10-8 Performance Lab, Episode 89: Springfield Armory Prodigy 4.25” 1000 Round Update

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @TheAmerican1963
    @TheAmerican1963 10 месяцев назад +4

    I bought my 4.25 in December of '23 ....... It was made in May of '23. My bud bought his in early '22 and when I compared mine to his 4.25, you could see that the safety not only fit better when engaged, but had no "over travel" at all. Other aspects of the weapons over all fit and finish was better than the early versions. The mags I got compared to his were different, also. They resembled the Staccato's feed lips and were different, though ever so slightly, than my bud's. I have about 700 rounds through it so far and not one hiccup. I added a light, extended slide lock and a Cyelee "Wolf X Pro. I couldn't be happier. Thank you for the work you put in on the vid's. 🙂

  • @bhoover14
    @bhoover14 Год назад +12

    Great video. Love this quote: “It’s not the 90s anymore, so cut it out.” ❤️😁

  • @bsmithhammer
    @bsmithhammer Год назад +4

    Thanks for these updates, Hilton. Other than installing your spring guide and spring plug in my Prodigy 4.25" I have done nothing else to it and it continues to run great. I feel somewhat compelled to put that out there, since the complaints always seem to be a lot louder than the positive experiences, yet I think there are a lot more positive experiences with the Prodigy than internet chats and forums might imply.

  • @helodriver20
    @helodriver20 Год назад +1

    The Patreon is one of the best on the Internet. Highly recommended at the 19.11 tier. ⚔️❤️🇺🇸

  • @RickheadWashington
    @RickheadWashington Год назад +2

    My prodigy 4.25" has been wonderful. Did a trigger job with an atlas short flat. Reduced the recoil spring by 2 pounds. Trigger had 3.5 pound from the factory. Took it to 2.5 lbs. Bought some atlas mags. But all mags have ran great. I haven't had a single malfunction in my first 500 rounds. I'm impressed so far.

  • @sidanx7887
    @sidanx7887 Год назад

    Dude the land your on is beautiful- I think you have won

  • @joshrussell9008
    @joshrussell9008 Год назад +2

    Hilton,
    Excellent run-down on the 4.25. I am not a gunsmith, and fortunately, have not had issues with my Prodigy yet. No where near the number of rounds in that some put in. It's coming out of winter in Alaska, and I got my Prodigy in October. I have around 500 rounds in so far. Using factory mags, some of them are great, a couple of them have serious "rattle" and feed issues. I suspect those ones may be out of spec. I have always appreciated the quality of your advice on 1911 and Glock platforms. Been "following" you on your website since about 2005. Much respect. One last thing: it is "funny" how varied experiences can be with the same tool. I bought two last year that reviewed "poorly" in many circles, and they are both two of my three favorite EDC pieces. The Prodigy, and a CR920.

  • @jonathanmcmillion4148
    @jonathanmcmillion4148 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the good info on the Prodigy, Hilton.

  • @davidgeeman3254
    @davidgeeman3254 Год назад +2

    Great, honest review and info Hilton. 5K flawless rounds through mine after a trip back to Springfield. At 2500, I put an EGW ignition kit. Two reasons, one to see the difference, two to learn how to work on the 1911/2011 platform. Well worth the learning experience. My two complaints are the slide lock being hard to get at, especially with big paws and the two piece guide rod. As an owner of a Staccato P, their tool less guide rod setup is the marquis setup IMO. I don’t need to trade an Allen wrench for a staple or paper clip, so, I’m picking up a tool less GR kit and slide stop soon for mine. Otherwise, it’s a well broken in, great shooting platform that was my gateway to higher end/higher quality 2011s. Thanks for all your videos, very helpful and honest.

  • @hotrodglock
    @hotrodglock Год назад +3

    I
    Am
    Here
    For
    This

  • @kentmaher3864
    @kentmaher3864 Год назад +1

    awesome video most helpful with my 5 inch

  • @Elyonadonai
    @Elyonadonai Год назад +1

    Awesome, thank you for what you do

  • @ct2368
    @ct2368 Год назад +2

    About time you made another video. Thanks for what you do, love your products.

