My vote is for Pure Sky. Better sound, better price. If you're worried about quality, keep in mind you can buy FOUR Pure Skys for the price of a Timmy ($129), and TEN for the price of the Vemuram ($395).
Pure Sky made the cut for my pedalboard for a "Timmy" style pedal. Mosky golden horse made it for a "Klon" clone. A budget pedalboard can sound great after some intense research from people such as yourselves. Good side by side comparison.
@@melodicshredder5834 It's all what your preference is really. I use the pure sky before to pre-amp the klon. I keep both units at a fairly low gain setting. My boss DS-1 for heavier distortion. All three can be used separately or combinations on both my clean and gain channels for getting multitudes of varying flavors. I try to set them as to minimize having to use my guitars volume too much.
@@SirLoinMagroin nice, my current order is caline pure sky(pre gain eq) - mooer black secret turbo rat - joyo vod ts808 - mooer hustle drive ocd - nux horseman klon(post gain fluidity). after a lot of shuffling I've settled with this order.
@@melodicshredder5834 I'm feelin' ya on the shuffling lol. I recommend doing it with all the pedals on the floor or a desk too because it's a heck of a lot easier than rerouting them once on a velcro pedalboard {found out the hard way}. I have 3 complete pedal boards now which can be chained together over 40 pedals in addition to an ME-80 boss floorboard and my Katana floorboard. It's a sickness lol. But I learned a lot.
I put my pride aside and started using the silver horse because it sounds so much better than a tube screamer. I also use a big muff clone mini pedal because even my Nano Muff takes more space than I'd like. Some clones and sub-$50 pedals can be so unreliable that I wouldn't put them on my board. Even the silver horse can't be daisy chained without making a high pitched electronic whine. I also have a couple of behringers because how can you not have the super fuzz? And an OCD clone with a cute graphic that makes a good clean boost. I've swapped the Caline Snakebite and a Sonicake reverb/delay combo in and out at various times. And they all sit beside an HX Stomp, Wamplers, Walrus Audios and a whole bunch of obscure Boss pedals.
@@adriantomo5688I've had mine on my board for 5 years now and it's been fantastic.
4 года назад+21
Great shootout! For the money the Caline Pure Sky and for the sounds! Timmy does kick out the sounds but I would buy the Pure Sky! They are selling as low as $31.99 out the door here with free shipping in the USA.
I have a Pure Sky £18 new and shipped and honestly it’s sounds fantastic and in comparison to the Vemuram Jan Ray in my opinion has very little overall tonal/overdrive difference, definitely not better 15 times more, so I am very happy with my Pure Sky purchase and I won’t be sucked in and paying an extortionate price for some with such minimal difference. The most surprising thing to me is that with the Vemuram Jan Ray costing so much more in price you would think the manufacturer would be able to label the control pots of their pedal with the vol, gain, treble, bass and not leave it blank!! And I would also expect the manufacturer when asked to be able to tell you what the definite control functions are and not be unsure, so for this reason only you may think it’s petty but I would definitely never buy the Jan Ray as I expect a builder to know their own product inside out.
I like the Caline pedals for the most part. My main complaint with them is that they do not ground the aluminum box, which makes them hum in certain circumstances. It is easy enough to fix, but I think every Caline pedal I have purchased had circuit or component value and pot taper errors as well as the non-grounded box. They sound good though and if you have the ability to work out the kinks yourself they can be great bargains. I have had to swap linear volume pots for log (audio) taper pots in them also. All these Chinese pedals seem to get the pot tapers wrong. Again, if you have the ability to deal with the technical issues they are pretty good bang for the buck. I have found the Demonfx pedals to be much better in terms of build quality. I have not had to change the circuitry in any of the ones I have purchased.
I'm a relative pedal novice - though I do now have over 20 - and I bought this because I found a deal I couldn't resist, not knowing much beyond that it was an overdrive pedal. It wasn't until after I plugged it in and played it for a few hours that I was moved to find out more. I loved it that much. I've been using tube screamer and various amp sim pedals for OD, but this thing... Smooth, transparent, musical, sounds like the color it is, cool blue. So I guess I'm a Timmy fan!
I have both of them in my big pedalboard and they are fantastic. Different good sounds. In pedals, nowadays, you dont have to spend hundreds for havin a pro-sound!
The Pure Sky is a incredible sounding pedal and for $32 it's a no brainer and my favorite overdrive to date regardless of cost.. The Pure Sky and Vemuram sounds almost identical and considering how much the Vemuram costs, I'm seriously impressed with the Caline as this pedal is very transparent and tight.
Just picked up the Andes from Caline which is the Pure sky plus a boost, basically a Tim but you can swap whether the boost goes after or before the drive. Quite a monster
Updated, I changed my board and use a Pure Sky as my first gain stage, it just works and gets me all the grit I need. I also notice the Pure Sky has more "room" on the knobs and gets to the same gain and EQ levels on the other pedals earlier, which can be nice if you turn your gain north of 12 'o clock a lot.
I just got the Caline Orange Burst which is supposed to be the Xotic BB Preamp. It’s an amazing medium gain tone. I’ve heard amazing reviews of the Blue Sky and would like to get it to pair with the Orange Burst. I’ve seen videos where they stack amazing together. And I’ve been borrowing a friend’s original Paul Cochrane Timmy and the Orange Burst and the Timmy pair amazingly well together.
We just received the Sundance Special from Caline...its a dual pedal with one half being the Orange Burst...and yes its a really good sounding pedal...the video will be up shortly!!
Oh man all on was a great gain stack and as amazing as the Caline sounds for the buck, the way the drive responds on the Vemuram is insane - it sounds like an amp!
I have listened many pedal shows and in my experience ( listening on bose headphones ) the tiniest differences can make or breake a pedal on my fender tube amps. Sounds experiences are so personal and mood subjective to some that there can't be a "best" pedal unless you are looking at quality of components used. But sounds wise. To me here's an ocasion for every pedal vs money available to buy.
I have collected pedals for 20 years now and so I always like to try out these cheap pedals to see if they stand up to the classics. The Pure Sky is pretty good at the Timmy sound, but like most cheap pedals, they always have this inherent noise, hiss, and fizz that's just part of having cheap components internally. for a hobby player it's fine but I wouldn't use one live or in a studio. A few of my Caline and Moen pedals actually pick up radio signals at times 🤣
Most people don't gig and they don't get this. I have some cheaper chinese pedals and they sound really good but they do introduce some noise and they do change your sound a bit or quite a bit sometimes. My Movall Minotaur is a really good Klon knockoff but the buffer inside it is the worse :) Quality pedals change your tone for the better even when switched off.
It's the components. They're just not as quality, from a sonic perspective so they're gonna introduce a lot of electronically created transients and noise. Much like a bad antenna on a radio.
I originally bought the Pure Sky as a way of adding transparent OD to my sound. However, I quickly realized that it's a brilliant always on pedal, just adding a sparkle to the overall sound. Plus it can add amp-like dirt, plus my boost pedals sound better going through it. It feels wrong to have a $40 pedal as the basis of my sound, but it is. Crazy!
well since the mxr and vemuran didn't demonstrate any more capability or sonic quality/character the choice is simple Pure Sky for the savings. sure being a budget pedal pure sky may not have their quality control dialed in but hey return it and get a new one if possible or if it breaks just get another one.
pure sky is the best overdrive (imo) ever. Ive tried to replace it with many "boutique" OD's, but honestly nothing comes close. My main amps, depending on the gig, are a 1962 Gibson Falcon, 1970 Deluxe Reverb, or a 1973 Vibrolux Reverb, and the pure sky can be easily set to give each a transparent boost or mild OD. My V1 Xotic RC booster going into it is the absolute tits.
