Potentially the conditioner is also helping with other heavy loads causing voltage fluctuations. Such heavy loads are typically for heating or cooling. I had a problem with a refrigerator causing noise when switching on/off the compressor even causing my DAC to reset. My outdoor HVAC system is pulling 5,000 Watts through the shared wiring to the house also causing some slight drop. Another heavy load is my dual oven. My house is not too bad, but I've been in houses where you could see the light brightness going down during such load.
My Mark Levinson ML585. 5 integrated amp can often trip the whole P15 reginerator just coming out of standby. So much for a "soft start” amplifier !! It's the only high power device on the P15, plugged into the dedicated HP outlet.
If you spend $20,000 on a power regenerator, audiophile cables, audio tuned fuses, speaker cable lifters etc. you will hear a huge improvement in audio quality. It will be like night and day and worth every cent. Problem is nobody else will hear the difference. Now, if you spend these dollars on quality loudspeakers and improve room acoustics then you and everyone else will hear an improvement. A basic understanding of electronics could save many Audiophiles from spending big money to fix an imaginary problem.
I think at least one of these items mentioned could make a difference, but definitely the speakers/headphones make the most then amp/dac then the rest, cable lifters though, probably not.
I've used a P5 and P12 in my system, both were great with front end components but, unlike the IsoTek Titan mains conditioner, the power plants could not make my 40 watt pure class A power amp purr.
I uses a Richard Gray' s power company 1200c and Substation in one system and a 600s with a pole pig isolation transformer in the other system and it is a must have.
Can I just take the time to mention that putting a PS Audio P10 PowerPlant into my system ranks among the most jaw-dropping moments in my Audio life. I can't conceive of ever running my system without it.
@@SergeySedlovsky What part of "ranks among the most jaw-dropping moments in my Audio life" aren't you getting? Yes, it makes an enormous difference. Probably the single most mission-critical item in my equipment rack. But don't take my word for it. Contact Paul and ask him to send you one to try out for yourself .... they make several models to suit needs and budget. You can just send it back if you're not sufficiently impressed. Paul's a guy who genuinely puts his money where his mouth is.
@@TalosLives I've contacted Paul on the Ask Paul projected we'll see if he answers. Can you say, without the regenerator, are the dynamics out for you like flat for the most part and sometimes, just sometimes you get some? :) That's pretty much what I have here, tonight actually had some decent dynamics on my high-end system (Mostly headphones, Class A system like DAC and Headphone amp both Class A)
Have there been comprehensive technical reports or tests done? If these have been done, then, where may I ask are these published comprehensive technical reports or tests that anyone could view that show that from any source outlet of 15 or 20 amps at average of 120 volt that show that after the ballpark 15% used power by the unit as was stated delivers "the rest of its all perfect beautiful power for you to use" ? Thank You
I remember installing these in car stereos back in the 90s. Too bad we will probably never get realistic prices on home audio versions because I doubt anyone with a moderate home system even knows about these.
My friend has a PS Audio power plant. We listened with it and without it. No difference. Its snake oil. He even admitted he could hear a difference. He said he just likes the look of it. Lol!
I have two 600 watt amplifiers at the price of a p20 I’ll plug them into the wall and I would probably need two p20 to run my hole system properly no thx and by the way the amps are plugged in each into there own Audioquest Niagara and they sound great,the rest of the system is plugged into two ps audio p300 one for digital gear and the other for analog
how much heat do regenerators output using low wattage or idling? ( say for using with just a DAC and a small headphone amp on a hot summer day) or are you just constantly dumping maximum heat like a Class A power amplifier no matter what? Would love to know if anyone has more insight
well you can do it get yourself a variac from 0 -250 V 30 amps. in America set it for 120 volts connect to an LC filter and ideally get some motor run capacitors at 5mF to 7.5 mF 450V autotransformer variac is about $200 LC filter 10$ run capacitor a couple of dollars you won't find or get much better than that, you could put an isolation transformer on the and??
I can't imagine how ANY low wattage signal processing audio gear would demand enough current to create a "voltage sag" (or even voltage ripples) from the incoming AC power to your home. The impedance of the step-down transformers in these devices is much higher than the impedance of the incoming power line and the output voltage typically less than 30 volts. The current consumed by all signal processing devices (ex Power amps) is probably less than 1 amp. If these problems ARE occurring they are probably being triggered by some other residential power user (close by) who is sharing the same utility transformer that your residence is on.
