Jeffrey Toobin On The Wild Saga Of Patty Hearst
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- New Yorker staff writer and bestselling author Jeffrey Toobin discusses his book, American Heiress: The Wild Saga of the Kidnapping, Crimes and Trial of Patty Hearst - the definitive account of the kidnapping and trial that defined an era in American history.
I was just a child during the time of the kidnapping. But later, I found myself bound to a cult. It can make you act differently and talk differently. But that's a survival thing. Having said that, I have studied the case, and studied as a therapist in grad school and I am still thinking she may have joined them. May have. I am not sure.
I believe learning from the mistakes
It could be done again bigger n better
Than before. communication is 🔑
Omg, they tortured her, she did what she had to do to survive. She needed reprogramming therapy, not jail.
Exactly. Anyone skeptical about her just doesn’t understand trauma.
yes, continue saying stupidities
Typical white privilege response. If Patty Herse was Patrina Washington this defense would not even be considered.
Reprogramming therapy? That implies she was programmed. Hmm..... So programming people is possible? If that's true let's think about that at a bigger scale. At a point when influence of our minds is much greater. As a child, what does the pledge of allegiance every day five days a week do to a child's mind.and what I a child's understanding of it? What is an adults understanding of it? What is your understanding of it?
Yeah I don't believe anything that the SLA people claim .
The interviewer guy won't shut up! He acts like he's the co-author of the book.
At least jeff Toobin isnt masturbating here
He's not an "interviewer guy", he's a moderator. He is doing exactly what is requirred and expected from him on such dialogue forum based platforms with an audience of topic informed invited audience guests.
For as much as you may find him annoying, he's actually done an exemplary job in his preparation, thoroughness, addressing points that some members of the guest audience would have discussed with him prior to filming, and moving the dialogue forward at a pace that would adhere to production time constraints while 'steering' the keynote speaker in a forward direction.
Don't like the 'Readers Digest' format? ....... You could always just read the authors book, or get the audio book version and have it read to you.
@@brandonbrook9664 *author's
if you say "A.M," you don't need to add "in the morning!" that drives me bananas!
And the psychological role the Vietnam war played in creating domestic lunacy like SLA. The "normal" news and military spoke of killing Vietnamese people in the name of liberation. When the insanity of such a war is presented as sane - it's bound to lead susceptible people to taking it to the next level of madness.
You keep telling yourself that.
whataboutism
*the Vietnam War
There is no doubt what so ever that she was kidnapped, and at first a victim, now, if you think later she was brain washed into joining forces with the SLA, or was a willing participant who committed numerous felony offenses and had numerous occasions to escape is still open to debate by many. Personally, I think she was fascinated by the publicity the case was receiving and wish to portray herself as rich girl turned into the knight in shinning armour to assist the poor. If she would have been anybody else she would still be in prison today. If her name wasn't Hearst she would have never received a commutation from President Jimmy Carter, had President Reagan give serious consideration to a pardon, and then have President Bill Clinton give her a full pardon. That is three US Presidents involved in the case of Patty Hearst. If she was poor she would have never had one of them help her, but because of how wealthy her family was, three US Presidents were involved in her case. That is a slap in the face to the US justice system.
The only reason there is “debate” is because of rich white privilege period
Not true. Presidents look at the cases of average citizens too.
@@Werewolf0216 for a pardon? Maybe so, but rarely, usually a high profile case, or somebody with money.
@@Johnny53kgb-nsa well as we know from even recently, typically hundreds of pardons happen when a president leaves office. We just hear about the high profile much more.
Not only Big Money but Media Money! The latter probably carrying more weight than the former.
She was kidnapped and was smart enough to survive. Period.
