15:28 no friend. Helo is the Boy Scout - - not Lee. 🙃Helo is the one that never does the wrong thing. He's even so respectful of law and order, that he really held it together when they were going to abort his baby and space his wife. he's my favorite character🧐
I agree. Helo is the one who never does wrong or at least thinks about whether it's the right thing to do. I don't mean Boy Scout as a good thing to be fair (even though that's what it means 😂). Apollo doesn't see nuance and has that fine line between his version of good and bad.
@@RamblersInc Ahh. I see what you mean. absolutely. I still look at him as a very moral character. he did try to do the right thing, even when it was going against orders. and we all know how important it is to go against orders that we know are wrong! 🧐😏😉I think Lee and Dualla definitely are number two in the morals department - - other than Lee cheating, which is really horrible. One could argue that that was artistic license that doesn't fit his character at all. At all. Much love!
He doesn't look like it, but Apollo has the deepest grudge against the cylons of almost all the main cast. And there are three boy scouts in the show at the moment: Apollo, Helo and Anders. Apollo is the least noble of those three.
To me, Helo always sounded like Halo😇. He seems a bit angelic,always making choices based on love,compassion and humanity...he at least deserves a halo!☺️
You guys really must watch Caprica, after you’ve finished BSG. It’s a prequel to Battlestar Galactica set 58 years before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies-It deals mainly with the birth of the Cylons and the state of affairs in the state of the art worlds that were mankind’s homeworlds-You get a sense of the diversity, divisions, and scope of the 12 Worlds. You feel a world alive with billions. Men and women who dreamed, loved, griped, lived-Watch Caprica and you’ll understand the scope of the loss that survivors in the Colonial Fleet feel. And you’ll perhaps lean less into your idealism for Cylon rights, when you see what’s left of that civilization. Having seen what once was-Lessened into a gang on the run, traumatized people, grasping for light in the night.
@ It had its flaws. But Eric Stoltz knocked it out of the park with his acting-And it came together towards the end, it needed more time. Anyway, my point stands. It made the 12 Colonies real. It’s impossible to conceptualize the loss of the genocide without seeing this show
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Cylons... think of them sort of like super-genius children. Sure they are super smart because they are beings with artificial intelligence. But they are new to the whole "emotional" experience and thus they do not respond that well to emotional stimulus. Basically, they have all the emotional stability of a burlap sack full of rats sinking in a river. Gaius has no trouble seducing them because they all want to be loved. They can feel love, but are too emotionally immature to deal with the flood of emotions that comes with it.
I’m not sure Apollo has changed, we just need to make a distinction: he is the “boy scout” who will stand on moral principles when it comes to humans (promising Zarek an election back in Bastille Day, siding with Roslin when his father had her arrested, risking his life to kill the villain in Black Market), but he does not see the Cylons as “people” worthy of moral consideration. If you go back to Home, Lee was very hostile to Sharon when she first rejoined the fleet, threatening to kill her and even expressing suspicion of Helo by association. He was also quite upset when he learned his father had made Sharon an officer and was sending her as the liaison to New Caprica. I think his actions in this episode are a continuation of his character, not a departure.
Apollo is a moral person, But that morality doesn't extend to the Cylon's, Why? Because he doesn't see them as alive & because they are the human"s enemies, ones who have already almost successfully genocided the humans. Also, his morality won't stop him from skirting the edges of what he thinks right or wrong, just that he will not take the final step on those subjects where his morality does apply..
One point not a lot of people seem to see is that by not killing the cylons you put Earth at a tremendous risk if the Cylons find it. I've always thought this was the silliest episode of the series. Helo's decision was not the right one. By saving the cylons he potentially doomed the fleet and anyone who might be on earth.
I think most viewers see this point. And I think most viewers also see that this show is also about moral conflict. The whole "It's not enough to survive, one must be worthy of survival"-thing really is a theme in the show.
@guyvanooteghem8531 I suppose if they had killed them the show would be boring from here on. I just wish they had written in some lines to the script showing us they have to weigh the chance of the cylons finding earth and the consequences. I watched this series about 5-6 times and have come to the belief that most characters are right in their action from their point of view and the information they have. Some viewers like to give the argument that they would ALWAYS do the moral thing.
The "right one" is the very debate this sparks. Helo wasn't thinking strategically if that's what you mean by right...he was thinking morally. And even that opens up a can of worms. It's a good conversation in the very least.
@@RamblersInc I would love to delve deeper on this but that would involve spoilers- can't do that. Keep enjoying the show and i will keep enjoying your reactions.
