JJ and Simon spoke about the ending of that one video a few years back. JJ tells the story that he really wanted him to actually say the word, but Simon really didn't want to and told JJ that if he actually said it, it would come to bite him big time in the future, which it would have. I think Simon said he actually said "Namibia" which is an African country.
I think it's perfectly believable that Simon didn't say the word, but his lips don't touch. I don't know why he doesn't tell people he said 'near' instead of Namibia
that’s still rich. They lived in a large house just outside London and paid tens of thousands of pounds a year to send their kids to private school. That’s rich. At a baseline, being able to afford private school is rich, no matter if you need to work longer hours to be able to afford that in the first place.
If you want to be very charitable his parents were middle class. But they weren't working class or poor. Being able to afford private schooling is a huge privilege: there's not SFE for secondary
Ig the point is more that he wasn't necessarily spoilt. He was a kid of immigrants who just wanted the best for their kid. I also think it shows in how he leans into stereotypes which was for sure encouraged when I was at a mostly white school, so I can't imagine at private. Doesn't justify how he was, but its context
I wish you showed all the stories about JJ. The amount of people he's helped and how much he's done for charity. His friends have so many stories and KSI tried to keep it lowkey.
@ crypto rug pulls Edit: you asked when. Sorry. Started to in 2022. Came back in feb of this year. “I lOsT mOnEy” is irrelevant. Edit of the edit: Vikk even called it out in a podcast. So it’s really hard to argue against it.
@Yerocco he hasn't gained anything from crypto, though. You know how dumb KSI is 😂 he wouldn't pump and dump for easy coin. He did 2 bad tweets. It's not the same as creating a coin and dumping like Faze or Logan Paul. Why focus on such negative shit too... Coffee has 3 vids to talk about that shit. If it were something malicious or even illegal, he'd be in court right now. It really comes down to your perception of KSI and if you think he's capable of that which I really don't, but each to their own
That's not true actually When he gone in that 6 months break he signed a contract where he got paid but any money generated from youtube will go to that company in the next 5 years so when made videos it was demonetized But now the contract ended last year where he can make money again from youtube which he said it himself
This was such a nothing dive. I think Caanths is brilliant but he absolutely sold with this one. There’s so much to cover on KSI yet this video felt so empty.
Someone said it in the chat perfectly. They said something like it was British lad culture at the time. It really was not a big deal or offensive to anyone at the time and it was getting views that’s why he was doing it. I’m not defending some of the stuff he said but the reasons are very clear as to why he did it. His brain just hadn’t got out of that dark cringy lad humour for a while. Also most of the chat is way too sensitive. They were annoyed at stuff that genuinely wasn’t even that deep
@theohowe3106 He probably just sees that he is associated with Logan Paul (which I do agree is shitty) and some of his big persona things and assumes he must be that.
Speaking as a long time KSI fan, I don’t think you did hun justice in this dive. Not looking at any of the amazing prime documentary. Not looking at or focusing on his relationship with the sidemen. If you only look at JJ’s massive moments in a dive they’re gonna look bad, but to say you can’t “come to a conclusion” about him after not looking at any of his non controversial moments is disgusting. As well as 2 white men sitting and looking at a black man making stereotypical jokes and saying that he’s wrong for it is gross. JJ is the reason a lot of black context creators started out. Chunks, Jidion, Speed, Kai and so many more have openly said KSI was the reason they wanted to make content, because if he as a black man could do it so could they. As a fan of your other deep dives I’m very disappointed in this. I think the moments were chosen specifically because right now, KSI is an openly disliked figure. Just disappointed and it’s bad journalism.
@@brutus_the_guy8257 i think ur too blinded by being a fan of ksi to realise that actually a lot of shit he did was bad, and actually he was a shitty guy for a while
@@casss8605 the only real 'shitty' thing he did was his eurogamer/public video stuff, where he made a lot of weird comments to strangers. his 'r*pe face' looks bad now, but that word was just a connotation for 'destroy' back then (look at syndicate). his stereotype jokes were at his own expense and weren't seen as outrageous back then. as a general rule when it comes to youtube: if something wasn't condemned or seen as cancellable back then, it shouldn't be now.
Yea I don’t like they spent a lot of the video talking bout the downside of JJ instead of the iconic fifa videos, random games he played with Deji, and early GTA videos
@@casss8605Kinda missing the point, more than half the video is literally 💩Ing on KSI when he was a teen and skipped and overlooked a lot of key details about ksi’s life
Being a Stanz Vodfrog, ngl the moral grandstanding in the chat kinda makes it super annoying Not commenting on the morality of any act. But it feels like a lot of people in the chat are snooty brats who just needed an excuse to shit on someone. Just feels like the energy is way off and even if theyre criticizing actions justifiably, the intent feels questionable
Thats just chat for you. I hate when streamers upload videos with chat in the corner because they are constantly spewing their garbage takes in my peripheral vision
@@gibbings5534 tbh yeah, you have to realise what kind of personality/character leads to someone typing away endless messages in a scrolling livestream chat in hopes of being noticed lmao
They're potentially fairly largely an American and/or audience whose biggest exposures to him are his association and businesses with Logan Paul, and The Thick Of It memes. You're almost predisposed to see everything in a negative light if you have that as your starting point
KSI did an interview with ITV where they asked him about the good times and then also asked him about the bad times so you get to see the (relatively) recent KSI respond to his older mistakes. Same interviewer as the guy who made RDJ leave the interview
It's so easy to look back at some of this and judge hard but at the time it was just different and viewed different by everybody. I also don't feel like the growth of KSI has been potrayed too well here
@ActuallyAnanya it took them quite a lot to do that and also sponsored him where he was already doing things that today would be considered cancelable and controversial
@@ActuallyAnanya I'd beg to differ there, I'd say it was viewed differently by the entirety of youtubes userbase back then. Even if brands didn't see it that way, I feel like the views of the entire userbase of youtube back then was far more different to corporate views of stuff compared to now. Nowadays people are a lot more woke and see a lot more offense in things in online spaces, whereas that was not really a common thing at the time. This is why KSI made the content he did for so long, even though brands would struggle to work with him because of how he acted, he was validated by basically the entirety of the internet, hence why things like the rape face faced basically no backlash at all at the time
tbf to fifa coins sites, for most of them it's a straight forward transaction, you pay the money, they give you the coins. The CSGO Lotto thing was a scandal because it was a slot machine that the youtuber can alter the odds however they want. Comparing two of these is quite ignorance on the subject. UK RUclipsrs "got away" with it because it's much a much tamer situation, at worse they are telling kids to break tos that are barely enforced.