Most All people have other high consumption or contamination power consumption devices that create those sags and/or noise on either or both of their "legs" of 120 volt power and if not at that moment the issue can easily compounded by neighbors electrical use and further contamination as a certain number share off the same overall transformers not to mention how power is shared across the country under load usage sharing and/or all types of power generation noise contamination
Quote: "having too little power will never damage your equipment" - That is absolutely not true. AC brownouts can actually be more damaging that over voltage.
Low voltage is a problem mainly for induction motors, something that is not normally part of audio equipment. The most vulnerable one is a refrigerator, freezer, or A/C compressor motor.
@@spacemissing I agree. But, in the case of things like electronic equipment as the power lead voltage goes down that may cause the power supply to go into what I'll call an "active mode". And all bets are off as to what the circuits the power supply is supporting do. In my case the military circuits I did had low voltage, and high voltage, sensor circuits that quickly turned things off if the voltage feed went outside a chosen range.
But a power conditioner can't stop all potentially damaging surges and spikes. Technically, a regenerator is still only as good as the power getting to it allows, and it can be damaged by extreme conditions. As for lightning, Nothing can stop a large-enough zap from destroying your equipment!
Anyone ever wonder. If PS Audio's power regenerator are SO incredible......why doesnt ANY other company make them? Think that through. Bingo! Its snake oil and there is no market for them. Please don't insult your own intelligence and tell me Paul's team only possesses the knowledge to build them. It's just a clever add on item to go along with their uber expensive amps and speakers Paul sells. Facts.
Who would have thought this? Trump and Paul have more in common then you would think. If Trump would make power plants he would say, they would deliver "perfect beautiful power". And that's how Paul describes it. What can I say? Where we go one we go all :) Peace!!
And they're wrong too...I am steadfast in saying that those who can't hear the diff have busted or not good hearing. I had a Cyber Power power conditioner with soine wave and my system sounded the most clear and sweetest it ever did using it
If you have noisy AC outlet that noise will travel through the amp and into the audio pathway, and that's when you can hear screaming whine from speakers.
They don't have pits, they have reflective and transparent/non reflecting surface areas (that are shallow trenches at the most). And those are defined as 1's and 0's. If you remember your math classes, you will remember that you can always define something as a number, and use it for mathematical calculations. A CD is a practical example of that. You're welcome :)
@@hugobloemers4425 Correction again. There are three kinds of "CD's". Optical as you describe, reflective and non-reflective created by "optical printing". Then there's the write once read many times version. Then there's the write many read many R/W CD's. The latter two were really technical monsters and are all but obsolete today.
@@wilcalint I was talking about the original Compact Disk according the the Philips / Sony original specification. The point is that it is 1's and 0's that are used to code the music.
@@hugobloemers4425 Well that would be Compact Disc Digital Audio - The Red Book en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio The implementation of that can take many different paths and has so over the years. The initial phases are optical, then masking. Waving ones arms over it all and saying it's reflective and non-reflective surfaces is an over simplification. I was once contracted by a Major Label Media Company to do some research on finding a removable media to store digital content. Like it's still readable 100 years after being written. That involved using the engineering staff at 3M. The conclusion of that study found that part of the process of Mastering a standard Red Book CD involved a media that indeed had a life longevity of in the words of the 3M engineering staff, "as long as the age of the pyramids". That was optical. It's all become a mute point now as Red Book media has really become pase'. A good read on this is: Compact Disc manufacturing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_manufacturing
Potentially the conditioner is also helping with other heavy loads causing voltage fluctuations. Such heavy loads are typically for heating or cooling. I had a problem with a refrigerator causing noise when switching on/off the compressor even causing my DAC to reset. My outdoor HVAC system is pulling 5,000 Watts through the shared wiring to the house also causing some slight drop. Another heavy load is my dual oven. My house is not too bad, but I've been in houses where you could see the light brightness going down during such load.
I am getting a P20 this winter. Thanks for the great videos.
Lucky
Enjoy the good weather Mr.Paul 😊 Have A Great Day!!!
Paul: Is this impedance issue also true with typical surge guard power strips?
Interesting question
I just fitted huge transformers and a massive amount of capacitance in my amps, the mains can do what it wants and it doesn't matter.
If You are trying to get the absolute maximum performance out of your amp what you stated is unfortunately PROVABLY incorrect
@@davidcross890 fair enough, you're likey correct, I'm content with what I have.
My Mark Levinson ML585. 5 integrated amp can often trip the whole P15 reginerator just coming out of standby. So much for a "soft start” amplifier !! It's the only high power device on the P15, plugged into the dedicated HP outlet.
