Crimson is a native of the Greed ring, meaning Greed is in his nature and that often can cause even intelligent people to make dumb decisions. That's part of why Greed is considered a more dangerous sin than Lust since it causes people to act more violently and more naively in pursuit of wealth and power. Then again considering he's an Imp, Satan is probably the only Sin Crimson Respects/Fears.
Always thought Crimson was smooth brained after someone like Chaz managed to fool him Hell I doubt Ozzie is the weakest, it’s just crimson’s biased belief
We have seen that Crimson is not a sex maniac the way the other demons are, lust doesn't seem to phase him, whereas greed and envy both seem to. So I think, from Crimson's perspective, lust is the weakest because it's the only sin that can't phase him, personally. That being said, we all know that Asmodeus could physically obliterate Crimson into dust.
I think this is mostly a reference to the idea that Lust, as a Sin, is often considered the least damaging of the Seven, seen as a physical Sin, rather than a spiritual one. More a necessary evil, since, without Lust, humanity wouldn't exist.
LOL what do you mean humanity wouldn't exist 😆 Edit: Okay okay, I don't need anymore replies to mine. I wrote this comment out of genuine confusion because 1, not everyone has sex to reproduce (some sexual activities don't even result in pregnancy), 2, some couples aren't cishet (a cis gay couple can't reproduce), and 3, you don't need to "lust" for someone to have a bio child (e.g. some people are on the ace spectrum or someone decided to have a test tube baby). /g
@@0racle.sunrise3570 lust isn't just about love, but ambition. Something we all have and need to a certain degree. It's how we've got here: ambitious people who lust to be greater; to do something great. Then there's also how love works. You can lust for someone, but not to an extreme degree. That's how humanity has got here (although lust back then was DEFINITELY what we consider the extreme version of lust now)
To be considered a weaker sin then the rest must be baffling to hear seeing how he continues to invent and develop more ways for his people to enjoy themselves in the lust ring
My theory is that Sins like Lust, Gluttony, and Sloth are seen as lower, base pleasures while the other four Sins are seen as active threats. There may be some internal hierarchy of the Seven that might be something wholly original to this show. Though it could be that Crimson doesn't know what he is talking about. He did nearly get scammed by Chadwick, after all.
outside of lucifer, all of the sins are likely equal in power to each other, its just some have different temperaments. ozzie is laidback, but I imagine if you did this kind of thing to satan, the whole ring of wrath would slam down into greed.
@@ItsAMaelstromi mean the greed ring did rip off lu lu world that has to say something about how ballsy mammon must be. To actively go against lucifer is crazy even if its just in a lawsuit. Also mammons place is basically the treasurer bros owns money. And self proclaimed him and lucifer are friends over mammon seems more like to schemer someone who has connections and knows his value to why lucifer wouldnt just straight up kill him since lucifer does control the influx of angel weapons since he allows the extermination.
@@jahjah7940agreed, Lucifer and Satan should be the top two no question. Some interpretations have Satan as physically stronger than Lucifer but still lose because Lucifer is more cunning or strategic.The others are just a toss up.
I think it’s meant to be weakness, by Crimson’s standards. Ozzy isn’t prone to violence and has emotional attachments which are things Crimsons doesn’t value. Imp are from Wrath so valuing strength makes sense, Millie’s parents do to but Crimson thrives in the Greed Ring and put nothing above money and his pride not even his wife or son. So Crimson see one of the 7 rulers who prefers
I think it could also be the fact that lust is the sin that seems to affect crimson himself the least. He obviously is very greedy, envious, and wrathful, has some elements of pride, and maybe his 'get rich quick' techniques could be seen as sloth, while his excessive lifestyle could be seen as gluttonous. The only sin he doesn't seem to ever commit at any point being lust
@@participatoroftomfoolery Id also like to input some info I learned: the lust sin is very flexible - its technically extreme desire for something, and it can be for anything such as money, power, and blood (hence bloodlust). So theoretically, he could possibly be even more dangerous should he choose to.
Frankly, I think Crimson was just stating his own idea that Lust isn't as powerful as greed, due to the violence in Greed. Crim seems to think those that choose lust are not capable of violence. We see with Fizzarolli, he's not a violent imp, prefering lust instead, that would support Crim's bias. Also, Crim is aware of Ozzy's fondness for Fizz, and would see that as a weakness to be exploited.
Yeah he had Fizz and knew that Asmodeus wouldn't risk his life and in all seriousness he was acting pretty smart in what he asked for ransom something that would be a major game changer for himself but something that Asmodeus could easily part with
the Lust Ring also seems to be the origin of all the technology in hell, especially considering Ozzie has his own personal workshop where he has spare limbs for Fizz but...to note, Ozzie is described as the weakest sin by Crimson, more likely because he had Fizz as a hostage
Crimson also wanted access to asmodeus factories. I'm guessing that tech is something that's predominant in the lust ring but industry is where lust trully excels in the labs are the middleman for mass production.
I second the idea that the Lust Ring is a spearhead in technological advancement in Hell. It seems like one of the more upper class rings where the Succubu get to live more extravagant life styles compared to other rings, like Wrath or Greed.
I honestly thought that "being the weakest sin" was actually the personification of the concept that "Lust" is the least disruptive or impactful of the seven sins. For example, Dante in his vision puts lustful sinners at the top of the Hell (therefore nearest to God) and gives them the least impactful punishment of all of Hell's rings. He kind of excuses them.
@@tanandalynch9441 this show is an amalgamation of many different hells but seems to be taking the sins power structure or lust at the botten and pride at the top with the others filling in between them
@@asuraofwrath we don't know that. It's implied that wrath is the last ring despite Satan being one of the strongest sins, only outranked by Lucifer and possibly Bee
@@tanandalynch9441 we have elements of the ars goethia , chistian hell and dantes inferno and the placement of the rings seem to have no base for there placements but the sins due clearly have a strict power structure in the group like the ars goetia with stolas near the top and adrealphis and stella being minor nobles and bees most likely weaker the belphiegor the sin of sloth due to her not being able to get there drugs if she had the power to beat belphigor she would just steal the drugs
Honestly when Crimson called Ozzie the weakest Sin, I took it more as the one with the easiest weakness to exploit which a Greed Demon would gladly pounce on. Fizz being so openly in a relationship with Oz is shown and discussed throughout the episode, and Crimson's taunt adds another layer to that.
I don't think anyone who would crumble a tabloid magazine of their relationship, then decided to stuff in in a trash can, hurling that said trash can out from the 100th story of Asmodeus's tower.... would be as open as a princess who just got her pony.
@@DarlingMartyrAsmodeus has a reputation to uphold. It cannot be known that he's actually in love, nobody would take him seriously. Note that in S1E7 titled "Ozzie's" He got on Moxxie's case for singing a love song, but tave hin a second chance to actually include some lust into that. You'd be surprised what someone would do to save a reputation as a badass when in reality they're soft and loving.
Indeed. Crimson's full insult was, "The weakest and most non-threatening of the sins. The king who will do whatever it takes to save the worst kept secret in all of Hell." Therefore, I think that Asmodeus' weakness is in his influence compared to that of the other sins.
My guess is Crimson was referring to Asmodeus having a very blatant and exploitable weakness in the form of Fizzarolli. We have seen from this episode that Fizz is no fighter and had Blitzø not been present, he was likely screwed. The next weakest by that definition would be Beelzabub but unlike Fizz, Tex is a bodyguard and wouldn’t go down without a fight and likely knows how to be aware of his surroundings and hard to ambush. To try and kidnap Charlie and/or Lilith would be in and on itself suicide, to say nothing of what will happen if Lucy finds out. The other Sins likely don’t have any person dear to them, so they are untouchable by isolation.
@@DarlingMartyr fair point, but Crimson still gave Stryker a quest to bring him smt/smn of value before looking out the window. Even if Blitzy was absent, Fizz couldn't be more unsubtle even if he carried a sky beam around. Stryker would have probably found him sooner or later
@@penguinsmovies yes, that's what I said. Bee's weakness would be Tex, but the reason why Ozzie is the weakest and not her is that unlike Fizz, Tex can actually take care of himself and won't go down easily
@@cesarperez1835 plus she has a whole pack of people around her. if hellhounds kinda work like dogs and are a pack when the environment is right then she possibly has a small army at her beck and call
Anyone else noticing that so far, both the Sins we've met have profoundly ironic personalities for what they represent? The King of Lust is in a loving romantic relationship, AND he's relatively restrained and reasonable in dealing with his problems (letting Moxxie and Millie finish their duet before he throws them out, not giving in to rage despite the urge very much being there when Fizz is kidnapped). And the Queen of Gluttony knows when somebody needs to stop because they're having too much. I wonder what Mammon's gonna be like next...
He's either gonna be Scrooge McDuck tired after having all there is to have or larfleeze where he hoards all that's his and wants everything that isn't
What I understand is that Asmodeus is not the "weakest sin" on a power scale but the most peacefull and therefor easy to deal with. My understanding is that, even back at the club episode, Asmodeus is seen as a really chill guy. I mean a Imp, one of the lowest of the low, goes against his Rules AND hurts his love Fiz. And what does he do? He just kicks them out, no harm nothing. If Moxx and Millie did anything like that to any overlord of even other demons they would have been dead on the spot. We know Ozzi is not agains killing someone but by hell standards he is a pacifist or a saint. As he sayed in the new episode. His Sin, Lust, is something to be earned not forced. He really just wants everyone to have a good time. He really reminds me of Charlie from Hazbin. REALLY powerfull but to nice to go all out. Thats what makes him "weak" in the eyes of other demons.
That honestly makes the most sense. I fully agree. And in no way is Beelzebub or Mammon stronger than him. The due is built like a tank and obviously has some op magic abilities including fire. I mean seriously, the man went straight up Goku.😄 But anyways, your statement I believe is the most correct.
Jesus once explained to those people who slandered him that If the Sins fought against each other their kingdom would collapse. Even Beelzebub power scale look like was strong than Asmodeus but the power of sins was still close similar.
@@tytheaniman497Sorry but when dealing with magical beings physical builds mean nothing. For example charlie can canonically beat the sh*t out of him whenever she pleases and its quite likely the beelzebub is indeed more powerful than him due to beelzebub usually being portrayed as a second in command to Lucifer or a member of the unholy trinity.
If I remember correctly Blitz mentioned he wasn't a Wrath Imp in the episode they meet Millie's parents. Makes me wonder if there's a sunset of Imps, seeing as Blitz, Barbie, and Fizz are just structurally different than Imps like Moxxie and Millie. Ie. Moxxie has obvious digitigrade legs, Blitz, Barb, and Fizz have plantigrade legs. Moxxie and Millie have hair, while The twins and Fizz don't. M&M are also a good bit smaller than the other three and the Wrath Imps in general are generally on the shorter and stouter side, Sally May and Striker being Outliers, especially since it appears that Striker may very well be a hybrid between an Imp and another of Hells natural inhabitants. I'd wager a Wrath Imp and a Envy snake were his biological parents.