The whole private school thing is not what it seems. He didn’t come from some upper class family who had high paying jobs and easily could afford it. His parents worked their ass of to get him into private school and that’s why they were so strict. If they were just rich and money was nothing to them, they wouldn’t care so much
I think i'm starting to dislike Caanths. He is pretty terrible at giving context in most of these deep dives. You can tell that he has this view of british Private School kids as if every single one is extremely rich, he even mentions JJs parents probably expected him to get into Oxford or Cambridge, which is why they were giving him etiquette training. This is not true at all. Alot of people, probably like JJs family are more just middle to upper middle class (you can even be working class and go to private school depending on the school). It isn't just you go to private school therefore you are expected to go to these top tier universities and become part of the upper echelon of society. Hence why JJ and Deji were taking Etiquette classes, cos their parents come from a middle class background and don't know much about proper Etiquette and are trying to get their children as far as they possibly can go in life. This is pretty common for hardworking first and second generation immigrant families. Not born into money, but through discipline and hardwork try and gain every advantage they can see to better their families future.
@@askechadd2473he gets to personal and for some reason the deep dive is always skewed in a negative exposing way, but people don't like KSI anyway because of...mold chesse and his relation to a crypto scammers and etc why give him good faith critique or coverage if he sucks
@@askechadd2473 This is dangerously close to being a "because he's white" take but this is the classic immigrant story, you should be able to infer that if you're as big of a JJ fan as Caanths says he is. Quite literally every immigrant story you hear from your peers in the US revolves around millions of extracurriculars, or private school and prep school, in order to give your kids what you didn't have. Then again, that leads to awful relationships with your parents (and oftentimes physical abuse), like JJ also experienced.
@@askechadd2473 While I 100% agree that alot of private school kids can be Working and middle class , i dont understand your reason to hate. I dont see your logic at all, non that hate is every justified as Is. As a person who fits under that I dont feel like there was any bias anyway. Feel like you just read it wrong and got angry over nothing
@@MinecraftImplosion Caanths seems to be pretty bad at giving context. This is just one of those situations. Stanzs is now led to believe that JJ is some upper class richboy that fakes as if he was really poor. Hence why Stanz thought it was weird that JJ was wearing particular clothes or a chain despite being an upper class person. When realistically, he didn't fake being poor, he isn't upper class and in terms of JJs upbringing and cultural expression growing up, everything falls pretty in line with being in a middle class first, second or third generation immigrant family. That was all erased because Caanths has some weird bias about private school kids and therefore hearing that JJ went to private school it must mean he is literally the poshest of posh destined for Oxford or Cambridge. It's ignorant, lacking all nuance and just another example of Caanths being bad at giving context. Caanths doesn't seem like he is very in tune with UK culture at all. There are other things about him that are really annoying to me but those are outside the scope of this private school thing. I'll just say that he doesn't feel culturally British at all and it feels like he'd fit in better with californians. Which makes him a really bad presenter of UK internet culture.
This video is KSI and not JJ, you didn’t do JJ justice, do more research on JJ and less on KSI, there’s so much more to JJ than what’s revealed here, which is disappointing. Maybe I’m spoiled by sidemen plus because I get to see JJ before the cameras roll and KSI as soon as the camera is on, that’s when you can tell the difference 🤷🏾♀️
why are they so uncomfortable when ksi made those black jokes, bro ur allowed to laugh or not laugh u dont have to feel uncomfortable or bad when hearing those jokes.
idk about caanths but for stanz its obvious that he just doesnt like it. the jokes weren’t good and propped up racist behavior. even though ksi was young and stupid, it doesn’t change the impact. im a fan of ksi and i have seen the discord videos and it shows the fanbase he and the sidemen have cultivated and influenced.
@@atoagej back then it was definitely funny. ksi blew up largely because of that sort of 'no fucks given, no limits' humour. it hasn't aged well but if it wasn't funny back then he wouldn't be here
holy crap why do you guys act offended about everything to do with him mentioning black people 🤣 the video started off well but it was annoying being offended by the softest of jokes. so weird
It's the worst part about these deep dives. They watch classic youtubers and spend most of the time cringing. I think it was in one of the Joe Weller vids where Caanths gives a trigger warning that the video includes Weller saying 'The R-word'. I swear to god i didn't even know there was an R word. I don't even like using this word but these guys are the actual sterotypical californian soys getting unironically uncomfortable at the mildest of edgy jokes.
how about show all the good things he has done and how much he has helped people and how actually nice jj is instead of trying to make him look bad based on jokes he made 10 years ago when he was still young lol thats crazy.
one story i remember is back when he used to play overwatch, there was someone he used to play with (he didn't know him irl) and jj asked him one day why he hadn't been online. the guy basically said that he was struggling with paying rent and other stuff. jj sorts out everything for him, no questions asked. no publicity, no seeking attention or validation, nothing. just did it out of the good of his heart. we only know this even happened because that guy happened to be a friend of podcaster jaackmate, who brought it up when he had ksi on his 'happy hour' show
I think the stance on the misogyny and terrible stance of JJ's actions during the 'being awkward' stage is a completely different era. He did nothing wrong in the eyes of the people back then, but people's perceptions on that time have changed massively. Not to say that was right at the time. But I don't think its right to dig dirt of the perception of the masses at the time and make it wrong now.