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If you spend $20,000 on a power regenerator, audiophile cables, audio tuned fuses, speaker cable lifters etc. you will hear a huge improvement in audio quality. It will be like night and day and worth every cent. Problem is nobody else will hear the difference. Now, if you spend these dollars on quality loudspeakers and improve room acoustics then you and everyone else will hear an improvement. A basic understanding of electronics could save many Audiophiles from spending big money to fix an imaginary problem.
I think at least one of these items mentioned could make a difference, but definitely the speakers/headphones make the most then amp/dac then the rest, cable lifters though, probably not.
I've used a P5 and P12 in my system, both were great with front end components but, unlike the IsoTek Titan mains conditioner, the power plants could not make my 40 watt pure class A power amp purr.
I uses a Richard Gray' s power company 1200c and Substation in one system and a 600s with a pole pig isolation transformer in the other system and it is a must have.
I've never used one but enjoy my music immensely, how is this possible?
me too !
@Douglas Blake well that IS good news, thankyou lol
@Douglas Blake tell that to all who subscribe here, all they do is upgrade all the time haha
My Stellar Power Plant 3 has a Filtered High Current output. Should I skip this and use the wall for my power amp?
Can I just take the time to mention that putting a PS Audio P10 PowerPlant into my system ranks among the most jaw-dropping moments in my Audio life. I can't conceive of ever running my system without it.
Does it really make a difference?
@@SergeySedlovsky What part of "ranks among the most jaw-dropping moments in my Audio life" aren't you getting? Yes, it makes an enormous difference. Probably the single most mission-critical item in my equipment rack. But don't take my word for it. Contact Paul and ask him to send you one to try out for yourself .... they make several models to suit needs and budget. You can just send it back if you're not sufficiently impressed. Paul's a guy who genuinely puts his money where his mouth is.
@@TalosLives I've contacted Paul on the Ask Paul projected we'll see if he answers. Can you say, without the regenerator, are the dynamics out for you like flat for the most part and sometimes, just sometimes you get some? :) That's pretty much what I have here, tonight actually had some decent dynamics on my high-end system (Mostly headphones, Class A system like DAC and Headphone amp both Class A)
Have there been comprehensive technical reports or tests done?
If these have been done, then, where may I ask are these published comprehensive technical reports or tests that anyone could view that show that from any source outlet of 15 or 20 amps at average of 120 volt that show that after the ballpark 15% used power by the unit as was stated delivers "the rest of its all perfect beautiful power for you to use" ?
Thank You
You buy one, do the test yourself at home and if isn’t true then you return it and get your money back. Easy
@@tudorsomkereki9603 Curious, what makes you think it was not already tested?
Paul, fyi. At most modest listening levels barely any watts are called for. Maybe 50 to 100.
I remember installing these in car stereos back in the 90s. Too bad we will probably never get realistic prices on home audio versions because I doubt anyone with a moderate home system even knows about these.
My friend has a PS Audio power plant. We listened with it and without it. No difference. Its snake oil. He even admitted he could hear a difference. He said he just likes the look of it. Lol!
Is it up to the electric company to make sure your home is getting the correct voltage for the service you pay for?
Yes, but it can be dirty noisy power, your fridge won't mind, but you hifi will it seems
@@geddylee501 I know anything with an electric motor or radio transmitter is a nightmare to hifi.
@@randomtube8226 never had a problem, I'm in uk we have 240v 50hz which is different in the US I know, perhaps our power is cleaner lol 👍
🤗GREAT PAUL YOU GOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OUTDOORS…A GOOD THING ANYTIME 🌞💚💚💚
I have two 600 watt amplifiers at the price of a p20 I’ll plug them into the wall and I would probably need two p20 to run my hole system properly no thx and by the way the amps are plugged in each into there own Audioquest Niagara and they sound great,the rest of the system is plugged into two ps audio p300 one for digital gear and the other for analog
how much heat do regenerators output using low wattage or idling? ( say for using with just a DAC and a small headphone amp on a hot summer day) or are you just constantly dumping maximum heat like a Class A power amplifier no matter what? Would love to know if anyone has more insight
well you can do it get yourself a variac from 0 -250 V 30 amps.
in America set it for 120 volts connect to an LC filter and ideally get some motor run capacitors at 5mF to 7.5 mF 450V
autotransformer variac is about $200 LC filter 10$ run capacitor a couple of dollars
you won't find or get much better than that, you could put an isolation transformer on the and??
Do you have those massive new Mono Blocks hooked up to the nuclear power station 🤔🤗😀👍🎵🎶🎶🎵🎵🎶
20amp ded line, Shunyata Research Denali 6000s, Alpha XC power cord.
