How Did the Slavs Come to the Balkans? Early States and Roman Response

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  • Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025

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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  Месяц назад +110

    Imagine coming to the Balkans willingly. Classic mistake. You can watch everything from a safe distance by becoming our member ruclips.net/channel/UCMmaBzfCCwZ2KqaBJjkj0fwjoin or patron : www.patreon.com/kingsandgenerals and watch 200+ exclusive videos!

    • @3_am___
      @3_am___ Месяц назад +28

      @@KingsandGenerals Balkan hospitality is renowned in the world, you must come and see it for yourself, we can be unhinged but rakija can fix that 😀

    • @st3019
      @st3019 Месяц назад +1

      Why can’t I find my comments?!

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Месяц назад +18

      @@3_am___ I had some of my rakija. Let's not do that again :-)

    • @zagrepcanin82
      @zagrepcanin82 Месяц назад

      Kingdom of Serbia in 8th and 9th century???? Are you crazy??? there was no Serbia till 1217!!!!! it didnt exist!!! why are you fabricating history? and there was no Diklja....Duklja(Doclea) existed and was part of Kingdom of Croatia which is today Montenegro. so you put it on the wrong place.
      the region which you portrayed wrongly as Diklja is where Raška(Rascia) was located and was also part of Croatia since it was županija of the kingdom,county so to speak. Kingom was divided in 5 banovinas(municipalities) each ruled by Ban(viceroy) and each banovina was divided into županijas(counties). when Croatian Bulgar war occurred in early 10th century,Great Župan of Raška,Zaharija Pribislavov,fled to the royal court in Biograd city to let the king know that kingdom is under attack! in those days it would take 2 day horse ride to deliver the news....distance is about 400km,well air distance is...if you consider that many forests were there and roads were scarce it is safe to presume distance that would need to be covered would be far greater than 400km. Kingdom was at it highest all the way to the half of Albania near city of Durres....in fact,Duklja was Županija of Arbanas Banovina....but Holy See elevated Duklja to kingom later so it got independence from Croatia. Montenegrins still to this day consider themselves more closer to us than serbs.
      As i wrote on the top, Serbia didnt exist nor was the kingdom before 1217!!!

    • @SYOTOSVLOG
      @SYOTOSVLOG Месяц назад +8

      Hey! I am Rusyn; (Ruthenians) primarily from vojvodina serbia in a small town of ruski krstur. My family and i were sponsored by a priest in Saskatchewan where hundreds of families immigrated there to a town called North Battleford. Thank you for doing this documentary! was nice to see my ethnicity being mentioned.

  • @rubatsch1713
    @rubatsch1713 Месяц назад +1181

    Getting my popcorn ready for the respectful comments

    • @3_am___
      @3_am___ Месяц назад +93

      Same blood, same people, divided by idiotic believes

    • @pollog9328
      @pollog9328 Месяц назад +27

      Like Serbia IS Albania 😂😂😂

    • @perfectmazda3538
      @perfectmazda3538 Месяц назад

      @@pollog9328 the only difference between serbia and albania is religion and language... the rest is the same, both are barbaric tribes and have no manners but only insults...

    • @3_am___
      @3_am___ Месяц назад +34

      @@pollog9328 you proved my point

    • @user-McGiver
      @user-McGiver Месяц назад +15

      @@3_am___ Nothing the same, or even similar...

  • @simecki4222
    @simecki4222 Месяц назад +582

    Slava to all brother Slavs from Croatia

    • @zigamz243
      @zigamz243 Месяц назад +17

      @@arnorrian1 Hrvat je tat. From Slovenia

    • @ban1176
      @ban1176 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@arnorrian1nah only Jesus broski

    • @LilyVain
      @LilyVain Месяц назад +12

      ​@@arnorrian1 What "perun and veles" they don't exist.
      Veles is literally a city in Macedonia 🇲🇰
      *Isus Hristos bless us all!* ☦️🙏

    • @arnorrian1
      @arnorrian1 Месяц назад

      @@ban1176 No thanks, I do not partake in Jewish sects.

    • @Dardan13
      @Dardan13 Месяц назад +5

      Yes...take popcorn and learn something about your history

  • @AngryCenturion576
    @AngryCenturion576 Месяц назад +200

    lol I’m seeing more “ohhh boi the comments section will be explosive” comments than I’m actually seeing actual explosive comments

    • @soul8938
      @soul8938 Месяц назад +1

      @@AngryCenturion576 true just serbs desperately denying the well documented slavic migration 😹😹

    • @Filip-dg6uk
      @Filip-dg6uk 18 дней назад +2

      Do not tempt me...

    • @khuntasaurus88
      @khuntasaurus88 18 дней назад

      Check by "newest" and you'll find them

    • @borisdemovic4904
      @borisdemovic4904 11 дней назад +1

      Explosive comments are being censored nowadays. Many times it's enough when your opinion is different than the one of the author of video or YT admin and you get deleted immediately.

  • @Vekhh
    @Vekhh Месяц назад +281

    That 3 brother motive is popular, I reminded myself my country's legend of Lech, Czech and Rus

    • @ЧарлијевДругар
      @ЧарлијевДругар Месяц назад

      Da, nastali ste od Srba

    • @VelikiHejter
      @VelikiHejter Месяц назад +16

      Same legend brother, just told from different perspectives.

    • @zagrepcanin82
      @zagrepcanin82 Месяц назад +15

      And they came from Croatia and founded Czechia Poland and Russia. And it is their legend...not Croatian

    • @Vekhh
      @Vekhh Месяц назад +5

      @@zagrepcanin82 of course. Noone said it was Croatian.

    • @heyhej1
      @heyhej1 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@zagrepcanin82 right ....except during those times Croatia didn't exist as an independent nation...🍻

  • @tisucitisin1
    @tisucitisin1 Месяц назад +113

    Thank you for covering South Slavs!

    • @aleksandarmilenkovic5861
      @aleksandarmilenkovic5861 Месяц назад +3

      That was some covering indeed!

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад

      JUGOSLAVIJOOO JUGO SLAVIJOOO xD^^ I RATARA I PASTIRA U FRULICU KAD ZASVIRA haha joj pisham se

    • @gj7710
      @gj7710 28 дней назад

      OK, now back to the north 😛

    • @tatjanavelkova5814
      @tatjanavelkova5814 23 дня назад +1

      @@markusbalbach7608 Yugoslavia before 30 years... end.

  • @branimirradosevic528
    @branimirradosevic528 Месяц назад +286

    As a slav from Slavonski Brod in slavonija i can say this is amazing video. Keep up the good work and slava to Kings and Generals :)

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Месяц назад +26

      Thanks!

    • @HeloisGevit
      @HeloisGevit Месяц назад +14

      Much slav

    • @kinglizard3406
      @kinglizard3406 Месяц назад +9

      Pozdrav iz Požege :)

    • @chokac1
      @chokac1 Месяц назад +4

      I never heard about this story but I am glad Zvonimir choose Dalmatia where I am living now ❤

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 24 дня назад +2

      #1 polluted city in the EU 💪💪💪

  • @suryakumarsharna3074
    @suryakumarsharna3074 Месяц назад +214

    Moment of appreciation for the effort the K&G team put in.

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Месяц назад +15

      Thanks!

    • @TheDuckaDiesel
      @TheDuckaDiesel Месяц назад +5

      Not enough effort apparently.
      Dioclea is not "proto-Serbia"... It's a separate Slavic state, with it's core around Scutari lake and Adriatic coast.
      Dioclea(named Zeta from 12th century onwards) was part of Serbia from 1182 to 1365, and from 1421 to around 1450, which is roughly 210 years, out of 800 years from it's emergence in 8th century until Ottoman conquest in 1499.
      Dioclea's successor is Montenegro, both geographically and demographically.

    • @Alex-mn1fb
      @Alex-mn1fb Месяц назад +9

      @@TheDuckaDiesel Nah, its a proto Serbian state, attested multiple times

    • @komnina99
      @komnina99 Месяц назад +9

      @@TheDuckaDiesel Duklja was inhabited by Serbs, the Nemanjic are originally from Duklja. Half of today's Serbs in Serbia are originally from Montenegro. Serbia and Montenegro are the same.

    • @marccan3267
      @marccan3267 Месяц назад

      @@komnina99 Not really, Slavic rulers of 10th century Dioclea were of "Lingones" tribe (Liesanska nahija bears their name), from Poland, Serbs lived far to the west. Slavic stock but diferent tribe. Serbian ruler class tookover Dioclea in early 11th century. After Albanians Montenegrins are closest mix of Slavs and Illiryans.

  • @matelula8424
    @matelula8424 Месяц назад +21

    thank you for video, nice work as always.. much love from Croatia for u and all Slavs around world and all good people

  • @KonradTamas
    @KonradTamas Месяц назад +101

    Much Love to Our Brothers and Sisters from the Balkans from Hungary !!!

    • @trailblazing2576
      @trailblazing2576 Месяц назад +6

      Hungarians are Huns originated from ancient Scythia

    • @mario-mk6gc
      @mario-mk6gc Месяц назад +5

      🇭🇷♥️🇭🇺

    • @jemand7488
      @jemand7488 Месяц назад +13

      Jokes aside, love to all Slavic brothers, from 🇦🇱

    • @freespiritable
      @freespiritable Месяц назад

      😑​@@jemand7488

    • @bashkimgjikokaj275
      @bashkimgjikokaj275 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@trailblazing2576Or Avatar.

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion Месяц назад +171

    Will there be a video about how Bosnia converted to Islam or how Austria-Hungary conquered and then rule Bosnia in the future? I would love to see them because they are quite such underrated topics in history.

    • @iratepirate3896
      @iratepirate3896 Месяц назад +38

      This. The Bosnian church and aristocrats were very interesting

    • @komnina99
      @komnina99 Месяц назад +37

      Bosnia has only been a majority Muslim country since 35 years ago, it had never been before that.
      The origin of Muslims in Bosnia is diverse. A large number are Muslims who moved there from the Principality of Serbia in the middle of the 19th century.
      There is also a large number of Muslims from the Habsburg Monarchy who fled across the Sava when the Ottoman Empire lost those territories.

    • @baguettedestroyer4145
      @baguettedestroyer4145 Месяц назад +21

      ​@@komnina99It was majority Muslim multiple times in the 1800s under the ottoman empire it was aswell but wasn't again by 1840s

    • @komnina99
      @komnina99 Месяц назад

      @@baguettedestroyer4145 Today's territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina was never predominantly inhabited by Muslims until 1991.
      The data you have includes territories that today do not belong to the territories of Bosnia and Herzegovina, more precisely the Novopazar Sandzak, which was part of the Bosnian Vilayet, and today is part of Serbia.

    • @komnina99
      @komnina99 Месяц назад +18

      @baguettedestroyer4145 Today's territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina was never predominantly inhabited by Muslims until 1991.
      The data you have includes territories that todax do not belog to Bosnia and Herzegovina, more precisely the Novi Pazar sanjak, which was part of Bosnian Vilayet, and today is part of Serbia.

  • @ivanvukasovic1371
    @ivanvukasovic1371 Месяц назад +73

    If one wishes to pinpoint what were some of the earliest and strongest reasons for the Balkan peoples to be so similar, and yet so different and even hostile to each other, I believe that 1054 AD is that reason.
    The Great Schism was basically the border of Drina river. To the east of it was orthodoxy, and Constantinopole. To the west, catholicism and Rome/Central Europe.
    A thousand years ago The Schism divided the Balkans culturally, religiously, and later, nationally.
    Now imagine putting oil to this fire for a thousand years: Schism, Crusades, Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, nationalism and preporod movements of Vuk and Gaj.
    Then came 1914, and the barrel exploded. And it took almost a hundred years for the fire to be put out. Still, in 2024 AD, the timber smolders, and the sparks glow, and new arsonists pour the oil on the powderkeg of Balkan. And I hope Balkan peoples can keep the fire calm.
    We may not be brothers, but we are neighbours. Nek nam je slava i Bog na pomoći!

    • @thetruechaby
      @thetruechaby Месяц назад +26

      Though we currently don't act like it, we most certainly are brothers. I feel pity for people who don't see it that way.

