Remember Doctor Who's Sexy Vampires?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2021
  • It's that spooky time of year again and what's more fitting for the Halloween season than vampires! ...well, they're certainly not spooky in the Doctor Who Series 5 episode 'The Vampires of Venice' So what makes this episode so...fishy? Well, let's find out.
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  • @HarboWholmes
    @HarboWholmes  2 года назад +26

    Eveyy time someone points out I said Rosanna wrong, you're legally obligated to donate to my Patreon:
    www.patreon.com/harbowholmes

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад

      Hey Harbo! Looking forward to your thoughts on Amy's Choice next week and then Vincent & the Doctor later on! 🥰

    • @PwnZombie
      @PwnZombie 2 года назад +1

      Every time Harbo gets horny over a dominant woman, a puppy dies

    • @lazulenoc6863
      @lazulenoc6863 2 года назад +1

      @@PwnZombie That's a lot of dead puppies.

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад +1

      I don’t like that you associated the episode with Incels , that’s was unfair , I’m not in the Incel community and I loved it before Incels was even a thing , this is from 2010. If you think it’s sexist and all that then just say so , I littlery feel bad now for enjoying it so much over the years , this is one of my Favourite Dr who episodes of all time and your opinion on it has me at the Unsub button. This is the first time I’ve disagreed with your take on an Episode. The Reason I love Doctor who is because of its humor

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад

      @mark i loved Victory of the Daleks (not the redsign) but the episode was really good.

  • @elliotcrossan6290
    @elliotcrossan6290 2 года назад +206

    Harbo: criticises Moffat for writing with one hand down his trousers
    Also Harbo: *STEP ON ME*

    • @HiperPivociarz
      @HiperPivociarz 2 года назад +9

      I feel there's a big difference between what Moff does and what Harbo does.

    • @elliotcrossan6290
      @elliotcrossan6290 2 года назад +24

      @@HiperPivociarz yeah I know :P just teasing

    • @HiperPivociarz
      @HiperPivociarz 2 года назад +5

      @@elliotcrossan6290 I assumed
      Just checking

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад +1

      yes ;)

    • @smkfet
      @smkfet Год назад

      @@HiperPivociarz True, but Moff can only work with what God gave him

  • @PathsUnwritten
    @PathsUnwritten 2 года назад +188

    DOCTOR: ...she kissed me.
    RORY: And you kissed her back.
    DOCTOR: No. I kissed her mouth.
    Best line of the episode.

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад +195

    I love the way Amy happily declares the Doctor & Rory as "her boys," and Rory is the one who tries to deny it while the Doctor accepts it no problem. Idk, I just always thought that was really cute, and worked as a nice little hint to their later development as a time-travelling trio. 😆

  • @intergalactic92
    @intergalactic92 2 года назад +82

    I remember actually quite liking this one at the time. The concept behind the vampires is fine, it’s perfectly valid sci-fi twist, where an alien through its use of a dodgy perception filter and drying out in sunlight (because it’s a fish) appears like a vampire, but it does fall down when you consider that there are already actual vampires in Doctor Who lore. Rory is great, and vastly improves the TARDIS dynamic. But now you mention it I am struggling to think of anything else I really liked about it……

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 6 месяцев назад

      Two species of vampire already. This is the third. Not to mention that blood sucker in Smith and Jones that uses a straw; does that make four?

  • @alexpotts6520
    @alexpotts6520 2 года назад +137

    The "love triangle" trope is extremely played out; the "choosing between boring and exciting partners" trope has also been done to death. But I can't think of another instance of this in fiction where one of the prospective love interests actively wants the other one to be chosen over themselves. It's a refreshing spin on a familiar concept.

    • @sentientwaffle535
      @sentientwaffle535 2 года назад +21

      Definitely should not be done when two members are literally about to be married, though

    • @magoo9866
      @magoo9866 2 года назад +6

      Only other thing I can think of is in Back to the Future when Marty wanted Lorraine to fall in love with George

    • @tobylerone4285
      @tobylerone4285 2 года назад +6

      @@sentientwaffle535 why not? It made her an interesting character, and made complete sense in the context of her relationship with the Doctor. Plus a woman who’s very much in control of her sexuality is a great thing to see

    • @charliecowan9758
      @charliecowan9758 2 года назад +13

      @@tobylerone4285 It’s not really complete sense, he was a childhood ‘imaginary’ friend that she interacted with for 1 night. Whereas Rory and Amy grew up together, they were great friends, they got together and eventually got together then engaged. She not only tries to pretend he doesn’t exist for the first part of this season but she also tends to ignore or insult him. Her being in control of her sexuality is a good thing, however in the episode previous to this she did sexually assault the doctor. The concept of her being attracted to the doctor does work but the immediate disregard for anything else, including the doctor’s feelings, comes off as either very forced or as the character being mishandled.

