Facts. I'm a 2hander and not a particularly good one but I'm unashamed to admit I abandoned the grind of 1H for the immediate gratification of playing better with 2H.
This is exactly why I'm sticking with 1 hand. Just looks freaking cool and so slick. I absolutely have respect for two-handers and recognize that the sport is definitely headed in that direction. I think it has brought excitement to the game. I just feel like an 8-year old when I throw it like that lol.
I grew up bowling one-handed and the last 5 years I’ve switched to two-handed and once you get the motion down, I can honestly say it’s significantly easier 😂.
I am bowling for 25 years, i am a certified coach/trainer on ETBF level 2 I started to try 2 handed 3 years ago, in 2019, because like you said, modern play requires a lot more revs, and as a 1 hander my revrate is about 300-350. As a 2 hander my revrate went up to 500-550. I have done this for 2,5 years, and even though my strikes were beautifull to watch, i had so much trouble with consistancy. I was practicing for 16-20 hours a week, but i just couldn't stay consistant. Now on my house shots this was no problem for my strike throws, because i had a lot of room of margin, but since i play tournaments as well, i saw my average drop 10 points (5 = max per year) in 2 year. I also had a lot of trouble with my spares on right side of the lane with my spareball, what also caused my lower scoring. On a good night, i hardly was making any spares, and i could shot 250 average. But i also had nights with 130 average over 3 games, because i simply couldn't make my spares, and my strikes were going through the nose a lot, leaving hard to make spares to begin with. It was all or nothing it seemed. I changed back to 1 handed last season, and i am glad i did, my average went back up (bij 13 pins). I threw 6 tournaments, of which in 5 i made it to the finals. My spares are on point, and i have been keeping track of my spares, and out of 74 games, i have had only 5 spares missed, not counting the splits
As someone who recently switched that has been my biggest problem. My consistency is not as good as it was 1 handed. I can bowl a 220 game 1, 216 game 2, and 118 game 3. I would rarely bowl under 160-170 1 handed. I'm sure with time I will get more consistent since I only been 2 handed for a month now, but 100 pin difference hurts. LOL
@@gusk I hope I figure something out. A young 2hander that works at the pro shop where I bowl league has been helping me a lot so I have faith still. Plus the tendon in my thumb is jacked up so there is no going back to 1 handed for me.
@@cbrdealer Well there is always a way back, but i get what you mean. I really hope it works out great for you, because lets face it, it looks so much cooler than a 1hander, unless you are EJ Tacket
The reason I decided to stick with one hand is because I think it looks cooler and slicker. I'm up to about a 350 rev rate and I'll be happy if I can get into the 400s. When I really whip the ball the right way it feels so freaking cool.
I’m a young two hander and when I try to make this point most people disagree. When I see a high average 1 hander I’m more impressed than watching a high average 2 hander
I’m 15 and only been bowling since like the ending of 2019 and I’ve been one handed the entire time, and right now I have a 450-500 rev rate and a 203 average on sport 1 handed, and I kind of want to see more one handers on the field
I was a two handed bowler but I recently switched to one handed because it felt like I was playing on easy mode so I made the switch and it’s really hard to do because I’m basically starting from zero again
The thumb soreness and problems are the main reason why I’m considering going to 2 handed. I want to be able to play more and practice more but I have never ever had a thumb hole that I’ve been comfortable with. They always have some issue that makes it uncomfortable and feel bad after even 2 or 3 games. I feel like just eliminating it altogether will be the best option for not only my comfort but my enjoyment of the game long term.
I’ve only been bowling a year and a half now. When I first picked up a bowling ball I tried different ways but found more consistency with my thumb in and just stuck with it. I find it really satisfying bowling the traditional way but that’s just me. I guess everyone has their preference
"Its almost impossible to have a higher Rev rate with your thumb in the ball" Exactly. Clearing the thumb takes time that the two handers don't need to waste.
I’m glad that someone finally said it im in a league team w 2 handed and 1 handed bowlers me being one of the 1 handers AND im left handed so im just glad you were confident enough to say something
You forgot to add that one handed bowlers with a 400+ rev rate just make the game look so much sexier than using 2 hands….don’t take the easy way out people. If bowling was meant to use 2 hands it would have started that way, just my opinion.
That’s the main reason I haven’t switched yet 😂 I don’t like how clunky most two handers getting to the foul line. I do respect the forms of Chris Via and Kyle Troup though
Old guy here. Grew up one handed. Came back to the game recently although I have been paying attention to the changes over the years. Struggle with strike percentage. In the pocket plenty but single pin leaves and a 55 percent strike percentage add up to a lot of grind days. Messed around with two handed or thumb out one handed like TD and, on a house shot can spray it around and carry stupid hits. But, on tough shots I do better than on house because it makes more sense to what I grew up on. On my third re-fit in the last year and a half since returning to the game and now have it where I can throw ten games and my thumb has no issues.. that's a first. That plus a Pro Shop guy who knows layouts has helped me up the rev rate.. even for an old guy who still insists on throwing 16 because it does hit harder. I get plenty of ball motion one handed and can barely keep the ball on the lane thumbless because I become rev dominant without the thumb and can't quite get the speed high enough to counteract that and I don't want to drop down to 14 to make that happen. Can't imagine what would happen if I threw 14 and suddenly ran in to old heavy pins like we used to have to knock down. Today's game, being what it is, favors high revs but I am going to stick, stubbornly, to one handed.
I started 11 months ago 1 handed because my dad was teaching me. I didn't even know of two-handed bowling at the time, but then i tried it and realized its so eazy, but like you said, I'm stubborn so I'm not changing.
I’ve been bowing 2 handed for a while now and the reason it’s easier is because you don’t have to force your hand to stay under the ball as much as you would 1 hand. Also if you don’t much strength, that extra hand is a great help.
I always tell anyone (older than 13 anyways) to start one handed and figure out the mechanics and then determine if two handed will work better. You definitely figure out the fundamentals better when going one handed vs two. I started one handed but switched in the spring for 2 reasons: I was tired of fighting the thumb hole and throwing two handed believe it or not was easier on my back (low back issues). I do find it harder to be accurate two handed vs one, my spare game suffered greatly when I first switched. It’s near impossible to get the ball rolling forward, even spare balls will hook if you don’t flatten your hand properly. I do have 2 kids (4&6) and I got them both throwing two handed. It’s very easy for them to do seeing that even the 6# ball is 1/5 their body weight lol!
2 handed is not 'easier' than 1 handed. EASY is a subjective term. Objectively, 2 handed produces faster results for the new and unskilled bowler, but over time, 2 handed is just as hard as 1 handed. As others pointed out the spare game is more difficult for 2H because of the challenge of flattening the hand out to roll the ball straight without hook. 1H has the thumb and fit issues as well as the challenge of playing deeper in the lane with less revs. So each style has its pros and cons. I wonder though....over time, will the 2H'ers be able to last as long on the lanes as the 1H'er? The twisting of the core and spine is bound to take it's toll on the body faster with the 2H'ers. Who knows, only time will tell.
