DUCATI 4V Head Porting
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2020
- Episode 2 of False Neutral gives us a go to whoa in-site into porting a cylinder head. Thanks to Toine from Biggelaar Performance for his ongoing support and knowledge sharing.
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The question Andy had about the head being on a hotplate I will explain here, I head the heads up to push the valve guides back so they dont stick out in the channel before I start working on it, when done it is the same story but then reversed, heat it up to put them back to there original position
Thank you for the explanation Toine. Excellent instructional vid - for those of us who can read minds...! 😜😎🤣
Those guides look awful tight, the valves should fall right onto the seat without you smacking them😄
@@colbyhutzellfishingvideos4365 not sure what you referring to, I lap the valves is so to be sure they close perfect, the guides are checked on clearance and if necessary corrected either made slightly bigger or being replaced if worn out. These guides are the OEM guides that already did 24.000 km, so again what is your problem.. the guides have not been replaced and beside being pushed back slightly they are untouched..your a special kind of stupid or not internet hero ? Show me your tuning skills if you are so sure of your claims you make .. at least I can back up side of the story with loads of examples, performance increases and reliability security.. so enlighten me and show me your skills..
@@colbyhutzellfishingvideos4365 I thought they were a little tight due to the valve guide seals being in place but no, he fitted seals later. Guides probably had a rolled edge from being moved? Personally I would have checked to make sure there were no burrs on them.and run a reamer through if needed (plus mic valve stems) the aggressive reply is quite 'telling' in my opinion.
@@toinevandenbiggelaar6083 Before you ask, yes, I worked at a Ducati dealers (and Suzuki, Honda, BMW, Yamaha, Triumph Dealers plus just about anything that rolled through the door) I've also done a fair bit of porting over the years and built some reasonably quick road bikes. Also worked on Ian Lougher's IOM TT bike when our shop sponsored him (before he got factory rides)
Top notch work there!! eyes sharp as knives hands quick as lightning and soft caress.! great workshop stuff thanks Andy &Toine.
Boy does he work quick , just fantastic ,Thank you Toine, Andy , what an insight you are giving us .
Wow! He took a lot of material out of those ports. Thanks for the video!
Good one Toine. I really enjoyed watching you open up those runners. I was surprised at how much material came out. Thanks Andy.
I bloody loved this! Thanks to the pair of you guys.
Why am I watching this at 1am? I don't even own a bike.
@Spivze Spivatron how did you know?
LOL! same here
It’s been 3 years, I gotta know. Did you buy a bike yet bro?
Excellent workmanship he makes it look so easy ,which its not.Thanks Andy
Thanks 👍
I have watched many videos on RUclips trying to understand head porting and always struggled to understand where the improvements are made thanks to this excellent video and narrator talking through the process I am much wiser than I was 35 mins ago. Thank you very much.
this is a street port, the shape of the inlet and and exhaust stay relatively the same, , a little extra volume and smoothing of the tracts whilst maintaining the overall shape of the stock head, its important to keep the venturi effect of the tract , less is often more, a race port is far more severe , with much more widening of the tract and a more volumetric approach to maximise air volume and therefore top end on the engine.
This is a really nice tame porting job for street use, keeping the intake air nice and fast without modifying the stock venturi shape of the head, you can really go to town with a port job and completely change the nature of a motor, even so far as welding or epoxying sections to build up sections to smooth the airflow or increase the venturi effect on the air for low down , low rev grunt.
its a real art and a lot of fun to get into :)
@@deadprivacy, exacto, + velocidad del flujo admisión, con capa límite turbulenta y aunque disminuya un poco la sección transversal, se gana en velocidad (como ver correr el agua en un arroyo), densidad y partículas de combustible en suspención oír lo que se "atomiza" y mejor homogeinizacion de la mezcla, no adhiriendose en exceso a las "paredes" del conducto (Port). Zonas de velocidad y zonas de amplitud previas al casquillo de válvula para reducir velocidad y transformar en aumento de la presión.. Saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina !
so pleasant to watch a pro do his stuff....Its mesmerizing to watch; reminds me of my grandpa working on his tractor; I'd watch for hours and be totally happy. I think this is why I have always loved to work on my own stuff.
Congrts .. Te felicito por tus recuerdos y vivencias en tu infancia con tu abuelo, cultura de familia y disfrutar de personas de vocación. Lo mismo yo con mi padre en su taller mecánico, y especialmente cuando empecé a ayudarlo en sus trabajos (amé los motores) a los 15 años allá por 1983... Saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina !
