Unbelieveable Boeing 747-400 Very Early Rotation ! 600 Meter Take-Off Run Of A Boeing 747 (HD)

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  • Опубликовано: 17 июн 2012
  • Emirates Sky Cargo Boeing 747-400 OO-THD DUS - Have a look at this stunning Take-off. There was a very strong head-wind and the plane was almost empty. This was reason why the pilot was able to leave the runway after a few meters. Quite impressive though!! The flight distance was just 120 miles (Düsseldorf - Franfurt)
    Emirates Sky Cargo doesn` t fly to Düsseldorf anymore. It` s kinda sad because I was always impressed by these amazing early rotations.
    Camera used: Canon 5dMarkii + Canon 100-400
    Emirates Sky Cargo Boeing 747-400 OO-THD DUS - Echa un vistazo a este asombroso despegue. Había un fuerte viento de cabeza y el avión estaba casi vacío. Esta fue la razón por la que el piloto fue capaz de salir de la pista después de unos metros. Bastante impresionante aunque !! El vuelo tuvo una distancia de 120 millas (Düsseldorf - Franfurt)
    Emirates Sky Cargo ya no vuelve a Düsseldorf. Es un poco triste porque siempre me impresionó por estas asombrosas rotaciones tempranas.
    Emirates Sky Cargo Boeing 747-400 OO-THD DUS - Jetez un coup d'œil à ce décollage sensationnel. Il y avait un fort vent de tête et l'avion était presque vide. C'est pourquoi le pilote a pu quitter la piste après quelques mètres. Assez impressionnant !! La distance de vol était à seulement 120 miles (Düsseldorf - Franfurt)
    Emirates Sky Cargo ne vole plus à Düsseldorf. C'est un peu triste parce que j'ai toujours été impressionné par ces étonnantes rotations tôt.
    Emirates Sky Cargo Boeing 747-400 OO-THD DUS - Взгляните на этот потрясающий Взлет. Был очень сильный встречный ветер, и самолет был почти пуст. Это была причина, почему пилот смог покинуть взлетно-посадочной полосы через несколько метров. Весьма впечатляет, хотя !! Расстояние полета составила всего 120 миль (Дюссельдорф -) Франкфурте
    Emirates Sky Cargo doesn` т лететь в Дюссельдорф больше. S любопытное Оно деталь A. `грустно, потому что я всегда удивлялся этим удивительным ранних вращений.
    ameeraat skaee kaargo boing 747-400 oo-thd dus - yah aashcharyajanak le-oph par ek najar hai. ek bahut majaboot sir hava nahin thee aur vimaan lagabhag khaalee tha. yahee kaaran hai ki paayalat kuchh hee meetar ke baad ranave chhodane ke lie saksham tha is kaaran tha. haalaanki kaaphee prabhaavashaalee !! udaan dooree sirph 120 meel (daseladorph - franfurt)
    ameeraat skaee kaargo tee daseladorph ke lie ab aur udaan bharane ke lie doaisn`। it` thode dukh kee baat hai kyonki main hamesha in adbhut jaldee ghumaav se prabhaavit tha.
    Thanks for watching.
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  • @ombmm9408
    @ombmm9408 6 лет назад +250

    First time seeing a 747 boeing with emirates livery on it

  • @tmbruno2539
    @tmbruno2539 5 лет назад +72

    Copilot- Bet you can’t take off in under 17 seconds
    Pilot - Hold my beer kid

    • @Whatevershappeninginmyhead
      @Whatevershappeninginmyhead 4 года назад

      Indeed; About 22 second roll but only 15 seconds of full takeoff power till main gears leave the deck. STOL’s give me a woody. Same aircraft and conditions on a 2000’ strip would = ejaculation.

    • @incognito7071
      @incognito7071 2 года назад

      @@Whatevershappeninginmyhead WHAT?

  • @BadenCityFire
    @BadenCityFire 10 лет назад +76

    light load, short flight, perfect wind... result is a very short run

  • @Peter78730
    @Peter78730 9 лет назад +25

    I had much the same experience several years ago flying in a Lufthansa 747-400 FRA/DFW with an intermediate stop in ATL. At ATL, there was a crew change, and almost all the passengers disembarked. Out of ATL, I was the only person in first class; there were two pax in business class and a smattering in coach. And probably almost no fuel for the 730 mile flight to DFW. The pilot put the pedal to the metal, and we rolled about five feet before rocketing into the air like a fighter jet. In my years of traveling world wide, this was one of the most exhilarating takeoffs I have experienced.

