ROGAL DORN VS ALPHARIUS
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
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Here it is... today we are looking at the events of Rogal Dorn vs Alpharius! Primarch vs Primarch. And oh what a fantastic encounter it is!
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Really strange how Alpharius, known for trickery, is properly dead, but Rogal Dorn, paragon of truth, has tricked everyone into thinking he's dead.
Alpharius's final victory.
Is he dead though?
@@hobbitsis2102 Forn or Alpharius.
If you're referring to Alpharius... yes he is dead.
Dorn: "It came to me in a revelation."
Maybe Dorn ran it through his head and figured out Alpharius was actually desperately trying to play it straight with him in their fight and went to go find out what Alpharius knew.
His legion has about as much subtlety as a Thunderhammer, but Rogal is fucking slick himself. Dorn tells Alpharius he knows his spies and agents and can find and kill them during the Crusade. Dorn then tells Alpharius a more efficient way he could have accomplished his goal with deceit and psychological warfare. Spy Master Dorn is not something you think of but how else is he getting the information? He's got an intelligence operation going on the side that must rival Alpharius and Malcador and no one, not even own his legion seems to know or talk about it. Like Damn Dorn, when did you put that together?
Dang...Dorn one shot killed a terminator with a chainsword.
Calling Storm's Teeth a "chainsword" is like calling The Phalanx a space boat. I mean, you're not wrong, but Storm's Teeth is too heavy for even Dorn to lift with one arm.
@@xeonespydonum4995 of course...still cool to hear.
Well.. he is a Primarch. I mean.. if SM-s are super human, than Primarchs are ultra humans.
They can think and memorize information that is unthinkable/unimaginable for normal humans.
Their strenght, their mind, their capability? Their weaponry and armor? Unmatched.
Only the Emperor stands above them.
MamboJambo and malcador lol
@@Kareszkoma and sly marbo
I’ve never played a 40k in my life but the lore is amazing. I can’t stop listening this. I really like this Channel, you do a good job!!
Play space marine. 2011 release. It's good.
@@phantasmo9998 Battlefleet Gothic1 and 2 are nice too Warhammer Fantasy even has the best Total War titles ever with Total War: Warhammer I and II
@@Abb0able also good.
Thats great, because guess what? This is 30k! 30k sets the stage for the events of 40k, ten thousand years later.
@@praetoriandorn3154 Wow took the trouble to point that out?
>Dorn stood above him and the spear was suddenly as still as his brother loomed above him, a sculpture of vengeance cast in gold.
Holy shit.
I am fortifying this comment section.
Reinforcement are on route! DROP PODs AWAY!!!
I will reinstall the imperial palace.
Dorne: I killed Alpharius!
*enter cutscene*
*boss healthbar regenerates*
*boss name changes to Omegon*
@Black Templar Astartes AND when you beat the Phase 2....... 2 more health bar appears.... Boom both Brothers xD "god dammit"
Then he'd look at *Dorn's* health bar and subsequently panic.
Dorn still killed Alpharius and he’s the only primarch to kill another primarch which makes him a badass
Julian Hasan didn’t fulgrim Kill Ferrus?
Clash With Saber yes
"I wasn't an X fanboy until I read Y"
>entire black library cast of characters
One would think it gets old after a while, but holy shit it just keeps going like that.
There's just so many good characters
Alpharius:"Brother we need to discuss t--"
Dorn:"Fire"
me: *goosebumps*
The virgin Alpharius vs the Chadtastically T H A D Rogal Dorn
That was Alphy pulling the "Mom, dad, let me explain..." card when they already knew what happened and what you did.
The best!
@@Dillpickle1997 Well actually it was virgin Omegon vs Chad Dorn
Real chad loyalist Alpharius was watching from afar as we know by recent lore.
I think that Alpharius knew that he was going to die, honestly. He was a bit of a nihilist, compared to Omegron. He was as stubborn, in his own way, as Dorn.
I think it was more that he legitimately underestimated Dorn.
With the exception of Horus, most of the traitor Primarchs tended to look down on the others to some degree of another. I think this was captured best in the Brothers of War interlude where both, nominally, loyal legions are taking part in the same compliance. Dorn understands that, while bloody, a traditional conquest to demonstrate to the people why they _couldn't_ win by crushing their armies had more value than leaving them wondering 'why did we lose?"