Enjoyed the video. Preciate you giving us your time.
A master at work here, thoroughly enjoyed watching this
Now THAT was cool... Obviously very skilled and well practiced in his art. I really like the way he is always checking, then rechecking stuff, and if he changes anything to do with it he checks it again... Cool video dude, thank you 👍
Thank you sir, I loved your don't get Del luded video, that was just EPIC parody stuff ...😆😆😆😆
I love seeing true 'craftsmen' at work. Superbe.
Glad you enjoy it!
Great video, learnt to do this on 2-strokes, and did a bit on 4-strokes.... Toine has skills and patience!
Very good job Toine!
Congratulations!!
Fascinating, great to watch. Thank you. 👍🏻
Lovely workmanship, a delight to watch and heh heh love the Delsplaning 😁 !
Love the speed he works at!
lol, i thought you edited the bits out where he blinks - he watches his work like a hawk! thanks for the share both of you. cheers!
Nice vid and good to see some of your Vistas down under
Great video, excellent craftmanship and Toine is also going to port my 999 heads for my caferacer
Great video Andy. Nice insight into porting for people to get up close for a look. Cheers
Glad you enjoyed it
What a master at work! Very impressive! Thank you both so much for the sharing of knowledge!
Excellent Video Guys!
I booked service with Biggelaar this July, bringing the bike from a different country to overhaul my 996 engine.
Any update on your bike?
Loved that therapeutic to watch! Cant wait for him to do mine 🤗
Yours will be super interesting because they’re 2V. I’m keen to watch how much he opens the ports up.
This is some interesting shit, keep em coming guys. Laughed my arse off at the end XD
That is a FULL ON job!!
He isnt just smoothing it.
15% is huge!
Υ ς
Love the opening music!
Fantastic video, clearly a man that knows what it’s all about, nice touch at the end, did he feel epic 😁
Yes I felt epic after showing the dellbollocks reference
Awesome
Nice porting approach and explanations to methods and why
Fantastic vid, thanks. New to desmo valve engines, but I am learning!
Brilliant! Thank you!
Love this! You can “see” the experience in the way he works, great craftsmanship 👍
great video ! thanks for showing us the right way
Great Bro loved it
Amazing video! Thanks!
Enjoyed that great vid
A master at work/Bravo.
Nice video and great craftsmanship! It somehow reminds me to my dentist 😜
If he ever comes to OZ for a working holiday, tell him to bring his tool bag. I've got 4 heads for him to do. I followed him on the valve shimming only difference was, that took me 2 days to do aaah a master at work. Enjoyed the video.
Great video!
What a nice job dude
Great video mate
Thanks Andy, this is a privilege to see such an amazing Engine artist at work. Cheers Rich.
My pleasure
Engine artists? That's a cookie cutter. Real engine artists use hand for valve lapping.
very interesting---thank you
Brilliant , thanks 😊
Awesome. That’ll do.
So much work for a head 👌🇮🇹 .
I also drive a Ducati 1198s a great engine 😍 .
Biggellaar are the best 👍
Quality mate.
This bloke knows his job , well done.
Very good
Grand job
Well he made that look easy!
Still searching every week for some more updates! Would like to see Toine taking us this winter at a journey from "original engine" till modified engine specially with the engine tolerances and Dyno analyzing.
Thanks for explaining de hole process 🤫☘☘☘
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This guy is amazing, I need to take some notes! Great video Andy!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice bike you got there andy
Excelente trabajo saludos desde Argentina
This is a.good vid. Cheers cobba
Very nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
First time I messed with a cylinder head I was 17 and closely supervised by my Dad who knew a fair bit about engines.
I opened up and removed the corners and casting residue from the inlet port, and left it relatively rough as Toine did here.
Not sure if it was the fuel quality back then, or the previous rider doing lots of short journeys with the choke on, but lots of dense old carbon had accumulated in both the combustion chamber and exhaust port.
So after opening up the outlet port, I did indeed polish the holybuggery out of it, as well as the combustion chamber.
Then I skimmed the head using emery paper (nicked from work) and a few thick sheets of float glass. Took a while, but I had it back together again by Sunday lunch time.
Yes of course it ran better. Removing the end baffle from the silencer, and fitting C70 or C90 jets all added up to making my 1972 Honda C50 Cub a Yamaha FS1E beater!
This is where it all began.
TOP video.
Nice video broo.. THANKS...