    • @seansmith2223
      @seansmith2223 9 лет назад +7

      I think 5 feet might me just a really, really, tiny exaggeration. :)

    • @bpet6990
      @bpet6990 2 года назад

      @@seansmith2223 its symbolic…..

  • @johnl7443
    @johnl7443 8 лет назад +6

    Once, as a pre-9/11 flight attendant, I was in the cockpit jumpseat of an empty 757 for a night ferry flight takeoff from MIA to Havana to pick up Cuban immigrants. The captain chose to do a full power takeoff. He set power before brake release and we were on the takeoff run for a few seconds, then airborne and what seemed like straight up! It was awesome!

  • @bleistift9153
    @bleistift9153 9 лет назад +194

    This 747-400F cargo plane is propably not loaded with any cargo.. so it weights much less

  • @xanh01
    @xanh01 9 лет назад +149

    747 is still my favorite bird.

    • @Soaresbrook
      @Soaresbrook 9 лет назад +1

      xanh01 Rather 777 though

    • @xanh01
      @xanh01 9 лет назад +3

      Alexandre Soares Junior I like 777 too but 747 to me is a mighty :)

    • @Soaresbrook
      @Soaresbrook 9 лет назад +5

      Oh it's true, but u know, 777's engines rock. Both are amazing

    • @faran1684
      @faran1684 8 лет назад +3

      My all time favorite and it's a beautiful, elegant plane comparing to A380.

    • @xanh01
      @xanh01 8 лет назад +4

      babubhai Yep, the shape of 747 is so unique.

  • @noble6trololo
    @noble6trololo 11 лет назад +8

    this is insane! 100% throttle and winds pushing the plane or else this wouldn't have been possible! Amazing!

  • @Nirky
    @Nirky 9 лет назад +40

    Ah yes, the big styrofoam shipment to Paris on a windy day.

  • @salumkazi4094
    @salumkazi4094 7 лет назад +33

    I wish this had happened back in 1977 at Tenerife airport when KLM and Pan am had collided.

    • @MaynardFreek
      @MaynardFreek 5 лет назад +4

      @@notused6779 and less powerful engines

  • @JohnGaultCO
    @JohnGaultCO 10 лет назад +2

    Excellent video of an example of just how short a runway a 747 can takeoff from if it really had to -- such as when one lands at the wrong airport and must lighten up to take off from a 1000 meter or 3280 foot runway. Even figuring the 800 meters for the entire roll and some extra just in case.

  • @carlosfranciscoperez-velay4362
    @carlosfranciscoperez-velay4362 9 лет назад

    Those fantastic Emirates' pilots do it again. Thank you for sharing the video.

  • @laliux32
    @laliux32 11 лет назад

    is very nice to hear children's voices doing great and wow ... the same all over the world ... a plane taking off is pure magic

  • @jvbenjamin
    @jvbenjamin 8 лет назад +2

    Wow! So beautiful!

  • @sebastianarreguin2463
    @sebastianarreguin2463 9 лет назад

    That plane is the sexiest 747 I've ever seen. Especially in the Emirates SkyCargo livery.

  • @Treetop64
    @Treetop64 10 лет назад +2

    He was practicing for the STOL competition held in Valdez, AK that year...

  • @usmale4915
    @usmale4915 3 года назад

    Great video...thank you for sharing!

  • @Aviatorspot
    @Aviatorspot 10 лет назад

    Great footage of the takeoff! Good work!

  • @KissofDawn2012
    @KissofDawn2012 7 лет назад +1

    Gorgeous!! 😍 ✈️

  • @MalindaRajapakse
    @MalindaRajapakse 12 лет назад

    Some crazy wind there! Awesome video

  • @RyDon85
    @RyDon85 12 лет назад

    Epic catch!! One heck of a climb rate .. great video

  • @gopinadhanpillaialiaskudav5682
    @gopinadhanpillaialiaskudav5682 11 лет назад +1

    REALLY AMAZING - I LIKE IT

  • @anandhang9
    @anandhang9 8 лет назад +7

    Real queen of the skies...

