Review and upgrades for Peace Offering / Bloomburrow Commander Precon deck / Magic: The Gathering
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- This is a review and upgrade guide for the Bloomburrow commander precon 'Peace Offering'. I also cover some key strategies for piloting a group hug deck.
Spoiler: It's a solid HOP. 24 CARROT gold.
Upgraded Deck list (swaps out in the Sideboard, other cards considered for upgrade in Maybeboard):
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This was super helpful! I’m a seasoned commander player but haven’t had much experience piloting group hug style decks. Your advice to manage just one resource to share with your opponents I think is really going to help with my plan for upgrades. Keep up the great work!
Many thanks! It's such an interesting archetype to pilot but so tricky to do well, which I think is a plus - it's a very unique experience and quite fulfilling! Happy to have helped.
I always love the way you think, and make some upgrades or point of view on decks. It talk to me a lot. I made some after your suggestions and i'm honestly very happy with it. Please keep up like this and thank u so much for your work !
@@blandine7859 thank you, that's so great to hear.
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As do you, good commenter 😊
I would personally not advise anybody to remove the scry lands from the deck. Being able to scry, especially in the early game, can be used to help make sure you draw into something helpful. Even more so in EDH considering it is a singleton format. Scry and Surveil are both very powerful abilities in both Singleton and constructed formats.
I'd also take Curse of Verbosity out and run Kros, Defense contractor. Mrs. Bumbleflower and Forgotten Ancient both allow you to distribute counters onto opponents creatures extremely easily. Being able to both tap and permanently goad creatures opponents control protects your life total and planeswalkers, but it also actively harms your opponents board states and life totals.
Unless your opponent creates a ton of tokens, Forgotten Ancient will keep up, if not exceed the number of counters you need to put one on each creature opponents control. Kros both tapping them and forcing them to attack on your opponents turn gives you time to buff your own Bumbleflower and swing for lethal commander damage if they still have enough life by that point to do so.
Peace offering, in my opinion, is far and away the best Preconstructed deck out of the Bloomburrow decks, and is arguably better than All of the Modern Horizons 3 decks. Either it or Explorers of the Deep from Ikoria are in the running for best Preconstructed Deck of the year.
Some single card suggestions for Peace Offering:
KARN'S BASTION
Kros is a fantastic suggestion. I'm interested - when you say Peace Offering is better than all of the MH3 decks, do you mean in terms of mechanical originality or 'power', or something else? I'd agree in terms of originality and 'sparks joy' - such an exciting direction for precons to embrace a range of archetypes. However, in terms of power, which is a separate thing, Creative Energy, is incredibly strong and in my opinion of playing and owning both, beats the Bunny down! Love to hear your thoughts.
@@mtgspecs Peace Offering creates so much passive value through its commander and cards like Forgotten ancient and the Hydra that gets +1/+1 whenever opponents cast a spell. It ramps multiple creatures on your board very quickly and makes it hard for targeted removal to slow your board State, has counterspells out of the box, and damage protection instants that allow it to accrue value while protecting your own stuff.
It also really only has only like four dead cards in the deck that I would consider just useless out of the box.
Creative energy has a bunch of solid cards in it. Aurora Shifter is arguably the MVP of returned value on energy spent. I have an energy deck that uses a ton of cards from it, but it doesn't accrue enough energy out of the box for it to be viable and has a ton of cards that are either too expensive to further the game plan, or just don't at all.
Goldspan Dragon? Amazing card. No idea why it's in the precon. Burnished Heart? It's an expensive option for two lands. It's an artifact, but the deck as is doesn't really care too much about artifacts in its stock iteration.
Filigree Racer? Aether storm Roc? Both provide energy, but I have never seen a soul crew Filigree. Aetherstorm Roc is too expensive for a 3/3, even with a passive generation effect when there are better options such as Guide of Souls which does the same thing, but for one Mana & it provides life on top of it.
Grenzo & Myr Battlesphere, same thing. They don't really advance the deck's theme of energy. If you actually want to play the deck as an energy deck, there are so many cards that need to be replaced because as it is, you're never going to make enough energy to activate Aethersquall if you need it, or to unearth Salvation Colossus from your graveyard.
