Shin's winrate will go up 10% just by getting adrenal glands consistently and on time. It hurts so much watching him miss it. The man should tape a sticky note to his monitor.
I really want to know if he gets all disappointed at himself when he suddenly realizes and researches adrenal 20 minutes after hitting hive. We need to get to the bottom if he’s just intentionally not researching it. Caught a pig cast recently that said over on Winters casts, Shin not getting adrenal glands has become a meme. Maybe winter just only casts adrenal-less Shin games. We need answers!
@@eldenbling2615 yes! Late and early units are the most difficult to balance but they amplify the importance of striking a balance between strategy and tactics. It’s also Protoss’ biggest issue, which used to be a strong point.
@@adrenaline98 They didn't do any balancing to the ultras, they just fixed them. Ultras have been broken since Wings Of Liberty released. They were like elephants afraid of mice. Just step on the damn zerglings, get in there and fight!!!
@@TysonJensen lmao and even more hilarious is Winter actually plays the beacons been lit piece longest for Shin. Can actually picture Aragorn saying Gondor calls for aid when Shin researches adrenals.
So SHIN is ragnarok.....no wonder why I just can't force myself to think he is good, his zerg is like losing 90% of the time in a game but just somehow wins the game with random attacks without any form of clear advantage. He is clearly not gifted like Dark or Rogue but just somehow can pull off certain games that can't even be won by Dark or Rogue. He is like the main character in an anime who wins with friendship and love of the zerg army.
I think I know why shin is so good, he's basically the opposite of serral. Serral gets to the point where he can bank indefinitely, shin never has more than a 1000 in the bank because he's constantly throwing things at the opponent and macroing perfectly to replace that.
Discounted hatcheries gave me a really cool idea. What if all/most zerg buildings were similar to creep tumours and had an ability to make another of itself at a discounted price. The range would be limited, you wouldn't need a drone, and the most 'expensive' component would be an increased building time or time that isn't spent researching upgrades or building units. It'd make the whole 'hive' thing way more natural, especially with multiple hatcheries in the same area.
@rmelzhim6033 truly an idea that should be explored. If Terrans can call down health for their depots and Protoss get Energy recharge, it would be safe to assume zergs would like a cool new switch up that doesn't involve the queens. (As a zerg player, I hate the Hydra dash. It's stupid looking and barely impactful, plus they stole from the hydra speed upgrade to give us this. It might not be a nerf. But it looks and feels like crap)
I have head cannon that Shin lings can only have 1 upgrade on his lings, its either speed or adrenal. One day he will skip speed so he can have slow lings with adrenal.
Adrenal glands is just shins's final form, which he has yet to reach. Legend has it one day he will research it to stop protoss from winning a tournament.
The Uthermal callout! Love it. Been watching so many of his videos. Would love to watch you cast some of his next tourney vids. Whichever one he plays in next.
40:42 damn maybe if he had dropped a depo there the roaches wouldn't get in just a reminder that we can indeed do this even while playing I tend to forget it even heals the depo
I need someone to explain this to me, seriously and legitimately from a position of knowledge, not mere speculation. Terran vs Zerg. Marine medivac versus ground-only army. The medivacs pull units out of attack range. WHY don't Zerg players mix in a hydralisk or two into their forces for anti-air? Even if it's not going to take medivacs down in a single volley, at least you'd be discouraging them from sticking around, maybe slowly damage them over the course of the game forcing repairs and wasted resources plus being out of action for a while, right? Why not have a couple hydralisks, even as a quick reaction force to stay out of the main fight so they don't die but stroll up after the units get brought in to poke at them? The entire Terran strategy there is a purely ground force with VITAL air support, so why is there no anti-air included _*at all?_ Is it really so unthinkable to have hydralisks? I know they require their own extra building but even then having them means you can adapt if the Terran changes strategies on you, doesn't it? Are pros really so locked in to "template or nothing" mentalities? And I'm not mentioning queens for anti-air because I get it; they're too slow off of creep and while they can heal units it's nowhere near as effective as the Heal Beam Plane, so they're not the ideal unit for general attack use. But then again, why not have one along just in case, and if it can't keep up or you go off creep, oh well, it can catch up eventually? I know, I'm no kind of Starcraft 2 player, I'm old, and I played Protoss in the single online game I ever tried, but _these are pros,_ shouldn't they be able to do better than I could?
