretend.
A thought just went through my head, what if Dorn was actually in cohoots with alpharius? What if alpharius was actually teaming up with him and they both had a plan in motion to protect the universe?
Dorn killing alpharius would erase any suspicion of collaboration in anyone's mind, and Dorn throwing his dead arm arround is the classic just bare minimmum to prettend his own death. Then you get yourself a pile of culrists to stage it, a couple marines with a spare armor around and TADA! Now Dorn can move freely, maybe even with the colaboration of some loyalist Alpha legion groups.
Dorn is in possession of Trazyn the Infinite !
The Necron codex mentions that Trazyn's vaults below the tomb world of Solemnace holds "A giant of a man clad in baroque power armour , his face contorted in a permanent scream".
I have a feeling Trazyn saved him at the last moment , and Dorn is the worrier Trazyn holds .
Poor Chapter Master Valrak even a blood mad son of Sanguinous as I find this mad hope heartbreaking. Our fathers are fallen but not forgotten
So are loyalist primarchs just gonna keep coming back with every new edition? Also if Guilliman killing Omegon doesn’t count how does Dorn killing Alpharius count?
The real Alpharius was killed by Rogass, Omegon confirms it. Omegon (acting as Alpharius) is supposedly killed by Guilliman but even the Ultramarines don't entirely believe this is true.
Actually no one in-universe believe this is true. The Inquisitor that found the after action report detailing the defeat of Alpharius at the hand of Guilliman was an Alpha Legion operative. That's said in the very same lore snippet describing the supposed killing.
The fact that such a lore snippet was included in a paragraph describing how the Alpha Legion was declared destroyed three times by the High Lords only to be found shortly after perfectly operational probably should suggest something, too.
@@andreasmagnussengriis6539 the problem with the alpha legion is that GW went too far with the memes.
GW: "Omegon was killed... or was he?"
"Actualy they were alpha legion operatives" etc...
Heck i would be barely surprise if the fallens are actualy all alpha legionaires
Rogal: "magic pain glove will i live to see my father return?"
"Rogal's hand falls off"
Rogal: "you are dead to me"
Lets be real though. Dorn is in limbo. He's both dead and alive. If GW decides tomorrow that no, he's dead actually. Then he's dead. If they decide he's alive, he's alive. I don't think even GW has a definite answer if they consider him dead or alive.
"Shroedinger's Primarch"
I like to think the shattering of Dorn represents the breakup of his legion into chapters with each chapter embodying a part of Dorn's personality which is why his sons display the greatest diversity of culture and combat philosophy of any of the primarchs.
Firstly Valrak, a correction: The Lion was and is the True Warmaster.
But onto why I’m writing this,
You could argue that Dorn is held in stasis by Trazyn the Infinite
(a giant of a man clad in baroque power armour).
However there is another RUclipsr, a guy called Baldermort, that has a better theory.
He had a three-part series (about 120 minutes), which in the supposes that Dorn is a Galahad archetype who is leading the remaining Loyalist Primarchs on a “Grail” quest to find a way to cure/save/restore the Emperor.
This is probably insane, and even though I’m a Dark Angel through and through
(if you cut me in half, you’d be able to read the legend: Loyalty is its own reward).
The thought of Dorn and his brothers searching , and purging together though the various realms of reality until one of them succeeds,
It just pleases me, would be such an ultimate move for the brothers to do.
So yes, Dorn Lives.
I went to pick up a package at the local post office and I come back to this.
Glorious day indeed.
Theoretical: the praetorian felt he had utterly failed the imperium and the emperor; stacked events of the battle of terra, the battle of the iron cage, traitors surviving and returning to attack, the loss of unity uming his loyal brothers made him feel he has failed all together. So he plans for a final stand against a black crusade but after being wounded and losing his hand, he either found a way to escape the battle unnoticed or was captured and thusly afterwards escape said capture.
Practical: rogal dorn is alive and in self imposed exile or in an unknown region of space away from imperial surveillance restarting anew, building a world, fortifying it, having tacos.