    • @ivanvukasovic1371
      @ivanvukasovic1371 Месяц назад +14

      @@thetruechaby well brothers or cousins, this is just semantics. But I see your point, and agree with you: we must respect and help each other out, because no one else will. Živio sus(j)ed/komšija😁

    • @thetruechaby
      @thetruechaby Месяц назад +12

      @@ivanvukasovic1371 Well, I like to believe that regular people do that. Unfortunately, narrow-minded corrupted individuals on the top are exploiting our "differences". Veliki pozdrav iz Novog Sada. :)

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад

      bitka na(d) drini(om)^^

    • @IncontenentiaButtux
      @IncontenentiaButtux Месяц назад

      @@thetruechaby Not only individuals the problems has rooted itself within the foundations of foreign Imperialism in Europe. The dissolution of Yugoslavia was more than expected by the CIA they saw the political and economic conglomerate as a failure in its entirety, the quote is something the likes of "Buying futures in Yugoslavia is not recommended at the current moment" I do not completely remember when exactly but it was stated in an internal report at the start of the 90's. As much as I am happy to be able to speak my language and call my country mine, I fully understand that the breaking of yugoslavia was heavily overlooked and dictated by the Russians and Americans. Now China has put its cock on the table and we will have to deal with the consequences of accepting it, economically, over the next century. We are brothers and if we forget this we are to be burried again in graves with no names, on top of our graves will rise three flags and none of them will remember our people. We must halt the petty arguing, we must not let the cultural dissonance that has been so artificially inflated and propagated to make us forget that we are all those same Slavs that through some of the darkest events in history triumphed. It does not matter to me who your forefather was if you act as I do if you act for what I do, you are my brother. That is who we are. What was the message of our peoples ? Brotherhood and unity. This is far older than Yugoslavia. Most importantly, we cannot let the idea of national supremacy fog the reality. For god's sakes we create the same music, we eat the same food just with slightly edited names, we toast the same way, we grow up doing the same things, we even the deal with the same ways of corruption in our internal politics. We truly cannot let the world divide us in such disgusting and abhorent ways. To make us point guns at our brothers and sisters in the name of idealogical barbarism , for the sake of old men who cannot even pronounce the names of our men. We must work together, I believe that is the only way to prevent the decline of our home, our region as a whole.

  • @ronjohnson6916
    @ronjohnson6916 Месяц назад +103

    Interesting introduction to the region. Didn't realize we knew so little about the earliest days of the Slavs in the Balkans.

    • @k.a.2253
      @k.a.2253 Месяц назад +6

      Yes unfortunately in our schools when we learn our earliest history, we use sources provided by the Byzantine emperor Constantine Porfirogenet (dont know if its spelled that way in English), and next thing we have in Croatia is name of duke Trpimir in 9th century

    • @theotheagendashill818
      @theotheagendashill818 Месяц назад +6

      The video is poorly made, we know way more than this

    • @BigWayneMcCool
      @BigWayneMcCool Месяц назад +3

      Overall, not bad. It's ok to be more honest, but there is more to it than this. It would be better it it was a bit longer video and more deticated to each country mentioned with more accurate maps. Big 👍for your effort and the subject in this video.

    • @TeTanet-xg1me
      @TeTanet-xg1me Месяц назад +2

      There are some mistakes, Serbs did not settle in modern Serbia or Kosovo but around parts of North-Western Montenegro / South-Western Serbia area also known as Rashka where also one of the earliest Serbian states was formed, they expanded into other areas later. Bulgaria held modern Serbia, Kosovo and Macedonia before Serbs.

    • @KosovOrc
      @KosovOrc Месяц назад +3

      @@TeTanet-xg1meyou are right. Land of Kosovo was conquered by bulgarians also nowdays belgrade and most of the serbia and north macedonia.
      Before slavs came here and bulgars took control when byzantin empire was created there was living dardanians after that there was arber population living there after the rome falls.
      But bulgaria have more claims in these lands rather than serbia and still Bulgarians dont do it and serbians claim everything in balkans as theirs.
      But i understand how propaganded was them when they was 150 years working by academy of science to shape narrative to fit theyre greed for creating an empire that they never had.

  • @iratepirate3896
    @iratepirate3896 Месяц назад +105

    I'm always impressed by the Slavs who settled near Sparta

    • @arnorrian1
      @arnorrian1 Месяц назад +40

      Pagan Slavs that settled in Peloponnese met the last pagan Greeks around Sparta.

    • @uristjoyce877
      @uristjoyce877 Месяц назад +9

      They got filtered by local gypsy populations later on.
      Source, I am marrying a Tsakonic woman next month

    • @Anonymous07192
      @Anonymous07192 Месяц назад

      @@uristjoyce877 congrats man

    • @keithbrown7685
      @keithbrown7685 Месяц назад

      @@uristjoyce877 Congratulations! Will you invite me, even though I'm a stranger? I promise not to drink too much. But I am on the lookout for plub brandy, and am hoping to get some.

    • @evanhi450
      @evanhi450 Месяц назад +4

      Slavs near Sparta? When ?

  • @tejmazwei
    @tejmazwei Месяц назад +165

    Small correction, the kingdom was called Duklja nad not Dikja, im really loving you talking about the history of my region :)

    • @tejmazwei
      @tejmazwei Месяц назад +33

      Another thing, the bosnian kings and bans were all 'kings of serbs'

    • @tejmazwei
      @tejmazwei Месяц назад +19

      And now a fun fact, the predecessor of Prijezda I Kotromanic of Bosnia was ban Matej Ninoslav, which is truly unique cause my name is Matej and my girlfriends name is Ninoslava 😂

    • @tom7bombadil7
      @tom7bombadil7 Месяц назад +17

      @@tejmazwei And Duklja wasn't a Serb land but a infependent Sclavinia which ruled Rascia and later was conquerd by Serbia

    • @SGT51
      @SGT51 Месяц назад +14

      And duklja was not serbian , its was the first montenegrin state

    • @RYPA190
      @RYPA190 Месяц назад +39

      ​​​@@SGT51 No, it was a Slavic state, the modern concept of Montenegrin people didn't exist then. It was called Duklja until the 11th century when it was named Zeta. Montenegro name was only from the end of 15th century. And pretty much every Montenegrin identified themselves as Serban until the end of 19th century, Montenegrin was only a geographical distinction and not ethnic.

  • @antonistheodoridis3848
    @antonistheodoridis3848 Месяц назад +185

    This video will be a bitter pill to swallow for those who claim that ancient Macedonian kingdom was slavic and that Alexander the Great wasnt Greek

    • @regigashi9226
      @regigashi9226 Месяц назад +40

      He was neither 'greek' nor slavic

    • @IbnRushd-mv3fp
      @IbnRushd-mv3fp Месяц назад +19

      Alexander the greek

    • @napoleon8017
      @napoleon8017 Месяц назад

      ​@@kniixOnly serbians believe that

    • @merxho95
      @merxho95 Месяц назад +26

      Hahaha youre right Bulgaro-Macedonians will cough from anger hahhahaha

    • @brankobelfranin8815
      @brankobelfranin8815 Месяц назад +21

      @@kniix Alexander was Macedonian

  • @ХристоЯнков-х7я
    @ХристоЯнков-х7я 21 день назад +3

    Very well researched and much informative video! I am quite impressed! Kudos to the makers of this content

  • @sumagillyrian6593
    @sumagillyrian6593 Месяц назад +50

    This must be hard for Serbs to watch 😅

    • @user-irj1nxa3cof2z
      @user-irj1nxa3cof2z Месяц назад +7

      You have no idea how tremendously the cope is the comments section 😂

    • @user-yc7rq7rm1e
      @user-yc7rq7rm1e 26 дней назад

      pretty hard lol bro almost completely skipped over us

    • @danielm6319
      @danielm6319 25 дней назад +5

      ​@@user-yc7rq7rm1e He missed Lužički Srbi and White Serbs, mention Vlastimirovići and Nemanjići, later Emperor Dušan. And how Serbia assimilate other Slavs, Latins, Greeks and Illyrians as well. Other points I don't see missed. Maybe Croatian-Bulgarian war?

    • @johnnybepp2907
      @johnnybepp2907 23 дня назад +1

      I dont thinks so the know that long time a go they just heat it cuz they know they are cigans from risia smae as modern greec cigans from all over asia

    • @Saraj176
      @Saraj176 23 дня назад +3

      @@danielm6319Ajde ne leputaj majke ti

  • @radoslav1993
    @radoslav1993 Месяц назад +26

    Hello, As Rusyn myself I am happy that we were mentioned here. White Croats connection is well known. But lets not forget about the old belief about Sarmatian connection. Hungarian historian from 17th century Matej Bel wrote that local Rusyn population believed to have Sarmatian ancestors :)

    • @Luke5654
      @Luke5654 Месяц назад +6

      I (Croat) have seen 30+ comments on Rusyn/Rusnak/Ruthenian related videos where they themselves claim to be White Croats, couple even said that term White Croats they prefer because Ruthenian/Rusyn/Rusnak are all either latin for Russ or are names given to them by someone...
      So as a Croat I'm positively surprised so many of you claim the same heritage as us. Even the Carpatho-Rusyn Society (International Association) claims it. The Great Russian Encyclopedia also claims it.

    • @ffttt-pz7nt
      @ffttt-pz7nt Месяц назад +7

      Where I grew up, there was a family with Ruthenian / Ukrainian ancestry. I asked my father about their last name, he answered, Ruthenian / Ukrainian & that they came after WW I . They were Catholic, went to church with us & were a good family. I still remember the father, old guy, Ivo.
      One other example, when Vukovar fell in last war, Serbian propaganda TV, was filming the refugees. Some of civilians, suppose to be exchanged, and after they asked one women, who she is, she bravely answered Croatian, then said more exactly, Rusin & that she’s waiting for exchange, to go to Croatian side.
      That was extremely brave from her, to even mention to be Croatian, it could have cost her life.
      Cheers!