Both breed resentment in the conquered people, but being crushed by the more powerful foe is something our animal nature can grasp. Being utterly outclassed and handily defeated has a measure of catharsis to it, it means the conclusion was foregone. But with Alpharius' duplicitous assassinations it leaves a population wondering if they _might_ have been able to pull it out in the eleventh hour if not for the other side "cheating" and most certainly leaves the former authority figure of the planet filled with a seething hatred that might later be fomented into rebellion whereas a soundly defeated population will have the "remember what happened last time" as a hedge against an uprising until they can be integrated with the conquering culture/civilization.
At face value, if Alpharius was acting under the aegis of being a loyalist, it would mean he had a very poor read on the longitudinal aspects of human/group psychology. Rogal at least gives Alpharius credit for understanding the psychology behind a definitive victory, Alpharius discredit's Rogal's understanding of his methods which is exposed when Rogal points out how the tactic employed by the Alpha Legion was flawed given its core premise.
In the end, Alpharius assumed he'd have Dorn chasing his own tail and was, in turn, played by Dorn's own misdirection when he out Alpha Legioned the Alpha Legion by giving the illusion he was taking a bunch of forces out of the Solar System to strike at the enemy and, in turn, snatching the moment of victory from the Alpha Legion's gasp.
GentlemanBystander well done👏🏻 this was actually really well put together. I had to screenshot this for some interesting conversations.
Of course he knew he was going to die. He is physically smaller and weaker. He says as much when he meets with Horus. Technically he is only half a Primarch.
@@GentlemanBystander
Also Dorn is quite the schemer himself.
As revealed in the custodes short story "blood games", Dorn has a secret network of spies working for him on terra that even the Custodes wasn't aware of.
Since the emperors finest sons find a mole inside terras most powerful elite with connections to the vengeful spirit. Later and much to their surprise it turns out to be a double agent working for Rogal Dorn himself. Fooling the warmaster into thinking he was to be a traitor in trade for information.
@@GentlemanBystander In the anthology Blood of the Emperor, there's a short story called the Coucil of Truth. In it, Alpharius is questioned by his Alpha Legion about tactics that he used. He was criticized by Guilliman and the council is reviewing his actions. If you read it, you really get a sense of Alpharius' arrogance over his brothers. He is disdainful of Guilliman, saying that Guilliman has accomplished little and is inflexible.
I always thought Malcador, Alpherius and Ormagon were working together. He truly wanted to say something. Something... important.
Mike Cat would not surprise me. Malcador is a master at espionage, and so are Alpha legion.
Very bittersweet for Alpharius.
Remember malcador playing out the heresy with the tarot and regicide game. If Dorn ever struck out with his legion from Terra the twins would turn traitor openly and take Terra.
@@Sumzja warp prediction is as unpredictable as they come, the Cabal made a prediction and they were a big group of perpetuals, and yet eventhough the Legion made its choice it didnt come true.
Eldars can see the future doesnt mean it comes true, Malcador and the Emperor made plans fir the Primarchs and never predicted Chaos would try to catch them.
The tarot is just a metaphoric heresy a possible future especially when Chaos was undivided
@@Freedmoon44 after reading the latest SoT, seems like the cabal either mislead or were completely fooled into thinking wiping the human race would save the galaxy. Because from what it sounds like, chaos wiping out humanity would birth another Chaos god; Malice? Like something the eldars experienced, wouldn’t they have known…
Rogal Dorn: I have finally killed you Alpharius!
Alpharius: Did you really tho?
Yes yes he did. Omegon confirms this.
Wasn't their previous meeting meant to establish that Dorn can tell Alpharius from his legionnaires?
@@texasallstar6969 I'm still really convinced that it wasn't Alpharius that was killed by Dorn tho. Yes, I know in the books that after Dorn slayed Alpharius, Omegon then took his twin brother's place and posed as Alpharius.
@@asakura8329 the author has confirmed it. not to mention the fight itself. no alpha legion warrior could have taken dorn to the brink. it 100% was him.
@@texasallstar6969 yes but the problem is Alpharius was not in Alpharius. He had mind switched already with his harrow master. The bright light could have been the destruction of Alpharius's body.
Fantastic video, and so good to see someone else understand this fight and that Archamus had no impact on the fight.