Honestly, i don't think crimson meant Ozzie is the weakest in terms of power, magic, abilities or anything like that. I think it's more so a "easier to go against" than the others, due to his secret relationship with fizz. It's something he doesn't want to get to the public, and will do a lot to protect it, which by extension, would mean that he's the "weakest" sin, since he has a weak spot like that which can be exploited. Idk tho, maybe I'm just reading into it
I felt calling him the weakest was more a slight at his easy going nature and his relationship with fizz. Someone like Crimson would see giving one’s partner freedom rather than controlling them as Weak. Granted Beelzebub has a similar easy going nature, but even she seemed more trigger happy and by the way she apologized to vortex, it seems to be something she’s been working on.
Asmodeus is also very big on consent, which one would think wouldn't be the case if he rules over lust as a sin. To me, this says that he is probably the most objectively good princes of hell and that this might be a reason why he's considered as the weakest.
but lust **is** about consent though. I think it's only human societal construct that thinks lust is exploitative. As others have stated, Valentino basically embodies what a lot of society PERCEIVES lust to be, but is actually just a lust for domination and power. Whereas ozzie being the literal embodiment of lust, it makes sense that he's all about consent and "it takes two to tango", as that's where true pleasure comes
I cant wait to learn fully about all the sins and seeing where the show goes with them, hopefully we'll get to see the sins cross over into Hazbin aswell
Yeah, i hope that too and i know that both Hazbin and Helluva Boss will have three seasons and i hope HH characters or sins won't only appear or be focused on in HB's third season and the other way around!
I don't think Lust is the weakest Sin that i believe would be Greed Lust is way more of an active Sin then Greed so i think Crimson just meant he Asmodeus was weak compared to the other Sin Leaders because of his affection for Fizz.
I can see that, but he also added "non-threatening." We have seen that Crimson is not a sex maniac the way the other demons are, lust doesn't seem to phase him, whereas greed and envy both seem to. So I think, from Crimson's perspective, lust is the weakest because it's the only sin that can't phase him, personally.
That doesn't make sense.Sins like gluttony and lust exist because of a person greed for love,affection or food.Going by your logic greed would actually be one of the strongest sin
Interesting take but given that all but two possibly three of the traditional seven sins (pride, sloth, and possibly envy) are very similar and passionate sins I’d say that something like greed isn’t more powerful than something like lust in a general sense but like most things it comes down to a case by case basis. Crimson for example from his very greedy and prideful perspective could see someone like Asmodeus whom isn’t driven by getting as much wealth or have as many people fear him as possible could see him as weak
I don’t think it was actual power scaling. Crimson just called him the weakest because he has Fizz as a weakness that can be easily exploited. He’s also non-threatening because he doesn’t want his relationship with Fizz to be revealed. So just by holding Fizz hostage, Ozzie can’t go out of his way to save him because then people would question why he would go so far just for a random business partner. On the other hand, If vortex was kidnapped, Bee would just go destroy the kidnappers without a second thought because her relationship with him is already out in the open and she doesn’t care. So I don’t think crimson was referring to his actual physical power
I think Bee can get away with openly dating Vortex because it doesn't contradict her sin. Gluttony could be the extremes of everything, including love imo. Whereas Ozzie is specifically contradicting his brand and his sin by being in love.
I think it's moreso that as the sin of gluttony, she really doesn't care about her image in the eyes of the public. Gluttony is all about overindulgence without any care about the reprecussions. I can see that including sex, even though it's typically about food, alcohol, and drugs. So, the culture of hell is absolutely meaningless to her because it's all about what she wants regardless of what anyone else thinks.
I hope fizz & ozzie can come out sometime publically. Bcos I think lust and love do actually go hand in hand - it's not like they're some boring passionate-less couple that lives life by cringey routines - they're ALL about being lovers in the literal sense. So I hope they can come out sometime, and that it goes well for them, and that people get over it even if there's drama at first.
I personally think that the "power" of the Prince comes from how in tune to their respective sin they are. While Asmodeus is lustful to be sure, he is also very much in love with Fizzaroli which could explain how he is weaker than the others as they could be much more in tune to their sin
...Or it is the other way around, and someone is intentionally tries to weaken Asmodeus by shaming him! It would be quite in tune to his sin to act more open about his feelings and passions, why others expect him to not enjoy it fully? It's as if Mammon tried to pretend being broke...
@@epigone1796speaking of Mammon I wonder if him and Ozzy have any connections, Ozzy has an unusually greedy green hue to his main eyes and mouth and is a lover to someone who is technically Mammon's property, there may be a toxic partnership between the two princes.
From the way Crimson’s goes about it, I don’t think Ozzie is the weakest in terms of physical power, but mainly his unwillingness to resort straight into conflict in comparison to the other Sins. After all, he didn’t go to fry Crimson after getting Ozzie back, and he let both Moxxie and Millie live after Millie hurt Ozzie. And, of course, his relationship with Fizz is his weakness. While Bee is the only other Sun we’ve seen so far, who seems to be rather opposed to straight up confrontation until pushed, we don’t know how the other Sins are until we see them on screen and in action. And even if he is the physically weakest, he’s only under less than ten other characters, with him still up there in power and easily stronger than the Ars Goetia princes and Overlords. If anything, it’s more impressive that “mere” imps like Striker and Crimson are capable of having these powerful beings like Stolas and Ozzie on the ropes.
I think you also have to consider that Asmodeus here actually seems pretty genuinely chill about being crossed until it threatens Fizz. A Prince of Hell, no matter how powerful, is probably considered weaker by creatures as wardriven as the Imps (and especially an Imp steeped in Greed like Crimson) If they aren't willing to throw down and display that power violently. The consequence for annoying Asmodeus is getting kicked out of his Nightclub, not death, therefore he's considered a "soft" target.
I kinda wanna see all seven sins in the same room together and we’ll get to see a power gap between princes ( except Lucifer, he’s strong as people say he is).
@@june-cz1cw its still intresting to think about and they don't have to fight to see whos higher on the totem poll there sins would most likely revele whos stronger and whos weaker for example like envy would be jealous of the strongest and ignore those weaker and we know gluttony is weaker then sloth due to bee not getting belphigores drugs which if bee was stronger would just take them
I largely see Asmodeus being called the weakest sin more of a perception thing. Granted we have only seen 2 but between them Ozzy seems to be the most chill. Bee actually threatened loona with her monster form over an insult and not dealing with the not yet problematic blitz. While Ozzy even though Millie assaulted Fizz, his not so secret lover, business partner and money maker, on stage in plane view and only verbally kicked them out, even though no one would blame him if he physically kicked them out or worse. Also he only threatened violence after a long day dealing with fizz's kidnapping situation.
I think Crimson is just saying that because he thinks Ozzy's affection is a sign of weakness - remember he's a homophobe and a toxic guy who thinks not showing love and being abusive makes him powerful.
I think Crimson based his opinion on Asmo's general attitude. Like yeah, Bee is chill too but you could see her majorly explode on Loona due to one comment. Meanwhile Asmo put on a performance and told Moxxie and Millie to just leave even after hurting Fizz. Even with the abduction he remained relatively calm. So I think he just either isn't that prone to violence or has a better grip on it, maybe due to the Ars Goetia teachings being against showing emotions of caring so openly if there's no disdain involved.
I actually think his dual title might be working against Ozz rather than benefit him. A lot of people expect Bee and Bael to be the same, but what if she isn't? That would make Ozz the only Goetia that is a Sin which could indicate that Ozz got his position as Sin to appease the Goetia by having one of their own in the highest echelon of power. This would fit Lucifer as he would essentially make the nobility more compliant by making them feel like they are part of the power structure
Considering how easily Stolas found Blitzo when he was captured by humans, it’s surprising that neither Stolas nor Ozzie seemed capable of finding and rescuing Fizz.
Blitz is going to the human world through stolas grimoire, so I guess it's no surprise he can easily trace him. In hell tho, if you don't have some special ability like vox (hazbin overlord) to go through screens I doubt you can trace someone easily
I think it has to do with Asmodeus being the nicest one out of the sins - I read somewhere that even after his fall, he's caring about souls I mean, he's encouraging ppl to give into the lust, which can go with or without love. He doesn't care, he just mostly wants the spice bit. I think that the next ones who are similar to asmodeus in this regard are the sun of sloth and beelzebub - considering what we saw of her, she's pretty chill and hanging with hells lowest crowd, just like asmodeus Those two along with sloth show more compassion to the bottom tier of hell, sloth allowing imps like Barbie to go into rehab, asmodeus club being for imps and everyone else - and beelzebub throwing a party for the hell hounds.
I think part of the reason Crimson call Ozzie weak is because Asmodeus open loves and care for Fizzarolli and would do anything for him. Crimson has shown he thinks love is weak and thinks fear equals respect. While Asmodeus, to sum degree at least, cares about is subjects and would rather earn their respect. This is also the major difference between Asmodeus and Valentino.
I think Crimson sees lust as weak, not because Asmodeus has no strength but because, as you said, he's traded a lot of social and financial power so that succubus can live the same lifestyle he does. I'm still of the opinion that Ozzie is only one step below Bee-lzebub in terms of raw strength and magic, but when it comes to their social status and how they run their rings, Bee-lzebub and Asmodeus are at the very bottom.
I personally think Crimson said that to get under Asmodeus's skin. We haven't seen all of Sins yet and while with the Greed Ring being featured a bit more than others, it's possible that Greed is "more powerful" than Lust. But think about it, if we see how well managed each ring is, Greed doesn't really look like he's got a handle of things in his ring, with crime running wild, Mafia gangs trying to overpower each other, it's hard to say. Also, i don't think the ram and boar heads are just for show that Asmodeus has. Also... Crimson shouldn't talk because he DID get tricked by CHAZ of all demons. Like.. dude, you're head of your Mafia and you didn't VET THE GUY?! I think that's a characteristic of Greed for Crimson, much like Striker, their need for power and glory plus with Crimson, looks like he wants to become an overlord of the Greed Ring, they're not the brightest. I think we have yet to see Ozzie's true power and we might get that later. thought a littttle bit disappointed that Ozzie wasn't paying attention to the contract, but i think that was a way to use Stolas in the episode... Also it might just be a idea from me, but so far Bee is influenced by emotions around her or what she calls "energy", it may not be the best way to fight and it might be a downfall if she went up against another Sin. She likes to party which fits her Sin!
Wow, I highly doubt that Asmodeus is the weakest sin. Crimson probably said that to get under Asmodeus' skin and the fact he cares for Fizzarolli. Its no wonder why Asmodeus is so angry plus Asmodeus is pretty powerful and he's pretty strong as well.😬😅
I think maybe part of why Crimson called Asmodeus the Weakest Sin is that he doesn't have as much influence outside of his Ring as many of the other Sins do. For example, we know that the sex industry in the Pride Ring is controlled by Val, with Asmodeus probably only being involved at supplying the sex toys for Val's promos; but there isn't any signs that he any said in the matter how that kind of business should be handle. Sure it might be that none of the Sins do have any influence outside of their respective Rings, but if all this contracts talks in this video is true, then its especially true for Ozzie. This could be why Crimson feels safe to insult Ozzie since he's in the Greed Ring where Ozzie doesn't have the reach to get to him without breaking some deals made with Mammon. Of course this also means that if Crimson or any of his goons try to do something in the Lust Ring, there going to F**ked in a very different way than the usual, like with whatever happened to Crim's lawyer.
