People only dislike filler cause it disqualifies a lot of the father-son bonding time Goku and Gohan have in the series so they can keep up the piccolo is gohan's dad meme
Episode about Gohan's birthday is just so wholesome, so sad some people skip it because it's filler. Same about episode where Gohan "fought" Mercenary Tao. It was a great episode that shown how normal countryfolk reacted to Cell Games announcement.
Yeah, the Gohan Saiyan Saga filler had some of my favorite episodes as a kid. People have a tendency to view the way that they experienced things, or that things "are supposed to be experienced" as the optimal way and integrate it into their identity.
The filler in DB & Z was some of the best bits of the series for me. It expanded on the story in fun ways, and gave us some fun slice of life bits. Classic DB filler had a few filler episodes build up this bad guy named Coronal Silver, only for Goku to take him down in a few hits. It's pretty funny. Plus without filler, we wouldn't have the Great Saiyaman arc! And worse! We wouldn't have Goku and Piccolo driving cars! Do you really want to live in a world where they didn't drive cars??
Fuck no they weren’t. Bulma was the absolute worst during Namek. Not to mention all the cutaways to fucken Chi Chi during the Frieza fight. It was so fucken annoying
When you mentioned the manga at the end you proved a good point. I have yet to finish the anime but some of the filler I have seen has made me love and enjoy the story a lot more than the manga. Especially Gohan's training arc with Picollo. The manga felt too focused on the action by this point that it felt like an excuse to have cool explosions. Although I do completely agree with the idea some filler sucks or makes the anime go for much longer than necessary. It honestly just made the Z saga so much more interesting.
i always liked the filler of vegeta going to space to find goku... that was one of my favorites EDIT: was waiting for you to mention it gohan's training arc was good "If you're not eating or sleeping, you're training with me."
Very good video as always. Imo filler is a pretty dumb name because it completely misses the point of what an adaptation is supposed to be. If anything I think people should refer to anime orginal content as just that, as it has a much less negative connotation in comparison. I also think people should stop attempting to correlate padding with anime og content, as this can just as much apply to the source material as well. This notion can become particularly ridiculous when the adaptation attempts to deviate drastically from the source and have its own unique ending. Espcially when it comes to shows like FMA 03, whose second half is entirely anime original.
I agree. Plus filler in dbz often beats the manga. Look at Majin Vegeta vs Goku in the manga vs the anime only parts they added,filler. The filler is much better then the mangas choreography. The manga basically skipped over Goku vs Majin Vegeta. Also it's canon weather weaboos accept it or not.
You left out some of the best filler in dragonball. Which is the time travel that Goku does training with strong characters that are dead in the main storyline during the piccolo saga
The Garlic Junior arc is pretty much what most people have wanted from the series for a long time. Arcs where the other characters are given the same spotlight, responsibility and competence that Goku and Vegeta are always given. Its actually what made Z more interesting in the Namek arc (against the Ginyu Force), the early Android arc and early Buu arc, because Goku and Vegeta were mostly out of the way, thus putting the other characters in charge of moving the plot forward. No gags, no stalling, but just a rotation of focus before present day DB were the other characters are just irrelevant and so much weaker than the main Saiyans that even including them in, doesn't feel authentic anymore.
Yeah that's fair, not all of it is great, but I unno man, stuff like the two parter where they go to the amusement park at the RRA hire the blonde thief to steal the balls are some of my strongest memories of it.
@@TheCynicClinic i generally think Db filler is pretty good, I was not a fan of the amusement park ep, but the nam part where he helps get water to the village is great as well as the ep where goku gets trapped in a kind of journey to the west situation fighting two demon guys in a village
Fairy Tail has good filler arcs. I specify the arcs because other “filler” episodes are side stories Hiro Mashima would add in. With the “Keys of the Starry Sky,” it branches out from Lucy’s father passing on and has more pathos to it on top of being a cool adventure. It shows precisely how the guild’s changed over the Seven Year Gap and even expands on the Oracion Seis along with concepts introduced in Edolas. The second branches off from the Grand Magic Games as the Eclipse has adverse effects on the Zodiac Celestial Spirits, turning them into the new antagonists. It’s essentially a direct follow up to the previous arc and is a more easygoing story to precede the ultimate game changer that is Tartaros. This honestly kills the idea of Lucy being “useless” because Shonen.
I think one thing worth noting is the competitive environment of weekly manga magazines. If an author does a chapter about the characters living their normal lives in peace, they're likely to lose in the popularity polls to other series doing more "hype" moments, and even risk getting the series cancelled in favor of their peers. Which is why I appreciate the anime for taking the time to show us more of the characters being themselves and not always in life or death situations.
I personally like most filler, becaus eit fleshes out the anime k love further. I even love the bad filler, soley because i get to see my favorite characters just goofing off and stuff. Though i do hate filler that is just flat in the middle of an ongoing arc that cant physically fit in the arc, Looking at YOU Bleach, even if you are my second favorite animanga series.
How thick does the skull of these people have to be in order to be unable to understand that anime is an ADAPTATION of the manga. Not the manga materialized in video form. Adaptations are not obligated to be 100% accurate. Hell the Lord of the Rings trilogy is considered to this day the greatest cinematic trilogy in the history of entertainment. Yet a lot of it is different from the book. Some of the stuff that happens may be even considered ''filler''. And there's nothing wrong with that as long as its good.
I feel like it is also worth noting that there is some filler in Dragon Ball that had Toriyama's help. The Ox King's overalls outfit was originally made by Toriyama at Toei's request for a DB filler. Also, the Yardratians appeared in DBZ filler content and then got contradicted by Toriyama's design for them in DB Online before Toyotaro made both designs canon in Super. Speaking of Super, several Z filler concepts have made their way into Super, such as the cardinal supreme kais. One of the regular cardinal kais also appears in the Dragon Ball manga briefly, and each of them including the grand kai was designed by Toriyama himself, including the map of the cosmos the grand kai shows in the otherworld tournament arc. Speaking of that arc, Pikkon was designed by Toriyama, and the anime weaves in a few appearances for Pikkon towards the end of the Buu saga in a decently natural way! If people are all about the original author's intentions, they should consider how involved he was with the anime and how much the anime has ultimately contributed to dragon ball's identity at the end of the day. The Broly movie existing is a fantastic example of how this "filler content" can end up mattering in a big way even if it's not canon, as are the Yardratians appearing in Super's manga! I feel like in general, with Super marching forward and carrying the torch of the story, there is the potential for more and more of these filler concepts to get grandfathered in. Doubt we'll ever see Pikkon though ):
I am the last to say all filler is great. I am also the last to say all Filler is bad. But DragonBall might be the franchise, with not just some really good filler, but also some scenes that are way better than the OG Manga all together. If not for the Filler in the Anime, we would for example not have a full Box of DVD's full of just one single fight!