  • @soumyadiptamajumder8795
    @soumyadiptamajumder8795 Месяц назад +30

    I'll start by answering why the Danubian frontier was so vulnerable, and then detail why the Roman position in the Balkans collapsed in the seventh century, allowing the Slavs and other powers to settle there.
    The Strategic Geography of the Balkans
    Eastern Roman provinces to the south of the Danube existed in a state of continual insecurity. The Danubian limes formed an incredibly long border. The border was situated near the end of the steppe corridor for nomads from Asia, and saw people continually moving to its north. The Thracian plains to the south of the Danube were highly vulnerable to attack from the steppe, particularly prone by land routes from the grasslands of west Ukraine. In 539, a group of invaders were even able to advance to the suburbs of Constantinople effectively unopposed. Nor were the mountain ranges south of the Danube a serious obstacle to invaders. The Balkan range, for example, rises gently upwards from the Danubian plain, only falling steeply on its south side. The area in-between the two formed Roman Lower Moesia; naturally suited to agriculture on account of the numerous rivers feeding it, and covered in fertile sediment, its wealth naturally attracted barbarian raids from north of the Danube. The north-south mountain passes from Lower Moesia to lands further south were many, and not easy to secure. It was therefore impossible to fully prevent raids across the Danube or neutralise the powers existing in the trans-Danubian world to the Roman empire's north. Goths in the fourth century, and Huns in the fifth, were able to cross the Danube and occupy/raid Roman-held Balkan lands. The vulnerability of Roman Balkan territories was recognised long before the sixth century; Polybius, in the 2nd century BC, claimed that "Thrace surrounds the territory of the Byzantines ... they are involved in an endless and troublesome war ... for it is not feasible to get rid once and for all of their hostilities".
    This isn't to suggest that the entirety of Roman territory to the west of Constantinople was vulnerable of course; south of the Balkans proper, the littoral Illyrian coastline and mainland Greece were relatively more secure. They were isolated due to the mountain passes and ravines which separated them from the Balkans, but economically remote from Balkan trade and urban areas were largely focused on the Aegean and Mediterranean economy.
    Defensive Measures in the Sixth Century
    There were three major lines of defence in the sixth-century Balkans.
    From Anastasius (491-518), a military presence was maintained along the southern bank of the Danube, with a limited naval presence on the river itself. Outposts were held to the north as well, serving as listening posts to the steppe world and aiming to follow the movements of tribes.
    Procopius' Buildings describes in detail the second two lines of defence, both assembled under Justinian (527-565). The north-south Balkan mountain passes were fortified, seeking to protect southern provinces from enemies crossing the Danube.
    Second, cities in the north Balkan zone, south of the Danube, were fortified, and the road network fortified as well.
    Justinian's defence plans were thus based on the (entirely justified) assumption that the Danubian limes were still vulnerable. On top of these defensive measures, imperial authorities attempted to deter raids into the Balkans by encouraging locals to avoid displays of wealth. But the Eastern Roman defence for the Balkans was not just in terms of fortifications. It also, crucially, involved diplomacy. Roman emperors continually aimed to maintain a balance of powerlessness amongst these nomadic powers resident to the north of the Danube. Eastern Roman Crimea served as a crucial outpost for enabling this traditional "divide and rule" policy on the steppe, and through bribes and diplomatic intervention the Romans sought to deter and prevent attacks on the Balkans. The collapse of this policy is crucial to understanding your follow-up question.
    The Sixth Century: Threats to the Balkans
    Slavs only emerged on the Danubian frontier in the sixth century, and had no formal political centre. They were, therefore, difficult to confront militarily, and able to raid across the Danube in small groups. My previous paras should have suggested why this was so easy. But onto your follow-up question: Why were tribes so easily able to resist the Eastern Romans and even settle in the Balkans?
    There is reasonable evidence to suggest that Justinian's programme of fortification and diplomacy did deter Hunnic and Slavic raids. From 551-578, a reasonably well-documented period for other Balkan events, not a single Slavic raid was recorded (excluding one particularly harsh Kotrigur invasion in 558). Yet in 580, Slavic raids resumed and involved much greater numbers, with greater ambitions too - instead of typical looting, these raids even aimed to conquer cities. This can largely be ascribed to the fact that the Eastern Romans were distracted by war with the Persians, and in 592 the Avars even broke through to Drizipera, just ninety miles from Constantinople.
    But once peace was made with Persia, the Romans were easily able to deal with the Avar problem. This is well-demonstrated by the late c6/early c7 Strategikon, likely written by a high-ranking officer, and the History of Theophylact Simocatta, which detail numerous successes against the Avars and Slavs. From 590 to 602, Roman armies even campaigned north of the Danube. In 597 the general Priscus destroyed "almost the entire Avar army and the khagan’s four sons at its command” (Theophylact Simocatta, History VIII.2.2-8.3.7), and numerous other Avar defeats soon followed.
    The Seventh Century: Roman Collapse
    But from 602, the Roman position in the Balkans quickly deteriorated. The Emperor Maurice (582-602) was deposed in a coup by Phocas (602-610), and in 605 Phocas moved troops away from the Balkans, giving the Slavs and Avars time to remobilise. And subsequently, Heraclius (610-641) was entirely preoccupied with the threat posed by Khusro II in the east, transferring soldiers to the eastern front in 620. This gave the Avars almost total autonomy in the Balkans, and in 626 they even laid siege to Constantinople. They were resolutely defeated by Heraclius, leading to massive internal conflict within the Avar khaganate.
    Still, the fact that the Romans were so distracted by the Persians, allowing the Balkan front to deteriorate rapidly in the 580s and then in the early seventh century, shows one key point: The Eastern Romans always prioritised threats to their eastern frontier over threats in the west. This was a political and military necessity. Heraclius was therefore unable to exploit the weakened prestige of the Avar khagan follow the total defeat of the Avars at the 626 siege of Constantinople - he was entirely focused on warfare with the Persians, crucial for the Eastern Roman empire's survival, and subsequently was forced to deal with the Arab threat.
    The power vacuum created by Avar weakness post-626 was thus exploited by other powers; the Bulgars were able to expand to the north-east plains of Thrace, even challenging Eastern Roman control over routes to Constantinople, and Slav chieftaincies were established with minimal resistance from Thrace down to the Peloponnese. Control deteriorated quickly with the inhabitants of the Balkans effectively left to fend for themselves as the imperial forces were entirely on the Arab threat. Thus Justinian II, in 687-8, was even forced to fight to Thessalonica when he wished to travel there. Only by the late eighth century were the Eastern Romans able to concentrate on the Balkans again, simply because Arab pressure on their eastern frontier lessened.
    Slavs who settled in the South, e.g. in the Peloponnese and near Thessalonica, were subject to processes of Romanisation, absorbed into the Greek-speaking and Christian world. But for the most part, the complete collapse of Roman power in the Balkans allowed Slavs to retain and further develop their own social and political culture. Small Slav groups were able to lead an effectively independent existence from the Roman, Bulgar, and Avar states.
    Summary
    Hopefully I have shown that the Danubian frontier was inherently vulnerable in terms of its strategic geography, and so we shouldn't be surprised that raiders were so easily able to cross the Danube. During the sixth century Roman authorities from Anastasius to Justinian sought to improve these defences, and this did help to some extent in deterring raids on Balkan territory. Under Maurice, the Romans were able to reassert control against the Avars and made a series of successful forays north of the Danube. The total collapse of the Roman position in the Balkans, and the rapid settlement of new powers (primarily the Slavs and Bulgars) can be explained primarily by the fact that imperial authorities were almost entirely distracted by warfare on their eastern frontier against the Persians and subsequently against the Arabs. This frontier was continually prioritised, and drained manpower and resources from the Balkans in order to fight a struggle for survival against Khusro II and, soon after, the armies of Muhammad. Thus the Slavs and Bulgars were able to settle in the Balkans effectively unopposed.
    Sources
    Primary: Maurice's Strategikon; The History of Theophylact Simocatta; Procopius' Buildings; The History of Menander the Guardsman, trans. R.C. Blockley (1985)
    Secondary: Mark Whittow: The Making of Orthodox Byzantium (1996); Florin Curta: South Eastern Europe in Middle Ages, 500-1200 (2006); Dimitri Obolensky: The Byzantine Commonwealth (1971); Michael Whitby: The Emperor Maurice and his Historian (1988); Dimitri Obolensky: ‘The Principles and Methods of Byzantine Diplomacy’, in Dimitri Obolensky (ed.), Byzantium and the Slavs: Collected Studies (1971).

    • @z000ey
      @z000ey Месяц назад +4

      To be honest, it is obvious that the eastern threat was always more important to the Byzantines, as that was threatening their more valuable possessions, politically and culturally much more important than the Balkan provinces, and also both economically and agriculturally more developed.
      On top of that, the Persians were the threat since the first encounter of Greeks and Persians and throughout the classical Roman empire, thus already a thousand year old threat.
      Then came the Muslim threat which culturally and religiously was the foremost existential threat from 7th to 15th century and even beyond to the rest of Christianity after the fall of Constantinople.
      The northern threat to the western less developed parts of the empire was always perceived as a lesser threat that (due to the lack of political agenda, rather being from raiding warrior clans) could usually be contained by various other measures, including pacification, controlled immigration, melting into the societies, hiring mercenaries etc etc.
      The regions that were usually more forcefully defended were the Adriatic townships, islands and Istria, and the central Moesian region of the Morava river. The rest the Byzantines didn't really care too much while having problems to resolve in the East.

  • @northernredknights
    @northernredknights Месяц назад +15

    There is virtually zero slavic content in english. This is so needed thank you!

    • @voskreglavincevska7080
      @voskreglavincevska7080 Месяц назад +1

      Greek, Macedonian, Albanian, and English have 60% same words , only differently pronounced !

    • @madcro8209
      @madcro8209 Месяц назад

      @@voskreglavincevska7080 No

    • @ArdiArdi-cg5pr
      @ArdiArdi-cg5pr 17 дней назад

      Macedonian??!! What you referring to?

    • @voskreglavincevska7080
      @voskreglavincevska7080 17 дней назад

      @@ArdiArdi-cg5pr Macedonian language is belonging to Indo-European branch of languages !
      Don't play naive !!!!

    • @ArdiArdi-cg5pr
      @ArdiArdi-cg5pr 17 дней назад

      @ im serious not playing naive. What language you mean ? Bulgarian?

  • @matheusrondelleite8015
    @matheusrondelleite8015 Месяц назад +47

    I'm currently playing a campaign with the Bosnians in CK2. As a Bogomilist Christian, everyone seems to hate me, dont know why. Also, I sense some kind of war brewing in the comments, since the slavic nations of the balkans are "kind" to each other

    • @marekvidra
      @marekvidra Месяц назад +8

      One of the most interesting playthroughs in my opinion.
      My suggestion is that you try and convert all de jure territories of kingdom of Bosnia to Krstjani, and
      if you are looking for allies it is best to find them among catholic rulers since catholics see krstjani as "astray" which is less negative stats compared to orthodox rulers who see krstjani as evil. However, since you are surounded by christians you can make allies with pretty much anyone of them if you have good relations.
      If you manage to take the "Unite South Slavs" decisions you have pretty much won and all the de jure south slavic territories become de jure parts of Kingdom Of Bosnia, making your succession much easier. That is unless your ultimate goal is to take the "Unite All Slavs" decision and form "Empire Of Slavia" in that case you are going to have to conquer a lot of land for which you are gonna need good army. I have seen some people hybridizing the Bosnian culture with Avar culture to get the horse archers, making the wars easier, but if you don t want to do that then my recommendation is building a high quality army and spreading the krstjani religion since that s gonna lessen the penalties of levies and taxes.

    • @bosniencommie1202
      @bosniencommie1202 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@marekvidra ahhhh none of thet is in ck2

    • @marekvidra
      @marekvidra Месяц назад +3

      ​@@bosniencommie1202I thought bro said ck3 😂
      damn, it s that different?

    • @boost4774
      @boost4774 Месяц назад

      @@matheusrondelleite8015 if you are a bogumil you are a džedaj

    • @bosniencommie1202
      @bosniencommie1202 Месяц назад +1

      @@marekvidra you cant unite south slavs besides by forming costum empire you can't change your kingdoms coat of arms you cen unite slavs by any east and all besides slovak west slvs but it doesn't count in south slavs

  • @ScarletRebel96
    @ScarletRebel96 Месяц назад +118

    I'm sure this comment section will be completely Respectful and friendly since topics on the Balkans are normally peaceful and chill ✌

    • @draganpetrovic4630
      @draganpetrovic4630 Месяц назад +13

      😂😂😂😂😂 I am Serbian. My wife is Hungarian. She read me some ten years ago, Durex research about size of penises in South and Central Europe. She: Here says that Hungarians have biger than Serbs. Me: What says about Croatians? She: they are two places behind you. Me: Then everything is well 😂😂😂😂

    • @ScarletRebel96
      @ScarletRebel96 Месяц назад +1

      @draganpetrovic4630 Slava Serbia 🇷🇸❤

    • @draganpetrovic4630
      @draganpetrovic4630 Месяц назад +4

      @@ScarletRebel96 slava means glory or ones family, village or clan patron saint with south slavs. To honoure you say čast or čestitam. We are not Russians

    • @ScarletRebel96
      @ScarletRebel96 Месяц назад +1

      @@draganpetrovic4630oh , I really like Serbia tho

    • @michaelsurratt1864
      @michaelsurratt1864 Месяц назад +1

      The Balkans basically one group of people to be 30.

  • @LukaR.1
    @LukaR.1 Месяц назад +43

    Croatia wasnt annexed by Hungary, they entered personal union, it is very different.

    • @dragutintodosijevic4195
      @dragutintodosijevic4195 Месяц назад +11

      They take it from behind from everyone.

    • @tomislav_radic
      @tomislav_radic Месяц назад

      ​@@dragutintodosijevic4195a bit rich, coming from a đojlen.