  • @4mrholsterco981
    @4mrholsterco981 Год назад +1

    I have a Springfield loaded parkerized model in .45acp. A lot more rounds through it than most will put through in their life. Got in new almost 7 years ago. The MIM parts work just fine, maybe if I need to rebuild the gun I will change them out. But you are right, done right MIM isn’t really a bad thing.

  • @Asianknifer56
    @Asianknifer56 Год назад +1

    Love your channel

  • @czjunky2045
    @czjunky2045 Год назад +2

    Always look forward to a new 10-8 video especially the technical variety

  • @roul3688
    @roul3688 Год назад +1

    I tried “tuning” one of the mags using the Dawson Precision kit. Cracked both feed lips. Still works for now. Springfield reamed out the chamber for me and my 4.25” has been flawless.

  • @BlazingGunner
    @BlazingGunner Год назад +1

    Great video thank you, I have the 5 inch Prodigy I just order the other day one of your spring plug and guide for it. I put a 10 pound recoil spring and a 17 pound main spring in the gun polished the disconnector that was dragging and polished the slide. Gun runs great no malfunctions so far about 800 rounds and the trigger pull is now 2 1/2 to 3 pounds from the original 5 1/2 pounds.

  • @shawnpappy1538
    @shawnpappy1538 Год назад +1

    I really like your explanations and analysis. Great video as usual.

  • @omarnichols7681
    @omarnichols7681 Год назад +1

    My 4.25 prodigy runs great no jams ftf fte nothing 1000 rds thru it so far I added a 13lb flat recoil spring and a 19lb mainspring very smooth shooter.

  • @SL10VIC84
    @SL10VIC84 Год назад +1

    Awesome content!

  • @warfumble
    @warfumble 10 месяцев назад

    Great information, thank you!

  • @k9rka489
    @k9rka489 Год назад +3

    My 4.25 is at the factory. Was only extracting about 40% of the time. I know they’ll take care of it and can’t wait to get it back. Especially now that I have the 19B plate for the 509.

    • @BloodySoup74
      @BloodySoup74 7 месяцев назад

      I imagine you got it back by now so how is it so far? I'm about to pull the trigger on this

    • @k9rka489
      @k9rka489 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@BloodySoup74 from the day I got it back it’s been running flawlessly. Several guys I work with have staccatos and I keep right up with them.

    • @BloodySoup74
      @BloodySoup74 7 месяцев назад

      @@k9rka489 That's awesome to hear! I'm new to the platform so I was thinking of doing a deep clean and hand cycle 1000 times to get the extra ceracoat off then hit it with new parts. It'll be a learning experience for sure.

    • @k9rka489
      @k9rka489 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@BloodySoup74I put a captured guide rod and trigger from Atlas in, as well as a gen1 staccato magwell. Nothing wrong with the stock parts, just the way I wanted to go. Everything else is stock. You’ll definitely want to handle cycle it to get the cerakote off the rails.

    • @BloodySoup74
      @BloodySoup74 7 месяцев назад

      @@k9rka489 That's cool. I'll be definitely doing that

  • @lovemyxs
    @lovemyxs Год назад +1

    Thanks

  • @AC-bl1rl
    @AC-bl1rl Год назад +2

    Awesome, keep it up! I'm looking at doing one of these. And your parts in my TRP are great

  • @TS-sc9lq
    @TS-sc9lq Год назад

    Dude your smart as hell. I’ve always been a Springfield customer and I’ve owned many variants with no issue. Can I just send you my prodigy for tuning?! 😂

  • @ColtDee
    @ColtDee 5 месяцев назад +1

    You know your onions and potatoe's

  • @jontest5718
    @jontest5718 Год назад

    This a great video for being so minimalistic. Thanks for sharing your experiences with the gun. I was surprised when the gentleman who bought my TRP Operator told me these were getting ironed out. I am now taking a second look, especially considering I cannot really justify grabbing at Staccato right now. Thank you.