(11:07) This scene with the utterly exagerated sarcastic comment about your own opinion really had me hold my stomach from all the laughing. Apart from that, the topic was also interesting and well conveyed. The timelaps from drawing a scene was also fitting for this kind of video and soothing to watch.
@@TheCynicClinic awesome: Tien/Yamcha/Krillin/Chiatzu in that chamber where they got killed by old Saiyans; boring: Gohan/Krillin/Bulma on that spaceship with those kids
After 90 episodes of fighting and stopping the end of the world, I'm ready to just watch the characters in retirement and have real lives. If I ever go back to watch DBZ i could only ever see myself rewatching the non-fighting "filler" episodes lmao. It feels like those plots are more focused on saying something unique or tangible about life and people, and that's why I watch shows in the first place. I feel like the best would be 30% fights 70% downtime because both have the ability to touch on something important about life and entertain
According to Filler, Yamcha in the Majin Buu saga was way stronger than Super Perfect Cell, Dabura and Pre-Mystic Gohan and probably could have given SS2 Goku and Vegeta a run for their money. We see this evidence in how in the afterlife, he easily defeated Olibu and some other Warrior, the former being the guy who nearly beat Pikkon, who himself one-shotted Cell, and I don't think Olibu was just sitting around for the 7 years between the Cell saga and Majin Buu saga, he was deffinitely training and fighting all that time.
If "filler" or "padding" is so well integrated that it's not even noticable (Yu Yu Hakusho, earlier seasons of GoT, etc.), then I obviously have no problems with it. If the animation/writing quality dips to a noticable degree (which is often the case), then I can't help myself but think "I'm watching fan-fiction rn" or "would this character really say/do this?" and scrutinize everything. Suffice it to say, that is not a pleasant viewing experience.
I think the training filler is the one particular filler that the series did need, though you can argue about it not being paced very well, there should have been more build up for the characters to have to confront a threat. Especially the filler in the ROST with Gohan, where he really shows Goku how much he was working to push himself, hinting his SS2 aura in his potential but they don't show it. It gave more weight to why Goku was so confident in Gohan. Without it, people just assume Goku was being stupid, giving Cell a Sensu, when he just had high hopes in his mind, shown in the filler. Or the mental test Popo put the human fighters up to before they actually fought the real Saiyans, only to then make them all dying by them, much more of a loss, to show how powerful the Saiyans actually were. In the Buu arc, though not training, the filler is what gave Buu a lot of his character development before Super Buu took over. Where he helps the blind boy, or when the dog gets shot. It shown that Buu was redeemable, only to builds up him returning to fight Kid Buu as a personal reason for himself as well. The whole scene with Mr. Satan and Buu was pretty emotionally endearing. Or Piccolo trying to get Gotenks to master the fusion to prepare for Buu. Now I don't like the time wasting filler in fights where it just drags out the actual battle too much, but the build up to big events and actual training is what helps built anticipation for the characters.
I absolutely love Dragon Ball, filler included. I think the bits I didn't care for as much were much of the Red Ribbon Army saga, and the episodes with Arale. Didn't find her that interesting.
Phenomenal vid again. Been wondering how to tackle DB for years now since I didn't grow up with it. This has helped a lot tho. Also just wondering what was the track used in that piccolo scene?
I feel like if it adds to the story then it shouldn't be considered filler. If anything it should be called "expansion" people act like the source material of anything is automatically flawless and anything that deviates must be bad by default. But the fact that the series gets a second crack at it in the form of an anime is only a good thing. Sure there will always be cons but there will be new pros alongside them
Dragon Ball is very dry without filler. Garlic Jr. gives a lot of punch to Gohan's arc. Super is streamlined even in its 'filler', you never get any real downtime without it eventually going back to Beerus & Whis.
I think Kai does a good job of removing the crappy padding of DBZ. It's a shame they cut out all of the cool original stories, but honestly I'm so sick of the same punch and kick animation looped and pointless dialogue that I'm willing to take that trade.
While I very much agree with some of your main points about filler in concept not being any less valid of a source of entertainment, and fleshing out topics, characters, ideas. scenes etc. that the source material didn't cover as much is a very good thing, there is a big part of it that can seriously kill investment for fans: filler being non-canon to the source material means it rarely, if ever, affects the story going forward, getting worse and worse as the series goes on. For a dragonball example, it doesn't matter how much you love the Garlic Jr. arc, when the cast talks about threats Earth has faced, they're only going to mention frieza, cell and buu, because that's those lines are being adapted from the manga, where Garlic Jr. doesn't exist. You can't faithfully adapt the source material if you're constantly swerving to avoid plot holes created by the original stories made for the anime. So as such, filler arcs often wrap up leaving the story in the exact same status quo as it started. Can you take Gohan's fighting to defend the earth without his dad around as a great step for his character? Of course you can. Is that a great idea for the larger story in general? Absolutely, everyone is getting tired of the Goku show, Super Hero proved that. But the story in 100 episodes will pretend like that never happened, maybe there will even be a development in the manga that makes it so the filler could never have happened within the world's lore. And that sucks, you want the things you enjoyed in the story to matter, so it's easier to just skip that part, save time, and not be disappointed later that the arc you just liked parts of retroactively deletes itself as the story progresses.
I think filler is only a real problem when it's included or mixed with canon episodes, if filler is just kept to episodes without any canon including Those who hate filler can just simply skip those episodes without missing a single bit of canon
When i was a kid and I didn’t speak English I wasn’t aware of those filler and I was always a bit confused how those filler characters never got mentioned afterwards and always felt they these filler episodes were kind out of place. When I grew up and I learned English I discovered about fillers. A huge part of dragon ball z is filler. I remember in dbz took ages for Nappa and vegeta to arrive while in Kai they arrived shortly. To be honest every time I rewatch the series I exclude the filler by myself watching dbz i just skip them. I only watch them when I see fillers together. Fillers always confuse the story for me
I only hate the ones that don't make sense and how yamcha tein and chiaotzu beat the ginyu force. First of all how the hell is the ginyu force in heaven shouldn't they be in hell with freiza sure they don't act evil but they conqer and enslave planets under freiza's rule. Second of all I'm not even gonna talk about tein or yamcha because they actually weren't scared of their opponents. But chiaotzu beating Guldo bro...does chiaotzu secretly have God ki or something bro idk what was going on there bro
@@theunkillable7777 For your first point, King Kai did ask Yemma for them to keep their bodies and to arrive on his planet, there was an explanation there. Your second point is valid, tho.