I don’t think Asmodeus is the weakest Sin and would probably still put Belphagor.😕 Honestly though, I find it really refreshing that even if Asmodeus doesn’t have as much power/leverage as the other royals, he’s happy with what he’s doing, who he’s with and his people seem overall satisfied with how things are, so it’s not a dangerous/depressing place with lots of death.❤️ I wouldn’t be surprised if that stems from Asmodeus believing Lust shouldn’t be about force and who would rather bring pleasure than pain and suffering.❤ I think Crimson’s dig at Asmodeus was mostly about how he rarely needs to show his strength/fury to rule his people and that Crimson himself views emotional attachments as weaknesses that can be exploited.🤔
*Wow, and I thought envy would be the weakest sin, but I guess even Asmodeus, the Demon Prince of Lust has its limits! Thanks for the new Helluva Boss theory video, Deep Cut from **#CartoonUniverse** !* ;D *Please do a future Helluva Boss theory video on who truly creates aphrodisiacs in Hell since Asmodeus confirmed that making love drugs isn't part of his career to Stolas Goetia in the sixth season 2 episode of Helluva Boss, "Oops"!* ;)
Dude, have you seen what people can do when they have full Envy in them? I think Envy can beat Lust because while Lust mean you enjoy what you love, Envy is someone who crave and want love. I not even suprise why Ozzie dont believe in love potion becuase it mean that both side didnt have "Lust" feeling, it more like control someone without earn the other "Lust" feeling. There a big different between bondage and try to torture someone, you know....
@syabilaazri7834 *Aw, I see .You do make a good point there.☺️ If I remember correctly in the Holy Word , it says that "envy makes you weak, and rots the heart, mind ,soul ,flesh ,blood bones, " and "there are two kinds of wisdom : earthly wisdom which i usually causes envy, selfish ambition, chaos and discord, and heavenly wisdom ,and benevolence, intelligence, purity, selfless generosity , and truth for examples.* 🤗😇
i like my base outfit, but its fun to see slight alterations of it with different colors for different shows. my original had no red but i actually wear a red suit more in real life, so its nice to switch into that for helluva or murder drones. I'd like to do an adventure time sona too maybe.
Ozzy is just enjoying life. He seemed to be a very polite individual who just wants to have fun. Making time for stollas and even accepting his help is a good thing. I want to see them team up again ^_^
I do honestly really like the idea of Asmodeus sacrificing power for his and his succubus's fantasies. In real life, if you want to dedicate yourself to lust and sexual lifestyles, you usually end up sacrificing a lot from effort to prepare for those things, money to invest and the potential consequences of someone using your lifestyle to shame you.
From a source material perspective you are right that Asmodeus has a title in the Ars Goetia but the title has very little to do with power. in the Ars Goetia your ranking shows your power. Beelzebub (Queen Bee) has the same title (King) as Asmodeus but is ranked 1st among the Goetia while Asmodeus is ranked 32nd. Stolas in perspective is ranked 36th and Stolas' father Paimon is ranked 9th. Andrealphus is ranked 65th
I would say that Ozzy isn’t weak at all, he’s just really patient, like Bee, I think he resorts to peace first but if pushed too much can get violent, Ozzy probably killed that lawyer dude. He probably doesn’t kill imps because of Fizz. I don’t think a Prince or Princess of a Sin ring should be underestimated at all. They clearly have a huge power against the residents of each Ring.
Can't wait to see what the Envy level looks like, if they ever show it. I don't know how the main group could manage being down there due to the immense pressure.
Calling him the Weakest Sin does track, look at most media where the Seven Sins are brought to life or made into beings, Lust is typically at the bottom of the pack with Envy, Wrath and Pride being the Top Dogs. And it makes sense, Generally I feel like you can divide the sins into Three Categories Mostly Non-Violent: Lust, Gluttony, Sloth In Between: Greed Violent: Envy, Wrath and Pride. Lust, Gluttony and Sloth typically are sins of indulgence, which is more about self harm than harming others, Greed is similar but it's more about getting as much stuff as you can, regardless of who it belongs too which can easily lead to violence. However, Envy, Wrath and Pride are usually Sins that are violent by naturee. Envy means you want something or dislike someone because of something they have and either seek to take it for yourself or destroy that person or that thing. Wrath is basically being angry and violent all the time, lashing out at anything and everything that makes you angry, and Pride is basically believing you're above anything, so violence aginast others isn't seen as a problem.
Indeed. Has anyone else noticed that 'Helluva Boss' seems to be introducing us to the Sins in the theological order from least to most severe? (We met the King of Lust first, then the Queen of Gluttony (the second least severe Sin), and if the reported future episode titles on TVTropes are accurate then we're going to meet the King of Greed (third-least severe) next.)
I dont take it as him being weakest in terms of power... just that Fizz is one MASSIVE weakness to him. Have the clows ostage and Ozzie is effectively at your mercy. thats why Crimson called him weak: not because he is lacking in power, but because he has such a massive emotional weakness that can be exploited.
I feel we will get an episode where asmodeus goes crazy and isn’t very weak for the time being maybe his design being a chicken could reflect his personality. He’s a chicken but once you get in his bad side he isn’t so nice, he’s based off a rooster they got spurs that they use to fight and they can leave nasty wounds but also chicken being used as an insult for a weakling or a person who’s scared, but him being a rooster could also just be chickens are called cocks and that’s synonymous with sex but both work
I understood Crimson's insult in the sense of emotional weakness, meaning, being attached to anyone (be it a lover or family) is seen ans weak because it makes one vulnerable. Both from a general hellish point of view, but especially from Crimson's. We know how he treated his own family, so I suppose that's the way he jugdes everyone. But as you pointed out, deals are a very important power factor in hell, and what else would lure anyone into making a deal than emotions? The need for something one cannot achieve easily on one's own is the best motivation for making a deal.
Headcanons: 1. Crimson called Asmodeus the weakest because he is a pretty “benevolent” (by Hell’s standards at least) ruler and as such is not so much feared by his subjects, leading Crim to think he’s not really that powerful. And 2. The Lust Ring is the most peaceful Ring in Hell due the inhabitants being too busy sleeping with each other to cause chaos
My thoughts on this: Clearly Crimson is drowning in his silo-minded illusion of control. I hope someone, both figuratively and literally, smack some sense into him before karma hits him like a stampede of rampaging water buffaloes. (>w
i think in terms of weakest sin he was speaking in terms of his will, seeing how he can be swayed by emotions such as genuine love seen with Fizz. while other sins don't seem to be extremely attached even if we count beel if she really had to she could drop vortex if needed just because of the nature of her sin being gluttony. she can have as much as she wants whenever she wants and that can extend with hell beasts.
I took this as just Crimson putting on a big act because he had Fizz, and he rightly knew that this gave him the edge over Asmodeus and also rubbing in the fact that more and more of hell was starting to find out about the nature of his and Fizz's relationship (like with the article in the magazine Fizz crumpled up). In any other situation there's no way he'd be able to say something like this Ozzie, because even if he is the weakest of the sins he's still infinitely more powerful than crimson or any imp for that matter.
Knowledge of high ranking contracts kinda has me worried for Charlie. The only person higher on the totem pole than her is her father, so the effects of her contract with Alastor could be very harsh
Would Asmodeus and fizz’s relationship going public really be that big a deal? It’s already the “worst kept secret in all of hell” and how scandalous could it be when Lucifer’s daughter is running around trying to redeem sinners? Even then, what are they gonna do? Crimson got lucky with fizz deciding to go on his own without security, a chance like that not gonna happen again. And asmodeus like all demon probably has a beast form as well that he only showed parts of when he was angry,
Also you know Crimson would never have the balls to even try this kind of stunt with Satan or Lucifer, especially Satan. Dude probably would sooner admit he loves Moxxie than piss of the literal Sin of Wrath.
My guess is Crimson would probably consider Satan the most Dangerous or Threatening of the Sins, even more than Lucifer since when it comes to Wrath, Violence is Always the Answer. I wouldn't be surprised if Satan is the Sin that most demons are the most afraid of due to his likely extremely violent temper and strength.
@@emanuelbaigorria3932ya Lucifer is probably the second or third strongest in the show I say third because I don't know if Michael exists or not he is literally Fated to kill Lucifer.
@@emanuelbaigorria3932 I'm not saying Lucifer is weak I'm just pointing out he would be only the third strongest if Michael exists in the show universe which I have no idea if he does but it is a pretty big thing in most dipcsons of Michael to stronger then Lucifer and the one to smite him down but i will say this i haven't seen the heaven highraocy so i don't know where Lucifer stands among other high rank angles and if Michael did exist it would make sense for him to be the only angel stronger than him I'm just going off what think from the media I've seen or read.
I think picking Lust as the weakest of the sins makes perfect sense. In Dante's Inferno, just a small fanfiction some may have heard of, it's the least worst sin as it's a sin born out of lack of self control, in comparisson to other more major sins that have you make very conscious choices to be bad or at least is far more harmful to others, compared to Lust anyway. All other sins are more destructive and overall harmful in comparisson. Making Lust and by extension Asmodeus the weakest is a deliberate choice to reflect reality. So I think Lust is the weakest sin because it's the least harmful. And making the Princes of hell only as powerful as their sins are harmful makes sense, does it not?
@@pancakepop680 Did you even read what I said? Yes one may argue that Wrath is just as much of a sin you can't control, but it's infinitely more harmful than Lust. Wrath is the sin of violence and it directly causes harm to those surrounded by it... how is that a weak sin? Also please explain to me how exactly Lust is destructive or rather how it's more so than the other sins. Just claiming it is, isn't a great argument. Prove your point with an example or at least explain what you mean.
You know it’s just occurred to me - there is always constant confusion between lust and envy because most people fail to see the distinction between them, seeing them more as two sides of the same coin. What if Asmodeud is the weakest sin not because he GAVE away power, but because he SEALED it away to not be reminded of his ‘possible’ association to Leviathan?
based off of the newest Ep, where we get to See both Ozzie and Mammon in their beast modes, it brings into perspective wether or not Asmodeus can use the fire that surrounds his hands and neck, and we've seen the impeccable damage fire can do, and while Greed seemed quite dangerous, i think that Ozzie's concerns mainly stems from Fizzarolli being an Imp, and the things (if he's not careful) can happen to him in that kind of place without a bodyguard or Asmodeus himself by his side.
My headcanon is that Crimson only referred to Asmodeus as that due to his lack of commitment to his assigned sin as a result of his relationship with Fizz, nothing specifically to do with literal power/strength.
Alot of the breakdowns im seeing of him as the weakest sin sounds like people are thinking of weakest in a power level kind of thing. Its kind of obvious in context Crimson sees him as weakest in a more social/emotional context. Asmodeus doesnt seem to go out of his way to be evil and his attachment to fizz makes ozzy more pliable to demands which the other sins likely arent(though i guess bee might be? idk)
The OG list is usually: Pride Envy Wrath Sloth Greed Gluttony Lust And while not the strongest, it’s still a major Sin, legit one of the most terrifying demons. The ring they are in is most likely just the size and production rather then power in this case.
Considering that Asmodeus's demons are stated in these episode to be some of the few demons that can reliably and legally trabel to the human realm, that would mean that he may be the only sin that can influence humanity efectibly. That would imply that Lucifer gave Asmodeus special benefits, so either he is supper loyal to the king of hell and lucifer is rewarding that loyalty, or he is more useful or powerful than the other sins and lucifer wants to ensure Asmodeus loyalty and usefulnes by probiding him with "gifts" that would keep him in good terms with the king of pride while working to lucifer benefit (remember that other sins like Mammon are not completly loyal to lucifer and sometimes take advantage of him like what happend with LooLoo land). That would put Asmodeus as one of the most powerful sins of hell, maybe the top three.