    • @anubis7457
      @anubis7457 Год назад +3

      @@tobylerone4285 A woman who is willing to cheat on her fiance isn’t a great thing to see, nor is it a woman “in control of her sexuality.” That’s a person who lets their sexuality control them.

  • @lucypreece7581
    @lucypreece7581 2 года назад +24

    Also this episode keeps up the continuity of the cracks in time but does it in a more subtle way. When the sky is changing back from dark to blue and the clouds are moving for a brief blink and you'll miss it second the clouds form the crack in time crooked smile shape

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 2 года назад +4

      Wait I never noticed that!!

  • @user-yg4tr5fp3s
    @user-yg4tr5fp3s 2 года назад +59

    Series 5, and the Moffat era in general, is so weird to me. It continually fluctuates between really good episodes and absolutely terrible ones. Makes it really hard to decide how to feel about it lol. I love a lot of the characters though, which was the only thing motivating me to keep watching at points.

    • @matthewparker9276
      @matthewparker9276 2 года назад +11

      Yeah, Moffat era reached really high highs, but it lacked the consistancy of RTD era.
      I still probably prefer Moffat era though.

    • @user-yg4tr5fp3s
      @user-yg4tr5fp3s 2 года назад +2

      @@matthewparker9276 I personally prefer RTD overall, though nostalgia probably plays a role in that. When it comes to Moffat's era, I've honestly come to like it a lot more on reflection. When I first watched it, I couldn't enjoy it fully because I was still so attached to how DW had been before. After some time to move on, I was a lot more able to just enjoy the fun of it, despite the flaws. Plus, since I know the overarching plot I can just skip straight to the good episodes lol

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад +2

      Just like the classic Series.

    • @tobylerone4285
      @tobylerone4285 2 года назад +5

      @@matthewparker9276 I’ve actually realised that a lot of my absolute favourite episodes are written by Russell, but so are a lot of my least favourite. Moffat to me ranges from excellent but not perfect to fun but flawed, whereas RTD resembles a hack when he’s not firing on all cylinders (ahem *love and monsters* ahem *the end of time* ahem)

    • @magoo9866
      @magoo9866 2 года назад +2

      Love and monsters is one of my fave eps, concept wise it's pretty unique in not featuring either the Doctor or the companion, and seeing it from someone else's pov

  • @baconwithmoreeggs7938
    @baconwithmoreeggs7938 2 года назад +22

    Looking back I can see now that Amy isn’t a good person and her relationship with Rory was all that was going for her.
    My second favourite was the 9th and 10th doctors first companion, but looking back that might just have been ‘Rose-tinted glasses’

  • @GordonHorneOfficial
    @GordonHorneOfficial 2 года назад +28

    Say what you like about this episode, but you can’t deny Helen McCrory is absolutely brilliant in it. 🙂

    • @TheLovablekc
      @TheLovablekc 2 года назад +3

      May she rest in peace x

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад +1

      Yes she was , sexy, seductive and intimidating , but I love the entire episode and the humour is fantastic int the whole thing

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 2 года назад

      "Step on me" -Harbo Wholmes, 2021

  • @108asf
    @108asf 2 года назад +34

    I can't remember where i read it, but it goes like this:
    Season 2 is a bad season full of good episodes and season 5 is a good season full of bad episodes

    • @tobylerone4285
      @tobylerone4285 2 года назад +4

      I don’t know if I’d ever describe season 2 as full of good episodes; everything aside from the impossible planet/the Satan pit, school reunion and girl in the fireplace is pretty average. Meanwhile every episode in season 5 is good except the chibnalls

    • @secondarygumby319
      @secondarygumby319 2 года назад +2

      Harbo said that in his season 2 overall review

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 2 года назад +2

      Honestly I think season 2 had worse bad episodes than season 5, most of the "bad" episodes in this season feel meh at worst imo but I pretty much agree with the sentiment lol

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 22 дня назад

      @@alim.9801 wrong

  • @user-fu7zf4ck9z
    @user-fu7zf4ck9z 2 года назад +10

    This was actually my first episode I watched. My mother loved Matt Smith's outfit, while I thought the fish aliens very goofy as hell. Before I know anything about the show, I assumed the whole show was set in Venice with time travelers being stuck there lmao. Thankfully I was wrong and kept watching a few more season 5 episodes. My father then bought the first two series on DVD and to this day, Series 1 and 2 are my favorite Doctor Who seasons of all time. Those early RTD episodes were the perfect mixture of Classic and Modern Doctor Who