One thing I will add is that Dorn tanking Alpharius' spear strike is also foreshadowed earlier in the book when Dorn does a similar move against the Giant Orks, he tanks a direct strike from one before smashing Storm's Teeth's pommel repeatedly into its face and then judo throwing it back into the on coming Orks. He literally fights like a caged hurricane. He's defo up there as one of the best all rounder fighters of the Primarchs imo
He really does come across well in this book. Can't wait to see Dorn face off with some more of his brothers during the siege!
They really do a good job portraying him as he was suppose to be. He was the defender, the fortifier. He was the "unmovable object" of the primarchs. He took hits at times instead of simply dodging everything because he was the primarch tank. Where other primarchs would have been staggered, hurt, or thrown off balance, Dorn shrugs it off. He knows this will then rebound on others, temporarily throwing them off and that is when he delivers the killing blow. In short when you finally think you have Dorn "beat" that is when you are in the most danger because he doesn't react the same as the others in a fight.
@@wolflordrho I must know what the choir music in the background is called! Do you have a link????
@@zjjohnson3827 It is from the game called Mechanicus. I think it is "Children of the Omnissiah". If not you can always find it if you search for Mechanicus music on the youtube :) (Great game by the way!)
This type of stuff makes me sad Ferrus died so early and got no spotlight to be badass
He had an epic spotlight. His fight with fulgrim is too epic. In the mix of all the carnage of the battle on Istvaan V the two closest brother fight. Obiwan/Ani fight level tragic.
Ferrus had to die early, if Ferrus had a chance to lead any actual offenses, he would have ended at least 2 traitor primarchs himself. The only chance the traitors had was to take out Ferrus in an ambush. I'd say that and what we saw of him before the Heresy prove his status.
@@xeonespydonum4995 could you elaborate or have books you'd recommend?
@@ryanpennington8108 Not only did the traitors stoop to an ambush, they were sure to pit Ferrus against Fulgrim, his closest friend. They needed him to hesitate, even without time to prepare. The Gorgon was a ruthless machine at eye's glance, ready to slay the worst the galaxy had to throw at him, even unarmed. However, he was far more human than his gleaming metal hands let on, and Fulgrim didn't need much hesitation. Sadly, there aren't many books on The Iron Hands, let alone in the Great Crusade era.
@@xeonespydonum4995 this makes me wonder considering Ferrus didn’t wear the full power armor gauntlets and fist around his arms and that he didn’t have his helmet on in his battle would his outcome with fulgrim be any different? We already know power armor and fibre muscle massively increase already super human astartes strength but for a primarch that especially has necrodermis? He could just bitch slap anyone even until his armor on his hands breaks
Dorn is the most awesome Primarchs in my opinion - the consummate soldier and general. No BS, No ulterior motive. He is what a space marine should be.
a mindless, and predictable warrior? not so awesome to be. He has one thing going for him really, whereas some other primarchs have what Dorn has to an extent, and much more
@The Old One , That's not saying much. Alpharius is physically smaller and weaker than the other Primarchs. They, Alpharius or Omegon, say as much when they stand before Horus. The real question is why would he go toe to toe with another Primarch. They have established multiple times the Primarchs can sense each other. Your smaller, weaker, slower and can not hide. . . Why fight?
I love dorn to but the lion is still my guy.
@@johansmifthelry9307 mindless? Predictable? Those two would make him an easy prey for alpha... But hey it's you who make sense apparently lmao. I'm not saying he's the best as guilly has what he has plus more but he's by no means mediocre as you picture him to be
In your opinion yes, objectively? Not even close, cuz u kinda just described jakatai khan, he has pretty much overcome every battle he's fought, made the right decisions nearly always, definitely alot more than other primarchs, he has some of the best if not the best lines of any primarch in terms of wisdom and he is also the only primarch to actually approach the idea of "loyalist primarch" in the most reasonable way, as far as no bs, no ulterior motives, all around great general goes? yh thats the khan
The only real mistake Alpharius made was listening to the eldar. An i do not think Dorn would have mistaken anyone else for Alpharius
Nicholas Clegg Indeed, never listen to Eldar.
I like the eldar too. Maybe they did it to balance the siege of terra a bit more (so that both sides wipe each other out)
@@ObjectiveMedia well they turned Alpharius years before and for a specific reason that never came to pass. The ultimate spy master got sold lies and believed it
@@RISCBetting Alpharius "you cant trick the master tricker" God of laughter "oH ReAlLy?"