The one filler arc I can't really defend isn't from Dragon Ball, it's the second virtual reality arc from Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters. I get that the anime team ran out of source material at an awkward time, but splicing a story arc with _another_ complete story arc destroyed all sense of pacing for Battle City. Not to mention the fact it felt like an afterthought how they stopped Yami Marik from taking advantage of the situation and doing _anything_ that would further his own agenda the whole time. I don't know of any other anime filler arcs that are "drop everything right before the final boss and go on a sidequest" like that.
Another reason I argue in-favor of the Garlic Jr Arc is that to me the knowledge in the Manga it jumps right from the reveal Goku's still alive to him returning the very next Chapter feels like way more of a cop out. It reminds me of how much I hate Death and Return of Superman adaptation jumping right from the moment he's declared dead to the Funeral, so much of my favorite content in those Comics are what's between those two events. Actually being without Goku for a time gave his return more meaning. Sailor Moon's Filler is probably hated within it's own fandom, as the Manga purest who hate the 90s Anime hate when it's directly adapting the Manga the most, if anything it's the Anime's original stories that are easiest to win those people over with. The Doom Tree arc is actually my favorite Arc of the series entirely, it's closest Sailor Moon comes to fully being everything I love about the Magical Girl shows that have come since.
heres the thing... filler is usually written by anime writers that don't really have a grasp of the story and characters and are put in pllace for the sake of padding out time, while the manga is pretty much a life and death battle by the mangaka to keep people invested in the story (with either the main conflict, the characters or anything else) most fillers I dislike (and i have seen my appropriate fandoms dislike too) you can tell are filler at a glance. the fact that there are 2 or 3 good fillers out of dozens (or more depending on the series)? is just a cheap argument I hate telling people to read manga (because most people just don't like consuming forms of media where reading is the main effort) so i would much rather give them a list of episodes to skip (sometimes catering them to include those few fillers that are defended) why? because the pacing usually improves when you have little wasted motion.
@@TheCynicClinic Thank you for making the video, as much as i may criticizes a point of the video i still love listening to discussion and argumentation even if i dissagree with it.
Some filler is entertaining but most DBZ filler is extending fight scenes to drag things out. Kai fixes those but also removes a lot of good filler. Totally worth it for the far superior acting imo
I couldn't afford manga when I was a kid but my 9yo is pissed every time the "filler" is "missing". I would be to. Gohan turning away from his home is one of the best lessons in the series... That's not included it so praised "Kai"?
Personally, I am perfectly fine with filler. If I wanted to experience the story as told in the manga, I would read the manga. I've come to watch the anime, so I'll watch the anime. I want to spend time with these characters, I want to get the full experience. You could have an anime adaptation of the crappiest manga, have filler that does infinitely more justice to the characters than the manga, and people would still skip it. Sure you could push my logic to its extremes, and say "what if there was a thousand long episode filler." Yeah it probably would get cancelled before then.
The only filler I skipped in an anime was the Bount arc in Bleach. My god it is so bad, I think i got ball cancer just by watching it. The only good moments were the gag moments.
Yeah Bount is fucking awful, that's a case where it's like nah fam. But those sites will tell you to skip all the filler, when other than Bount, Bleach has some great filler stuff, like Zankpakto Rebellion stuff and the Arabian Nights ep.
You kind of missed the main reason many dislike filler. Wanting to get through a series quickly and the others you mentioned are definetly reasons but I'd say the main reason is that filler has no impact on the story so it is hard to get invested in it when you know it ultimately doesn't influence the story or alter the characters. I get that one off episodes that are mostly slice of life maybe don't need to be canon to be enjoyable but it can still easily create a disconnect
Late comment but this is kind of a generalization and also like not true. Ive seen quite a few anime that introduce adaptation original characters or moments that are established as things that happened in the overall story and referenced later on
Terror On Arlia is the best filler episode, because Vegeta and Nappa’s early debut gives them more time to be known as characters before the fateful attack on Earth.
Late Ball/Early Z filler was really good at that, having tenshinhan and chaozu show up early, exploring how young piccolo grew up, all adds just a lot of meat to the bones of the manga
Dbz beibg too long is a meme by nonfans. Fans hate that shit because the main problem we had with dbz was we couldn't grt enough. I say dbz shoulda had more filler. Let me have filler of goku going ssj2/3 for the first time. Vegeta getting back into training aince he quit when Goku died (kinda got that in Bojack but you know,expand on that. What next?) I know they couldn't do it then in case the manga did it but yeah,also filler . Is. Canon. (At least in ball,z and GT. The anime canon is the main canon. More people watch dbz then kai or read the manga. Be real people.
Filler and gt and the specials and certain films are canon to dbz. The main canon is ball,z and gt. The original canon is the manga and supers manga tlanf the modern canon is kai and super. Three canons. Dbzs filler is great. Its not bad and without a cohesive link to manga based episodes like,another great anime,Naruto,when filler is shit.
Exactly! And this is why the hardcore fans of any entertainment are nothing more than toxic(from anime to video games, wrestling, movies, films etc). They think everything should be the same as the original material and are not smart enough to realize that the best entertainment properties never follow the original material every step. Filler is good as long as it adds something of value and DBZ fillers adds ton of that fleshing out characters and exploring the z-fighters personal lives and relationships that the manga doesn't really do.
I guess my idea of filler differ(ed) from what anime fans count as filler. I severely dislike the drawing out of story by adding minutes to episodes of what I call eye twitchy shaky muscle syndrome. I could not stand that as a kid nor can I stand it now. This is what I considered filler every time I complained about DBZ and my inability to get into the anime due to it. Give me the story without giving me useless fluffing that does nothing but draw out the watch time and episode lengths. As far as expanding certain things such as showing a growth while training and downtime, I'm for that. I have nothing against expanding upon a story to show what is assumed to be implicit in the manga, especially when things get condensed to nearly nothing. I have no qualms with this sort of "fluff" as long as it doesn't ruin the pacing. If done too quickly or too slowly it could still be a problem, but done right it's a good way to expand upon a story that isn't otherwise explicitly told as well as give you more of a connection with the characters.