It honestly depends on who is drawing Ozzie in comparison of just raw power. Remember in S1 Ep7 during the House of Asmodeus song , Ozzie lays down in front of Moxxie to sing "Little imp, you came here to sing your serenade~." In that scene, he looks about as big as Bee's "beast mode." But in this new episode, he seems a lot smaller.
My guess is because he doesn’t go out of his way to use his power that often and crimson thought he’d found the perfect weakness. I feel like he’ll be on the warpath and prove just how wrong crimson was
In the Divine Comedy, lust is represented as the weakest sin. This is emphasized by being the first capital sin that Dante comes to in the second circle of hell.
It's not so much represented as the "weakest" sin but the one that is most forgivable. In Christianity, at least, the Seven Deadly Sins are all still considered to be forgivable, if one repents. One commonly held thing is that the one truly unforgivable sin is Despair. It's where the other seven stem from, but also something more. It's the conviction that one is damned absolutely, a repudiation of the power of the savior, of the power of grace and forgiveness that is infinite in the Abrahamic deity. The "seven deadly sins" are attached to objects of the world, and are still forgivable in that one can overcome them. But Despair is... different. It bleeds out, beyond the ego-centered self, relates to no desire, no thing. It is complete and total surrender.
It's interesting how in the same scene where he's called weak, it then proceeds to have him nearly explode with a rage that literally shook the building around him. My man. If *that* is weak for a Sin, Asmodeus is the tip of the iceberg.
I wouldn't read too much into the statement. Moxxie's dad thought Ozzy was the weakest prince because he has someone he loves who can be used to exploit him. I don't think it can be used to describe how much he can personally mess you up one way or another.
It's crazy to think our bee-loved Beelzebub might have actually fought the war against God in Heaven alongside Satan and Lucifer (possibly other Deadly Sins too). That would put her on a whole other level of badass!
One chart I've seen would go From weakest to strongest sin, they go Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and finally at top, Pride. That said he'd be still in Top 7 of Ars Goetia, and one of the deadliest demons in hell.
I think Crimson was just insulting Ozzy. But it could be argued that Ozzy has more weeknesses despite being greatly powerful. He's having a secret relationship (but everyone knows) with an imp that can't fight, which can get kidnapped and used as leverage like in the episode. Ozzy is noticeably nice to his staff which makes him appear "soft" which many see as weak even if that individual is very dangerous. So Ozzy might not be the weakest but he's not taken seriously enough that demons like Crimson consider him the weakest.
I feel like the statement wasn't quite as literal as people make it out to be. I think what Crimson meant by weakest was that he had the most exploitability in the form of his attachment to Fizz. Despite being a demon of Lust, he may perhaps be the most sentimental out of the 7 sins and more attached to things; thus being viewed as "Weaker" in comparison to the other sins. That's at least how I viewed it.
Pretty clear Crimson doesn't think much of homosexuals, looking at how he treated his son, so possible he just assumes Asmodeus is weak because he's in a relationship with another male.
one idea ive had is that asmodeus having two roles (sin and goetia) might actually make him less powerful in the hierarchy of the sins, since he isnt purely devoted to his sin and likely has some family duties as a goetia. plus since hes a goetia (who have been shown to at least be killable if not just a high ranking mortal hellborn species) it might be possible for him to not be the first prince of lust. in fact if you look at the architecture of the lust ring it could suggest as much since ozzies and surrounding clubs as far as can be told are in a more 70s-80s lounge type of style while asmodeus and fizz's place is much more modern looking, although that could just be marketing ofc.
Actually, i wonder if Ozzie have a rivally with ruler of Envy becuase when Ozzie have a talk with Stolas, he mention that he didnt believe in love potion. So does that mean that there are demon who sell love potion on hell becuase out of all Sin in Hell, i not suprise that Envy sell one of those thing with how "Lust" want to enjoy what they love and "Envy" crave and want to be love
perhaps in a future episode we will see how Ozzie, Fizz, and Mammon all met. It would be interesting to contrast Ozzie and Fizz meeting and relationship developing with how Stolas and Blitz’s has. We need more information on Ozzie and Fizz pasts to do that though.
It would make sense that Sloth and Lust are the weakest of the sins, since they are both nonviolent sins. In the episode Ozzy even says that he doesn't do "love potions" because lust isn't about force, it's about seduction. From a meta sense, that could be just trying to make a consent comment, but it's not inconsistent with the other rings. At Beez' party, she is all about gluttonous behavior but only if you are really enjoying it. She dislikes that Blitzo is masking his pain by indulging, though she isn't going to make it worse by calling him out right away. Even when she snaps at Loona, she apologizes and ropes it in quickly. And Sloth is all about being lazy and doing drugs, but it also has the good medical clinics, rehab centers, etc. It seems like some of the sins are about indulging in the sin, but not getting lost in it. Even Ozzy and Fizz being more honest about their relationship shows this. Lust is about having a good time, but if you're not having a good time (either because you're denying the love part of your relationship, or because you don't want to do the lust part) then you're doing Lust wrong.
I think Asmodeus is the weakest sin purely by how impatient he is with contracts. Man was really about to give all of his assets because he wants it over and done with. The one that he actually agreed to, as read out and explained by Stolas, means he's sacrificed everything in the Greed ring, which is a pretty big deal but I guess Fizzarolli is worth that. I think he sits at the bottom of the sins, but is far more powerful than the Ars Goetia in terms of raw strength, less so than some with political power.
There is also the possibility that Crimson views Asmodeus as "weak" due to the fact that the latter has feelings. We've seen from flashbacks the way Crimson has treated both his wife and child, he belittles Moxxie for his past relationship with Chaz and his current marriage with Millie, so it's safe to assume that for Crimson love is weakness. You can also say that this might not be the case, since at least two of the other Princes of Hell are in happy relationships- Lucifer being married to Lilith and Beelzebub being in a relationship with Vortex, however, unlike them, Asmodeus keeps his relationship a secret, and from Crimson's point of view this is nothing but a demonstration of the Prince of lust's inability to keep his life stable.
Just a theory, but maybe the power of the sins (or at least how Crimson might see it, looking at how he conducts business himself), depends on how predatory the sin is. Lucifer is exempt from this rule as he is the one who structured Hell, nobody is going to question his authority anytime soon and the Pride Ring also not necessarily centered around Pride... But when we put Lucifer on the top, we can actually separate the remaining 6 sins in two groups. The sins that you can commit to yourself and don't require a second party and the sins that are almost exclusively require a second party, a victim party. In the first group, the sins against oneself are: - Gluttony; - Lust; - Sloth. All sins to affect others but in general terms don't require a second party. Gluttony is one's overconsumption of food and drink, you don't require others to keep your food or alcohol addiction going. You are doing it on yourself, to yourself. Similar with Lust, sex addiction doesn't require a second party, as perfectly illustrated with the focus on sex toys in the show. Asmodeus also makes it clear that Lust should be consensual, so for him, the perfect victim of his sin is someone who embraced their sexual vices. As for Sloth, they are literally too lazy to affect others. It is all about doing as little possible. Sure, others have to pick up the slack but in a way, sloth is literal inaction. In the second group, the sins against others are: - Envy; - Greed; - Wrath. These are the sins that have to be committed to others in order to be work (or at least strongly encourage it). Envy is being envious of others. You want something others posses or want them to not posses it. For Envy to work you require another and in extreme cases, you will act on this envy by harming said person. With Greed, it is technically not necessary to have others as you could simply hoard what you already have but as shown in the series, those in Greed live to exploit others. If you want more money, you have to take it from others by any means necessary. As for Wrath, on who are you going to unleash your rage than on others? Others will be most likely the victim of your anger, often in the form of physical violence. And as a Wrath Imp who have chosen Greed as his new sin, it isn't hard to see why at least for Crimson (but probably also others), the three who don't require a victim are already the weaker sins and the less exploitative the sin is, the lower the power level. So the Hierarchy based on exploitation is probably: - Pride - Wrath - Greed - Envy - Sloth - Gluttony - Lust
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Will there be more shirtless Asmodeus scenes?
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Even if he is the “weakest sin” he’s still one of the most powerful beings in hell and crimson is pretty stupid thinking he can best Asmodeus.
He has like room temperature IQ. Like come on, his mafia is nearly out of money and Chaz even managed to convince him that he’s rich.
Crimson is a native of the Greed ring, meaning Greed is in his nature and that often can cause even intelligent people to make dumb decisions. That's part of why Greed is considered a more dangerous sin than Lust since it causes people to act more violently and more naively in pursuit of wealth and power.
Then again considering he's an Imp, Satan is probably the only Sin Crimson Respects/Fears.
@@Cass0wary_399yeah its been pretty much established that hes stupid
Always thought Crimson was smooth brained after someone like Chaz managed to fool him
Hell I doubt Ozzie is the weakest, it’s just crimson’s biased belief
@@JDWalker495 well some sin has to be the weakest and I'd bet my money on Lust
We have seen that Crimson is not a sex maniac the way the other demons are, lust doesn't seem to phase him, whereas greed and envy both seem to. So I think, from Crimson's perspective, lust is the weakest because it's the only sin that can't phase him, personally. That being said, we all know that Asmodeus could physically obliterate Crimson into dust.
That checks out.
I can see that.
It can also be said that crimson is weak to Pride as well, with beliefs like these
not to mention, Crimson is not as smart as he think he is. So it is likely he underestimate
@@mcpics4448 Crimson not smart? That's hilarious.😂
I think this is mostly a reference to the idea that Lust, as a Sin, is often considered the least damaging of the Seven, seen as a physical Sin, rather than a spiritual one. More a necessary evil, since, without Lust, humanity wouldn't exist.
LOL what do you mean humanity wouldn't exist 😆
Edit: Okay okay, I don't need anymore replies to mine. I wrote this comment out of genuine confusion because 1, not everyone has sex to reproduce (some sexual activities don't even result in pregnancy), 2, some couples aren't cishet (a cis gay couple can't reproduce), and 3, you don't need to "lust" for someone to have a bio child (e.g. some people are on the ace spectrum or someone decided to have a test tube baby). /g
@@0racle.sunrise3570 Without lust, sex would be far less common, therefore there'd be far less children.
@@0racle.sunrise3570 lust isn't just about love, but ambition. Something we all have and need to a certain degree. It's how we've got here: ambitious people who lust to be greater; to do something great. Then there's also how love works. You can lust for someone, but not to an extreme degree. That's how humanity has got here (although lust back then was DEFINITELY what we consider the extreme version of lust now)
@@AzureRoxeor maybe without lust there would be less kids in adoption centers 😂
Yeah but I’d argue that he’s probably one of the strongest for that reason because we are all subject to our own wants and desires.
To be considered a weaker sin then the rest must be baffling to hear seeing how he continues to invent and develop more ways for his people to enjoy themselves in the lust ring
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My theory is that Sins like Lust, Gluttony, and Sloth are seen as lower, base pleasures while the other four Sins are seen as active threats. There may be some internal hierarchy of the Seven that might be something wholly original to this show.