Stockholm syndrome is a complete myth , and completely made up by the CIA ie Jolly West ( Manson ,Ruby ,Sirhan,McVeigh etc )
The CIA concocted crazy ideas hoping to get it's operatives and accomplices off
Stockholm syndrome,The Twinkie defense,The false memory foundation etc
We know Defreese was CIA AF
Go read " revolutions end " by Schreiber
Patty Hearst was having a sexual relationship with Defreese while he was in jail, they were actually plotting together to kidnap both her sisters
Hard to believe a whole narrative was convicted to absolve a little rich girl of her sins ,right ?
Nevermind that women are almost never seen as having any agency , just rudderless damsels I guess
Read "Chaos" by O'Neill
Read " weird scenes inside the canyon "
Read " programmed to kill "
Almost everything in California during that time period was an OP
Poor Little Patty...she should have spent 30 years in federal prison for bank robbery.
thing is she was more useful outside after her release
30 years for bank robbery? That's heavy.
in the process of reading this book right now. boy, if this book is the truth, it sure doesn't jibe with patty hearsts' version today.
*Hearst's
That's because it's full of his ideas and theories. Not facts
I believe Patricia Hearst 😊😊
I mean, for anyone to think Patty was involved with the SLA by choice is crazy. Let's not forget she was a teenager when she was kidnapped and kept in a closet for months.
David Maderich in a closet for a month..... despicable and horrifying! only 19...
Yes all these people talking crap about her but they were not kidnapped and raped and kept being raped and held against their will! 🤬
I TOTALLY BELIEVE PATTY F THE SLA N THIS BS TOOBIN IZ SAYIN
@@dewaynedarmanie2375 UNINTELLIGIBLE
In a closet less than a month.
I remember watching all these events on btw tv, especially the lunitic Jim Jones.
Doesn't.
*lunatic
I remember the long pink bench cushion bench it was in my Aunts home by her bed in Whittier
I admire the unseen hands turning
knobs of room33
The dues of the do nots
& the Eyes if the Owl the Mothers of Light grooms for the night
Wish I had a string to play with
of my own
What's that from?
The host is pretty annoying. Wish he'd let his guest speak without interrupting, and keep is opinions to himself.
Funny huh I didn't see people laughing when they took the bank with assault rifles.😁
Close your eyes for one second.....IMAGINE IF THIS PERSON WAS NOT HEARST.....BUT A BLACK POOR MAN!! ..HONESTLY, WHERE WOULD HE BE TODAY???
Systemic discrimination that saved her in the end.
Commie give it a rest.
Operation midnight climax.
Perfect name for something
Soooo conniving
Who is the guy interviewing Toobin? He, himself, is behaving like an idiot. I liked Toobin's book; I feel sorry for him sitting up there on that stage with that arrogant interviewer.
I wouldn't buy his book if they gave away free copies. It's still too expensive and full of ****😊
Fascinating case.
Don't forget they were politicians on the board of my family estates
Wasn't Dr. West who worked for the defense involved in a lot of MK Ultra stuff?
He was Toobin Off
She actually thought she was going to be charged with murder
Still am .
You would too after being all I'm still be threatening and the new patty cambell Hearst to this day .
So refreshing to see the so-called "liberal" public TV news media be so... fair and balanced. -.-
Am proud to be the first non-loony to post here. Great book, great bloke, great event.
Good, we need more of those.
How about the wild saga of Toobin. Zoom call exposed.
I'm over it and moved on.
Interviewer is terrible!!
It still is and they don't want me too
That's true to this day
This is interesting, but I don't like that they keep finding humor in a situation where multiple innocent people were killed. I'll have to look at the book and see what (if anything) it has to say about DiFreeze having issues with schizophrenia and a finding (by a private detective) that he had ties to the police (as an "agent provocateur") and the CIA. That, to me, has a lot of implications on who the SLA really was. I imagine it was complicated, but DiFreeze--and his motivations--is a big part of this.
RIGHT I agree. I hate that the host of the event (the interviewer) is trying so hard to be witty and make jokes. He's a distraction.
The judge was prejudice. If the jury had acquitted her he would have declared a mistrial
Patty Hearst never took responsibilty for he own shameful actions.
"Rosebud!!"
