Guide Makers FAILED NEW PLAYERS?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- In this video, MrPokke reacts to @hexjuice videos about the struggles of a new player in Honkai: Star Rail, ranging from Dr.Ratio being a bad unit, new player experience with guides, and advice obtained from various guide makers.
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00:00 Intro
00:38 Video #1
00:46 The problem and its consequences
01:45 New player experience in HSR
04:49 Relic farming is miserable
06:24 Why new players can't rely on guidemakers?
08:29 Requirements for DPS units
09:07 Perspective is important
10:32 Acheron spoiled us
12:09 HSR is unwelcoming for new players
13:33 Is HSR complex?
17:11 Why we should care about new players
19:18 Going through conclusions
22:15 Twitter Drama?
22:38 Video #2
22:46 Follow-up purpose
23:41 Guide Maker Advice
27:07 RIP Dual-DPS
29:30 EXPOSED?
31:25 Guidemakers skip information
35:30 Duo DPS is bad for new players
37:14 Conclusions
38:11 Summary
38:39 Outro
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I visited her stream once from a raid, she was failing a SU fight horrendously, chat was giving her legit advice but she got really mad and yelled at chat to stop backseating, even though she has "backseating allowed" tag on her stream. So yeah I wouldn't be surprised she is having trouble. She never listens to chat and calls them dumb, and then she asks for advice from guidemakers, they tell her what they think, and she doesn't listen to them either, and then she calls guidemakers a bunch of scams.
Also only being able to farm for relics at TL65 is the worst advice I've ever heard. It only increases the drop rate by a little bit, you should definitely be farming for relics (at least the mainstats) before then. And the difference with Genshin is that in Genshin the highest reward Artifact domain unlocks at AR45 (which is much earlier), but the lower level ones do not guarantee a gold drop per run so they're literally super inefficient to farm, whereas in HSR the one at TL60 already guarantee 2 gold per run, the TL65 is just a slight chance to drop 3, so it is efficient to farm even before TL65.
damn.. thats unfortunate tbh. shes always struck me as someone fun but i never tune into her streams.. whenever streamers do that i always get so discouraged to even interact at all :/
@@user-oq4mo9ou4j She's very irretable on stream if you argue against anything she says
can imagine how bad the experience would be watching a streamer like that just based on how she argues her points in this video.
"Visited her stream once" "never listens to chat" "tag on her stream" hmm ...
But yeah, the rest of what u said is true
Yeah, start farming relics a little at E3+ to get mainstats from blue/purple relics (or golds if lucky). If you ignore them until the lategame, you're gonna have a rough time.
If anything, telling her to build dr ratio is catering to what she has because at the time, who else does she have to build. She's also setting her baseline on the most broken dps in the game.
Ironically she has a ton of units like Jing Liu
Well this is also how most gacha games work and many of them release characters a lot faster, in most of them the newer units are almost always better.
@heyohworld4067 wait wasn't her whole deal that ppl told her to pull Jingliu this patch instead of Acheron? She already has her?
@@heyohworld4067that’s factually wrong. Hex doesn’t have Jingliu. She asked which she should get and chose Acheron because she thought Acheron was cooler, went off her own instinct even if most guide makers told her to go Jingliu instead.
You can say “why did she ask for help if she was going against the help” but I think she wanted that help so she could get a wider prospective and not to just take it blindly.
Chat also helped her pay for Acheron and her Lightcone. So it was a community pull session.
She will not go for Jingliu yet as she’s going for Aventurine I believe.
Her entire take just comes down to having false expectations of performance based on where she is currently at. Of course Acheron will improve her performance because of how busted Acheron is, so she speeds up her progression process while forgetting that for us OG players (I startled during Luocha banner so I'm almost day 1), we couldn't even do that. There's a lot of hypocrisy to the statement to on the one hand complain about day 1 players making a lot of assumptions but on the other hand expect to just skip the time investment day 1 players have put into the game to be where they're at now and somehow expect to also have the same degree of progress they have despite not being a day 1 player.
It took me well over 6 months until I could begin to properly clear MOC, because it took so much time to build two separate teams. She has Topaz so she started at least around 1.5 or earlier, and to me it's insane that she has the gall to complain about Dr. Ratio when she probably could and should have pulled for Argenti, Huohuo, Ruan Mei and Sparkle which would have been great solo carries for each side. She has Kafka and Black Swan which is fair over Argenti but is definitely a higher cost investment build.
She complains about people being sweaty and how she doesn't like the community to be sweaty, but also wants the game to be handled to her on a silver platter with no real effort put into it from her end. A lot of her issues would have been avoided if she actually cared to respect the game more. I use the word "respect" because I think her approach is similar to how Broken by Concept argues how casual League players want a high rank but refuse to put in the effort to get it. It's just plain disrespectful and self entitled behavior.
Again, it boils down to false expectations. She wants a game she doesn't have to intellectually engage in which is totally fair, but then she also has no right to be mad at the game when the game is clearly more complex than that and deserves to be intellectually invested in in order to progress.
Also, that doesn't mean you have to stare at spreadsheets but to at least try to understand the fundamentals such as team building is the bare minimum one should do. Her take is just a deflection back at the community for not doing the work she herself should be doing.
I just can't get behind the idea that Hex considers it unreasonable to simply read a characters kit and what their abilities do.
that's beside the point she's making, maybe you didn't get it or are just being disingenuous
@@Wells1707It's literally what she said though.
One of her arguments was you shouldn't expect people to read the kits lol.
@@kenkaneki3873If they don't understand it at first, they are less likely to continue reading it and instead seek help from Honkai Star Rail content.
@@Xterminatorr Sure but you have 0% Chance of understanding it if you don't even read it.
Reading it but not understanding it is obviously a different story.
Dude there is literally nothing about speedtuning/AV IN-GAME, there are a lot of intricacies on characters kits that are not well explained as well as the game being translated from Chinese and more often than not some stuff is wrong or lacks information, such as Dr.Ratio's FUA working with DOT, which per definition debuff ≠ dot, but in HSR it is the same@@kenkaneki3873
She's a new player, but has Topaz? I started playing in November (after Topaz banner). I'm almost TB70, have higher clears on MoC/PF, and have no issue understanding guides. Skill Issue tbh
Defo isn’t new the account is at least 5-6 months old.
Seems more like she plays very casually and doesn’t login every day
@@sleepicat The 2nd sentence definitely seems like the case cause she said it takes months to reach TL 65. I swear I was only playing for like a month till I reached that point.
I literally reached the max level in 1½ month and I play casually@@Lacirev
I'm pretty new to the game (about 3 weeks) and when I heard her yapping about "guide makers gatekeeping information" and "what being a new player rlly was" but then saw her almost 65 TBL I laughed, Idk what experience she expects to have in a resource heavy game as Genshin and HSR are.
These games take time and a good resource management to clear endgame content. I come from Genshin and I was very casual for a year until I started farming and attempting abyss (endgame).
Lastly, Dr. Ratio is fine for new players, who else are they gonna build if they did not pull Acheron? Dan Heng?
@@Chrisgarciam Ratio W herta's LC and your personal preference of debuffers, buffers and supports is good enough for most of the early game.
That is funny, she wants to be relatable to new players, but Acheron banner will end and she stop being relatable to new players, because new players will not be able to get Acheron. New players should probably just play story before looking for any guides, make their own mistakes, have fun.
She also doesn't grasp that a new player is only new for a few months. This is the issue with this argument as the longer a game goes on, the less new players there are. In fact, there is a catalogue of content made during the new player experience that you can find by searching for that when the only 5* out was Seele. CC cannot cater to new players as most people seeking out their guides are people who've been in the game for some time or long-term players looking for second opinions for kits.
This isn't a new problem, it's very present in many communities with rpg aspects. She compares to Genshin, but having followed Genshin: most of those guides are designed quite similarly to those of HSR. Same thing for most gachas. It's not on CCs. She's jumping into guides and content aimed at people who've been around the block as why guides tend to recommend various Lightcones a more middle of the row player will have from playing generally for a longer time.
@@shinigamiryan5837 Indeed I found her grievances kinda off considering she has Topaz a unit that was released on October 27 - 2023 according to the wiki, I don't know when the original video was released but just by crunching basic numbers it tells me she has been playing for around 5 to 6 months. Does she considers herlself still a new player? I remember than when I enter this game witouth any knowledge of genshin I was told by genshin player that "resource management is key in this type of games" so I find it really weird that someone that played genshin for so long didn't know this and it's struggling with managing hers.
Her whole rant also falls apart since Ratio as been free for 3 patches and a half and Acheron only got released near the tail end of his duration. Unless you were looking at leaks people wouldn't have even known about Acheron's dmg output for months, are you to tell people to wait for this one character that you know is gonna be great and the reason you know is cause you are breaking the rules to obtain the information and in the meantime don't raise anyone? Fall behind even further?
exactly!
This^
i sort of agree,but a new player definely can get acheron,my niece started 1 week before acheron banner,and did content as fast as she could and focused on getting crystals. she ended getting acheron at c2 with her cone,cause sem farmed so many pulls that were untapped in her account,unlike a veteran account which has alredy sqqueezed all the resources,now if that new player DOES not want to put an effort to play,yeah your point is reasonable
Comparing any unit to Acheron is simply unfair. She's the most blatant example of power creep in the history of the game.
Fr she just does so much more damage than the older units, even my Acheron deals 100K with a mediocre ass build
Thinking of E6ing her on her rerun then I'll be covered for a very long time
@@nitroblaze6696100k on what? Skill/ult?
Thats just how raidens are built, any other unit that comes after her will be jinglius or dhil level at best.@@nitroblaze6696
@@shwix6534ult against 5 enemies 😀
bro literally has kafka, huohuo, sparkle, topaz, bronya, acheron and ratio 💀 idk how you can compare a st damage dealer like ratio to literally the most broken unit in the game. she also has s1 on acheron which im guessing she doesnt have on ratio.
This just feels like she pulled an overpowered unit and is just coasting off raw damage as opposed to actually building good units
she said she farmed relics like 4 times lol. That is exactly what is happening.
@@MrThewhateverchannel The problem is she doesn't need to farm relics now. As you've seen she's TL 64 and are already worrying about damage when that should not be the thing to worry about. You're a new player yet you're worrying about endgame when the endgame is literally built to have low entry level into high level investment. Even building two teams would take you about minimum 3 months to build everything, be it traces and relics.