Though it could be that Crimson doesn't know what he is talking about. He did nearly get scammed by Chadwick, after all.
outside of lucifer, all of the sins are likely equal in power to each other, its just some have different temperaments. ozzie is laidback, but I imagine if you did this kind of thing to satan, the whole ring of wrath would slam down into greed.
@@ItsAMaelstromi mean the greed ring did rip off lu lu world that has to say something about how ballsy mammon must be. To actively go against lucifer is crazy even if its just in a lawsuit.
Also mammons place is basically the treasurer bros owns money. And self proclaimed him and lucifer are friends over mammon seems more like to schemer someone who has connections and knows his value to why lucifer wouldnt just straight up kill him since lucifer does control the influx of angel weapons since he allows the extermination.
@@ItsAMaelstromI don’t think any demon would be stupid enough to enrage the embodiment of wrath.
@@jahjah7940agreed, Lucifer and Satan should be the top two no question. Some interpretations have Satan as physically stronger than Lucifer but still lose because Lucifer is more cunning or strategic.The others are just a toss up.
@@cjmacd07 I still think gluttony being second strongest makes a lot of sense.
But maybe I"m biased.
I think it’s meant to be weakness, by Crimson’s standards. Ozzy isn’t prone to violence and has emotional attachments which are things Crimsons doesn’t value. Imp are from Wrath so valuing strength makes sense, Millie’s parents do to but Crimson thrives in the Greed Ring and put nothing above money and his pride not even his wife or son. So Crimson see one of the 7 rulers who prefers
Greed certainly has become more dangerous over the course of the series.
@@emanuelbaigorria3932 do you think the guys who make this show like one name over the other? Personally I prefer Asmodeus
@@emanuelbaigorria3932 that’s cool anything anyone goes with is cool with me
I think it could also be the fact that lust is the sin that seems to affect crimson himself the least. He obviously is very greedy, envious, and wrathful, has some elements of pride, and maybe his 'get rich quick' techniques could be seen as sloth, while his excessive lifestyle could be seen as gluttonous. The only sin he doesn't seem to ever commit at any point being lust
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Id also like to input some info I learned: the lust sin is very flexible - its technically extreme desire for something, and it can be for anything such as money, power, and blood (hence bloodlust). So theoretically, he could possibly be even more dangerous should he choose to.
Frankly, I think Crimson was just stating his own idea that Lust isn't as powerful as greed, due to the violence in Greed. Crim seems to think those that choose lust are not capable of violence.
We see with Fizzarolli, he's not a violent imp, prefering lust instead, that would support Crim's bias.
Also, Crim is aware of Ozzy's fondness for Fizz, and would see that as a weakness to be exploited.
Yeah he had Fizz and knew that Asmodeus wouldn't risk his life and in all seriousness he was acting pretty smart in what he asked for ransom something that would be a major game changer for himself but something that Asmodeus could easily part with
the Lust Ring also seems to be the origin of all the technology in hell, especially considering Ozzie has his own personal workshop where he has spare limbs for Fizz
but...to note, Ozzie is described as the weakest sin by Crimson, more likely because he had Fizz as a hostage
a lot of tech comes from sinners sent to hell who were inventers
Crimson also wanted access to asmodeus factories. I'm guessing that tech is something that's predominant in the lust ring but industry is where lust trully excels in the labs are the middleman for mass production.
I assume the lust ring is surprisingly tech savvy due to it being an entertainment industry
Lust is weaker the greed. Lust is to want somthing. Greed however is basically lust on steroids. You want it you must have more of it.
I second the idea that the Lust Ring is a spearhead in technological advancement in Hell. It seems like one of the more upper class rings where the Succubu get to live more extravagant life styles compared to other rings, like Wrath or Greed.
I honestly thought that "being the weakest sin" was actually the personification of the concept that "Lust" is the least disruptive or impactful of the seven sins.
For example, Dante in his vision puts lustful sinners at the top of the Hell (therefore nearest to God) and gives them the least impactful punishment of all of Hell's rings. He kind of excuses them.
It is. I'm really surprised that so few people here has actually picked up on that.
But in this show it appears to be the third ring, with pride being the first, but the most powerful.
@@tanandalynch9441 this show is an amalgamation of many different hells but seems to be taking the sins power structure or lust at the botten and pride at the top with the others filling in between them
@@asuraofwrath we don't know that. It's implied that wrath is the last ring despite Satan being one of the strongest sins, only outranked by Lucifer and possibly Bee
@@tanandalynch9441 we have elements of the ars goethia , chistian hell and dantes inferno and the placement of the rings seem to have no base for there placements but the sins due clearly have a strict power structure in the group like the ars goetia with stolas near the top and adrealphis and stella being minor nobles and bees most likely weaker the belphiegor the sin of sloth due to her not being able to get there drugs if she had the power to beat belphigor she would just steal the drugs
Honestly when Crimson called Ozzie the weakest Sin, I took it more as the one with the easiest weakness to exploit which a Greed Demon would gladly pounce on. Fizz being so openly in a relationship with Oz is shown and discussed throughout the episode, and Crimson's taunt adds another layer to that.
I don't think anyone who would crumble a tabloid magazine of their relationship, then decided to stuff in in a trash can, hurling that said trash can out from the 100th story of Asmodeus's tower.... would be as open as a princess who just got her pony.
@@DarlingMartyrI think he only did that to not stress out Asmodeus
@@DarlingMartyrAsmodeus has a reputation to uphold. It cannot be known that he's actually in love, nobody would take him seriously. Note that in S1E7 titled "Ozzie's" He got on Moxxie's case for singing a love song, but tave hin a second chance to actually include some lust into that. You'd be surprised what someone would do to save a reputation as a badass when in reality they're soft and loving.
Indeed. Crimson's full insult was, "The weakest and most non-threatening of the sins. The king who will do whatever it takes to save the worst kept secret in all of Hell." Therefore, I think that Asmodeus' weakness is in his influence compared to that of the other sins.
My guess is Crimson was referring to Asmodeus having a very blatant and exploitable weakness in the form of Fizzarolli. We have seen from this episode that Fizz is no fighter and had Blitzø not been present, he was likely screwed. The next weakest by that definition would be Beelzabub but unlike Fizz, Tex is a bodyguard and wouldn’t go down without a fight and likely knows how to be aware of his surroundings and hard to ambush. To try and kidnap Charlie and/or Lilith would be in and on itself suicide, to say nothing of what will happen if Lucy finds out. The other Sins likely don’t have any person dear to them, so they are untouchable by isolation.
But I mean, if Blitz didn't attack Fizz and cause a scene, none of this would have happened, or Fizz is more fucked.... who knows
@@DarlingMartyr fair point, but Crimson still gave Stryker a quest to bring him smt/smn of value before looking out the window. Even if Blitzy was absent, Fizz couldn't be more unsubtle even if he carried a sky beam around. Stryker would have probably found him sooner or later
I mean by that logic bees weakness would be vortex.
@@penguinsmovies yes, that's what I said. Bee's weakness would be Tex, but the reason why Ozzie is the weakest and not her is that unlike Fizz, Tex can actually take care of himself and won't go down easily
@@cesarperez1835 plus she has a whole pack of people around her. if hellhounds kinda work like dogs and are a pack when the environment is right then she possibly has a small army at her beck and call
Anyone else noticing that so far, both the Sins we've met have profoundly ironic personalities for what they represent? The King of Lust is in a loving romantic relationship, AND he's relatively restrained and reasonable in dealing with his problems (letting Moxxie and Millie finish their duet before he throws them out, not giving in to rage despite the urge very much being there when Fizz is kidnapped). And the Queen of Gluttony knows when somebody needs to stop because they're having too much. I wonder what Mammon's gonna be like next...
I feel like Greed is going to be, judging by those liked McDonalds posts, *all in* on his sin but also profoundly depressed or constantly sick.
Actually many theroize Mammon is perpetually broke cause he spends all the money he has@@eatatjoes6751
He's either gonna be Scrooge McDuck tired after having all there is to have or larfleeze where he hoards all that's his and wants everything that isn't
Considering that he's apparently a prick, he's probs going to be outright greedy and corrupt. Either that or he's ironically bad with money
Makes me wonder about all the sins
What I understand is that Asmodeus is not the "weakest sin" on a power scale but the most peacefull and therefor easy to deal with.
My understanding is that, even back at the club episode, Asmodeus is seen as a really chill guy.
I mean a Imp, one of the lowest of the low, goes against his Rules AND hurts his love Fiz. And what does he do?
He just kicks them out, no harm nothing.
If Moxx and Millie did anything like that to any overlord of even other demons they would have been dead on the spot.
We know Ozzi is not agains killing someone but by hell standards he is a pacifist or a saint.
As he sayed in the new episode.
His Sin, Lust, is something to be earned not forced.
He really just wants everyone to have a good time.
He really reminds me of Charlie from Hazbin.
REALLY powerfull but to nice to go all out.
Thats what makes him "weak" in the eyes of other demons.
That honestly makes the most sense. I fully agree. And in no way is Beelzebub or Mammon stronger than him. The due is built like a tank and obviously has some op magic abilities including fire. I mean seriously, the man went straight up Goku.😄 But anyways, your statement I believe is the most correct.
he is equal with mammon in terms of powers but beezlebub loses to asmodeus
Jesus once explained to those people who slandered him that If the Sins fought against each other their kingdom would collapse. Even Beelzebub power scale look like was strong than Asmodeus but the power of sins was still close similar.
@@tytheaniman497Sorry but when dealing with magical beings physical builds mean nothing. For example charlie can canonically beat the sh*t out of him whenever she pleases and its quite likely the beelzebub is indeed more powerful than him due to beelzebub usually being portrayed as a second in command to Lucifer or a member of the unholy trinity.
@@Freddkim49And you are basing that off what exactly?
Funny how Crimson calls Asmodeus the weakest sin but lost almost everything to a wrath imp, a jester imp, and a dickhead imp lol. Love the vid!
Also managed to get tricked by Chaz of all people
@@adamH.1 and his team got whooped two times by the imp🤣
And all these things happened in 2 episodes that he was in xD
If I remember correctly Blitz mentioned he wasn't a Wrath Imp in the episode they meet Millie's parents. Makes me wonder if there's a sunset of Imps, seeing as Blitz, Barbie, and Fizz are just structurally different than Imps like Moxxie and Millie. Ie. Moxxie has obvious digitigrade legs, Blitz, Barb, and Fizz have plantigrade legs. Moxxie and Millie have hair, while The twins and Fizz don't. M&M are also a good bit smaller than the other three and the Wrath Imps in general are generally on the shorter and stouter side, Sally May and Striker being Outliers, especially since it appears that Striker may very well be a hybrid between an Imp and another of Hells natural inhabitants. I'd wager a Wrath Imp and a Envy snake were his biological parents.
@@ladyvee2090 Actually Blitz and Barb are probably taller because of their mother being succubus.. They're hybrids
Honestly, i don't think crimson meant Ozzie is the weakest in terms of power, magic, abilities or anything like that. I think it's more so a "easier to go against" than the others, due to his secret relationship with fizz. It's something he doesn't want to get to the public, and will do a lot to protect it, which by extension, would mean that he's the "weakest" sin, since he has a weak spot like that which can be exploited.