My gf's nephew got the Ragnarok delay/reverb by Caline, for Christmas 2020 from Amazon. Out of the box, it did not work. The local music store sussed out the problem. I don't remember what they said the problem was. It may have been as little a problem as the power cord was faulty. I asked the kid how he likes it. He says that he does.
I'm good with my Timmy, but the other two sound fine as well! Note that on the Timmy the bass and treble controls are not what you typically expect and need to be dialed in as such. First, they are cut only, with no boost. Then, the bass cut is before the overdrive, which is very helpful to avoid muddying things up, and the treble cut is after the overdrive.
I heard someone say the Pure Sky is the same way in that the bass is before the overdrive and the treble is after. But maybe they were mistaken and were getting the Timmy and the Pure Sky confused.
I chuckled at the comment on turning off the reverb for the purists. If you had a subtle reverb or delay turned on, you'd think you were playing through ten envelope filters and a Metalzone with all knobs on ten, based on how some people complain.
I've gigged with the Pure Sky for two years with no problems. The build quality is fine and not an issue. Save your money and buy it. With MXR you're just paying for the name.
Nothing is sexier than a bunch of guys in a three-way! LOL. Thanks for doing the Pure Jan Ray Timmy gang bang! Sounds like you all found what I discovered is the big differences between the Timmy and the Pure Sky - the mid-range content. My Tim is much flatter than my Pure Sky, when knobs are set equivalent. Probably due to the chip, but it could partially be due to variations in the component values. The chip in the Timmy's a LF353 according to the MXR website. But I bet it's a 4558 in the Pure Sky, the TS chip kinda known for dropping the highs thus creating a more mid-range output. But one can easily counter the extra mids in the Pure Sky by adjusting the bass and treble. The Pure Sky has equivalent of the "most headroom and symmetrical" clipping setting of the Timmy, which I think is the middle position on the mini Timmy. It'll be the one that sounds the loudest and least compressed. Like a tubescreamer (and these circuits aren't that different), they do sound better pushing another pedal (like your Box of Rock). That's when you get that cool cock-wah sound. Pedal idea: Box of Cock that dials in the cocked-wah sound on it's own. Probably been done... Ali Express sells most of these Chinese pedals dirt cheap, but the prices on Amazon are catching up in lowness. Pure Sky today on Ali Express... $22 US. Cheers, fellas. Stay healthy!
Haha...you make it sound so sexy!! I think like Matt said the EHX Cock Fight does that kinda stuff, and MXR make the Q Zone...I don't think they have any overdrive or distortion in it though - just the cocked wah kinda thing. Thank you Andrew
You can notice a very minor difference when you A/B the Pure Sky with the Vemuram, with the Vemuram being slightly more controlled. Neither one is better per se. The secret is not to A/B them and save a few hundred $$.
I just got Pure Sky. Also considered TC MojoMojo. I just wanted a light, transparent overdrive to get clean with a little dirt. The quality is not the best one - i need to push in/out jacks with significant power, the pots rotates with different smoothness. The sound is a kind of transparent, but the treble tends to get harsh. Clipping is rather like in my Rat clone (Magus pro), not TS or SD-1. I need to give it a try on proper tube Amp. Btw. Now I can see how Rat is a great pedal (my TC clone to be honest). I could have 3 Rats for 3 different purposes...or even 4 (light overdrive, overdrive, distortion, fuzz). It can do everything, especially stacked with TS
The best shootout I have watched. Unbiased and honest and entertaining. As a gearhead, shootouts are the most valuable videos. A suggestion is the Hudson Broadcast to a Strymon Riverside.
Thank you very much David! I’ve heard a LOT of good things about the Hudson Broadcast but I’ve never had the chance to try one...I’ll see if I can make it happen!!
Wooaa great video! Thank you soooo much! I'm the guy who suggested this comparisson. And as you realized was very very interesting. 5081 views it;s not bad at all, and let me tell you this number will raise when people realized how close in sound are but how distant in price.
Haha...yeah...I’d love a blow on my Fano!! I really like the PUs in that Fano...which are what they call “proprietary designed and spec’d P90s” ...they have a lot of output and sound really good! I usually like JM style PUs...and more the lower output 50s style ones...but I also really like the humbuckers in my Ibanez AS100...I think Ibanez called them Super58...I think I usually go for slightly darker PUs with a lot of string definition...it’s an interesting question...maybe I need to go through a bunch of my guitars and see what I like and don’t like about the PUs!! Thank you Matt!! Gabor
@@TSFAHTPS You're welcome, mate. I've been using HH guitars lately but your tone has me thinking I should return to my SSS strat and P90-equipped SG (Duncan P-90 "Buckers", splittable). I do need to drop a new set of PU in a another Strat and my Tele Deluxe, so you've given me something to think about. Not happy with either of those - perhaps an offset with PU inspired by your preferences could be an option. We'll take a look at that Fano after you buy me a drink :X Cheers. Have a great day.
Caline has made the Highway Man, Pure Sky and the Schwartzenator - all with the CP-25 circuit board. These pedals are virtually identical with the exception of the pot tapers, particularly the tone controls. Sonically the only difference between them is the psychological difference in how you set the comntrols. In other words - they are all the same, you just have to adjust them with your ears. Same with the Dolamo overdrive pedal. Same circuit, smaller box. They are all Timmy clones so any of these pedals will get you there if you take the time to find the settings that YOU like. Caline has made the Highwayman, Pure Sky and the Schwartzenator - all with the CP-25 circuit board. These pedals are virtually identical with the exception of the pot tapers, particularly the tone controls. Sonically the only difference between them is the psychological difference in how you set the comntrols. In other words - they are all the same, you just have to adjust them with your ears. Same with the Dolamo overdrive pedal. Same circuit, smaller box. They are all Timmy clones so any of these pedals will get you there if you take the time to find the settings that YOU like.
I always heard that the Dolamo overdrive, which has a Caline built PCB inside, was a clone of the BB Preamp. That would make it the equivalent of Caline's Orange Burst or the Big Orange.
@@onlyusernameleft2 - I did not hear my info, I opened it up and charted the pedal out. The Dolamo D-8 did not use the Caline CP-25 board like I suspected, but it is part for part identical to the CP-25. I recently got a CP-12 and found they juiced the output compared to the CP-25 by changing a resistor in the 2nd gain stage. I do not understand why they would do this. It makes the output volume pot much too sensitive, with unity gain around 9:00. I like to be able to get the level pot up in the 11:00 range before it starts acting like a boost pedal. Caline also recently boosted the output of the CP-46 "Fuzzy Bear". I only caught this as I was modifying one of the ones I just bought. Apparently people complained that they had to turn the volume control all the way up. Wellm guess what? That's how a Fuzz Face works. I'm glad I caught it though because I don't think it would have worked well with my mods.
An update to my comment about the increased gain in the Caline Pure Sky - I find I kind of like what the extra boost does in this pedal. It allows a slight bit more overdrive from the 2nd op-amp stage as the gain is turned up. The character of the resulting overdrive is nicer than I expected. The linear taper volume pot is too sensitive in the unity gain range. A log taper pot helps smooth this out.
well as you know this circuit is quite simple and standard, so no surprise here to hear close tones. Main difference is at tone knobs down, meaning the hi mids are more present (fix) in the jan ray. bought a pure sky B stock from amazon for 28 euros. it sounds better with humbuckers in my opinion. great value for the price, but I cannot in the end see why there is so much hype around all these 3 boxes anyway. Paying more than 300 euros for a tube screamer like circuit (check it out it's true!, apart from 2 more diodes in the soft clipping stage) is quite ... strange.
I got the Orange burst and its impressive. Frankly I thought it sounded better than much more expensive USA pedal it's based on. To me, It has more clarity and is not muddy. I just ordered the pure sky. Didn't hesitate.. Looking fwd to trying it out..
i had both the puresky and orange burst. let the orange burst go only cos it was noisy, probably not a difficult fix. Hooked up my puresky today after watching this video. Orange burst was more similar to the TS
Depends on what your using them with.. The vemuram sounds best at low to medium gain, it’s not for high gain stuff, more for blue/rock, but not hard rock metal stuff...