    • @ARCANEmateCLAN
      @ARCANEmateCLAN 8 лет назад

      +Ariking777 Boeing Fanboy over here lol. A380 is an absolute beast, and so what if it uses a sidestick, those RR Trent 900s are pretty awesome to see. A340 / 747 still the best looking though, and A350/787 too.

    • @Ariking777
      @Ariking777 8 лет назад

      Yup, I'm a Boeing fan.
      Still, I think the 747 looks better.. the A380 is basically nothing special, only 2 decks, while the 747 has that unique hump. To me, it looks better.

  • @KamataMusik
    @KamataMusik 10 лет назад +35

    I assume it was empty.

    • @hltibbs
      @hltibbs 9 лет назад +4

      Empty and probably nearly empty for fuel.

  • @SahirSiddiqui
    @SahirSiddiqui 10 лет назад

    Beautiful aircraft, and great HD video!

  • @tbird209
    @tbird209 11 лет назад

    Stunning video! Cheers from Boston.

  • @villeauvinen747
    @villeauvinen747 11 лет назад

    Amazing catch!!

  • @JelmersAviation
    @JelmersAviation 11 лет назад

    WoooooooooW what a amazing video!!! Well done!!

  • @Airline656
    @Airline656 11 лет назад

    Nice man that was Awesome!!!

  • @Super_Natural_Power
    @Super_Natural_Power 3 года назад

    The most handsome passenger aircraft ever made !!!

  • @FootAndFly
    @FootAndFly 11 лет назад

    GREAT!! love this video!! ;)

  • @bittyrock
    @bittyrock 6 лет назад

    Amazing Video.

  • @Vee6watchman
    @Vee6watchman 2 года назад

    1995-97, SZB Int'l Airport: an empty 747-400 freighter (Japan Airlines) performed a short field take off & it sounded like holding take off thrust before brakes release.
    Cool night with a storm approaching.
    If memory serves me, the take off run was a mite shorter than this one & it climbed away steeper into the cloud base than any 747 I'd seen before.

  • @VideoMyLifeLLC
    @VideoMyLifeLLC 10 лет назад

    Very cool. Beautiful aircraft. Thanks for sharing!

  • @88hheKIAHSpotting
    @88hheKIAHSpotting 10 лет назад

    Awesome takeoff and climb

  • @oliverdots
    @oliverdots 11 лет назад

    OMG that was about a 20 second run up. The power of those engines!!

  • @vegasjill21
    @vegasjill21 9 лет назад +13

    WoW!! That was like 20 seconds!! When I flew to Maui on a fully loaded 737 IT TOOK FOREVER to get off the ground!!! I was so scared I shouted "Oh NO!! We're too heavy!!" (What an idiot! lol) But that scared the crap out of me!! And I REALLY REALLY wanted to see Maui!!
    Oh yea. PS And when it DID finally lift off, I could feel it pulling back down til it finally got enough air under it! Man, THAT was really scary! I don't like that feeling on a roller coaster, either, you know...when your stomach just drops.....?

    • @reconx86
      @reconx86 9 лет назад

      hahaha your comment made my day XD. I had similiar experiences landing at St Maarten in a B747 not knowing the runway started at a beach, I was looking outside the window seeing nothing but sea and fish, I was like WTF, we gonna crash!!! And the take off was pretty much like yours, we kept falling and falling, kept losing lift... It was terrible, it was my first flight ever (11 years old), now I know better, lol... But that's some funny shit

    • @vegasjill21
      @vegasjill21 9 лет назад

      reconx86 Aww! That must have been scary for you!! Yea I'm sure you weren't checking out YT videos to see that the planes land right over the BEACH ! I couldn't believe it the first time I saw it on YT! And I've never been in an aircraft THAT big but it's all scary when you feel your stomach drop out!! o_O
      You were so young to get to go to St Maarten but I hope you have some great memories!! What a beautiful place. (I saw it on YT. lol) Take care. XD

    • @oliscouser
      @oliscouser 9 лет назад

      Why has your comment got loads of "A" in it?

    • @vegasjill21
      @vegasjill21 9 лет назад

      oliscouser If I knew what your "A" stood for, I might be able to tell you.

