2020 Il Lombardia
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Il Lombardia is next up in the shuffled Classics season. The peloton battled heat, steep narrow climbs and a grueling descent. The guys break down a first time win for the Danish, a terrifying crash and who is showing form as this season turns towards the Tour de France. Lance opens today's episode with his thoughts about the relationship between Mellow Johnny's and the Austin Police Department.
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1st 10 mins is some of the best content I’ve heard in a longtime..
well done Lance..
Awesome to hear someone calling for more conversation; the more we sit down and talk calmly face to face, the more we see how much we have in common. Everyone wants things to be better, thank you for speaking up
Lance thanks for taking time out of your podcast to briefly talk about Police relations in today’s America. I think you are absolutely right that no one is talking to each other. That’s the biggest issue. I love The show!!
Lance and crew, welcome to the world of World class triathletes! They’ve been on shorter cranks for 7 years or so (at least) ! As a bike fitter, I’ve shortened cranks on roadies bike’s with great results. Just like the aero helmet and tri bars, triathletes are setting a new trend in road cycling!
Jake Brindle Do you tend to move short road cyclists to short cranks?
mabatz not necessarily. It’s about getting (and keeping) the hip flexors open. There are heaps of 6’ + athletes on anything from 170 to 160mm cranks.
mabatz Unfortunately, the bike industry still has a “set” length of cranks based on frame size. When I fit women (especially for tri bikes) I almost always find they can produce more power and shorter cranks than what the bike came with.
Jake Brindle I’m 5’4” and switched to 155mm cranks two years ago and immediately started riding faster. Fortunately, Rotor makes short cranks and they’re committed to continue making them.
@@mabatz John Cobb makes them also!
Change in life is never easy but necessary sometimes...Lance is right we need to start talking...both sides talking to each other about what and how to change...if everybody keeps sitting up in their chairs and preaching we will not progress...trust me if it continues in 6 months the emotion will wane and we will be more weary and more filled with bitterness but ultimately moving backwards...I hope I am wrong and we move closer as the greatest nation on earth...I ain't religious but God Bless America...and yeah great work team WEDU
Maybe some folks need to learn to stay clean. Floyd was on some potent dope, and was crying about not being able to breathe the moment the police started interacting. Now, the policeman shouldn’t have put a knee on him, but the primary causes of Floyd’s death was dope and stupidity. The cop, maybe 10%. There are groups just seeking to get acceptance of behavior that is unacceptable. Mostly, it is a bunch of BS.
@@Epitome63 Eventually we will learn the truth, much like we learned that "hands up don't shoot" was a lie...that Floyd was basically Dying from a OD...from the moment the cops stopped him...once again...msm has LIED to America.
Mickel Kobeck you guys are wrong and awful. Cops murdered that man, ON VIDEO. WTF
@@LIamaLlama554 NOPE...FU btw
@@LIamaLlama554 Dude was fucked up on dope. You do that dope at his age and the ticker is prone to stopping. Cops didn’t help, but all he had to do was 1) not do dope, 2) not try to pass a fake bill, and 3) not resist arrest. Not doing any one of those 3 acts, his dumbass would be here to shoot up another day. You did read the autopsy report? He had track marks all over his hands, meth, fentanyl, etc. Yet he was a great man. Lower the bar.
As a retired police officer and 9/11 first responder now living in san antonio I will never forget the loss of 15 of my friends and co-workers on that terrible day. I continue to lose friends to horrible sickness related to their service to this day. I have always enjoyed Lance's shop in Austin, I never passed an opportunity to visit whenever i'm in town. It's heartbreaking to hear that I am no longer welcome in the shop but I understand everyone has a right to their opinion. I support the first amendment as the most precious right that all people possess. I am hopeful that the employees will think better of us someday and that we can come back for a great cup of coffee and superb service for our cycling needs.
definately controlled demoltion :(
Hey Brother Officer, I too, am Retired Police in the great state of New Jersey! If a business does not welcome the Police, then to Hell with them! I'm proud of you! The Police represent the best and bravest of all of us! 👮 ♱ ❤️ 🇺🇸
@@Elvis68spec unfortunately most dont represent the people. :( or all people
On the other hand, it sure is good for anyone wanting to steal some high-end bikes in Austin
Thank you so much for your comments about the police etc.
tip top coverage as usual guys..... keep up the good work.