Nah I am not someone is for cancel culture but it was weird at the time too, it is just his fanbase was mainly teenagers at the time so being edgy was given a pass
Ikr, what is now deemed as edgy and dark humor, was a prevalent thing back then. It's weird seeing people judging those kinds of things with modern standards and omitting many context clues of the time. It's not like he boasting around about it nowadays, he has distanced himself from that era and refuse to do that sort of stuff again If that's how people want to perceive stuff like this and to some degree acting like some sort of moral police, I wonder all the kinds of thing these people have done up to this day, that are going to be judged as malicious and negative action by people in the future
Enjoying the deep dives but we really need a Harry W2S one. Bro would be creased. The uncancellable autist is an inspiration tbh. That or Danny Aaron's and Tennesee lol
@OneHuntiBoi the hilarity of it would be quite good honestly. The guy leveled up massively in 2 years. And just so we're clear, all of this stuff is content that doesn't NEED to exist, we just enjoy watching deep dives into drama and trash
KSI his early vids was COD (how he knew Zerkaa) & FIFA gameplay with commentary not just FIFA - Road to D1 was the pop off one also not including the final episode of R2D1 is insane canths you've let me down big time
i don't think he met zerkaa through cod, he met him through fifa when they used to play pro clubs together (how they met ethan too) he knew of zerkaa through cod though
this video is a perfect example of why you actually need to do some research. no mention of beast, no real mention of the sidemen, very little mention of his fifa content, no mention of randolph... this video reads like your mate in the pub after a few pints telling you what he thinks of a random celebrity that you don't know, and just going along with whatever they say
I think you need to do a deep dive to JJ’s music because it’s really interesting seeing him go from Heskey time, Lamborghini to serious music with Randy to then his serious solo albums Dissimulation and All over the place and how much he has improved and got to the place where he gets number 1 album and charts as high as number 2 on the UK charts
Christ guys its not that deep to have to be offended by everything it was funny to his audience at the time, some of it is still nostalgia funny, the grandstanding of 'this is so awkward' bla bla bla really kills this video
Key phrase here is “at the time”. It was acceptable edgy internet humor back then. If you’re a grown adult now with a developed brain, it’s clear to see why those old videos are awkward
I discovered you because of the Steven Tries deep dive and ngl I’ve now binged most of them. As a Brit I love showing my American friends British creators and watching half of it go over their heads just like you😂❤️
So my cousin was one of the editors of Eurogamer during that whole debacle in 2012 and I was actually at the conference, I had staff access as an invitee. The whole thing unfolding was like watching a house burn down from a PR POV.
Something a bit dodgy about two white people being offended by a black person making black jokes. I get you don't wanna offend people but it doesn't really feel sincere
I don't really think they're getting offended, I think they're reflecting on the jokes and how if made today, they'd be very questionable. and stanz makes it very clear he understands it was a different time, that doesn't make it any easier to watch today
@casss8605 sorry but no. Just watch his reactions to the sidemen Diss tracks that have slur where they laugh about it and move on. Here they really need to let the audition know how against it they are but it's not for them to decide if a black person making black jokes is fine or not...
Also they literally laughed at the R face line from harry in that video too and didn't spend 10 minutes to say why it's bad to say that. They are definitely pandering to the cancel culture audience
should've covered the parts he's kept off camera but people have talked about it like him getting someone an apartment or gifting randolph £20k for his wedding etc,
As a wise coked up old man once said, the old KSI will never be topped. Just like how Pewds basically made the whole gaming niche and Smosh made the sketch comedy/irl stuff niche KSI almost single handedly MADE British RUclips. So many UK youtubers who's channels literally got that first boost from KSI being on them regularly and even now the Sidemen continue that tradition with up and coming UK youtubers.
He’s JJ when he's with his real friends like the sidemen and their whole circle and he's being mostly genuine but he's KSI when he's with people like Logan Paul who are generally awful people and bad influences because he's admitted to being easily influenced and having a bit of an addictive personality especially when it comes to things like gambling. Their's always a little KSI present if he's trying to make anyone laugh or be at all entertaining but it's clear to me that he sticks with the sidemen so they can keep him from going 100% KSI full time. He has actual friends that don’t need him anymore to rich and successful to keep him humble and tell him the truth. He's not the smartest guy in the world so he’s very lucky to have a good circle to keep him from getting completely lost in KSI.
I have not watched the entire video yet, but I beg the video from JaackMaate's podcast with JJ is in here. It is an amazing representation of JJ's kindness when it comes to helping others in need.
hi caanths. its insane that people are mad over a youtube video that is overwhelmingly positive and has no allegations or hate pointed at KSI. you do good work. its crazy that they are upset that not every piece of history was covered in a super condensed video thats already 77 minutes long. ive been watching stanz on and off for a hot minute, but ive tuned into every deepdive w caanths. I never expected every single detail to be ironed out and have every minor achievement covered; i always thought this was two bros learning about a youtuber/influencer in a succinct and quick style. GGs caanth. you're a cool dude i think.
the issue is they didn't cover MOST of the history. they completely ignored his fifa content, completely ignored the sidemen, completely ignored anything positive he did and focused purely on some edgy jokes he made
Hey, I get where you’re coming from, and I agree that expecting every detail to be covered in a 77-minute video isn’t realistic. However, I think the frustration some people, including myself, are expressing comes from how KSI was portrayed overall. While the video might not have had any outright allegations or hate, it felt like there was a heavy focus on critiquing his past, particularly when he was 18 and still figuring things out, without equally emphasizing the growth, achievements, and positive impact he’s had since. KSI’s journey is more than just his controversies-he’s someone who’s acknowledged his mistakes and grown into a role model for many. It’s not that I expected them to iron out every detail, but skipping over key parts of his story-like his influence on the RUclips boxing scene, his work ethic, and his contributions to influencer culture-made the video feel incomplete. I love Stanz and Caanths’ work, and I appreciate the effort they put into these deep dives. I just think this one could’ve benefited from a more balanced perspective. At the end of the day, it’s all love, and I hope future deep dives take this feedback into account!
That's just Stans projecting lmao. The same way us Hispanics don't give a fuck if one of us say "oh yeah, I'm a taco muncher yum yum" as a joke, 99% of black people don't care. I hate the word "woke" bc it's loss of meaning, but I feel like Stans definitely doesn't understand what should be offensive so he thinks EVERYTHING is
Literally in the video you heard from a chatter that black people would get mobbed for criticising KSI playing into stereotypes. Probably by people like you tbh.
I think caanths didn’t think to include the fifa stuff because they’ve gone over other British RUclipsrs of the same era, and British RUclips at the time was purely fifa
Fun fact, the "voice of god" trope and the dubbed over questions from the How To videos are all references of nigahiga's How To Be videos. I feel like we need an early RUclips deep dive with nigahiga, Fred, Phillip DeFranco, =3, Smosh, jacksfilms, tomska, and all the other *old* old creators. There's even a niche UK scene with charlieissocoollike, zoella, dan and phil, there's probably more too, I didn't watch any of the UK folks.
@@landonlee535 Caanths being dense is a bit of a meme in our community. However, this video is full of...stuff. So this may not seem the sarcastic bit that it is.
Ive never understood hating stereotypes because ive never had someone call me a spick or said racist things to me because gabriel iglesias made jokes about spanish stereotypes. Its literally just a joke around trends that tend to be somewhat common. Idk maybe im just insensitive?