    • @ramielhussein
      @ramielhussein 9 лет назад +1

      vegasjill21 I think oliscuser was referring to CAPS

  • @valentinapostolov8828
    @valentinapostolov8828 9 лет назад

    Beauty and the beast in one body!

  • @spookygmd3745
    @spookygmd3745 9 лет назад

    That DC-10 is amazing. :D

  • @ThatBearHasMoxie
    @ThatBearHasMoxie 10 лет назад

    Wow. That was an early rotation!

  • @chittagong1234
    @chittagong1234 10 лет назад

    very cool- nice video-

  • @PlaneSpottingBerlin
    @PlaneSpottingBerlin 11 лет назад

    Nice catch!!!
    Like it!!

  • @SamiAsim
    @SamiAsim 11 лет назад +10

    It's not the pilots fault.. but The head wind made the aircraft to puush-up quickly and yeah Emirates is the BEST!!!

    • @angela1984a
      @angela1984a 3 года назад +1

      Emirates is owned by a Military Dictator.

    • @davidmarkus3594
      @davidmarkus3594 3 года назад +1

      @@angela1984a 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @davidmarkus3594
      @davidmarkus3594 3 года назад

      Whos the military dictator?? 🤣🤣🤣

    • @angela1984a
      @angela1984a 3 года назад

      @@davidmarkus3594 Let's see if you can guess? Here: I'll give you some help. (Can not believe that is actually necessary...) freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates/freedom-world/2020
      www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51756984
      www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/kidnapping-case-what-happened-to-sheikh-mohammeds-daughters

    • @davidmarkus3594
      @davidmarkus3594 3 года назад +2

      @@angela1984a 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 All Bs i live here and all of the 200 nationalities here live a very nice SAFE NO CRIME lifestyle, your liberal crap no one cares for in the UAE. Especially the westeners like myself who live good lifestyles here with NO CRIME sorry did i say that already

  • @Aviatorspot
    @Aviatorspot 9 лет назад

    Great catch of takeoff!

  • @ldl9280
    @ldl9280 9 лет назад

    Sweet!
    Some of those giant birds (AFR A340 & KLM B744) at SXM (Princess Julianna, St Maartens), even with somewhat full pax will purposely depart with almost fumes-only tanks just to make that required sharp right-hand departure. Then they land at some island airport like Pt-a-Pitre to fill the tanks for the long return to their Europe airport (CDG or AMS, respectively).
    With proper trim for a smooth lift off, without tail striking, those experienced big-birders know how to do it right (and probably humming till after they've well on their way).
    Those freight cowboys (dont know any air freight cowgals) are really crazy. I remember seeing a UPS 74F pilot make a short 180 degree on to short approach KPHL 27L. I couldnt believe my luck seeing that. Those were pre-cellphone & I dont recall seeing any of those large Bolex cams near me. I certainly didnt have mine with me. The FAA agent I was chatting with was high-fiving me with our good fortune to witness that feat. He is stationed at KPHL and told me that was his first 744 180 short approach landing view. We were like two kids watching some airplane acrobatic. It was wonderful! I was hoping there werent any other breathing critters, like horses or someone's neurotic kitty), aboard that UPS roller coaster.
    In this capture it is too bad the videographer didnt have a wind-suppressor on his mic.
    Great vid however.

  • @SmokeyGoodness
    @SmokeyGoodness 10 лет назад

    Excellent camera work!

  • @hayprofilms
    @hayprofilms 8 лет назад

    Flipping Heck thats amazing!

  • @belindanaish5413
    @belindanaish5413 3 года назад

    You Can't Bet The Boeing 747's Beautiful Planes

  • @Holland.Aviation
    @Holland.Aviation 8 лет назад

    I love that thing! ✈️

  • @hugoguerrero3493
    @hugoguerrero3493 6 лет назад

    Una maravilla ya me toco viajar..con esta aerolinea

  • @jordannet
    @jordannet 9 лет назад +63

    is it possible ? yes , if airplane is not loaded , first this is not passenger airplane so there are no seats to add extra weight for airplane , so we can not judge until we know the configuration and weight and fuel weight , but generally its possible if we supposed that weight with zero fuel is 224.5 ton , the normal takeoff speed of boeing 747-400 is 160 knt , depending on newton laws its require 900meter to gain rotation speed , but in all cases rotation speed depends on weight and temp and altitude pressure of airport , and because we have no information about all of these we can not judge , but in my point yes its possible

    • @jordannet
      @jordannet 9 лет назад +1

      雪女神 thrust rating depends on type of engine 747 uses 3 types of engines 2 roles royes and 1 GE , each one generate different thrust

    • @abdihodaan
      @abdihodaan 9 лет назад

      Engine testing perhaps

    • @Duskyness123
      @Duskyness123 9 лет назад +7

      You forgot about wind. There was probably a very strong headwind

    • @flaviusnita6008
      @flaviusnita6008 9 лет назад

      Duskyness123
      Right! No surprise at all.