Omegon led the Praetorian to the massive hall, the floor awash in a sea of colour. "Some are genuine Lego and others are knockoffs, brother..." said the diminutive Primarch. "Damn you," replied Dorn....
Dorn returns, walks up to Pappa smurf. Takes his his face mask of. Hah you thought I was Rogal, but it was i Alpharius
Valrak: I’m the Official Chapter Master of the Imperial Fists
*Chapter Master Gregor Dessian Would like to know Your location*
7:05... Rogal was captured by the Alpha Legion... Valrak's art looks like an alpha legionnaire... Valrak got a haircut and shaved to look like this image... hmm.. Hhmmm.! HHHHHHHHMMMM!!!!
GW does anything:...
Valrak: DORN IS ALIVE!!!
😂😂😂
Actually reading this novel atm, and thus far Alpharius has been punking Dorn for a decade already, waiting for the plot twist.
Omegon: I've been waiting for you Rogal we meet again at last.
Dorn: If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Dorn loves building... Soooo right now he's building what?
- Suspense
- Intrigue
- a plan to establish what the spare bits of Legos are for that he's got in his golden throne set
- His confidence? After being spanked so hard, he's too scared to come out of hiding, just letting the Imperium waste away because he's too weak
- a worthy story of return that covers up the fact, Dorn died in the DornAlpharius battle and it is now actually Alpharius in Dorns armour?
Mega Dreadnought Dorn for 9th
YOUR FORTIFICATIONS FALL LIKE YOUR PRIMARCH!
*Starscream laughing*
Oh a Fists primarch Dreadnought would be amazing!!!
I like the idea of Omegon being a loyalist trying to correct what Alpharius did to the legion and getting help from a previously imprisoned Dorn would be a pretty interesting storyline. They could keep the Alpha Legion warbands for the chaos players but have Omegon return to the fold for the narrative.
I would love to see Dorn return with the Emperor's power claw
Oh boy here we go again lmao
GW employee: sneezes. Valrak: "Dorn's alive!". Proceed to records 12 minutes of baseless speculation.
WHAT A WONDERFUL TIME
Here's my theory on Dorn, take it as you wish. I totally subscribe to the idea that he's still alive for much the same reasoning Valrak, and your theory is sound. However, the flaw with your theory comes with the location of Dorn's disappearance, the Sword of Sacrilege. This was a Black Legion vessel that is still very much in combat operations to this day. My personal theory was that Dorn was captured by the shipmaster of the Sword of Sacrilege. In Battlefleet Gothic: Armada, the Sword of Sacrilege is a Despoiler-Class Battleship that is dedicated to the chaos god Tzeentch. This means that the fellows on board were powerful psykers, warp fuckery abounded everywhere, and everything was constantly changing. Here's my theory: the commander of the Sword of Sacrilege was most likely a potent chaos sorcerer, as he saw a literal demigod charging at his bridge, he said "Screw this!" and opened a warp portal to flee. As he was trying so desperately hard to get away from the angry, golden demigod, he didn't necessarily care where the warp portal opened up to. Dorn charges into said warp portal and there's an explosion of light and energy as the warp portal collapses (which looks like a normal explosion, and probably had some less than desirable effects on the bridge crew). Fists come in and clear the bridge, but see only a smoldering skeletal hand as all that remains of their Primarch, as that hand was on the other side of the warp portal before it collapsed. Fists think "Oh no! Daddy died!" take his hand back to Phalanx, and it becomes the relic we all know and love. However! Remember how I said the sorcerer probably didn't care where the portal opened up? Well Tzeentch is always a tricky fucker even with his own faithful, and probably did some douche move like dropping him on a daemon world inside the Eye of Terror, along with the Imperial Fists Primarch who promptly obliterated his face. Dorn would now be stuck in the Eye of Terror, right under the noses of the enemy, and most likely near the machinations of one of his traitor brothers. Thus Dorn would spend the next 10-ish millennia battling traitors throughout the Eye, doing great damage, but fated by the chaos gods to never quite reach his goal of escaping the Eye. Now, though, with the Great Rift going all over the bloody galaxy, and Perturabo's crusade of steel grinding through the Imperium, Dorn knows what he has to do, and his return is nigh.