She’s relying on a new OP unit and not learning strategy, skill issue tbh
@@Saberdud absolutely
@@slippy47 Main stats are important well before TL65 but only main stats, but yeah. I was able to clear SU worlds 6-7 with the relics the game had given me, world 8 gave me trouble until I had proper HP stats on my sustain. Took me a couple days of farming, no fuel required. I do think it's unreasonable to tell ppl not to farm *at all* until TL65, I think it's reasonable at TL60 as long as it's not at the expense of traces and you don't burn up your fuel because main stats bulk up the core of literally everyone's kit. Expecting to 36 star MoC before TL65 is unreasonable tho without financial investment or insane luck.
nah, those takes are dodo from start to finish and i'll die on that hill
-begginer guides exist, if you refuse to learn the basics then dont cry that none explains the basics lol
-guidemakers always highlight budget options for teams/lightcones, if you dont have those maybe you shouldnt build the character or maybe you should aim to get them? if you ignore that then that's a you problem
-you can read what character does yourself (which she clearly didnt do)
-acheron requires the same stats as ratio just doesn't need as much speed (ratio has amazing f2p LC that gives 32CV and 64CV when enemy is below 50%) and with trace unlocked gets 15% crit rate and 30% crit damage in combat for free which makes his crits consistent even without big investment
-ratio can use exactly the same team as acheron and work just fine with guaranteed followups but can also use harmony units without much of a drawback
-when we were starting almost every character was crit based, and the first limited 5* was also hunt, everyone was playing crit based single target dps and now she claims that it's borderline unplayable lol
-she can progress faster as she has more quests to get to higher levels even faster and has a few permament events and extra chests to get more mats including relic exp so she doesnt have to be as picky as we did, you literally couldnt level up relics up to lvl15 because you didnt have enough exp, she can just run around and get tons of exp that we didnt have
tldr L take
3rd point is the most important one
"Ratio dmg is inconsistent"
yea because your team has no debuffers
"I didn't have Pela until I pulled Acheron"
Then use Guinaifen lol
But she probably doesn't even know she needs debuffers for Ratios follow up since she doesn't read the kits
literally bro.. i thought it was common sense to filter out information on your own...
It's insane how her whole argument falls apart the more she keeps talking. I haven't seen a single CC making a guide that doesn't includes budget teams and that it doesn't explains the characters kits beat by beat. And she wants the to dumb them down even further WHILE ALSO SAYING TO NOT INSULT PEOPLE'S INTELIGENCE. hahahaha Its a real shitpost video that's for sure.
100% agree bro, Her takes where absolutely garbage, I'll die on that hill with you. if starting with Dr.Ratio is considered Abysmal, Then wtf did we day 1 players go through on release when we're only using Seele, Yanqing or Clara?? lmao wtf? Is she expecting to clear the whole game right off the fking bat? also this is actual skill issue as even when I started the game using only wind Dan heng and welt till I got seele, I have never encountered any enemy in the story that was too hard for me, heck even the material farms were easy asf, I have no idea where this narrative of "abysmal for new players" started. If you can't play the game without using the most broken unit then that is the very definition of skill issue.
True. Lil vtuber join the game, skiped all story as well as any character kit and start waffeling, disrespect
Damn, for a new player, hex literally has 1 less limited 5 star than me and I’ve been playing since day 1 💀
I'm a new player my 5 strs are himeko, bailu, dr ratio and acheron. I know I still can't do moc and pure fiction, because I'm a new player, that's all there is. For now I'll just enjoy the contents that I'm able to clear.
@@aria.e This is good practice for new players in any gacha game because entering the end game in your current state is simply asking for a huge pain to do. Honestly, Hex just need to admit that as a new player it isn't the community's fault in fact, they are the one providing guides/advices/tips if you ask but in return, she fails to listen nor even admit that her as a new player wouldn't take complete understanding of a character because of not able to reach its max potential to be bad or good review on it.
@@marielgalicha8548that sound like the fear of left out or not get the new content
@@aria.e Build Tingyun and Pela the second you get them. Tingyun's atk and energy gain are still good for most hypercarry teams and Pela's traces are mostly for dmg but she has some that are good for Effer Hitrate of her Debuff.
Her having Acheron is heavily influencing a few of her takes. If every new character is as broken as Acheron and pops off with low investment, we should all be more worried about the state of the game. Generally, CR/CD damage characters are the hardest characters to build in the game due to needing a good CR/CD ratio and all the RNG you have to fight to get there.
No one suggested to build ratio over Acheron. Ppl suggested to build ratio a month before Acheron was even announced. So her yapping about the suggestion to build ratio instead of Acheron is just annoying.
Plus Ratio was recommended to her specifically because she already had Topaz lmao
look I can't use ratio cuz i specifically limit myself to waifu only acc... BUT from this info, she has Topaz... wtf is this girl DOING?! bro got a good FUA team and is complaining?! I WAS USING SW AS A DPS UNTIL KAFKA'S BANNER!! (Day 1 player) this girl has some serious skill issue 💀
She has Huohuo, who came out FIVE MONTHS AGO to the day. She's been playing 1 month less than me. I haven't considered myself a new player for like 3+ months. Her entire argument about Ratio is literally skill issue. I got Bailu from the beginner banner, so I went through the story all the way until somewhere in the middle of Xianzhou with Serval as my main dps. She's also not using Galagher for Ratio who needs debuffs. That's his only mechanic you have to build around. Her view on Ratio is complete utter misinformation.
AND TOPAZ. even worst, his bis support
"Don't insult people's intelligence" she says right after saying "they need to dumb down their guides" pick a lane lady.
She kinda reminds me of early tectone
@@Saberdud Tectone is one of her streaming idols so this is no surprise.
"respect people's intelligence while also understand people don't know what they don't know" ??? the game gives you a tutorial for a reason and you're asking guide makers to respect people's intelligence so shouldn't you be reading something as important as core game mechanics or at least watching a video about the game mechanics? then she goes on to say guide makers need to speak in stupid ass language 💀 seriously don't know where she's getting this ego from to make such dumbass takes with such confidence
There's a difference between dumbing things down and insulting people's intelligence. One is for the sake of communication, and the other is done to insult someone.
If you tried to have someone explain a complex scientific field, most of the complex stuff they would explain would need to be "dumbed down" because it relies on contextual information. Outside of that context, all it would be is confusing. Dumbing something down is just relating that specific context to something normal. It's not an insult to make something make sense, its just good communication hygiene.
to be honest its not insulting anyone's intelligence to "dumb something down" and its taking me a bit of restraint to not insult yours since you arent literate or comprehensive enough to grasp that 😅
point is, when you are new to anything you might as well know nothing. you can know some stuff, but maybe your application of things isnt as masterful as someone who has put in x/hours into said "thing". refusing to acknowledge this is very Dunning Kreuger of you.
Her take is bad because if Acheron didn't exist, she literally would not have made this video no matter who she pulled. The End.
give this man a true
Perfectly summarised. So before Acheron existed, what advice was she expecting from cc - don't build anyone and stop playing the game for a few months because we had dreams that a super powerful character is coming up?
@@Frou-hsr In the end it was community fault for no reason, If we try to be reasonable then for some reason we become a parasocial fre.
Till this day she still say that we gaslighted her, What a good streamer 😌
Remember the part where she says shes farmed relic caverns all of 4 times ever?? Yeah thats why her damage sucks and cant clear end game content, thinking otherwise is just plain ignorant.
Pokke said it best, all gacha games intrinsically make you feel FOMO and invest either time and or money to grow your account. If you blindly follow chat's advice and dont think or learn the game for yourself, how can you blame anyone else. Blaming other people for bricking your own account, is entirely your fault. Considering you're the one pushing all the buttons to make the decisions, its sad how she takes zero accountability and wants to blame guidemakers, chat, and the community.
Thankfully HSR isnt that hard of a game so it probably takes about a month for someone to unbrick an account. Pulling the most OP DPS in the game that surpasses all other DPS chars helps too i suppose.
while i do think there was some bad advice given to her i agree its up to her to make an informed decision also i think the issue is she is time gated yes acheron is op so she is able to clear the endgame content u know who else would destroy the current moc kafka
clearing end game content as ftp isn't really about relic sub stats unless u want to dumb all ur resources into relics and at that point its upt to rng its about slowly growing ur account to where u have a character that can abuse the moc or pure fiction buffs acheron is currently that unit yes acheron will always perform well because she is op but her second team will probably struggle if they cant use the moc buff
rotio isn't amazing right now but they will eventually release a follow up attack heavy unit and hen that happens her ratio topaz to should do well with or without pella
caveat i dont use ratio or topaz so maybe that part wouldn't be true
Honestly I was in the same position as her when I was tb 64 all my relics where trash and some of the easiest boss was giving me trouble but I was able to hold on because of my kafka but after I leveled up to 65 it took me a month to fix my account.
i actually have another acc that's lvl 60 and i farmed 2 times just to get full 5 star relics and i didn't even have any trouble with anything so i don't know what she's yapping about
tbh it seems like most of the issues with Ratio here is just that she didn't like him as a character, why would you build someone like that even if they are SSS tier instead of bulding characters you enjoy especially as a new player that just does cool stuff while watching the story unfold
the causal experience is playing the story and then logging out the sweaty experience is doing pure fiction and memory of chaos
I think she totally missed the point of the guides that recommend DR Ratio vs Acheron. Guide makers focus more on the financial barrier for entry into the game then the investment barrier for the game. This is a gatcha game and not everyone can get the characters that people recommend leaving some to feel hopeless if they don't get a highly recommend power house limited character because they were unable to save enough resources or got unlucky. Should they recommend units that have higher impact for lower investment? Sure i can agree to that. But the bigger barrier of entry for most players is their income rather then their time or capacity to learn the games mechanics, therefore the guides are for more people then she realizes.
Dr Ratio was recommended a lot before Acheron came out. I haven't heard anyone recommend Dr Ratio over Acheron.
@@Frou-hsr i think you missed the point. he's saying that some people CAN'T get acheron because they just got unlucky, in which case recommending acheron doesn't really do a whole lot for them does it?
@@Stormfire152 sorry I tried to add to his point. He is saying some people can't get Acheron. I'm saying, that even if you were lucky and you have her, even then I would like to see which cc recommended that you rather build Ratio if you have Acheron (the case of Hex)
@@Frou-hsr i think hex was building ratio already and then got acheron
@@Stormfire152 then it is even more stupid, because pre-Acheron, recommending Dr Ratio was great advice
HexJuice: “I got some bad advice from theory crafters…”
MrPokke: “WAS IT IYO?” 💀
The fact that it was him lmao
This is a 'her' problem if she can't parse information and understand what she actually needs and wants. No one can help you fully without understanding your situation. Guoba isn't wrong with suggesting Jingliu to cover type weakness when she already has Kafka. Others aren't wrong either when suggesting Acheron or building Ratio. Some will like to plan in advance and advocate characters that might improve in the future like Topaz and Kafka. If she wants instant powercreep and gratification, Acheron solves a lot of things right now. Most of us pull for what we want for husbando/waifu, she seem so fixated on the meta when eventually one can clear endgame content reasonably with enough time and investment. This is like reading one review for a game and it was 10/10 and complaining the game isn't for you. There is plenty of content out there, even for beginners. Do some critical reading, and not just for HSR but in life.
Let me summarize the whole video about her chatting shit. She said im dumb i dont want to think much and im not skilled enough to beat a single gacha game
True
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true instead of playing the game she is just yapping none stop
Respectfully, i dont think she had a single good take in that video. She was trying to come off smart, but the takes were so bad. Maybe im wrong, but im assuming she hasnt played a single gacha game besides Genshin and HSR. She sounds like Mtashed when he first started playing Genshin and didnt know what a gacha game was. Everything shes "upset" about, isnt a HSR problem, its a Gacha "problem" and she might just not like Gacha games.