I tend to agree with you and I'm old. I went for lessons for a year or so when I retired. I learned quite a bit and started using my engineering skills to improve my game. I didn't know much about reactive resin converstocks and knew nothing about cores. The main thing I learned from the lessons was to understand that I was working way too hard to bowl. I was throwing the ball way too fast and I was trying too hard to make the ball hook. I recognized that ball fit was something I learned about on my own, too. Fit can help a one hander quite a bit to relax their hand and get the ball into a roll. A pendulum type swing can allow gravity to do most of the work to get a more or less consistent ball speed. Getting to know your arsenal helps tons and learning about ball maintenance plays a pretty role as well. These days I usually can switch from one ball to another and have pretty good confidence where I should stand and target to get better ball action as the session moves on. When I was much younger with my Black Beauty ball, I didn't think like I do now while I bowled. I just got up there and chucked it down the lane and some decent scores a lot of the time. Having fun bowling in a senior league now... :) :)
Each have pros and cons, one handers can keep there head down pointed down lane in a more stable position and can get easy speed due to the high pack swing pendulum, but have to work at generating revs. Two handers can immediately get the revs, but that isn’t everything. Your using way more spine tilt which creates another variable, less head stability (unless you work at it like anything), and you can’t have as high of a backswing or else your head will be pointed at the floor. I could go on but you get the point. If you really think two handed it better or more optimal or give you a competitive price edge, you would have already made the switch and so would most of the pros making a living on the sport.
People who have trouble getting the thumb out.. drill the thumb hole like you do the finger tip. Just to the first knuckle. That's how I drilled my last to balls it was like have no thumb but with control. My revs increased alot compared to my thumb being all the way in. The bigger span between fingers hole and thumb hole took about a game and half to get use to. But it's worth it.
I agree with your statement that 2 handed is easier to start with. I do think it is harder to get better with 1 hand aswell as we are not in a powerful position when we start. I personally have a Rev rate of 480ish with 1 hand and I've tried to make the switch but body just doesn't move that way. So if I could make my body move that way I would be bowling two hands aswell.
I guess I should also add that I was a collegiate bowler. I averaged 231 last year and have been 225 + since I've been out of college. I bowl alot of sport tournaments as well and starting from scratch would be difficult for me.
Not having to worry about revs/fit is a huge advantage when you're starting. It also saves people like me who have shoulder issues. I will say that there is no replacing how smooth a 1-hander can look.
I definitely agree with your first point. No beginner is going to have crazy revs and ball motion starting out. Im new to bowling and it took me about a full year to learn to hook the ball one handed. Somedays I would get pissed it wasn't hooking and threw a few two handed and the ball hooked a made a nice motion down lane. To get the same revs as a one hander you needs years of practice. And, as you say, your hand is naturally more under the ball and for longer.
I'll never switch unless I have no other option. Been doing it one handed way too long and in pretty damn good at it. Also, I love taking the two handers to school on the lanes. Especially the ones who think they're pro level material on a house pattern.
I'm a 2 hander, self taught, been bowling weekly for almost a year now. My average is 205 2 handed. I've been dabbling into one handed recently, and my first full game one handed, I had the front 5 and shot my average
From the standpoint of the modern game. If i was going to coach someone and teach them how to bowl I would teach them 2 handed. You still need to have proper release. In my area I bowl like Daugherty (1 handed no thumb) the 2 handers here are "spin biscuits". Due to a thumb injury I have changed from bowling with a thumb to not using a thumb. I developed a game that was decent 1 handed (with a thumb). I have developed a "pro release" when it comes to the release.
The most different and difficult part is the thumb itself and keeping your fit perfect. The feeling of the thumb is a must for being consistent. The fact that this just disappears when playing 2 handed is ridiculous.
Walter ray is a great example. He switched to 2 handed and bowled a 300 like a month or so later 😂 granted, his form doesn’t look the best, but when’s the last time you heard someone go to one handed and bowl a 300? Once you get the motion of 2 handed, it’s easier.
I would say it's more difficult to get ball speed up on 2-handed which can make bowling on dry lanes more difficult. However as I have developed my 2handed game, to compensate for my low speed (13-14mph if my local alley is to be believed), I have experimented with different hand positions to adjust the way the ball spins to either go straighter or hook more if needed down lane. Something I could never figure out bowling 1 handed.
I bowled fingertip 20 years ago, stopped, picked up bowling again cuz of my two handed friend. Tried his ball several games two handed. Super revs, higher speed, more explosive strikes. Bought my own ball, went back to fingertip, slower speed, low revs, leaving weird spares. Two handed is easier to pick up and start striking.
I genuinely believe that having done both for some time, there are strengths and weaknesses to both. I think with a player like your experience, it would be significantly easier for you because you have your fundamentals down pat. I don’t. So when I throw one handed, I get wayyy more accurate and consistent but less hooking. I play two handed, I can hook the lane better, but my revs are still around 300 and I’m inconsistent as hell. Maybe it truly is easier to play with two hands, but for a beginner like me, it makes no difference. At the end of the day I still can’t pass 150 either way I go.
Don't forget about Anthony simson 2end best two hander is rpm is over 500+ and the best one hander is norm duke he can play stright with any ball and get carry and pin action
I signed up for a fall/winter league after getting back into bowling this year. I honestly should have worked to try to learn 2 handed this summer instead of bowling in my summer league I was in. I don't have the time to work on the proper 1 handed release to generate enough power and revs to get my scores competitive. Feel like it'll be a chore to try to bowl 1 handed in league each week, and try to practice/learn 2 handed on any day I can get in that isn't league night.
Agree with everything you said here. Had surgery on my wrist a couple years back and things never got 100% back, so finally switched to two handed this year for league. It's 100% easier.
If you watch all the pro 1 handers vs 2 handers, all the 1 handers are all taped up, thumb wrist fingers, two handers, nothing most of the time. It’s less stress on your hand meaning you can bowl longer and be more consistent. IMO
Definitely agree with you. Im stubborn and a huge masochist!😂 It definitely seems that I’m one of the few people who actually has a lower rev rate two handed.
I bowl one handed with no thumb in. My stepdad first showed me how to do it and I really like it. I average about 140-150 and I’ve only bowled a couple of months
Sucks to say but you're probably gonna stay like that... it's far too inconsistent. Either bowl two-handed or bowl one-handed thumb in! You'll definitely improve.
These conversations always seem to focus on ball motion alone as the key metric for two handed making the game easy. It is absolutely easier to create ball motion two handed, so much so that it requires a great deal of skill to create less when needed. Ball motion isn’t the only deciding factor in making the game easy or hard; if it was Norm Duke or Francois Lavoie would never be able to beat Svensson, Belmonte, Simonsen, Palermaa, but they have and it’s because bowling is hard and they (everyone I just listed) are amazing at this game. Proper roll and release one handed is very hard. Proper roll and ball motion two handed is also hard; most who do it, don’t do the way the pros do. While true that anyone can use two hands and create great ball motion, I’d challenge anyone who thinks it’s easy mode to try it for a league season. Try it for a 4 - 8 game block in a tournament. It’s extremely hard to be consistent and it’s hard on your body to do it well. Sure you’ll get strikes but you’re not stringing them unless you’re a good bowler. The main takeaway here is that anyone who is able to be consistent and use their approach to the game to achieve 220+ averages have accomplished something amazing.