Omegon and Alpharius were convinced bu the Cabal to turn traitor, while being loyal.
Dorn was captured and now he will be convinced by Omegon to join their double cross, Rogal Dorn will fall to chaos. :^)
As far as "Dorn is alive" theories go, this one is not crap!
But it raises more questions than it answers. IF Dorn really was captured by Omegon, and is being held by him ... THEN WHERE THE FUCK IS OMEGON?
We know he did not go into the Eye of Terror like his brothers, some say he went to opposite way, out to the fringe of the galaxy. So what has he been doing for the last 10.000 years?
While I admit that cutting of Dorn's hands as revenge for his brother fits well, it does not really explain WHY he would then not kill him ... could it be that Omegon did not want to be alone any more?
Maybe he allowed Dorn to live and he took his revenge on him for a purpose?
Could he have been scheming and BUILDING something outside the Imperium for more than ten millennia?
Personally, I think Rogal Dorn returning out of nowhere would be a shock to the Imperium, even more so than having Robute Guilleman waking up from his stasis coma.
I would have him arrive with Ferrus Manus hand just for the hell of it! ;)
I like this idea. Maybe introduce Omegon as a loyalist, after Dorn (stubbornly) is able to coerce him to be a loyalist during his ten millenia long imprisonment. If he is imprisoned in the warp, then the time spent there might be a lot less. From then on it is Omegon x Dorn, rolling through warp with a small band of alpha legionaries infiltrating and fortifying the deamon planets. Could be cool to have a traitor turned loyalist primarch and how it affects the Imperium as a whole.
In Prince Of Crows it states that Kurze looks at each Primarch and has flashes of what happens to them in future. Regarding Dorn its being cut down but hundreds of Charging Space Marines.
The thing about Curze is that his visions were only ever one version of the future. This is what Sanguinius was never able to teach him. Yes they could perceive future events before they happened, but the future could be changed. The thing with Curze is that he always went to such extraordinary lengths to make his visions come true, thus convincing himself that destiny could not be changed.
My character in Euro Truck Simulator 2 was named Rogal Dorn. He'd put on some weight and gone a little wild-eyed, but for a while there I really could believe he's just been driving a truck around France trying to make the best damn trucking outfit he could manage. You've ruined everything. Maybe I needed it. I think I'm going to be in the pain glove for a while.
Dorn exfiltrated using the lost on a Black Crusade ship story. Now he and Omegon are orchestrating the action of the Alpha Legion behind the scenes.
The Alpha Legion has been, and always has been for the Emperor.
"Victory... Is defeat?".
I say this as someone who's only getting started on the Horus Heresy and is barely 9 books in, but "Legion" being among them makes me agree with you that Dorn probably is being held by Omegon. However I believe that Dorn is instead being shown the truth, of why the Alpha Legion did what it did, and how Dorn doomed humanity. All the while holding him hostage for the killing of Alpharius, because now the Primarch of the Alpha Legion is incomplete.
*puts down tin foil cap* Obviously I've barely any notion of the lore as I'm new to 40k, I'm just spitballing here. Very much in the same way Valrak spitballs of Dorn's return.
He's in the necron gallery the "giant in baroque power armour", maybe
I think that description suits Russ more
Russ’s armor can not in any way be described as baroque
Dorn could be somewhere, deep and secluded in the galaxy, creating the final, impregnable bastion for humanity.
Val you know why Rogal isnt alive. In the book Shadows of Treachery , when The emperor and Rogal Dorn arrive on Nostromo to find Curz , The Night Haunter sees Dorns future and it is him dying in a hallway.
I think that Dorn and Alpharius fight was all theater, Alpharius and Dorn were creating a master plan to infiltrate and ultimately set conditions for the conquest of Chaos, and but they couldn't just hold an OPT, they needed it to look good - Dorn and Alpharius are working together this whole time. To say the author confirmed it was Alpharius... they are all Spartacus, I mean Alpharius.