As someone who has been called a slur, it sucks. It's not "just a word" it's an attitude of ignorance, apathy, or straight up bigotry. There's a history to these words and real world consequences.
@@walkmonkey7 i can understand 100% being upset when someone is attempting to degrade or berate you. What i dont understand is getting upset at jokes that are made. I think its very clear when something is meant to hurt feelings and when something is meant to make you laugh. There are definitely jokes that dont age well or land at all but i tend to give jokes a little leeway.
@@NoHeros247 Jokes can still be insults. It's called mockery. It isn't clear every time someone makes a joke whether or not it's meant to offend. In fact, many people hide behind saying "it's just a joke" when they intended to offend. To put it bluntly, your experiences don't define other people's experiences. In my experience, I've been called the f slur "jokingly" by many people in a demeaning manor and directly in an aggressive, serious way. The only people who have used it jokingly in an inoffensive manor were other gay people and they were nice enough to stop when asked. As for whether or not something ages well, I think it is fine to criticize the past. It should be acknowledged.
That’s where I’m confused with him too, I like Jj in sidemen, but him with Logan feels like a different person! I’m glad I’m not the only one who is confused!
It's funny, I was well aware of KSI back at the start, but even as a young teenager I found the constant race "comedy" and shouting to be cringe (Wroetoshaw too, actually). I watched lots of Zerkaa back in the early CoD days, but I only actually started liking KSI (and Harry) after the hiatus and the growth of the Sidemen channel, when I started to see him as an actual person.
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not including race to div1 which made him popular is a crime. Sadge
Actually right I feel bad for not including it I feel dumb I’m sorry - caanths
@@stanzhow could you. you're dense
@@bow5.honestly the more i watch these videos i feel like stanz is working with the wrong person to make these 😔
We didn’t hear a single welcome to Beast sadge 😂
@@LunaticTickBoomwould have helped explain the merch
JJ and Simon spoke about the ending of that one video a few years back. JJ tells the story that he really wanted him to actually say the word, but Simon really didn't want to and told JJ that if he actually said it, it would come to bite him big time in the future, which it would have. I think Simon said he actually said "Namibia" which is an African country.
I think this story alone shows a lot of the maturity difference between JJ and Simon even back then.
@@ActuallyAnanya Nobody would ever know he might have said it and is lying u cannot just assume things. This is such a weak thing to say
I think it's perfectly believable that Simon didn't say the word, but his lips don't touch. I don't know why he doesn't tell people he said 'near' instead of Namibia
looks more like he says "ninja" but like either way good move my dude
Really just skipped all the fifa content that made him who he is... No Race to division one, no pack openings, no wagers...
That’s all I need to read to know not to waste my time on this video 😂 see yah
No rape face?
Top goals of the week was PEAK content
No How to always win either, what a classic
@@bobbymccoyo338I mean they did show that
Ksi was not rich, his parents worked multiple jobs to afford private school for him because they wanted to give him the opportunities they never had
that’s still rich. They lived in a large house just outside London and paid tens of thousands of pounds a year to send their kids to private school. That’s rich. At a baseline, being able to afford private school is rich, no matter if you need to work longer hours to be able to afford that in the first place.
parents working hard to achieve an outcome doesn't mean they arent rich.
If you want to be very charitable his parents were middle class. But they weren't working class or poor. Being able to afford private schooling is a huge privilege: there's not SFE for secondary
Ig the point is more that he wasn't necessarily spoilt. He was a kid of immigrants who just wanted the best for their kid. I also think it shows in how he leans into stereotypes which was for sure encouraged when I was at a mostly white school, so I can't imagine at private. Doesn't justify how he was, but its context
I wish you showed all the stories about JJ. The amount of people he's helped and how much he's done for charity. His friends have so many stories and KSI tried to keep it lowkey.
Awesome. Now let’s talk about how he scams his fans.
@Yerocco Scammed? Let's talk then... when did he scam anyone 😂
@ crypto rug pulls
Edit: you asked when. Sorry. Started to in 2022. Came back in feb of this year. “I lOsT mOnEy” is irrelevant.
Edit of the edit: Vikk even called it out in a podcast. So it’s really hard to argue against it.
@Yerocco he hasn't gained anything from crypto, though. You know how dumb KSI is 😂 he wouldn't pump and dump for easy coin. He did 2 bad tweets. It's not the same as creating a coin and dumping like Faze or Logan Paul. Why focus on such negative shit too... Coffee has 3 vids to talk about that shit. If it were something malicious or even illegal, he'd be in court right now. It really comes down to your perception of KSI and if you think he's capable of that which I really don't, but each to their own
@ I knew you’d say because he didn’t make money it doesn’t count lmao. Be gullible.
“Old KSI will never be topped” -W2S
I think its quite worth mentioning the fact that JJ Olatunji channel was once monetized and de-monetized and stayed that way ever since
That's not true actually
When he gone in that 6 months break he signed a contract where he got paid but any money generated from youtube will go to that company in the next 5 years
so when made videos it was demonetized
But now the contract ended last year where he can make money again from youtube which he said it himself
This was such a nothing dive. I think Caanths is brilliant but he absolutely sold with this one. There’s so much to cover on KSI yet this video felt so empty.
No way your chat was upset at getting hyper, it’s RUclips heritage 😂
I love stanz but his chat is so boring, what did these guys watch or do when they where teenagers. Its lame how they act so 'superior'
I think they're all kinda young
@@letsroamaround2189 Love Stanz but generally, him and his chat have always been the "friend that's too woke" sometimes
RUclips heritage is like saying poop heritage it means nothing because RUclips has no significance irl especially the early days
@@dffgffffffddddddddddhe’s watching a video about a RUclipsr on RUclips. It means actually quite a lot
Been loving the deep dives but having 1 video on KSI and 3 on Joe Weller is kinda crazy
this video JUST came out bruh 😭
As a youtube frog oh my god the twitch chat was so insufferable this entire video
you should see the idubbbz one...
Someone said it in the chat perfectly. They said something like it was British lad culture at the time. It really was not a big deal or offensive to anyone at the time and it was getting views that’s why he was doing it. I’m not defending some of the stuff he said but the reasons are very clear as to why he did it. His brain just hadn’t got out of that dark cringy lad humour for a while. Also most of the chat is way too sensitive. They were annoyed at stuff that genuinely wasn’t even that deep
The big thing for me is how people act in the modern day. JJ is not a good guy at the moment, either.