    • @greghanson9634
      @greghanson9634 9 лет назад

      P
      A

  • @sib1981
    @sib1981 12 лет назад

    Nice one!

  • @JackMartin100
    @JackMartin100 11 лет назад

    Thats insane!

  • @prashkota
    @prashkota 9 лет назад +1

    Awesome :))

  • @Hamburgspotters
    @Hamburgspotters 9 лет назад

    Wow that was really really short! Liked!

    • @jkiang
      @jkiang 9 лет назад +1

      That's NOT what she said. OK I'll go back in hiding..

  • @Geoffr524
    @Geoffr524 8 лет назад

    Even though, this plane was almost empty, with a small fuel load, and a strong head-wind, it still reminded me of the crazy National Airlines 747 crash. That 747, had a heavy load, that became unsecured, then stalled out.

    • @fahdpilouze8512
      @fahdpilouze8512 8 лет назад

      that was another storie it carried tank onboard and one of them streched out of cables and got unbalanced wich stalled the plane right after it took off , and here we see an empty 747 ( newest model) and powerful engines and strong head-wind , if he didn't do that he will stress the wings and it may crash

  • @20mseanb07
    @20mseanb07 11 лет назад

    Even so, that's still pretty cool that a 747 could perform such a short TO

  • @mikelembo6657
    @mikelembo6657 10 лет назад +6

    It was probably nearly empty and you can tell there was a strong head wind.

  • @nelaballishamsunderreddy140
    @nelaballishamsunderreddy140 9 лет назад

    Great and very nice.

  • @PearsonSpotterCYYZ
    @PearsonSpotterCYYZ 10 лет назад +8

    you cant say he took off early the plane was probrably light giving it a shorter take off roll

  • @luwa.
    @luwa. 11 лет назад

    Amazing

  • @nipponhouseplayer
    @nipponhouseplayer 7 лет назад

    Cool!

  • @hajroller88
    @hajroller88 11 лет назад

    That was quick rotation but then again its a 747 baby. The best ever built.

  • @signalorangers2k
    @signalorangers2k 9 лет назад +6

    Low load, low fuel, and a strong headwind all helped get that plane airborne quickly. Impressive performance.

  • @andrewanane9715
    @andrewanane9715 8 лет назад

    wow!! 747 is a great plane

  • @joepleijendeckers3718
    @joepleijendeckers3718 9 лет назад

    at Maastricht airport (EHBK) we have cargolux unloading at EHBK from their flight from south america , and then flying back to luxembourgh (ELLX) empty. so they also take off that quickly

  • @bartspeet930
    @bartspeet930 8 лет назад

    Nice climb out, by the way! @ 2:39 you see the clouds due to low pressure above the wings, cool!

  •  11 лет назад

    Awesome.....

  • @CaptainMarkA320
    @CaptainMarkA320 11 лет назад

    wow... very nice vid..
    super short take off run even with engine takeoff thrust reduction

  • @markyk1970
    @markyk1970 11 лет назад

    Empty...nice catch !

  • @shivajivythi7307
    @shivajivythi7307 3 года назад

    Magnificent giant ❤

  • @robertanderson1907
    @robertanderson1907 8 лет назад

    Exactly as per the notes. Commercial pilots don't "hot dog" or (literally) "wing it". V1 and V2 are carefully calculated - before takeoff - based on prevailing conditions. Weight makes and enormous difference. The 767-300 I took from Vancouver to Maui needed a huge takeoff run due to the 6 hour flight time (=lots of fuel). The 767-300 I took from Toronto to Halifax (1.5 hour flight time) literally lept off the runway. It's all relative...