Valrak: Dorn is the best loyalist primarch
Our glorious hawk boy: Am I a joke to you?
Dorn is on the last squat home world, fortifying it alongside the best squat minds, slowly building up to be able to break out of the siege they are under. So imperial fists will have special slow, hard to kill, turtleing squat troops when Dorn returns. You heard it here first (maybe)!
The author confirmed Alpharius' death...
*Laughs in Alpharius* of course the author confirmed it... I told him to, what better way to work in the shadows than by convincing people I don't exist!
(Side note - I think we're going to find out all Primarchs are perpetuals anyway)
As a BA player, I'd love this a lot, but alas I really don't see it happening :(
Rogal is Schrödinger's Primarch, some lore says that they found his body and encased it in amber.
Other lore says it waso nly his hand that was found.
As for Omegon capturing Dorn.. there is a problem with that.
If i recall correctly Omegon was supposedly killed by the Gulliman, and after the heresy, but before the first Black Crusade (where Rogal Dorn supposedly meet his end).
Omegon wouldn´t have been onboard that ship, as he was already dead at that point in time.
Abaddon MIGHT have been the one who captured him, if he was captured, but that doesn´t seem like Abaddon´s style, given what he did to Sigismund.
He would most likely have killed Dorn and left his body for the imperium to find as a warning.
As for his return well we have two ways for his return from the dead.
One is Yvraine she already brought Gulliman back and restored some Rubric Marines to life, so its possible Gulliman might persuade her to bring back Dorn, since they already have a none aggression pact and are friendly with one another.
The other is the spider himself Fabius Bile he already managed to clone Fulgrim twice, plus he have had some success in cloning Ferrus Manus.
If some of either in the Imperial Fist´s or one of the sub-chapters got desperate enough, there is a possibility that they will seek out Fabius and persuade him to make a perfect clone of Dorn and return him to the imperium.
I think the reason why no one on the side of Chaos hasn't been bragging or claiming his death, it's would be like someone going "I caught a fish this big *holds up hands*
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He is roaming the Imperial Palace in disguise fortifying every corners-holes-doors,... and watching over his father in the dark
Where is Brian Blessed when you need him.
I AM BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!
Trudging around in the mortal realms with an awesome Mohawk and an axe the size of his head.
Meanwhile at GW headquarters:
- so, all we are ready for the next grand reveal?
- yes sir!
- DEAR PLAYERS, LET US PRESENT TO YOU A NEW CHAOS LEGION: THE SLAYERS OF DORN
I like the theory that Dorn is serving a self imposed term of penance for his failure to protect Sanguinius and the Emperor during the Seige of Terra as one of the Companions on Terra, even if Guilleman's meeting with the Emperor makes that unlikely.
40 downvotes? Sounds like Heresy to me. Dorn Lives!
@Valark, just remember “ No glove, No love....”
5:16 Yes Inquisitor, this man right here
He's too busy cosplaying as the emperors teddy bear in a centurion armour
I'm a Son of Corax and I believe Dorn is alive and kicking but just doing what he does best, like Space Marines have limbs blown or cut off yet they're still standing, so it makes no sense for a Primarch, a Son of the Emperor to die from losing a hand or any body part, they're literally made to be the embodiment of their chapter. So I see Dorn having a powerfist or a giant hammer for a hand.
some lore states he's encased in amber on the phalanx but this was stated in the novel space marine by suspected slaanesh worshiper Ian Watson, at the moment we only know that Dorn lost one of his hands
so what I think he is is probably frozen as Dorn doesn't strike me as the type of pimarch to abaddon the imperium,
Alternative theory: Just before Dorn would have died Trazyn the Infinite teleported in with a bunch of his soldiers, obliterated the chaos forces, and yoinked Dorn back to Solemnace to preserve him in a nice stasis diorama. If you want him back so bad us Necrons would be HAPPY to trade him to you in exchange for. . . I dunno, the Emperor's sword?