The Cabal were made up multiple xenos but anywho, the vision they gave to Alpharius/Omegon ended up being true if Horus would lose. They weren't wrong about Humanity dying would defeat Chaos. Big E himself even said the same and has the Samson Option to destroy Terra and forever defeating Chaos.
Alpharius: Brother!
Dorn: Swords not words!
Can confirm the audiobook is absolutely phenomenal. Jonathan Keeble doing as great of work narrating as he always does.
Your excitement while reading is absolutely infectious. Reignites my fever for Horus Heresy story telling.
KEEP DOING THESE THINGS
This and the last video changed my ranking of Rogal Dorn compared to the other primarchs. Before these. Rogal was near the bottom of my favorite primarchs. Now he is near the top. Close to Sanguinius. It is amazing to me how just 2 scenes can inject so much character and personality. Before he seemed like a simple obedient lap dog to the Emperor. Now he seems like a paragon of virtue. Before he seemed like someone who just hide behind walls. Now he seems like one of the greatest strategic masters. Kept close to home, like the Adeptus Custodies.
Rogal Dorn is a BEAST !! GAMESWORKSHOP BRING BACK ROGAL DORN TO THE TABLE TOP!!
He will, if ever, be one of the last to ever come back...hes too bland..like a even less flavored Roboute Gilliman and he cracked after terra and got wrecked by his better ..Peturabo...straight slapped his caution striped d**k across dorns face and Papa Smurf had to save him
he is though for forge world's horus heresy
Nofux Givvins lol fuckin a bro hahaha
Nofux Givens everything you said was either false or stupid.
Anzu Wyliei i don’t think dorn was goaded at all. The way it is written is that they had to attone for their sins and this was the way to do it. Typical IW nonsense when they can’t handle that they failed at destroying the fists with literally every possible advantage. Couldn’t have hurt the Imperial fists that bad considering they were able to have 4 successor chapters.
When you think about it, my man Dorn is the ONLY loyalist primarch that scored kill on a traitor* primach. Curze being killed by assassin and Horus by Emperor. Let that sink in.
*yeah I'm not going in to this debate about Alpha Legion, no thank you.
Russ has killed 2. Confirmed by Russ and Magnus. That is his and the wolves purpose. To kill the others of they get out of line.
@@Ashtor1337 that’s not actually confirmed. Fun fact, The lost primarchs aren’t actually confirmed to be dead. Yeah, it’s hinted and implied but they are generally referred to as “lost”, not dead. Another fun fact: A new custodes codex revealed that there is a being in dark cells known as “Subject XI” or subject 11. With some other teases in the lore, it’s entirely possible the primarch of the 11th legion is actually being imprisoned in the dark cells
Rogal Dorn reminds me as being so similar to Judge Dredd. Maybe cast from a specific archetypal mold. Dorn is clearly a far nobler interpretation if so. Judge Dredd being more Grim-dark like Batman.
You think batman is more grimdark than judge dredd?
@@ethanstaaf404 Quote him saying that.
Interesting Series. You should do a video on Garro bringing news of Horus and the betrayal to Royal Dorn and his subsequent reaction to this. One of the best scenes of the Heresy Books. Another one you could do is Dorn disowning Sigismund.
Honestly the news of isstvan via the astropathic choir, I believe in Outcast Dead, was a more epic news event in it's presentation.
Rest well Omegon. You were a loyal son of the Emperor.
Dorn is a legit gangster for that entrance. Love it.
How not to hesitate
"Primarch-Progenitor, to your glory and the glory of him on earth!"
Its a shame Alpharius and the Khan have few recorded interactions, I think those two would have gotten along well and been fast allies.
Yep. A conversation between those 2 would definitely be worth listening to.
Heh
The Khan
Heh
Fast
I feel so bad about this. They shouldn't have fought. This feels so wrong. They are Primarchs. They stand so close and so far from each other. What a great book!
I have been an Alpha legion fan for years. I loved the idea of Space marines working like the CIA or Mossad. Thinking up all the crazy conspiracy's that Alpharius and the Alpha Legion might be up to. This book killed all my enthusiasm, it turns out that Apharius was just some shlep that got killed 10 thousand years ago. I guess no one was Alpharius.