I’m really surprised that Johan doesn’t know why short cranks are used for time trialing. It opens up the hip angle when in an aggressive aero position which enables the rider to apply power sooner and more effectively in the pedal stroke. They’re also useful for short riders for the same reason and to optimize their bike fit.
LA has never been a tech or mech guy, and that's ok, at least with me.
Yep, and it helps with high cadence and sprinting.
@SEAL CYCLE For sure, regardless the research is showing it helps with better cadence flow.
So Lance let his bike shop make the final decision? I respect the attempt to listen to both sides.
It's his shop. He could have actually been the owner & leader. It's chicken sh!t if you ask me
Look guys, you are making Lance’s point...EVERYONE is spouting off their mouths here, and no one listening. He’s an ABSENTEE owner...at some point he has to let the on site management make their decisions. He could mandate a decision, but if the ENTIRE staff is unhappy with that decision, that is not good for the health of the organization.
@@markganzer There are some decisions of sufficient magnitude that an owner needs to be involved. If I were an absentee owner, and an employee made this decision, his ass would be gone in 2 seconds.
I call this total BS, Lance knew what was going on and he went along with it because he's too much of a P to stand up and say this is wrong we need to back the people that protect our families. This lame attempt to bring both sides together as if it's the Austin's Police department's fault of what happened to George Floyd and that every the police department is responsible.
Bravo guys 👏👏👏👏. Good 4 us all!! Keep it up!
Finally! Lance speaks his mind. Refreshing to hear him be blunt and head on.
He was fairly blunt when he was lying, cheating and ruining people's lives and careers too.
tunafish : yawn.......
Lance speaking absolute facts these first 10 minutes, very enlightening and transparent on how he made this decision. Real leadership on your part Lance, hats off.
Absolutely magnificent show, thank you everyone for your opinions and knowledge it really hypes your up for the Tour. John
One of the best shows ever
Apparently Ineos included the Dauphine as the end of a large training block over the past few weeks so that could explain why they are under-performing. They have shown in the past they are masters at timing peak performances from their riders for the Tour so there is no point in too much speculation.
It is a stark contrast however with how impressive team Jumbo is riding.
Defunding the police does not mean getting rid of the police. It means not having the police be mental health workers or addiction counselors and redirecting the funds that pay them to do that to people who are better trained to fill those roles. It allows the police to focus on the original, core duties. (I enjoy watching the show - keep up the good work.)
Finally a comment here that gets it. Thank you for explaining it. I'm not surprised Lance has taken the position he has (especially knowing that he's now a sworn officer in Pitkin county?) but the issue is way more nuanced than it's being credit for here.
Hunter S Thompson ran for Sheriff of Pitkin Co on a platform including renaming Aspen “Fat City”.
One of my favorite memories of the move 2018 was lance saying Primoz Roglic.
George Bennett said LJVisma had a big team briefing about this very bridge that Evenepoel went over as many riders have injured themselves on it over the years. They made all the riders super aware that they had to be super careful on it and give it upmost respect as no room for error.
Thank you Lance!
i appreciate the dialogue as well as the race analysis...
About the 165mm makes sense though. As riders use higher cadence, lever doesn't matter much, especially for climbs. And shorter cranks make positioning the saddle and handlebars much easier, as the top of the stroke, the knee angle isn't as overextended - maybe more power is possible too that way. Most important change I will make with my next bike.
EXCELLENT INFO GLAD YOU 'ALL POSTED TO
RUclips THANKS LANCE, JOHAN,GOERGE AND JB
I love this programme.
Fulgsang looked very strong just 2 weeks ago at Strade Bianche where he was in the last selection and attacked a little too early and couldn't finish it off for the win. So good to see with a big win as he's been riding great the past couple years.
You were correct first time Johan 😉, its definitely levers (LEE-VERs) - another good discussion
Nice preview show for the 2021 Olympics
Great show guys!
It was Wout van Aert who told him to get on the bike again. Wout did say he looked dizzy, but he cleared up with time.
I own two businesses. We give police officers half price on what we sell. If my employees protested and told me they no longer wanted that to continue, I would tell them too bad. It’s my store. Build your own store and make your own decisions. If anyone doesn’t like it, the door is right over there.
great way to run a business. the owner of where i work actually listens to his employees and takes their opinion seriously. if our entire shop didn't feel comfortable even serving cops, he would be ok with that whether he agrees with it or not. you sound like you should treat your employees better bud.