I'm a 2 hander. Sometimes I feel envious of 1 hander cuz for me, I think 2 handed can make the ball curve easily, but it's hard to control the ball, and make the 10 pin spare 🥹 Sometimes when I met some very difficult patterns or very dry patterns, it will make me feel very upset because I will over hook every times 😣 I think it's because my skill is not good enough😅 Oh! And I think 1 hander is very cool!
I agree with you that two-handed can be easier starting out hooking the ball more, but I think to become consistent two handed is much more difficult. I started out as one handed bowler and was much more consistent to begin with, once I switched to two handed, it has taken me countless hours of practice and working on my release and form to get to the level of consistency I had with one-handed, so I don’t necessarily agree that it is easier overall
"One handed there is so much more to learn, when you start bowling you will have no rev rate at all. It takes years to get a good release, nice and smooth". -220 Ave I couldn't agree more. I could not even hook the ball for over a year, when I bowl two handed it hooks like crazy. You have less to refine perhaps then one handed. You already have high revs so that aspect of the release is one less thing. You can then focus on everything else needed to bowl good. And for one handed bowlers the thumb is a big obstacle to overcome, and its completely irrelevant when 2-handed.
I’m naturally a 1 handed, no thumb, curve baller, I score 200 + , easily, & I’ve only been bowling seriously for a few weeks, I’m still a rookie, & I see how two handers get the ball down the lane much easier, & fancy how they can curve the ball both ways but most of them lack on accuracy, like tough spares, overall, I’ve never seen many great two handers, (not including the pros, of course) , but definitely many many, great one handers.
im sure u dont avg 200+ easily after bowling only a few weeks...LMAO..just the lingo u are using "curve baller" says a lot about your experience and what u probably really bowl on avg (about 165). The fact u bowl one handed no thumbs screams casual bowler.
@@ericpadilla2454 some people have to work to get it, & some people just naturally have it, lol, if I could post my scores I would, but more like 215, 203, 222, the highest I’ve went is 250, what do I have to lie for? Jealous? because you’ve been bowling for years & a newbie is already better then you? So what I don’t know the “lingo” I’m naturally good dude, fast learner, Lol I know it hurts, just take the L, stop bowling ,if your not getting better.
@@ericpadilla2454 but I must mention. These are house shot scores, doesn’t take much to strike, (for good players😜) i haven’t played a sport pattern, yet, I know it’s much different, much harder. I’m more then the casual bowler though, I have all my equipment, 3 bowling balls, just a start. I’ll get there eventually. As I learn more of the actual knowledge of bowling for the nerds (like you) ,I’ll move up the ranks, good luck!
@@deejayft8218 lmao. Yea i doubt anything u said is true. And u sure as hell arent better than me mr house shot. I have bowled in a casual league with a house shot pattern with an avg of 220. Avain, i doubt u bowl on avg at 200+. Im sure u had a good night but i doubt u bowled an entire season and avg that much with only a few weeks of playing. And why would lie for? Well, just like everyone else who would lie online, for likes and attention. Good luck on your journey though, just know lying about who u are dont make u a better player
@@ericpadilla2454 I can say everything your saying isn’t true also, but will I? No, because, I believe it’s possible, some people are just naturally gifted, sure I still have rough nights but overall, 200’s don’t excite me anymore, I’m used to it, have a great journey too pal, if I ever make a RUclips channel for bowling, I’ll be sure to make sure Eric Padilla knows about it ! 😁
I just had to switch to 2 handed because of issues with the tendon in my thumb. 2 handed bowling is by far easier. The hardest thing with 1 handed bowling is clearing your thumb and you don't have to worry about that. You don't have to worry about grabbing and a lot of other things. I love not having thumb issues/pain.
I started as a 1 hander without my thumb then i injured my wrist and made the switch to 2 handed to take some pressure off my wrist now i dont want to go back to 1 handed
I just started about 2 months ago and i literally tried 2 handed no thumb and i get mid to high 100s. If i bowl 1 handed i bowl straight like super straight and can't hook my ball at all. I have a rhino drilled fingertips and the only way i hook it 1 handed is if im just standing there and drop the ball lol. I know you're not supposed to squeeze but if i don't squeeze my ball is falling out of my hand on my backswing (happened 2x lol...)
One thing I will say about two handed (I try to be somewhat of a hybrid) but only bowl one handed in leagues - is that two handed at least for me feels a little more physically demanding. I try to get my ball speed up and after a game I’m winded. I guess it could be my form being improper or something of that nature, but after a session of two handed bowling my quads and glutes are angry, lol. But I do agree with all of the points you made. I started a little over a year ago and when I threw the ball two handed with a low flaring ball like the twist, I had so much room for error even throwing the ball like shit..I was still probably at 375-400 RPM and the ball would almost always come back. It does require time and effort to perfect as with anything else, but you’re likely to achieve your goals so much faster bowling two handed. My body unfortunately, just isn’t conditioned for it I guess.
I agree starting out you’re going to be a better bowler 2 handed over 1 but I think you hit a wall being a 2 handed where you have everything else but accuracy where as that’s where 1 handers shine
For beginners and “house shot heroes” the answer to easier is yes. For people who are bowling on challenge and sport patterns on the regular, I would strongly disagree. A guy I bowled with just spent 5 years trying to bowl two handed but after spending a few years on sport leagues and not being able to compete has now gone back to one handed and is throwing with far better consistency. All those revs and all that pin carry is only good when you can hit the pocket. Although there can sometimes be a bigger pocket for two handers, there can also be a lot more trouble with the small miss.
I've always compared this to using the Force. Two-handed/no thumb = Dark Side. It's quicker, easier, more seductive. Per Yoda, it's not more powerful (but c'mon, we all know it's more powerful). Traditional/thumb = Light Side of the Force.
I think one handed is easier to become better and consistent quicker since you can play very old school fundamental based throwing up 10 all day since all you really have to worry about is getting your thumb out and hitting that simple mark. 2 hands is much easier for sure to have more power and revs but some people starting out 2 handed struggle with that
I would love to switch… my 2 handed friends have a much easier time when the conditions are bad or unpredictable. I physically can’t 2 hand the ball. My brain is stuck and doesn’t understand the 2 handed timing. I didn’t make our local college team and I think not being able to adjust as a one handed to hook the entire lane was a factor 😔
I practice one handed and two handed and agree with most of it except the rev rate thing for beginners it’s true but my rev rate one handed is still over 450
Oh and I have shot 300 one handed and two handed I will agree easier for beginners but there is a time and place for a lower rev rate that’s why we still see franky winning majors
I started 5 months ago and am averaging around 180(started 2 handed) if I would’ve started as a 1 hander my ass would be averaging probably around a 120-130🤣 it’s so much easier 2 handed no doubt
I wouldn't say it is easier to bowl. I would say it is easier to hook the ball and get a higher rev rate. It is hard either way. You have to perfect it to be good. The hard part of bowling two-handed is the athleticism to bowl two-handed, and creating enough speed to get the ball down the lane. Consistency is hard either way. Takes skill and practice to be good.
Impossible to give proper advice like this over the internet. I’d need to know how you bowl, ball speed, rev rate, what the lanes are like where you bowl, etc. But generally, if you’re bowling on house shots, lower end stuff is good
if u bowl on house pattern, the safe bet would be a phaze 2 or a mid tier ball like DV8 Collision. You dont want heavy hitters. Those two balls are very beginner friendly and have good margin of error regardless of rev rate or speed.
the best point of this whole video is the initial comment he made about new bowlers. An average Joe can take a house ball and crank on it 2 handed with 350revs, I've never seen a single open bowler have good ball roll with their thumb in it.