@ what do u mean by he is not a good guy? This is a genuine question I wanna know an example cos I’m not sure
@theohowe3106 He's scammed people through crypto multiple times.
@theohowe3106 He probably just sees that he is associated with Logan Paul (which I do agree is shitty) and some of his big persona things and assumes he must be that.
@theohowe3106 He scammed people through crypto. Coffeezilla did a great video on it.
Speaking as a long time KSI fan, I don’t think you did hun justice in this dive. Not looking at any of the amazing prime documentary. Not looking at or focusing on his relationship with the sidemen. If you only look at JJ’s massive moments in a dive they’re gonna look bad, but to say you can’t “come to a conclusion” about him after not looking at any of his non controversial moments is disgusting. As well as 2 white men sitting and looking at a black man making stereotypical jokes and saying that he’s wrong for it is gross. JJ is the reason a lot of black context creators started out. Chunks, Jidion, Speed, Kai and so many more have openly said KSI was the reason they wanted to make content, because if he as a black man could do it so could they. As a fan of your other deep dives I’m very disappointed in this. I think the moments were chosen specifically because right now, KSI is an openly disliked figure. Just disappointed and it’s bad journalism.
Couldn't have said it better
@@brutus_the_guy8257 i think ur too blinded by being a fan of ksi to realise that actually a lot of shit he did was bad, and actually he was a shitty guy for a while
@@casss8605 I agree that he probably was a shitty guy for a bit, but only focusing on the shit without the positive is gross.
Gross and bad journalism fanboys need to hop off and get some fresh air
@@casss8605 the only real 'shitty' thing he did was his eurogamer/public video stuff, where he made a lot of weird comments to strangers. his 'r*pe face' looks bad now, but that word was just a connotation for 'destroy' back then (look at syndicate). his stereotype jokes were at his own expense and weren't seen as outrageous back then.
as a general rule when it comes to youtube: if something wasn't condemned or seen as cancellable back then, it shouldn't be now.
Skipped most of jjs iconic videos to spend half the video pretending to be offended at an 18 year old being cringe
u think people cant have different thoughts and opinions to u bc ur brain is too simple to conceive of it
You are a 30 year old being cringe lmao
Yea I don’t like they spent a lot of the video talking bout the downside of JJ instead of the iconic fifa videos, random games he played with Deji, and early GTA videos
@@casss8605Kinda missing the point, more than half the video is literally 💩Ing on KSI when he was a teen and skipped and overlooked a lot of key details about ksi’s life
Being a Stanz Vodfrog, ngl the moral grandstanding in the chat kinda makes it super annoying
Not commenting on the morality of any act. But it feels like a lot of people in the chat are snooty brats who just needed an excuse to shit on someone. Just feels like the energy is way off and even if theyre criticizing actions justifiably, the intent feels questionable
they’re just kids who don’t remember what the internet was like a very short time ago
@@Furiac. As a college age kid my first instinct was to say you're wrong but sadly that's the truth
Thats just chat for you. I hate when streamers upload videos with chat in the corner because they are constantly spewing their garbage takes in my peripheral vision
@@gibbings5534 tbh yeah, you have to realise what kind of personality/character leads to someone typing away endless messages in a scrolling livestream chat in hopes of being noticed lmao
They're potentially fairly largely an American and/or audience whose biggest exposures to him are his association and businesses with Logan Paul, and The Thick Of It memes. You're almost predisposed to see everything in a negative light if you have that as your starting point
KSI did an interview with ITV where they asked him about the good times and then also asked him about the bad times so you get to see the (relatively) recent KSI respond to his older mistakes. Same interviewer as the guy who made RDJ leave the interview
It's so easy to look back at some of this and judge hard but at the time it was just different and viewed different by everybody. I also don't feel like the growth of KSI has been potrayed too well here
"Everybody" being KSI's audience of edgy teenage boys... meanwhile his sponsors dropped him so clearly they didn't view that content the same way
@ActuallyAnanya it took them quite a lot to do that and also sponsored him where he was already doing things that today would be considered cancelable and controversial
@@ActuallyAnanya I cant tell if u are being serious. Johnny depp lost alot of sponsors even when he was found innocent sponsors only care about money.
@@iliyarezvanfar25 Johnny won the defamation case, he lost the abuse case. He's also notorious for turning up to sets drunk.
@@ActuallyAnanya I'd beg to differ there, I'd say it was viewed differently by the entirety of youtubes userbase back then. Even if brands didn't see it that way, I feel like the views of the entire userbase of youtube back then was far more different to corporate views of stuff compared to now. Nowadays people are a lot more woke and see a lot more offense in things in online spaces, whereas that was not really a common thing at the time. This is why KSI made the content he did for so long, even though brands would struggle to work with him because of how he acted, he was validated by basically the entirety of the internet, hence why things like the rape face faced basically no backlash at all at the time
we need a sidemen sunday watchalong
tbf to fifa coins sites, for most of them it's a straight forward transaction, you pay the money, they give you the coins. The CSGO Lotto thing was a scandal because it was a slot machine that the youtuber can alter the odds however they want. Comparing two of these is quite ignorance on the subject. UK RUclipsrs "got away" with it because it's much a much tamer situation, at worse they are telling kids to break tos that are barely enforced.
The whole private school thing is not what it seems. He didn’t come from some upper class family who had high paying jobs and easily could afford it. His parents worked their ass of to get him into private school and that’s why they were so strict. If they were just rich and money was nothing to them, they wouldn’t care so much
I think i'm starting to dislike Caanths. He is pretty terrible at giving context in most of these deep dives.
You can tell that he has this view of british Private School kids as if every single one is extremely rich, he even mentions JJs parents probably expected him to get into Oxford or Cambridge, which is why they were giving him etiquette training.
This is not true at all. Alot of people, probably like JJs family are more just middle to upper middle class (you can even be working class and go to private school depending on the school). It isn't just you go to private school therefore you are expected to go to these top tier universities and become part of the upper echelon of society. Hence why JJ and Deji were taking Etiquette classes, cos their parents come from a middle class background and don't know much about proper Etiquette and are trying to get their children as far as they possibly can go in life.
This is pretty common for hardworking first and second generation immigrant families. Not born into money, but through discipline and hardwork try and gain every advantage they can see to better their families future.
