I've watched a few tutorials now on serving with the continental grip and this video has been the easiest to understand. I like how you explain it with a more natural approach rather then a robotic structured analysis (as others on RUclips do).
Very useful. Do you know who among pros first use continental grip + pronation to serve? I’d imagine when tennis first invented, people use forehand grip without pronation to serve. Thanks 🙏
Hi Jack, I actually don't know specifically, but like all players, pros had to start somewhere and more than likely made the adjustment from forehand to continental. Best, John
I started fixing my frying pan serve and my serve started going out wide. Thanks for saying that will be like that for a while, and that I am on the right track.
I just cannot bear it anymore and just have to say that this myth of grip and serve and generating power just exposes how limited the knowledge is regarding the mechanics of throwing or similar lever mechanics. To be clear the grip position is only relevant if there is pronation in the hand. If there is no pronation in to out ie palm out, then the continental grip is not needed. Just think of the inverted serve where the slice is created to go in to out ie reverse slice direction. Power is not the issue. To be clear baseball throw and basketball throw do not use pronation. This is a tertiary lever mechanism that only occurs beyond the hand. Ie in an extended racket and racket face. Please stop comparing the tennis serve to throwing. Throwing doesn’t involve pronation of the hand but rather the arm. The hand levels palm down in a throw not palm out. The tennis serve is a unique biomechanics and comparing it to throwing is a short cut maybe to help but it is ultimately misleading.
Thanks for your rant, Ken. Of course the grip position is relevant to pronation, which by the way is not in the hand, but originates in the shoulder. The continental grip is needed, because a forehand grip doesn't activate a full range of motion which includes long-axis rotation/ pronation into contact. The motion of pronation begins before contact, not only after contact as you say. The coordination of the shoulder rotation and swing rhythm are the same for throwing and serving. The exception being the pronation, although quarterbacks generally pronate more than say baseball pitchers. And speaking of which, in my 40+ years of coaching, EVERY player who can throw develops a powerful and natural motion very quickly...the proof is in the pudding. Best, John
You do realize thay "pronation" in the serve is also done with the entire arm? And how are you going to do any of that without a continental grip. You can reach 100 mph with a forehand grip, but getting it in is a big issue. I've also never seen anyone reach 110 mph + without a continental grip.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten yes. Pronation is nominally seen in the forearm rotation but technically it involves the shoulder. To be clear the continental grip is used as a neutral starting place to add spin and shape to the basic serve without necessarily changing the swing path of the arm but rather change the angle of pronation or slice. It also allows neutral racket face at pronation but the two are wholly independent as illustrated by a flat serve compared to a slice or kick.
I've watched a few tutorials now on serving with the continental grip and this video has been the easiest to understand. I like how you explain it with a more natural approach rather then a robotic structured analysis (as others on RUclips do).
Thank you for the kind feedback! I hope you benefit from all the content here on the channel. Best, John
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Great explanation - now to work on my shoulder mobility
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Very useful. Do you know who among pros first use continental grip + pronation to serve? I’d imagine when tennis first invented, people use forehand grip without pronation to serve. Thanks 🙏
Hi Jack, I actually don't know specifically, but like all players, pros had to start somewhere and more than likely made the adjustment from forehand to continental. Best, John
I started fixing my frying pan serve and my serve started going out wide. Thanks for saying that will be like that for a while, and that I am on the right track.
Hi Lan, Thanks for your feedback and keep up the practice...you'll get there! I hope you benefit from all the content here on the channel. Best, John
Great video, thanks a lot - going to post it to relevant tt discussion 😊
Thank you so much! Best, John
I just cannot bear it anymore and just have to say that this myth of grip and serve and generating power just exposes how limited the knowledge is regarding the mechanics of throwing or similar lever mechanics. To be clear the grip position is only relevant if there is pronation in the hand. If there is no pronation in to out ie palm out, then the continental grip is not needed. Just think of the inverted serve where the slice is created to go in to out ie reverse slice direction. Power is not the issue. To be clear baseball throw and basketball throw do not use pronation. This is a tertiary lever mechanism that only occurs beyond the hand. Ie in an extended racket and racket face. Please stop comparing the tennis serve to throwing. Throwing doesn’t involve pronation of the hand but rather the arm. The hand levels palm down in a throw not palm out. The tennis serve is a unique biomechanics and comparing it to throwing is a short cut maybe to help but it is ultimately misleading.
Thanks for your rant, Ken. Of course the grip position is relevant to pronation, which by the way is not in the hand, but originates in the shoulder. The continental grip is needed, because a forehand grip doesn't activate a full range of motion which includes long-axis rotation/ pronation into contact. The motion of pronation begins before contact, not only after contact as you say. The coordination of the shoulder rotation and swing rhythm are the same for throwing and serving. The exception being the pronation, although quarterbacks generally pronate more than say baseball pitchers. And speaking of which, in my 40+ years of coaching, EVERY player who can throw develops a powerful and natural motion very quickly...the proof is in the pudding. Best, John
There are more similarities than none. Also the shape of object you’re throwing matters. Throwing a football tend to pronate than a basketball.
Hi Jack, Thanks for your comments and contribution to the video! Best, John @@bournejason66
You do realize thay "pronation" in the serve is also done with the entire arm? And how are you going to do any of that without a continental grip.
You can reach 100 mph with a forehand grip, but getting it in is a big issue. I've also never seen anyone reach 110 mph + without a continental grip.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten yes. Pronation is nominally seen in the forearm rotation but technically it involves the shoulder. To be clear the continental grip is used as a neutral starting place to add spin and shape to the basic serve without necessarily changing the swing path of the arm but rather change the angle of pronation or slice. It also allows neutral racket face at pronation but the two are wholly independent as illustrated by a flat serve compared to a slice or kick.
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