Its an interesting discussion. Now we don't have a complete military or legal code for the Colonies but the order to wipe out the Cylons in our world could be considered an order to commit genocide. That would be illegal and then Helo would have done nothing wrong. Now the President is arguing that you can't commit genocide against something that isn't human. And really that's been a huge question arc in this show. What is human? Are Cylon lesser simply because humans made them? Who as a race has a right to live, does anyone? For my part, it would have been genocide and an illegal order for even the President to give. Coming from being genocided by the Cylons though, I would imagine a true litigation in what's left of their legal system would find that to not be the case. Adama letting it be sets aside resolution of the question. I'm sure he assumes such an occurrence/opportunity won't happen again to re-open the question.
That is the one question that dismantles either argument. If you asked me when we started the show I would have said "destroy them all"...but now as the audience we've seen just how complex they are.
Personally, I would absolutely wipe out the Cylons 😂 But I still really like Helo. He’s the one, truly righteous person on the show. It’s certainly debatable if he was right, and he’s definitely guilty of defying orders. But he always does what he believes is right, regardless of anything else going on in the whole of the universe. A truly rare quality.
15:45, Nope not ever. I would lie to the enemies of the human race as much as I could to save us. Helo and Sharon are one of my favorite couples. But they are so freaking idealistic.
"Showing him the final season of GOT" - ...and suddenly I felt bad for Gaius! 😁🤣
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15:28 no friend. Helo is the Boy Scout - - not Lee. 🙃Helo is the one that never does the wrong thing. He's even so respectful of law and order, that he really held it together when they were going to abort his baby and space his wife. he's my favorite character🧐
I agree. Helo is the one who never does wrong or at least thinks about whether it's the right thing to do.
I don't mean Boy Scout as a good thing to be fair (even though that's what it means 😂).
Apollo doesn't see nuance and has that fine line between his version of good and bad.
@@RamblersInc Ahh. I see what you mean. absolutely. I still look at him as a very moral character. he did try to do the right thing, even when it was going against orders. and we all know how important it is to go against orders that we know are wrong! 🧐😏😉I think Lee and Dualla definitely are number two in the morals department - - other than Lee cheating, which is really horrible. One could argue that that was artistic license that doesn't fit his character at all. At all. Much love!
I never interpreted any misdirection from Cottle.
Maybe it's just us.
He doesn't look like it, but Apollo has the deepest grudge against the cylons of almost all the main cast.
And there are three boy scouts in the show at the moment: Apollo, Helo and Anders. Apollo is the least noble of those three.
Agreed. I never thought he was the least noble in the past. Something changed.
He's the most realistic of the boy scouts, he's good until he's not. So much like his dad actually.
Helo is Chinese for Hero, the best human in the fleet!
Helo is the Best! So say we all!!!! ☺️
I always took his name to be a reference to Helios, the greek sun god, as the rest of the naming schemes follow that.
To me, Helo always sounded like Halo😇. He seems a bit angelic,always making choices based on love,compassion and humanity...he at least deserves a halo!☺️
Guys it's a bad dad joke with the way Chinese have a hard time saying "R".
"Making him watch the eighth season of GOT". . . savage - LOL
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You guys really must watch Caprica, after you’ve finished BSG. It’s a prequel to Battlestar Galactica set 58 years before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies-It deals mainly with the birth of the Cylons and the state of affairs in the state of the art worlds that were mankind’s homeworlds-You get a sense of the diversity, divisions, and scope of the 12 Worlds. You feel a world alive with billions.
Men and women who dreamed, loved, griped, lived-Watch Caprica and you’ll understand the scope of the loss that survivors in the Colonial Fleet feel.
And you’ll perhaps lean less into your idealism for Cylon rights, when you see what’s left of that civilization. Having seen what once was-Lessened into a gang on the run, traumatized people, grasping for light in the night.
Caprica is so bad. Poorly written with multiple nonsensical story lines randomly colliding together.
@ It had its flaws. But Eric Stoltz knocked it out of the park with his acting-And it came together towards the end, it needed more time.
Anyway, my point stands. It made the 12 Colonies real. It’s impossible to conceptualize the loss of the genocide without seeing this show
Vaccines usually provide immunity for many months, years or decades. In some cases they provide life-long protection.
Booster shots are sometimes needed to counter waning immunity, and are given after several years -sometimes a decade later.
(not “days or hours”)
Multi-injection vaccines are also common requiring two or three to acquire immunity. Usually more required after childhood and 'activating' ingredients are added in vaccines for the elderly because their immune systems can fail to produce the antibodies even then.