@@askechadd2473he gets to personal and for some reason the deep dive is always skewed in a negative exposing way, but people don't like KSI anyway because of...mold chesse and his relation to a crypto scammers and etc why give him good faith critique or coverage if he sucks
@@askechadd2473 This is dangerously close to being a "because he's white" take but this is the classic immigrant story, you should be able to infer that if you're as big of a JJ fan as Caanths says he is.
Quite literally every immigrant story you hear from your peers in the US revolves around millions of extracurriculars, or private school and prep school, in order to give your kids what you didn't have. Then again, that leads to awful relationships with your parents (and oftentimes physical abuse), like JJ also experienced.
@@askechadd2473 While I 100% agree that alot of private school kids can be Working and middle class , i dont understand your reason to hate. I dont see your logic at all, non that hate is every justified as Is. As a person who fits under that I dont feel like there was any bias anyway. Feel like you just read it wrong and got angry over nothing
@@MinecraftImplosion Caanths seems to be pretty bad at giving context. This is just one of those situations.
Stanzs is now led to believe that JJ is some upper class richboy that fakes as if he was really poor. Hence why Stanz thought it was weird that JJ was wearing particular clothes or a chain despite being an upper class person. When realistically, he didn't fake being poor, he isn't upper class and in terms of JJs upbringing and cultural expression growing up, everything falls pretty in line with being in a middle class first, second or third generation immigrant family.
That was all erased because Caanths has some weird bias about private school kids and therefore hearing that JJ went to private school it must mean he is literally the poshest of posh destined for Oxford or Cambridge. It's ignorant, lacking all nuance and just another example of Caanths being bad at giving context.
Caanths doesn't seem like he is very in tune with UK culture at all. There are other things about him that are really annoying to me but those are outside the scope of this private school thing. I'll just say that he doesn't feel culturally British at all and it feels like he'd fit in better with californians. Which makes him a really bad presenter of UK internet culture.
+2 to the guy who said JJ's physics rap had "flow like a staircase"
Chat can't stop crying lmao
the person slide tackling him was like an old friend of simon and jj’s
they talk about it when reacting to old videos
2:09 "gaps of knowledge that you have" is lowkey a double entendre
This video is KSI and not JJ, you didn’t do JJ justice, do more research on JJ and less on KSI, there’s so much more to JJ than what’s revealed here, which is disappointing. Maybe I’m spoiled by sidemen plus because I get to see JJ before the cameras roll and KSI as soon as the camera is on, that’s when you can tell the difference 🤷🏾♀️
why are they so uncomfortable when ksi made those black jokes, bro ur allowed to laugh or not laugh u dont have to feel uncomfortable or bad when hearing those jokes.
Ro it’s cringe. And cringe makes people feel uncomfortable
idk about caanths but for stanz its obvious that he just doesnt like it. the jokes weren’t good and propped up racist behavior. even though ksi was young and stupid, it doesn’t change the impact. im a fan of ksi and i have seen the discord videos and it shows the fanbase he and the sidemen have cultivated and influenced.
@@atoagej back then it was definitely funny. ksi blew up largely because of that sort of 'no fucks given, no limits' humour. it hasn't aged well but if it wasn't funny back then he wouldn't be here
holy crap why do you guys act offended about everything to do with him mentioning black people 🤣 the video started off well but it was annoying being offended by the softest of jokes. so weird
It's the worst part about these deep dives. They watch classic youtubers and spend most of the time cringing.
I think it was in one of the Joe Weller vids where Caanths gives a trigger warning that the video includes Weller saying 'The R-word'. I swear to god i didn't even know there was an R word. I don't even like using this word but these guys are the actual sterotypical californian soys getting unironically uncomfortable at the mildest of edgy jokes.
@@LecksMoney ur white, u have no say in what the ‘softest of jokes’ about black people are
how about show all the good things he has done and how much he has helped people and how actually nice jj is instead of trying to make him look bad based on jokes he made 10 years ago when he was still young lol thats crazy.
because that isnt good for clicks
one story i remember is back when he used to play overwatch, there was someone he used to play with (he didn't know him irl) and jj asked him one day why he hadn't been online. the guy basically said that he was struggling with paying rent and other stuff. jj sorts out everything for him, no questions asked.
no publicity, no seeking attention or validation, nothing. just did it out of the good of his heart. we only know this even happened because that guy happened to be a friend of podcaster jaackmate, who brought it up when he had ksi on his 'happy hour' show
I think the stance on the misogyny and terrible stance of JJ's actions during the 'being awkward' stage is a completely different era. He did nothing wrong in the eyes of the people back then, but people's perceptions on that time have changed massively. Not to say that was right at the time. But I don't think its right to dig dirt of the perception of the masses at the time and make it wrong now.
Nah I am not someone is for cancel culture but it was weird at the time too, it is just his fanbase was mainly teenagers at the time so being edgy was given a pass
Ikr, what is now deemed as edgy and dark humor, was a prevalent thing back then. It's weird seeing people judging those kinds of things with modern standards and omitting many context clues of the time. It's not like he boasting around about it nowadays, he has distanced himself from that era and refuse to do that sort of stuff again
If that's how people want to perceive stuff like this and to some degree acting like some sort of moral police, I wonder all the kinds of thing these people have done up to this day, that are going to be judged as malicious and negative action by people in the future
i am the real jj olatundji
Omg big fan
FROM THE SCREEN TO THE RING TO THE PEN TO THE KING
If ur gonna claim to be someone atleast spell their name right💀
holy shit
you should do a TGF deepdive
Agreed!
I feel like Stanz would hate them so it’s probably best that he doesn’t lol
i feel like there was so much more to go into. good things he has done not just the r face and his younger days.
still a brilliant watch
I thought I wasn't chronically online until I watched this and realized that it's a walk down a memory lane
Before even watching this if it's not included in the video I think you should watch 'the truth about KSI' by jaackmaate
No Hazard clip????????? Or the no race to division to one.... This is not an actual complete deep dive.. but still good
i fear these deep dives are doing irreparable damage to the history of british youtube
Enjoying the deep dives but we really need a Harry W2S one. Bro would be creased. The uncancellable autist is an inspiration tbh.
That or Danny Aaron's and Tennesee lol
What is there to deep dive for Danny and Tennesee lol it would be a 5 min vid
We dont need a Danny Aarons deep dive...