Jesse Compton I treat the people I work with very well. I have people that have been with me for over a decade. Almost unheard of in the industry I work in. There are certain things I would not compromise on though. One of them is my policy toward police offers and fire fighters. It’s my business and there are certain decisions I make on my own.
And I would close my businesses before I ever agreed not to serve the people that protect us.
Jesse Compton One last thing, if I lived in the Austin area, I would cease doing business with the ,
Mello Johnny bike shop. If the bike shop you work for decided to not serve the police, I would try to convince as many customers of yours to do business elsewhere.
Bootlicker.
I think falling onto the valley slope as oppose to flat ground might of helped lessen the severe impact and roll a bit cause his injuries could've been way worse..
Evanopoel is out of the Giro. We wish him best recovery.
When speaking of something amiss at Team Ineos, I was surprised that there was no mention of the loss of their Sports Director Nicolas Portal earlier this year. I would have enjoyed listening to your comments, especially Johan's thoughts on the importance of such a critical dynamic to team racing. Or is it?
you think maybe he was the dealer?
Great, great show!
Remco has a broken pelvis, which means he's not peddling for a month at least, I don't know how he's gonna recover to the same level for the Giro.
Also that is a sketchy bridge, as the road becomes thinner around the bend and the bridge walls start out wider then squeeze in a couple ft. What looks like a 90 degree turn onto a bridge becomes a 110 degree turn. The organisers can take some responsibility and put some signage/padding/tape or something as a warning.
In the cycling news today he said he knew the route and the bridge but as he made the turn his front wheel hit a pebble in the road.
Strange not to talk about the winner of the race in more detail, especially when he wins so dominantly?
Well said about the police. My training route loops around Cypress Hills Park and East New York. 5 people shot dead on this route in the last month. Why exactly are people leaving NYC again?
De-funding police its completely wrong.
You should do exactly the opposite.
"Invest more resources in training the Police"
20% to 30% of their time should be used only for training purposes.
And not only on how to use a gun but situation awareness/management training as well.
25:00 Huh, what are you saying? A bigger chainring in the front makes the jumps at the back bigger.
cerocerocinco Exactly what I was thinking. The bigger chain ring is more efficient with chain friction, though.
Not necessairly. If you run a 54 vs 53 or 52 and then run a 14/15/16 in the rear, the jumps from 14-15 are smaller than a 12-13 that you would need with a 53 or 52.
M. Cambron
But that’s not what they said...
And besides that, those aren’t even equivalent ratios.
I typically rent a trek road bike from Mellow Johnnys when I'm in austin for the tour das hugel. I'll be renting from Bicycle Sports Shop from now on.
LOL.
Thank you gentlemen. Ride to the level of your smile.
25:00 Shorter cranks are sometimes so that the hip angle is less on the up stroke and allows for a lower torso because the thigh does not hit the stomach. More level back and therefore lower and more aero position. Leverage is not a factor, as studies have shown. You just change to an easier gear and the leverage is equal to a longer crank. If having a larger crank gave more leverage and some kind of advantage, we would all be riding super long cranks. In fact, it just does really not matter much with the studies that have been done, so why not get the aero advantages.
yes because 2,5mm allows you to breathe better
The movement toward shorter crank started from the tri. A lot of ppl use 160 or 165 to achieve faster rpm and higher saddle.
Well put Lance, I hear you on that. Glad to hear you stand against violence, but also while understanding that not all police officers are bad. Sending you good vibes, we will all get through these trying times soon.
Fuglsang wristbands are Compresssport 3D.DOT Sweatbands. If you keep them wet they increase cooling via evaporation.
Do you find they work well?
I've never used them, just worked out who makes them. From what I can tell they increase surface area but then the evaporation is from the fabric not your skin, so not convinced they work other than when the cold water is sprayed on them.
Sam Hocking, thanks for working out who makes them. I’ll give them a try.
The growth of cycling over the past 20 years is phenomenal. But, there ars issues. Riders getting stronger, bikes getting faster, more riders competing for top 5 finishes. More desperation means taking more risks. Open road racing may be fundamentally changed in the next few years.
This is comparable to sportscar racing in the 50s. New tech from WW2 made the cars much faster and reliable. One can watch Brian Redman prerunning the millemiglia in 1955. It's nuts. This led to the ban on open road sports car racing.