- The game isnt having trouble bringing people in. Its fucking massive lmao.
- The game isnt difficult to get into and "less understanding". Shes only saying that cause shes a streamer and her chat probably bullies her. Vast majority of playerbase, do not experience this issue.
- Relics arent even that bad. She just has unrealistic expectations and little to no understanding of whats needed. Shes a brand new player and expecting to full star MOC. She should be focusing traces and getting main stat relics. Thats easy as fuck.
- Talking about Guidemakers, when shes watching guides that arent targeted to new players lmao. Plain and simple, no one is gonna make that content, cause its pointless. They tell you what to AIM for. What do you want them to say? lmao. "oh, youre new? just use literally fucking whatever, cause it wont matter."
- The Ratio take is terrible. Hes a free 5 star and when built, hes amazing. So the units free and guess what.......relics are free. His LC? Herta store, free. That is the epitome of F2P friendly. Also its all just based on her comparing him to Acheron. By that logic, every unit in the game in shit.
She honestly just feels like she's getting impatient and frustrated because of lack of progression, then looking for insight in all the wrong places and is venting her frustrations, while putting blame on the wrong things. Like someone who needs to know the answer to 2+2 and then looks up a video on mathematical theory analysis. If youre new, dont look up MOC one cycle videos, look up beginner guides.
Relatable Pokke vids 😆
Yeah honestly Pokke L for not calling her out on this, I get that he probably didn't want to be too opinionated and start nuclear drama and just do a goofy ahh react for content but HexJuice is ironically the one spreading misinformation "Dr Ratio isn't free to play friendly" is quite literally objectively incorrect. And the worst part, shes AWARE its completely false. Shes just malding because shes new and overwhelmed her chat is probably saying vewy comwicated things like "damage" (incredibly complicated stuff here) and "debuffs" (these terms! so unfriendly to newbies!!) But I know for a FACT that she understands everything that the guidemakers say, she just doesn't like it. She doesn't like Ratio or her relics are shit and people make fun of her, and then she starts malding, says something stupid, moves the goalposts by making the argument about "new players" when at the heart of it all is her bad luck and skewed sense of damage due to powercreep. Dr Ratio is an amazing unit that EVERYONE should build, ESPECIALLY F2P. This is an irrefutable fact of reality that she is so deluded and misguided to believe is false.
bro if starting with Dr.Ratio is considered Abysmal, Then what did we day 1 players go through on release when we're only using Seele, Yanqing or Clara?? lmao wtf? Is she expecting to clear the whole game right off the fking bat? also this is actual skill issue as even when I started the game using only wind Dan heng and welt till I got seele, I have never encountered any enemy in the story that was too hard for me, heck even the material farms were easy asf, I have no idea where this narrative of "abysmal for new players" started. If you can't play the game without using the most broken unit then that is the very definition of skill issue.
@@joaquinchua3348 fuckin preach bro lmao.
Again, I think this stems from a lack of her playing Gacha games or even understanding them. In the vast majority of Gachas, gear will always be the perpetual carrot on a stick. Otherwise players have almost zero reason to log on the game, if there's no new story content.
Unfortunately, I think that players in her situation, who are new to Gacha or just woefully ignorant, do believe that within a week or two from starting the game, that there accounts should be cracked.
Really? I thought a lot of her points are valid on a really casual perspective, because I could never clear MOC up until I got black swan to pair up with my Kafka and my 2nd team consist of Ratio or Seele and these 2 are significantly weaker than my DOT team that's why I always thought DPS characters suck before. I do watch a lot of guidemakers about if the character is strong or not but I didn't know you always had to farm for relics instead of farming for the traces and level up materials for the characters I already have or will get. I learned recently that it's better to farm for relics instead after subscribing to guidemakers like Mrpokke and Gouba, because before I just thought as long as I follow the main stat its all good.
tbh if the new players dont have any 5 star what are we supposed to tell them, go back in time and pull for them like ur late use dr ratio 💀
Well as a new player what are good 4 star comps
@@junyaiwase Well, I would ask a new player what five star they got off the Beginner's Wish banner. That can be a good start point of where to take an account. Honestly, Mr. Pokke has a good beginner guide on this channel, if you haven't seen it yet. He goes over the characters that are good to invest in and you can go from there, too.
@@junyaiwaseliterally any of them Dan Heng Serval MC and Hook is what a lot of people used on Day 1 and I’d say there is a lot more options for new players now then there were on day 1
@@junyaiwaseall 4 stars are capable of carrying you until mid game except arlan he's shit even if youre new, heck some 4 stars are even used in end game like tingyun and asta for example and asta is given for free
@@junyaiwase march 7th is the literal core to many 4* comps
...she thinks Ratio is a bad unit for f2p to build? He's literally one of the best units for any f2p player, has a completely free LC in herta store, doesnt need the OP supports like Ruan Mei/Bronya and gives himself crit rate and crit dmg.
Seems like she just didnt read up on his kit.
man im thinking of back in 1.0 when i missed the seele banner and skipped jing yuan so i stuck out with serval, dan heng, and e1 qingque for the longest time till I pulled Kafka. Dr Ratio would have been the greatest thing ever back then lmao (and I have e0s1 acheron)
I... disagree. like I was able to beat a lot of content back then. For a new player trying to beat story, these are the few things that i talk about:
1. dont focus on damage!!! dont die!!!
I find that theres a bit of a difference between genshin, where you have a time limit to do as much damage as possible (dragonspine, ascension), whereas in star rail most content you dont have a time or turn limit. Damage is far more important in genshin and survivability is number one here. Ive seen so many people on natasha still have trouble clear the game.
2. Elemental coverage is far more important in this game. Acheron kinda just spoils people with damage because you can just shred literally anyone, compared to most other people who actually needs you to think about types and breaking the bar. breaking the bar is important. In genshin you can just use like one team and beat everything. Like new players feel free to bench 5 stars for four stars if you cant break! They still do the job! I would never bring kafka against, say, the deer for example. Being flexible is super important and build many characters
I think this is still a great time to join because even though we kinda shit on luocha now we got him and aventurine on banner. You cant exactly get limited sustains all the time these days. Having a real sustain is a huge game changer than trying to rely on four stars here.
But yeah, ratio is awesome. Build him in case but dont focus on making the best ratio ever. I love running topaz ratio but only in places it makes sense.
also tbh I feel like if youre clearing moc till like say level 9 and pure fiction world 3 you arent really that new anymore but idk
Same, my Serval and Clara were carrying me back in the day lol
Wow I’m so surprised the best dps in the game is better than not the best dps in the game
insane nuclear revelation
"Dr. Ratio isn't F2P friendly" Why didn't Pokke call her out for this abysmal take 💀💀
I think he’s on nuclear drama cooldown, and besides, seeing all the opinions from this comment section unfold and generally be agreed upon, they have basically prepared the entire fuel needed if Pokke actually wants to “debate” her take
(just know it wont end pretty for her)
Ngl sounds like a skill-issue to me. I started about a month and a week ago. Finished penacony story with level 60 units. Ratio was main dps with+6 purps. Finished 2.1 with a 70 ratio with +9 gold rainbow set. Clapped adventurine hard.
GnG finished. SDSU about half way.
PF 10/12 stars. MOC i can proceed but I'm lazy. Atm floor 6 all 3* no problems.
If she's saying ratio needs perfect relics well a lot of units need perfect relics but how am i able to finish all the story content,most SU,most PF,half of MOC with lvl 70 units and +9 relics and at this point only ratio is maxed traces and +12 relics(bad subs, but still gets the job done).
Hex needs to do her due diligence and not listen to only a few ccs. Heck the best advice i got from this game was from a cc that didn't even have 1k subs. Also reading reddit for posts on certain units help. She should do this since I assume being a cc she has all the time in the world to be online. Me on the other hand I'm 35 have a job 9h a day and go to the gym monday to Saturdays for 2-3 hours before being able to play in the evening.
Tldr; Skill issue. She has a better account than me. Should learn the game better since she has no job. Reading kits shouldn't be a problem when you're jobless. Shouldn't blame ccs for bad takes coz she's also a cc with horrendous takes. Maybe she and Iyo are besties?
Can you tell me who the cc with less than 1000 subs is? I'd like to check em' out. The more I watch HSR content the more I realize to be careful who to trust. There is alot of controversy/drama in this space and I can't find my little niche channel to stick to lol
@@Xterminatorr give me a sec i am trying to look for him since iforgot to sub. But he's a good looking dude with long hair similar to pokke but he's caucasian. Gonna try to look him up now
@@rjuwuxd3012 Thank you, I sincerely appreciate your time.
@@Xterminatorr having a hard time looking for him since he's a small channel. Anyway i have alternatives that will give you good advice especially if you comment on their videos early. One is razor_ct. The other is ucantcme. If ever i find that other RUclipsr again ill post it here. He only had about 200 subs last month when he me and him were interacting on how to approach endgame for my account. He was of immense help to me pre-acheron.
@@Xterminatorr razor_ct and u2cantcme. Idk where my other comment went but these guys arent any of the guy i was pertaining. He had 200 subs and helped me how to approach endgame about 2 weeks ago. These are alternatives i have since i dont really follow big youtubers much coz either they are metaslaves or have really bad takes.
Edit: it's really hard to be meta when you're new as your pool is limited so i tend to not follow their advice all the time.
Any video that I see Hex in, makes me get only bad impressions after another.
"New player" with Kafka, Sparkle, Huo Huo, Topaz and Acheron with S1... wth, this it's almost a 1 year F2P that lost half of his 50/50...
For me the "new player" experience it's like or you invest in Dan 4* or Serval, or Qingque, or Herta, or Phys MC, or Dr. Ratio, and can try pull for the Banner character. For me she seems more like trying to speedrun the early/mid game than new player progression.
“Dr. Ratio worse than Arlan, worse than Misha.” Based and trollpilled.
Her entire argument falls apart when you realize that Acheron was not even in the game when she started playing. Like her entire argument is that Acheron is breaking the game and yeah she is, but she wasn't in the game at the time, so who else would you have rather used other than Ratio?
*I STARTED HSR THIS JANUARY AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE*
THIS WILL BE AN ESSAY SO IF ANYONE READING BUCKLE UP
I started playing about 3 months ago when dr ratio was given for free....i was playing genshin b4 that for 3 years.
I was really happy that i got a free 5 star unit to start with. Got a bailu from kafka banner and then just played with
Ratio+asta+bailu+trailblazer...
Later found out that ratio needs debuffers..... Saw Black swan banner tried some pulls got 1 guinaifen and 1 tingyun and was very happy
I stopped pulling and started to save for a new char...cuz i was on a guarantee..cuz i got bailu at the start😅 and wasnt going for black swan..
Watched lot of guides, lot of streamers, almost did a phd on prydwen tier list as to what should i pull now
Suddenly got news about acheron and how she was maybe the raiden of this game....and would be really good....so i said ill save everything for her...skipped jingyuan skipped sparkle even bcause i wanted her LC as well..