Plato here. Shin can't see the upgrade on his tab list because its a shadow on the cave wall and he has transcended its purpose and found the sun of knowledge which is you don't need it to win.
Love watching your casts! I havent played sc2 in a long time but your sc evo videos got me returning 😅 Also I just got my first ever multiplayer win in actual Brood War so yippee 🎉
Winter! Happy Thanksgiving Always enjoy your casts But they have to do something with the protos early game balance...but hey it seems they'd rather have us watching Tv? Or Zv? Verses Pv anything
shin has figured it out!! He makes less queens, build a quicker 4th base, make roaches instead of queens. That's why he's getting along with the patch. I think zerg is doing good now. The only problem here is the cyclone.
If you ask me, an ultralisk with the speed upgrade on creep should outrun damn near anything but like hellions or zerglings. Being on creep means the Zerg should have an advantage, and it’s one of the latest game units Zerg can have, why should a tier 1 Terran unit have any form of advantage against a super late game fully upgraded unit on creep?
I believe the idea is that some T3 units are meant to be countered by some T1 units, otherwise they wouldn't have a counter. However in T's case, the marine counters or deals reasonably wel with just about everything which is conceptually idiotic.
They said Ultras need buff so they made them slower and clunkier. They said Hydras need buff so they made them slower. Said Zerg needs more anti air and their solution is to nerf Queen. This is straight up gaslighting
My problem on the ladder is that Idk how to respond to a counter attack. My brain literally shuts down. I also don’t know how to properly position my vipers and infestors. If my attack fails it’s gg for me. I guess I lack the confidence to be able to pull off these higher elo tactics. I’m gold 2 atm
Korean player with 4 letter name "he who shall not be named" Who is that and why is he unnamed? Cheating or something? I haven't followed the pro scene in years
I honestly hate lurkers unless I go sky toss so early they seem so strong . It’s very frusterating. An I seem to play a lot of people 3-400 mmr higher . Makes laddering so aggrivating
Shin's winrate will go up 10% just by getting adrenal glands consistently and on time.
It hurts so much watching him miss it. The man should tape a sticky note to his monitor.
Much like Hero I think he is doomed to always forget at this point.
I really want to know if he gets all disappointed at himself when he suddenly realizes and researches adrenal 20 minutes after hitting hive. We need to get to the bottom if he’s just intentionally not researching it.
Caught a pig cast recently that said over on Winters casts, Shin not getting adrenal glands has become a meme. Maybe winter just only casts adrenal-less Shin games.
We need answers!
tbh i doubt they lose much sleep over it as SC2 is still pretty early game centric as far as i know
im like does he not know the upgrade exists? does no one tell him? did someone hack his pc so its not there? such a mystery
@@Solaxia I can testify that he did get adrenal once, but I guess it must've been a mistake.
I'm so happy seeing Ultras actually attack instead of just dancing in the back line
@@eldenbling2615 yes! Late and early units are the most difficult to balance but they amplify the importance of striking a balance between strategy and tactics. It’s also Protoss’ biggest issue, which used to be a strong point.
@@adrenaline98 They didn't do any balancing to the ultras, they just fixed them. Ultras have been broken since Wings Of Liberty released. They were like elephants afraid of mice. Just step on the damn zerglings, get in there and fight!!!
I always root against Zerg, but I too am happy to see Ultras doing their thing and doing it well!
epic music queues: Terran gets battlecruisers. Protoss gets a mothership. Shin remembers to get adrenal glands. 🤣🤣🤣
@@TysonJensen lmao and even more hilarious is Winter actually plays the beacons been lit piece longest for Shin. Can actually picture Aragorn saying Gondor calls for aid when Shin researches adrenals.