Idk tho, maybe I'm just reading into it
I felt calling him the weakest was more a slight at his easy going nature and his relationship with fizz. Someone like Crimson would see giving one’s partner freedom rather than controlling them as Weak.
Granted Beelzebub has a similar easy going nature, but even she seemed more trigger happy and by the way she apologized to vortex, it seems to be something she’s been working on.
Asmodeus is also very big on consent, which one would think wouldn't be the case if he rules over lust as a sin. To me, this says that he is probably the most objectively good princes of hell and that this might be a reason why he's considered as the weakest.
but lust **is** about consent though. I think it's only human societal construct that thinks lust is exploitative. As others have stated, Valentino basically embodies what a lot of society PERCEIVES lust to be, but is actually just a lust for domination and power. Whereas ozzie being the literal embodiment of lust, it makes sense that he's all about consent and "it takes two to tango", as that's where true pleasure comes
@@elliesart_ Yeah, Val's closer to Mam
I cant wait to learn fully about all the sins and seeing where the show goes with them, hopefully we'll get to see the sins cross over into Hazbin aswell
Yeah, i hope that too and i know that both Hazbin and Helluva Boss will have three seasons and i hope HH characters or sins won't only appear or be focused on in HB's third season and the other way around!
I don't think Lust is the weakest Sin that i believe would be Greed Lust is way more of an active Sin then Greed so i think Crimson just meant he Asmodeus was weak compared to the other Sin Leaders because of his affection for Fizz.
I can see that, but he also added "non-threatening." We have seen that Crimson is not a sex maniac the way the other demons are, lust doesn't seem to phase him, whereas greed and envy both seem to. So I think, from Crimson's perspective, lust is the weakest because it's the only sin that can't phase him, personally.
That doesn't make sense.Sins like gluttony and lust exist because of a person greed for love,affection or food.Going by your logic greed would actually be one of the strongest sin
Interesting take but given that all but two possibly three of the traditional seven sins (pride, sloth, and possibly envy) are very similar and passionate sins I’d say that something like greed isn’t more powerful than something like lust in a general sense but like most things it comes down to a case by case basis. Crimson for example from his very greedy and prideful perspective could see someone like Asmodeus whom isn’t driven by getting as much wealth or have as many people fear him as possible could see him as weak
I don’t think it was actual power scaling. Crimson just called him the weakest because he has Fizz as a weakness that can be easily exploited. He’s also non-threatening because he doesn’t want his relationship with Fizz to be revealed. So just by holding Fizz hostage, Ozzie can’t go out of his way to save him because then people would question why he would go so far just for a random business partner. On the other hand, If vortex was kidnapped, Bee would just go destroy the kidnappers without a second thought because her relationship with him is already out in the open and she doesn’t care. So I don’t think crimson was referring to his actual physical power
I think Bee can get away with openly dating Vortex because it doesn't contradict her sin. Gluttony could be the extremes of everything, including love imo. Whereas Ozzie is specifically contradicting his brand and his sin by being in love.
I think it's moreso that as the sin of gluttony, she really doesn't care about her image in the eyes of the public. Gluttony is all about overindulgence without any care about the reprecussions. I can see that including sex, even though it's typically about food, alcohol, and drugs. So, the culture of hell is absolutely meaningless to her because it's all about what she wants regardless of what anyone else thinks.
I hope fizz & ozzie can come out sometime publically. Bcos I think lust and love do actually go hand in hand - it's not like they're some boring passionate-less couple that lives life by cringey routines - they're ALL about being lovers in the literal sense. So I hope they can come out sometime, and that it goes well for them, and that people get over it even if there's drama at first.
I personally think that the "power" of the Prince comes from how in tune to their respective sin they are. While Asmodeus is lustful to be sure, he is also very much in love with Fizzaroli which could explain how he is weaker than the others as they could be much more in tune to their sin
...Or it is the other way around, and someone is intentionally tries to weaken Asmodeus by shaming him!
It would be quite in tune to his sin to act more open about his feelings and passions, why others expect him to not enjoy it fully?
It's as if Mammon tried to pretend being broke...
@@epigone1796 Ooooooh, that's a cool idea
@@epigone1796speaking of Mammon I wonder if him and Ozzy have any connections, Ozzy has an unusually greedy green hue to his main eyes and mouth and is a lover to someone who is technically Mammon's property, there may be a toxic partnership between the two princes.
@@azurengamer9392 I think all the princes would have connections to one another but each has different chemistry
That makes sense. Even Beelzebub, we see her actively putting on the brakes and telling Loona to get her dad home when he starts partying too hard.
From the way Crimson’s goes about it, I don’t think Ozzie is the weakest in terms of physical power, but mainly his unwillingness to resort straight into conflict in comparison to the other Sins. After all, he didn’t go to fry Crimson after getting Ozzie back, and he let both Moxxie and Millie live after Millie hurt Ozzie.
And, of course, his relationship with Fizz is his weakness. While Bee is the only other Sun we’ve seen so far, who seems to be rather opposed to straight up confrontation until pushed, we don’t know how the other Sins are until we see them on screen and in action.
And even if he is the physically weakest, he’s only under less than ten other characters, with him still up there in power and easily stronger than the Ars Goetia princes and Overlords. If anything, it’s more impressive that “mere” imps like Striker and Crimson are capable of having these powerful beings like Stolas and Ozzie on the ropes.
I think you also have to consider that Asmodeus here actually seems pretty genuinely chill about being crossed until it threatens Fizz. A Prince of Hell, no matter how powerful, is probably considered weaker by creatures as wardriven as the Imps (and especially an Imp steeped in Greed like Crimson) If they aren't willing to throw down and display that power violently. The consequence for annoying Asmodeus is getting kicked out of his Nightclub, not death, therefore he's considered a "soft" target.
I kinda wanna see all seven sins in the same room together and we’ll get to see a power gap between princes ( except Lucifer, he’s strong as people say he is).
Who's to say they'll fight it's just like the whole stolas vs alastor bullshit
@@june-cz1cw its still intresting to think about and they don't have to fight to see whos higher on the totem poll there sins would most likely revele whos stronger and whos weaker for example like envy would be jealous of the strongest and ignore those weaker and we know gluttony is weaker then sloth due to bee not getting belphigores drugs which if bee was stronger would just take them
@@asuraofwrath true
I largely see Asmodeus being called the weakest sin more of a perception thing. Granted we have only seen 2 but between them Ozzy seems to be the most chill. Bee actually threatened loona with her monster form over an insult and not dealing with the not yet problematic blitz. While Ozzy even though Millie assaulted Fizz, his not so secret lover, business partner and money maker, on stage in plane view and only verbally kicked them out, even though no one would blame him if he physically kicked them out or worse. Also he only threatened violence after a long day dealing with fizz's kidnapping situation.
I think Crimson is just saying that because he thinks Ozzy's affection is a sign of weakness - remember he's a homophobe and a toxic guy who thinks not showing love and being abusive makes him powerful.
They are called the “7 deadly” sins weak or not, a sin is a sin and you have a death wish if you think you could best even 1 of them.
I think Crimson based his opinion on Asmo's general attitude. Like yeah, Bee is chill too but you could see her majorly explode on Loona due to one comment. Meanwhile Asmo put on a performance and told Moxxie and Millie to just leave even after hurting Fizz. Even with the abduction he remained relatively calm. So I think he just either isn't that prone to violence or has a better grip on it, maybe due to the Ars Goetia teachings being against showing emotions of caring so openly if there's no disdain involved.
I actually think his dual title might be working against Ozz rather than benefit him. A lot of people expect Bee and Bael to be the same, but what if she isn't?
That would make Ozz the only Goetia that is a Sin which could indicate that Ozz got his position as Sin to appease the Goetia by having one of their own in the highest echelon of power. This would fit Lucifer as he would essentially make the nobility more compliant by making them feel like they are part of the power structure
Considering how easily Stolas found Blitzo when he was captured by humans, it’s surprising that neither Stolas nor Ozzie seemed capable of finding and rescuing Fizz.
That was basically trapping himself and un trapping himself to appear via humans so idk if it works with hells creature
Blitz is going to the human world through stolas grimoire, so I guess it's no surprise he can easily trace him.
In hell tho, if you don't have some special ability like vox (hazbin overlord) to go through screens I doubt you can trace someone easily
I think it has to do with Asmodeus being the nicest one out of the sins - I read somewhere that even after his fall, he's caring about souls
I mean, he's encouraging ppl to give into the lust, which can go with or without love. He doesn't care, he just mostly wants the spice bit.
I think that the next ones who are similar to asmodeus in this regard are the sun of sloth and beelzebub - considering what we saw of her, she's pretty chill and hanging with hells lowest crowd, just like asmodeus
Those two along with sloth show more compassion to the bottom tier of hell, sloth allowing imps like Barbie to go into rehab, asmodeus club being for imps and everyone else - and beelzebub throwing a party for the hell hounds.
I'm pretty excited to see all the other rings' sins.
Excitement top 3
1:Mammon
2:Satan's armies
3:Leviathan
What about belphegor?
@@Chainsmoker65 The show is good as a whole but the idea of a sea monster theme, a powerful conquerer of hell, and the greed goon are too hype!
I think part of the reason Crimson call Ozzie weak is because Asmodeus open loves and care for Fizzarolli and would do anything for him. Crimson has shown he thinks love is weak and thinks fear equals respect. While Asmodeus, to sum degree at least, cares about is subjects and would rather earn their respect. This is also the major difference between Asmodeus and Valentino.
This the episode I've been waiting for ever since I heard that line, like huh?
I think Crimson sees lust as weak, not because Asmodeus has no strength but because, as you said, he's traded a lot of social and financial power so that succubus can live the same lifestyle he does. I'm still of the opinion that Ozzie is only one step below Bee-lzebub in terms of raw strength and magic, but when it comes to their social status and how they run their rings, Bee-lzebub and Asmodeus are at the very bottom.
I personally think Crimson said that to get under Asmodeus's skin. We haven't seen all of Sins yet and while with the Greed Ring being featured a bit more than others, it's possible that Greed is "more powerful" than Lust. But think about it, if we see how well managed each ring is, Greed doesn't really look like he's got a handle of things in his ring, with crime running wild, Mafia gangs trying to overpower each other, it's hard to say. Also, i don't think the ram and boar heads are just for show that Asmodeus has. Also... Crimson shouldn't talk because he DID get tricked by CHAZ of all demons. Like.. dude, you're head of your Mafia and you didn't VET THE GUY?! I think that's a characteristic of Greed for Crimson, much like Striker, their need for power and glory plus with Crimson, looks like he wants to become an overlord of the Greed Ring, they're not the brightest. I think we have yet to see Ozzie's true power and we might get that later. thought a littttle bit disappointed that Ozzie wasn't paying attention to the contract, but i think that was a way to use Stolas in the episode...
Also it might just be a idea from me, but so far Bee is influenced by emotions around her or what she calls "energy", it may not be the best way to fight and it might be a downfall if she went up against another Sin. She likes to party which fits her Sin!