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Not a fan of filler. Filler is made so the manga can catch up. It’s literally the tv show creators throwing shit at the wall until the og creators of the whole IP add more to the manga. That’s why it’s never canon. It’s not from the people started it and the ones who understand the story the best and what the IP is about the best. Even if it’s good filler,it’s not canon so it doesn’t matter. The Gohan who met those orphans isn’t the same one who eventually saved Earth from Cell. That alone makes filler pointless for me. And as I said, there is good filler out there, even in dbz but the good filler to bad filler ratio usually is way more in favor of the latter. You might find one filler episode that adds to it all or hits you in a certain way, but you’ll have to dig through multiple pointless stories, out of character moments galore, and plot holes cuz adding so much pointless crap to something makes it bloated and the story loses focus. I watch DBZ Kai and the final chapters. No filler whatsoever. Narrator explains time skips where significant filler was in the og series. The cussing is there. The blood is uncensored. The voice actors have had years of experience by now and are at the top of their game for the dub. I grew up with the Faulconer score on toonami but after years of watching it subbed, dubbed, and multiple versions of both, I’ve found the kikuchi score to be the best. I actually loved the og Kai music but then come to find out it was all plagiarized. Whoops lol. I don’t really dig the Faulconer score anymore. Doesn’t fit the vibe of the show nearly as well as the og Kikuchi score. Basically, what I’m trying to say, I believe the most superior way to watch DBZ now is the Kai blu rays. The 4 of them and then Final Chapters. Puts all the others to shame
Definitely prefer Z, mainly cus I don't like Kai's music, but also the pace of individual scenes felt off, and honestly it didn't improve the overall pacing that much in the grand scheme of things
@@TheCynicClinic I Def agree to the music. Yamamoto was ok but repetitive, but the use of kikuchi didn't work for me. And for TFC using the same music as super felt weird , that music belongs in super. For me , kikuchi is good in z but works best in OG, falconer pumps me up for z. Yeah the edits are a bit odd, I remember Nappa Vs Tien, Nappa was in the air , then the next shot is Nappa running towards him in the ground with no shot of him landing? Also in Kai the ginyu get one shotted whereas in z each member got an entire episode each. However the returning English actors provided a better dub in Kai , but was jarring to hear new voices for everyone else besides frieza or bulma.
I can confidently say the filler is the best part of the DB franchise and my favorite parts come from the filler. The weakest part are easily written by toriyama who despite being the creator is the worst writer for the series
DBZ filler is mostly bad. People aren’t mindless for not liking it, and I think it’s in bad faith to assume anyone who doesn’t share your opinion is dumb
I don't hate filler I just don't like the fact that some of it doesn't make sense like chiaotzu beat guldo. As much as i like filler episodes that's just really questionable
@@TheCynicClinic In this context I mean anime original episodes/arcs and not extended/altered scenes or whatever like your example with Goku taking a minute to transform. Anyways, I doubt anyone at Toei actually enjoyed doing those episodes to begin with. Toei is a company known for being bad to it's animators and combined with the reason of having to produce filler in the first place I doubt anyone working on those fillers even liked or cared about them. They were solely done to keep the paychecks coming as filler (again as in anime original episodes) is an inherently cynical and corporate practice. Why should the viewer care about this material if the anime staff probably didn't? This is why the only fillers worth watching are stuff that adds to existing stuff like the aforementioned extended super saiyan transformation which are generally done as apart of a genuine creative choice by the staff. Anyways I just wanted to stop the circlejerking in the comments. I did like the parts where you joked about Freiza saying the n word on stream tho. That was funny.
If I had enough time on my hands I'd create my own version of Dragon Ball, one that's somewhere in between DBZ and Kai. I love filler that really expands the character development and adds an extra layer of drama and comedy to the story. Heck, the first episode I ever saw was the driving school episode. And I loved it! But if I were to recommend Dragon Ball to any new viewer, it's really hard to convince them to watch 500 episodes of often poorly paced action. I just wish I had my own version to screen. I guess that's why we have fan edits.
I think the fillers are absolutely neccessary to build desire for an event e.g. the feeling of reaching Namek would not be the same if the long trip just had been skipped like in the manga. It felt like an eternity, and some filler episodes were boring, but the satisfaction is a whole other level as if just saying "and 6 months later they reached Namek". And man, did they troll me with that fake Namek episode!
People only dislike filler cause it disqualifies a lot of the father-son bonding time Goku and Gohan have in the series so they can keep up the piccolo is gohan's dad meme
@@razkable every single part you just mentioned is good.
I've never heard that, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people made that argument.
No we hate filler because it is not Canon. Goku is not a good father
I mean sure if you literally only watch the latter half of the Cell Arc
True that (-_-)
Episode about Gohan's birthday is just so wholesome, so sad some people skip it because it's filler.
Same about episode where Gohan "fought" Mercenary Tao. It was a great episode that shown how normal countryfolk reacted to Cell Games announcement.
This was very good, and your editing and drawing are fantastic!
Thanks my man! It means a lot coming from a connoisseur such as yourself.
The legend himself!
Oh damn, nice to see you here Mistare!
Yeah, the Gohan Saiyan Saga filler had some of my favorite episodes as a kid. People have a tendency to view the way that they experienced things, or that things "are supposed to be experienced" as the optimal way and integrate it into their identity.
Couldn't have said it better myself man.
The filler in DB & Z was some of the best bits of the series for me. It expanded on the story in fun ways, and gave us some fun slice of life bits. Classic DB filler had a few filler episodes build up this bad guy named Coronal Silver, only for Goku to take him down in a few hits. It's pretty funny. Plus without filler, we wouldn't have the Great Saiyaman arc! And worse! We wouldn't have Goku and Piccolo driving cars! Do you really want to live in a world where they didn't drive cars??
You preach the truth brother
Fuck no they weren’t. Bulma was the absolute worst during Namek. Not to mention all the cutaways to fucken Chi Chi during the Frieza fight. It was so fucken annoying
The story filler was always a pleasure to watch, and it's usually just wholesome to watch.
When you mentioned the manga at the end you proved a good point. I have yet to finish the anime but some of the filler I have seen has made me love and enjoy the story a lot more than the manga. Especially Gohan's training arc with Picollo. The manga felt too focused on the action by this point that it felt like an excuse to have cool explosions.
Although I do completely agree with the idea some filler sucks or makes the anime go for much longer than necessary. It honestly just made the Z saga so much more interesting.