    • @ivansimunek4829
      @ivansimunek4829 Месяц назад +24

      @@dragutintodosijevic4195 like you did from turks and now from russians? XD

    • @torikeqi8710
      @torikeqi8710 Месяц назад +14

      @@LukaR.1 Croatia was conquered and didn't have any other choice. Personal union is a terminology to make the conquest more digestive

    • @O46783
      @O46783 Месяц назад +13

      ​@@dragutintodosijevic4195and now we live like kings in one of the most beautiful contrys in the world while you have 400e salary and protest every week and over 40 000 of you come every summer to clean our toilets earning a years salary in 2 moths 😂😂

  • @darktorrent_
    @darktorrent_ Месяц назад +14

    fun fact: there were pagan slavs in the south of peloponnese as late as the 15th century

  • @Pagokeraunos
    @Pagokeraunos Месяц назад +42

    The Chi-Rho that is used to symbolise "Rome" as opposed to Constantinople was literally created by Constantinople

    • @Iuliusgiovi
      @Iuliusgiovi Месяц назад +2

      No it wasn't.. its just greek letters...and was used by roman emperor constantine after the battle of the milvian bridge.

    • @Pagokeraunos
      @Pagokeraunos Месяц назад +4

      @Iuliusgiovi It's just kinda odd that the symbol was used for the west while the Man who adorned it literally transferred the capital to the East.

  • @legacyvaultchannel
    @legacyvaultchannel Месяц назад +9

    The migration of the Slavs to the Balkans is one of the most fascinating chapters of European history. It reshaped the cultural and ethnic landscape of the region forever, blending with remnants of Roman and Byzantine influence.

    • @mihajloetinski647
      @mihajloetinski647 18 дней назад +1

      Well the story of Slav migration is completely false, Serbian scientists found that people of the great ancient civilization of Vinca formed on the river Morava few thousand years before Christ share almost 100% of their genetics with today's Serbs, which means Serbs didn't come from Carpathian mountains

    • @Koustas07
      @Koustas07 17 дней назад +1

      @@mihajloetinski647 yes you are right, Serbs came from much more far away

    • @user-irj1nxa3cof2z
      @user-irj1nxa3cof2z 16 дней назад +1

      @@mihajloetinski647
      Hahah

  • @francek3892
    @francek3892 Месяц назад +30

    as a South Slav(Croatian), great video but there are some mistakes but overall its good

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад +1

      "mistakes" XD OTKUD TI HOCES ZNAS STA JE PRAVILNO SINE MOJ!!?? hahaha

    • @Gmod2012lo1
      @Gmod2012lo1 Месяц назад +1

      Ma vrag bi ga znao više šta je prava istina.. tu je negde između haha

    • @ivansimunek4829
      @ivansimunek4829 Месяц назад

      @@markusbalbach7608 internet postoji mangupe

    • @yxcar121
      @yxcar121 Месяц назад

      @@Gmod2012lo1 istina da deda blaž nije blaženko več blagoje :)

    • @richard_from_england333
      @richard_from_england333 Месяц назад

      ​@@yxcar121Čamil

  • @joeychestnut2437
    @joeychestnut2437 21 день назад +12

    So its settled. The Bosnians are Croats and the Serbs are Bulgars.

    • @Koustas07
      @Koustas07 17 дней назад +1

      Bosnians are Albanians converted in Serbs who now call themselves Bosnians

    • @milanscepanovic1086
      @milanscepanovic1086 16 дней назад +2

      And Croats speak serbian language

    • @joeychestnut2437
      @joeychestnut2437 16 дней назад

      @@milanscepanovic1086 Serbs cant count.
      1st Croatian Dictionary - 1595 - Faust Vrančić, Dictionarium quinque nobilissimarum Europae linguarum Latinae, Italicae, Germanicae, Dalmaticae et Ungaricae (the first Croatian printed dictionary in the form of a separate work).
      1st Serbian Dictionary - Vuk Karadžić's Serbian Dictionary appeared in 1818 as the first book in modern literary Serbian,
      Serbs were Bulgarian speakers before stealing the Croatian language.

    • @Koustas07
      @Koustas07 16 дней назад +4

      @ Serbs speak Croatian language

    • @andrejivanov7145
      @andrejivanov7145 15 дней назад +1

      Bulgars are Turkic nothing slavic about them

  • @Chichul
    @Chichul Месяц назад +1

    Thank You for this Video!

  • @aljazcapuder4041
    @aljazcapuder4041 Месяц назад +78

    Why was there no mention of alpine slavs, the ancestors of modern day slovenians, who established the first recorded slavic entity, the principality of Carantania?

    • @epiccrusadr8583
      @epiccrusadr8583 Месяц назад +15

      No the first slavic state was the Samo's kingdom

    • @slavenX
      @slavenX Месяц назад +12

      carantania was part of Samos State. Youre both right 🙂 They didnt came from nowhere. Caranthanians, Slovenes was there since Samos State

    • @polarbear3262
      @polarbear3262 Месяц назад +5

      Cause no one cares about Slovenia with population of 20 people. Just kidding ofc 😂

    • @thinkerian
      @thinkerian Месяц назад +21

      the whole video was poorly done, with very surfaced research

    • @aleskosir2727
      @aleskosir2727 Месяц назад +1

      Charantania is order than Samo state

  • @Casstel77
    @Casstel77 Месяц назад +12

    1. Straight to comments, 2. Watch the video. Many thanks to K & G. History seems to (always) have 3 versions in the Balkans, it is nice to hear about it from a neutral standpoint. Cheers to all from Bosnia

  • @HeavyThrashGuitar
    @HeavyThrashGuitar 13 дней назад

    Great video! I'm just amazed you missed and not mentioned Carantania, one of first if not the first Slavic principalities in the region. Pozdrav to all my Balkan brothers!

  • @jakovvodanovic9165
    @jakovvodanovic9165 Месяц назад +36

    Croatia entered a personal union with Hungary only in 1102, not the 10th century.

    • @libertas5552
      @libertas5552 Месяц назад +3

      It was called "Pacta conventa"

    • @petarn2204
      @petarn2204 Месяц назад +7

      Hungarians slain last croatian ruler, and Croats bravely |"entered personal union" with Asiatic Madjars :) lol
      Great tradition of Croat to always submit to stronger force, at each century at each opportunity. A nation without a single war or battle for liberation and independence :)

    • @krpapavelic7379
      @krpapavelic7379 Месяц назад +12

      ​@@petarn2204 A sta je onda domovinski rat

    • @StefanG-ji7cq
      @StefanG-ji7cq Месяц назад +3

      Personal union 😂😂 Your only union was with Serbs when they created you both Yugoslavia after beating you 2x ina row in world wars

    • @ivanergovic2634
      @ivanergovic2634 Месяц назад +5

      Idk if ure serbian or not but what? Lol yes hungarians conquered us but wrf did u do? U were directly under the turks for a lot longer then us, we atleast had self governance for most of the realms exsistance 😊 ​@@petarn2204

  • @holextv5595
    @holextv5595 Месяц назад +44

    Next Western Slavs

    • @Saladyn88
      @Saladyn88 Месяц назад +3

      West Slavs - best Slavs

    • @Joshua-fq9tm
      @Joshua-fq9tm Месяц назад +2

      who are the western slavs?

    • @dioskuretwin
      @dioskuretwin Месяц назад +2

      @@Joshua-fq9tm With this logical question, you yourself realized that there are no southern, eastern Slavs because there are no western Slavs either. Official history is a total lie, isn't it?

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад

      they are included herein lol^^ SLOWENIA is too insignificant^^ Im joking!!
      Id love to see a flick bt Slovenija!

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад

      @@dioskuretwin theres SLAVS and the N S W E is really just a GEOGRAPHICAL determination, a drawer box for us humans

  • @soumyadiptamajumder8795
    @soumyadiptamajumder8795 Месяц назад +5

    The Polabian Republic, known as Połabska Řečpospolita in Eastern Polabian, Polabská republika in Czech, Rzeczpospolita Połabska in Polish, Wendische Republik in German.
    This is a timeline where the West Slavs kept more of the lands that were colonized by Germans in our timeline. The Veleti Union became the Lutician Union later on. The ethnicities include Lutician, which is a mix of the Lutici tribes, Slovincian, which was an ethnicity that lived in Poland in OTL but moved further west here. The Polabians are divided into two broad groups here, Dravänopolabian, who are the Polabian tribes that lived further west and were pushed east by the German expansion, and Eastern Polabian, who are based primarily the Sprevian tribe that lived around Spree (Spřévja in Eastern Polabian). Then there’s the Lusatian Sorbs, who are divided into Upper and Lower Sorbs, and they are the only ones of these that survived in OTL. In this timeline all these languages had a common spelling reform, that’s why Silesian and Lusatian names are spelled differently (Chóśebuz -> Chušebuz, Ślůnsk -> Šlůnsk etc.)
    All these languages form a dialect continuum, so that the neighbouring ones are generally similar and mutually intelligible, and the continuum extends into Silesia, Poland (which is called Lechia in this timeline), Saxony and Bohemia. Saxony is mostly German but also has some Slavs related to the Lusatian Sorbs. Since they’re in a union dominated by Czechia and Silesia, the languages would tend to become more similar to Czech and Silesian over time (both of which would also be getting closer to each other).
    Some examples (pre-spelling reform):
    Polabian: Aita nos, tâ toi jis wâ nebesai, sjętü wordoj tüji jaimą; tüji rik komaj; tüja wüľa mo są ťüńot kok wâ nebesai tok no zemi; nosę wisedanesnę sťaibę doj nam dâns; a wütâdoj nam nose greche, kok moi wütâdojeme nosim gresnarem; ni bringoj nos wâ warsükongę; toi losoj nos wüt wisokag chaudag. Pritü tüje ją tü ťenądztwü un müc un câst, warchni Büzac, nekąda in nekędisa. Amen.
    Dravänopolabian: Nôse Wader, ta toy gis wa Nebisgáy, Sjungta woarda Tygí Geima, Tia Rîk komaj, Tia Willia śčinyôt, kok wa Nebisgáy, tôk kak no Zime. Nôsi wisedanneisna Stgeiba doy nâm dâns, un wittedoy nâm nôse Ggrêch, kak moy wittedoyime nôsem Grêsmarim. Ni bringoy nôs ka Warśikónye, tay löśoáy nôs wit wisókak Šaudak. Amen.
    Upper Sorbian: Wótče naš, kiž sy w niebiesach. Swieć so Twoje mieno. Přińdź Twoje Kralěstwo. Stań so Twoja wola, kaž na niebju, tak na zemi. Wšědny chlěb naš daj nam dźens. Wodaj nam naše winy, jako my wodawamy našim winikam; A niewjedź nas do spytowanja, ale wumóž nas wot złeho. Amen.
    Silesian: Uojcze nasz, keryś je we ńebje, bydź pośwjyncůne mjano Twoje. Przińdź krůlestwo Twoje, bydź wola Twoja, jako we ńebje, tak tyż na źymji. Chlyb nasz kożdodźynny dej nům dźiśo. A uodpuść nům nasze winy, jako a my uodpuszczůmy naszym wińńikům. A ńy wůdź nos na pokuszyńy, nale zbow nos uode złygo. Hamynt.
    Polish: Ojcze nasz, któryś jest w niebie, święć się imię Twoje, przyjdź królestwo Twoje, bądź wola Twoja jako w niebie tak i na ziemi. Chleba naszego powszedniego daj nam dzisiaj; i odpuść nam nasze winy, jako i my odpuszczamy naszym winowajcom; i nie wódź nas na pokuszenie, ale nas zbaw ode złego. Amen.
    Czech: Otče náš, jenž jsi na nebesích, posvěť se jméno tvé; přijď království tvé; buď vůle tvá, jako v nebi, tak i na zemi; chléb náš vezdejší dej nám dnes; a odpusť nám naše viny, jako i my odpouštíme naším viníkům; neuveď nás v pokušení; ale zbav nás od všeho zlého. Neboť tvé je království i moc i čest, vrchní Bože, na věky věků. Amen.
    Lutici
    The Lutici / Liutizi (known by various spelling variants) were a federation of West Slavic Polabian tribes, who between the 10th and 12th centuries lived in what is now northeastern Germany. Four tribes made up the core of the federation: the Redarians (Redari, Redarii), Circipanians (Circipani), Kessinians (Kessini, Kycini, Chizzini) and Tollensians (Tholenzi). At least in part, the Lutici were a continuation of the Veleti. In contrast to the former and the neighboring peoples, the Lutici were not led by a Christian monarch or duke, rather power was asserted through consensus formed in central assemblies of the social elites, and the Lutici worshipped nature and several deities.
    Slovincian language
    Slovincian is the language formerly spoken by the Slovincians (Kashubian: Słowińcë, Polish: Słowińcy, German: Slowinzen, Lebakaschuben), a West Slavic tribe living between lakes Gardno and Łebsko near Słupsk in Pomerania.
    Slovincian is classified either as a language (first by Friedrich Lorentz, 1902/3), or as a Kashubian dialect (first by Lorentz, after 1903) or variant, with Kashubian itself being classified either as a language or as a Polish dialect. Slovincian and Kashubian are both classified as Pomeranian.Slovincian became extinct in the early twentieth century. However, individual words and expressions survived until after World War II, when the region became Polish.
    Polabian Slavs
    Polabian Slavs (Lower Sorbian: Połobske słowjany, Polish: Słowianie połabscy, Czech: Polabští slované) is a collective term applied to a number of Lechitic (West Slavic) tribes who lived along the Elbe river in what is today Eastern Germany. The approximate territory stretched from the Baltic Sea in the north, the Saale and the Limes Saxoniae in the west, the Ore Mountains and the Western Sudetes in the south, and Poland in the east. They have also been known as Elbe Slavs (German: Elbslawen) or Wends. Their name derives from the Slavic po, meaning "by/next to/along", and the Slavic name for the Elbe (Labe in Czech and Łaba in Polish).
    Sorbs
    Sorbs (Upper Sorbian: Serbja, Lower Sorbian: Serby, German: Sorben, also known by their former autonyms Lusatians and Wends) are a West Slavic ethnic group predominantly inhabiting Lusatia, a region divided between Germany (the states of Saxony and Brandenburg) and Poland (the provinces of Lower Silesia and Lubusz). Sorbs traditionally speak the Sorbian languages (also known as "Wendish" and "Lusatian"), closely related to the Polish, Kashubian, Czech and Slovak. Sorbian is an officially recognized minority language in Germany. Sorbs are linguistically and genetically closest to the Czechs and Poles.