The short cranks are a bike fit / comfort thing. It allows you to open the hip angle at the top of the stroke. Also, 165 is short but it's not uncommon to see 160 or 155s as well. All the studies have shown that it has no effect on power production except in the cases where they solve a fit issue such as a too closed hip angle. This mostly only applies to time trialing. I don't think there's anything to be gained for a normal road position.
Great show as usual.
The brake levers positioned outward actually does make sense ergonomically, because it's closer to a flat bar brake lever. Moto or mtb style. If you're going to spend the majority of the time in the hoods or the top of the bars then it makes sense in the hand wrist positioning.
one of the best edition ever! when you can't wait for the other guy to finish talking...
I think Ineos is more interested in seeing the firepower of the other top teams so they can better pick them apart at the Tdf
40:50. “Asses to Elbows.” T-Shirt. -U10
Was it Pantani who rode with 180-185mm cranks? The crank length topic is interesting.
RockShox was founded by Paul Turner.
Awesome podcast as always guys : )
This is consistently an interesting and information packed podcast. I do not agree with Mellow Johnnie's decesion to no longer work with Austin PD. But, I appreciate the maturity involved in trying to resolve this matter.
I don't get it. How can they not work with the PD. If someone high on crack starts waving a gun around across the street, who are they gonna call?
Johan can see someone on the side of the road from a race in 92 and would probably know who they were. Lol
Johan looks a lot better. Really glad for him.
I like George Bennett a lot, such a spectacular climber, but I don't deem him as clear favorite in the Giro with a total of 65km of individual time trial.
I'm Trying to picture Lance "poor" when he had his money handled by Weisel.
Class conviration ✌
11 years ago I sustained a serious concussion. To everyone around me I seemed fine but I didn't have any short term memory and had no idea of what was going on around me. He absolutely HAS to go to a neurologist that treats concussions. I was literally weeks from dying when my cop friend took me to a professor of neurology at Stanford He took a couple of months to get my medication correct and then suddenly it was like I woke up. If you don't think that is scary!
Ineos is also missing Nico
I love you guys and your show so much..Lance, George do you remember the Longsjo Classic 1987? Fitchburg,MA..Mt. Wachusset? I raced for Bud Light..along side the McCormack brothers.. Let me know if you remember please. Also, you barely covered the Tour of Lombardy today...lol. Live you guys!
87 or 97?
Anyone find out what Fuglsang’s wristbands were?
Bennet is actually riding the Tour de France not the giro as suggested by Johan and George
Roglic had the bad crash in the Giro last year and after the Giro they said most riders would have dropped out with those injuries!
“I’m a sworn-in deputy sheriff” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What do you think about a team having multiple leaders.
Fulgsangs Giro / OL, WC, Classics campaign was planned before xmas when he extended his contract. TDF has been brutal to him despite he has been up there in Dauphine/TDS every year since his neo pro debut in 2009. TDF is probably in his head. His refocus on one day races and hilly 1 week stage races since the 2016 olympics has shown that grand tour GC is not his main competence and the expectations for him to succeed in the TDF is just too big.
Original plan after Ruta del sol was:
Strade Bianche (main goal)
Tirreno
Amstel
Fleche
Liege (main Goal)
Giro GC (because Vino insists and has had a manncrush on Fuglsang since the first contract and used to threaten Nibali with Fuglsang every time he underperformed - it worked)
TDF in semi-support for Lopez / OL training & early abandonment.
Olympics (main goal)
Poland
Worlds (main goal)
Torino
Emilia
Lombardia (main Goal).
Basically plan was a shift towards 1 day races and to ride every stage race day as a 1-day race for the win which is about time.
I hope he will be allowed to race Roubaix and Flanders before he retires - he has all the tools needed to win them and he has finally figured out that he will never ever win a 2 man sprint.
Remember Roubaix stage 2014 where he dragged Nibali to the line and set him up for the GC win instead of riding for the stage win with Boom - and he still came in 2nd minutes before Sagan, Cancellara etc?
So Lance when you watched your show did you say " This fuck'n guy" 🤣🤣🤣🐐❤️
Very Good Point at 25:00 Thanks Lance
Thanks for that Lance! 💯
If Lance could stop formulating incoherent half sentences, that would be great. "The Tour of Lombardia, the Giro di Lombardia, 143 miles, 231 kilometers, in the northern part of, BY THE WAY THAT IS, the the northern part of Italy is is Lombardia, that's the region, I am joined as always by ... and I watched the show last week..blabla top left " Come on man.