Meanwhile id been just playin story.. trying to get all jades i could from every past events..traces....credits..sooo much credits 😅 just like genshin mora ptsd... Couldnt do any moc maybe like floor 1 or 2...was using free purple relics that i got from chests levelled up my ATK gloves and hat for HP for all and just played through till oget TL60 to start farming relics
Acheron comes and i go all out on her... Got my acheron..lost on LC 😢 but still got it later.. had saved up alooot...like 2 months of savings lol
Got pela and gallagher
And now i have 2 teams
Acheron + guin + pela + gallagher
Ratio + tingyun + bailu/lynx + fire TB
I swap guin /pela with fire tb sometimes cuz ratio does more dmg with debuffers and acheron just kills everyone by her own (her lc is cracked)
*NOW LETS COME TO THE POINT AFTER THIS WHOLE ESSAY THAT NOBODY READ*
My acheron team does 10x more dmg than my ratio team...... DOESN'T MAKE RATIO A BAD OR REGRETFUL INVESTMENT in fact i beleive he was the best character to invest in at that time for me and he carried me all the way through...he was extremely generous and easy to build SO MUCH FREE CRIT IN HIS TRACES
What could i have built ??? Dan heng? Get out..Serval ??.no thanks even tho she is decent....hertaa??? Im building her now and yeah she cool in PF but thats it..RATIO SAVED MY 70-80 WHATEVER PULLS I WAS GOING TO GO FOR IMBIBITOR LUNAE, IF IT WASNT FOR HIM I WOULD NOT HAVE ACHERON LC RN NO SHOT
IM REALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT I DID TO PLAN MY ACCOUNT AND WITH RATIO... ITS ACHERON WHO IS BROKEN..NOT RATIOS FAULT.. HIM WITH THE HERTA LC WAS DECENT AND IM OK WITH HIS PERFORMANCE
ENJOY THE GAME AND STOP TAKING OTHER PEOPLE'S ADVICE AND THINK ON YOUR OWN ( I do agree with some of her takes in this vid tbh but mostly im seeing just bad anecdotal experience which was based off of twitch chat and twitter responses..i feel bad for her somewhat...GL to everyone in future. 😊 Enjoy the journey guys... im signing out PEACE o7
Good luck on your Journey Trailblazer
Hot take, I think it's more of an issue with F2P sustains. I played on release, got Seele and Jing Yuan. Quit before Loucha came out. Picked the game up again in 1.6, and kind of see what she is saying.
IMO as stronger/more chars came out and content got harder, the more important having a good sustain is for casuals/new players. Lynx is okayage, but she runs into a vicious circle where someone gets hit hard, you don't have lynxs ult,so you use skill to heal that char, but the heal has an aggro increase so that char gets attacked more and can die fairly easy. It feels terrible doing some of the bosses for upgrade mats. I can see why she thinks there is a problem with ratio damage, when really it's just not having a capable sustain. Even with getting Kafka + blackswan, there were a few material fights that I will sometimes lose simply because of that. When this happens I can see why she would start to think dr ration is the problem, when she sees people 0 cycling with no sustains. Rather than most of these fights you wouldn't lose if you had a 5* sustain instead of lynx/natasha.
Lynx's aggro is only for destruction and preservation characters who are designed to take more damage. It doesn't have it for other paths.
Yeah definatly a good point. I made new account recently and dps is copium (ratio is eh.. Herta and Sampo are carrying my team harder) but the bigger issue is that lack of a Fu, Huwu or Luocha means I have to run a second sustain in harder content, which also massively impacts dps.
From what I remember from my 2 main accounts (both started in JY banner), my account that had Luocha had a way easier time in endgame content as well.
Yeah for sure, I just made an alt for a friend and got baliu+gepard in the starting banner. If I can get Acheron b4 her banner goes away he'll be set for life
Well... Gallagher is out now and he's like a discount Luocha, and one of the best Acheron team mates available. But yeah, we all started needing sustains on both sides for MoC, even for day one players back in the day. Nat in particular nowadays you dump immediately upon getting anyone else. Lynx isn't in a much better position but has niche spots.
"Building Dr Ratio is a scam" I started a new account a few weeks ago, we aren't playing the same game. He's doing such an insane job for me.
But if you had e0s1 Acheron he would be trash and a scam to invest. It’s like saying you can get a free fried egg and a bowl of rice but complaining proper egg fried rice like I make is better so why eat the free meal.
@@GymbrGleam He's still destroying the game, yeah sure it's easier with Acheron, and recommending building him to someone who pulled Acheron is hard, since there is only one Pela, but not everyone have nor want Acheron. Ratio have no problem rushing through all the stories, clearing SU earlier than we're supposed to, going pretty far in the memories fast... So saying Ratio shouldn't be use simply makes no sens. Even if he has a lower floor than most it is not enough change the fact that he is one of the best dps in the game, even in early game. Also to be fair Ratio should be compared to other free characters.
streamer playing a new game ==> Blindly follow twitch chat suggestions => have bad experience ==> blame all guide makers and chats because her having bad experience is apparently everyone else's fault and none of hers. How could we respect her intelligence while she as a streamer still fail this basic knowledge of not blindly follow chat's suggestion and think for herself for at least a little bit and make her own decisions for her own playthrough, literally shot herself on the leg then scream and blame random bystander for her own bad decisions.
You asume she follows chat there. She clearly doesnt.
Funny thing is that She wasn't really care about the chat, Most of us would want her to farm relic to "at least" playable even a purple relic are better than none.
We told her to use Topaz and Kafka with Dr Ratio but she refuse (She already have Topaz and Kafka), We told her that she should at least watch the guide to better understand the game and she hated it.
We also told her that it's ok to not be able to clear all end game contents but she still insist on doing SU instead of the story quest.
So yeah
@@AC-ut3nkALSO ALSO playing dr.ratio w topaz is already a struggle on its own.. but WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU HAVE KAFKA IN THAT TEAM AS WELL. Pov Tell me you're dog shit at tthe game without telling me you're dogshit.
Look at the advice AC-ut3nk is giving in your replies. If you were starting hsr and hundreds of people are giving advice like that, you think you would enjoy the game at all? I had my gf start hsr a couple of months ago and she struggled a bit in the beginning ofc but if i had givin her advice as horrid and the guy in ur replies did im pretty sure she would have givin up by now.
EDIT: I know ur point is that she shouldn't blindly listen to chat but are you serious? If you're starting a new game and you have a few hundred, some times thousands of people watching you live and you ask for advice, you expect her to somehow judge chat's opinion before she listens? Judge chat how? SHES LITERALLY A NEW PLAYER. She doesn't know anything to begin with which is why she was looking for advice in the first place.
The fuel consumption thing is probably the most confusing to me. HSR was my first gacha, but Hex apparently played Genshin. Even if Genshin's relic equivalent mattered less, I figured out pretty quickly you didn't want to burn fuel on things too soon. This game is turned based, your stats matter far more than they do in most action games since you can't dodge or outplay. So making mistakes, both in and out of combat, are going to be the primary ways you lose.
Thanks Pokke for clearly highlighting both the valid points and pitfalls in HexJuice's commentary.
As someone who only played HSR 1.0-1.1 and is only now getting back into the game, I get where she's coming from. So much current content around HSR is focused on gearing characters for MOC, and it can be overwhelming to new players who think that's the standard they should aim for out of the box. There are very few guides that address what a player just starting out now should focus on considering the resources they have access to, and how much time it realistically takes to reach the endgame benchmarks that most guides now push for.
That said, there's so much to enjoy in HSR before/outside of endgame content, so I hope that HexJuice and people in a similar boat can find their own love for the game. Similarly, I hope that veteran players can be gracious in seeing why new players might think this way, and give genuinely helpful advice grounded in where these new players are at in the game.
right? i quit after getting silver wolf and came back during sparkle banner. i got sparkle and i got jing yuan but i had entire quest lines to do before i could even begin to gear those characters. i felt crazy lost but the story line was fire (except for when i couldn’t beat any of the bosses that kept me from progressing it).
Problem is that she was saying that cc aren’t new players friendly while many of them are reuploading new players guide every major update there are also many guides on basic mechanics like speed tuning and energy threshold
Also, she’s a streamer but doesn’t listen to her chat and call them dumb
And honestly, if you are telling me that you are a new player, I’ll gladly help you if you have a question on how to build x or y in z team, and same goes for most of us, we’re happy to help new players
And for your question about time and benchmark for endgame, with the current state of the game, I think I can reach Moc 10 in one patch so it might take two patch for a new player to reach end game in hsr
At some point people have to take accountability for their own bad decisions.
If I told someone that investing in oil stocks is an excellent idea would it be prudent to go and take a mortgage to invest without understanding the reasons, risks, cost/benefit, etc.?
It's a somewhat silly comparison, and I expect that no one is that imprudent... but still in this case investing her in-game resources and real life resources (in this case only time, I expect) and still fail to provide Dr. Ratio with the opportunity to succeed is a fault of her own, due to her unwillingness to even take 5 minutes of her time to read Ratio's kit.
Dr. Ratio is a good unit to invest (like most if not all limited 5 star characters in the game) but expecting him to do wonders in early to mid game is incredibly unfair.
Too much effort for her. It seems she expects to be babied and told exactly what to do and how to build characters. I have no problem with people building off meta units but when you’re trying to engage in the meta but make no effort to actually learn it educate yourself then that’s on you
@@squiggly4011 Pretty much. I think a warning sign was when she mentioned that guides use terms she doesn't understand.
I geniunely couldn't figure out what exactly she was talking about because unlike Genshin with Quadratic Scaling or whatever, HSR doesn't really have any sort of terminology that doesn't exist outside the language the game uses itself.
@@kenkaneki3873instead there Is terminology for Now i only have 4 terms in mind:
Speed tuning
Speed breakpoint(called also Speed treshold)
rainbow relics/pieces(off-pieces no set)
Crit treshold
@@squiggly4011 so I'm not crazy, she really doesn't even need a guide maker as long as she the very very basic rule of RPG. Basic parties need a DPS, tank, support and healer.
I'm pretty sure there is a 4 ⭐ for each and looking at everyone is skill self explanatory. 🤔
I started a F2P account 2 weeks ago. Dr Ratio can still hit bigs in early and mid game. You just need to make use of any debuffers you have: Sampo, Guinaifen, Asta, Gallagher ...
The yapping is crazy, when you cant understand that chars like Dr. Ratio needs good builds and you just cant play brainless like with Acheron. Skill issue for me
i'd like to take a moment to talk abt how fucking bad the new player experience is in genshin. Imagine being a new player pulling furina, and having to play all the way till fontaine to get her past lvl 20. Its just wild how they still have done something abt this. Even me, a recurring player, cba farming for xianyun bc i dont wanna explore the whole of the new liyue region
I'm already expecting a bunch of people including Pokke himself pulling for Arle and being unable to play her because you need to do fifty million hours of story quests to unlock whatever boss material she needs
What prevents you from levelling Furina past 20? None of her materials are locked behind quests and you can warp to Fontaine after Mondstadt. You can get started on her at like... AR13 if you wanted. You can also fight the whale at AR40 even if you didn't advance the Archon quest past Dvalin. Her world boss isn't quest locked either.