That's what they want you to believe :D
Joel Craig I fully agree with you. I didn’t like this book for this L Nigh shamilan twist
I don't think it was actually alpharius
@@jeremysiegel10 Sadly it was Alpharius. As fun, interesting, and in all actuality, good (seeing as how he was tricked into joining chaos in an attempt to destroy it), as Alpharius was, it was him and he died. There is the other half to this story from Omegon's perspective. Alpharius and Omegon were linked to each other to the point they could sense each other in some way. Before anyone in the Alpha legion knew what happened, Omegon knew that his twin brother had died through their connection. You read it from his perspective, so it's not just posturing picked up by one of the Alpha legionaries. When Alpharius dies Omegon realizes internally that he is, for the first time, actually alone. Their connection is not something they can trick or fake (and why would Alpharius want to?). So unfortunately it was Alpharius. Also, no one, but another Primarch could hold their own like that against another Primarch. The Primarchs where just leagues above even the best champions of the legions. I am a Lion fan, but Alpharius is hands down my second favorite Primarch. When I read this I hoped that he hadn't _really_ died, but then I read Omegon's perspective, which confirms it. On the other hand Omegon and Alpharius are kinda one and the same, so even though Alpharius dies, Omegon lived at least until he fought Bobby G (don't know if this is actually confirmed though and might be an actual fake out).
Hey don't be sad... He keeps up the I am alpharius for 10000 years. Rogal gets his hands chopped off and dies or hides for that time. And after all the sweet spy nonsense alpharius did and the fact he's a twin did you not think they were gonna kill him or omegon? Or line trooper 223563?...and considering I'm Alpharius and so can you I wouldn't sweat it.
Bwahahahaha! This is marvelous. Everyone keeps saying, making very specific note, of how dead Alpahrius is.
The sheer level of Alpharius's deception knows no bounds. No limits. It even permeates through the 4th wall into the minds of writers and therein, coiled into the mindsets of all who look upon their works. Repeating and bellowing the cries of the death of the hydras head. Stoking the flames of his resurgence.
As an avid and practiced writer, I pride myself on recognizing good writing.
Consequently, I must say, those sentences regarding the spear thrust of Alpharius were simply amazing. Profoundly poetic.
The very pinnacle of precise, practical, and imaginative writing.
I've been writing for decades, yet that description was so far beyond me, I am lost in its beauty.
I just imagine Dorn going through the fight in his head like Sherlock Holmes in the Robert Downey Jr movie
Alpharius: Now, now to people can play this game
Such a grand video, Rho. Your work is so very appreciated. Thank you for the quality content.
Rogal Dorn; Chad of Terra
Dillpickle 1997 🤨
You sir, just got another subscriber!
Your narration of a specific segment of primarchs has you up there with other RUclipsrs. ItalianSpartacus for one! Plus the only feeling that I had from the entire battle was just sadness.
Sadness that Rogal was forced to steel his emotions as he killed his brother even if they never got along. The with Alpharius since he believed that what he was doing was beneficial to mankind, as shown when he faced Dorn and said that he was willing to give him the victory here. Of his own volition no less...
The Horus Heresy was truly a breaking moment for all involved.
Dorn is basically The Punisher.
Konrad Curze : Hold my beer
@@connorb2112 You mean that wimp that could only win full equiped with weapons and armor angainst Dorn who had none of that? ;)
@@fullgreys0n738 Curze would have killed the Lion if not for one of the Lion's son. and we all know that the Lion is on par with Russ and Sanguinis
@@chaptermastermoloc4171 I don't think that this is so easly compareble. But what is clear, that a figth against an unarmed man is nothing to be proud of.
@@fullgreys0n738 Curze pummeled and bashed Lion's head to the ground, if not for Dark angel marine that save Lion.
Awesome stuff!! The battle art is one of my absolute favorites too! Was not a fan of Dorn, then I listened to the audio book Praetorian of Dorn and became a big fan of French and Dorn. Great story and amazing fight! Thanks for sharing and discussing.
Guy Haley is such a good writer I agree on that. The first thing I think of if I hear his name is the audio book "prophets of waaagh".
After that I wanted more of his content.
But here I want to mention how you read and support the scene with background music is pure asmr to me. More please, I need to check more of ya videos.
So I am listening to this book right now. Your channel is almost always how I decide which HH books I get to listen to at work. This scene is the reason I bought the book.