  • @adoggred
    @adoggred Год назад +1

    My 5 inch prodigy had several issues. First was I couldn't run reman ammo through it at all. No matter who I got it from the rounds would just get stuck in the chamber. No issues with new ammo. Second, shot a few rounds out of it and the fiber optic in the sight just went flying off. Replaced that then had a bunch of failure to feed issues. Heard the first gen version had a 9 pound recoil spring for some reason, brought a 12 pound spring and haven't had any issues since. So far haven't had a failure for 2k rounds so I'd say I worked out the kinks. Love the gun but man it was stressful fixing up something that cost such a large amount.

    • @jayjuggrnaut
      @jayjuggrnaut Год назад

      I'm surprised you even tried to run reman ammo thru a 1911/2011 platform, much less a brand new one. A lot of stuff I've read on 1911s in general (years ago) say that reman is a bad idea for the platform.

  • @rbeto1
    @rbeto1 Год назад +2

    I’ve never been the first to watch a video or comment 🎉. Excited for the Prodigy!

  • @KeanonGilliamSlang369
    @KeanonGilliamSlang369 Год назад +3

    I like the way you said, let the factory fix it.

  • @n55Rob
    @n55Rob 4 месяца назад

    I have over 1200 rounds through my 4.25” and I stopped having malfunctions after about 300 rounds of Hot Load Ammunition and constantly cleaning the firearm…after I got to 700 rounds I did….Triarc Extended Slide Stop, Wilson Combat BP Single Side safety, Wilson Combat BP Disconnector, Wilson Combat BP Extractor, Wilson Combat Firing Pin Stop, EGW Extended Firing Pin, Extra power Firing Pin Spring, EGW Keyed Reverse Plug (.332), EGW Tungsten Guide Rod, 8 LB Recoil Spring, 17LB Mainspring, Atlas Match Ignition, Red Dirt Solid Flat F2 Trigger, 10-8 Magazine Catch, and then last but not least I filed in a Disconnector Ramp (Marvel Cut) into the slide/polished it….now it’s as smooth as butter and the lock up is just as good as my buddys Atlas and that’s saying a lot for this platform that’s being fully upgraded that is….

  • @RayJ4Liberty76
    @RayJ4Liberty76 Год назад

    Great video and definitely subscribed. I got my 4.25” couple of weeks ago, shoot a little over 1000 rounds and not one issue. It’s my edc now. I don’t plan on modifying internal parts what so ever, light and Optic is all she gets. I would love to find a way to replace the front site to a night sight but not sure if there are any available.

  • @dieselmakesmehappy
    @dieselmakesmehappy Год назад +1

    I have the 5" haven't shot it yet, hopefully will have a chance to see how Springfield did straight out of the factory.

  • @hopewilliams6705
    @hopewilliams6705 Год назад +1

    I would really like to see you shoot and analyze the new Canik Rival -S

  • @US2A
    @US2A Год назад

    My local store has been waiting forever to get some in, said they're around 1300. I went in the other day and they had them for 1600 lol. I do want one day

  • @RickheadWashington
    @RickheadWashington Год назад +3

    So was your 4.25 more reliable than your 5"?

  • @gair1944
    @gair1944 Год назад

    Really nice report on the Prodigy stock 4.25". Iv'e been following various reviews and reports. There seems to be a lot of challenges with this pistol. While not insurmountable, I think I'd rather simply pay more for a Stacatto and get that level of quality out of the box. What is my time and aggravation worth? Yeah, maybe up to $1k more to get it right the first time.

  • @chrisdoughtie2148
    @chrisdoughtie2148 Год назад

    Thanks for your video series. I have enjoyed it. Sadly, after three times back to the factory within 90 days for failure to go into battery, SA agreed to take the Prodigy back. It shot great, when it went into battery.

    • @jayjuggrnaut
      @jayjuggrnaut Год назад

      Wow. Your experience is the worst I've read. 3 times at the factory is crazy. I've had no issues after sending my 4.25 back to the factory.