  • @momoila
    @momoila 9 лет назад

    good job for the pilot :)

  • @rajbhagwani6811
    @rajbhagwani6811 5 лет назад

    For the first time I'm seeing a 747 with emirates
    I'm surprised:)

  • @leifvejby8023
    @leifvejby8023 8 лет назад

    That was impressive, almost like a DC9 Sport! (DC9 - 21).

  • @lazerbeam608
    @lazerbeam608 11 лет назад

    For some reason I just don't want to believe it. Haha. Awesome takeoff!!!

  • @cyclonicleo
    @cyclonicleo 11 лет назад

    Yep, it was empty, a short flight and strong headwinds. Pretty awesome to see too!

  • @albareis
    @albareis 11 лет назад

    Just perfect... :)

  • @retiredafce3373
    @retiredafce3373 9 лет назад

    That was insane.

  • @pilotaboodi5540
    @pilotaboodi5540 11 лет назад

    good eng and good wing

  • @allenarzobal3037
    @allenarzobal3037 8 лет назад

    Emirates is the best aircraft I ever saw

  • @Bajangrrl01
    @Bajangrrl01 9 лет назад

    Like a homesick angel....

  • @bigtone718
    @bigtone718 11 лет назад

    i counted about 14 or 15 seconds from full thrust to actual rotation,that is freaking incredible for such a large machine!!SMFH!!

  • @DrAswaj
    @DrAswaj 11 лет назад

    Beauty~

  • @hectorzambrano4092
    @hectorzambrano4092 6 лет назад

    A320's my fav, but this bird is too impressive to look away

  • @xpfs77
    @xpfs77 9 лет назад

    I wonder whats the irk noise is when the elevator was lifted up.. (V1 Rotate) Someone please.. tq

  • @jellevedder7019
    @jellevedder7019 11 лет назад

    Awsome

  • @hungn8384
    @hungn8384 9 лет назад

    a beautiful machine

  • @homerfry9234
    @homerfry9234 7 лет назад +20

    If no part of the aircraft hit the ground it was not early

    • @Antonluisre
      @Antonluisre 7 лет назад +2

      Homer Fry
      Tower: [callsing], confirm massive tailstrike on the rwy?
      Crew: Positive, continuing intentions normally.
      Tower: oke.
      (FSX In a nutshell)

  • @user-pn3ix7ws1v
    @user-pn3ix7ws1v 6 лет назад

    拍得好好看

  • @mark_osborne
    @mark_osborne 11 лет назад

    Love these old ships they were the hot-rods of the airways... 190 some thousand horsepower as I recall

  • @jlsully5734
    @jlsully5734 11 лет назад

    The air cargo 747 lifted off right as it rotated so it did not rotate too soon. How to tell if a jet rotates too soon?? If it's drags the tail and goes off the end of the runway.

  • @tambocha
    @tambocha 9 лет назад

    Nice. I'm sure it's empty, but still cool to watch.

  • @serhatgun01
    @serhatgun01 9 лет назад

    weight of airplane, style of take off(short field--engines seems to be powering while staionary) plus strong head wind... as you can observe from the windsock...peace out

  • @marioschmitz4875
    @marioschmitz4875 Год назад

    Das ist mein Heimat Flughafen Düsseldorf da kommen gute Erinnerungen auf da war die Terrasse am Fernbahnhof noch offen sehr gut gemachtes Video

  • @123Myluci
    @123Myluci 9 лет назад

    Yes Moeen I agree. the weight factor is a key point. And probably decides it.

  • @TutanchamonX
    @TutanchamonX 10 лет назад

    Very light and, as you can tell from the grass, a strong headwind = very short takeoff

  • @juliannortheast2271
    @juliannortheast2271 5 лет назад

    Amazing engine sounds taxing and very early rotation takeoff unbelievable

  • @tjfSIM
    @tjfSIM 11 лет назад

    Yes, winglets are sometimes retrofitted to earlier models, but you can still tell a -400 by the blended wing root fairings (and slightly bigger wingspan).

  • @BeemerTwelve
    @BeemerTwelve 11 лет назад

    You're right, In fact it says -400F right above the pitot tubes, it's cleary visible @1:17. I've seen freighters with the stretched upper deck although they may well be ex-passengers converted. But I think the winglets are sometimes retrofitted, I don't know if that's an option on a 747.