2 years later and this is still epic!
Well read and great commentary. Dorn is fast becoming my favourite Primarch.
Just randomly came back to this video. This entire passage is absolutely amazing!
Alpharius has always been a weasel. Dorn, the exact opposite. Dorn wasn’t about to entertain his talk. Not a chance. This primarch fight was excellent, imo tied for the best with the final Lion vs. Curze fight.
Not a weasel Alpharius didn't want to kill Dorn. He wanted to tell him some extremely important. But Dorn is stubborn and inflexible to a fault and kills Alpharius before he can speak. I personnes believe he was gonna reveal the plan of infiltrating the traitors from the inside but Dorn fucks it up cause he's a rock brain
Wow that was freaking Awesome. Great Narration.
It feels like they had no idea what to do with Alpharius and they just threw him away. The Primarch of assassins and spies would easily have had a better end game plan than this, and would have known better than to try and engage Dorn in open combat. Alpharius deserved a much better send off in my opinion.
I love how impatient dorn is for monologuing. His enemy can be chatting away to him and he'll deliver his next strike without hesitation
I love how excited you get about the stories, makes it more enjoyable :)
Wolf, I love your content. A long time fan of 40k universe I've turned the corner to family and responsibilities that take up to much time to devote to my Hobby. Revisiting some of these great encounters with your videos has been a joy. Maybe a bonus video or a character study on Loken? Or a video on the duality of man, how right and wrong aren't always black and white. That was the real appeal for me through the heresy series. Thx man keep them coming..
Oh, an Dorn ftw.. would be great to get him back..
Alpharius seriously under-estimated Dorn. everyone under-estimates Dorn
Perturabo didn't though, he played Dorn like a fiddle before he ascended to Demonhood.
other way. Dorn seriously under estimated Alpharius, yet again, just like the readers
johan smifthelry that book was amazing, Dorn and Alpharius BOTH underestimated each other in that.
Underrated channel, I really like your content. One of the few 40k commentators without an annoying voice. Nice choice of background music as well. Subscribed.
Thank you, that “recap”, was sooooo good!
Really enjoying your channel, my dude. Keep up the good work.
i am fortifying this position!
another great video Rho the background music goes well with your voice what is the music
it's the soundtrack to the Mechanicus computer game.
just wish he could pronounce th
Very nicely readed I'll have to by the book now 😁
Dorn is a beast. Fist-bumper for life. My first and favorite army.
I wonder why the alpha Legion wasn't rushing Dorn after he cut his arms off
Because they aren't space wolves of course!
Because they are Alpharius, so one Alpharius dying makes little difference. Just have two more Alpharii take his place.
The Galaxy was wide enough for Dorn and Alpharius.
Part of me wonders what Alpharius was trying to tell Dorn. Dorn, of course, couldn't risk a moment's hesitation so his focus and will had to be absolute. A bad calculation on Alpharius' part but still, why the risk? Was it worth it trying to reason with Dorn?
K S alpharius knew that humanity dying meant chaos dying, so if humanity loses, so does chaos. I’m pretty sure the emperor knew this too
@@fmbrown8566 that doesnt sound like victory for humanity though.
If that was what Alpharius wanted to say to Dorn then it would have been as Dorn never heard them at all.
Jamescawl still the truth tho
@@fmbrown8566 But do you expect that Dorn and Loyalists would just then lay down their arms waiting for death?
It is "A" truth, but there are many truths during the Horus Heresy and humanity doesnt need to listen to the xenos interpretation of truths.
Jamescawl I didn’t say they should, they definitely shouldn’t. I would continue to fight in their shoes. But that is a truth and a important one, because even if chaos manages to win in the end, they would have lost too. But that’s no reason to just let it happen, because there are other possibilities to defeat chaos
Let's remember this critical point: Dorn did not attack, he simply his fortified towards the enemy
"he simply his fortified towards the enemy"
Sorta random. But if Rogal Dorn does return do you think he will be gifted the emperors power claw?
If he does return he's going to punch Guiliman into the ground because of what happened to the Imperial Fists Chapter during the War of the Beast
Chapter Master Marneus Calgar wouldn’t be the first time guiliman got a cheapshot by one of his brothers for a previous altercation. Monarchia ring a bell lord Calgar?