For me Vemuram, Pure sky and Timmy in that order, You guys will really hate me for this, but if you add Mosky Amp Turbo and Danelectro Transparent Drive V1 (discontinued for V2) to this comparisson you will make history. Not kidding. This last 2 are as cheap as the Pure Sky and let me tell you that this cheap pedals are revolutionazing the world.
Timmy has bass and treble cut knobs. Pure Sky has neutral at 12 o'clock...I think the other one as well. So if you wanted comparable results.... Have to use the knobs differently. The knobs are totally different. Much more so than the units are.
I had a Caline pure sky. Bought it. Cheap. Played it , loved it. Three weeks later it started to become heratic and very unreliable ... cracks, volume drops...
Thats a shame, sorry to hear that. Was that recently or a while ago? I believe their quality control is much more strict now then what it used to be and the quality of the parts seems really quite good on the one I have
@@TSFAHTPS I bought it about 1.5 years ago, and loved it while it worked. Hopefully it's more stabke by now. Thx for the show, you're doing great job !
@@fredhystair5789 imo every product, cheap or expensive, can have that exactly kind of problems. sometimes its just bad lucky and you shouldve returned it and exchange for the same pedal.
Awesome! Been waiting for this one. The Caline Dion is very impressive :p If you ever get a chance, try out the DOD Looking Glass. It's in the same camp as these kinds of drives, more or less.
The Timmy costs more than 10 times as much as the Pure Sky. The Pure Sky is the clearest Timmy of the three pedals! For me the Pure Sky is unbeatable. Vemuram is simply a joke.
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr Id rather take the bus and look at the scenes than a taxi and look at the meter..., my most expensive amp is the Peavey Bandit Transtube 112 for 380€s, a lot louder than a Vem Jray pedal...
@@kimmolingonheimo that’s a fantastic analogy. I struggle so much with this point. I often worry about trying to impress people I don’t even like or I don’t even know. I’ve gigged with a Boss Katana and Squier Bullet and Joyo and Caline pedals and sounded just like I do when I use the expensive gear. And you’re so right. I look at the meter often and I worry “it’s too expensive” when I can just use my affordable pedals, amp and guitar and just enjoy playing music.
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr price is something different than being able to use in a live setting and getting the job done. An expensive product might produced in a distant location, using quality materials and be engineered for years. Apart from the production cost characteristics, in a live setting sound details are often neglected. It’s hard to tell if someone is using TS mini or a handwired one. Lastly it’s that has to do with settings, any piece of gear has some good and some weak spots, used a guitar once which was great up to 10-12th fret but higher parts were awful and serious repairs required. Dunno but I think that’s judging something expensive just by comparing with something cheaper is as dumb as looking for expensive gear without being aware of why spending the extra cash
You should've grabbed my Decabelics Golden Horse for this video too. Pretty impressed by the Caline. I run my big muff and blues driver into my Decabelics and like your guest was saying, makes the fuzz and blues driver sound awesome.
Hmm, I have 2 old Timmy's and a Tym. Also a Jan Ray. The Timmy's and the Tym have a beautiful clean range and sounds very different to this MXR. The Jan Ray has a "Saturation" trimmer which makes it less boomy and still has a very full sound. Unfortunately the Caline is ok flat out with treble at or below 12, but otherwise sounds fizzy and the clean on it is weedy. Overall it sounds as a "general" overdrive.
I have owned the Pure Sky for 2 years now >>> It emulates the most compressed setting on the Timmy from what I read. The first time I played through the Caline, the cleans felt 'velvet-y', balanced and so smooth. I didn't like the overdrive and never will.. it's NOT touch sensitive, is muddy and lacks note separation when driven. Because of all this, I like the OCD more as it reacts to your playing dynamics much more and cleans up great just with your touch. However, the Pure Sky is great for EQ'ing and is very transparent.. It also functions really well to reduce the volume for late night playing (Master volume of sorts).. I love playing through it because it has that subtle compression which feels like playing on velvet.. and the string to string balance is so sweet...
I'm not a good guitarist, but I don't think it's better than the Vemuran or the Mxr ... but it's not ridiculous next to it, when you know its price ... realizes that it has a great quality / price ratio.
I like the way you guys have a little mid range and low end on your dry sound so many reviewers just put this trebly nothing tone. The sounds are so close it really doesn’t matter, depends on what song you’re playing. people listen to the song first and then critique the guitar sounds maybe never.
Thanks Jeffrey...yeah we both like mids...especially low mids!! And I totally agree...they are so close...almost impossible to hear much of a difference in a song
I purchased the Pure Sky, and one, I think it is Caline's best looking pedal. I think their graphics and names, their overall branding is horrible. Like atrocious. But the Pure Sky is a really nice blue, like it makes me feel good just looking at it. And the knobs vibe with the blue, like they're puffy white clouds drifting across the pure blue sky. The font work is not good (at all) but it gets out of the way the most of the Caline pedals. Caline it seems revamped their graphic design on their latest pedals, added like 40 to 100% to the price, and I swear none of the pedals sound all that good, and the new graphics are worse than the old graphics. They're more hype, but they're also more bad, so really hyped bad graphics. I really feel like I could do the graphics/branding for Caline, and move them into the legitimate class of pedal manufacturers rather than "cheap Chinese knock offs that will break in a month if you use them" category. I'm speaking about the consumer's perception of the brand, obviously, because... Two, the Pure Sky sounds good. I got it a couple months back, and I initially wasn't that into it, I was actually really disappointed. I'll say this, I believe they use low quality electronic components within their circuits, as it seems like there is a LOT of variance/tolerance in the components, as my Pure Sky is the gainiest Pure Sky I've ever heard. I've watched countless demos of it, and it is a low gain overdrive that can go and get pretty mid gainy. But my Pure Sky starts at harder low gain, and goes right into midgain, and then beyond... Unfortunately, I was looking for a "transparent" low gain overdrive. I have an amp with a good clean channel, but a crap crunch channel, and a crap lead channel. They're both geared for heavy metal, and are just a hornet's nest of buzzing white noise. SO, I have to go to pedals for break up, and so I was looking for a low gain overdrive (I have a Centaur clone, the Soul Food, and a tube screamer clone, the East River Drive, both of which are dope but are pretty medium gainy pedals). So, I'd listened to demos of the Pure Sky, and it did really nice low gain, on the clean side of the edge of break up sound. But mine doesn't do that. My gain knob starts on the broken up edge of breakup, and goes up in gain from there. So, I didn't get what I wanted, but after my initial disappointment, I've started using the Pure Sky, or rather MY Pure Sky for what it is, and what it sounds good doing. In that respect, the Pure Sky is a totally legit pedal. I think it totally hangs with the Jan Ray, as demonstrated by this video. I'm not listening in the studio, but have a pretty good pair of ear buds on, and I did not prefer the Jan Ray over the Pure Sky, in fact, I'm pretty sure I like the Pure Sky better. So, forget the "Budget Overdrive" nonsense, at least in terms of sound. It sounds good. As good as the best overdrives in the world... remembering that above a certain threshold, all pedals are just differentiated by taste, taste being in the tongue of the beholder, to mix metaphors. And this Caline Pure Sky is well above that threshold. Maybe you can't get a "Bad" sound out of the Jan Ray, like whatever the knobs are set to, you'll get a good sound, and MAYBE that is not the case with the Pure Sky.. BUT that doesn't make the Jan Ray the better pedal. In my experience, there is a huge diversity in guitar rigs. There are bright pickups, dark pickups, midrangey pickups, crisp clean pots, muddy pots, plinky fret boards, thick fret