  • @tobylerone4285
    @tobylerone4285 2 года назад +76

    I’ve never understood the hate for this one, it does a lot of things so well. establishes the doctor’s fraught ideological dynamic with rory, which in turn feeds into Amy’s choice (easily the best episode of the series) and her eventual decision to join rory in the past. Substantiates the threat of the silence by making Helen Mcrory scared of them. Helen Mcrory… she’s just amazing, RIP. Matt Smith gets to flex his comedic muscles, but also gets some potent dramatic moments (sometimes intermingled; “I’m a time lord; you’re a big fish. think of the children”). The side characters, while thinly drawn, are very well performed. Plus it’s got a big goofy finale that for me absolutely works. 8/10 it’s such a laugh while not neglecting the character work necessary for the overarching series

  • @saoirsedeltufo7436
    @saoirsedeltufo7436 2 года назад +45

    Not defending this but side characters just turning up to give exposition and then being killed off and not remarked on is pretty standard Doctor Who at this point... also it's fun looking at the difference of sowing the seeds of moons and planets being lost in the Tennant era which seems background and then comes around to have a big meaning, and the Smith era EVERYTHING IS BECAUSE OF THE SILENCE REMEMBER THE SILENCE which is about as unsubtle as it possibly could be

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад +5

      The whole "bees" thing is no so subtle.

    • @DrTimes99
      @DrTimes99 2 года назад +5

      The difference is no one (audience) cared that planets and moons were missing. When the finale happened it was like "Oh that's cool how Davies tied that in." With Moffat, at least I, wanted to know more about the Silence. "What was it? What does it mean? I need to watch the next episode to find out." It's not meant to be subtle, it's JJ Abrams' mystery box

    • @timelord2024
      @timelord2024 Год назад

      @@DrTimes99 apologists

  • @janoschw2895
    @janoschw2895 2 года назад +11

    The question after this essay is: does harby like what we do in the shadows?

  • @nightowl8477
    @nightowl8477 2 года назад +17

    All vampires are sexy. Especially the Hammar stuff, but even the source material. Sexuality is a key part of Dracula'a story; biting in the bedroom.

    • @the-scamp
      @the-scamp 2 года назад

      That's your opinion

    • @nightowl8477
      @nightowl8477 2 года назад +6

      @@the-scamp - an opinion backed up by a century and a half's worth of academic research. Still an opinion, yes.

    • @Ben-vf5gk
      @Ben-vf5gk 2 года назад +1

      @@nightowl8477 oh man, Najawin would be so proud of you right now

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад +1

      But why does Hasbro here say that the story is only enjoyed by Incels or sounds like it was written by Incels

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 6 месяцев назад

      Being sexy is part of their M.O.; they seduce their victims in order to bite them, so they represent the danger of giving in to temptation.

  • @rhodrage
    @rhodrage 2 года назад +20

    I'll give them this. 11 did with Amy what 10 should have done with Rose.

  • @Ben-vf5gk
    @Ben-vf5gk 2 года назад +17

    Smith's really interesting here (aside from a horrible bit where he gets up in Rory's face and then smiles as if to say "just kidding bro"). He lies to Rory about the circumstances in which Amy kissed him, cause he kinda knows that the number he did on her as a kid has effected her relationships.
    Rory's decent here too. The bit where he calls out the Dr makes much sense than the monologues Danny would do about soldiers and officers in S8.

    • @nightowl8477
      @nightowl8477 2 года назад

      I dunno, still weird that Rory's already worked the Doctor out. Not just that, but how confident he is in his assessment. I like to think it's more of a sly judgement on Amy, knowing she likes to take risks. Surely that's the only thing that could pull her away from her wedding? It's not the best, I have to make stretches to be happy.

    • @Ben-vf5gk
      @Ben-vf5gk 2 года назад

      @@nightowl8477 He has already had one adventure with the Doctor. He has been watching Amy around him for almost two episodes. I think you can extrapolate something from that amount of time. Whereas Danny literally only found out that the Dr was an alien one scene before he starts his monologuing

    • @nightowl8477
      @nightowl8477 2 года назад

      @@Ben-vf5gk - *grob*

    • @mrdr0161
      @mrdr0161 2 года назад

      @@nightowl8477 but he can already see the difference in Amy. He'd probably only seen her earlier that day and the Amy he knows now is a different person

  • @NankitaBR
    @NankitaBR 2 года назад +25

    They could have simply lost the entire "school" part of the thing and it would make a lot more sense. In that time it was unfortunately very common for poor people to sell their children to aristocrats 1)because they couldn't afford to keep feeding that child and that child made less money for the family then the cost to feed, house and dress them; and 2)because very often this children faced a future even worse than becoming a servant in a rich house of they stayed with their parents. So it made sense for this parents to sell their kids and by consequence ending up losing all contact with those kids, but losing contact after just sending them to school makes no sense at all.