  • @mladen89ftn
    @mladen89ftn Месяц назад +6

    The Dushan brother went south knowing that there were the best fruit trees to make rakia !

    • @uneti463
      @uneti463 Месяц назад

      they chose illyrian/thracian lands

  • @nyekorare
    @nyekorare Месяц назад +36

    So many peoples and cultures come and go in the Balkan

    • @winstonjunior
      @winstonjunior Месяц назад +2

      What you say is true. There are also other people that were there and are still there.

    • @НиколаИвошевић
      @НиколаИвошевић Месяц назад +1

      Certified cultural melting pot since 40,000 BC😭

    • @dzonikg
      @dzonikg Месяц назад +1

      Now south slavs move to GErmany

    • @another_Sapien
      @another_Sapien 20 дней назад

      Except the Albanians

  • @simenonhonore
    @simenonhonore 16 дней назад

    Very interesting, thank you.

  • @the_feedle
    @the_feedle Месяц назад +4

    3:03 what are those uniforms ?! They are outdated from at least 3 centuries. It's like showing modern military soldiers dressed as 18th century infantrymen

  • @jeffcordova9633
    @jeffcordova9633 Месяц назад +17

    Oh yeah!!! I've always been curious how the Slavs came to the Balkans

    • @Cardan011
      @Cardan011 Месяц назад +1

      According to western historians wicked warlock Guldanovich opened a portal and Slavic people poured out of it.

    • @soul8938
      @soul8938 Месяц назад +10

      Yeah theyre mere migrants and have got the gall to tell natives like romanians and albanians that their lands were always slavic 😂😂💀

    • @milivojrimac3875
      @milivojrimac3875 Месяц назад +2

      @@jeffcordova9633 Slavs live on the Balkan since Paleolitic an neolitic times. The video is based on ferrytales. Genetic research as well as some artefacts, as well as logical thinking prove that all the migrations were just minor enough that the domicile people are still here and still alive. No army has killed and wiped out domicile people (various tribes at that time). The other option would be only if the area was empty - and that was never the case.
      For those who don't know there are some artefacts - engraved in slavic language some 2000 years ago. Forget the stories as if the whole nations were migrating...
      As a matter of fact if there were truth in the story of three brothers, or in case of Croatia the story tells about five brothers and two sisters - even if it is the truth it means that it was very small number that came to the region an that they jus mingled with the people who were already there (here).

    • @ivancertic5197
      @ivancertic5197 28 дней назад

      ​@@soul8938"The Serbs... claimed the protection of Heraclius, the emperor of the Romans, and the same emperor Heraclius received them and gave them a place in the province of Thessalonica to settle in... after some time these same Serbs decided to depart to their own homes, and the emperor sent them off. But when they had crossed the river Danube, they changed their minds and sent a request to the emperor Heraclius, through the military governor then holding Belgrade, that he would grant them other land to settle in. And since what is now Serbia and Pagania and the so-called country of the Zachlumi and Terbounia and the country of the Kanalites were under the dominion of the emperor of the Romans, and since these countries had been made desolate by the Avars (for they had expelled from those parts the Romani who now live in Dalmatia and Dyrrachium), therefore the emperor settled these same Serbs in these countries, and they were subject to the emperor of the Romans; and the emperor brought elders from Rome and baptized them and taught them fairly to perform the works of piety and expounded to them the faith of the Christians..."

    • @ivancertic5197
      @ivancertic5197 28 дней назад +1

      De Administrando Imperio, around year 950; Chapter 32 (Of the Serbs and of the country they now dwell in):

  • @user-ol7yj3mo7c
    @user-ol7yj3mo7c Месяц назад +1

    Nice and informative.

  • @mr.researcher55
    @mr.researcher55 Месяц назад +76

    If Serbs or Slavs in general are native to the Balkans, why were you Christianized so late (9th century), when Christianity came to the Balkans very early, with the apostles etc.? Hellenes, Illyrians etc. had already been Christians for a long time when the Slavs came and if you want to claim that you were Illyrians who remained pagan, it’s also wrong, because Slavs did not believe in Greek, Illyrian or Thracian gods, but typically Slavic ones, like Perun, Dazhbog and so on.

    • @michaeljovanovic8546
      @michaeljovanovic8546 Месяц назад +43

      Relax bro, it's widely accepted that we (Serbs) migrated to the region, and we are okay with that.

    • @ZoranStefanovic-z1g
      @ZoranStefanovic-z1g Месяц назад +27

      Nisi shvatio prirodu ovog kanala .
      Nije njemu bitna istorija nego pregledi i korist iz toga .

    • @alpineanubis
      @alpineanubis Месяц назад

      Noone with more than two braincells claims that Slavs are native to the Balkans. But neither are Greeks so i dont know what are you trying to say. Yes Greeks are in the Balkans much longer but they were also migrants to the area. No nation that exist in the Balkans now was here from the very start and Slavic migration began 1500 years ago so everyone is here more than enough time to be only legitemate owners of the land they inhabit

    • @tongobong1
      @tongobong1 Месяц назад +2

      Because they lost the Christianity when barbarians (slavs included) invaded the Balkans.

    • @Govnar658
      @Govnar658 Месяц назад +19

      I mean, Serbs are native to the Balkans, but that doesn't have to mean that we didn't migrate. The Illyrians also migrated there at some point, so did Greeks, Romans etc. We became the natives of this land when we migrated here and through a long process assimilated the local population with our own.

  • @martinkunev9911
    @martinkunev9911 Месяц назад +19

    why are the bulgars represented with a crescent? they were not muslum

    • @drjayteamk4531
      @drjayteamk4531 27 дней назад +11

      Turkic

    • @martinkunev9911
      @martinkunev9911 16 дней назад +2

      @@drjayteamk4531 the crescent started as a symbol of the ottoman empire and spread to become a symbol of islam. by the time the ottoman empire was founded, the bulgar identity mentioned in the video no longer existed.

    • @drjayteamk4531
      @drjayteamk4531 16 дней назад +1

      @@martinkunev9911 yeah but i think his point was they're Turkic

  • @AlexanderTsarev-y2u
    @AlexanderTsarev-y2u 16 дней назад

    I am a native Russian speaker. For a period last year, I considered a possibility of emigrating to Slovakia. In three months i learned over two thousand of unique Slovak words, which allowed me to read Slovak newspapers and watch videos. In contrast, i studied English for over ten years to reach a degree of fluency. In sum, Slavic languages are a valued treasure, which should be preserved and cherished.

  • @krisiankov6069
    @krisiankov6069 Месяц назад +11

    Macedonians watching the full video waiting to be mentioned as a old slavic country left in tears

    • @voskreglavincevska7080
      @voskreglavincevska7080 Месяц назад +1

      Who didn't manage change the name "Republic Macedonia" , now is in tears !

    • @krisiankov6069
      @krisiankov6069 Месяц назад +2

      @@voskreglavincevska7080 it’s a bit hard understanding what do you wanna say since your english seems not the best so if it’s easier for you you can write me on your native bulgarian language :)

    • @LilyVain
      @LilyVain Месяц назад +3

      ​@@krisiankov6069 *Macedonian language* *
      bulgar is turkic
      Ohoho someone lies out of bitterness 😅

    • @krisiankov6069
      @krisiankov6069 Месяц назад +3

      @@LilyVain lie about what?The north macedonian language is just bulgarian dialect :)

  • @akritai2324
    @akritai2324 Месяц назад +3

    My family come from the Mani, in the Southern Peloponnese, and many places have alternative Slavic names. The port village near us called Agios Nikolaos is also known as Selinitsa

    • @protradereth3022
      @protradereth3022 Месяц назад

      Μετά την επανάσταση του 21 πολλοί σλαβόφωνοι κατέβηκαν από την Μακεδονία στα απελευθερωμένα εδάφη

    • @Mirko1913
      @Mirko1913 Месяц назад

      Can you name other examples of Greek toponyms having Slavic alternatives in your region?

    • @unbeatable_all
      @unbeatable_all Месяц назад

      Any other examples?

    • @davidmandic3417
      @davidmandic3417 24 дня назад

      Interesting, selinitsa sounds like 'a village' or 'a settlement'.

  • @matejbatinic3104
    @matejbatinic3104 Месяц назад +2

    We have a song for that first Zvonimir sentence, it’s called exactly like you said “ljubav se ne trzi niti ne kupuje” beautiful song, it is also one of our 6 European Union songs.
    Here where I was born we named the lake Buško jezero in name of Buga, same for the people from the place thy are called “Bužani” since they are from the Buško blato region, Bugas territory according to our legend says that it was from the mountain Tušnica name after Tuga, all the way to “Bugojno” and Livanjsko polje, Bugojno also takes her name, while Tuga s region was from Tušnica comprehending the entire Duvanjsko polje (which was the capital of the Ilirs, today Tomislavgrad where we encoronated our king Tomislav).
    Many here believe that the “competition” between the two cities comes from this story.
    The story says they settled in Prisoje which is at the beginning of Tušnica and beginning of Buško blato.
    This a song a like text that we have here about them, it’s in Croatian sorry:
    “Nesta više obarskog naroda, Hrvati se tuda naseliše, i kršćansku viru privatiše, na sedmero oni zemlju dile, na pet braće i dvi seke mile, sestri Tugi dadoše krajinu, Duvno ravno i okolovinu, Tada Tuga grad je načinila, na Tušnici na vrh Santulije, poviš crkve svetog Ilije, Ta planina na kojoj je stala, po Tugi se Tušnica prozvala, Tušnica je visoka planina, po njoj dosta brda i dolina, Na njoj leže i liti oblaci, Ispod nje se rađaju junaci, ona seka što bijaše druga, po imenu zvala se je Buga, nje zapade ta krajina divna, od Privale pa do bilog Livna, ona sebi grad je napravila, na podinom Tušnice planine, kod Mandeka duboke doline, i to misto kod doline ove, i dan danas Bužanini se zove, po Buginom lipom imenu, i hrvatskom slavnom plemenu…”
    I find it interesting because on of the brothers is Hrvat, which was father of Čeh, Leh, Meh i Vilina,and from here it starts the legend of them, Vilina betrayed the brothers since her lover was a Roman ruler, they discovered it and found her and then closed her behind a wall alive and she died there according to legend, while other brothers moved north and from here Leh founded Lehia (Poland) and Čeh founded (Bohemia) according to “Chronica Polonorum”.
    This is interesting legend at least for a Croatian.