There are good energy cards that the deck just can't take advantage of as is. It doesn't generate enough energy when you actually want to take advantage of those effects, and a lot of the cards that generate energy when played, use energy for an advantage in board state, or passively generate energy like Madison Li, Scurry of Gremlins, Automated Assembly Line, Helios ONE, Amped Raptor, Roil Cartographer, Jolted Awake, Aether Revolt, or Tune the Narrative, are either in the Fallout Science! Precon, or Modern Horizons 3 Proper.
If you have any suggestions on how to pilot the deck as-is out of the box. I'm all ears. In my experience though it's just unable to generate value as it has next to no card draw, ability to buff your creatures, or interaction to either hinder an opponent or protect yourself. It's a very hard deck to come back from if you play your hand due to it almost exclusively relying on drawing one card per turn during your beginning step.
Update
My final upgrade package improved defense capabilities, like adding flare of denial. I still kept out the board wipes, because I don't really think group hug decks belong having them. You generally want people to not attack you. Boardwiping does exact opposite
I also added archetype of endurance for absolute hexproofing. The problem with the boots and any artifact that generally gives you such an ability is that they are always weak against targeted removal. The archetype of endurance solves that it problem. The only downside is the mana cost.
I swapped out the covered in jewel with the gilded lotus. Basically for the same reason I removed the board wipes. The last thing I want is attention drawn to me by such a means. It's basically like the monarchy being on the field. I don't want that stuff near me with a 10-ft pole.
I feel that the deck gives you ample time to get Archetype onto the board, control is the great equaliser. I'm a fan of one card effecting more than one thing.
Thanks for the updates. The deck is on the part of my shelf where I put decks that need attention so. It's helping me out.
@@mtgspecs I hate artifacts and enchantments that give hex proof. Because, ordinarily you really can't do anything about them being removed. That's it. But the archetype of endurance affects every single creature. Throwing something like shalai who gives you and planeswalkers hexproof and you have something really awesome.
Additionally, I added a chromatic lantern and ashaya, soul of the wild. Turning every creature I have into Amana rock. I am a huge fan of this strategy. Also got mana reflection in there. I am going to be producing asinine levels of mana. Believe me, if I had the room? I would have added everflowing chalice. 🤣
@@mtgspecs but honestly? If you are going to use artifacts I give you hex proof? Just use the mirror shield instead, it is far superior to the swift foot boots. It gives you protection against death touch.
The problem with giving everything hexproof is that a board wipe will take care of it. But the way I figured, if your stuff isn't too threatening? You probably will be fine.
Great card suggestions; I hadn’t thought of Galadriel! I’ll be picking up 17 singles from the deck and mainly building it from scratch with cheap instant removal, creatures that tap to put lands into play as “ramp” to not overfill a hand, flash creatures like Alms Collector, Tidal Barracuda and Heliod The Radiant Dawn’s other side. I will only have Ms Bumbleflower as a source of giving people card draw, since I don’t want to reward archenemies with unconditional card draw. Damning Verdict and Wave goodbye feel like great board control cards to that fit with the deck caring about counters.
I have an urge to build her from scratch using the crime mechanic. Bunny mob boss vibes. Tidal Barracuda is an excellent shout. Glad you liked the Galadriel suggestion, she is pricey but just the 'uumpth' the game plan needed.
Great video! I counted 15 cards to add but only 12 to remove, which other three did you cut? Thanks!
Thank you! The cards I removed are in the sideboard of the deck list, although that only shows 14 - the original deck had 38 lands and my list has 37 so it'll be one of those! Good spot!
@@mtgspecs Thanks again :) excited to try out the deck!!
The thing to keep in mind about peace offering is that it wasn't designed with the usual strategies of group hug in mind. You are basically group hugging to further your own goals, not just help everyone else.
The toxic squirrel adds a fourth win condition, if you add innkeepers talent.
Add in doubling season or perhaps something like branching evolution and hardened scales? Primal vigor would also go great in this deck.