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад +2

      But the school was to lure the girls as kidnapping them would raise too much suspicion and they were Living in our past wich would not be kind to fish creature from space so they have to hide

  • @fadikhoory5350
    @fadikhoory5350 2 года назад +11

    Bringing Helen McCrory in this episode would be like casting Judi Dench as the Rani(by the way, Dench was considered to be in some 80s Who).

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад

      But Helen MacCrory is incredibly attractive and that helps

  • @entertain7us148
    @entertain7us148 2 года назад +20

    The weirdest thing about Amy and Rorys relationship is … I NEVER get the sense that Amy loves him. She never has a moment where she actually apologises for cheating in this episode - Rory just fights the fish boy and Amy kisses him and that’s presented as the moment they’re cool again, which incidentally frames Rory as the one in need of Amy’s approval…

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад +2

      She love him, in the same way Lois loves Hal in Malcolm in The Middle.

    • @mrdr0161
      @mrdr0161 2 года назад

      Yeah that's only really explored in the next episode

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад

      It’s revealed in The Season 6 opened that she does love him

    • @entertain7us148
      @entertain7us148 2 года назад +2

      @@DaraGaming42 lmao, yes, we do later understand that she loves him, I should have clarified that right up until a few hours before her wedding she is kind of embarrassed by him and doesn’t care about him??? What the hell is that about? I would never want to be engaged to someone who treated me like that.

    • @tobylerone4285
      @tobylerone4285 2 года назад +4

      @@entertain7us148 she’s not embarrassed by him outright, she’s uncomfortable with the hero of her childhood meeting the pragmatic reality of her present. Rory isn’t just a placeholder, but it’s inevitable that she would question wether he is, whether he was just someone to keep her occupied until the doctor came back around. Is that good behaviour? No, but it’s compelling and understandable, and crucially is resolved by the time she leaves. We need more companions who make the wrong decisions for the right reasons

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад +6

    I always forget that the fish vampire creatures in this episode were led by Narcissa Malfoy. 😅

  • @alexpotts6520
    @alexpotts6520 2 года назад +29

    One thing that I'm not a fan of is Doctor Who trying to give scientific justification for the existence of folkloric monsters ("they're really aliens!") It sucked in Tooth & Claw and it sucks here. And it's especially weird considering the amount of suspension of disbelief the show normally requires. Why can't actual vampires exist?

    • @hothemeep1219
      @hothemeep1219 2 года назад +3

      You don't understand a fundamental aspect of the show. The fact that Doctor Who is using what we know of the universe and science ; and what we don't know, explaining the magic, the supernatural, the impossible by "science" ; that's what they did since almost the beginning of the show

    • @marcino457
      @marcino457 2 года назад +3

      @@hothemeep1219 aight, but can't they just be mutants or beings from another dimension or some ancient, long forgotten, race? Why does it always have to be aliens?

    • @hothemeep1219
      @hothemeep1219 2 года назад +8

      @@marcino457 you do realise that every creature who does not live on Earth is an alien right? That's what the word means, a foreigner, not someone from earth. A creature from an other dimension IS an alien too

    • @alexpotts6520
      @alexpotts6520 2 года назад

      @@hothemeep1219 I'm not sure that "it's aliens" is a satisfying "scientific" explanation of vampires. If anything, imagining aliens disguising themselves as vampires is a bigger leap of faith than just imagining vampires.

    • @hothemeep1219
      @hothemeep1219 2 года назад +3

      @@alexpotts6520 I'm not saying it's a satisfying way to do it, I'm just explaining to you how the show tends to explain the origins of myths and ancient creatures. By rationalizing what is irrational, by making us believe the unbelievable through science. If you don't like it, fine, but it's a fundamental element of the show, this link between science and magic. Of course it's not our science, it's ""science"", that's also what the show is good at, making us believe that it's "science" is accurate and realistic.
      Doctor Who is like the other side of tv shows like The Twilight Zone. The
      Twilight Zone would introduced supernatural elements to it's stories, without explaining it. Doctor Who does the opposite, whereas The Twilight Zone used the supernatural as magic, Doctor Who uses it as only unknown science, a good example of that is the story The Daemons, a 3rd Doctor's story broadcasted in 1971. In Dr Who, everything is science and it can be magic in very rare moments (like Midnight). In some way, Doctor Who is an answer to The Twilight Zone

  • @mayotango1317
    @mayotango1317 2 года назад +6

    Considering that the Time Lords have fought the Great Vampires for centuries, it is understandable that the Doctor has a disdain for bloodsuckers. In many audios, comics and books they show the Doctor hating Vampires.