Cues
Shin really be taking Dark`s spot as the most casted player these days🥲
Where’s my boy dark :(
At this point I truly think adrenal glands are just a troll to piss the viewers off.
Am I crazy for thinking he actually plays a better Zerg than Dark (sans adrenal failure), but obviously not as creative?
He's gotten pretty good compared to his old self. Im enjoying his rise.
We watched him beat Maxpax the other day 2-1 I think
@@lastleft5809 he’s def a lot better than he was for sure
Winter-friend single handedly keeping the SC2 casting alive and entertaining. o7 bro
Man is shin just playing every single game in the world rn
Every Shingle game in the world rn
@@NealHoltschulte I read this in a Sean Connery voice.
My Ex-Wife use to tell me I have 2 major faults, 1- I don't listen and... something else
Well you would know the second thing if you listened...
And a tiny pee pee
Hahaha my wife appreciated this one 😂😂
Mine says i m misogynistic ... But what dose she know? Shes just a woman.
@@durpasaur3052 hence the joke, proving his ex-wife right about the 1st major fault lol
I just checked The Republic and Plato also don't have an explanation for Shin missing adrenal glands while still making 'lings
That is most certain.
doublecheck the bit on men of bronze
10:00 Winter acknowledges Uthermal. As a fan of both SCII celebrities, that brought a smile to my face.
I’m a fan of uThermal too. Watching him winning against GMs with exactly one unit or beating 32 cheating AI shouldn’t be as entertaining as it is. 🤣
@gilbertallard306 Thermal has a heart of gold :') quite possibly the most pure of all of us
He doesnt mention uthermal at all at that timestamp. I'm super confused.
@@ok-ub8iw Sorry, I was looking at the game timer. It’s at 10:00 in the RUclips video.
@@ok-ub8iw he does in the stream. Occasionally I post the wrong timestamps too. Gilbert not lyin’
Byun pun ideas:
- Byunderwhelming
- Byund repair
- Byunder (blunder)
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Almost died laughing when Shin start just randomly yeeting Hydras around 🤣
I need to see players start doing individual lunges to avoid damage. I.e. Blink Hydras
@@johningles1098my God that sounds terrifying
The cooldown is to short
Love your videos man, been watching you for years.
Guess I felt like showing my appreciation in a very small symbolic way.❤
“In fact, Shin has been leveling up lately…” as Shin misrallies two free roaches to their death at the exact same moment. 😂
Plot twist- He doesn't get the upgrade just to annoy winter
So SHIN is ragnarok.....no wonder why I just can't force myself to think he is good, his zerg is like losing 90% of the time in a game but just somehow wins the game with random attacks without any form of clear advantage. He is clearly not gifted like Dark or Rogue but just somehow can pull off certain games that can't even be won by Dark or Rogue. He is like the main character in an anime who wins with friendship and love of the zerg army.
I think I know why shin is so good, he's basically the opposite of serral. Serral gets to the point where he can bank indefinitely, shin never has more than a 1000 in the bank because he's constantly throwing things at the opponent and macroing perfectly to replace that.
So shin is... Cure in disguise?
At this point i’m convinced Shin forgoes Adrenal Glans on purpose to spite Winter.
Still waiting for the video where the first queen lives the entire time and the entire cast is from Brenda's point of view.
Shin researching Adrenal Glands is Rock Lee dropping his ankle weights XD
@@alexanderdaus3125
Or him releasing his bankai? XD
Discounted hatcheries gave me a really cool idea. What if all/most zerg buildings were similar to creep tumours and had an ability to make another of itself at a discounted price. The range would be limited, you wouldn't need a drone, and the most 'expensive' component would be an increased building time or time that isn't spent researching upgrades or building units. It'd make the whole 'hive' thing way more natural, especially with multiple hatcheries in the same area.
@rmelzhim6033 truly an idea that should be explored.
If Terrans can call down health for their depots and Protoss get Energy recharge, it would be safe to assume zergs would like a cool new switch up that doesn't involve the queens.