Exactly. It made the world feel more alive, made it feel more interesting.
The DBZ filler/slice of life episodes are so fun and wholesome
i always liked the filler of vegeta going to space to find goku...
that was one of my favorites
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was waiting for you to mention it
gohan's training arc was good
"If you're not eating or sleeping, you're training with me."
You need more subs man, I’m off my face and I can’t believe you put this much effort in!! Amazing content
I used to dislike filler back in the day due to power scaling.
Now that weve had super I dont give a damn. And i love it. All of it.
People dislike filler because they can't take it when a character wants to do something else other then fighting
It isnt canon that’s why, kid
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@@HistoryandReviews stfu. No one cares. Shove your "canon" up your ass
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@@HistoryandReviews that doesnt matter canontard
Very good video as always. Imo filler is a pretty dumb name because it completely misses the point of what an adaptation is supposed to be. If anything I think people should refer to anime orginal content as just that, as it has a much less negative connotation in comparison. I also think people should stop attempting to correlate padding with anime og content, as this can just as much apply to the source material as well. This notion can become particularly ridiculous when the adaptation attempts to deviate drastically from the source and have its own unique ending. Espcially when it comes to shows like FMA 03, whose second half is entirely anime original.
I agree. Plus filler in dbz often beats the manga. Look at Majin Vegeta vs Goku in the manga vs the anime only parts they added,filler. The filler is much better then the mangas choreography. The manga basically skipped over Goku vs Majin Vegeta. Also it's canon weather weaboos accept it or not.
Jesus Christ your editing style and your art is amazing.
You left out some of the best filler in dragonball. Which is the time travel that Goku does training with strong characters that are dead in the main storyline during the piccolo saga
True, and the fellas have to stop the volcano from destroying the village. DB filler is pogchampion brother
The Garlic Junior arc is pretty much what most people have wanted from the series for a long time. Arcs where the other characters are given the same spotlight, responsibility and competence that Goku and Vegeta are always given. Its actually what made Z more interesting in the Namek arc (against the Ginyu Force), the early Android arc and early Buu arc, because Goku and Vegeta were mostly out of the way, thus putting the other characters in charge of moving the plot forward. No gags, no stalling, but just a rotation of focus before present day DB were the other characters are just irrelevant and so much weaker than the main Saiyans that even including them in, doesn't feel authentic anymore.
Super Hero was incredible.
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Well garsh, you know how to make a feller blush.
Young Roshi and Popo's training was great in DB, although some of the filler in the red ribbon army really burnt me out
Yeah that's fair, not all of it is great, but I unno man, stuff like the two parter where they go to the amusement park at the RRA hire the blonde thief to steal the balls are some of my strongest memories of it.
@@TheCynicClinic i generally think Db filler is pretty good, I was not a fan of the amusement park ep, but the nam part where he helps get water to the village is great
as well as the ep where goku gets trapped in a kind of journey to the west situation fighting two demon guys in a village
I agree with everything said here and I'm really glad to finally hear it put into words, since I've been struggling a lot.
I love DBZ filler because it's mostly small little adventure episodes outside the main narrative. It reminds me of OG dragon ball
Fairy Tail has good filler arcs. I specify the arcs because other “filler” episodes are side stories Hiro Mashima would add in. With the “Keys of the Starry Sky,” it branches out from Lucy’s father passing on and has more pathos to it on top of being a cool adventure. It shows precisely how the guild’s changed over the Seven Year Gap and even expands on the Oracion Seis along with concepts introduced in Edolas.
The second branches off from the Grand Magic Games as the Eclipse has adverse effects on the Zodiac Celestial Spirits, turning them into the new antagonists. It’s essentially a direct follow up to the previous arc and is a more easygoing story to precede the ultimate game changer that is Tartaros. This honestly kills the idea of Lucy being “useless” because Shonen.
I think one thing worth noting is the competitive environment of weekly manga magazines. If an author does a chapter about the characters living their normal lives in peace, they're likely to lose in the popularity polls to other series doing more "hype" moments, and even risk getting the series cancelled in favor of their peers. Which is why I appreciate the anime for taking the time to show us more of the characters being themselves and not always in life or death situations.
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I personally like most filler, becaus eit fleshes out the anime k love further. I even love the bad filler, soley because i get to see my favorite characters just goofing off and stuff. Though i do hate filler that is just flat in the middle of an ongoing arc that cant physically fit in the arc, Looking at YOU Bleach, even if you are my second favorite animanga series.
How thick does the skull of these people have to be in order to be unable to understand that anime is an ADAPTATION of the manga. Not the manga materialized in video form. Adaptations are not obligated to be 100% accurate. Hell the Lord of the Rings trilogy is considered to this day the greatest cinematic trilogy in the history of entertainment. Yet a lot of it is different from the book. Some of the stuff that happens may be even considered ''filler''. And there's nothing wrong with that as long as its good.
I feel like it is also worth noting that there is some filler in Dragon Ball that had Toriyama's help.
The Ox King's overalls outfit was originally made by Toriyama at Toei's request for a DB filler. Also, the Yardratians appeared in DBZ filler content and then got contradicted by Toriyama's design for them in DB Online before Toyotaro made both designs canon in Super.
Speaking of Super, several Z filler concepts have made their way into Super, such as the cardinal supreme kais. One of the regular cardinal kais also appears in the Dragon Ball manga briefly, and each of them including the grand kai was designed by Toriyama himself, including the map of the cosmos the grand kai shows in the otherworld tournament arc. Speaking of that arc, Pikkon was designed by Toriyama, and the anime weaves in a few appearances for Pikkon towards the end of the Buu saga in a decently natural way!
If people are all about the original author's intentions, they should consider how involved he was with the anime and how much the anime has ultimately contributed to dragon ball's identity at the end of the day. The Broly movie existing is a fantastic example of how this "filler content" can end up mattering in a big way even if it's not canon, as are the Yardratians appearing in Super's manga!
I feel like in general, with Super marching forward and carrying the torch of the story, there is the potential for more and more of these filler concepts to get grandfathered in.
Doubt we'll ever see Pikkon though ):
I am the last to say all filler is great. I am also the last to say all Filler is bad. But DragonBall might be the franchise, with not just some really good filler, but also some scenes that are way better than the OG Manga all together. If not for the Filler in the Anime, we would for example not have a full Box of DVD's full of just one single fight!