@OneHuntiBoi the hilarity of it would be quite good honestly. The guy leveled up massively in 2 years. And just so we're clear, all of this stuff is content that doesn't NEED to exist, we just enjoy watching deep dives into drama and trash
KSI his early vids was COD (how he knew Zerkaa) & FIFA gameplay with commentary not just FIFA - Road to D1 was the pop off one also not including the final episode of R2D1 is insane canths you've let me down big time
i don't think he met zerkaa through cod, he met him through fifa when they used to play pro clubs together (how they met ethan too)
he knew of zerkaa through cod though
The density is strong with this video
this video is a perfect example of why you actually need to do some research. no mention of beast, no real mention of the sidemen, very little mention of his fifa content, no mention of randolph...
this video reads like your mate in the pub after a few pints telling you what he thinks of a random celebrity that you don't know, and just going along with whatever they say
and for the record, i actually dislike jj to an extent because of his recent actions.
its ridiculous how scared these guys are of racist jokes made by a black guy 15 years ago
@@jonesy6962 its ridiculous how much jj profits off his fans being 13 year old white racists
I think you need to do a deep dive to JJ’s music because it’s really interesting seeing him go from Heskey time, Lamborghini to serious music with Randy to then his serious solo albums Dissimulation and All over the place and how much he has improved and got to the place where he gets number 1 album and charts as high as number 2 on the UK charts
Imo this should’ve been a multiple part deep dive like the Joe Weller. Way too much iconic old KSI moments left out
Christ guys its not that deep to have to be offended by everything it was funny to his audience at the time, some of it is still nostalgia funny, the grandstanding of 'this is so awkward' bla bla bla really kills this video
Bet youre 12
Key phrase here is “at the time”. It was acceptable edgy internet humor back then. If you’re a grown adult now with a developed brain, it’s clear to see why those old videos are awkward
@@sam.ne0 if he was 12 he literally would not have been alive during the majority of that era. the people defending jj are early 20s minimum.
@@kuma1326 but 'at the time' is the key part here. he should have complete immunity to any cancelling from those days
@@sam.ne0 It's only young people that are pretending to be offended by this stuff, dude. They don't know how the world was 12 years ago.
crazy to see the Halo clan scene mentioned. I was also in the same situation making Halo Clans and websites to go along with them. Good times Stanz
ksi stuck around in cod for a while too, not sure how long though
I discovered you because of the Steven Tries deep dive and ngl I’ve now binged most of them. As a Brit I love showing my American friends British creators and watching half of it go over their heads just like you😂❤️
So my cousin was one of the editors of Eurogamer during that whole debacle in 2012 and I was actually at the conference, I had staff access as an invitee. The whole thing unfolding was like watching a house burn down from a PR POV.
I am really early so I just wanted to say before watching this video, that I am enjoying the videos recently and really appreciate them.
Thank you :)
@@stanzso gassed to watch this, pls consider a TGF deep dive
@@stanz can u react to the new ksi song DIRTY pls
that is THE vikkstar123
dont forget the minecraft warlord
I really hate how people wanna famous people to be flawless, I wish we could see all the shitty things yall all have done in your perfect lives
No race to div1, top five goals of the week, pro clubs or beast is crazy
Comments here doing a great job of demonstrating the severe level of arrested development that seemingly affects the majority of KSI fans.
Something a bit dodgy about two white people being offended by a black person making black jokes. I get you don't wanna offend people but it doesn't really feel sincere
100%
I don't really think they're getting offended, I think they're reflecting on the jokes and how if made today, they'd be very questionable. and stanz makes it very clear he understands it was a different time, that doesn't make it any easier to watch today
@@Randomperson-nc7ye i think stanz simply knows black people that would be offended/offput by jj’s jokes and so its cringe and weird
@casss8605 sorry but no. Just watch his reactions to the sidemen Diss tracks that have slur where they laugh about it and move on. Here they really need to let the audition know how against it they are but it's not for them to decide if a black person making black jokes is fine or not...
Also they literally laughed at the R face line from harry in that video too and didn't spend 10 minutes to say why it's bad to say that. They are definitely pandering to the cancel culture audience
KSI was my GOAT youtuber like 6 years ago.
should've covered the parts he's kept off camera but people have talked about it like him getting someone an apartment or gifting randolph £20k for his wedding etc,
you can tell stanz is a real one when he heard KSI crashed his lambo, and his immediate response was "was he okay?".
3:15 now he has a song with lil wayne
As a wise coked up old man once said, the old KSI will never be topped. Just like how Pewds basically made the whole gaming niche and Smosh made the sketch comedy/irl stuff niche KSI almost single handedly MADE British RUclips. So many UK youtubers who's channels literally got that first boost from KSI being on them regularly and even now the Sidemen continue that tradition with up and coming UK youtubers.
He’s JJ when he's with his real friends like the sidemen and their whole circle and he's being mostly genuine but he's KSI when he's with people like Logan Paul who are generally awful people and bad influences because he's admitted to being easily influenced and having a bit of an addictive personality especially when it comes to things like gambling. Their's always a little KSI present if he's trying to make anyone laugh or be at all entertaining but it's clear to me that he sticks with the sidemen so they can keep him from going 100% KSI full time. He has actual friends that don’t need him anymore to rich and successful to keep him humble and tell him the truth. He's not the smartest guy in the world so he’s very lucky to have a good circle to keep him from getting completely lost in KSI.
Are you guys gonna do a sidemen dive? feels like there is a lot to cover and has a lot less controversy and very wholesome journey
I have not watched the entire video yet, but I beg the video from JaackMaate's podcast with JJ is in here. It is an amazing representation of JJ's kindness when it comes to helping others in need.
Getting rich (especially the way he did) not only made it so he didn't have to take things so seriously but also incentivized him not to.
We need a Vikkstar deep dive
The old school ksi deji vids were the best. Since hes gone ego and prime im over it
This is peak youtube. I will NOT apologise for liking it then or now. If you can’t handle it, grow up and get a job
who are you yelling at LOOL
@@midnijt stanz? Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@@vanbalzup6481 bro he doesnt care about you do what you want
real
Up yours woke moralists!
hi caanths. its insane that people are mad over a youtube video that is overwhelmingly positive and has no allegations or hate pointed at KSI.
you do good work. its crazy that they are upset that not every piece of history was covered in a super condensed video thats already 77 minutes long. ive been watching stanz on and off for a hot minute, but ive tuned into every deepdive w caanths. I never expected every single detail to be ironed out and have every minor achievement covered; i always thought this was two bros learning about a youtuber/influencer in a succinct and quick style.