Is there something I missed? I'm honestly confused. Did you just pick a poor example for the point you were trying to make?
@@xX-fd2qj Definitely a poor example. A better example is pulling someone like Raiden Shogun or Ayaka. Basically, by pulling any Inazuma characters, you pretty much screwed yourself over. Cause Inazuma is locked behind main story quests. The only way to get their overworld materials is to hop into another player's world, which also has the problem of level difference. (Making you farm Adventure levels until you can co-op and beg from another player to get the overworld materials.)
Agreed. I started both recently and the genshin tutorials are non existent. Nearly nothing is explained in the game itself. And elemental reactions are not that straightforward, you need to get the rotations correct etc etc
@@kenkaneki3873 You can already quick unlock weekly boss materials since 4.0.
acheron literally basically uses all the same characters that dr. ratio wants and uses basically the same build that ratio wants. the only difference is that acheron is omega busted. literally a skill issue
This chick has Topaz. That banner was 6 months ago, half the games lifetime. She is not a new player. It's called ✨skill issue✨
One thing that guide makers DO overlook, is it takes 3ish weeks to hit TL 60, which is when the A6 trace unlocks AND when efficient relic farm unlocks. Until then, a lot of units just don't function as intended. Ratio for example has 50% damage, 5.3% crit and 8% attack locked behind TL60.
Ok but guides are not ment for anybody that's not TL65+ yet simply because you don't need them
There's nothing you need a guide for you just slap on purple relics and play story until you reach the endgame it's very simple
@@kenkaneki3873 You're absolutely right! But that won't stop new players from looking up a Tier List/guide and assuming it is meant for them too.
@@NovellaeFox Sure but they should simply by watching them realise "Oh this isn't for me yet" since they'll obviously realise that they do not have the ressources to build anything properly yet.
There's a reason the story quests take you around routes with chests that give you purple relics, it's the game telling you "Put these on and you'll be fine"
whereas everyone in endgame will use those as fodder because they already farm daily.
fr i started a new account and hit TB59 in just slightly over 3 weeks. i only ran purple relics (and some gold relics from penacony chests) and beat the latest story boss with ratio pela march fire mc. MOC? that's still a long way to go because that's endgame. i'm not banging my head against the wall now trying to make my unbuilt teams get results in MOC because i know it'll take time. if she wanted to speedrun to endgame content RIGHT NOW with the least investment possible and spending is a non-issue, then she should have asked that question instead of just saying "what should i pull on my account" because people would have answered way differently.
As someone who recently made an F2P alt, I can understand some of the complaints about Dr. Ratio. It's not that he does middling damage or is bad, but he does need supports that can stack debuffs (3) so he can guarantee his FUA, which helps him get to his own personal guaranteed FUA through his ultimate. For newer accounts without characters like pela e4 or guinaifen, or without resolution lightcone for example, Dr. Ratio feels a lot worse to play because his % to FUA naturally is so low. He isn't as intuitive to play as other more unga bunga dps if you don't have the pieces for him to work.
Edit: Don't wanna hear more Dr. Ratio slander, but fr, on Stellar Seas LC and levelled up mainstat relics (forget matching set pieces), he puts in work LOL. There's really no way he doesn't do good damage unless you're not playing him well.
Yeah, he's not the best as a first limited 5* for a new account, but in my experience it's still better than Dan, Herta, Qingque and Serval.
I started playing with the Fu Xuan banner and got Gepard as my free 5* so I had a rough start. Yet i was able to clear all the story with ease with Fu Xuan as my best dps in my team. Yes my team was that bad, would of love having a free Ratio back then. Anyway point is, new players today have nothing to complain about. They have better start options then ever. As for Acheron, she' just a busted character, you cant compare her to anyone.
blud.... as a day 1 player that only uses waifu (and don't pulled for seele) ny fuckin dps until TL 64 was Silver Wolf 💀 and my first ever DPS unit is Kafka.
As a day one player that didn't pull anything until luocha, I had no dps and support that all I'm using is Dan heng and sampo sub dps until I got Yang Qing which replace dan heng until dan IL release
@@fuggatisolved2731 at least.... it's a DPS 🤣 my dumbass only had nihility and harmony characters until kafka lmao. BUT I'm kinda glad that my first DPS team is Dot since I never had the same issues as other players when it comes to Crit Ratio.
You can compare Acheron to other characters, though. You're saying that because she's so obviously that much better than other DPS with similar investment. That's why the Twitter thing was silly, guide makers compared Acheron to Jingliu and said Jingliu was the better investment lmao.
@@LikeACrouton Jingliu IS a better investment for new players since she gives herself a bunch of free stats that makes building her easier. Even Hex recognize that her Acheron is badly build and does more dmg than her other units this not something that can be said of other 1.x dps which is why she can't be compared to the ret except Jingliu which is why they recommend what they do.
Meanwhile Mina who never reads her character kits blasts through the game because she at least feeds her 2 braincells, one of which is busy reading Yuri and the other looking at pictures of Black Swan (no, I'm not talking about her 3 E6's, Kafka, Seele, Acheron, but everyone else and how she pilots her teams).
Genuinely, a skill issue.
When I first watched the video I sorta vibed with it cause you know what, fair play. And I had personally seen the schism between Day 1 players and a new player with a completely different account composition in comparison between the two sample sizes. But then going through this video, I realized that there was a larger scope to consider here.
A large portion of Hexjuice's remarks can be conflated with "Acheron is just a better unit than Dr. Ratio", which in a bit of irony completely goes against the initial argument of "We need to be friendlier to newer players", because when Acheron's banner is gone.... then what? A new player hopping in after her banner is getting Aventurine or Jingliu maybe, but then we're back to the standard that new players are just going to be put up with again: of relic grinding, and overall trying to get their account developed and their characters stronger to tackle harder content. (Granted, no one talks about it, but 2.2 is also going to be a huge F2P patch too I think.)
So it's interesting to hear what's being discussed in the larger scope of "When 2.1 comes and goes", a lot of these points Hexjuice brings up get nullified, while simultaneously reinforced, since the free Dr. Ratio is gone after the patch as well. The largest takeaway for anyone should just be the one line, "Give advice after you know what the person actually has, not just assuming what they have."
To be fair, Iyo and Guoba's reasonings why Jingliu could've been better for her than Acheron were pretty valid. She already had Kafka for lightning weakness, and Jingliu is also a very strong unit that is easy to build. And yes, Ratio is great as well especially since she already had Topaz. It's just that she tasted the power of Acheron that obliterates everything lmao! So there was no wrong answer as both Acheron and Jingliu would be great for her. But yes, Acheron is just way stronger. XD
to me the mihoyo gacha style (aside from HI3) is inherently worse for new players starting the game many months/years after the game released than the average gacha game simply by the fact that every character is limited so you can't get them by being spooked and lose a 50/50, which is not the norm in gacha games. i hope they add old characters to the standard poll in star rail more frequently than they do in genshin which only added 2 new characters in 3,5 years
I would say it’s the exact same with hi3 if not worse cause with that game if you want to do the best you can you NEED meta and they add a new best limited unit every update 😭
Bruv HI3 gacha system is dogshit at it core. You need 4 piece of gear with 16 offrate piece in the banner. After all that you need the character as well. Imma say it the greediest system of Hoyo
I was setting it apart from the rest just because it's a different system, not because it's better or worse. Sorry for the confusion
This is true but also tbf in other games if they run long enough and add enough characters it becomes very annoying to lose a 5* (or equivelant) pull to a year 1 character when you are in ear 5 where the 4 stars are now better than year 1 5 stars.
@@HRforges you're right but with this system, 5 years from now what we will get is essentially year 0 characters lol, many of those even their eidolons are underwhelming
Is it selfish to believe that a new player should not catch up with 1 year old player no time?
Honestly, most of her argument just falls apart when you realise she has Acheron as her "good DPS baseline". And Acheron is better than normal for her because she hasn't farmed relics, and so the ridiculous multipliers + AOE make her even better than normal in comparison.
The problem for HexJuice is a clear misuse of fuel in her early/mid game.Every single beginner guide that I can recall says to save fuel until higher TB levels and to use those to farm relics. An actual new player armed with this advice will likely have over 60 fuel consumables by the time they reach TB 60-65.
She herself said she farmed relics 4 times… wtf she expects, I bet shit traces and shit relics can’t do shit, specially talking about dps
I saved Fuel until I was able to get the max rewards, but after about half Fuels used, I didn't get a single good piece. I got like one or two decent and rest was actually worthless. I should have spent them in credit or something else but eh whatever. It is what it is.
@@ayss2611 this is the hard part. Relic farming does have diminishing returns as characters become more well built. At certain account progression levels its important to be less picky to be able to use multiple characters. Account progression here is not decided by Tb level but by what is on the account. Sometimes its not about finding decent pieces but rather pieces that improve your character/s slightly.
Hearing hex describe this as gatekeeping makes me cringe a bit. The advice she was given isn't wrong, it basically boils down to "for the long-term viability of your account it is more important to have better element coverage than to have the very best units of one element" which is maybe the LEAST gatekeepy advice you could possibly give to new players. The actual concern she should consider is if anchoring new player advice around the *long-term* is actually good advice. The way we literally call it "investing" is all anchored in long-term, but it actually translates into having less fun *right now* so that you can spend less to have more fun in 6-12 months.
That said her grievance has nothing to do with the question she asked, "PLEASE help me choose between Acheron and Jingliu" is a very different question than "will Acheron improve my account". She's drawing a line that people who told her to pull Jingliu are wrong when she has *zero experience* with the setup she was suggested because she REFUSED THEIR ADVICE.
exactly bruh, she's mad that we don't want to cater to new players when that's why genshin went to shit. we are finally getting a game that's catered to ENDGAME.
She assumed that every new player will have a broken ass dps like acheron lmao. If a new player dont even have her, then who's the best dps to build? Ofc its ratio/jingliu. She basically comparing a free 5* to a broken limited 5* dps. And nobody's telling her that dr.ratio need a pela to perform? Read his FCKIN kit for god's sake. U expect him to do big pp dmg when u dont even understand his basic kits.
CCs act like they’re F2P all the time when it’s a cheeky joke that they’re Free 2 Pay
For the part about building relics, it's bad in both games: essay about relic/artifact mechanics and design incoming.
Genshin has the problem with Artifact set bonuses generally being stronger and a lot more important than they are in HSR. For both games, it's the amount of layers of RNG that makes it miserable to farm: set, relic/artifact piece, main stat, substat, substat rolls.
The difference is that Genshin requires less artifacts for a build (5 vs 6), but has much less QoL to remove the layers of RNG (I stopped playing after Furina release, so I could be mistaken if they've added QoL since then). Genshin only has the strongbox for the set, which already has the best odds in your favor while farming (50%/50%). HSR has a less efficient "strongbox", which we know as Synthesis, and can guarantee you a relic with a set AND piece of your choosing at a 10:1 ratio compared to Strongbox's 3:1. You can also get a few Customized Synthesis every patch to remove the main stat RNG layer, which particularly sucks with Spd Boots, ERR Rope, and % Element Dmg. You get about 1 or 2 per patch as F2P and around 4 for spenders.