boards, different cables with different capacitance... and that is before any of the really, really varied active electronics get involved, like buffers, pedals, the preamp stage of the amp, the power section, the wattage, the speakers in the cab, the number of speakers, the proportions of the cab itself... there is just a HUGE range of tones in people's rigs, and I find that pedals that have an extreme range in their knobs, like perhaps a treble knob gets way too trebley... maybe that is for you, but players with thick sounding frretboards, dark pickups, muddy pots, heavy pedals, a deep amp combo... that extra treble may be just perfect to get some brightness in that player's rig. It might be too bright on yours, but it is just right on his. But if we put the Jan Ray in the same situation, and the knobs don't go to extremes, that guy with the overall dark rig, may find the Jan Ray unusable, it's just not bright enough for his rig... get me? I'd rather have a pedal with knobs with more range than I need, than a pedal with knobs with less range than I need. Just my $10,000 opinion. And another reasonable insight: It is strangely ironic actually, but it seems like these anonymous, faceless, massive Chinese pedal manufacturers are actually like mom and pop, kind of boutique pedal companies. Like they don't know what they are doing, they're just downloading circuits off the web, slapping stuff together, not really understanding the circuits, they've got someone they know, maybe a cousin that is "good at drawing" doing their design work, a guy or gal who has no business designing pedals for the US market, at least. A real rag tag, yankee capitalist kind of operation. Stealing circuits, selling for cutrate/cutthroat prices... Anybody getting what I'm putting down? Anyway, buy a Pure Sky, you'll find a use for it. It even stacks, don't trip. Look, a $40 pedal is a reasonable price for the cost of the parts, manufacturing, and distribution. I just read someone saying that the cheapest "real" pedal should be $200... that's crazy talk. Do you want to take a look in just about any consumer electronic product that has way more components in the circuit, the circuit is a hundred times more complex, the circuit actually does quite a bit, and it is $5.00... $40 is a reasonable price. I left the guitar world, for a couple decades... plus. I was just over it. But I've been back for 4 years, and in that gap, it seems like the guitar world just accepted ridiculously high prices. I remember brand new Gibson Les Pauls costing $800 and people thinking that was way too much money... A $50 Boss pedal was way too expensive. Now, if you get a pedal for $250 with $10 in components, $10 in labor, and that is a screaming good deal. People are spending on PICS what cheap guitars used to cost. I don't know man, people have flipped their lid. And I feel like these music gear companies have just turned up at the creamery, ready to milk the guitar playing cows, and the cows are just fine with it. Like a $100, 10 foot guitar/instrument cable is normal now. Are all y'all crazy. Stop spending stupid money on gear that is DIRT cheap to make and market. If you stop paying the ridiculous prices, the companies will stop charging the ridiculous prices, and will start charging only a reasonable margin over cost. Wow, I'm ranting. Peace out.
What sometimes happens with cheap mass produced pedals is when they run out of a certain component/spec, they will substitute it with what they have on hand that will work for the circuit but of course vary the sound to some degree. Or use 20% tolerance components which can have a similar effect.
My Pure Sky sounded great ..... until it died 1 year after I bought it. Poor quality materials, great sound. I can buy 4 Calines for less than 1 Vemuram. I think Vemuram is overpriced, period, I'll never buy one.
i already stop buying more overdrives. i got TC electronics mojomojo will do. actually i found joy connect the guitar directly to the amp and adjusting the knobs to get desired sound.
I hate that I started with The Duelist and Protein......then King Tone Blues Power....Then a video comparing the Blues Power to the Jan Ray....then throw the Timmy in the mix and compare to the Jan Ray....and now the Caline Pure Sky. Come full circle and these are just overdrives that don't touch the Blues Power or have the dynamic of The Duelist. Frustrating.
ruclips.net/video/_1a2sQpUbMY/видео.html The difference between the Caline and the MXR is a lot less in this comparison. I would say they are interchangeable, I definitely wouldn’t be able to say which was which in a blind test
My vote is for Pure Sky. Better sound, better price. If you're worried about quality, keep in mind you can buy FOUR Pure Skys for the price of a Timmy ($129), and TEN for the price of the Vemuram ($395).
try the Mosky Preamp Deluxe, about 35€s!! ; )
Can't go wrong with the Pure Sky. Love mine.
Pure Sky made the cut for my pedalboard for a "Timmy" style pedal. Mosky golden horse made it for a "Klon" clone. A budget pedalboard can sound great after some intense research from people such as yourselves. Good side by side comparison.
Pure sky before or after klon sounds better?
@@melodicshredder5834 It's all what your preference is really. I use the pure sky before to pre-amp the klon. I keep both units at a fairly low gain setting. My boss DS-1 for heavier distortion. All three can be used separately or combinations on both my clean and gain channels for getting multitudes of varying flavors. I try to set them as to minimize having to use my guitars volume too much.
@@SirLoinMagroin nice, my current order is caline pure sky(pre gain eq) - mooer black secret turbo rat - joyo vod ts808 - mooer hustle drive ocd - nux horseman klon(post gain fluidity). after a lot of shuffling I've settled with this order.
@@melodicshredder5834 I'm feelin' ya on the shuffling lol. I recommend doing it with all the pedals on the floor or a desk too because it's a heck of a lot easier than rerouting them once on a velcro pedalboard {found out the hard way}. I have 3 complete pedal boards now which can be chained together over 40 pedals in addition to an ME-80 boss floorboard and my Katana floorboard. It's a sickness lol. But I learned a lot.
I put my pride aside and started using the silver horse because it sounds so much better than a tube screamer. I also use a big muff clone mini pedal because even my Nano Muff takes more space than I'd like. Some clones and sub-$50 pedals can be so unreliable that I wouldn't put them on my board. Even the silver horse can't be daisy chained without making a high pitched electronic whine. I also have a couple of behringers because how can you not have the super fuzz? And an OCD clone with a cute graphic that makes a good clean boost. I've swapped the Caline Snakebite and a Sonicake reverb/delay combo in and out at various times. And they all sit beside an HX Stomp, Wamplers, Walrus Audios and a whole bunch of obscure Boss pedals.
Pure Sky is brilliant, works well with my Marshall, Vox and even the Katana! I also use it with the Joyo American into the PA, best value ever.
I have the american sound as well, I use it even with a frontman 15g amp, sounds way better
Me too. I use it with American Sound and i'm very satisfied. Pure Sky sounds killer 🤟
is the pure sky still intact after 1 year of usage?
This is good to know I have the joyo American already. Nice to hear that they pair well together
@@adriantomo5688I've had mine on my board for 5 years now and it's been fantastic.
Great shootout! For the money the Caline Pure Sky and for the sounds! Timmy does kick out the sounds but I would buy the Pure Sky! They are selling as low as $31.99 out the door here with free shipping in the USA.
The Pure Sky is great...and cheap...definitely worth a try! Thanks José
@@TSFAHTPS I'm seriously gonna get one! All the best my amigos!!
Can't go wrong. You won't be disappointed.
I have a Pure Sky £18 new and shipped and honestly it’s sounds fantastic and in comparison to the Vemuram Jan Ray in my opinion has very little overall tonal/overdrive difference, definitely not better 15 times more, so I am very happy with my Pure Sky purchase and I won’t be sucked in and paying an extortionate price for some with such minimal difference.
The most surprising thing to me is that with the Vemuram Jan Ray costing so much more in price you would think the manufacturer would be able to label the control pots of their pedal with the vol, gain, treble, bass and not leave it blank!! And I would also expect the manufacturer when asked to be able to tell you what the definite control functions are and not be unsure, so for this reason only you may think it’s petty but I would definitely never buy the Jan Ray as I expect a builder to know their own product inside out.