  • @akaramata4544
    @akaramata4544 Месяц назад +12

    The Crescent which the Bulghars are represented with around 12:10 is more typical of the Göktürks. Oghurs, who were the core Turkic element within the Bulghar federation, used runic symbols such as IYI to represent themselves.

  • @eafstudios6436
    @eafstudios6436 Месяц назад +17

    Super interesting video. I know this is a bit off-topic but it would be interesting to see the history of certain ethnic groups in Europe which have either an extremely ancient or unusual history there such as the Basques of the Iberian Peninsula or the Sami peoples of northern Scandinavia who don't typically get as much coverage. The Romani nomads of Europe (whose ancestors came all the way from India) would also be an interesting topic.

  • @rodrigoquintero9397
    @rodrigoquintero9397 Месяц назад +17

    How can you watch these videos and not want to become a member? This will be my Christmas gift!

    • @MoMoney-m5n
      @MoMoney-m5n Месяц назад +1

      I love this channel but this comment really sounds like a bot

    • @rodrigoquintero9397
      @rodrigoquintero9397 Месяц назад +1

      @MoMoney-m5n Not a bot, my friend. I just love this channel. It allowed me to reconnect with history as my lifelong passion that I had almost forgotten all about.

    • @Rogue_Centurion
      @Rogue_Centurion Месяц назад

      I would if I had money to spare

    • @emilvarbanov2683
      @emilvarbanov2683 Месяц назад

      I watch those videos and unsubscribe ...

  • @crazyirish209
    @crazyirish209 Месяц назад +30

    Respect to All Slavs from a dirty Celt

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад

      its really ALL DA SAME considering HOW many times the WHOLE continents populus was intermixed like BODILY FLUIDS ON A DIDDY PARTY!!!!

    • @Rogue_Centurion
      @Rogue_Centurion Месяц назад +1

      Which Celtic nation do you hail from?
      Never mind I read your name

    • @brothabox6998
      @brothabox6998 Месяц назад +8

      Scordisci..Celtics tribe inhabitet Balkan before Slavs comming

  • @paskalpable
    @paskalpable 27 дней назад +9

    Bulgars were not Turkic, that was an older theory, that's being debunked true DNA and other evidence.

    • @andrejivanov7145
      @andrejivanov7145 15 дней назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 keep telling that lie to yourself

  • @ΒαγγεληςΝοτης
    @ΒαγγεληςΝοτης 15 дней назад

    This a good video to see the people's of Skopia ....

  • @kevinlleshi3129
    @kevinlleshi3129 Месяц назад +38

    Interisting video! Will you do a video about albanians or romanian ethnogenesis?

    • @vladimirkalinov1181
      @vladimirkalinov1181 Месяц назад +6

      No one can

    • @vanmars5718
      @vanmars5718 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@vladimirkalinov1181😂😂

    • @user-irj1nxa3cof2z
      @user-irj1nxa3cof2z Месяц назад +7

      @@vladimirkalinov1181
      It’s a long long very long story 🇦🇱.. Over 100.000 years factually proven 💼🤠

    • @soul8938
      @soul8938 Месяц назад +9

      @@vladimirkalinov1181its millenia before the slavic migrants arrived thats for sure 😉

    • @vladimirkalinov1181
      @vladimirkalinov1181 Месяц назад +5

      @@soul8938 Albanians probably, Romanians not so sure.

  • @warriorface31
    @warriorface31 Месяц назад +46

    I find it interesting how such a large portion of Slavs were historically led by Germanic, Turkic, and Baltic dynasties. Many Slavic ethnonyms today stem from former non-Slavic overlords like the Germanic Rus’ and Turkic Bulgars/ians.

    • @yigitT220
      @yigitT220 Месяц назад +13

      Slavs were constantly attacked and sold as slaves to everywhere that's why. It's really impressive that we still exist.

    • @andreipaun3696
      @andreipaun3696 Месяц назад

      They're a really backeard people. They have no ideea what they're doing.

    • @Novgorod_Republic
      @Novgorod_Republic Месяц назад +3

      ​@@yigitT220 Slavic tribes were in constant wars between themselves and sold each other into slavery. That's why so many of them chose foreigners to unite them. Because that was the only acceptable compromise.

    • @draganpetrovic4630
      @draganpetrovic4630 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@yigitT220izdržljiva smo mi živina.

    • @Kanasubigi896
      @Kanasubigi896 Месяц назад

      Hardly still exist. Even Russians are only about 50% genetically Slavic, and Bulgarias/serbians about 18%. There are no pure Slavs left

  • @MiilosVarcakovic
    @MiilosVarcakovic 11 дней назад +1

    Svetovid, Perun, Svarog and Veleg along with language was a common trait with all slavs coming to the Balkans. They were quite unified in culture and language which explains why we don't see the usual "uprisings" in conquered lands in the first couple of hundred years between bulgars - croats - serbs, the people didn't care. The Bulgars were the odd one out being a "herrenvolk" that adopted the populations language and culture after some generations.
    But the population (vast bulk) was like a monolith until the schism with the church and regional dialects became a thing (around 12th - 13th century).
    The sad thing is that all three but mostly the serbian and bulgarian empires had ambitions far beyond what they could hold on to. The croats folded quickly under the catholic church and had some sort of "immunity" vs the hungarians (which dominated them for a long time). The croats were the only catholics that were allowed to hold mass in croatian and their native tongue instead of latin for example. So clearly the catholic church saw the lands as vital to hold on against orthodoxy as a bulwark with the italian peninsula.
    One thing you forgot to mention was that the avars probably spoke some sort of slavic common tongue, due to the extreme mass of slavs in their khaganate.

  • @davidradonjic4034
    @davidradonjic4034 Месяц назад +3

    Just be honest you wanted us to fight in comments and for you to enjoy reading it... Love from 🇷🇸

  • @RegTarg011
    @RegTarg011 22 дня назад +5

    Why havent you mentioned White Serbs from same region as White Croats? They did live next to eachother

    • @user-xj3ve7wt8k
      @user-xj3ve7wt8k 20 дней назад +6

      They came later, with Turks.

    • @Malac1998aaaaAaaaaa
      @Malac1998aaaaAaaaaa 17 дней назад

      Hahahahahahahahahaha serbs were white Croats before they came to the balkans

  • @warrior_kris1744
    @warrior_kris1744 17 дней назад +2

    I live in Bosnia, but i had never learned that we were mostly catholic in middle ages?!
    It is true that now there are more muslims than serbs, but back then it was mostly orthodoxy present
    Counting from 11th century and before Ottoman's at 15th century

    • @joeychestnut2437
      @joeychestnut2437 15 дней назад +1

      ?
      There were no serbs in Bosnia pre ottoman invasions. All the inhabitants of Bosnia were Croats pre Ottoman invasions. Video shows this.

    • @warrior_kris1744
      @warrior_kris1744 14 дней назад

      @joeychestnut2437 I am living my whole life here mate. Im preety sure we know our history better than any foreigner.
      Croats as the name weren't a thing until before WWI

    • @joeychestnut2437
      @joeychestnut2437 14 дней назад +1

      @ Keep on writing.... You're outting yourself as the fool you are.
      Croats werent a thing before ww2? lulz.
      Got any other good ones? Please comment back so i can have a good chuckle.

    • @warrior_kris1744
      @warrior_kris1744 14 дней назад

      @@joeychestnut2437 WW1 mate...read what i typed 🤷🏼‍♂️
      You are a foreigner who doesnt know our history.

    • @joeychestnut2437
      @joeychestnut2437 14 дней назад +1

      ​@
      Right. So what were todays Croats pre-ww1 and why did they just become a "thing" after ww1. Who made them a "thing".
      Genuinely interested in your theories. You sound like a credible historian.

  • @eddievet1
    @eddievet1 Месяц назад +12

    The region was called Ballkanas in recent years, prior to that it was called the Illyrian peninsula.

    • @user-irj1nxa3cof2z
      @user-irj1nxa3cof2z Месяц назад +3

      Turks named it . Even the word Illyria lost only when ottomans invaded

    • @RP68
      @RP68 Месяц назад

      Hum

  • @beorntwit711
    @beorntwit711 Месяц назад +12

    I love that they made this video, but I think it's worth showing in greater details the comparison between ethnic and geographic maps. The Slavic proto-nations were shaped by geography, the mountainous and hilly terrain of the region is what shaped their cultures, and protected them from domination by larger enemies that surrounded them on all sides (Avars/Mogyers, Byzantines, Franks and Lombards). It also kept them poor.

  • @wisephilosopher
    @wisephilosopher Месяц назад +1

    Good job with creating all these high quality videos. I particularly enjoy the videos centered around the Byzantine empire given that it's 1100 year history often goes unnoticed due to historians being particularly biased and whitewashing history telling it from a Celto Germanic perspective.

  • @yeassablij7529
    @yeassablij7529 Месяц назад +7

    If Croats and Serbians settled in the Balkans at different times,how come they speak the same language?

    • @valis25
      @valis25 Месяц назад +8

      The answer is simple, they don't speak the same language and Croats don't live in the Balkans, who told you that?

    • @Luke-ft3xd
      @Luke-ft3xd Месяц назад +18

      The Serbo-Croatian language was created and standardized only in the 19. century to promote the creation of Yugoslavia and Pan-Slavic unity. In the past, old Serbian dialects were a bit closer to Bulgarian while on the other hand, when the first Croatian duchies were formed, Croats mostly spoke a Slavic language/ dialect which was an ancestral form of what's now called Chakavian and it, along with Lower Pannonian dialects or Kajkavian, share some features with Slovenian dialects.
      But in the grand scheme of things, Slavic dialects would gradually transition, slowly changing village to village from Carinthia in modern day Austria and North Slovenia all the way down to Thrace in modern Bulgaria and Greece.

    • @arnorrian1
      @arnorrian1 Месяц назад +15

      Both Serbs and Croats were the second wave of Slavs, conquering the Slavs that were already there.

    • @TheSouth-j7f
      @TheSouth-j7f Месяц назад +6

      The Serbo-Croatian language was officially adopted as the state language of socialist Yugoslavia in 1954 for the first time.
      Serbia in the 19th century had major language reforms where they adopted Croatian grammar rules drawn up by the Croatian linguist Ljudevit Gaj who was born in Zagreb, Croatia.
      Also, Serbia adopted a Slavic dialect from outside of Serbia proper (from Herzegovina) for political reasons.

    • @arnorrian1
      @arnorrian1 Месяц назад +4

      @@TheSouth-j7f Serbian standard language is a mixture of East Hercegovina and Šumadija-Vojvodina dialects.

  • @dennynikaj
    @dennynikaj 16 дней назад +8

    Albanians watching this knowing that they are the only natives ❤️🇦🇱🇽🇰.

    • @user-sx2jx6yn3j
      @user-sx2jx6yn3j 15 дней назад +1

      There no dispute about that, Albanians unfortunately suffered a lot under the Slavic expansion but managed to survive. Interesting to see that even Montenegro was populated by Illyrians!