I’m 44.... I’ve countless games over 220..... I’ve been bowling for 41 years... I’m a 1 handed bowler...my high game is only 267.... my kid is 18 and he already bowled a 279 .. he was a 2 handed bowler.. his 279 was 1 handed no thumb tho...
Great video. I put more revs as a 1 hander than my infant 2 hand game (if it can be called game at all). But I’m in that old category, but I am more willing to learn 2 hander. However growing up in the 80’s n 90’s it’s actually harder to learn the 2 hand game for some reason 🤷. Maybe that can be a topic for your next video.
I’m a no thumb ONE handed bowler cause I’m a filthy casual, but I recently bought my first reactive ball after only using plastic house balls. There’s no way I can not use my thumb lol
I'm not sure if I agree with you. I average 218+ 1 hand.... Tried to convert to 2 hands and can't average more than 185. My accuracy is **** and controlling the ball is a big issue. So many revs I cant bowl with any decent reactive in league as I end up too far left by end of the night. My biggest project is ball speed. I just can't get it fast enough to match the huge revs. I'll keep practising but I'm finding it sooooo much harder 2 handed than getting good 1 hand. Maybe I have too much muscle memory to covert
@@Glatzel132 17 years which is probably my issue. Trying to go 2 handed on and off the last couple of years but always gave up as I got cranky that it did not click for me... And I'm not going to be that guy bowling Urethane in league lol
@@220vlogs you do make it look easy have to say ;) imagine if you committed to it hard. I know you said you were stubborn but you would have a higher ceiling putting effort into converting than trying to master the PBA 1 hand release IMO. You obviously have the skills and talent
I agree, I just changed 2 hand for 1 year. I find all the control for 2 hand is far different between 1 hand especially for ball speed and aiming. Just like playing another sport. More practice definitely helps your game
Disclaimer: I am a stubborn, old masochist who has put enough time and effort into bowling to develop a good game 1 handed (500+ RPM since I was in high school over 20 years ago). This is absolutely 100% true, and thank you for saying it. People who start bowling at age 2 and have to use 2 hands then just never change, that’s fine I can understand that (even though I started at age 2 and never did that). But people who start later and consciously choose to be 2 handers just to take a shortcut to good ball roll, that’s what I have a problem with. Whether this is accurate or not, by default I just assume all of those people just can’t be bothered to work hard at getting better and somehow think they deserve to be successful for no reason. Maybe I’m just cynical.
and I'm the weirdo that is a no thumb one handed bowler ......... lol I know its pretty common but I really only see people that throw house bowling balls as no thumb and one handed. my rev rate is 390 to 420 ish. I would love to do 2 handed but from some reason it hurts my shoulders and back, but the no thumb 1 handed bowling works well for me.
1. Question, would you ever bowl two handed in a tournament? 2. Unsure who can answer this but, if bowling two handed was easier and just much more practical regarding in not tearing up your thumb or hurting your wrist. Why didn’t bowling at the beginning of the sport not use two holes and just take away the thumb hole? Was just wondering! I wish I could bowl one handed tbh, but it feels so awkward and out of the ordinary for some reason for me. Thanks for the great content and funny comedy in all of your videos!
I will eventually. For now I’m stuck on one-handed 😂 I think it was just a tradition thing. They always used their thumbs, and whenever a new bowler would bowl without their thumbs. The old timers would tell them that they’re wrong and that they’ll never be good that way. Until Belmonte came along
I don’t think y’all understand 2handed is not easy just because we have a hi rev rate doesn’t mean anything it’s harder to bowl with a hard rev rate because high rev rates don’t do good on most patterns and it’s harder to adjust rev rate compared to one hand
@@220vlogs He just shot his first 300 with two hands. I think he switches when one hand starts to get tough and/or he shoots a low game. ruclips.net/video/kKEybjgBp9o/видео.html
I just started with a new ball 3 weeks ago trying to learn 1 handed for a league with coworkers that average 175 and am convinced to try 2 handed now cause my lack of rev rate and I can't release correctly. 😕
I am doing the total opposite..Learned to bowl with no thumb, one handed, right handed ball, "Im a lefty," new shoes, new balls, new bag etc. I need help.....Oh and I am over 50!! Time is a wasting....Gotta go pro before I die !!!
@@220vlogs I am left handed naturally. Was given a right hand ball when i learned. Didn't use my thumb, had to flip the ball to make fingers fit. Love the game, not gonna quit trying.
two handed bowling is only easier in the beginning stages. Its just as difficult when you reach the collegiate level due to lack of accuracy. Two hands definitely gives easier speed and power, but it lacks in accuracy and consistency. So i agree that its easier, but only in the beginning.
That's what I was thinking. If you put a 2 hander up against any 1 handed bowler with a decent rev rate, they experience the same issues and challenges. My friend went from 2 handed to 1 handed and had just as much revs and speed in about 2 months of practice (probably less). He can hook the lane just as much as I can with my 2 hands. At the highest levels, the discrepancies from the 2 styles start to become more obvious.
Yeah big nope it's just as hard to bowl two handed the only thing that's easier like you said is the hooking of the ball which in turn means you have to figure out how to use all them revs imo just as hard as trying to figure out how to get your thumb out the ball
Facts. I'm a 2hander and not a particularly good one but I'm unashamed to admit I abandoned the grind of 1H for the immediate gratification of playing better with 2H.
yeah me too i bought a used ball and had it drilled for 1 hand and i still struggle lol
I'm on that grind right now I am so bad and have contemplated switching but I'm still determined to learn how to do it
I want to switch to 2H at an advanced age. I've always had thumb problems.
I just love the style and appearance of a good 1 handed bowler, I am determined to learn 1 handed.
We need more people like you in bowling
This is exactly why I'm sticking with 1 hand. Just looks freaking cool and so slick. I absolutely have respect for two-handers and recognize that the sport is definitely headed in that direction. I think it has brought excitement to the game.
I just feel like an 8-year old when I throw it like that lol.
I grew up bowling one-handed and the last 5 years I’ve switched to two-handed and once you get the motion down, I can honestly say it’s significantly easier 😂.
I am bowling for 25 years, i am a certified coach/trainer on ETBF level 2
I started to try 2 handed 3 years ago, in 2019, because like you said, modern play requires a lot more revs, and as a 1 hander my revrate is about 300-350. As a 2 hander my revrate went up to 500-550. I have done this for 2,5 years, and even though my strikes were beautifull to watch, i had so much trouble with consistancy. I was practicing for 16-20 hours a week, but i just couldn't stay consistant. Now on my house shots this was no problem for my strike throws, because i had a lot of room of margin, but since i play tournaments as well, i saw my average drop 10 points (5 = max per year) in 2 year.
I also had a lot of trouble with my spares on right side of the lane with my spareball, what also caused my lower scoring.
On a good night, i hardly was making any spares, and i could shot 250 average. But i also had nights with 130 average over 3 games, because i simply couldn't make my spares, and my strikes were going through the nose a lot, leaving hard to make spares to begin with. It was all or nothing it seemed.