I like the Caline pedals for the most part. My main complaint with them is that they do not ground the aluminum box, which makes them hum in certain circumstances. It is easy enough to fix, but I think every Caline pedal I have purchased had circuit or component value and pot taper errors as well as the non-grounded box. They sound good though and if you have the ability to work out the kinks yourself they can be great bargains. I have had to swap linear volume pots for log (audio) taper pots in them also. All these Chinese pedals seem to get the pot tapers wrong. Again, if you have the ability to deal with the technical issues they are pretty good bang for the buck. I have found the Demonfx pedals to be much better in terms of build quality. I have not had to change the circuitry in any of the ones I have purchased.
amazing how full the caline sounds
Yeah it blew us away...
Yes I've sold it and bought it again
I'm a relative pedal novice - though I do now have over 20 - and I bought this because I found a deal I couldn't resist, not knowing much beyond that it was an overdrive pedal. It wasn't until after I plugged it in and played it for a few hours that I was moved to find out more. I loved it that much. I've been using tube screamer and various amp sim pedals for OD, but this thing... Smooth, transparent, musical, sounds like the color it is, cool blue. So I guess I'm a Timmy fan!
Transparency in an overdrive is what made the Klon so famous and sought after so it's in good company for sure.
The Pure Sky is fantastic. Going to order it to go along with the Caline Orange Burst.
That's what I did and I'm very happy!
I have both of them in my big pedalboard and they are fantastic. Different good sounds. In pedals, nowadays, you dont have to spend hundreds for havin a pro-sound!
Do you stack these overdrives or do you use them on different occasions?
@@matterece3164 I run my Pure Sky into a Klone or even my Rat with fantastic results.
@@matterece3164 I use them both ways. When you use both at the same time it's like a third pedal sound.
That seals it, I’m getting the Caline 🙂👌 great review fellas
Hope you’ll like it
I have the pure sky on my pedalboard purely on this video of yours, anyway gigged with it last week, was super nice! 👍🎸🎸
The Pure Sky is a incredible sounding pedal and for $32 it's a no brainer and my favorite overdrive to date regardless of cost.. The Pure Sky and Vemuram sounds almost identical and considering how much the Vemuram costs, I'm seriously impressed with the Caline as this pedal is very transparent and tight.
It's got the goods for a decent price.
Just picked up the Andes from Caline which is the Pure sky plus a boost, basically a Tim but you can swap whether the boost goes after or before the drive. Quite a monster
Updated, I changed my board and use a Pure Sky as my first gain stage, it just works and gets me all the grit I need. I also notice the Pure Sky has more "room" on the knobs and gets to the same gain and EQ levels on the other pedals earlier, which can be nice if you turn your gain north of 12 'o clock a lot.
I just got the Caline Orange Burst which is supposed to be the Xotic BB Preamp. It’s an amazing medium gain tone. I’ve heard amazing reviews of the Blue Sky and would like to get it to pair with the Orange Burst. I’ve seen videos where they stack amazing together. And I’ve been borrowing a friend’s original Paul Cochrane Timmy and the Orange Burst and the Timmy pair amazingly well together.
We just received the Sundance Special from Caline...its a dual pedal with one half being the Orange Burst...and yes its a really good sounding pedal...the video will be up shortly!!
6:56 No clean signal in a TS. Maybe you're thinking of a Klon?
No clean in Timmy either
Oh man all on was a great gain stack and as amazing as the Caline sounds for the buck, the way the drive responds on the Vemuram is insane - it sounds like an amp!
I have listened many pedal shows and in my experience ( listening on bose headphones ) the tiniest differences can make or breake a pedal on my fender tube amps.
Sounds experiences are so personal and mood subjective to some that there can't be a "best" pedal unless you are looking at quality of components used. But sounds wise. To me here's an ocasion for every pedal vs money available to buy.
I have collected pedals for 20 years now and so I always like to try out these cheap pedals to see if they stand up to the classics. The Pure Sky is pretty good at the Timmy sound, but like most cheap pedals, they always have this inherent noise, hiss, and fizz that's just part of having cheap components internally. for a hobby player it's fine but I wouldn't use one live or in a studio. A few of my Caline and Moen pedals actually pick up radio signals at times 🤣
Nothing like listening to the game while you jam 😂
Most people don't gig and they don't get this. I have some cheaper chinese pedals and they sound really good but they do introduce some noise and they do change your sound a bit or quite a bit sometimes. My Movall Minotaur is a really good Klon knockoff but the buffer inside it is the worse :)
Quality pedals change your tone for the better even when switched off.
The pure sky does sound a little harsher. I wonder if that's because of less compression?
It's the components. They're just not as quality, from a sonic perspective so they're gonna introduce a lot of electronically created transients and noise. Much like a bad antenna on a radio.
I have the V1 Timmy and the Pure Sky comes so damn close you would forget the subtle differences after a couple minutes.
What about the noise level?
@@melodica5407 my pure sky isn't noisy at all
guy in the middle thinking: TF I agreed to do this?! ahhah
I originally bought the Pure Sky as a way of adding transparent OD to my sound. However, I quickly realized that it's a brilliant always on pedal, just adding a sparkle to the overall sound. Plus it can add amp-like dirt, plus my boost pedals sound better going through it. It feels wrong to have a $40 pedal as the basis of my sound, but it is. Crazy!
Versatile indeed. Makes everything else sound much more gooder.
Good for Caline. I think $200 for a pedal SUCKS BIGTIME !
First Set - Did you just go from neck to bridge on pedal #3? Completely changing riffs and tone pallet? Tell me my bad. Plz
Is it just me or did they have to dial Timmy up so it would sound as good as the Pure Sky?
Just ordered a 10 yr anniversary
purple Pure Sky..
We tried to dial them all in so they would sound similar to each other
The knobs just work differently on the Timmy.
well since the mxr and vemuran didn't demonstrate any more capability or sonic quality/character the choice is simple Pure Sky for the savings. sure being a budget pedal pure sky may not have their quality control dialed in but hey return it and get a new one if possible or if it breaks just get another one.
pure sky is the best overdrive (imo) ever. Ive tried to replace it with many "boutique" OD's, but honestly nothing comes close. My main amps, depending on the gig, are a 1962 Gibson Falcon, 1970 Deluxe Reverb, or a 1973 Vibrolux Reverb, and the pure sky can be easily set to give each a transparent boost or mild OD. My V1 Xotic RC booster going into it is the absolute tits.
what do you think about the later Xotic RC boosters compared to your V1?
I had one of those Ibanez 335-style guitars in the early-80s. It was great!
My gf's nephew got the Ragnarok delay/reverb by Caline, for Christmas 2020 from Amazon. Out of the box, it did not work. The local music store sussed out the problem. I don't remember what they said the problem was. It may have been as little a problem as the power cord was faulty. I asked the kid how he likes it. He says that he does.
I'm good with my Timmy, but the other two sound fine as well! Note that on the Timmy the bass and treble controls are not what you typically expect and need to be dialed in as such. First, they are cut only, with no boost. Then, the bass cut is before the overdrive, which is very helpful to avoid muddying things up, and the treble cut is after the overdrive.
I heard someone say the Pure Sky is the same way in that the bass is before the overdrive and the treble is after. But maybe they were mistaken and were getting the Timmy and the Pure Sky confused.
...and for less than a Rockstar's or Monster's worth of parts you can mod the Pure Sky to sound even closer to the Jan Ray.
Very Happy w/ the Pure Sky .
The pure sky makes every fuzz and overdrive i own seriously better. 35£ got it on a whim and it's an always on for me
Do you put it before or after your other fuzz/overdrives?
@@elemkay5104 After
Noticed the same thing.
I've had a caline pedal. It mostly was noisy. I replaced it (compressor) with a xotic that was muck quieter. So how noisy are each of those
Great job guys, the Caline is doing very well man.
Thank you David!!
Pure Sky and Vemuram sounds exactly the same minute 10:57 WOW!
Not even close for me the cheap as chips Caline sounded the best ..I'm trying to decide between the Pure Sky and their Big Orange now.