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I love how you respectfully yet firmly call out those who despise fillers "because it's not canon 🤓🤓"
(11:07) This scene with the utterly exagerated sarcastic comment about your own opinion really had me hold my stomach from all the laughing.
Apart from that, the topic was also interesting and well conveyed. The timelaps from drawing a scene was also fitting for this kind of video and soothing to watch.
Thanks for the kind words! The speed drawing seems to work for longer form content, maybe I should do it more often
some of them are way better than anything Toriyama has ever done, but some others are very boring ....
Examples for both?
@@TheCynicClinic awesome: Tien/Yamcha/Krillin/Chiatzu in that chamber where they got killed by old Saiyans; boring: Gohan/Krillin/Bulma on that spaceship with those kids
After 90 episodes of fighting and stopping the end of the world, I'm ready to just watch the characters in retirement and have real lives. If I ever go back to watch DBZ i could only ever see myself rewatching the non-fighting "filler" episodes lmao.
It feels like those plots are more focused on saying something unique or tangible about life and people, and that's why I watch shows in the first place. I feel like the best would be 30% fights 70% downtime because both have the ability to touch on something important about life and entertain
According to Filler, Yamcha in the Majin Buu saga was way stronger than Super Perfect Cell, Dabura and Pre-Mystic Gohan and probably could have given SS2 Goku and Vegeta a run for their money. We see this evidence in how in the afterlife, he easily defeated Olibu and some other Warrior, the former being the guy who nearly beat Pikkon, who himself one-shotted Cell, and I don't think Olibu was just sitting around for the 7 years between the Cell saga and Majin Buu saga, he was deffinitely training and fighting all that time.
Wow, great job on the artwork and discussion.
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If "filler" or "padding" is so well integrated that it's not even noticable (Yu Yu Hakusho, earlier seasons of GoT, etc.), then I obviously have no problems with it.
If the animation/writing quality dips to a noticable degree (which is often the case), then I can't help myself but think "I'm watching fan-fiction rn" or "would this character really say/do this?" and scrutinize everything. Suffice it to say, that is not a pleasant viewing experience.
So true but all of dbzs filler is great. Especially garlic jr. The only arc that wasnt just waiting for goku to steal the gloary.
I think the training filler is the one particular filler that the series did need, though you can argue about it not being paced very well, there should have been more build up for the characters to have to confront a threat. Especially the filler in the ROST with Gohan, where he really shows Goku how much he was working to push himself, hinting his SS2 aura in his potential but they don't show it. It gave more weight to why Goku was so confident in Gohan. Without it, people just assume Goku was being stupid, giving Cell a Sensu, when he just had high hopes in his mind, shown in the filler. Or the mental test Popo put the human fighters up to before they actually fought the real Saiyans, only to then make them all dying by them, much more of a loss, to show how powerful the Saiyans actually were.
In the Buu arc, though not training, the filler is what gave Buu a lot of his character development before Super Buu took over. Where he helps the blind boy, or when the dog gets shot. It shown that Buu was redeemable, only to builds up him returning to fight Kid Buu as a personal reason for himself as well. The whole scene with Mr. Satan and Buu was pretty emotionally endearing. Or Piccolo trying to get Gotenks to master the fusion to prepare for Buu.
Now I don't like the time wasting filler in fights where it just drags out the actual battle too much, but the build up to big events and actual training is what helps built anticipation for the characters.
Dragon ball filler wasn't too bad compares to say Ninja Ostrich...
I absolutely love Dragon Ball, filler included. I think the bits I didn't care for as much were much of the Red Ribbon Army saga, and the episodes with Arale. Didn't find her that interesting.
Phenomenal vid again. Been wondering how to tackle DB for years now since I didn't grow up with it. This has helped a lot tho. Also just wondering what was the track used in that piccolo scene?
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It's part of the actual OST, it usually only shows up when shit gets real. ruclips.net/video/Bs9fEmbT2qE/видео.html
@@TheCynicClinic Ay Thanks! Pretty great track.
@@iz7019 the whole jp OST is amazing
I feel like if it adds to the story then it shouldn't be considered filler. If anything it should be called "expansion" people act like the source material of anything is automatically flawless and anything that deviates must be bad by default. But the fact that the series gets a second crack at it in the form of an anime is only a good thing. Sure there will always be cons but there will be new pros alongside them
Amen brother
Dragon Ball is very dry without filler. Garlic Jr. gives a lot of punch to Gohan's arc. Super is streamlined even in its 'filler', you never get any real downtime without it eventually going back to Beerus & Whis.
I think Kai does a good job of removing the crappy padding of DBZ. It's a shame they cut out all of the cool original stories, but honestly I'm so sick of the same punch and kick animation looped and pointless dialogue that I'm willing to take that trade.
While I very much agree with some of your main points about filler in concept not being any less valid of a source of entertainment, and fleshing out topics, characters, ideas. scenes etc. that the source material didn't cover as much is a very good thing, there is a big part of it that can seriously kill investment for fans: filler being non-canon to the source material means it rarely, if ever, affects the story going forward, getting worse and worse as the series goes on.
For a dragonball example, it doesn't matter how much you love the Garlic Jr. arc, when the cast talks about threats Earth has faced, they're only going to mention frieza, cell and buu, because that's those lines are being adapted from the manga, where Garlic Jr. doesn't exist.
You can't faithfully adapt the source material if you're constantly swerving to avoid plot holes created by the original stories made for the anime. So as such, filler arcs often wrap up leaving the story in the exact same status quo as it started.
Can you take Gohan's fighting to defend the earth without his dad around as a great step for his character? Of course you can. Is that a great idea for the larger story in general? Absolutely, everyone is getting tired of the Goku show, Super Hero proved that. But the story in 100 episodes will pretend like that never happened, maybe there will even be a development in the manga that makes it so the filler could never have happened within the world's lore. And that sucks, you want the things you enjoyed in the story to matter, so it's easier to just skip that part, save time, and not be disappointed later that the arc you just liked parts of retroactively deletes itself as the story progresses.