Also, Genshin's farming feels more bloated: takes a bit longer and requires you to run the domain more times to drain your Stamina (less time efficient); you have to use an annoying to farm crafting material in order to be able to get the time efficiency QoL; and lastly your inventory just has more garbage since not only does Strongbox use Artifacts instead of a crafting currency, but also gives you over 3x more relics to filter through than Synthesis.
Compared to HSR: you can use an entire day's worth of Stamina on Auto; you can salvage relics into either XP or relic synthesis materials; 1 Free SU run every week; Acheron owners make choosing blessings be the longest time sink in SU (More SU QoL for everyone planned in the future). Also there's reserve energy and a higher Stamina cap, so it's just generally more respectful of your time.
It's a bit dishonest of her to say that farming for relics is worse than artifacts with all of these points in mind. At best, they're both equally bad since they have the same layers of RNG. But you can't ignore the clear QoL improvements that they made in HSR's crafting system compared to Genshin, and say that it's worse trying make a build in this game.
Tldr: HSR clearly made improvements in relics from Genshin's Artifact System. They both suck to farm, but HSR has more QoL by having additional ways to remove certain RNG elements of crafting and farming on auto is much easier than Genshin's farming.
21:19 One point about Pokke's comment on comparisons: Even investment does matter to some extent. When the game first came out, people were all over talking about Hook being an infinitely better dps over Himeko. One part was because people got her e6 thanks to Seele banner, but after we started getting lvl 80 characters, Himeko started overtaking Hook thanks to having higher investment and stronger traces. This does go back to what she's talking about: most guides don't explain enough that characters like Dr. Ratio are better to invest in, but may not feel as good as other dps (excluding the unrelatable 3) if they have a trace they require their final ascension to achieve or something similar. That being said, I do agree with Pokke's other point- Unit guides shouldn't cover this, that's what new player guides are for.
yet to see a good hex juice take
Bruh shes acting like day one players didnt have to go through the exact same new player experience. I would argue there was even more misinformation back in the day due to how new and unexplored the game was. Also back in the day we didnt have a dr ratio, many of us were using danheng, sushang and hook. go ahead and try building those characters and compare them with ratio. We were also stuck with march and natasha solo sustains so go ahaead and try that aswell. Also comparing acheron to ratio is crazy. One is the most recent dps compared to a free 5 star. No shit the newest dps is going to outperform a free 5 star that everyone got.
She's just a reactionary V-tuber trying to get views, circle jerks bigger streamers for attention.
It's just hype and views to complain about shit all the time.
and dr ratio ain't even bad 😭 my friend had a shitty built on him and he still hit good enough.
Building a unit is like planting a tree, you have to keep watering it and take care of it to grow bigger. You need to invest in those units for them to be better, some might be easier to build some may not, but DPS needs high investment for it to do big dmg (except JL and DoT). Even Yomi needs a good cr and cd. But comparing Yomi to any other dps is just... WHY? 😂 Even my good f2p JL that is well built felt like a baby compared to my yomi.
imo if she took it slow and just enjoyed the game from the start, she would have a much easier time understanding all the mechanics, before going deep into the character guides, just like how day 1 players got to learn step by step.
@@Brushedhw yep, 100 percent. I mean people can play the game how ever they want but expecting to full clear all the end game content as a new player is just dumb. What would be the point of having an endgame so easy that even new players can clear it. Its also a single player game, there is literally no rush to finish the content.
Yeah like day 1 players remember the roller coaster of "Welt is busted you want to re-roll accounts until you get him as your garunteed standard 5*" and "Geopard is the worst standard 5*", Arlan wasn't considered the worst character in the game and other stuff like that.
26:22 I actually pulled 5 Good Night and Sleep Well, while pulling for Acheron’s lightcone, so if I had lost the 75/25 it wouldn’t have been a complete disaster.
Nah, I completely disagree with her. She has some crazy units for her account, especially as a new player. She has a twitch chat giving her good advice, and there are plenty of guides that take F2P and new players into account. Just because they all don’t doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
She made 2 videos on getting 1 guyed in chat
She isnt playing for a month when she has a huohuo
She said she’s farmed relics 4 times, think that’s basically enough said, no dps is gonna do well with no relics(except Acheron apparently in pure fictions). If you don’t want to build units or farm relics, this prob ain’t the game for you
i'll be honest, she doesn't seem very self aware or bright, frankly. pulled the definition of powercreep and is just talking how everything is so much easier. like. yeah. she has acheron lc, she has two of acheron's best supports, and her not running a tertiary nihility feels like she has the e2. so what is the point of this video? like she's barely playing ratio to his actual strengths and is just yapping about acheron's strength. like cool?
so what shes saying is that CCs need to look into the future and predict that Acheron will be OP and all their other guides they have made in the past year are invalid and bad because of that
now i want to see two separate tier list for low investment and high investment separately
So why are we comparing Acheron to every other dps? What a terrible way to look at the game. She’s broken af nothing comes close. Holy yap
I don’t really agree… I started with the fu xuan patch and struggled a while with dps but it was fine. Leveling to 70 took a few patches, building my team slowly. I couldn’t do moc for a few months but I still had lots of fun and I didn’t feel I was missing out.
Sounds like she is complaining that she didn't do b her due diligence to watch guides and just wanted to know which dps she can pull to turn her brain off. She should step up and brain dead guides if she wants to help people with similar statuses.
I honestly don’t know why people compare Acheron to anyone else in the game… there is one huge reason she ended up being so good and it is just character favouritism. She is the Mei and Hoyo loves her, of course they give her inherently more damage. She is emanator level, there’s the lore reason.
They do this for the people who want a skip button for MoC or can’t clear it even if the game is so easy… it’s good for FOMO, they release an inherently better character that is “game breaking” once in a while to create FOMO and get good sales…
The problem comes to the game if she becomes the new standard basis because she was designed to be better… it should be obvious how they knew the community would respond to her with people constantly saying “pull for Acheron she’s broken”… they have had previous games follow this pattern, they know what they’re doing to manipulate the community to convince each other to spend
alot of people like you who misunderstood her point imo, about the investment floor, not ceiling. Dr.rat in all his essence, is a hunt character, and fundementally single tartget-focus. And having that as your only dmg dealer massively increase the amount of sustain you need compared to if you have any sort of AoE. And when you cant clear content fast enough, it is miserable to play without a solo sustain if you dont have one.
tldr: if you dont have "solo sustain", you struggle (unless acheron xdd) as a new player
Now that you mentioned it, Raiden Shogun also released in patch 2.1 of Genshin and, despite the beta tester drama that happened post-release, she still turned out quite OP because of her utility as a battery while also being an insane hypercarry dps. The only difference is that (outside of specific circumstances like the one you mentioned), Genshin devs are generally averse to powercreeping the game and are more interested in making new units and mechanics that make previous characters even more viable to use.
God knows how HSR devs will treat this game in the long run.
@@MefoWho And at the same time. I feel like Hex may have missed the point of building Ratio too. Arguably the biggest benefit of Dr Ratio, is that up till the end of 2.1 (current patch), he is literally FREE. Once he eventually reruns, most if not all Content Creators are most likely to advise against pulling him. He is somewhat niche, that is correct. He needs proper investment in the form of a team that can consistently apply debuffs. But for any player who claimed him for free between his debut and the end of 2.1, he is 'low investment' because you don't have to spend on average $185 worth of jades to pull for a character. It's a similar situation as Luocha. Now that Huo Huo, Fu Xuan, and soon Adventurine are available, we recommend against pulling for him because he 'does not provide enough' to justify him over another sustain.
However, going along Hex's argument, us recommending against luocha could also be bad because he is much more beginner friendly. You set up abyss flower and never die. Vs Huo huo where you use her skill every other turn to maintain buff uptime, or use Adventurine's ult to proc the follow up atk that refreshes the skill so that he doesn't have to spend extra sp on refreshing the skill, and running him on FuA teams means he will proc shield even more often so that you may never need to skill with him unless you want more ults.
Another point is that she says we focus too much on performance ceiling and don't compare performance floor. She also mentions people recommending Jingliu over Acheron, and that somewhat feels somewhat contradictory. JL has one of the lowest investment floors in the game because she doesn't even need specific supports to perform, while Acheron highly desires 2 nihility teammates at E0 to achieve dopamine, (not saying 0 nihility acheron is bad, but are you serious?)
Yet another point that tbh may be too much of a tangent, but I believe recommending building units that have high ceiling, is significantly better than recommending building low floor. why? because that mean we're not lying to the people when the unit eventually cannot compete. Acheron is unfortunately the worst offender of ruining the new player experience, because she's super low floor super high ceiling, and now player's standards are set to compare every dps against Acheron.
Also i would like to talk about your point about how having Ratio being singly target increases the sustain you need, which i feel is... a weird point to make. Let's discuss a 5 enemies scenario (eg: 5 IPC performance point gunners) comparing Single Target(ST) DPS vs Area of Effect (AoE) DPS. Each DPS can only attack once before the enemies take action. If ST DPS kills 0, you take dmg from 5 enemies. If ST DPS kills 1 enemy. You take dmg from 4 enemies. If AoE DPS kills none, you take dmg from 5. If AoE DPS kills 5, you take dmg from 0. Wow AoE is so good because you can take dmg from 0 enemies. Except is every AoE dps able to clear all 5 at once? Going slightly further let's say for equal comparison sake the ST DPS does 100% of the enemy max hp per attack, and the AoE DPS does 20% of enemy max hp per attack. 5 enemy scenario means she will do the exact same damage number as the ST.
The number of times you take dmg (across 5 turns) will then go something like
Single Target: 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 (Total 10)
AoE: 5, 5, 5, 5, 0 (Total 20)
Does that mean ST is always better than AoE? NO.
If you reduce the ST dmg to 99% max hp of enemy and then reduce the AoE dmg to 19% max hp of enemy you get this
Single Target: 5,4,4,3,3,2,2,1,1,0 (Total 25)
AoE: 5,5,5,5,5,0 (Total 25)
I apologise if that was way too long but TL:DR is that there are points being made but the summary should be that we need to be more specific when providing our decision making process otherwise people may become misinformed.
@@badwithusernames im sorry for didnt read all that but for your tldr, im just speakin as someone thought dr rat would "save" my experience by some miracle. Unfortunately him doing 70-90k is great but not enough for me to use him over IL especially with sparkle was coming out then.
About the single target increasing the amount of sustain you need, i was speaking as someone who did not get any limited sustain, therefore my experience is kinda skewed from getting cleaned up by stragglers after the elites hit. Theres people who clear moc with lynx but i dont consider resetting more than 20 times "clearing" it, more like punching above your weight. I did 36* and full clear both PF albeit with less care on sustain, but im sure its going to fk me when i cant ultilize the buff for new and shiny dps in the future.