Cylons... think of them sort of like super-genius children. Sure they are super smart because they are beings with artificial intelligence. But they are new to the whole "emotional" experience and thus they do not respond that well to emotional stimulus. Basically, they have all the emotional stability of a burlap sack full of rats sinking in a river. Gaius has no trouble seducing them because they all want to be loved. They can feel love, but are too emotionally immature to deal with the flood of emotions that comes with it.
"emotional stability of a burlap sack full of rats sinking in a river" - 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And slowly, one choice at a time, they become more and more like Helena Cain was.
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I’m not sure Apollo has changed, we just need to make a distinction: he is the “boy scout” who will stand on moral principles when it comes to humans (promising Zarek an election back in Bastille Day, siding with Roslin when his father had her arrested, risking his life to kill the villain in Black Market), but he does not see the Cylons as “people” worthy of moral consideration. If you go back to Home, Lee was very hostile to Sharon when she first rejoined the fleet, threatening to kill her and even expressing suspicion of Helo by association. He was also quite upset when he learned his father had made Sharon an officer and was sending her as the liaison to New Caprica. I think his actions in this episode are a continuation of his character, not a departure.
Oh yeh. You're right. I forgot about his initial reaction towards Sharon. Honestly though, I didn't expect his plan to be to wipe them all out.
Apollo is a moral person, But that morality doesn't extend to the Cylon's, Why? Because he doesn't see them as alive & because they are the human"s enemies, ones who have already almost successfully genocided the humans. Also, his morality won't stop him from skirting the edges of what he thinks right or wrong, just that he will not take the final step on those subjects where his morality does apply..
I've realised that now. I never thought the boy scout was like that previously though.
One point not a lot of people seem to see is that by not killing the cylons you put Earth at a tremendous risk if the Cylons find it. I've always thought this was the silliest episode of the series. Helo's decision was not the right one. By saving the cylons he potentially doomed the fleet and anyone who might be on earth.
I think most viewers see this point. And I think most viewers also see that this show is also about moral conflict. The whole "It's not enough to survive, one must be worthy of survival"-thing really is a theme in the show.
@guyvanooteghem8531 I suppose if they had killed them the show would be boring from here on. I just wish they had written in some lines to the script showing us they have to weigh the chance of the cylons finding earth and the consequences. I watched this series about 5-6 times and have come to the belief that most characters are right in their action from their point of view and the information they have. Some viewers like to give the argument that they would ALWAYS do the moral thing.
The "right one" is the very debate this sparks. Helo wasn't thinking strategically if that's what you mean by right...he was thinking morally. And even that opens up a can of worms. It's a good conversation in the very least.
@@RamblersInc I would love to delve deeper on this but that would involve spoilers- can't do that. Keep enjoying the show and i will keep enjoying your reactions.
Not everyone hated the last season of GoT that much though.
Definitely not as much as Gaius hated it. He's overdoing it.
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Its an interesting discussion. Now we don't have a complete military or legal code for the Colonies but the order to wipe out the Cylons in our world could be considered an order to commit genocide. That would be illegal and then Helo would have done nothing wrong. Now the President is arguing that you can't commit genocide against something that isn't human. And really that's been a huge question arc in this show. What is human? Are Cylon lesser simply because humans made them? Who as a race has a right to live, does anyone? For my part, it would have been genocide and an illegal order for even the President to give. Coming from being genocided by the Cylons though, I would imagine a true litigation in what's left of their legal system would find that to not be the case. Adama letting it be sets aside resolution of the question. I'm sure he assumes such an occurrence/opportunity won't happen again to re-open the question.
That is the one question that dismantles either argument. If you asked me when we started the show I would have said "destroy them all"...but now as the audience we've seen just how complex they are.
Personally, I would absolutely wipe out the Cylons 😂 But I still really like Helo. He’s the one, truly righteous person on the show. It’s certainly debatable if he was right, and he’s definitely guilty of defying orders. But he always does what he believes is right, regardless of anything else going on in the whole of the universe. A truly rare quality.
I adore Helo💚Best human of the fleet!!!
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15:45, Nope not ever. I would lie to the enemies of the human race as much as I could to save us. Helo and Sharon are one of my favorite couples. But they are so freaking idealistic.
It goes back to that line in the miniseries "Do humans deserve to survive?!"
It's amazing to see just how loyal she is.
I like helo but sorry for me he should have been at least put behind bars and never be in a position of military action ever after a move like that
I hear it. Even he knew they'd be coming for him.