I think a reformed Fulgrim clone will get it. The regent's sword to the lord regent, the claw of the emperor to the falcon of the emperor. The two eagles of the aquila (Phoenician and "Roman") reforging the Imperium for a new age.
I see Dorn's role as the man on the wall, the final line of defense against oblivion. When the throne falters, the gate will open and Terra will face an incursion of Chaos like none before. Make no mistake, Dorn will hold the line, not giving an inch.
This dude needs more subs !!! Binge watch session !!!
I still have trouble believing that Alpharius would agree with the Cabal that the right thing to do was to sacrifice the entire human race in order to starve the chaos gods.
what music is used in the background? Sounds epic :)
Almost 1K subscribers, Good job Wolf Lord Rho.
thanks to all of you the subscribers :)
the thing is dorn can be reasoned with, people often say he can't be when they're offering what is antithetical to reason to him as if it were reason.
Just a note I listened to the audiobook and it was very good; Jonathan Keeble is my 2nd favorite narrator right behind Gareth Amstrong.
Ahhh they got Keeble for this one? Count me in. His voice is like fine wine
I can't help but see a few parallels between Alpharius and Dooku's death. Both lose their hands at the wrist and both lose their head, yes in different directions, but you gotta agree there's some similarities.
Having played Dorn on the table top I know what a beast he can be in combat. My old friendship group used to play big 3 vs 3 battles and even did a Primarch-off to see who could take the most hits, and despite my usual fluffed to wound rolls, Dorn stood his ground against most of them. How I'd love for those days to return, though this time I may just have 2 Primarch's to bring to the table.
YOU ARE AN EXCELLENT NARRATOR!
I think by the end of the year if you keep this up you might have 50k subs maybe 100 crazy to think man.
I think this may have been one of the first of your vids I found... listening again! I would love to see some flash back scene where alpharius and omegon fought side by side...
That is the Imperium I remember. Not the rotting carcass of a shattered empire that I woke up to...
I have always thought that Alpharius was a bad a$$. Initially they potrayed him as less capable that his brother Primarchs, always fighting in the shadows, using tactics not in favor of others. It is true, the way he was is because he was designed that way. Well there is still one of the twins alive. Great video!
Hey! super nice content, can you please put up a review on books, and what order to read them in etc, a compilation of good books, and please put up the books you reference from in the text for easier google searches.
I'm going to ask in every video of yours lol they're fantastic to listen to but I must know where Did you obtain the background calming music?
If you think about it, Alpharius put up a damn good fight against Dorn, considering Dorn's reputation.
But the thing is, the Alpha Legion has twin Primarchs, if they ever fought together while Alpharius was alive they would have been unstoppable
I think there's a reason Omegon didn't help Alpharius 👀
That what doesn't make sense. Alpharius knew he was smaller and weaker than the rest of the Primarchs. Him trying to go one on one is just stupid...
"It WaS nOt AlPhArIuS" I am fine with it being Omegon. But people legit think a Space Marine could be able to fight a Primarch like that.
Alpha Legion. If there is ONE legion thats capable of gifting the physical ability of their primarch temporarly to some Astartes its them, and their skills overrall would be very great in order to fake being their primarch, also BS xeno spear, its probably one of the few weapons that could actually one hit a primarch in the hands of anyone wielding it and managing to stick the primarch with the right end of the weapon and not just another primarch with their strenght that would be enough to tear each others apart
@@Freedmoon44 Being able to match the martial skill of a Primarch, and strength of a Primarch is entirely different. Kharn got backhand slapped and flew off screen by Dorn like he was a fly. Kharn who was respected amongst all Legions and acknowledged as the greatest Warrior amongst the Astartes. Was battered away like nothing, without Dorn even having to look at him. And he wielded a Primarch's weapon. So, I see your arguement, I acknowledge it. But no, I do not buy it.
This reminds me of the Viper vs The mountain in Game of Thrones. I so hoped alpharius would win but just like the viper, he had to focus on talking instead of killing
Could this be because, like the Viper, Alpharius had goals other than killing his opponent?
The old Jorah Mormont tactics from game of thrones. Tank the superior combatant when he looses his weapon then spank him...