#BackTheBlue Lance. Do the right thing!
Please, give the place of JB , the journalist to Michele Ferrari in the next Tour
its too fast when you crash, you just realize after
You quite the Tour of Ireland on the last day. You & Cav. The two guys the organisers sold the whole race on. You rode into Cork and bailed. It was wet but 1000's were getting wet just waiting to see you & Cav.
anyone thinking Pinot for tdf win???
The majority of police are not bad. As with any group, there are bad apples everywhere. Well said Lance!!! Sitting down to talk about problems is far better than terrorizing people to make them listen to you.
You can cool yourself pretty quickly with an ice cube on the veins in your wrist. Learned it from my Grandmother who did it all the time.
While I do not want this show to become political, I do strongly concur with you're initial comments. Nonetheless, please do not deviate from the original format! Stay apolitical!
Remco will be back !
Lance, thanks for taking on the hard issue of the police and blacks. One question, who does a black man call if they need the police?
At Mellow Johnny's, the inmates run the asylum.
The inmates are at ground zero and have the pulse of their costumers. Unlike you and for that matter also Lance.
@@krishoffman3444 If by 'ground zero,' you mean the smoldering remains of this toxic, self-destructive effort to wage war with the police, you are correct
@@grant2166 no that's not what im saying. What are the dynamics going on in the shop between the employees and the customers? I don't know and you don't know. Lance is doing the right thing by talking to both sides before making a decision. And I'm saying the same thing before judging.
@@krishoffman3444 Fire the inmates. This is not complicated. There are plenty of people in Austin or elsewhere in Texas that would be glad to have their jobs, be grateful that they have the job and serve customers (whoever those customers are) and not bitch-and-moan like a bunch of princesses.
@@zoso73 Its not complicated siting at your computer that's for sure.
Lance, I stood by from 99 till right now. I'm burning my wedu hat. The white one with the off centered W. Fire your employees like you would cut teammates. Tell them to become cops and make a real change. Go spend a weekend in Chicago right now. You'll be begging for a cop.
BTW Lance I followed you back in 1998 and read your book it’s not about the bike, you inspired me so much, but man what a let down. Love your show though.
Fuglsang pronunciation tip:
The g is silent, should sound more like "Foolsang". And the "a" is an open a, close to an "ar" sound. Try with "Foolsarng"
Thanks Lance, can't throw out the baby with the bath water.
I like George H.!!!!!! =)
Greenville , S.C.!!!!=)
Team George!!!!
Bunch of pannekoek's! Talked about everything but what you set out too ie Il Lombardia or my boy George Bennett. Chur
dwight from THE OFFICE is a sworn in deputy, didnt know that was a thing. roglic is so accident prone, id like to see pinot win the tdf!!! anyone but ineos
Hay all... how are you watching these races? What sites? What T.V are thses dudes refering to?
Depends on where you live. Since 3 of 4 of these guys are definitely in USA (Johan might be too), in the US/Canada, can watch on FloBikes or FuboTV or NBC Cycling Pass. Other countries, who knows. Dauphine is on NBC Cycling Pass in USA and FloBikes in Canada and I think FuboTV too. None are free.
Criterium was a lot more fun!!! Humble opinion
I'm not sure "playing Possum" & "Training" are two different things
So either your partner in the shop or the inmates made the decision? Come on man, the public associates the shop with you, Lance Armstrong. If you are against it, step up. If not, I can respect that as well it’s your business.
I'm sure Bobby j is rockin a AOL kit😂😂
Totally correct. Until both groups can talk quietly and rationally to each other and lay off the false courage inducing social media, we go backwards as a country. Rock hard positions and purity tests are symptoms of weakness.
Lance, you left the issue hang, after you made the point that one bad policeman doesn’t mean all are bad.
So am I to assume Mellow Johnny’s went ahead to fulfill the police contract? If not, after the transparent discussion, why not? And you know that if you let the shop employees make the decision and that decision stands, then you clearly are making a political statement which in my opinion is the wrong one, which will have a negative effect on Austin and your viewership. You need to get this right.
Watch out Dumoulin.
That's the guy to beat, if he stays fit.
Why it doesnt have more views?
Cos we're watching the Dauphine