  • @tbh285
    @tbh285 2 года назад +3

    The showrunner will rewrite and change almost all elements of guest writers' scripts - so this is mostly down to Moffat, not Whithouse.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад

      But the Doctor hates to vampires is canon.

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад +7

    Ah yes, my first 11th Doctor episode, and the one that initially gave my mom in particular a bad impression of Matt Smith's iteration after we had just come off of David Tennant's run (whom we both loved), especially since our first scene was him bossing around his companions with that whole "What do I keep you guys around here for if you don't notice my brilliance?" bit. But with more episodes we came to better appreciate him down the line. 😊✨

    • @jackzimmy8461
      @jackzimmy8461 2 года назад +6

      Smith just didn’t have the gravitas to pull that off. When Capaldi had a line like that, you’d kinda chuckle, because it was like watching your overworked dad blundering into a tense situation. Smith just sounded like a spoiled kid. I don’t think he ever shook that youthfulness despite bounding from strength to strength. Moffat wanted an older Eleventh Doctor and it shows a lot in Season Five.

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад

      @@jackzimmy8461 Agreed. 👏

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад +2

      @@jackzimmy8461 I think that is the point, he was smug not gravitas.

    • @akikom1331
      @akikom1331 2 года назад +1

      I felt the same! I think I came around to Smith once River was a big part of his story.

    • @jackzimmy8461
      @jackzimmy8461 2 года назад +1

      @Tristan Lane He almost did. It’s been speculated that he went entirely the other way as not to risk the sex appeal of the show, but Paterson Joseph, Sean Pertwee and Peter Capaldi were being discussed long before Smith took the role.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 2 года назад +1

    Clara was supposed to be turned into a vampire during the Capaldi era in an unmade episode penned by Paul Cornell set around the Highgate Graveyard

  • @kiebahow442
    @kiebahow442 2 года назад +4

    Still more rememberable than series 11.

  • @peterchu5609
    @peterchu5609 2 года назад +3

    My personal interpretation of Rosanna and the crack is that she escaped through it similarly to Prisoner Zero but her world was dying from a different cause. A Doctor Who episode exploring a world where the oceans are drying up would be a cool one, perhaps under RTD?

  • @HiperPivociarz
    @HiperPivociarz 2 года назад +13

    "Weirdly borderline incestuous fish aliens trying to find girlfriends" sounds like a great monster concept to me.
    Then again, I love fish monsters, so I shouldn't speak.

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 2 года назад

      Nah I'm with ya I love fish monsters 😂

  • @drneotech7254
    @drneotech7254 2 года назад +2

    The rain part annoys me because I’ve been to Venice before and when it rains IT RAINS, the rain is so heavy there.
    Hell I had worse rain yesterday in Australia.

  • @undersizemaster2853
    @undersizemaster2853 2 года назад +30

    The Silence isn’t a race, it’s actually a more aggressive branch of the papal mainframe, the same religion we were introduced to in flesh and stone. This branch of the religion comes from the belief that Silence must fall when the question is asked (s6,e13) who’s aim was to kill the doctor before he could answer the question, the question which would bring the time lords back to the universe causing another time war with the daleks and plunging the whole universe into war (The time of the doctor). The Silence aim was to stop this, hence them blowing up the tardis to kill the doctor causing the cracks in time and abducting river song to get her to kill the doctor. This could also be seen in the time of the doctor where the papal mainframe switched to the Silence when the mysterious message coming from trenzalore was deciphered so everyone could hear it, causing them to use any means necessary to keep the silence

    • @CashelOConnolly
      @CashelOConnolly 2 года назад +2

      The Silence are drawn from the imagination of a writer 🙄

    • @jgr2637
      @jgr2637 2 года назад +7

      Except Moffat clearly changed what he meant by the silence as he went

  • @lucypreece7581
    @lucypreece7581 2 года назад +3

    I don't really have much to say about this episode other than RIP Helen McCrory. the two hander scene between her and Smith is amazing. But her performance in this episode is one of the things that stands out and her passing is sad and tragic and she will be missed as she was a fantastic actress n everything she did. My she rest in peace and power and may her loved ones find strength and peace

    • @lucypreece7581
      @lucypreece7581 2 года назад

      @Tristan Lane they carried this whole episode on their backs.

  • @asdatrollys8944
    @asdatrollys8944 2 года назад +1

    “Step on me”
    -Harbo wholmes 2021

  • @ceciliaslepmet4840
    @ceciliaslepmet4840 6 месяцев назад +1

    I don't understand how Rory is a "0" in this episode. Because he's scared of the fish-vampire-alien? Despite his fear he still fight him (with a broom!) to defend Amy. He was being very brave, and i love that about him.