Wow, I highly doubt that Asmodeus is the weakest sin. Crimson probably said that to get under Asmodeus' skin and the fact he cares for Fizzarolli. Its no wonder why Asmodeus is so angry plus Asmodeus is pretty powerful and he's pretty strong as well.😬😅
i feel like all the sins are equal in power,but it's just what they control that makes crimson think he's weak
I think maybe part of why Crimson called Asmodeus the Weakest Sin is that he doesn't have as much influence outside of his Ring as many of the other Sins do. For example, we know that the sex industry in the Pride Ring is controlled by Val, with Asmodeus probably only being involved at supplying the sex toys for Val's promos; but there isn't any signs that he any said in the matter how that kind of business should be handle. Sure it might be that none of the Sins do have any influence outside of their respective Rings, but if all this contracts talks in this video is true, then its especially true for Ozzie.
This could be why Crimson feels safe to insult Ozzie since he's in the Greed Ring where Ozzie doesn't have the reach to get to him without breaking some deals made with Mammon. Of course this also means that if Crimson or any of his goons try to do something in the Lust Ring, there going to F**ked in a very different way than the usual, like with whatever happened to Crim's lawyer.
I think that Crimson meant weakest as in terms of will not power, meaning he knows Asmodeus won't have the will to murder
At the end of the episode we can see that after it was cut away from the lawyer yelling there was blood on the door handle
I guess thinks is a better word@@HuesOfAnnabelll
I don’t think Asmodeus is the weakest Sin and would probably still put Belphagor.😕 Honestly though, I find it really refreshing that even if Asmodeus doesn’t have as much power/leverage as the other royals, he’s happy with what he’s doing, who he’s with and his people seem overall satisfied with how things are, so it’s not a dangerous/depressing place with lots of death.❤️ I wouldn’t be surprised if that stems from Asmodeus believing Lust shouldn’t be about force and who would rather bring pleasure than pain and suffering.❤
I think Crimson’s dig at Asmodeus was mostly about how he rarely needs to show his strength/fury to rule his people and that Crimson himself views emotional attachments as weaknesses that can be exploited.🤔
*Wow, and I thought envy would be the weakest sin, but I guess even Asmodeus, the Demon Prince of Lust has its limits! Thanks for the new Helluva Boss theory video, Deep Cut from **#CartoonUniverse** !* ;D *Please do a future Helluva Boss theory video on who truly creates aphrodisiacs in Hell since Asmodeus confirmed that making love drugs isn't part of his career to Stolas Goetia in the sixth season 2 episode of Helluva Boss, "Oops"!* ;)
Dude, have you seen what people can do when they have full Envy in them? I think Envy can beat Lust because while Lust mean you enjoy what you love, Envy is someone who crave and want love. I not even suprise why Ozzie dont believe in love potion becuase it mean that both side didnt have "Lust" feeling, it more like control someone without earn the other "Lust" feeling. There a big different between bondage and try to torture someone, you know....
@syabilaazri7834 *Aw, I see .You do make a good point there.☺️ If I remember correctly in the Holy Word , it says that "envy makes you weak, and rots the heart, mind ,soul ,flesh ,blood bones, " and "there are two kinds of wisdom : earthly wisdom which i usually causes envy, selfish ambition, chaos and discord, and heavenly wisdom ,and benevolence, intelligence, purity, selfless generosity , and truth for examples.* 🤗😇
I love how @CartoonUniverse changes his clothes when in other shows
i like my base outfit, but its fun to see slight alterations of it with different colors for different shows. my original had no red but i actually wear a red suit more in real life, so its nice to switch into that for helluva or murder drones. I'd like to do an adventure time sona too maybe.
it's da deepverse of deepcuts! lol.
Ozzy is just enjoying life. He seemed to be a very polite individual who just wants to have fun. Making time for stollas and even accepting his help is a good thing. I want to see them team up again ^_^
seeing stolas acting like a lawyer was pretty funny
@@velvety2006 yup ^_^
I do honestly really like the idea of Asmodeus sacrificing power for his and his succubus's fantasies. In real life, if you want to dedicate yourself to lust and sexual lifestyles, you usually end up sacrificing a lot from effort to prepare for those things, money to invest and the potential consequences of someone using your lifestyle to shame you.
From a source material perspective you are right that Asmodeus has a title in the Ars Goetia but the title has very little to do with power. in the Ars Goetia your ranking shows your power. Beelzebub (Queen Bee) has the same title (King) as Asmodeus but is ranked 1st among the Goetia while Asmodeus is ranked 32nd. Stolas in perspective is ranked 36th and Stolas' father Paimon is ranked 9th.
Andrealphus is ranked 65th
I loved this episode so much, especially Ozzie & Fizz
I didn't take it as Amodeus being the "weaskest sin", physcially, but more as he's the only one who HAS a weakness. Which is Fizzarolli
I would say that Ozzy isn’t weak at all, he’s just really patient, like Bee, I think he resorts to peace first but if pushed too much can get violent, Ozzy probably killed that lawyer dude. He probably doesn’t kill imps because of Fizz. I don’t think a Prince or Princess of a Sin ring should be underestimated at all. They clearly have a huge power against the residents of each Ring.
Can't wait to see what the Envy level looks like, if they ever show it. I don't know how the main group could manage being down there due to the immense pressure.
Calling him the Weakest Sin does track, look at most media where the Seven Sins are brought to life or made into beings, Lust is typically at the bottom of the pack with Envy, Wrath and Pride being the Top Dogs. And it makes sense, Generally I feel like you can divide the sins into
Three Categories
Mostly Non-Violent: Lust, Gluttony, Sloth
In Between: Greed
Violent: Envy, Wrath and Pride.
Lust, Gluttony and Sloth typically are sins of indulgence, which is more about self harm than harming others, Greed is similar but it's more about getting as much stuff as you can, regardless of who it belongs too which can easily lead to violence. However, Envy, Wrath and Pride are usually Sins that are violent by naturee. Envy means you want something or dislike someone because of something they have and either seek to take it for yourself or destroy that person or that thing. Wrath is basically being angry and violent all the time, lashing out at anything and everything that makes you angry, and Pride is basically believing you're above anything, so violence aginast others isn't seen as a problem.
Indeed. Has anyone else noticed that 'Helluva Boss' seems to be introducing us to the Sins in the theological order from least to most severe? (We met the King of Lust first, then the Queen of Gluttony (the second least severe Sin), and if the reported future episode titles on TVTropes are accurate then we're going to meet the King of Greed (third-least severe) next.)
I dont take it as him being weakest in terms of power... just that Fizz is one MASSIVE weakness to him. Have the clows ostage and Ozzie is effectively at your mercy. thats why Crimson called him weak: not because he is lacking in power, but because he has such a massive emotional weakness that can be exploited.
I feel we will get an episode where asmodeus goes crazy and isn’t very weak for the time being maybe his design being a chicken could reflect his personality. He’s a chicken but once you get in his bad side he isn’t so nice, he’s based off a rooster they got spurs that they use to fight and they can leave nasty wounds but also chicken being used as an insult for a weakling or a person who’s scared, but him being a rooster could also just be chickens are called cocks and that’s synonymous with sex but both work
Ngl Asmodeus's face looks like cookie monster 😂 ıts cute lol
I understood Crimson's insult in the sense of emotional weakness, meaning, being attached to anyone (be it a lover or family) is seen ans weak because it makes one vulnerable. Both from a general hellish point of view, but especially from Crimson's. We know how he treated his own family, so I suppose that's the way he jugdes everyone.
But as you pointed out, deals are a very important power factor in hell, and what else would lure anyone into making a deal than emotions? The need for something one cannot achieve easily on one's own is the best motivation for making a deal.
Headcanons: 1. Crimson called Asmodeus the weakest because he is a pretty “benevolent” (by Hell’s standards at least) ruler and as such is not so much feared by his subjects, leading Crim to think he’s not really that powerful. And 2. The Lust Ring is the most peaceful Ring in Hell due the inhabitants being too busy sleeping with each other to cause chaos
My thoughts on this: Clearly Crimson is drowning in his silo-minded illusion of control. I hope someone, both figuratively and literally, smack some sense into him before karma hits him like a stampede of rampaging water buffaloes. (>w
i think in terms of weakest sin he was speaking in terms of his will, seeing how he can be swayed by emotions such as genuine love seen with Fizz. while other sins don't seem to be extremely attached even if we count beel if she really had to she could drop vortex if needed just because of the nature of her sin being gluttony. she can have as much as she wants whenever she wants and that can extend with hell beasts.
I took this as just Crimson putting on a big act because he had Fizz, and he rightly knew that this gave him the edge over Asmodeus and also rubbing in the fact that more and more of hell was starting to find out about the nature of his and Fizz's relationship (like with the article in the magazine Fizz crumpled up). In any other situation there's no way he'd be able to say something like this Ozzie, because even if he is the weakest of the sins he's still infinitely more powerful than crimson or any imp for that matter.
6:49 this video just tells me that this series is sticking around for a good minute
Knowledge of high ranking contracts kinda has me worried for Charlie. The only person higher on the totem pole than her is her father, so the effects of her contract with Alastor could be very harsh
Your little oc is the cutest thing ever omg he has such a cool design
I think that Mammon has made a contract with Asmodeus related to Fizz and it costed Asmodeus quite the amount of power
Would Asmodeus and fizz’s relationship going public really be that big a deal? It’s already the “worst kept secret in all of hell” and how scandalous could it be when Lucifer’s daughter is running around trying to redeem sinners?
Even then, what are they gonna do? Crimson got lucky with fizz deciding to go on his own without security, a chance like that not gonna happen again.
And asmodeus like all demon probably has a beast form as well that he only showed parts of when he was angry,
Also you know Crimson would never have the balls to even try this kind of stunt with Satan or Lucifer, especially Satan. Dude probably would sooner admit he loves Moxxie than piss of the literal Sin of Wrath.
He doesn't love Moxxie though.
Glad you covered the topic I suggested! Thanks
My guess is Crimson would probably consider Satan the most Dangerous or Threatening of the Sins, even more than Lucifer since when it comes to Wrath, Violence is Always the Answer. I wouldn't be surprised if Satan is the Sin that most demons are the most afraid of due to his likely extremely violent temper and strength.
@@emanuelbaigorria3932ya Lucifer is probably the second or third strongest in the show I say third because I don't know if Michael exists or not he is literally Fated to kill Lucifer.
@@emanuelbaigorria3932 I'm not saying Lucifer is weak I'm just pointing out he would be only the third strongest if Michael exists in the show universe which I have no idea if he does but it is a pretty big thing in most dipcsons of Michael to stronger then Lucifer and the one to smite him down but i will say this i haven't seen the heaven highraocy so i don't know where Lucifer stands among other high rank angles and if Michael did exist it would make sense for him to be the only angel stronger than him I'm just going off what think from the media I've seen or read.
@@emanuelbaigorria3932 by the way I'm not really religious I just like all forms of mythology and fantasy.
I think picking Lust as the weakest of the sins makes perfect sense.
In Dante's Inferno, just a small fanfiction some may have heard of, it's the least worst sin as it's a sin born out of lack of self control, in comparisson to other more major sins that have you make very conscious choices to be bad or at least is far more harmful to others, compared to Lust anyway.
All other sins are more destructive and overall harmful in comparisson. Making Lust and by extension Asmodeus the weakest is a deliberate choice to reflect reality.
So I think Lust is the weakest sin because it's the least harmful.
And making the Princes of hell only as powerful as their sins are harmful makes sense, does it not?
Doesn't make sense. Lust is one of the worst and things like wrath could easily be argued to be a lack of control.
@@pancakepop680 Did you even read what I said?