I chuckled at the comment on turning off the reverb for the purists. If you had a subtle reverb or delay turned on, you'd think you were playing through ten envelope filters and a Metalzone with all knobs on ten, based on how some people complain.
I've gigged with the Pure Sky for two years with no problems. The build quality is fine and not an issue. Save your money and buy it. With MXR you're just paying for the name.
Great shootout! I have the Caline and Timmy and they both rock!
Thanks J Steen...they sure do
Did the caline just sounded better?
Nothing is sexier than a bunch of guys in a three-way! LOL. Thanks for doing the Pure Jan Ray Timmy gang bang!
Sounds like you all found what I discovered is the big differences between the Timmy and the Pure Sky - the mid-range content. My Tim is much flatter than my Pure Sky, when knobs are set equivalent. Probably due to the chip, but it could partially be due to variations in the component values. The chip in the Timmy's a LF353 according to the MXR website. But I bet it's a 4558 in the Pure Sky, the TS chip kinda known for dropping the highs thus creating a more mid-range output. But one can easily counter the extra mids in the Pure Sky by adjusting the bass and treble.
The Pure Sky has equivalent of the "most headroom and symmetrical" clipping setting of the Timmy, which I think is the middle position on the mini Timmy. It'll be the one that sounds the loudest and least compressed.
Like a tubescreamer (and these circuits aren't that different), they do sound better pushing another pedal (like your Box of Rock). That's when you get that cool cock-wah sound. Pedal idea: Box of Cock that dials in the cocked-wah sound on it's own. Probably been done...
Ali Express sells most of these Chinese pedals dirt cheap, but the prices on Amazon are catching up in lowness. Pure Sky today on Ali Express... $22 US.
Cheers, fellas. Stay healthy!
EHX Cock Fight? Is that what that one does? Probably. I've no idea just putting it out there.
Haha...you make it sound so sexy!!
I think like Matt said the EHX Cock Fight does that kinda stuff, and MXR make the Q Zone...I don't think they have any overdrive or distortion in it though - just the cocked wah kinda thing.
Thank you Andrew
You can notice a very minor difference when you A/B the Pure Sky with the Vemuram, with the Vemuram being slightly more controlled. Neither one is better per se. The secret is not to A/B them and save a few hundred $$.
Yeah…unless you have them both sitting next to each other you won’t really notice a difference
I just got Pure Sky. Also considered TC MojoMojo. I just wanted a light, transparent overdrive to get clean with a little dirt. The quality is not the best one - i need to push in/out jacks with significant power, the pots rotates with different smoothness. The sound is a kind of transparent, but the treble tends to get harsh. Clipping is rather like in my Rat clone (Magus pro), not TS or SD-1. I need to give it a try on proper tube Amp. Btw. Now I can see how Rat is a great pedal (my TC clone to be honest). I could have 3 Rats for 3 different purposes...or even 4 (light overdrive, overdrive, distortion, fuzz). It can do everything, especially stacked with TS
Caline pure sky rules!
Thanks fellas, you did a great job.
More power guys!
Thank you!
the Pure Sky wins...it*s wonderfully clean/clear in the midrange!
The best shootout I have watched. Unbiased and honest and entertaining. As a gearhead, shootouts are the most valuable videos. A suggestion is the Hudson Broadcast to a Strymon Riverside.
Thank you very much David!
I’ve heard a LOT of good things about the Hudson Broadcast but I’ve never had the chance to try one...I’ll see if I can make it happen!!
Both wildly different beasts from each other and this vid.
You know that mxr timmy has cuting knobs instead of "normal" ones from the others...
Sadly that makes the whole comparison useless
Pure sky is my always-on pedal
Me too!
Wooaa great video! Thank you soooo much! I'm the guy who suggested this comparisson. And as you realized was very very interesting. 5081 views it;s not bad at all, and let me tell you this number will raise when people realized how close in sound are but how distant in price.
Haha...thanks for the idea Alberto!!
Gabor's offset guitars always sound phat as. What pups do you favour, and would you like a blow on your Fano?
:X
Haha...yeah...I’d love a blow on my Fano!!
I really like the PUs in that Fano...which are what they call “proprietary designed and spec’d P90s” ...they have a lot of output and sound really good! I usually like JM style PUs...and more the lower output 50s style ones...but I also really like the humbuckers in my Ibanez AS100...I think Ibanez called them Super58...I think I usually go for slightly darker PUs with a lot of string definition...it’s an interesting question...maybe I need to go through a bunch of my guitars and see what I like and don’t like about the PUs!!
Thank you Matt!!
Gabor
@@TSFAHTPS You're welcome, mate. I've been using HH guitars lately but your tone has me thinking I should return to my SSS strat and P90-equipped SG (Duncan P-90 "Buckers", splittable). I do need to drop a new set of PU in a another Strat and my Tele Deluxe, so you've given me something to think about. Not happy with either of those - perhaps an offset with PU inspired by your preferences could be an option.
We'll take a look at that Fano after you buy me a drink :X
Cheers. Have a great day.
Caline has made the Highway Man, Pure Sky and the Schwartzenator - all with the CP-25 circuit board. These pedals are virtually identical with the exception of the pot tapers, particularly the tone controls. Sonically the only difference between them is the psychological difference in how you set the comntrols. In other words - they are all the same, you just have to adjust them with your ears. Same with the Dolamo overdrive pedal. Same circuit, smaller box. They are all Timmy clones so any of these pedals will get you there if you take the time to find the settings that YOU like. Caline has made the Highwayman, Pure Sky and the Schwartzenator - all with the CP-25 circuit board. These pedals are virtually identical with the exception of the pot tapers, particularly the tone controls. Sonically the only difference between them is the psychological difference in how you set the comntrols. In other words - they are all the same, you just have to adjust them with your ears. Same with the Dolamo overdrive pedal. Same circuit, smaller box. They are all Timmy clones so any of these pedals will get you there if you take the time to find the settings that YOU like.
I always heard that the Dolamo overdrive, which has a Caline built PCB inside, was a clone of the BB Preamp. That would make it the equivalent of Caline's Orange Burst or the Big Orange.
@@onlyusernameleft2 - I did not hear my info, I opened it up and charted the pedal out. The Dolamo D-8 did not use the Caline CP-25 board like I suspected, but it is part for part identical to the CP-25. I recently got a CP-12 and found they juiced the output compared to the CP-25 by changing a resistor in the 2nd gain stage. I do not understand why they would do this. It makes the output volume pot much too sensitive, with unity gain around 9:00. I like to be able to get the level pot up in the 11:00 range before it starts acting like a boost pedal. Caline also recently boosted the output of the CP-46 "Fuzzy Bear". I only caught this as I was modifying one of the ones I just bought. Apparently people complained that they had to turn the volume control all the way up. Wellm guess what? That's how a Fuzz Face works. I'm glad I caught it though because I don't think it would have worked well with my mods.
An update to my comment about the increased gain in the Caline Pure Sky - I find I kind of like what the extra boost does in this pedal. It allows a slight bit more overdrive from the 2nd op-amp stage as the gain is turned up. The character of the resulting overdrive is nicer than I expected. The linear taper volume pot is too sensitive in the unity gain range. A log taper pot helps smooth this out.
Bought the Pure Sky as a “placeholder” until I could afford a Timmy. I have yet to replace it. Works great after an EQD Plumes
Same plus a joyo American
Same here!
well as you know this circuit is quite simple and standard, so no surprise here to hear close tones. Main difference is at tone knobs down, meaning the hi mids are more present (fix) in the jan ray. bought a pure sky B stock from amazon for 28 euros. it sounds better with humbuckers in my opinion. great value for the price, but I cannot in the end see why there is so much hype around all these 3 boxes anyway. Paying more than 300 euros for a tube screamer like circuit (check it out it's true!, apart from 2 more diodes in the soft clipping stage) is quite ... strange.