TLDR: This came from someone with hatred towards people says natasha is good because shes free then goes on with their life with fx (im malding :( )
tldr2: It's hard to say when it comes to HSR endgame, since its "floor" isnt low enough for older untis, and way too easy for the ceiling. Genshin "fixed" this by having a lower floor but realistically nothing to test the ceiling. I personally play these games for the story so i like it when i can turn my brain off and actually pull for who i want without real meta reason ( look at me with bailu, surviving 5 stacks of windshear and 10 stacks of bleed)
@@MefoWho tbh I’m honestly surprised so many people are saying ratio is not saving their accounts because he’s only doing 80-90k damage. My ratio is e0 with herta lc and I do around 60-80k dmg per follow up atk (With topaz proof of debt +50% dmg so yeah my ratio build is kinda mid) in MoC and my ratio team clears MoC 12 in around 3-5 cycles. My 2nd team has some units I spent a bit for strong early eidolons and have been heavily investing tb power into that teams relics (and as a result clears in 1-2 cycles) on but the ratio team is full of e0s0s and rainbow relics and I still clear within 5 turns (which is around the max time for 1 half of MoC so you can 3* clear). I understand not everyone has the same experience but when people mention numbers equal or bigger than mine and them not being enough idk it seems odd. Also I have to restate the importance of him being FREE. The statistic for average number of pulls required to get a limited 5* is equivalent to around $185 worth of jades. Ratio does not cost that. And dude has sometimes outperformed my highly invested e1s1 seele (ok seele is just super underperforming to the point I am using qq instead for now)
My example is the MoC that reset yesterday. I cleared MoC 12 3* with Ratio Topaz taking around 5 cycles (my slowest clear since 1.5). Note that I am part of that group that Hex mentions that played since day 1 that could potentially be ‘so far ahead’ of new players. I barely cleared it in the max recommended time for 1 side. I do not have other dpses other than Seele, Ratio, Qq, topaz. No Jingliu, no Kafka Black Swan, no Dan Heng IL, no Jing Yuan, no Blade, and most noticeably, no Acheron. This could be potentially why I regard Ratio highly as he’s one of my only dps, but he’s definitely been carrying the account since most of my pre Ratio MoCs were literally 2-3 turns (Turns and Cycles are very different) from losing the 3*
Sometimes I think new players are potentially being somewhat impatient with the game and expecting too much, like you’re able to beat all content as and when you unlock it. My first MoC 12* clear I believe was 1.3 either the 2nd or 3rd reset(back when it was biweekly), 4 patches after launch. It took me 4 months to clear MoC 12* for the first time on a Non-f2p (not whale tho) account.
TL:DR: Ratio is somehow overrated and underrated by the 2 separate ‘groups’ of HSR players, his best contribution is that he doesn’t cost $185 worth of jades and lastly I think some new players are too anxious to beat all content.
Food for thought > A year ago when everyone else started this game, we couldn’t beat the endgame either, and we weren’t crying about it like Hexjuice, wanna know why? We didn’t expect to beat the game immediately like she is.
Things are much better now, there’s way more resources available now then we had a year ago, there are a lot of quests and chests that will speed your progression to TL65. Not to mention the free character XP and credit you get from those. And you also get free 5star relics that we didn’t have access to before, chests didn’t drop those in launch.
What I wanna get to is that the new player experience right now is just way better then how it was on the launch of the game and Hexjuice is just a crying baby that expects to beat the game with no effort.
i remember when cocolia boss fight in SU is the hardest content we got
5:21 I feel like this is the kind of info and perspective that should be in a true beginners guide. Pokke may well have broken it down like this it in his beginner guide (I watched it, but don't remember a lot of the points outside of SU worlds to farm because it was mostly stuff I already knew.) But I think a newer guide covering this kind of info would be useful, because a lot of the old guides covering these topics are 10+ months old now, and parts of them are kind of outdated.
All in all I think the Pokke beginner guide is one of the most useful ones out there. But to me, it felt more like an "early player transitioning into the mid game" guide rather than a true starting point. I think there is still room for clarification on some new player issues (such as what to focus on at what TB level, when to worry about main stats vs sub stats, WHY trace farming is more useful than farming relics early, and how to determine if/when it's ever worth pulling on a rerun vs a new character, and when to consider signature light cones vs eidolonsor saving for other characters,) because for a new player with no community or friends with info to lean on, figuring out what to listen to can be tricky. Especially if you end up using something like a tier list to make decisions.
Her points would make sense and have solid footing if it was true at all. There are plenty of resources to understand how to learn hsr. You can understand the basics alone and probably clear most if not all of the content. Like just look for information she just wants to be spoon fed basic info.
Honestly, as a new player, I think skipping acheron and pulling jingliu while also building ratio wouldve been the smarter choice. Yeah, acheron is amazing. She does infinite damage and clears everything relatively easy with the amount of investment ive put into her. On the other hand, my 2nd team is literally dead. I either have to play ratio with a dot to debuff like sampo or luka, or I build serval which is kinda cope if I compare it to the alternative. Which brings me to my main point, pulling jingliu and skipping acheron. If I had skipped acheron and pulled jingliu, I’d have a pretty decent dps on one side and an amazing one on the other, albeit not as strong as acheron. Maybe this is because I got bronya from the beginner wishes, but there isn’t a major overlap of supports between jingliu and dr ratio like there is with ratio and acheron. My jingliu can run bronya, pela, sustain, and my ratio can run tingyun, guin, sustain. Granted, I don’t have this team but I feel like it would perform way better at higher moc levels than the teams I do have now. Who knows, maybe you don’t care about content where you need 2 teams, which in that case, acheron is an amazing pull. But for everyone that does, maybe consider jingliu. idk just my 2 cents🤷♂️
Yeah that’s what happened to me, I don’t have replacements for my Ratio team, I’ll probably build Asta or Serval in the meantime
people told her that
I just started on 2.0, I'm TB 63, the game has been VERY straightforward and friendly in its progression. I invested in Ratio because WHY WOULDDN'T I? You literally invest in what your best thing is until something better replaces it. I have Acheron, Luocha, Ratio, E6 Pela, E4 Gallagher, etc. I've busted my way to MOC 11 and cleared Pure Fiction completely, and that's with my "trash" builds. There's been a good DPS on every banner I've been exposed to so far: Imbibator Lunae and Black Swan on my first banner, Jing Yuan and Sparkle on the next, Acheron on the third, Jingliu on the next, Boothill after that, then Sam... they literally throw cracked 5 star DPS at you (not as cracked as Acheron, but still).
I'll say for me as a new player: Raising relics also sucks because you don't have much of the shit to raise it either. Also understand that as a new player, we're dealing with both shit equipment, lack of mats, lack of light cones, and most importantly, skill issue. Yes, shockingly new players will have skill issues. I've seen people make fun of people struggling with like the bug fight or the aventurine fight, and laugh at them, then show how you can just auto it... with the right team and equipment. The Aventurine fight for example if you've only raised single action ST units (lets just say, natasha/lynx, tingyun, ST DPS, bronya/sparkle/any other no ability to AOE) you don't just "take AoE units", you have to proceed to have to raise them from scratch to clear it. The community rarely approaches that was "okay, if you run these low eidlon 4 stars with shit basic gear, and do these tactics, it's clearable" instead it's just "just raise and take your ratio, ez"
I will say that I do think back when people first played, they'd hit a limit in story available/had slightly lower difficulty content on end game stuff. By the time the next story came out, they probably had more respectable relics and traces because they've been farming stuff in dead times. But now you're getting all that content at once. and in HSR, progression as far as battles goes sucks. There's no "wow I'm starting to struggle, I better go level up some more", most of the time you're completely fine, cruising through content, until suddenly you're hitting some big brick wall of a fight, and HSR being a gacha, it's not like I can just spend time going to farm levels so I can beat this boss or something, it's I can farm 240 worth of stuff, then I comeback in a day to do it again. When you're really enjoying the story and want to play more today, but suddenly you hit a brick wall, it does feel bad.
Thankfully guidemakers/youtubers are doing new accounts recently so they'll probably have better input in the future. Even just the one you said in this video "just farm basic main stat on your relics, raise those, then come back and farm good relics 65+" is good advice which isn't normally covered.
I do wish HSR at this point would give some okay but not great, general use, max leveled relic rewards for hitting certain TB levels. Like a musketeer set that gives okay speed/atk/crit, but nothing fantastic. An energy regen keel with solid defensive stats. Nothing you'll use end game, but something to tide you over until you really can start farming relics.
shes YAPPING she clearly does not know what shes talking about
She should have put that tweet in her video everything makes 100% sense now.
Goddamnit guoba and iyo
I have a story for you MrPokke, and I tell this one all the time.
When I was AR35... I could NOT beat the Bug boss from the ratio event.
Not for the life of me.
It took me 3 weeks, and 2 times I almost deleted the damn game out of rage.
I was using March, Stelle, Bailu and whoever else for dps, I tried multiple chars.
All of them were Max LVL and MAX Light cone level, and had leveled up 4* relics.
Now you explain to me.
SHOULD in ANY game I really need to invest 10h of relic farming to be able to beat an important story boss that is NECCESERY on my like 25h of playtime account???
I don't think I should... You know how I finally beat that boss, by Pulling Dan Heng IL aaaaand also playing 3 supports, March ,Stelle and Bailu and it took me like 7 attempts.
Anyone who tells me that the bosses and level increases in this game are balanced in any way need a reality check
OH yea and btw, sorry about the rant...
But I've looked at solutions online a million times.
And there were no like big brain strategies to beat the boss, no tips on team building, it was always like Build your character, or GET [this] character, in my case THIS character was DHIL
Hoyo: We won 3 best game of the year awards, let's give dr ratio for free, its an amazing unit that works with the best 4 stars in the game and can clear moc with ease, the whole community will be so happy fr.
The Community 3 months later : 7:19.
Very Respectfully though, she has Topaz which means she has been playing the game for atleast 6 months, so she isn't a new player(for context, I joined one patch later than her and am able to clear moc 12 in 2-3 cycles by now) and understanding how dr ratio works and that it IS a f2p friendly unit shouldn't be very difficult, the unit has crit damage traces and 15% CR and 30% CDmg in battle for god's sake. Acheron is better than Dr Ratio at same CV but that's because she's broken af, not because she's easier to build.
HSR is a very generous gatcha game, but requires you to be efficient in what you do in order to have a better account faster. But you can't expect to build every character you pull and still be f2p and have great builds on all of them.
Pretty bizarre take when day 1 players were also new players on day 1 (shocking huh), and had much less available to them. Removing the clueless people in the community, guide makers and decent players all know what to recommend, so it seems like a misdirected issue to me.
It's just that people tend to rush things when they are new to the game and compare their accounts to already established accounts and complain.
Yea, day 1 players probably invested in Seele, lmao, imagine that. She mad about few weeks investement in Dr. Ratio, Imagine investing FULL YEAR in Seeke, only to see Acheron efortlessly hitting a million damage.