"I'm gonna fire it, I'm telling you, I'm gonna fire this fucking kamehameha, I'm gonna say the n word"
I fucking lost it
I think filler is only a real problem when it's included or mixed with canon episodes, if filler is just kept to episodes without any canon including
Those who hate filler can just simply skip those episodes without missing a single bit of canon
When i was a kid and I didn’t speak English I wasn’t aware of those filler and I was always a bit confused how those filler characters never got mentioned afterwards and always felt they these filler episodes were kind out of place. When I grew up and I learned English I discovered about fillers. A huge part of dragon ball z is filler. I remember in dbz took ages for Nappa and vegeta to arrive while in Kai they arrived shortly. To be honest every time I rewatch the series I exclude the filler by myself watching dbz i just skip them. I only watch them when I see fillers together. Fillers always confuse the story for me
why do people complain? they gave characters stuff to do
I don't hate filler at all
I only hate the ones that don't make sense and how yamcha tein and chiaotzu beat the ginyu force. First of all how the hell is the ginyu force in heaven shouldn't they be in hell with freiza sure they don't act evil but they conqer and enslave planets under freiza's rule. Second of all I'm not even gonna talk about tein or yamcha because they actually weren't scared of their opponents. But chiaotzu beating Guldo bro...does chiaotzu secretly have God ki or something bro idk what was going on there bro
@@theunkillable7777 For your first point, King Kai did ask Yemma for them to keep their bodies and to arrive on his planet, there was an explanation there.
Your second point is valid, tho.
@@ChiefMedicPururu oh sorry I forgot about that part
The one filler arc I can't really defend isn't from Dragon Ball, it's the second virtual reality arc from Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters. I get that the anime team ran out of source material at an awkward time, but splicing a story arc with _another_ complete story arc destroyed all sense of pacing for Battle City. Not to mention the fact it felt like an afterthought how they stopped Yami Marik from taking advantage of the situation and doing _anything_ that would further his own agenda the whole time. I don't know of any other anime filler arcs that are "drop everything right before the final boss and go on a sidequest" like that.
Another reason I argue in-favor of the Garlic Jr Arc is that to me the knowledge in the Manga it jumps right from the reveal Goku's still alive to him returning the very next Chapter feels like way more of a cop out. It reminds me of how much I hate Death and Return of Superman adaptation jumping right from the moment he's declared dead to the Funeral, so much of my favorite content in those Comics are what's between those two events. Actually being without Goku for a time gave his return more meaning.
Sailor Moon's Filler is probably hated within it's own fandom, as the Manga purest who hate the 90s Anime hate when it's directly adapting the Manga the most, if anything it's the Anime's original stories that are easiest to win those people over with. The Doom Tree arc is actually my favorite Arc of the series entirely, it's closest Sailor Moon comes to fully being everything I love about the Magical Girl shows that have come since.
heres the thing... filler is usually written by anime writers that don't really have a grasp of the story and characters and are put in pllace for the sake of padding out time, while the manga is pretty much a life and death battle by the mangaka to keep people invested in the story (with either the main conflict, the characters or anything else) most fillers I dislike (and i have seen my appropriate fandoms dislike too) you can tell are filler at a glance. the fact that there are 2 or 3 good fillers out of dozens (or more depending on the series)? is just a cheap argument
I hate telling people to read manga (because most people just don't like consuming forms of media where reading is the main effort) so i would much rather give them a list of episodes to skip (sometimes catering them to include those few fillers that are defended) why? because the pacing usually improves when you have little wasted motion.
Thanks for watching the video though!
@@TheCynicClinic Thank you for making the video, as much as i may criticizes a point of the video i still love listening to discussion and argumentation even if i dissagree with it.
God Bless You!😇✝
I don't care if it's not like the manga, if its a good fight then im all in.
**Eat my dust, Piccolo**
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Some filler is entertaining but most DBZ filler is extending fight scenes to drag things out.
Kai fixes those but also removes a lot of good filler.
Totally worth it for the far superior acting imo
Gohan with Robot is my favorite filler in Z
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I couldn't afford manga when I was a kid but my 9yo is pissed every time the "filler" is "missing". I would be to. Gohan turning away from his home is one of the best lessons in the series... That's not included it so praised "Kai"?
Personally, I am perfectly fine with filler. If I wanted to experience the story as told in the manga, I would read the manga. I've come to watch the anime, so I'll watch the anime. I want to spend time with these characters, I want to get the full experience. You could have an anime adaptation of the crappiest manga, have filler that does infinitely more justice to the characters than the manga, and people would still skip it. Sure you could push my logic to its extremes, and say "what if there was a thousand long episode filler." Yeah it probably would get cancelled before then.
The only filler I skipped in an anime was the Bount arc in Bleach. My god it is so bad, I think i got ball cancer just by watching it. The only good moments were the gag moments.
Yeah Bount is fucking awful, that's a case where it's like nah fam. But those sites will tell you to skip all the filler, when other than Bount, Bleach has some great filler stuff, like Zankpakto Rebellion stuff and the Arabian Nights ep.
alot the filler in dbz is awsome for world buildn
I liked the filler.
You kind of missed the main reason many dislike filler. Wanting to get through a series quickly and the others you mentioned are definetly reasons but I'd say the main reason is that filler has no impact on the story so it is hard to get invested in it when you know it ultimately doesn't influence the story or alter the characters. I get that one off episodes that are mostly slice of life maybe don't need to be canon to be enjoyable but it can still easily create a disconnect
Late comment but this is kind of a generalization and also like not true. Ive seen quite a few anime that introduce adaptation original characters or moments that are established as things that happened in the overall story and referenced later on
@@Viwer_____ Cool! Perhaps if you posted that comment 2 years ago I would have debated you but I don't exactly care, have a good day!
Terror On Arlia is the best filler episode, because Vegeta and Nappa’s early debut gives them more time to be known as characters before the fateful attack on Earth.
Late Ball/Early Z filler was really good at that, having tenshinhan and chaozu show up early, exploring how young piccolo grew up, all adds just a lot of meat to the bones of the manga
The filler is good for the most part. Some of it is really unnecessary. Garlic Junior Saga could had been a movie, Return of Garlic Junior.
As a new coming I had basic knowledge of the original dragon ball so I skipped it and went straight to Z
Dbz beibg too long is a meme by nonfans. Fans hate that shit because the main problem we had with dbz was we couldn't grt enough. I say dbz shoulda had more filler. Let me have filler of goku going ssj2/3 for the first time. Vegeta getting back into training aince he quit when Goku died (kinda got that in Bojack but you know,expand on that. What next?) I know they couldn't do it then in case the manga did it but yeah,also filler . Is. Canon. (At least in ball,z and GT. The anime canon is the main canon. More people watch dbz then kai or read the manga. Be real people.
Filler and gt and the specials and certain films are canon to dbz. The main canon is ball,z and gt. The original canon is the manga and supers manga tlanf the modern canon is kai and super. Three canons. Dbzs filler is great. Its not bad and without a cohesive link to manga based episodes like,another great anime,Naruto,when filler is shit.