I changed back to 1 handed last season, and i am glad i did, my average went back up (bij 13 pins). I threw 6 tournaments, of which in 5 i made it to the finals. My spares are on point, and i have been keeping track of my spares, and out of 74 games, i have had only 5 spares missed, not counting the splits
As someone who recently switched that has been my biggest problem. My consistency is not as good as it was 1 handed. I can bowl a 220 game 1, 216 game 2, and 118 game 3. I would rarely bowl under 160-170 1 handed. I'm sure with time I will get more consistent since I only been 2 handed for a month now, but 100 pin difference hurts. LOL
@@cbrdealer yeah same here. But after 17 months in, and still having that issue, i felt like, well maybe this is not for me then
@@gusk I hope I figure something out. A young 2hander that works at the pro shop where I bowl league has been helping me a lot so I have faith still. Plus the tendon in my thumb is jacked up so there is no going back to 1 handed for me.
@@cbrdealer Well there is always a way back, but i get what you mean. I really hope it works out great for you, because lets face it, it looks so much cooler than a 1hander, unless you are EJ Tacket
@@gusk LOL. I wish I could throw it like EJ, or Kris Prather. lol
The reason I decided to stick with one hand is because I think it looks cooler and slicker. I'm up to about a 350 rev rate and I'll be happy if I can get into the 400s. When I really whip the ball the right way it feels so freaking cool.
2 handed is easier to hook and 1 handed is easier to aim in my opinion
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I’m a young two hander and when I try to make this point most people disagree. When I see a high average 1 hander I’m more impressed than watching a high average 2 hander
I’m 15 and only been bowling since like the ending of 2019 and I’ve been one handed the entire time, and right now I have a 450-500 rev rate and a 203 average on sport 1 handed, and I kind of want to see more one handers on the field
I was a two handed bowler but I recently switched to one handed because it felt like I was playing on easy mode so I made the switch and it’s really hard to do because I’m basically starting from zero again
Found a masochist
@@220vlogs dang I was caught
@@220vlogs nah I'm the real one it's actually easy
I couldn't agree more. The future of the game is EJ Tacketts and two handers. The game is moving toward power and speed.
The thumb soreness and problems are the main reason why I’m considering going to 2 handed. I want to be able to play more and practice more but I have never ever had a thumb hole that I’ve been comfortable with. They always have some issue that makes it uncomfortable and feel bad after even 2 or 3 games. I feel like just eliminating it altogether will be the best option for not only my comfort but my enjoyment of the game long term.
I’ve only been bowling a year and a half now. When I first picked up a bowling ball I tried different ways but found more consistency with my thumb in and just stuck with it. I find it really satisfying bowling the traditional way but that’s just me. I guess everyone has their preference
"Its almost impossible to have a higher Rev rate with your thumb in the ball"
Exactly. Clearing the thumb takes time that the two handers don't need to waste.
I’m glad that someone finally said it im in a league team w 2 handed and 1 handed bowlers me being one of the 1 handers AND im left handed so im just glad you were confident enough to say something
You forgot to add that one handed bowlers with a 400+ rev rate just make the game look so much sexier than using 2 hands….don’t take the easy way out people. If bowling was meant to use 2 hands it would have started that way, just my opinion.
That’s the main reason I haven’t switched yet 😂 I don’t like how clunky most two handers getting to the foul line. I do respect the forms of Chris Via and Kyle Troup though
Old guy here. Grew up one handed. Came back to the game recently although I have been paying attention to the changes over the years. Struggle with strike percentage. In the pocket plenty but single pin leaves and a 55 percent strike percentage add up to a lot of grind days. Messed around with two handed or thumb out one handed like TD and, on a house shot can spray it around and carry stupid hits. But, on tough shots I do better than on house because it makes more sense to what I grew up on. On my third re-fit in the last year and a half since returning to the game and now have it where I can throw ten games and my thumb has no issues.. that's a first. That plus a Pro Shop guy who knows layouts has helped me up the rev rate.. even for an old guy who still insists on throwing 16 because it does hit harder. I get plenty of ball motion one handed and can barely keep the ball on the lane thumbless because I become rev dominant without the thumb and can't quite get the speed high enough to counteract that and I don't want to drop down to 14 to make that happen. Can't imagine what would happen if I threw 14 and suddenly ran in to old heavy pins like we used to have to knock down. Today's game, being what it is, favors high revs but I am going to stick, stubbornly, to one handed.
I started 11 months ago 1 handed because my dad was teaching me. I didn't even know of two-handed bowling at the time, but then i tried it and realized its so eazy, but like you said, I'm stubborn so I'm not changing.
I’ve been bowing 2 handed for a while now and the reason it’s easier is because you don’t have to force your hand to stay under the ball as much as you would 1 hand. Also if you don’t much strength, that extra hand is a great help.
I always tell anyone (older than 13 anyways) to start one handed and figure out the mechanics and then determine if two handed will work better. You definitely figure out the fundamentals better when going one handed vs two. I started one handed but switched in the spring for 2 reasons: I was tired of fighting the thumb hole and throwing two handed believe it or not was easier on my back (low back issues). I do find it harder to be accurate two handed vs one, my spare game suffered greatly when I first switched. It’s near impossible to get the ball rolling forward, even spare balls will hook if you don’t flatten your hand properly.
I do have 2 kids (4&6) and I got them both throwing two handed. It’s very easy for them to do seeing that even the 6# ball is 1/5 their body weight lol!
2 handed is not 'easier' than 1 handed. EASY is a subjective term. Objectively, 2 handed produces faster results for the new and unskilled bowler, but over time, 2 handed is just as hard as 1 handed. As others pointed out the spare game is more difficult for 2H because of the challenge of flattening the hand out to roll the ball straight without hook. 1H has the thumb and fit issues as well as the challenge of playing deeper in the lane with less revs. So each style has its pros and cons. I wonder though....over time, will the 2H'ers be able to last as long on the lanes as the 1H'er? The twisting of the core and spine is bound to take it's toll on the body faster with the 2H'ers. Who knows, only time will tell.
I tend to agree with you and I'm old. I went for lessons for a year or so when I retired. I learned quite a bit and started using my engineering skills to improve my game. I didn't know much about reactive resin converstocks and knew nothing about cores. The main thing I learned from the lessons was to understand that I was working way too hard to bowl. I was throwing the ball way too fast and I was trying too hard to make the ball hook. I recognized that ball fit was something I learned about on my own, too. Fit can help a one hander quite a bit to relax their hand and get the ball into a roll. A pendulum type swing can allow gravity to do most of the work to get a more or less consistent ball speed. Getting to know your arsenal helps tons and learning about ball maintenance plays a pretty role as well. These days I usually can switch from one ball to another and have pretty good confidence where I should stand and target to get better ball action as the session moves on. When I was much younger with my Black Beauty ball, I didn't think like I do now while I bowled. I just got up there and chucked it down the lane and some decent scores a lot of the time. Having fun bowling in a senior league now... :) :)
Each have pros and cons, one handers can keep there head down pointed down lane in a more stable position and can get easy speed due to the high pack swing pendulum, but have to work at generating revs. Two handers can immediately get the revs, but that isn’t everything. Your using way more spine tilt which creates another variable, less head stability (unless you work at it like anything), and you can’t have as high of a backswing or else your head will be pointed at the floor. I could go on but you get the point. If you really think two handed it better or more optimal or give you a competitive price edge, you would have already made the switch and so would most of the pros making a living on the sport.