    • @VesnaBrcerevic
      @VesnaBrcerevic 15 дней назад

      😅😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣

    • @andrejivanov7145
      @andrejivanov7145 15 дней назад +3

      You are brought on the balkans from Caucasus, you are Turks 😂😂

    • @andrejivanov7145
      @andrejivanov7145 15 дней назад

      ​@@user-sx2jx6yn3jAlbanians didn't existed until 1912😂😂😂

  • @LiimpZ
    @LiimpZ Месяц назад +2

    Kings and General being generous with us over the christmas season. Thank you for putting in the work, much appreciated by us! Merry xmas and happy new year

  • @dardanhoti2039
    @dardanhoti2039 Месяц назад +41

    Lamartine: "Albanians, this nation and this people can not be mocked ... This is the land of heroes of all time ... Homer found there Achilles, the Greeks the Alexander the Great, Turks found Skanderbeg, people these of the same race, the same blood" .
    Maurico Druon, secretary of the French Academy: "Albanians belonging to those people older than History itself. Albanian grandparents participated in the war of Troy, led by Achilles (on one side) and Hector (the other side) ".
    Nicolas Iorga: "The Albanian people together and the Basques one are the oldest in Europe."
    Maximilian Lambertz: "The true History of the humanity will be written only when it will be written with the participation of Albanians".
    Huacunthe Hecquard: "In no country in the world women are not more respected and does not exercise a powerful activity than Albanian women, some Albanian mothers ousted from home their children because left the war front. They had returned them to the battlefield".
    Lord Byron: "Albanians with their costumes make a most wonderful scenery in the world ... Albanians are the most beautiful human race exists, courageous, stronger than their strongholds."
    Henry Noel Brailsford: "... The 'primitive' Albanian, in fact is the superhuman," of which Nietzsche dreamed."
    Giuseppe Katapano: "Atlantida which disappeared 12,000 years ago, was the land of the Illyrians (Pelasgians), who escaped the flood of Atlantis and began new civilizations on all continents, especially in Europe, Africa and Small Asia small".
    Agostino Ribeco: "The millennial Albanians Rights, ethnographic and geographic range from old times in Illyria, Macedonia and Thessaly."
    Branislav Nušić: "Albanians are indigenous, who during all invasions of peoples kept its type and character significantly. They faced attacks by Romans, dense Slavs raids, who invadet them all fields, plains, and rivers ".
    H. Dusko Konstantinov: "Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and direct descendants of the Illyrians, who had built the most powerful state in the Balkans."
    Edvin Jacques: "The Illyrians or Albanians, these stalwart warriors were Albanians, heirs of Achilles, Philip, Alexander the Great and the Piros of Epirus ...".
    Edvin Pears: "Albanians are descendants of the oldest race of the Balkan Peninsula, namely the Aryan race, to draw this word from two Albanian roots of words: Gold and side, which i.e. people of pure gold."
    Max Myle: "The names of of most familiar people derived from the old Albanian word 'Ar'. This also applies to many other countries of the world."
    Fanulla Papazogllu: "Dardania is one of the ancient Balkan provinces where the indigenous population is the best preserved."
    Jen Goss: "The origin of the Albanians to the time of Pelazgs and have pre-helen origin."
    Gustav Meier: "Albanians are young Illyrians".
    George Hahn: "Albanians are descendants of Illyrians, but the descendants of the Illyrians were Pelasgians ... Albanians are grandchildren of Pelasgians".
    Haki Pasha: "If the Albanian history emerges, the Ottoman Empire will go to the river".
    Harold Whitehal: "Egyptian hieroglyphics, created 4,000 years ago have Albanian significance".
    Henri Braisford: "In Macedonia, Albanians are the only indigenous people."
    Johan von Han: "The Albanian derives from Illyrian and the Illyrian from Pellasgian one".
    Jovan Cvijiq: "South Slavs, after arrived in the Balkans, found there the Albanians, who under their pressure (Slavs) retreated southward and to most mountainous areass, where we face today."
    Konstantin Paparigopulos: "Only the Albanians are considered descendants of the Illyrian race

    • @giceism2832
      @giceism2832 Месяц назад +5

      ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    • @pavleikonic3969
      @pavleikonic3969 Месяц назад +7

      Beack in azerbedzan

    • @user-irj1nxa3cof2z
      @user-irj1nxa3cof2z Месяц назад +4

      @@pavleikonic3969
      Have a nice trip 🤗

    • @jelkastadelmann3051
      @jelkastadelmann3051 Месяц назад

      Ilirian are not race, that is tribe

    • @user-irj1nxa3cof2z
      @user-irj1nxa3cof2z Месяц назад +7

      @@jelkastadelmann3051
      Race🇦🇱 . Tribes are different race is one

  • @Uzair_Of_Babylon465
    @Uzair_Of_Babylon465 Месяц назад +8

    Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍

  • @myfatherslegacy2431
    @myfatherslegacy2431 Месяц назад +2

    Interesting in 536 AD, for 18 months it was dark due to volcanic eruptions beginning with Krakatoa. Summer was as winter. Weather was rarely recorded in ancient history.
    What role did that play in the migration of these people.
    This was a global event recorded even by the tribes in Mexico, the ruler of China.

  • @GREGTZ1495
    @GREGTZ1495 Месяц назад +8

    Cool video :D but you could also mentioned Samo's kingdom and Karantanija state
    Keep doing great videos ! :)

    • @tongobong1
      @tongobong1 Месяц назад +1

      Yea he failed to mention the only true Slavic people in the Balkans. All the rest are only Slavic speaking so Slavicised Balkans that lived there since the first humans came to Europe and are not Indo-Europeans at all.

    • @vesnajelovac3951
      @vesnajelovac3951 Месяц назад

      ​@@tongobong1We are partly.

    • @tongobong1
      @tongobong1 Месяц назад

      @@vesnajelovac3951 Croats are only 24% Slavs and Serbs only 17%. The key is the dominant haplogroup and it is not Slavic among Croats and Serbs.

    • @vesnajelovac3951
      @vesnajelovac3951 Месяц назад

      @@tongobong1 Not true. Genetic test shows that Serbs are 50% slavic, Croats even more.

  • @alpineanubis
    @alpineanubis Месяц назад +8

    First recorded Slavic state was Carantania and Slovenes are their direct descendants. Definitely important enough that it should be mentioned in such a video

    • @unbeatable_all
      @unbeatable_all Месяц назад

      Descendants*

    • @alpineanubis
      @alpineanubis Месяц назад

      @@unbeatable_all yea ups thanks for correction i sometimes mix up those two terms for some reason😅

  • @Abarvez
    @Abarvez Месяц назад

    Big a long time follower I love this channel cause I’m a history nerd

  • @kaloyanmoskov6448
    @kaloyanmoskov6448 Месяц назад +57

    Based on DNA analyses it is now considered officially proven that the Proto-Bulgarians are not of Turkic origin.

    • @laonda5673
      @laonda5673 Месяц назад +7

      Yes but there founders were where they got there name from

    • @v.slavov
      @v.slavov Месяц назад +10

      I like how we care enough to correct that we are not Turkic but don't care enough to write down the actual origin.😅

    • @laonda5673
      @laonda5673 Месяц назад +4

      @@v.slavov so what is the actual origin of the bulgars?

    • @crnigruja1
      @crnigruja1 Месяц назад +1

      @@laonda5673 asia

    • @laonda5673
      @laonda5673 Месяц назад +3

      @@kaloyanmoskov6448 so what are they?

  • @MB-sh3dz
    @MB-sh3dz 20 дней назад

    Please make a video about medieval Bosnia! They had their own church which even produced the Bosnian crusade.

  • @DawidAugust
    @DawidAugust Месяц назад +7

    I cordially greet all the Slavonic Friends in here! One thing I have to add though is that for Us, The Western Slavs (Poles, Czechs and Slovaks) southern slavonic languages are difficult to understand when spoken. We could grasp some basic phrases like "dobra woda" but generally we cannot fully know what eg.Serbs say. I am afraid that Polish is the slavonic French as far as its sophistication and vocabulary and historical Polish development is concerned. Polish is the most elegant, rich, precise and nuanced Slavonic langauge and our vocabulary and spelling was used in recreating Czech in XIX century. For all these reasons I kindly suggest every Slavonic Brother to learn it as a benchmark language. Zdrav.

    • @kinglizard3406
      @kinglizard3406 Месяц назад +1

      Croatia have 3 big dialect -kajkavski around capital Zagreb and similiar to Slovenian,. Čajkavski- Dalmacia,. and Štolavski(literary dialcet ) - Slavonia .. so i get it why is hard to understand, and we have lot of German, Italian, Hungarian, Serbian, Turkish words

    • @banananas5648
      @banananas5648 Месяц назад +1

      Well said. I speak 4 languages, and when i learned french i understood we copied some words from french and italians

    • @Sp1tfire100
      @Sp1tfire100 Месяц назад

      Really? Polish language sounds ugly. To many consonants

  • @Definitelynotclickbait
    @Definitelynotclickbait Месяц назад +12

    Good video if you are completely new to the subject. But if you are already familiar a bit with Balkan peninsula lore through the ages you would find a lot of inconsistencies with newer interpretations of information from historical sources and a lot of details left out, which is understandable considering its a 20 min video.

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 Месяц назад

      history ITSELF = nothing but a FAIRYTALE, just spiked with a few facts here n there (ancient history that is in particular)

  • @alexboor7716
    @alexboor7716 12 дней назад

    This video should have been made 3 years ago rather than 3 weeks ago

  • @benimtelefoncaliyor1dk
    @benimtelefoncaliyor1dk Месяц назад +28

    The nomadic group under whose influence the Slavs fell were the Avars, one of the fiercest of the Turkic peoples to emerge from the Asian steppes, who had left a trail of destruction from as far afield as China. Their horse burials and characteristic jewellery make them easily identifiable, and though relatively few in number, they seem to have exerted a military hegemony over the more numerous Slavs. The two groups crossed the Danube in the 580s and seized a succession of Balkan towns and cities, reaching far south into the Peloponnese, until only a few coastal territories were left in Byzantine hands. There was considerable resistance at first, especially under the emperor Maurice in the 590s, but when Phocas seized power in 602 he no longer attempted to hold the Danube frontier, and the pace and density of Avar-Slav settlement greatly increased. The city of Thessalonica was one of the few that held out in the face of sustained barbarian attacks. Its citizens credited the city's survival to the efforts of their patron saint Demetrius, believing that he fought on their side on the city walls and rescued them from starvation during the siege by diverting the corn supply from Constantinople. The saint's popularity, strengthened by these crises, was to remain high in Thessalonica and in the Byzantine world as a whole. A gold and enamel reliquary, though ating from a much later period, well expresses the faith which the aint inspired. The hinged enamel plaque shows St Demetrius lying in his shrine; it opens to show the same scene in embossed gold. The inscription round the edge, prays to have you his keen defender in battles, anointed by your blood and balm', refers to the blood and oil which continued to issue from his shrine, and the whole construction of the reliquary is witness to the belief that, though dead, the saint was still alive. The city elieved it had been saved only by supernatural protection, a belief which the whole of Byzantium was soon to share.

    • @ap6480
      @ap6480 Месяц назад +4

      Chatgpt ahh text

    • @djRichyRichh
      @djRichyRichh Месяц назад

      Avars Are Not turkish

  • @Writer-Two
    @Writer-Two Месяц назад +20

    18:13 What happened to Slovenia?

    • @Alex-mn1fb
      @Alex-mn1fb Месяц назад +9

      They would be insulted to be mentioned, they consider themselves, as Slavoj Zizek points out, Mittel Europa, and not Balkans 😅😄

    • @Writer-Two
      @Writer-Two Месяц назад +1

      @@Alex-mn1fb Okay, I wasn't talking about that. In this image, they ate a piece of Austria.

    • @Alex-mn1fb
      @Alex-mn1fb Месяц назад +3

      @@Writer-Two I know I know, I was just teasing. Slovenians are still South Slavs, agreed.

    • @Writer-Two
      @Writer-Two Месяц назад +1

      @@Alex-mn1fb Alright

    • @febo48
      @febo48 Месяц назад +6

      The capital of Carantania was in todays Austria at Klagenfurt. Carantania in 8th century consisted most of today's Austria.

  • @NS-mz8gq
    @NS-mz8gq Месяц назад +2

    I like watching your history clips but have done a bit more research because the main reason why the Slavs were able to occupy the Balkans was the Justinian plague devastated the indigenous population and the Avars/Huns were together with the Slavs raiding the Balkans which was part of the Roman Empire.