I can't imagine how ANY low wattage signal processing audio gear would demand enough current to create a "voltage sag" (or even voltage ripples) from the incoming AC power to your home. The impedance of the step-down transformers in these devices is much higher than the impedance of the incoming power line and the output voltage typically less than 30 volts. The current consumed by all signal processing devices (ex Power amps) is probably less than 1 amp. If these problems ARE occurring they are probably being triggered by some other residential power user (close by) who is sharing the same utility transformer that your residence is on.
Most All people have other high consumption or contamination power consumption devices that create those sags and/or noise on either or both of their "legs" of 120 volt power and if not at that moment the issue can easily compounded by neighbors electrical use and further contamination as a certain number share off the same overall transformers not to mention how power is shared across the country under load usage sharing and/or all types of power generation noise contamination
Quote: "having too little power will never damage your equipment" - That is absolutely not true. AC brownouts can actually be more damaging that over voltage.
Low voltage is a problem mainly for induction motors, something that is not normally part of audio equipment.
The most vulnerable one is a refrigerator, freezer, or A/C compressor motor.
@@spacemissing I agree. But, in the case of things like electronic equipment as the power lead voltage goes down that may cause the power supply to go into what I'll call an "active mode". And all bets are off as to what the circuits the power supply is supporting do. In my case the military circuits I did had low voltage, and high voltage, sensor circuits that quickly turned things off if the voltage feed went outside a chosen range.
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I prefer to lose some what or another by using a conditioner, than losing all my equipment to a lightning in my energy line.
But a power conditioner can't stop all potentially damaging surges and spikes.
Technically, a regenerator is still only as good as the power getting to it allows,
and it can be damaged by extreme conditions.
As for lightning, Nothing can stop a large-enough zap from destroying your equipment!
Anyone ever wonder. If PS Audio's power regenerator are SO incredible......why doesnt ANY other company make them? Think that through. Bingo! Its snake oil and there is no market for them. Please don't insult your own intelligence and tell me Paul's team only possesses the knowledge to build them. It's just a clever add on item to go along with their uber expensive amps and speakers Paul sells. Facts.
Who would have thought this? Trump and Paul have more in common then you would think. If Trump would make power plants he would say, they would deliver "perfect beautiful power". And that's how Paul describes it. What can I say? Where we go one we go all :)
Peace!!
✌️
A lot of the Audio community thinks these are snake oil and make no difference to the sound
And they're wrong too...I am steadfast in saying that those who can't hear the diff have busted or not good hearing. I had a Cyber Power power conditioner with soine wave and my system sounded the most clear and sweetest it ever did using it
If you have noisy AC outlet that noise will travel through the amp and into the audio pathway, and that's when you can hear screaming whine from speakers.
@PS Audio: I use your Dectet Conditioner as the power source for all my components.
Is it restricting my BHK 250 amp? Thanks for your feedback! 🙌
@@smiths7317 I would move house if it was that bad! Or a rewire
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They don't have pits, they have reflective and transparent/non reflecting surface areas (that are shallow trenches at the most). And those are defined as 1's and 0's. If you remember your math classes, you will remember that you can always define something as a number, and use it for mathematical calculations. A CD is a practical example of that. You're welcome :)
@@hugobloemers4425 Correction again. There are three kinds of "CD's". Optical as you describe, reflective and non-reflective created by "optical printing". Then there's the write once read many times version. Then there's the write many read many R/W CD's. The latter two were really technical monsters and are all but obsolete today.
@@wilcalint I was talking about the original Compact Disk according the the Philips / Sony original specification. The point is that it is 1's and 0's that are used to code the music.
@@hugobloemers4425 Well that would be
Compact Disc Digital Audio - The Red Book
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio
The implementation of that can take many different paths and has so over the years. The initial phases are optical, then masking. Waving ones arms over it all and saying it's reflective and non-reflective surfaces is an over simplification.
I was once contracted by a Major Label Media Company to do some research on finding a removable media to store digital content. Like it's still readable 100 years after being written. That involved using the engineering staff at 3M. The conclusion of that study found that part of the process of Mastering a standard Red Book CD involved a media that indeed had a life longevity of in the words of the 3M engineering staff, "as long as the age of the pyramids". That was optical.
It's all become a mute point now as Red Book media has really become pase'.
A good read on this is:
Compact Disc manufacturing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_manufacturing
@@hugobloemers4425
1s and 0s are an imaginary thing made up by humans.