People who have trouble getting the thumb out.. drill the thumb hole like you do the finger tip. Just to the first knuckle. That's how I drilled my last to balls it was like have no thumb but with control. My revs increased alot compared to my thumb being all the way in. The bigger span between fingers hole and thumb hole took about a game and half to get use to. But it's worth it.
I agree with your statement that 2 handed is easier to start with. I do think it is harder to get better with 1 hand aswell as we are not in a powerful position when we start. I personally have a Rev rate of 480ish with 1 hand and I've tried to make the switch but body just doesn't move that way. So if I could make my body move that way I would be bowling two hands aswell.
I guess I should also add that I was a collegiate bowler. I averaged 231 last year and have been 225 + since I've been out of college. I bowl alot of sport tournaments as well and starting from scratch would be difficult for me.
Preach! I know if I was still young, I would definitely go 2-handed. Heck, now in my 60s I may still give it a try lol.
Not having to worry about revs/fit is a huge advantage when you're starting. It also saves people like me who have shoulder issues. I will say that there is no replacing how smooth a 1-hander can look.
I love the look of a nice one handed form too
My close group of friends all have their balls drilled with no thumb hole, but bowl and release with one hand, like a weird middle ground
I definitely agree with your first point. No beginner is going to have crazy revs and ball motion starting out. Im new to bowling and it took me about a full year to learn to hook the ball one handed. Somedays I would get pissed it wasn't hooking and threw a few two handed and the ball hooked a made a nice motion down lane. To get the same revs as a one hander you needs years of practice. And, as you say, your hand is naturally more under the ball and for longer.
I'll never switch unless I have no other option. Been doing it one handed way too long and in pretty damn good at it. Also, I love taking the two handers to school on the lanes. Especially the ones who think they're pro level material on a house pattern.
yea u arent a bias hater at all lol.
It's like one handed backhand in tennis and chopper in ping pong. Getting less and less but never disappear
I'm a 2 hander, self taught, been bowling weekly for almost a year now. My average is 205 2 handed. I've been dabbling into one handed recently, and my first full game one handed, I had the front 5 and shot my average
From the standpoint of the modern game. If i was going to coach someone and teach them how to bowl I would teach them 2 handed. You still need to have proper release. In my area I bowl like Daugherty (1 handed no thumb) the 2 handers here are "spin biscuits". Due to a thumb injury I have changed from bowling with a thumb to not using a thumb. I developed a game that was decent 1 handed (with a thumb). I have developed a "pro release" when it comes to the release.
The most different and difficult part is the thumb itself and keeping your fit perfect. The feeling of the thumb is a must for being consistent. The fact that this just disappears when playing 2 handed is ridiculous.
Walter ray is a great example. He switched to 2 handed and bowled a 300 like a month or so later 😂 granted, his form doesn’t look the best, but when’s the last time you heard someone go to one handed and bowl a 300? Once you get the motion of 2 handed, it’s easier.
I would say it's more difficult to get ball speed up on 2-handed which can make bowling on dry lanes more difficult. However as I have developed my 2handed game, to compensate for my low speed (13-14mph if my local alley is to be believed), I have experimented with different hand positions to adjust the way the ball spins to either go straighter or hook more if needed down lane. Something I could never figure out bowling 1 handed.
I bowled fingertip 20 years ago, stopped, picked up bowling again cuz of my two handed friend. Tried his ball several games two handed. Super revs, higher speed, more explosive strikes. Bought my own ball, went back to fingertip, slower speed, low revs, leaving weird spares. Two handed is easier to pick up and start striking.
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When I am marathon bowling (20+ games back to back) I will switch to 2 handed to keep going.
I genuinely believe that having done both for some time, there are strengths and weaknesses to both. I think with a player like your experience, it would be significantly easier for you because you have your fundamentals down pat. I don’t. So when I throw one handed, I get wayyy more accurate and consistent but less hooking. I play two handed, I can hook the lane better, but my revs are still around 300 and I’m inconsistent as hell.
Maybe it truly is easier to play with two hands, but for a beginner like me, it makes no difference. At the end of the day I still can’t pass 150 either way I go.
Don't forget about Anthony simson 2end best two hander is rpm is over 500+ and the best one hander is norm duke he can play stright with any ball and get carry and pin action
I signed up for a fall/winter league after getting back into bowling this year. I honestly should have worked to try to learn 2 handed this summer instead of bowling in my summer league I was in. I don't have the time to work on the proper 1 handed release to generate enough power and revs to get my scores competitive. Feel like it'll be a chore to try to bowl 1 handed in league each week, and try to practice/learn 2 handed on any day I can get in that isn't league night.
another 220avg classic
Agree with everything you said here. Had surgery on my wrist a couple years back and things never got 100% back, so finally switched to two handed this year for league. It's 100% easier.
I bowled one handed thumb out 30 years ago. My brother crooked his elbow and could crank it with anybody.
If you watch all the pro 1 handers vs 2 handers, all the 1 handers are all taped up, thumb wrist fingers, two handers, nothing most of the time. It’s less stress on your hand meaning you can bowl longer and be more consistent. IMO
Definitely agree with you. Im stubborn and a huge masochist!😂
It definitely seems that I’m one of the few people who actually has a lower rev rate two handed.
I bowl one handed with no thumb in. My stepdad first showed me how to do it and I really like it. I average about 140-150 and I’ve only bowled a couple of months
Sucks to say but you're probably gonna stay like that... it's far too inconsistent. Either bowl two-handed or bowl one-handed thumb in! You'll definitely improve.
Lol thanks for calling me old!
These conversations always seem to focus on ball motion alone as the key metric for two handed making the game easy.
It is absolutely easier to create ball motion two handed, so much so that it requires a great deal of skill to create less when needed.
Ball motion isn’t the only deciding factor in making the game easy or hard; if it was Norm Duke or Francois Lavoie would never be able to beat Svensson, Belmonte, Simonsen, Palermaa, but they have and it’s because bowling is hard and they (everyone I just listed) are amazing at this game.
Proper roll and release one handed is very hard. Proper roll and ball motion two handed is also hard; most who do it, don’t do the way the pros do.
While true that anyone can use two hands and create great ball motion, I’d challenge anyone who thinks it’s easy mode to try it for a league season. Try it for a 4 - 8 game block in a tournament. It’s extremely hard to be consistent and it’s hard on your body to do it well. Sure you’ll get strikes but you’re not stringing them unless you’re a good bowler.
The main takeaway here is that anyone who is able to be consistent and use their approach to the game to achieve 220+ averages have accomplished something amazing.
I'm a 2 hander. Sometimes I feel envious of 1 hander cuz for me, I think 2 handed can make the ball curve easily, but it's hard to control the ball, and make the 10 pin spare 🥹 Sometimes when I met some very difficult patterns or very dry patterns, it will make me feel very upset because I will over hook every times 😣 I think it's because my skill is not good enough😅 Oh! And I think 1 hander is very cool!