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Yeah that’s an amazing scene.
this book was weird. The character of Alpharius was not very consistent with earlier depictions in Legion. The book wants us to think that he can orchestrate espionage so subtle and intricate that it is basically anime evil genius level, yet he seems to have no actual plan when he confronts his brother at the end. As a big fan of Legion, i couldn't help but feel that the last quarter of this book was pretty disappointing. as cool as the fight was, Alpharius's plans seemed pretty crap. All the same story beats could have been achieved without making him a joke. When Fulgrim thought he could corrupt Ferrus, there was some kind of reason for him to think that. These two primarchs have no emotional connection really to play upon, so he is a fool to try the tactic he ended up using. He could have, say, rigged the whole floor of the room with charges to drop the entire temrinator squad several floors down and then rain fire on them in the wreckage from above. the confrontation would have made more sense, and Dorn's underling already on the station could have intervened to give Dorn an opening to strike him down when he had already thought he had victory.
Unless he planned to die. Alpharius and Omegon are smaller and weaker than the other Primarchs. They admitted as much when they stood before Horus. They were never ment to go toe to toe with their siblings.
He came to die to reveal the flaws in Dorn's fortifications.
"Fire" *chills*
I really need to read this in its entirety. Without the knowledge of what transpired here previously Rogal comes off to me as the villain. For Alpharius attempted to reason with him throughout the entire encounter. Yet Rogal refuses to listen. I listened to your previous video of their meeting and without the lore in its entirety Rogal motivation seems only that he disapproves of the methods of his brother. Was Alpharius already on the warmasters side after Horus had turned to chaos? But even so it just comes off as murder not justice. No opportunity to turn back to the emperor. As you always say the only way to get the most out of the lore is to read it for yourself. And in addition to that I’d add fully comprehend it all. I see another black library purchase in my near future!!!
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One of the few Primarchs to kill another primarch. Dorn had that position fortified AF. Always thought Alpharius was kinda lame. This proves it.
Alpharius is the kind of guy who pulled a few dirty tricks and now believes he is the smartest being in the room. While he is is clever his ego and need to be acknowledged makes him predictable and that is why Rogal Dorn defeats him.
This video made me truly appreciate Dorn and his stoic nature.
Rogal Dorn's Colossal Chainblade, the book.
Back from the dead lads.
Regarding the block attempt, by Dorns wingman, it's quite obvious that it was written to convey two points:
1) The power of the Primarchs is well beyond him (the wingman.) He swung with all his might, and he recoiled as if struck by lightning.
2) Though he wasn't strong enough to even redirect the thrust, the energy that went into him, sending him reeling, is energy that didn't go into Dorn!
Hence, his effort wasn't in vain, not entirely.
Instead of the blow landing into Dorn with 25,000 LBs of momentum, it only landed with 15,000-20,000 LBs, etc.
Rogal Dorn is a very black and white primarch.
If Dorn and Horus had changed places ie down been made the warmaster would things have turned out the same?
Wolf Lord .... So Dorn took off Alpharius' arms/hand.... would it be a good theory to say that the Alpha legion have Dorn prisoner and that they left his hand behind as a message of vengance to his sons??
Only if Alpharious wouldn't have believed the Cabal. They lied to him.
MamboJambo Did they?
No? Yes? I don't think they were "right".. While not necessarily purposeful, they played into the hands of chaos.
Kinda late asking this, but what book was this transcript from? Thanks in advance.
What is that song in the background!!?
I struggle with this ending to Alpharius. It makes sense that Dorn is infallible and is committed to taking him down. However, Alpharius' goal is to defeat Chaos. Perhaps insight from his brother could have changed his path in that instance and made Alpharius rejoin the loyalists. It is likely a product of the brutality of the Warhammer 40k Universe. Alpharius' ending seems almost as brutal as what Horus did to Sanguinius.
The thing is, this is but the first death of "Alpharius". Alpharius is killed like, what, 10 times in novels? It is established that he is loyal and the actions of his Legion are to enable the Emperor's plan. The Alpha Legion is also shown as doing soul switching and other shenanigans to make every legionaire be the Primarch. The final scene with Omegon feels like a cop out to establish that Alpharius is dead and that it's canon.
Why didn't they leave it ambiguous. Stupid fucking move. It would have been so much better
Pretty sure based on the recent book called Head of the Hydra that it turns out that my brother Omegon met his end here.
dorn was absolutely right to open fire instantly........dont listen to what this snake have to say .alpharius would have talked dorn to change sides.but i like the alpha legion,their art of war and their absolutely nice colourpattern.