  • @GEORGEGEORGEIII
    @GEORGEGEORGEIII 2 года назад +23

    This episode is a freaking masterpiece compared to the last two years of Chibnall.

  • @dalek3055
    @dalek3055 2 года назад +4

    I think it's pretty obvious which seasons/eras Harbo prefers lol

  • @andalilbitqueer
    @andalilbitqueer Год назад +1

    I cried when Helen McCrory's character died the same way I cried when I saw Sarah Jane and Wilf for the last time when I rewatched those episodes

  • @TheToonMonkey
    @TheToonMonkey 2 года назад +3

    "Believing that vampires would fit the setting perfectly for some reason"...yeah, why in the name of Klaus Kinsky would you ever think that?

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад

      Ooh, what is that alluding to, if I might ask?

    • @TheToonMonkey
      @TheToonMonkey 2 года назад +1

      @@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 'Vampire in Venice' (a.k.a Nosferatu in Venice) staring the aforementioned Mr Kinsky.

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад

      @@TheToonMonkey Oh cool! I didn't know this episode took inspiration from an old movie with a similar(ish) premise but that's really interesting, especially since I've admittedly never heard of that one. I'll have to check it out then.

  • @thomasjohnson8391
    @thomasjohnson8391 2 года назад +1

    The ancient vampires are in the time lord victorious same with the curse of fenric. And in the time lords used werewolves to defeat ancient vampires as well. And next is Amy’s choice

  • @TheLovablekc
    @TheLovablekc 2 года назад +2

    May Helen rest in peace ♥️

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 2 года назад +1

    Funny how Harbo compares the school to (what could've been) something like Suspiria & one of my favorite movie reviewers Ryan Hollinger released an essay on the 1977 & 2018 Suspiria films yesterday. 😉🧧

    • @princeeverlove
      @princeeverlove 2 года назад

      "Suspiria" 1977 Italian Horror...a MasterWork of Cinema

  • @SeanORaigh
    @SeanORaigh 4 месяца назад

    The only part of this episode I actually remembered prior to my rewatch was the "I'm Venetian. I can swim." line for some reason.

  • @ITSMeatMan
    @ITSMeatMan 2 года назад +1

    I remember reading an issue of Doctor Who magazine where Davies and Moffat interviewed each other and Moffat just straight up says he regretted making Amy kiss the doctor.

  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller1440 2 года назад +13

    Series 5 was the start of Doctor Who that made me binge watch every episode back to back. Series 2 was more of a few days or weekly event. Sometimes it felt like a chore. Series 3 started to get interesting without Rose. Series 4 was a daily dose of stories. Love the Moffat era.

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 2 года назад +2

      Series 3 4 and 5 are peak NuWho imo

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 22 дня назад

      👎👎👎👎

  • @BizarreFae
    @BizarreFae Год назад +1

    I really think the school should have been more explored as a concept, I think with it being so early in the season they missed out on the ability to flesh out the story and Rory in the early episode. I like that Rory puts his foot down with the Doctor to make him more aware of the risks that his presence has on the psychology of the people he interacts with. It would have been really beneficial to have the 'vampires' only active at night because it would have given a longer time frame for the episode and shown a greater risk for Amy rather than having her in and out so quickly.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 2 года назад

    It would be really interesting to go through and compare when the Doctor offers mercy to a species to when he doesn’t.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад +1

      Watch State of Decay, the Doctor hate vampires.

  • @ceciliaslepmet4840
    @ceciliaslepmet4840 6 месяцев назад +1

    Not the best but i liked it. I love when Rory "fights" the vampire fish alien and when the Doctor climbs the church (i think?) to save the day.

  • @FabianEllis
    @FabianEllis 2 года назад

    Dang, you make great points about the episode’s flaws. I really liked the episode when I first saw it recently but it seems like it would be worse on rewatches.

  • @jdg9825
    @jdg9825 2 года назад

    to explain the cold open (from tv tropes):- "Originally, the second half of the Cold Open was placed after the opening titles, since the first scene of the episode ends with Isabella screaming, timed to the start of the title theme. However, as stated in the DVD commentary for the episode, the director thought the second scene of the episode (featuring the Doctor at Rory's stag party) ended with the same comedic awkwardness as the following scene, so they placed that second scene as part of the cold open. Luckily, the effect of the first scene's end does transition well into the second scene, so it wasn't a huge loss."

  • @henryam503
    @henryam503 2 года назад

    9:15 I mean Lady D is secretly a wicked great dragon thing underneath and I'd still bonk her so, yes?