Idk about you but I started 2 handed and I am starting to learn 1 handed and I took the house ball and hooked it 4 boards into the pocket
I agree with you that two-handed can be easier starting out hooking the ball more, but I think to become consistent two handed is much more difficult. I started out as one handed bowler and was much more consistent to begin with, once I switched to two handed, it has taken me countless hours of practice and working on my release and form to get to the level of consistency I had with one-handed, so I don’t necessarily agree that it is easier overall
That’s why he said in the beginning it’s easier
"One handed there is so much more to learn, when you start bowling you will have no rev rate at all. It takes years to get a good release, nice and smooth". -220 Ave
I couldn't agree more. I could not even hook the ball for over a year, when I bowl two handed it hooks like crazy. You have less to refine perhaps then one handed. You already have high revs so that aspect of the release is one less thing. You can then focus on everything else needed to bowl good. And for one handed bowlers the thumb is a big obstacle to overcome, and its completely irrelevant when 2-handed.
I’m naturally a 1 handed, no thumb, curve baller, I score 200 + , easily, & I’ve only been bowling seriously for a few weeks, I’m still a rookie, & I see how two handers get the ball down the lane much easier, & fancy how they can curve the ball both ways but most of them lack on accuracy, like tough spares, overall, I’ve never seen many great two handers, (not including the pros, of course) , but definitely many many, great one handers.
im sure u dont avg 200+ easily after bowling only a few weeks...LMAO..just the lingo u are using "curve baller" says a lot about your experience and what u probably really bowl on avg (about 165). The fact u bowl one handed no thumbs screams casual bowler.
@@ericpadilla2454 some people have to work to get it, & some people just naturally have it, lol, if I could post my scores I would, but more like 215, 203, 222, the highest I’ve went is 250, what do I have to lie for? Jealous? because you’ve been bowling for years & a newbie is already better then you? So what I don’t know the “lingo” I’m naturally good dude, fast learner, Lol I know it hurts, just take the L, stop bowling ,if your not getting better.
@@ericpadilla2454 but I must mention. These are house shot scores, doesn’t take much to strike, (for good players😜) i haven’t played a sport pattern, yet, I know it’s much different, much harder. I’m more then the casual bowler though, I have all my equipment, 3 bowling balls, just a start. I’ll get there eventually. As I learn more of the actual knowledge of bowling for the nerds (like you) ,I’ll move up the ranks, good luck!
@@deejayft8218 lmao. Yea i doubt anything u said is true. And u sure as hell arent better than me mr house shot. I have bowled in a casual league with a house shot pattern with an avg of 220. Avain, i doubt u bowl on avg at 200+. Im sure u had a good night but i doubt u bowled an entire season and avg that much with only a few weeks of playing. And why would lie for? Well, just like everyone else who would lie online, for likes and attention. Good luck on your journey though, just know lying about who u are dont make u a better player
@@ericpadilla2454 I can say everything your saying isn’t true also, but will I? No, because, I believe it’s possible, some people are just naturally gifted, sure I still have rough nights but overall, 200’s don’t excite me anymore, I’m used to it, have a great journey too pal, if I ever make a RUclips channel for bowling, I’ll be sure to make sure Eric Padilla knows about it ! 😁
I just had to switch to 2 handed because of issues with the tendon in my thumb. 2 handed bowling is by far easier. The hardest thing with 1 handed bowling is clearing your thumb and you don't have to worry about that. You don't have to worry about grabbing and a lot of other things. I love not having thumb issues/pain.
I started as a 1 hander without my thumb then i injured my wrist and made the switch to 2 handed to take some pressure off my wrist now i dont want to go back to 1 handed
I just started about 2 months ago and i literally tried 2 handed no thumb and i get mid to high 100s. If i bowl 1 handed i bowl straight like super straight and can't hook my ball at all. I have a rhino drilled fingertips and the only way i hook it 1 handed is if im just standing there and drop the ball lol. I know you're not supposed to squeeze but if i don't squeeze my ball is falling out of my hand on my backswing (happened 2x lol...)
Well that tells you right there that you need to get your thumb hole fixed.. it should be snug enough where it doesn’t slip out on back swings
One thing I will say about two handed (I try to be somewhat of a hybrid) but only bowl one handed in leagues - is that two handed at least for me feels a little more physically demanding. I try to get my ball speed up and after a game I’m winded. I guess it could be my form being improper or something of that nature, but after a session of two handed bowling my quads and glutes are angry, lol. But I do agree with all of the points you made. I started a little over a year ago and when I threw the ball two handed with a low flaring ball like the twist, I had so much room for error even throwing the ball like shit..I was still probably at 375-400 RPM and the ball would almost always come back. It does require time and effort to perfect as with anything else, but you’re likely to achieve your goals so much faster bowling two handed. My body unfortunately, just isn’t conditioned for it I guess.
at least he didnt say 2 handed should be illegal
Maybe your next tournament you should bowl two handed and see what happens.
I agree starting out you’re going to be a better bowler 2 handed over 1 but I think you hit a wall being a 2 handed where you have everything else but accuracy where as that’s where 1 handers shine
For beginners and “house shot heroes” the answer to easier is yes. For people who are bowling on challenge and sport patterns on the regular, I would strongly disagree. A guy I bowled with just spent 5 years trying to bowl two handed but after spending a few years on sport leagues and not being able to compete has now gone back to one handed and is throwing with far better consistency. All those revs and all that pin carry is only good when you can hit the pocket. Although there can sometimes be a bigger pocket for two handers, there can also be a lot more trouble with the small miss.
Agree 10000%
Uh Sean Diaper Rash says "Put your thumb in it" all the time!
And I don’t switch to two handed just cause for some reason I struggle w it it could be bc I’m left handed or I’m just too normalized w 1H bowling
Let’s see a one handed no thumb video!
Oskus probably my favorite
I've always compared this to using the Force. Two-handed/no thumb = Dark Side. It's quicker, easier, more seductive. Per Yoda, it's not more powerful (but c'mon, we all know it's more powerful). Traditional/thumb = Light Side of the Force.
I think one handed is easier to become better and consistent quicker since you can play very old school fundamental based throwing up 10 all day since all you really have to worry about is getting your thumb out and hitting that simple mark. 2 hands is much easier for sure to have more power and revs but some people starting out 2 handed struggle with that
What about the two handers that use their thumbs?
I would love to switch… my 2 handed friends have a much easier time when the conditions are bad or unpredictable. I physically can’t 2 hand the ball. My brain is stuck and doesn’t understand the 2 handed timing. I didn’t make our local college team and I think not being able to adjust as a one handed to hook the entire lane was a factor 😔
And ur talking about about ej Tackett having a 500+rpm what about Jakob Butturff who a lefty unOrthodox style who had 500+ rpm too
I practice one handed and two handed and agree with most of it except the rev rate thing for beginners it’s true but my rev rate one handed is still over 450
Oh and I have shot 300 one handed and two handed I will agree easier for beginners but there is a time and place for a lower rev rate that’s why we still see franky winning majors
What about a 2Hander with a Thumb?
Literally just watched a child bowl a 300, but 2-handed.
I started 5 months ago and am averaging around 180(started 2 handed) if I would’ve started as a 1 hander my ass would be averaging probably around a 120-130🤣 it’s so much easier 2 handed no doubt
I wouldn't say it is easier to bowl. I would say it is easier to hook the ball and get a higher rev rate. It is hard either way. You have to perfect it to be good. The hard part of bowling two-handed is the athleticism to bowl two-handed, and creating enough speed to get the ball down the lane. Consistency is hard either way. Takes skill and practice to be good.