  • @thetruechaby
    @thetruechaby Месяц назад +20

    Great video. Since you mentioned the White Croats, you should've also mentioned the White Serbs. And, you could've also mentioned that, albeit briefly, Serbia was an empire, too, just like Bulgaria. Speaking of Bulgaria, a llittle bit of consistency would be nice - the Slavs didn't migrate to Bulgaria, rather Thrace, the eastern Balkans or, at least, modern-day Bulgaria, since it didn't exist at the time; in the way you correctly used "modern-day Croatia and Montenegro".

    • @TheSouth-j7f
      @TheSouth-j7f Месяц назад +9

      Serbia used to be called "Raska" and not Serbia (old spelling Servia),

    • @thetruechaby
      @thetruechaby Месяц назад

      @@TheSouth-j7f Agreed.

    • @Saulgud23
      @Saulgud23 Месяц назад +12

      ​@@TheSouth-j7f true but Raska was just one of the Serbian lands along with Duklja, Travunija, Zahumlje and others

    • @TheSouth-j7f
      @TheSouth-j7f Месяц назад +3

      @@Saulgud23 Nonsense.

    • @tomislavjanjic3611
      @tomislavjanjic3611 Месяц назад +3

      @@TheSouth-j7f nonsense in what way?

  • @JohnMartinez-2444
    @JohnMartinez-2444 Месяц назад +6

    Love the video was watching football 🏈

  • @Kol2388
    @Kol2388 Месяц назад +1

    Cirilica in the video, nice touch.

  • @kylirwolffe5614
    @kylirwolffe5614 Месяц назад +23

    You forget the Celts used to own and live in the Balkans.

    • @yajurka
      @yajurka Месяц назад +14

      By the time Slavs arrived, Celts were almost completely absorbed by Illyrians and Thracians. They were dominant from about 4th century BC to 2nd century CE.

    • @Anonymous07192
      @Anonymous07192 Месяц назад +6

      All of them were romanized so they mostly weren't even celts anymore

    • @kylirwolffe5614
      @kylirwolffe5614 Месяц назад +3

      @Anonymous07192 @yajurka Im fully aware of that. Just wish small details were mentioned in passing such as this in their videos.

    • @Anonymous07192
      @Anonymous07192 Месяц назад

      @@kylirwolffe5614 small detail of goths weren't included either. During the fall of the Western Roman empire when hordes of dirty savage Germans were pouring through the borders of civilization, they also broke into the northern Balkan borders of the Eastern Roman Empire and eventually settled there and romanized as well. Basically Battle of Adrianople made sure of that.

    • @istvansipos9940
      @istvansipos9940 Месяц назад

      @@kylirwolffe5614 they cannot mention off-topic details. If they did, their video would be several hours lonng. Neanderthals, Greeks, Romans, Macedons, Celts, many other folks NOT mentioned in this one to keep the video reasonably short, focused on the topic

  • @mikemodugno5879
    @mikemodugno5879 Месяц назад +3

    Fascinating video. I would love to see you cover the Eastern Roman Catepanate of Italy.

  • @ウェシュミン
    @ウェシュミン Месяц назад +1

    This episode from Kings and Generals is another outstanding installment! The way it delves into the arrival of the Slavs in the Balkans is both captivating and educational. The video not only simplifies historical facts but also presents them in a whole new light. The way you’ve showcased the history, culture, and regional journey of the Slavs is truly remarkable.
    However, I have a few questions-can we learn more about the impact of the Slavs' arrival on the civilizations that existed in the Balkans beforehand? And was it possible that small groups of Slavs had already settled there before their full migration?
    Also, is there any clear record of the process by which the Slavs mixed with other groups, contributing to the development of their cultural identity?
    Thanks for helping us understand this fascinating history, and I look forward to more enlightening videos like this one! 🌟✨

  • @Piloti.
    @Piloti. Месяц назад +25

    🇬🇷🇦🇱

  • @soumyadiptamajumder8795
    @soumyadiptamajumder8795 Месяц назад +11

    Slavs in the Balkans are more open, loud, gesticulate more often and have more southerner feeling to them. Influence is also very different, Balkan has that Greek, Turkish, and maybe to a small extent Italian and French influence.
    Other slavs like Russians, Poles, Czech, at least to me, seem more reserved, colder, sometimes a bit more professional and well composed. Their cultural influence mostly comes from either Russia or Germany. Their food and architecture can sometimes be very different from the Balkans.
    The only similarity is the language but even that has different influences for example Balkans tend to have more Turkish and Greek or Italian words

    • @byoken
      @byoken Месяц назад +2

      Balkan Slavs have been mixing with native Balkan people for centuries now. They have also mixed with Turks as well.

    • @soumyadiptamajumder8795
      @soumyadiptamajumder8795 Месяц назад

      @@byoken Slavs:
      East Slavs: Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians.
      West Slavs: Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs.
      South Slavs (Balkan Slavs): Serbs, Bulgarians, Croats, Bosniaks, Macedonians, Slovenians, Montenegrins.
      Balkaners that aren't Slavic: Romanians, Greeks, Turks, Albanians.
      Balkan countries: Turkey (partly), Greece, Albania, North Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Kosovo (debatable, depends on do you recognize it as country), Bosnia & Herzegovina, Montenegro, Croatia (debatable, some say its central Europe and not Balkan), Slovenia (again debatable, same reason as Croatia)
      Slavic countries: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus (east slavic countries), Poland, Czechia, Slovakia (West slavic countries), Croatia, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Slovenia, Bulgaria (South Slavic countries)
      There are also Slavic ethnic groups without their own country that some see as part of another ethnic group and some as their own thing. Sorbs are West Slavs and I think only ones that nobody is going "nah they are Slovaks/Serbs/etc.", you also have Kashubians for West Slavs which some group as sub group of Polish, some as their own thing, Rusyns who are east slavs sometimes dubbed as sub group of Ukranians, sometimes recognized as their own and Gorani who are South slavs and don't really have specific group they are dubbed sub group of since some recognize themselves as Serbs, Albanians, Muslim Bulgarians, Turks and such but some also see themselves as their own thing.

  • @bakthihapuarachchi3447
    @bakthihapuarachchi3447 7 часов назад

    I've heard that the raids of Attila the Hun largely depopulated most of the Balkans of its pre Slavic inhabitants, making it easier for the Slavs to settle in. Is this true?

  • @AltinAltini
    @AltinAltini Месяц назад +9

    In the Balkans there were two problems: the Serbs and the Turks.

  • @LukeBunyip
    @LukeBunyip Месяц назад +3

    That filled in some gaps. Ta muchly

  • @VigilantGuardian6750
    @VigilantGuardian6750 Месяц назад +13

    Illyrian power > slavs : muscle :
    2nd wave of slavs > northern/eastern slavs

  • @samtela6473
    @samtela6473 24 дня назад +6

    Serbs think they were always in serbia 😅😂… meanwhile the reality is much different

    • @VesnaBrcerevic
      @VesnaBrcerevic 15 дней назад

      Што ти бринеш о Србима и шта Срби мисле? Мучи те нешто, гризе те савест можда?

  • @kr435hko
    @kr435hko 17 дней назад +2

    Serf-ian coping hard in the comments

  • @Atreadis
    @Atreadis Месяц назад +6

    When I saw the title my first thought was: " Wow, Kings and Generals are really looking to start another war... ". But i have to hand it to you guys, you did great.

  • @Ipostas-xp6jb
    @Ipostas-xp6jb Месяц назад +7

    Serbian haplogroups predominantly include:
    • Proto European I2a: 36.6-43.1%
    • Mediterranean E1b1b: 16.5-18.2%,
    • Slavic R1a: 14.9-15%,
    •Western European R1b: 5-6%

    • @petarn2204
      @petarn2204 Месяц назад +7

      Actually R1a is originally Slavic......but I2-PH908 entered Slavic ethnogenesis in Ukraine and Belorussia before 2000 years, and they came to Balkan along with R1a.
      So R1a+I2-PH908 are Slavic.

    • @latakicsi2183
      @latakicsi2183 Месяц назад +2

      @@petarn2204 I2 is from WHG people they were the first european...today serbians have 12% of slavic only

    • @vesnajelovac3951
      @vesnajelovac3951 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@petarn2204You are right

    • @mCURIOS1893
      @mCURIOS1893 20 дней назад

      @@petarn2204the oldest homosapiens in Europe were the the Cromagnons around 40000 years ago, they were C haplogroup , related to the ancestors of modern Chinese and Mongolians, then around 30000 years ago haplogroup IJ entered Europe, IJ is originally from Caucasus and Iran, and around 25000 years ago I haplogroup developed in Europe and it’s known as Western hunter Gatherer, the only haplogroup originally from Europe, it was in all Central Europe before the arrival of Anatolian farmers and Eastern Hunter Gatherer. The Anatolian farmers in Europe were G haplogroup , like Vinca culture, G originate in Middle East , J and E, J originally from Middle East or Caucasus , E originated from North Africa, related to the ancestors of the Egyptian probably. R haplogroup originated in Central Asia and around 20000 years ago separated to R1a and R1b , both found in Yamnaya culture in the Pontic-Caspian steppe around 3600 BC, so called Proto Indo Europeans, R1b it’s the first to defuse in Europe around 15000 years ago and mix with I haplogroup in all Central and North Europe. R1b it’s haplogroup of the Celtic and Italic, R1b mixed with I1 are the ancestors of the Germanic, R1b mixed with E were the Thracians, R1b mixed with J are the Hellenic, R1b mix with J and G is the Armenian, and R1b mixed with J and E are the Illyrians. R1a remains in the original homeland from Central Asia to the Baltic, where separate to R1a-z93 the Indo Iranic, Arians, Scythians, Saka, and R1a-z283 in North Europe, R1a-z283 mix with the Germanic, make the Scandinavians , R1a-z283 mix with I2 the Balto Slavic . From there we are all one big mixture of the same people moving around Europe and mixing with each other.

    • @mCURIOS1893
      @mCURIOS1893 20 дней назад

      @@petarn2204and I2 was much earlier than 2000 years ago in the Balkans, Varna Culture 4600 BC was already mix of R1b, I2, E, G and the richest tomb was T haplogroup.

  • @deviousnate7238
    @deviousnate7238 Месяц назад +1

    I am very glad you're doing a Slavic series. I have a great-grandfather who emigrated from a village in Slovakia, so I have always thought I should take more time to know their history.

  • @brymht
    @brymht Месяц назад +5

    it seemed like this video repeated itself a bunch

  • @triadack4750
    @triadack4750 Месяц назад +21

    The Bulgars may have been turkic, byt they were certainly not Turkish. The use of the crescent moon seems to be very amateur in an itherwise professional channel.

    • @Valkyraw
      @Valkyraw Месяц назад +2

      The crescent and moon outdated turkish people and the ottomans.
      It goes very far back into turkic roots.
      You can try to denounce us turks from our roots as much as you want, you won't get away with it. It may work for you europeans cause you are shit, but we are a united people.

    • @peterruskov
      @peterruskov Месяц назад +1

      Bulgarians are not turkic or ever spoke turkic language.

    • @Valkyraw
      @Valkyraw Месяц назад

      @@peterruskov yes they have been, the slavs just took everything from the turks and now call it slavic. Bulgarian is turkic coming from the Bulgars.

    • @peterruskov
      @peterruskov Месяц назад +1

      @@Valkyraw Slavs is a linguistic descriptor and not an ethnic group and as such has nothing to do with the Turkic linguistic group. Bulgarians in the historical texts were often called Moesi and with Dacians, Getaes, Bessi etc. are part of the Thracian ethnic group, who with Illyrians and Scythians originate from the proto-balkan population. Here is your free history course, Cheers!

    • @iAmirx
      @iAmirx Месяц назад +1

      @@peterruskovBulgarians were originally Turkic from the Volga/Caucasus area. A big group of them migrated to modern day Bulgaria and assimilated there. As the Turkic speaking Bulgar elite was in the minority they took on the local culture and language as the Slavs were a majority. Hence the existince of Greater Bulgaria in what is now Tatarstan (and perhaps also the name of the Turkic Balkar people in the Caucasus?).
      Thus: the name is of Turkic origin, the people/culture however is Slavic.

  • @Lushi178
    @Lushi178 Месяц назад

    love series about Slavs hopefully, you will guys made video about every Slavic nations
    I love this chanel, hope you guys best!