  • @TorridPrime217
    @TorridPrime217 2 года назад +1

    Terrible missed opportunity not to make this a 'Shadow Over Innsmouth' type episode. Just imagine if the classic Lovecraft story were re-adapted so that Dagon was transforming people to repopulate his near-extinct his race, and a newcomer character has to cope with the horrifying realization that he/she is one of these monstrous, alien fish-people

  • @the-scamp
    @the-scamp 2 года назад +1

    Amy's boot's drive me crazy in this episode

  • @therealvlad505
    @therealvlad505 3 месяца назад

    I always thought that the vampires of venice was a reference to merchant of venice

  • @HiperPivociarz
    @HiperPivociarz 2 года назад

    The only think I remeber about Guido is him yelling "ISABELLA!"

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 2 года назад

      I liked his Carachter actually

  • @matthewbray764
    @matthewbray764 2 года назад +1

    I think this was the 5th best of the series. I liked the commedic moments, but there are inconsistencies with the fish vampires.

  • @kylecrawford1310
    @kylecrawford1310 2 года назад +1

    Rory < doctor. Rory is a giga chad

  • @jamesalflattsbarkingmadpro3480

    This is still one of my favourites of s5 and new who in general , partly due to the fit characters

  • @acotscohotdog
    @acotscohotdog 2 года назад

    I'd probably have more to say if my brain didn't flatline after seeing Lady D

  • @alim.9801
    @alim.9801 2 года назад

    Trust me, there are people that react to rain like they've never seen it before and it's the end of the world and they go to the store and stock up on canned food and bread and stuff like they're gonna be locked in their house for weeks...just go to Kansas 😂😂

  • @PokemonkaDub
    @PokemonkaDub 2 года назад +4

    If it wasn't for the jumping out of the cake and "bigger than mine" jokes I would've forget about this episode's existance completly.

  • @william...1
    @william...1 2 года назад +1

    11:29 sir i have read enough fan fiction to rebuttal the “straight” quality of his

  • @mattthesilent777RED
    @mattthesilent777RED Год назад

    This one was a little odd, but I do love history so I like it

  • @anonymousnobody326
    @anonymousnobody326 6 месяцев назад +1

    I liked this episode. It’s a typical unremarkable mid-series episode but fun all the same.
    Sometimes it’s nice to just have a fun standalone that doesn’t make your head hurt with lore and interconnected plot.

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 3 месяца назад

      True. Tho this one had lots of lore in it.

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 22 дня назад

      and yet I liked Agatha Christie episode and Idiot's Lantern more than this

  • @headecas
    @headecas 2 года назад

    Wat happened to the runescape transitions?

  • @ProtagonistIvy
    @ProtagonistIvy 2 года назад +1

    When the episode decides to climax, huh? Sorry I'll... I'll go..

  • @AiRsTrIkExXzZ
    @AiRsTrIkExXzZ 2 года назад +1

    Did you mean to make that pun in your title. This is an episode about vampires who suck blood from people

  • @raymond8920
    @raymond8920 2 года назад

    I just watced this the day before this video came out and yes my final thoughts were sexy vampires

  • @julianjames278
    @julianjames278 2 года назад

    R.I.P Helen Mcrory.

  • @johnheneghan5743
    @johnheneghan5743 2 года назад

    Oh god the resident evil 8 jokes

  • @princeeverlove
    @princeeverlove 2 года назад

    Look. Venice. Vampiras in nightgowns....Venice...Vampiras in nightgowns.... what's not to Love?👄

  • @Lizzieaftermidnight
    @Lizzieaftermidnight 2 года назад

    Despite the ending making absolutely no sense, it always freaked me out for some reason.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 2 года назад +2

    Actually before Twilight there was Buffy/Angel.

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 6 месяцев назад

      Before Buffy there was Interview With The Vampire.

  • @HiperPivociarz
    @HiperPivociarz 2 года назад

    9:10 Yuss. Absolutely. I like sushi

  • @NileSWPhotography
    @NileSWPhotography 2 года назад

    Yes. Yes I would.

  • @DanTheMan2150AD
    @DanTheMan2150AD 2 года назад +19

    Doctor Who trying to do sexy vampires… this isn’t Resident Evil, no dommy energy.

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 6 месяцев назад

      Surely missing the key word "again". Doctor Who doing sexy vampires, again!

  • @MunkiZee
    @MunkiZee 2 года назад +1

    I could never bring myself to watch this episode, it's full of fish but where's the hook?

  • @pluviosity
    @pluviosity 2 года назад

    I can imagine it'd be better if the vampires was the classic ancient one instead of a new vampiric alien. It's gonna be a lot darker though. Probably not exactly what Moffat wanted as Rory's introduction to TARDIS life.

  • @emmiebunny04
    @emmiebunny04 10 месяцев назад

    This episode predicted Lady Dimitrescu

  • @Sparx632
    @Sparx632 2 года назад

    I used to not care for this one much but I do enjoy watching it for whatever reason, so I don’t hate this one at all.