0:54 easier said than done, lmao, I've tried 2 handed with no thumb, and it just overhooks every time
I just started bowling an posted a short of me trying both form on my channel. Any suggestions?
Hey 220AVG what would you recommend for a good ball to switch over to two handed with? I currently main a storm nova and I am meh... Lot to work on :)
Impossible to give proper advice like this over the internet. I’d need to know how you bowl, ball speed, rev rate, what the lanes are like where you bowl, etc.
But generally, if you’re bowling on house shots, lower end stuff is good
@@220vlogs Thanks for the info and your time.
if u bowl on house pattern, the safe bet would be a phaze 2 or a mid tier ball like DV8 Collision. You dont want heavy hitters. Those two balls are very beginner friendly and have good margin of error regardless of rev rate or speed.
the best point of this whole video is the initial comment he made about new bowlers. An average Joe can take a house ball and crank on it 2 handed with 350revs, I've never seen a single open bowler have good ball roll with their thumb in it.
I’m 44.... I’ve countless games over 220..... I’ve been bowling for 41 years... I’m a 1 handed bowler...my high game is only 267.... my kid is 18 and he already bowled a 279 .. he was a 2 handed bowler.. his 279 was 1 handed no thumb tho...
Great video. I put more revs as a 1 hander than my infant 2 hand game (if it can be called game at all). But I’m in that old category, but I am more willing to learn 2 hander. However growing up in the 80’s n 90’s it’s actually harder to learn the 2 hand game for some reason 🤷. Maybe that can be a topic for your next video.
I’m a no thumb ONE handed bowler cause I’m a filthy casual, but I recently bought my first reactive ball after only using plastic house balls. There’s no way I can not use my thumb lol
U can keep the ball straight with 2 handed in bowl plus hit pins better
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When I started bowling I used my thumb in the ball
I'm not sure if I agree with you. I average 218+ 1 hand.... Tried to convert to 2 hands and can't average more than 185. My accuracy is **** and controlling the ball is a big issue. So many revs I cant bowl with any decent reactive in league as I end up too far left by end of the night. My biggest project is ball speed. I just can't get it fast enough to match the huge revs. I'll keep practising but I'm finding it sooooo much harder 2 handed than getting good 1 hand. Maybe I have too much muscle memory to covert
How long do you play one handed for? just out of curiosity.
That was a point I made. If you’ve been bowling one handed for a while and you already have a decent form it might not be easier for you
@@Glatzel132 17 years which is probably my issue. Trying to go 2 handed on and off the last couple of years but always gave up as I got cranky that it did not click for me... And I'm not going to be that guy bowling Urethane in league lol
@@220vlogs you do make it look easy have to say ;) imagine if you committed to it hard. I know you said you were stubborn but you would have a higher ceiling putting effort into converting than trying to master the PBA 1 hand release IMO. You obviously have the skills and talent
I agree, I just changed 2 hand for 1 year. I find all the control for 2 hand is far different between 1 hand especially for ball speed and aiming. Just like playing another sport. More practice definitely helps your game
Disclaimer: I am a stubborn, old masochist who has put enough time and effort into bowling to develop a good game 1 handed (500+ RPM since I was in high school over 20 years ago).
This is absolutely 100% true, and thank you for saying it. People who start bowling at age 2 and have to use 2 hands then just never change, that’s fine I can understand that (even though I started at age 2 and never did that). But people who start later and consciously choose to be 2 handers just to take a shortcut to good ball roll, that’s what I have a problem with. Whether this is accurate or not, by default I just assume all of those people just can’t be bothered to work hard at getting better and somehow think they deserve to be successful for no reason. Maybe I’m just cynical.
i mean for me 2 handed bowling just feels more fun 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ i dont know why . 1 handed looks so cool tho, swag points for 1 handers
and I'm the weirdo that is a no thumb one handed bowler ......... lol I know its pretty common but I really only see people that throw house bowling balls as no thumb and one handed. my rev rate is 390 to 420 ish. I would love to do 2 handed but from some reason it hurts my shoulders and back, but the no thumb 1 handed bowling works well for me.
1. Question, would you ever bowl two handed in a tournament?
2. Unsure who can answer this but, if bowling two handed was easier and just much more practical regarding in not tearing up your thumb or hurting your wrist. Why didn’t bowling at the beginning of the sport not use two holes and just take away the thumb hole?
Was just wondering! I wish I could bowl one handed tbh, but it feels so awkward and out of the ordinary for some reason for me. Thanks for the great content and funny comedy in all of your videos!
I will eventually. For now I’m stuck on one-handed 😂
I think it was just a tradition thing. They always used their thumbs, and whenever a new bowler would bowl without their thumbs. The old timers would tell them that they’re wrong and that they’ll never be good that way. Until Belmonte came along
I don’t think y’all understand 2handed is not easy just because we have a hi rev rate doesn’t mean anything it’s harder to bowl with a hard rev rate because high rev rates don’t do good on most patterns and it’s harder to adjust rev rate compared to one hand
2 handed might be easier to get more revs and more strikes, but its not just easier period. Or I might just be stubborn.
Walter Ray Williams Jr is crushing the PBA50 tour with two hands. So if he can do it, then you can too.
Is he two-handed full time now?
@@220vlogs He just shot his first 300 with two hands. I think he switches when one hand starts to get tough and/or he shoots a low game.
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I just started with a new ball 3 weeks ago trying to learn 1 handed for a league with coworkers that average 175 and am convinced to try 2 handed now cause my lack of rev rate and I can't release correctly. 😕
You should! You'll probably benefit from it(2 handed) and you'll definitely enjoy bowling so much more
I am doing the total opposite..Learned to bowl with no thumb, one handed, right handed ball, "Im a lefty," new shoes, new balls, new bag etc. I need help.....Oh and I am over 50!! Time is a wasting....Gotta go pro before I die !!!
You’re lefty and bowl righty?? THE LEFT SIDES EASIER
@@220vlogs I am left handed naturally. Was given a right hand ball when i learned. Didn't use my thumb, had to flip the ball to make fingers fit. Love the game, not gonna quit trying.
two handed bowling is only easier in the beginning stages. Its just as difficult when you reach the collegiate level due to lack of accuracy. Two hands definitely gives easier speed and power, but it lacks in accuracy and consistency. So i agree that its easier, but only in the beginning.
That's what I was thinking. If you put a 2 hander up against any 1 handed bowler with a decent rev rate, they experience the same issues and challenges. My friend went from 2 handed to 1 handed and had just as much revs and speed in about 2 months of practice (probably less). He can hook the lane just as much as I can with my 2 hands. At the highest levels, the discrepancies from the 2 styles start to become more obvious.
You can bowl one handed without the thumb. I find it to the perfect balance
I guess I'm an oddity cause I am one of those one handers who has the Rev rate of above 500..so there is no reason to go to 2 handing in my cause
Yeah big nope it's just as hard to bowl two handed the only thing that's easier like you said is the hooking of the ball which in turn means you have to figure out how to use all them revs imo just as hard as trying to figure out how to get your thumb out the ball