In fairness... Rogal Dorn forged his will in the "Iron Cage," and regularly purged his own urges in the, "Pain Glove." Which is to say; Rogal Dorn spent his life preparing for a lifetime of torturous pain. As Deadpool made clear... 'the problem with unending pain, is: "where do you go from there?' " (yes, I'm paraphrasing...) So, in this theory, the only way Rogal Dorn could be "tortured," would be to have a torture of pleasure... Something he would never have allowed himself.
To which end; - There is no pain/suffering/sacrifice/defeat that could match his perceived failure at the hands of Horus' battle with the Emperor. To this end; The reason ROGAL DORN SHALL RETURN, is simply because there is no torture that Chaos can offer, beyond the self-defeat that he felt at his perceived failure to the Emperor. He likely regrets his decision to split the wall into "successor chapters," and may return to return the Last Wall into its glory. But in practical terms...
I'm not sure that GW will make as much money to bring back Dorn, as opposed to the Lion, the Wolf, or Sanguinius. (Yes, I know... but they'll do it) From a practical perspective; I want them to bring back Dorn, but I suspect that they'll bring back the others, and NOT Rogal Dorn...
Great Video! Imperial Fist is my 2nd favorite SM chapter. I’m waiting for GW to wake up my favorite Primarch El Lion Johnson of the Dark Angels.
Title correction: the book is called Praetorian of Dorn.
well, in some it says that Omegon was loyal, so maybe he and Rogal are building something massive and Omegon is eliminating anyone who gets close.
I think Dorn, much like his brothers, has been on a mission for the Emperor. Emps tasked his remaining sons each with something. Robute was to run the imperium in the meantime.
Your theory is the "Tale of Húrin" type thing from "The Silmarillion". Read it, you'll understand.
Until I have confirmation to the contrary, the Praetorian fell in glory and sacrifice. I will be happy if I am wrong though.
If he were dead the traitors would have bragged about the achievement, just like they did when Sigismund was killed. Yet not a single traitor claimed the kill.
On Omegon: didn't he proactive countered his brothers' schemes during the Heresy? Granted Alpharius and Omegon were the closest but still he knew his brother could have been killed.
In any case assuming Dorn returns I wonder how he'll react to the current state of affair, plus of course the Primaris (after all Papa Smurf almost declared him a traitor while secretly building the Primaris)
Dorn lives!
For Rynn's world!
He could be locked in a chaos daemon cycle like Draigo. Maybe when the warp grab him it closed before he could get his hand through. Or maybe the eldar saved him with a webway portal and he helping them build a new webway system because the emperor plan was to have a webway system
Well if he is not dead the most likely places Dorn could be.... 1. Captured by the Tau and being held in stasis and studied. 2. Living in exile somewhere cause he grew tired and wanted solitude. 3.He has been wearing modded centurion armor and being the great shut in of all time in the imperial palace
Ever since Boldermorts guide to 40k did his 3 part vids on Dorn. I WANT him to be alive.
Your lord Centuri-Bear is just napping with Kitten and Big-E
I believe that Rogal Dorn is alive and currently with Omegon. But there is also a theory that Alpha Legion is a Loyalist Astartes who tries to prevent Empire's destruction by keeping them on their toes at all times. (40k theories vid.)
Rogal Dorn and Omagon try to re-stabilize warp and the materium in some way.
he's probably wandering the imperium, fortifying one imperial world at a time.
but according to some rummors, he is in disguise as a centurion and wandering the imperial palace.
Uncle Rogal lives.
Even if his body is lifeless and broken, the Seventh Primarch, the Praetorian, the Emperor's crusader, lives.
In here.
_points to the hearts of the nearest Imperial Fist_
Better not be 10 min of "no body no death"
THIS IS HOLLYWOOD.
Dorns head hangs from omegons throne and is often used as a football for entertainment
Oh, I know where Dorn is.
Floating in the void where traitor marines deposited what was left of his body after they thoroughly mutilated it.
Nah, chaos marines would be gloating with it to everyone else.
His armour may be held by Omecron but his head is mounted on a spike on the planet Medrenguard.