  • @user-jn1wm3tb8v
    @user-jn1wm3tb8v 2 года назад

    You mentioned Suspiria???

  • @fish-fingers_and_custard7685
    @fish-fingers_and_custard7685 2 года назад

    Yeah, there's some issues. But I still love this episode so....

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 2 года назад

    wished these vampire was the Great Vampires or revamped plasmavores

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 6 месяцев назад

      Do you mean haemovores? Plasmavore was the one from Smith and Jones who is barely vampire like at all, apart from the blood sucking.

  • @ceciliaslepmet4840
    @ceciliaslepmet4840 6 месяцев назад +1

    This episode isn't really good but i love Rory so i regularly rewatched this one

  • @kalonZombie
    @kalonZombie Месяц назад

    Every time he complains about the lack of calling back to the older iterations of Who, I just want to say "Of course, it's Moffat, he refuses to acknowledge any era except his own".

  • @AzathothTheTrueGod
    @AzathothTheTrueGod 2 года назад

    COLIN ROBERTSON! Best vampire! Besides Cassidy from Preacher.
    I do like the vampires being fish though. Like the Deep Ones.

  • @tardisnet9487
    @tardisnet9487 2 года назад +1

    I like it a lot

  • @leejones8582
    @leejones8582 2 года назад +1

    RIP Helen you were pretty

  • @vladskiobi
    @vladskiobi 2 года назад

    Episodes could be really bad every once in a while during RTD and Moffat's era, true. But at least it's not just bad right the way through like Chibs era.

  • @legendary2553
    @legendary2553 Год назад

    I loved this episode

  • @gussyt1761
    @gussyt1761 2 года назад

    Dammit so many flaws when you pointed it out, Enjoyed this episode when I was young

  • @liborohanka5010
    @liborohanka5010 Год назад

    While I don't like it very much, but I just watched it and then watched this I would say, it isn't so bad. It has good parts and while sunlight is very inconsistent, once completely ignored and another make him explode and Doctor's action about fish people was weird (maybe he doesn't believe they are last? Explanation about loss of their planet was weird. It sound to me, like they simply got lost from their planet and assumed rest died, but maybe I wasn't paying attention enough). There was some emotions with loss of characters. Doctor refugees cooperating because deat of daughter and is angry at Amy and Rory, when they stay against his orders, after father death. That storm at suddenly appeared from tower and somehow grow down in very weird way was scary and villain plan wasn't so bad, if you take into accords, they are basically refugees without much tech and resources. I would give it 6/10. Maybe 5 or 7.

  • @lordbuss
    @lordbuss 2 года назад

    4:30 It is extremely original and interesting decision by itself. Even if I do prefer the continuity of Doctor Who through eras.
    16:55 I think Moffat (or Whithouse) tried to repeat what RTD did with “our species had to escape the Time War”, but didn’t think through the implications. As usual.
    To be honest, I didn’t find the jokes about lady D funny either.

  • @Ben-vf5gk
    @Ben-vf5gk 2 года назад +12

    16:44 Not necessarily. The cracks don't always erase history. In the eleventh hour it was just used as a portal. Her species could have just fallen through or been killed by something that came out of it.
    It's inconsistent but so are most concepts like this in Dr Who and the series is at least upfront about it.

  • @jgr2637
    @jgr2637 2 года назад +1

    I like this episode it's a good standard doctor who episode. However Amy treats everyone around her awfully and never really apologises. She's incredibly horrible at times imo

  • @greglinks
    @greglinks 2 года назад +1

    Thicc vampires, loveleh

  • @jaysonwild4899
    @jaysonwild4899 2 года назад +1

    I guess im just a sucker for vampire girls.

  • @marcuswalters8093
    @marcuswalters8093 2 года назад +3

    There was three times more chemistry between The Doctor and Rosanna in one scene than every scene with The Doctor and River Song.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 года назад

      Because The Eleventh Doctor is the gay friend in the closet Doctor.

    • @timelord2024
      @timelord2024 Год назад

      @@mayotango1317 The Doctor is both omnisexual or asexual depends on the mood but never had any gender preference

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 Год назад

      @@timelord2024 Cof Rose cof

  • @DoctorTardis100
    @DoctorTardis100 2 года назад +1

    In my opinion this episode is the least satisfying episode of this Series. I never rated The Beast Below higher until now. I forgot how many plot holes existed in this Episode.

  • @matthewhenthorn3343
    @matthewhenthorn3343 2 года назад +3

    I only have one criticism and that's you view of the perception filter. It's like having an invisibility spell that "apparently"only hides you from those who are visible. So how do you know that you're invisible?
    The perception filter works on everyone for that same reason, and explains how it became obvious that it was malfunctioning to her son.