GGs caanth. you're a cool dude i think.
"haha funny times deepdive" is now held to higher standard than any historical recap or journalist/commentary video.
I agree
the issue is they didn't cover MOST of the history. they completely ignored his fifa content, completely ignored the sidemen, completely ignored anything positive he did and focused purely on some edgy jokes he made
Hey, I get where you’re coming from, and I agree that expecting every detail to be covered in a 77-minute video isn’t realistic. However, I think the frustration some people, including myself, are expressing comes from how KSI was portrayed overall.
While the video might not have had any outright allegations or hate, it felt like there was a heavy focus on critiquing his past, particularly when he was 18 and still figuring things out, without equally emphasizing the growth, achievements, and positive impact he’s had since. KSI’s journey is more than just his controversies-he’s someone who’s acknowledged his mistakes and grown into a role model for many.
It’s not that I expected them to iron out every detail, but skipping over key parts of his story-like his influence on the RUclips boxing scene, his work ethic, and his contributions to influencer culture-made the video feel incomplete.
I love Stanz and Caanths’ work, and I appreciate the effort they put into these deep dives. I just think this one could’ve benefited from a more balanced perspective. At the end of the day, it’s all love, and I hope future deep dives take this feedback into account!
Miniminter deep dive when
WE NEED W2S DEEPDIVEEEE.
People getting offended by a black guy making a joke about black culture is so stupid
That's just Stans projecting lmao. The same way us Hispanics don't give a fuck if one of us say "oh yeah, I'm a taco muncher yum yum" as a joke, 99% of black people don't care.
I hate the word "woke" bc it's loss of meaning, but I feel like Stans definitely doesn't understand what should be offensive so he thinks EVERYTHING is
Pretty sure it's also about a posh guy from a private school acting like an american gangster? And then making these jokes. That's just my theory
Yeah, white guys dictating what black guys can & can’t joke about is hella sus.
Literally in the video you heard from a chatter that black people would get mobbed for criticising KSI playing into stereotypes. Probably by people like you tbh.
@@ActuallyAnanya Brother do you have nothing to do? Replying to everyone jfc you're obsessed
Crazy how hard a watch most of the old stuff is, especially in this context with Stanz who didn't grow up in UK RUclips. Good times tho
Caanths and stanz need to do a dive on Syndicate
*insert Sean dyche next to green wall*
Will the real jj olatunji please stand up?
NAHHHHH BRO
The Chemistry rap is way more iconic than the Physics rap
Haven't been watching sidemen for a long time but this feels like they skipped a lot of important stuff
Thanks for these been watching them all lately; anyone got a favorite stanz deep dive y’all like the most?
no race to div 1 is a craaaazy choice. race to div 1 was fucking incredible
🎆🎆🎆MORE DIVEMAS 🎆🎆🎆
Should’ve included the clip from Happy Hour Podcast where a guy talks about JJ giving him a home when he was homeless
and then he went to work with the scammer and forest guy
gonna be so disappointed if there’s no q&a sunday.
the deji reaction to thick of it was so good
I think caanths didn’t think to include the fifa stuff because they’ve gone over other British RUclipsrs of the same era, and British RUclips at the time was purely fifa
Fun fact, the "voice of god" trope and the dubbed over questions from the How To videos are all references of nigahiga's How To Be videos.
I feel like we need an early RUclips deep dive with nigahiga, Fred, Phillip DeFranco, =3, Smosh, jacksfilms, tomska, and all the other *old* old creators. There's even a niche UK scene with charlieissocoollike, zoella, dan and phil, there's probably more too, I didn't watch any of the UK folks.
Caanths seems a bit dense. The more these videos come out the more I realized Stans is working with the wrong person to make these...
This must've been an accidental like from stanz lmao
We need the tgf deep dive
23:20 this was his face reveal i swear
I distinctively remember get hyper when I was in school. Everyone was doing it.
i feel like including bt is like having "tv" in your name today
caanths is back? he seems a bit dense
wait, I'm an occasional viewer. What's up w Caanths?
@@landonlee535he's a bit dense
I like caanths, he just misses a few things, that doesn't .ale him bad, nobody's perfect
@@landonlee535 Caanths being dense is a bit of a meme in our community. However, this video is full of...stuff. So this may not seem the sarcastic bit that it is.
@@crazycatbrooke ah, thank you!
We were getting hyper in norway too. 7th grade was crazy
Every unidentifiable being is Callux
Thick of it is a bangerrrrr
Ive never understood hating stereotypes because ive never had someone call me a spick or said racist things to me because gabriel iglesias made jokes about spanish stereotypes. Its literally just a joke around trends that tend to be somewhat common. Idk maybe im just insensitive?
As someone who has been called a slur, it sucks. It's not "just a word" it's an attitude of ignorance, apathy, or straight up bigotry. There's a history to these words and real world consequences.
@@walkmonkey7 i can understand 100% being upset when someone is attempting to degrade or berate you. What i dont understand is getting upset at jokes that are made. I think its very clear when something is meant to hurt feelings and when something is meant to make you laugh. There are definitely jokes that dont age well or land at all but i tend to give jokes a little leeway.
@@NoHeros247 Jokes can still be insults. It's called mockery. It isn't clear every time someone makes a joke whether or not it's meant to offend. In fact, many people hide behind saying "it's just a joke" when they intended to offend.
To put it bluntly, your experiences don't define other people's experiences. In my experience, I've been called the f slur "jokingly" by many people in a demeaning manor and directly in an aggressive, serious way. The only people who have used it jokingly in an inoffensive manor were other gay people and they were nice enough to stop when asked.
As for whether or not something ages well, I think it is fine to criticize the past. It should be acknowledged.
@@walkmonkey7 i think we just disagree
Of we had a vikstar123 tomahawk montage dive id be so happy
he is no longer in the thick of it
bro redeemed himself today so he is good now
That’s where I’m confused with him too, I like Jj in sidemen, but him with Logan feels like a different person! I’m glad I’m not the only one who is confused!
He Never Crashed The Lambo
callux WAS the other teletubby
It's funny, I was well aware of KSI back at the start, but even as a young teenager I found the constant race "comedy" and shouting to be cringe (Wroetoshaw too, actually). I watched lots of Zerkaa back in the early CoD days, but I only actually started liking KSI (and Harry) after the hiatus and the growth of the Sidemen channel, when I started to see him as an actual person.