Who cares canon or not it adds to the story to what the show is
Preach it my man!
Exactly! And this is why the hardcore fans of any entertainment are nothing more than toxic(from anime to video games, wrestling, movies, films etc). They think everything should be the same as the original material and are not smart enough to realize that the best entertainment properties never follow the original material every step. Filler is good as long as it adds something of value and DBZ fillers adds ton of that fleshing out characters and exploring the z-fighters personal lives and relationships that the manga doesn't really do.
I think if the pacing were better fillers wouldn't feel like such a drag.
Depends on the anime I suppose, I think in DB the filler has a much crisper pace than usual.
The problem i have with DBZ fillers are it will contradicted by Super
but the DBZ fillers were there first, so it's not their fault
I guess my idea of filler differ(ed) from what anime fans count as filler. I severely dislike the drawing out of story by adding minutes to episodes of what I call eye twitchy shaky muscle syndrome. I could not stand that as a kid nor can I stand it now. This is what I considered filler every time I complained about DBZ and my inability to get into the anime due to it. Give me the story without giving me useless fluffing that does nothing but draw out the watch time and episode lengths.
As far as expanding certain things such as showing a growth while training and downtime, I'm for that. I have nothing against expanding upon a story to show what is assumed to be implicit in the manga, especially when things get condensed to nearly nothing. I have no qualms with this sort of "fluff" as long as it doesn't ruin the pacing. If done too quickly or too slowly it could still be a problem, but done right it's a good way to expand upon a story that isn't otherwise explicitly told as well as give you more of a connection with the characters.
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That’s called padding, not filler. Filler is it’s own entity, whether it is an episode or a song. At least imo
Not a fan of filler. Filler is made so the manga can catch up. It’s literally the tv show creators throwing shit at the wall until the og creators of the whole IP add more to the manga. That’s why it’s never canon. It’s not from the people started it and the ones who understand the story the best and what the IP is about the best. Even if it’s good filler,it’s not canon so it doesn’t matter. The Gohan who met those orphans isn’t the same one who eventually saved Earth from Cell. That alone makes filler pointless for me. And as I said, there is good filler out there, even in dbz but the good filler to bad filler ratio usually is way more in favor of the latter. You might find one filler episode that adds to it all or hits you in a certain way, but you’ll have to dig through multiple pointless stories, out of character moments galore, and plot holes cuz adding so much pointless crap to something makes it bloated and the story loses focus. I watch DBZ Kai and the final chapters. No filler whatsoever. Narrator explains time skips where significant filler was in the og series. The cussing is there. The blood is uncensored. The voice actors have had years of experience by now and are at the top of their game for the dub. I grew up with the Faulconer score on toonami but after years of watching it subbed, dubbed, and multiple versions of both, I’ve found the kikuchi score to be the best. I actually loved the og Kai music but then come to find out it was all plagiarized. Whoops lol. I don’t really dig the Faulconer score anymore. Doesn’t fit the vibe of the show nearly as well as the og Kikuchi score. Basically, what I’m trying to say, I believe the most superior way to watch DBZ now is the Kai blu rays. The 4 of them and then Final Chapters. Puts all the others to shame
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Do you personally prefer z to Kai? I have watched both and felt Kai seemed too fast and didn't have the same impact
Definitely prefer Z, mainly cus I don't like Kai's music, but also the pace of individual scenes felt off, and honestly it didn't improve the overall pacing that much in the grand scheme of things
@@TheCynicClinic I Def agree to the music. Yamamoto was ok but repetitive, but the use of kikuchi didn't work for me. And for TFC using the same music as super felt weird , that music belongs in super.
For me , kikuchi is good in z but works best in OG, falconer pumps me up for z.
Yeah the edits are a bit odd, I remember Nappa Vs Tien, Nappa was in the air , then the next shot is Nappa running towards him in the ground with no shot of him landing? Also in Kai the ginyu get one shotted whereas in z each member got an entire episode each. However the returning English actors provided a better dub in Kai , but was jarring to hear new voices for everyone else besides frieza or bulma.
I can confidently say the filler is the best part of the DB franchise and my favorite parts come from the filler. The weakest part are easily written by toriyama who despite being the creator is the worst writer for the series
DBZ filler is mostly bad. People aren’t mindless for not liking it, and I think it’s in bad faith to assume anyone who doesn’t share your opinion is dumb
I love db amd dbz filler becuase u coudlnt even tell it was filler but supers filler is bloated trash tht just feels like filler
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People dislike filler cause the dragon fandom is Terrible.
I don't hate filler I just don't like the fact that some of it doesn't make sense like chiaotzu beat guldo. As much as i like filler episodes that's just really questionable
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Filler is still generally a waste of time tho.
How so?
@@TheCynicClinic In this context I mean anime original episodes/arcs and not extended/altered scenes or whatever like your example with Goku taking a minute to transform.
Anyways, I doubt anyone at Toei actually enjoyed doing those episodes to begin with. Toei is a company known for being bad to it's animators and combined with the reason of having to produce filler in the first place I doubt anyone working on those fillers even liked or cared about them. They were solely done to keep the paychecks coming as filler (again as in anime original episodes) is an inherently cynical and corporate practice. Why should the viewer care about this material if the anime staff probably didn't?
This is why the only fillers worth watching are stuff that adds to existing stuff like the aforementioned extended super saiyan transformation which are generally done as apart of a genuine creative choice by the staff.
Anyways I just wanted to stop the circlejerking in the comments. I did like the parts where you joked about Freiza saying the n word on stream tho. That was funny.
Do you think kai is better?
If I had enough time on my hands I'd create my own version of Dragon Ball, one that's somewhere in between DBZ and Kai. I love filler that really expands the character development and adds an extra layer of drama and comedy to the story. Heck, the first episode I ever saw was the driving school episode. And I loved it!
But if I were to recommend Dragon Ball to any new viewer, it's really hard to convince them to watch 500 episodes of often poorly paced action. I just wish I had my own version to screen. I guess that's why we have fan edits.
I think the fillers are absolutely neccessary to build desire for an event e.g. the feeling of reaching Namek would not be the same if the long trip just had been skipped like in the manga. It felt like an eternity, and some filler episodes were boring, but the satisfaction is a whole other level as if just saying "and 6 months later they reached Namek". And man, did they troll me with that fake Namek episode!