Ronald Regan was right you can't bargain even for me
1992 was 30 years ago
They forced me to say whatever they said or else .
More?
That's true
If Hearst really had been “Black and poor,” she would never have seen the light of day.
She probably wouldn’t have been kidnapped to begin with if she was poor
If she had been poor she would never have been kidnapped in the first place
Hes wrong. A pardon doesn't overturn a conviction.
the judge is like most theyscrew over the defense.
Her judge was prejudice
At robert Shanley
Mr. Toobin is 100% correct. After watching the CNN program on "Tania" and her friends in the SLA, my thoughts on her abduction and following events have completely changed. William Harris made it quite clear that Patty knew what she was doing and received a slap on the wrist for her crimes....as did the other surviving members.
Toobin is a jerk and Patty is a narc.neither can be believed or trusted
Keep in mind the SLA people have a vested interest having people think she wanted to be with them if she really wanted to be a rebel she didn’t have to be kidnapped and raped to do it
You believe the word of a kidnapper, torturer and rapist over hid victim?? Man you must be a special kind of stupid 😊
It's nice not to hear "soooo, ummm, yeah, yaaah, like, ya' know, I mean, clearly, awesome, stunning, super ".
Housing maybe instead of homelessness
_"It's not simple to work out what her true motivations were."_
Haha, it's as clear as day! She was a bored rich kid looking for an adventure beyond the usual skiing trip. End of.
True
There were lots of groups to join she didn’t have to get kidnapped for adventure and rebellion
Patty is a victim
Chris Stark not if she was black....correct???
@@kekojones8055 Race has nothing to do with this but WEALTH does.
Patty was both a victim and a criminal. It was the perfect mix of mass insanity in the '70's, youth, rebellious, equal fear of her captures and the fear of those tasked to rescue her, and incompetence of the SLA, the FBI, the SFPD, and the LAPD, that led to what we got.
@@johngoldsmith9752 *'70s
That audience seems to think what these people did was funny, people lost their lives.
She thought she was going to be shot on sight
The 70’s were 2.0 of the 60’s
*'70s *'60s
That's you
I tuned in to hear Jeffery Toobin speak about his book.Jeffery battled to get a word in.The guy doing the interview thought he was the star.Worst host of an interview I have ever seen.
3 months I'm still being used
Glad they didn't ZOOM in on Jeffrey below the waist.
What a profound comment.
excellent book
And the lawyers are no good son
Anyone else would have stayed in jail! Money talks and let’s you walk
I’d rather listen to the SLA spokesperson than either of these people.
And they all were in Whittier Rio hondo academy I have the picture
hey this guy takes the piss,but they was actually badder than my kindergarten school gang,,and we stole biscuits
Ha ha ha ha
Like the archvilliains from the Freak Bros. comic books;
"We steal cars"
There's a smugness here in the presentation - okay - I get why - but don't underestimate the ideas of struggle against a system that will always feel somewhat alien to the sensibilities of human beings who care deeply about the 99%. Because it hasn't ended, and it won't end as long as there are reasons for it to exist. I'm waiting for the Lord to execute judgement though.
They forced me
Because they were corrupt like peppermint the movie
Randy Duncan Hearst OK
True in can with drugs and abuse I know I'm patty cambell Hearst
The Hoovers hush money the families saying golf courses
I've been hostage all her life
He's making money
Why should she talk to this dork? Hes slandering her
She was in shocked and drugged even In jail
I remember my gun Jamed her head was drug
The ulegy tape was scripted it was bogus
Vietnam vets
The pardon didn't overturn her conviction. It needs to be overturned
Thanks Bill Clinton but I'm not free
That's not the real Patty Hearst
Are you? If so why the alias
ATWA
Trader
This “author” is a stooge.
Your not hearst media or CBS paley your competitors so your wrong
Hoax.
Making money on his ignorance of my life OK
1111
Toobin is a weiner wannabe.
Good ole' lubein Toobin