Awesome work 👍👍👍👍👍👍😎
Thanks Adam, I'm loving your ST2 project mate
@@ANDY5 Thanks Andy, its feeling like labour of love, never seen so much rot on a Ducati!
Something when you want to study like you are, do greetings from Indonesia 😎😎
A magician.
Hey Andy there ain't nothing like a no nonsense Dutchman doing his thing .....
Godverdomme, he's Dutch?
Great and informative video guys! Do you recall which particular brand/size of Carbide bur is being used or where it and the flap sanding stick could be purchased? thank you
Nice!
Great stuff, now .... where is my Dremel and black & decker 👍😱😎🤗
Hello..Im french..its good job!! i like
Super bike👍
Looks easy when Toine does it 🤣
This is how I want my mechanic to service my bike, As fast as he can and throw caution to the wind. If there's going to be catastrophic failure in the engine due to negligence I want to find out about it somewhere out the on the road...
have you ever wondered how its possible that a painter made it looks so easy to paint doors etc and when you try it it takes ages and its almost impossible to get the same finish as he does, or any other skilled professional that does make his work looks so easy while a not so trained person takes ages to do the same job and mostly with less results ? well there you go after hunderds of heads and engines its becomes a routine and you dont really have to think about the next step, its so very rare that a engine fails after I have tuned or rebuild it and even then most of the time its due to a failure of a part and not the work done .. Just saying, this particular example in the video the customer already did put a 8000Km on the bike with no problems beside the fact he had to adjust to the increase in power ..
Hey guys great informative video I m looking to buy a good set of carbide bits but there’s a lot of cheap ones on the internet what is a good brand to buy or where can I get a nice set...keep up the good work
Super Vera level sir👍
what do you call the bit to attach those sand papers? thanks great vid!
Reminds me of listening to cricket in my old mans garage.
Great to see an artist at work! Me, I'm just a piss artist, but were both good at our jobs! Good stuff.........
Remember to keep throatnon valvevseat about 88-90% the diameter of the valve on the intake. It'll help low lift flow
ANDY!!! PLEASE PORT A 2V HEAD WITH FLOW BENCH BEFORE DURING AND AFTER!!!
YOU WILL BE MY HERO!
Wouldn't it make more sense to lap the valves after doing the grinding?
Great video thanks for posting! Just curious, when he ports heads just by eye and experience, do you have any idea what the performance difference would be between two identical heads both ported by him?
A master at work...
Motor kencang aja di porting juga mmg mantab dahhh
nice
Awesome, he is almost like a blue ass fly that knows his shit. Great video Man.
Hogging out the ports like in the video is going to increase flow but it's going to decrease port velocity, i cringed when i watched him enlarge the valve seat throat area, that head's going to make less power than stock now, all the high hp engines I've seen had epoxy filled intake ports to increase velocity.
This is probably fuel injected but on a carb bike, would a job like this mean having to reject the carb for the extra room, or would it stay the same and just habe better response because of gas and and exhaust inns amd outs, would that just be smoother transition but not needing more gas, thanks for your time
I think You can polish exaust ports combustion chamber and the top of the piston ?
I had thought that you don't polish your intake ports on carbs, and you could polish them on EFI because of better atomization. Good lesson learned from a true professional. Was hoping to see Toine polish the exhaust port, guess it was not requested by the customer. Does, or did Toine have any videos to share of him polishing exhaust ports?
Andy, the sections of road you showed in this video had me wanting to pack up the bikes and move to Tasmania.
Exhaust polishing is a bit useless as this only reduces carbon deposits there but it still happens, as for polishing or very little abrasive surface, anything that just has air passing traffic it can be polished,, if its a mix of air and say fuel particles the best surface is like the finest sandpaper type, so it starts acting like the skin of a shark, this is the best and most effective flow you can achieve. For me the best way to explain this is the reference to the shark as my English is lacking the knowledge to tell it in a way it makes sense 😁😁😆 the shark reference is something anybody could goolge
@@toinevandenbiggelaar6083 Thanks Toine
What’s your flow numbers on this? He had after you done all the work to it?
Maybe I missed it due the fact that I am watching this in bed on low volume while the wife’s asleep, but what where the results? Any change in power delivery, top end?
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How much power was lost with that head ?
I watched a bloke work on ducati engines he sold them new in the early eighties , walsch motorcycles at chigwell
What parts need to be changed to make such powerful motors
I have an old car. I want to strengthen it.
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how is the valve diameter proportional to the intake hole? I hope you can reply to comments. Tks
Good👍👍👍 lake Chanel I'm goes duit tank you very much
What can you say about dimple port?