I replaced the coveted jewel. In my opinion, it puts you in as much risk as the monarchy. So, you pretty much just want to avoid utilizing that as much as possible. Especially if you were going to utilize group hug. I also took out the board wipes. Because, the last thing you want is to be considered the threat as a group hug player. Even one with the intention furthering their own goals
Yeah, I'd never go into a game where I would be exclusively want to help others, gotta have some winning strategy. Even my weaker builds (I have one built around skeleton and skull art) have a plan. Same with group hug. It's the deal making for me - I'll scratch your back sorta stuff.
Bang on about the doubling stuff.
A card that's getting a lot of attention because of this is 'On the trail' from Deep Clue Sea and ramps you as you draw a second card.
Thanks for your thoughts, I'm piloting this with my upgrades tomorrow at my LGS.
@@mtgspecs same. I can't wait to bring out hugs Bunny.
I made sure to eliminate all board wipes, because nothing makes you more of a threat than a board wipe.
I did add in tithe taker the period and it works so well with baird
@@unanon_user hugs bunny is amazing!
I found my copy of Psychic Possession early. Can't wait to draw when they draw. I should put Wedding Ring in also.
@@mtgspecs I threw in Nadir kraken too.,. And manor reflection. 🤣
@@unanon_user Nadir! I love that card. I have that card. Swaps to be made again!
Enjoyable video
Many thanks!
Communal Brewing gives 4 counters. You put a counter, then another counter for each opponent who drew. 1+X
It does indeed; another commenter brought me up to speed. Insane card becomes more insane (if you read it correctly!). Cheers for the correction.
Dont tempt me! Aaah
DO IT ha ha
2:57 they would enter with 4 1/1 counters. with doubling season this card would be insane
Jeez, you are so right. That card is insane. Good spot!
Doing better and just add innkeepers talent instead combined with primal vigor. Primal vigor is cheaper
3:05 want to remind you guys for the ingredient counters it’s 1+x for a max of 4
Yeah, I missed that fourth counter. Such a powerful card.
Additionally if for some reason an enchantment on the board gives you an additional card draw- that adds an additional counter for a potential of 7 ingredient counters on it
love the adjustments to the deck, one of the only things i have a question about is keeping baird.. isnt windborn muse just better than baird? since it taxes 2 instead of one for the same mana cost with only one white needed?
Yeah, that's a great shout actually. I think I was steering away from it because I put it in so many decks 😅. I also like Silent Arbiter and Crawlspace.
In my opinion, I would rather put in propaganda. But the reason I don't really like to use stuff like this is that people will save up the man if they want to get rid of your stuff bad enough. So, I'd rather make the investment in better hex proofing.
Eh, the concept of trying to win with grouphug is so bizarre to me. I play my group hug decks to only help others and maybe come in second(maybe).
@@patricklukcy13 I love that attitude! I have a few decks that aren't designed to win for various reasons. I dont often tell other players as I would want to rob them of their victory? Group hug would work well in the assassin variant of commander where two players have to guard another from other players.
Keeping giving out those cards, good commenter!
Will you do a Video for the Animated Army?
I will indeed. Played that deck today actually in preparation.
Link isn’t working for me, but I love the deck
It was on private - should work now 😊
Im new and just bought this deck and i want to know if cards like doubling season and branching evolution would be good in this deck ?
Hey, welcome to the game! Short answer - yes, more is more is fun and both of those cards can lead to a story of how you won with a 40 power creature! Longer answer - maybe. Out of the box, the counter theme is fairly unsupported and 'eggs in one basket' so taking a turn to cast either of those spells is putting you behind in an archetype that already puts you behind. With my upgrade suggestions, I can see a place for them and would take out the two advocate cards I suggested to fit them in. Doubling Season is super expensive - Primal Vigor (the Enchanting Tales version) is way cheaper and has fringe benefits in this deck - it effects everyone so you'd give someone two octopi with the Octomancer, an extra treasure with the Bloodroot Apothecary that they shouldn't crack etc. You made a good choice with this deck - steep learning curve but will grow with you over time. Enjoy!
As someone who has used those kind of cards before and added them into this deck? If you are going to only deal with counters that make your creature stompy, go with primal vigor instead of doubling season. Then, slot in innkeepers talent. Doubling season is usually very expensive.
1000000% garbage Flop
Just say you’re broke