I got the Orange burst and its impressive. Frankly I thought it sounded better than much more expensive USA pedal it's based on. To me, It has more clarity and is not muddy.
I just ordered the pure sky. Didn't hesitate..
Looking fwd to trying it out..
i had both the puresky and orange burst. let the orange burst go only cos it was noisy, probably not a difficult fix. Hooked up my puresky today after watching this video. Orange burst was more similar to the TS
MXR showing why they are. Quality.
Wow, very good comparison. Caline and Vemuram is very close except price. Timmy is a bit different. But yeah, I like Jan Ray and ordered Pure Sky.
Depends on what your using them with.. The vemuram sounds best at low to medium gain, it’s not for high gain stuff, more for blue/rock, but not hard rock metal stuff...
4 into the video and the Timmy already won to my ears
For me Vemuram, Pure sky and Timmy in that order, You guys will really hate me for this, but if you add Mosky Amp Turbo and Danelectro Transparent Drive V1 (discontinued for V2) to this comparisson you will make history. Not kidding. This last 2 are as cheap as the Pure Sky and let me tell you that this cheap pedals are revolutionazing the world.
Haha...let’s see if I can get a hold of them and we can revolutionise the world
V2 was more a Timmy than V2. It has the dip switches to turn and off 2 diodes, 1 mosfet and 1 signal booster
@@felipeuchida3378 hello. You are talking about the Danelectro?
How do you know the mosky is based on the Timmy?
@@boimesa8190 the manufscturer don't mention but it's a clone of Amp 11 love pedal and this at the same time is a booster+Timny
The MXR seems to have more head room, but I would have liked a little volume boost on the Caline. Not sure why anyone would buy the Vemuram.
The Caline Pure Sky sounds better than the MXR Timmy. I own both.
I have a Pure Sky, love it. I like it better than the Timmy, the Jan Ray might be a little bit better, but who cares. Pure Sky all day long
The Jan ray is way overpriced and not that good tbh
I have all 3 of these and with a good amp the jan ray sounds miles above these other 2
And the jan ray shines at low gain settings more of a blues thing than a rock/ riffy thing
I’ve got a demonfx copy of a Jan ray and I like it better than my pure sky definitely.
Timmy has bass and treble cut knobs. Pure Sky has neutral at 12 o'clock...I think the other one as well. So if you wanted comparable results.... Have to use the knobs differently. The knobs are totally different. Much more so than the units are.
Nossa, que comparação legal!! Parabens!
I had a Caline pure sky. Bought it. Cheap. Played it , loved it. Three weeks later it started to become heratic and very unreliable ... cracks, volume drops...
Thats a shame, sorry to hear that. Was that recently or a while ago? I believe their quality control is much more strict now then what it used to be and the quality of the parts seems really quite good on the one I have
@@TSFAHTPS
I bought it about 1.5 years ago, and loved it while it worked. Hopefully it's more stabke by now. Thx for the show, you're doing great job !
@@fredhystair5789 imo every product, cheap or expensive, can have that exactly kind of problems. sometimes its just bad lucky and you shouldve returned it and exchange for the same pedal.
I brought the Pure Sky
It's a great pedal.
Awesome! Been waiting for this one.
The Caline Dion is very impressive :p
If you ever get a chance, try out the DOD Looking Glass. It's in the same camp as these kinds of drives, more or less.
Been wanting to get one for ages...for the DOD collection
@@TSFAHTPS Ah yes. I have one myself. Everyone should have some DOD in their Fano (sorry but I'm not gonna let that one go - it's too funny) :)
The Timmy costs more than 10 times as much as the Pure Sky. The Pure Sky is the clearest Timmy of the three pedals! For me the Pure Sky is unbeatable. Vemuram is simply a joke.
But, but...it’s really expensive so it must be good! 😂🤣
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr Id rather take the bus and look at the scenes than a taxi and look at the meter..., my most expensive amp is the Peavey Bandit Transtube 112 for 380€s, a lot louder than a Vem Jray pedal...
@@kimmolingonheimo that’s a fantastic analogy. I struggle so much with this point. I often worry about trying to impress people I don’t even like or I don’t even know. I’ve gigged with a Boss Katana and Squier Bullet and Joyo and Caline pedals and sounded just like I do when I use the expensive gear. And you’re so right. I look at the meter often and I worry “it’s too expensive” when I can just use my affordable pedals, amp and guitar and just enjoy playing music.
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr price is something different than being able to use in a live setting and getting the job done. An expensive product might produced in a distant location, using quality materials and be engineered for years. Apart from the production cost characteristics, in a live setting sound details are often neglected. It’s hard to tell if someone is using TS mini or a handwired one. Lastly it’s that has to do with settings, any piece of gear has some good and some weak spots, used a guitar once which was great up to 10-12th fret but higher parts were awful and serious repairs required. Dunno but I think that’s judging something expensive just by comparing with something cheaper is as dumb as looking for expensive gear without being aware of why spending the extra cash
You should've grabbed my Decabelics Golden Horse for this video too. Pretty impressed by the Caline. I run my big muff and blues driver into my Decabelics and like your guest was saying, makes the fuzz and blues driver sound awesome.
Never heard of it...I gotta check it out!! Thanks David
@@TSFAHTPS I sent you guys a PM on Facebook a couple months ago about it. It's a Klon replica.
Hmm, I have 2 old Timmy's and a Tym. Also a Jan Ray. The Timmy's and the Tym have a beautiful clean range and sounds very different to this MXR. The Jan Ray has a "Saturation" trimmer which makes it less boomy and still has a very full sound. Unfortunately the Caline is ok flat out with treble at or below 12, but otherwise sounds fizzy and the clean on it is weedy. Overall it sounds as a "general" overdrive.
I have owned the Pure Sky for 2 years now >>> It emulates the most compressed setting on the Timmy from what I read.
The first time I played through the Caline, the cleans felt 'velvet-y', balanced and so smooth.
I didn't like the overdrive and never will.. it's NOT touch sensitive, is muddy and lacks note separation when driven.
Because of all this, I like the OCD more as it reacts to your playing dynamics much more and cleans up great just with your touch.
However, the Pure Sky is great for EQ'ing and is very transparent..
It also functions really well to reduce the volume for late night playing (Master volume of sorts)..
I love playing through it because it has that subtle compression which feels like playing on velvet.. and the string to string balance is so sweet...
Thanks to this Motley bunch, I will save $900. Good job gentlemen.
Danelectro Cool Cat Transparent Overdrive V1 CTO-1 for me 😉😜!
Oh...gotta try that one!
I'm not a good guitarist, but I don't think it's better than the Vemuran or the Mxr ... but it's not ridiculous next to it, when you know its price ... realizes that it has a great quality / price ratio.
I like the way you guys have a little mid range and low end on your dry sound so many reviewers just put this trebly nothing tone. The sounds are so close it really doesn’t matter, depends on what song you’re playing. people listen to the song first and then critique the guitar sounds maybe never.
Thanks Jeffrey...yeah we both like mids...especially low mids!! And I totally agree...they are so close...almost impossible to hear much of a difference in a song
I purchased the Pure Sky, and one, I think it is Caline's best looking pedal. I think their graphics and names, their overall branding is horrible. Like atrocious. But the Pure Sky is a really nice blue, like it makes me feel good just looking at it. And the knobs vibe with the blue, like they're puffy white clouds drifting across the pure blue sky. The font work is not good (at all) but it gets out of the way the most of the Caline pedals. Caline it seems revamped their graphic design on their latest pedals, added like 40 to 100% to the price, and I swear none of the pedals sound all that good, and the new graphics are worse than the old graphics. They're more hype, but they're also more bad, so really hyped bad graphics. I really feel like I could do the graphics/branding for Caline, and move them into the legitimate class of pedal manufacturers rather than "cheap Chinese knock offs that will break in a month if you use them" category. I'm speaking about the consumer's perception of the brand, obviously, because...