@@xtiyan2250 This is not what the complaints look like, but rather being oblivious to her own account and game state which then makes the advice seem wrong, when she's blinded by Acheron's performance and the other people gave advice based on the whole picture.
@@Crazmuss I invested in Seele without much success because that domain is very tragic, and she's more needy than other units (most characters would be happy at 70-140 crit ratio but not her). That's not exactly what I meant with having less things available: Ratio himself is extremely beneficial to any normal account, and also Lynx, as well as different relic sets that are stronger and more efficient to farm than the day1 counterparts. Someone helidropped on 2.1 with a bunch of limited units and an Acheron can't begin to understand the advice's perspective, none of the replies shown in the video were wrong.
I'm a day 1 player, I'm TL 70 and I'm a pretty casual player. I'm not a sweater but I do slowly build my units if I feel like it 😂 (also important info, my account is f2p but waifu only except for welt cuz... me love pretty womens lol). BUT no way in hell you can clear MoC or any end game contents if you're just fuckin TL 64! I haven't even touched MoC at TL 65, Hex is clearly forcing herself to be an end game player when she's not. There's a reason why it's called "end game content" it's for us who has no else to do except builtld our units for fun and test them in those areas like MoC and PF. And please for the love of God, any other dps is hard to build (except DoT huehehe) you need to balance out cr and cd (except JL) which is why I'm glad ny very first solid dps is Kafka and second is JL 😂 (my waifu instinct is my saving grace). Even with that, I never had a good build, it's decent but not good AND THAT'S FINE! You're just gonna get better each day, so just take it slowly. Imma be honest, if any of you see my built... you're gonna cry, but hey I cleared PF and MoC with it.
In context that all the guidemaker suggest jing liu instead of acheron i wonder why suddenly ratio is mentioned
I dont like her video, Dr.Ratio not only is one of the best dps of the game, but his "conditions" are easy to trigger, he gets free crit rate/crit damage with his talents, and most importantly he is an imaginary unit, there are a billion enemies in the game that are weak to that + if for some reason u have his LC half of your needs are completed from it.
And as Poki said, if this was a comparison in if F2P should invest first in her or Ratio, yes, BUT this is a video sayin that he is bad and dificult to gear, and thats not true.
And she was saying that her Acheron was bad but she is wearin her LC, thats like 40+% damage increase over all and she is able to ult more, i dont understand the point of this video unless is just downgrade Dr.Ratio.
But its her channel its her video and its my choice to not like the video and all of this is fine + i like her content 😊
13:40 and thats a good point, a lot of guides are asumming a lot , but for new players its confusing cx
Loving the new outro music!
do I get S1 Acheron LC or Adventurine? Idk what to do help😭
If you like your Acheron and want to play her with comfort her LC. If you really need a sustainer for your account, go for Aventurine.
What are your builds characters ?
Go for Aventurine if you don't have any or only one good sustain. Go for S1 Acheron if your happy with your sustain situation.
I got Acheron LC and i can confirm that it's super busted, Gallagher is already one of if not the best sustain for Acheron so you don't really need to pull for aventurine unless you need a sustain for your second team.
Hmm. This depends. With acheron you can run her with gnsw and she should be able to clear moc 12 without much difficulty. If you lack sustain, go for adventurine.
Aventurine work good with all current 4 star (and 5 star LC) so get Acheron LC if you can't afford her E2. Aventurine LC is whale bait for Acheron team because it gives a debuff toward Acheron ULT stack.
the problem is that this game is not one you can rush. its a time investment that you have to play the long game with. you don't start building units properly until you've reached the endgame. everything else up until then is slowly increasing the amount of power you have with existing units, farming materials, etc. you focus on gathering materials for ascending, traces and light cones for a core team that'll carry you through the game and then slowly build up from there.
dr. ratio isn't a "scam" but he doesn't work very well until you build a team that plays around him. acheron should not be a baseline for power as she's quite literally a pay to win power creep character. she's intentionally broken within the current game's stages and will likely balance out or be power crept yet again later down the line. the whole point of gacha games is that as a free to play or newer player you're always going to be "behind" the current wave because that's how gacha games force you to whale. the only issue is, whaleing on gacha pulls will only get you so far if you're coasting on raw numbers alone. you're still going to have to make an effort to get gear but that's quite literally the last thing you'll do in honkai star rail and its a never ending process.
It’s always been like this… I’m a day one player and still for a long long time I had to push through the game with a hook and then I got seele and pushed through with a purple relic seele and a sushang on MoC, you push thought the main game and slowly you get the tools… I couldn’t look at guides that said “oh just use seele Bronya Tingyun and bailu “
i am 100% convinced that Acheron was just a mistake to bring to the game, too much damage, too little drawback and her multipliers are way overtuned. reading on leaksites, saying she was going to be bad because she is was to limiting. my brain was in so much pain from reading those comments.
I think it was just a combination of Acheron not being out yet and her just feeling better than any other character in the game tbh. Like for example if it was Dan heng rather than Acheron, I think it wouldn't have been the same feeling.
People just underestimated how good Acheron would be, is what it is
The thing is she also doesn't know how she would feel if she went for JL instead. I think the exact same video was gonna be made about her, being oblivious to Acheron's state this time, when compared to the rest of the cast. She also has sparkle, so I think even Dan would get the same video done because she's kinda oblivious to the "normal" state of the game.
I started playing a week before Ruan Mei's banner ended.
By the time Dr Ratio came out the only DPSes i've had were Dan Heng and physical MC (only got supports on the banners). The game was a bit of a slog with these units.
When I got Ratio i absolutely stomped the storyline, exploration elite fights, sim uni. Obviously i didn't manage to clear MoC 12 in a month, but investing in Ratio definitely wasn't a waste.
I mean, if you dont have Dr Ratio built for your Imaginary counter team comps. Who else are you gonna build? Yukong?
I think the problem is that she herself is very sweaty and is in a rush trying to reach the level of a day 1 player as quickly as possible. That is why she feels her investment is wasted on ratio and topaz because acheron just came out and she didnt make the most optimal route for her account to maximize her progression.
Well she will soon realise that it doesnt really matter and that her investment is actually not wasted at all and she will find use for all those units.
All of us had to invest in several sub optimal units. I myself build 4 star dan heng and serval early game and tried to clear whatever I could with them and now I dont use them anymore. Just imagine how hard that must have been for us then and Yes the resources have gone to waste but it is not worth sweating about every single bit of resource. Once you start playing long term those sub optimal investments made in early game makes no real impact on the account. I now have like 20+ maxed out units with 1500+ purple books and purple LC exp and have 24 million in credits. You start to overflow in resources so much that it doesnt matter. Just farm relics and pray to RNGESUS. Even if you farm the wrong set you can still use rainbow. It doesn't matter what you do early game. People just need to stop being sweaty about min maxing their progression to end game. Just enjoy the struggle of early game because you are gonna miss it.
She just feels this way because of being in a very unique situation of having a free dr ratio on every player account and the release of the most broken game ending unit in HSR.
I don't know if I would go so far to say that the community is actively gatekeeping new playsers (knowingly or not). However, I do agree that a lot of guides can feel intimidating or unhelpful to someone who is either new to the game, or just not good at the game (me).
A lot of the guides are geared for cranking out the highest possible damage with the most optimized relics and the perfect team builds with equally optimized relics (also with perfect speed tuning sprinkled on top). There is absolutely a place for such guides, but to someone who lacks confidence in what they can achieve in the game (for whatever reason), it makes then feel more like wishful thinking, and out of touch with the reality of your experience in game.
Within guides like that, I know they already talk about if a character is F2P friendly or not to be able to achieve the greatest possible use out of them. It may also be beneficial to talk about how useful they are at different stages in the game. Like, this unit can perform well independently and is good through most of the early game but falls of in the late game when u have more options, but this other character needs a certain team to work so isnt useful early game but can carry in the end game when u can make the right team.
I think it could also help making guides specifically for how to approach the game at different stages. Not so much mechanical guides, but more about things to focus on and prioritize early game vs mid game vs end game. I havnt watched Pokke's beginner guide yet, so maybe he nails it, but I cant say I've seen many videos about how to get the best experience out of the game, especially for early/casual/unskilled players.
I dont think the issue is that guides are bad and misleading, i think it's that there is an oversaturation of guides geared towards endgame content and maxing stats on max level accounts. By comparison there is a deficit of videos focusing on the game in a more general sense for people just trying to figure out how to have a good time with the game and get the most enjoyment for their time.
At least that has been my experience and the vibes I have gotten.
Watch the solo trailblazer videos that Moosashi makes. That demonstrates what content is like when you aren’t trying to redline the engine for endgame. Add 3 random party members and moosashi would be stomping everything and he’s doing it with a unit that can’t break anything that isn’t weak to physical or fire.
When I first got Dr. Ratio he changed my entire account. I had no solid Dps so Ratio carried me the entire way. Once I got Acheron, my Ratio got benched. Acheron just powercrept my Ratio.(I also have Acheron e2 S1) It did not matter when my Acheron was e0 S1, she still outperformed my lvl70 Ratio when she was lvl50.
29:39 thank you for adding this context - I've watched the Tectone video and responses, and this helps a great deal in understanding her frustrations when you see the actual twitter replies
Great video MrPokke!
As a new player i would say its difficult only because unless the banner is up there is no way for me to get game changing characters and i have to rely on current limited or available standard banner. When will I get FuXuan? Apart from conjecture and random guessing I dont actually know for sure. So if a new player struggles with no forseeable escape yeah they might quit. I dont want to spend resources on a character and next month the character i wanted comes out and now i cant build them.
i havent seen any new players echoing this sentiment that the HSR bar to entry is so unbelievably high i dont understand electing yourself as the voice of reason for new players when u already have multiple limited 5 stars is helpful to anyone but yourself and being AR 64 u should know how the game works by now
Dr Ratio the only reason I have 36 star in MOC there is no scam he works very well especially in this MOC with trotter giving him 5 debuffs easily. I've played for 81 days and have 36 star moc and 12 star pf. Was there luck involved in regards to relics, lightcones and characters acquired in banners? yes was there some resetting and changing strategy in moc and pf to get max star? yes is the game somewhat complicated? sure but thats a plus in my book if game doesn't have any depth to it than it will not stay interesting long. Overall though game is simple enough when you actually play it boss mechanics and character kits are explained clearly.
There are tons of guides you can look at to find what teams are good at every lvl of investment if you don't want to figure it out for yourself. You get free 5 star when you start the game with beginner banner and theres a ton of jades available permanently to allow new players to get 2 limited characters of their choice at worst possible luck with more jades every update. New player experience is pretty good imo I don't feel like I'm suffering or anything without limited sustain like what a lot of people like the say and my progression through the content was quite quick I haven't even got a single character to lvl 80 yet but was able to clear.
I started HSR about 2.5 months ago and was able to beat all the story content and one team game modes with Dr. Ratio/Pela/Lynx/Fire MC...and I didn't farm relics for them, most of them were 4* relics at +9 with crappy stats. The first character I fully invested in was Acheron and while I agree that she makes the game that much easier, especially for casual players, Dr Ratio really carried me until I got her.