(As a zerg player, I hate the Hydra dash. It's stupid looking and barely impactful, plus they stole from the hydra speed upgrade to give us this. It might not be a nerf. But it looks and feels like crap)
That's a very interesting idea
21:40 " you can go through the back door here ...wich is a fun strategy " .. got me dying lmao .
I have head cannon that Shin lings can only have 1 upgrade on his lings, its either speed or adrenal. One day he will skip speed so he can have slow lings with adrenal.
Adrenal glands is just shins's final form, which he has yet to reach. Legend has it one day he will research it to stop protoss from winning a tournament.
Micro Jackson gives me a chuckle every time
This video needs 1,473 likes
Edit: I GOT IT RIGHT! :D
45:04 had me dying XD
Ultras should've just been given Colossus ability to walk over top of most units. Push priority is such a dumb bandaid.
Winter - nice to watch your channel grow dude. Well deserved - may the force be with you
The Uthermal callout! Love it. Been watching so many of his videos. Would love to watch you cast some of his next tourney vids. Whichever one he plays in next.
Thank you, Winter, for consistently helping to expand the lore for Queens..
Shin keeps getting better, he destroyed ByuN quite convincingly.
Byun is incredibly good at picking everything up just before it gets melted
Weird question: in Zerg vs Zerg, can the Ultralisk push past enemy changelings?
I love when winter wants my day to get better ❤
Not getting Adrenal this often and this consistantly is literally gold tier play 😂😂😂
nice narration on game two!!
Thank you Winter for making my day a little bit better!
When Shin researches Adrenal Glands, Ragnarok will come.
I watch these daily for the Brenda and Susan queen conversations
This guy got really good at casting.
We have Fusion Core music. Shin gets it when he researchers Adrenal Glands
28:30 What is this camera madness?
40:42 damn maybe if he had dropped a depo there the roaches wouldn't get in
just a reminder that we can indeed do this even while playing I tend to forget it even heals the depo
Cheers!
dude....your the best sc2 commentator....hands down you and pig
I need someone to explain this to me, seriously and legitimately from a position of knowledge, not mere speculation.
Terran vs Zerg. Marine medivac versus ground-only army. The medivacs pull units out of attack range. WHY don't Zerg players mix in a hydralisk or two into their forces for anti-air? Even if it's not going to take medivacs down in a single volley, at least you'd be discouraging them from sticking around, maybe slowly damage them over the course of the game forcing repairs and wasted resources plus being out of action for a while, right? Why not have a couple hydralisks, even as a quick reaction force to stay out of the main fight so they don't die but stroll up after the units get brought in to poke at them?
The entire Terran strategy there is a purely ground force with VITAL air support, so why is there no anti-air included _*at all?_ Is it really so unthinkable to have hydralisks? I know they require their own extra building but even then having them means you can adapt if the Terran changes strategies on you, doesn't it? Are pros really so locked in to "template or nothing" mentalities?
And I'm not mentioning queens for anti-air because I get it; they're too slow off of creep and while they can heal units it's nowhere near as effective as the Heal Beam Plane, so they're not the ideal unit for general attack use. But then again, why not have one along just in case, and if it can't keep up or you go off creep, oh well, it can catch up eventually?
I know, I'm no kind of Starcraft 2 player, I'm old, and I played Protoss in the single online game I ever tried, but _these are pros,_ shouldn't they be able to do better than I could?
This patch is badass. I'm middle Diamond, but if I ever play SC2 again for 1v1, I'm playing Zerg from now on.
The fusion core music for the adrenal lands killed me
I'm a professional sc2 watcher (not player mind you) and love your commentary!
im just gonna say it: i fucking love winter
Hearing you say "dummy thicc" was shocking
I didn't know that Shin was formerly Ragnarok. Interesting!
Plato here. Shin can't see the upgrade on his tab list because its a shadow on the cave wall and he has transcended its purpose and found the sun of knowledge which is you don't need it to win.
Has anyone casted a pro game where both pros have vision of the whole map the whole time?
Love watching your casts!