Yes one may argue that Wrath is just as much of a sin you can't control, but it's infinitely more harmful than Lust. Wrath is the sin of violence and it directly causes harm to those surrounded by it... how is that a weak sin?
Also please explain to me how exactly Lust is destructive or rather how it's more so than the other sins. Just claiming it is, isn't a great argument. Prove your point with an example or at least explain what you mean.
Ozzie seems to embody "you don't need power to be happy," as even if he is the weakest he clearly enjoys the life he has
You know it’s just occurred to me - there is always constant confusion between lust and envy because most people fail to see the distinction between them, seeing them more as two sides of the same coin. What if Asmodeud is the weakest sin not because he GAVE away power, but because he SEALED it away to not be reminded of his ‘possible’ association to Leviathan?
based off of the newest Ep, where we get to See both Ozzie and Mammon in their beast modes, it brings into perspective wether or not Asmodeus can use the fire that surrounds his hands and neck, and we've seen the impeccable damage fire can do, and while Greed seemed quite dangerous, i think that Ozzie's concerns mainly stems from Fizzarolli being an Imp, and the things (if he's not careful) can happen to him in that kind of place without a bodyguard or Asmodeus himself by his side.
Yeah, Mam tried to blow them up by teleporting and yet Ozz and Fizz were the only ones unharmed.
My headcanon is that Crimson only referred to Asmodeus as that due to his lack of commitment to his assigned sin as a result of his relationship with Fizz, nothing specifically to do with literal power/strength.
Alot of the breakdowns im seeing of him as the weakest sin sounds like people are thinking of weakest in a power level kind of thing. Its kind of obvious in context Crimson sees him as weakest in a more social/emotional context. Asmodeus doesnt seem to go out of his way to be evil and his attachment to fizz makes ozzy more pliable to demands which the other sins likely arent(though i guess bee might be? idk)
The OG list is usually:
Pride
Envy
Wrath
Sloth
Greed
Gluttony
Lust
And while not the strongest, it’s still a major Sin, legit one of the most terrifying demons. The ring they are in is most likely just the size and production rather then power in this case.
Considering that Asmodeus's demons are stated in these episode to be some of the few demons that can reliably and legally trabel to the human realm, that would mean that he may be the only sin that can influence humanity efectibly.
That would imply that Lucifer gave Asmodeus special benefits, so either he is supper loyal to the king of hell and lucifer is rewarding that loyalty, or he is more useful or powerful than the other sins and lucifer wants to ensure Asmodeus loyalty and usefulnes by probiding him with "gifts" that would keep him in good terms with the king of pride while working to lucifer benefit (remember that other sins like Mammon are not completly loyal to lucifer and sometimes take advantage of him like what happend with LooLoo land).
That would put Asmodeus as one of the most powerful sins of hell, maybe the top three.
It honestly depends on who is drawing Ozzie in comparison of just raw power. Remember in S1 Ep7 during the House of Asmodeus song , Ozzie lays down in front of Moxxie to sing "Little imp, you came here to sing your serenade~." In that scene, he looks about as big as Bee's "beast mode." But in this new episode, he seems a lot smaller.
My guess is because he doesn’t go out of his way to use his power that often and crimson thought he’d found the perfect weakness. I feel like he’ll be on the warpath and prove just how wrong crimson was
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I always considered what Crimson says as an attempt to make Ozzie angry so that he would be more likely to sign the first contract.
The "I have four of them" guy makes Lust sound like one of the worst places.
In the Divine Comedy, lust is represented as the weakest sin. This is emphasized by being the first capital sin that Dante comes to in the second circle of hell.
It's not so much represented as the "weakest" sin but the one that is most forgivable. In Christianity, at least, the Seven Deadly Sins are all still considered to be forgivable, if one repents. One commonly held thing is that the one truly unforgivable sin is Despair. It's where the other seven stem from, but also something more.
It's the conviction that one is damned absolutely, a repudiation of the power of the savior, of the power of grace and forgiveness that is infinite in the Abrahamic deity. The "seven deadly sins" are attached to objects of the world, and are still forgivable in that one can overcome them. But Despair is... different. It bleeds out, beyond the ego-centered self, relates to no desire, no thing. It is complete and total surrender.
Well. Im not sure in terms of power how powerful the Demon lords are in each ring, but all look powerful to me. I like Asmodeous the most though.
It's interesting how in the same scene where he's called weak, it then proceeds to have him nearly explode with a rage that literally shook the building around him. My man. If *that* is weak for a Sin, Asmodeus is the tip of the iceberg.
I wouldn't read too much into the statement. Moxxie's dad thought Ozzy was the weakest prince because he has someone he loves who can be used to exploit him. I don't think it can be used to describe how much he can personally mess you up one way or another.
It's crazy to think our bee-loved Beelzebub might have actually fought the war against God in Heaven alongside Satan and Lucifer (possibly other Deadly Sins too). That would put her on a whole other level of badass!
One chart I've seen would go From weakest to strongest sin, they go Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and finally at top, Pride.
That said he'd be still in Top 7 of Ars Goetia, and one of the deadliest demons in hell.
I think Crimson was just insulting Ozzy. But it could be argued that Ozzy has more weeknesses despite being greatly powerful. He's having a secret relationship (but everyone knows) with an imp that can't fight, which can get kidnapped and used as leverage like in the episode. Ozzy is noticeably nice to his staff which makes him appear "soft" which many see as weak even if that individual is very dangerous. So Ozzy might not be the weakest but he's not taken seriously enough that demons like Crimson consider him the weakest.
I thought he was calling him weak when it came to saving the biggest secret he had which was being in a relationship to fizz
I feel like the statement wasn't quite as literal as people make it out to be. I think what Crimson meant by weakest was that he had the most exploitability in the form of his attachment to Fizz. Despite being a demon of Lust, he may perhaps be the most sentimental out of the 7 sins and more attached to things; thus being viewed as "Weaker" in comparison to the other sins. That's at least how I viewed it.
Pretty clear Crimson doesn't think much of homosexuals, looking at how he treated his son, so possible he just assumes Asmodeus is weak because he's in a relationship with another male.
Oh, that sounds plausible, good catch.
one idea ive had is that asmodeus having two roles (sin and goetia) might actually make him less powerful in the hierarchy of the sins, since he isnt purely devoted to his sin and likely has some family duties as a goetia. plus since hes a goetia (who have been shown to at least be killable if not just a high ranking mortal hellborn species) it might be possible for him to not be the first prince of lust. in fact if you look at the architecture of the lust ring it could suggest as much since ozzies and surrounding clubs as far as can be told are in a more 70s-80s lounge type of style while asmodeus and fizz's place is much more modern looking, although that could just be marketing ofc.
Actually, i wonder if Ozzie have a rivally with ruler of Envy becuase when Ozzie have a talk with Stolas, he mention that he didnt believe in love potion. So does that mean that there are demon who sell love potion on hell becuase out of all Sin in Hell, i not suprise that Envy sell one of those thing with how "Lust" want to enjoy what they love and "Envy" crave and want to be love
perhaps in a future episode we will see how Ozzie, Fizz, and Mammon all met. It would be interesting to contrast Ozzie and Fizz meeting and relationship developing with how Stolas and Blitz’s has. We need more information on Ozzie and Fizz pasts to do that though.
Whether or not Ozzie is the weakest of the sins, Crimson still has an impressive amount of audacity to try to challenge him
It would make sense that Sloth and Lust are the weakest of the sins, since they are both nonviolent sins.
In the episode Ozzy even says that he doesn't do "love potions" because lust isn't about force, it's about seduction. From a meta sense, that could be just trying to make a consent comment, but it's not inconsistent with the other rings.
At Beez' party, she is all about gluttonous behavior but only if you are really enjoying it. She dislikes that Blitzo is masking his pain by indulging, though she isn't going to make it worse by calling him out right away. Even when she snaps at Loona, she apologizes and ropes it in quickly.
And Sloth is all about being lazy and doing drugs, but it also has the good medical clinics, rehab centers, etc.
It seems like some of the sins are about indulging in the sin, but not getting lost in it. Even Ozzy and Fizz being more honest about their relationship shows this. Lust is about having a good time, but if you're not having a good time (either because you're denying the love part of your relationship, or because you don't want to do the lust part) then you're doing Lust wrong.
I think Asmodeus is the weakest sin purely by how impatient he is with contracts. Man was really about to give all of his assets because he wants it over and done with. The one that he actually agreed to, as read out and explained by Stolas, means he's sacrificed everything in the Greed ring, which is a pretty big deal but I guess Fizzarolli is worth that. I think he sits at the bottom of the sins, but is far more powerful than the Ars Goetia in terms of raw strength, less so than some with political power.
There is also the possibility that Crimson views Asmodeus as "weak" due to the fact that the latter has feelings. We've seen from flashbacks the way Crimson has treated both his wife and child, he belittles Moxxie for his past relationship with Chaz and his current marriage with Millie, so it's safe to assume that for Crimson love is weakness.
You can also say that this might not be the case, since at least two of the other Princes of Hell are in happy relationships- Lucifer being married to Lilith and Beelzebub being in a relationship with Vortex, however, unlike them, Asmodeus keeps his relationship a secret, and from Crimson's point of view this is nothing but a demonstration of the Prince of lust's inability to keep his life stable.
Just a theory, but maybe the power of the sins (or at least how Crimson might see it, looking at how he conducts business himself), depends on how predatory the sin is. Lucifer is exempt from this rule as he is the one who structured Hell, nobody is going to question his authority anytime soon and the Pride Ring also not necessarily centered around Pride... But when we put Lucifer on the top, we can actually separate the remaining 6 sins in two groups. The sins that you can commit to yourself and don't require a second party and the sins that are almost exclusively require a second party, a victim party.
In the first group, the sins against oneself are:
- Gluttony;
- Lust;
- Sloth.
All sins to affect others but in general terms don't require a second party. Gluttony is one's overconsumption of food and drink, you don't require others to keep your food or alcohol addiction going. You are doing it on yourself, to yourself. Similar with Lust, sex addiction doesn't require a second party, as perfectly illustrated with the focus on sex toys in the show. Asmodeus also makes it clear that Lust should be consensual, so for him, the perfect victim of his sin is someone who embraced their sexual vices. As for Sloth, they are literally too lazy to affect others. It is all about doing as little possible. Sure, others have to pick up the slack but in a way, sloth is literal inaction.
In the second group, the sins against others are:
- Envy;
- Greed;
- Wrath.
These are the sins that have to be committed to others in order to be work (or at least strongly encourage it). Envy is being envious of others. You want something others posses or want them to not posses it. For Envy to work you require another and in extreme cases, you will act on this envy by harming said person. With Greed, it is technically not necessary to have others as you could simply hoard what you already have but as shown in the series, those in Greed live to exploit others. If you want more money, you have to take it from others by any means necessary. As for Wrath, on who are you going to unleash your rage than on others? Others will be most likely the victim of your anger, often in the form of physical violence.
And as a Wrath Imp who have chosen Greed as his new sin, it isn't hard to see why at least for Crimson (but probably also others), the three who don't require a victim are already the weaker sins and the less exploitative the sin is, the lower the power level.
So the Hierarchy based on exploitation is probably:
- Pride
- Wrath
- Greed
- Envy
- Sloth
- Gluttony
- Lust
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