Two, the Pure Sky sounds good. I got it a couple months back, and I initially wasn't that into it, I was actually really disappointed. I'll say this, I believe they use low quality electronic components within their circuits, as it seems like there is a LOT of variance/tolerance in the components, as my Pure Sky is the gainiest Pure Sky I've ever heard. I've watched countless demos of it, and it is a low gain overdrive that can go and get pretty mid gainy. But my Pure Sky starts at harder low gain, and goes right into midgain, and then beyond... Unfortunately, I was looking for a "transparent" low gain overdrive. I have an amp with a good clean channel, but a crap crunch channel, and a crap lead channel. They're both geared for heavy metal, and are just a hornet's nest of buzzing white noise. SO, I have to go to pedals for break up, and so I was looking for a low gain overdrive (I have a Centaur clone, the Soul Food, and a tube screamer clone, the East River Drive, both of which are dope but are pretty medium gainy pedals). So, I'd listened to demos of the Pure Sky, and it did really nice low gain, on the clean side of the edge of break up sound. But mine doesn't do that. My gain knob starts on the broken up edge of breakup, and goes up in gain from there. So, I didn't get what I wanted, but after my initial disappointment, I've started using the Pure Sky, or rather MY Pure Sky for what it is, and what it sounds good doing. In that respect, the Pure Sky is a totally legit pedal. I think it totally hangs with the Jan Ray, as demonstrated by this video. I'm not listening in the studio, but have a pretty good pair of ear buds on, and I did not prefer the Jan Ray over the Pure Sky, in fact, I'm pretty sure I like the Pure Sky better.
So, forget the "Budget Overdrive" nonsense, at least in terms of sound. It sounds good. As good as the best overdrives in the world... remembering that above a certain threshold, all pedals are just differentiated by taste, taste being in the tongue of the beholder, to mix metaphors. And this Caline Pure Sky is well above that threshold.
Maybe you can't get a "Bad" sound out of the Jan Ray, like whatever the knobs are set to, you'll get a good sound, and MAYBE that is not the case with the Pure Sky.. BUT that doesn't make the Jan Ray the better pedal. In my experience, there is a huge diversity in guitar rigs. There are bright pickups, dark pickups, midrangey pickups, crisp clean pots, muddy pots, plinky fret boards, thick fret boards, different cables with different capacitance... and that is before any of the really, really varied active electronics get involved, like buffers, pedals, the preamp stage of the amp, the power section, the wattage, the speakers in the cab, the number of speakers, the proportions of the cab itself... there is just a HUGE range of tones in people's rigs, and I find that pedals that have an extreme range in their knobs, like perhaps a treble knob gets way too trebley... maybe that is for you, but players with thick sounding frretboards, dark pickups, muddy pots, heavy pedals, a deep amp combo... that extra treble may be just perfect to get some brightness in that player's rig. It might be too bright on yours, but it is just right on his.
But if we put the Jan Ray in the same situation, and the knobs don't go to extremes, that guy with the overall dark rig, may find the Jan Ray unusable, it's just not bright enough for his rig... get me? I'd rather have a pedal with knobs with more range than I need, than a pedal with knobs with less range than I need. Just my $10,000 opinion.
And another reasonable insight:
It is strangely ironic actually, but it seems like these anonymous, faceless, massive Chinese pedal manufacturers are actually like mom and pop, kind of boutique pedal companies. Like they don't know what they are doing, they're just downloading circuits off the web, slapping stuff together, not really understanding the circuits, they've got someone they know, maybe a cousin that is "good at drawing" doing their design work, a guy or gal who has no business designing pedals for the US market, at least. A real rag tag, yankee capitalist kind of operation. Stealing circuits, selling for cutrate/cutthroat prices... Anybody getting what I'm putting down?
Anyway, buy a Pure Sky, you'll find a use for it. It even stacks, don't trip. Look, a $40 pedal is a reasonable price for the cost of the parts, manufacturing, and distribution. I just read someone saying that the cheapest "real" pedal should be $200... that's crazy talk. Do you want to take a look in just about any consumer electronic product that has way more components in the circuit, the circuit is a hundred times more complex, the circuit actually does quite a bit, and it is $5.00... $40 is a reasonable price. I left the guitar world, for a couple decades... plus. I was just over it. But I've been back for 4 years, and in that gap, it seems like the guitar world just accepted ridiculously high prices. I remember brand new Gibson Les Pauls costing $800 and people thinking that was way too much money... A $50 Boss pedal was way too expensive. Now, if you get a pedal for $250 with $10 in components, $10 in labor, and that is a screaming good deal. People are spending on PICS what cheap guitars used to cost. I don't know man, people have flipped their lid. And I feel like these music gear companies have just turned up at the creamery, ready to milk the guitar playing cows, and the cows are just fine with it. Like a $100, 10 foot guitar/instrument cable is normal now. Are all y'all crazy. Stop spending stupid money on gear that is DIRT cheap to make and market. If you stop paying the ridiculous prices, the companies will stop charging the ridiculous prices, and will start charging only a reasonable margin over cost. Wow, I'm ranting.
Peace out.
What sometimes happens with cheap mass produced pedals is when they run out of a certain component/spec, they will substitute it with what they have on hand that will work for the circuit but of course vary the sound to some degree. Or use 20% tolerance components which can have a similar effect.
Interesting how he never really touched the vol knob on the pure sky.
🤔
I bought the Caline Pure Sky for for $23.00 USD with free shipping 😇
Thats so cheap...buy three incase the others break!
@@TSFAHTPS Too late the sale is over. They are now $25.50, LOL
@@Paul_Lenard_Ewing I’m out 😜
Clear winner: Caline!
My Pure Sky sounded great ..... until it died 1 year after I bought it. Poor quality materials, great sound.
I can buy 4 Calines for less than 1 Vemuram. I think Vemuram is overpriced, period, I'll never buy one.
Call me crazy but the vemuram sounds to me like if it was the cheapest one out of the 3 Drives.
Also, I think I paid $29 for the pure sky absolutely cheapest pedal I have.
And it’s great!
The whole world DID watch...
Blind shoutouts need STAKES: he PICKS which one to TAKE HOME, whether his expensive pedal or NOT, if he picks HIS, he gets a $50 bonus!
Haha…yeah
JanRay is the best OD.
Something new showed up by Demonfx, Demonfx ANGEL BLUE DRIVE Timmy V2 clone.
Gotta check it out…thank you!!
I like that better than my pure sky, didn’t know it was supposed to be a Timmy.
the most expensive od sounds the worst
How ironic that the vemuram sounded the cheapest.
Pure sky forever 🎊😅
Timmy all the way for me...
i already stop buying more overdrives. i got TC electronics mojomojo will do. actually i found joy connect the guitar directly to the amp and adjusting the knobs to get desired sound.
I guess you are a just blues guy?
Pure sky!
I hate that I started with The Duelist and Protein......then King Tone Blues Power....Then a video comparing the Blues Power to the Jan Ray....then throw the Timmy in the mix and compare to the Jan Ray....and now the Caline Pure Sky. Come full circle and these are just overdrives that don't touch the Blues Power or have the dynamic of The Duelist. Frustrating.
ruclips.net/video/_1a2sQpUbMY/видео.html The difference between the Caline and the MXR is a lot less in this comparison. I would say they are interchangeable, I definitely wouldn’t be able to say which was which in a blind test
for sure when you open up that jan ray its gonna have caline electronics lol
PURE SKY BEST SOUND N PRICE HOME RUN
Vemuram sounds better.
One of the people in the world
Second that!
just bought two Calines for 44€s delivered..
theyre good backups for my two Mosky Deluxe Preamps!! : )