I havent played sc2 in a long time but your sc evo videos got me returning 😅
Also I just got my first ever multiplayer win in actual Brood War so yippee 🎉
Winter! Happy Thanksgiving
Always enjoy your casts
But they have to do something with the protos early game balance...but hey it seems they'd rather have us watching Tv? Or Zv? Verses Pv anything
shin has figured it out!! He makes less queens, build a quicker 4th base, make roaches instead of queens. That's why he's getting along with the patch. I think zerg is doing good now.
The only problem here is the cyclone.
40 views and 15 likes. Dam Winter, you're one hell of a salesman. Love your vids.
the new map's look nice
Love the uThermal Handicap reference
To be honest ULTRAS are finnaly ULTRAS!❤
Thank You
Om nom nom
In before shin get adrenal glands
If you ask me, an ultralisk with the speed upgrade on creep should outrun damn near anything but like hellions or zerglings. Being on creep means the Zerg should have an advantage, and it’s one of the latest game units Zerg can have, why should a tier 1 Terran unit have any form of advantage against a super late game fully upgraded unit on creep?
I believe the idea is that some T3 units are meant to be countered by some T1 units, otherwise they wouldn't have a counter.
However in T's case, the marine counters or deals reasonably wel with just about everything which is conceptually idiotic.
@ ghost counters them just fine
One thousand four hundred likes for Brenda
10:00 Thermy mentioned
crazy blink micro by shin in the last game
just in time for Dinner
I simp for Daddy Ultra. GG cows OP
New record Susan breaks out under 2 mins haha
It's really sad seeing Byun like this, but it's common these days
They said Ultras need buff so they made them slower and clunkier.
They said Hydras need buff so they made them slower.
Said Zerg needs more anti air and their solution is to nerf Queen.
This is straight up gaslighting
Thx
“…changed his name to Shin because if you are a Korean pro gamer without a 4 letter name, are you even trying?!”
Byun:I dont make ghost and planetarys anyway😂
My problem on the ladder is that Idk how to respond to a counter attack. My brain literally shuts down. I also don’t know how to properly position my vipers and infestors. If my attack fails it’s gg for me. I guess I lack the confidence to be able to pull off these higher elo tactics. I’m gold 2 atm
When he mentioned ultralisk size increase, i felt "just like your mother" was missing. Not a lot mom jokes lately
Korean player with 4 letter name "he who shall not be named"
Who is that and why is he unnamed? Cheating or something? I haven't followed the pro scene in years
Oh I looked it up. I guess he means Life. I didn't know he was banned
Every zerg game now has Shin.
17:05 lol what are the odds for burrowed zergling to block a missile turret
Some day Winter will have a girlfriend called Brenda or Susan living with him. The confusion will be immeasurable.
I watch game.I play game.Game good.Me play bad.Good game .
@1:03:09 Am I blind or is there no link to Wardy's tournament down below?
A D R E N A L I N G L A N D S
AWWWWW!!! AWESOME
Another game brought to you by the IMBA-council
Added my like
I honestly hate lurkers unless I go sky toss so early they seem so strong . It’s very frusterating. An I seem to play a lot of people 3-400 mmr higher . Makes laddering so aggrivating
Can we have dark vs shin one every week 😂
"Like" smashed for more hard hitting analysis:)
How did it come to this
Squirt out a win win win
Micro jackson still sounds like an insult
God it’s so cathartic to see the fungal lock all those COWARDLY terran up with nowhere to run 🤣🤣🤣
I’m doing my part 🫡
Wait Shin is Ragnarok!?
Is LIFE he who must not be named?
probably being dumb but I don't know who he was referring to
*Looking up about life, 2016, doubt it’s who came to mind at all
The forbidden one!!
@@PJOZeus It's probably LIFE. Maybe Winter will tell us.
Come on its obviously voldermort
@@PJOZeus Life's name was erased from basically everywhere due to the damage he caused with his egregious matchfixing.
carapace brenda its a cara-pace
When 3 broodlings jump out of a dead ultra the game will be balanced
i would be happy with a creep tumor spawning from its carcass