  • @dvcer11boo8
    @dvcer11boo8 Год назад

    Hey Hilton, I was a hater of my 4.25, till I wasn’t. Bought a case of Winchester factory, 115 FMJ. Worst factory ammo ever , but it had me blaming the gun. Blazer brass is flawless.

  • @Stealth639
    @Stealth639 Год назад +1

    Will you do a detailed review of the Staccato CS?
    Curious about why they went to an external extractor.
    And also interested to learn more about the new proprietary magazines.

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +2

      Video is in editing process!

    • @Stealth639
      @Stealth639 Год назад

      @@108Performance Awesome. Can't wait to watch.

  • @nokones788
    @nokones788 Год назад

    I noticed that on the 4 17 round factory mags that I own that the grip module screws were coming in contact with the magazine enough that they were leaving marks. Have you noticed that on yours at all? I took the screws out and cleaned them up with a belt sander that I had available to me and got the screws flush with the grip nuts. I haven't been back to shoot the pistol to see if that made a difference in the occasional failure to battery that I was having.

    • @jado4149
      @jado4149 Год назад

      I personally haven't had that issue with the Springfield's but I have had custom 2011's grip screws that were slightly long to the point that they would actually hold the mag in when released. I had no feeding issues with it but reloads weren't fun.

  • @michaelgarland1398
    @michaelgarland1398 Год назад +1

    I may have missed it but how did the pistol perform? How many malfunctions in the 1000 rounds? Also after 1000 rounds what parts do you recommend new owners like me to replace/upgrade?

  • @eat_sleep_boost5569
    @eat_sleep_boost5569 Год назад

    Which Prodigy did you like better the 4.25 or the 5. Im torn between the two. I like very flat shooting guns so I was going to go with the 5in but Ive heard the 4.25 for whatever reason is much more favorable to and reliable with the 9mm cartridge. I enjoy your in depth videos/reviews, keep up the great work.

  • @pgg0024
    @pgg0024 Год назад

    I'm really hoping they will work out.

  • @drnozzel
    @drnozzel Год назад

    I just bought a box of Liberty Civil Defense 9mm. Have not shot them yet and was worried after I'd already bought them if the round is heavy enough to eject and feed the next one. Have you shot that ammo yet through the Prodigy 4.25" 9mm??

  • @Robespierres_Ghost
    @Robespierres_Ghost 11 месяцев назад

    These Prodigy's you bought are early gen guns. Has Springfield made any rolling changes since the initial release?

  • @robtownley5732
    @robtownley5732 Год назад

    Recoil spring replacement? 13 or 15 pound Wolff Commander spring for the 4.25 inch? I have 1K rounds through mine with zero issues. Thanks for the video.

  • @wheeler71
    @wheeler71 Год назад +1

    Thx for the info 👍 🔫🇺🇲

  • @martincarrasco5231
    @martincarrasco5231 Год назад

    I call Springfield and they toll me that the prodigy 4.25 recoil spring is 12 pounds and the hammer spring is 24 pounds that’s the way it comes from factory I have not have any issues with it at all but I was thinking to change the recoil spring to the 15 pounds because it has more authority wend the slide close but what is you’re recommendations on this

  • @shinobi-no-bueno
    @shinobi-no-bueno Год назад

    Do you intend on reviewing the Stealth Arms Platypus?

  • @ohhgourami
    @ohhgourami Год назад

    What do you mean by disconnector drag? In that the disconnectors slot under the slide wasn't cut deep enough or the breechface and underside not chamfered and polished?

  • @KENAHIGHLANDER
    @KENAHIGHLANDER Год назад

    Which would you recommend for reliability the 5 or 4 inch?

  • @rcarver1961
    @rcarver1961 Год назад +1

    If you could only have one. 5" or 4.25"?

  • @tylerfecho4454
    @tylerfecho4454 Год назад

    Finally

  • @jameshoover492
    @jameshoover492 Год назад

    Regarding the mags: I’ve seen talk about replacing the follower, and potentially putting a spacer in the back of magazine to seat the rounds further forward.. while I haven’t had many issues feeding, I did notice follower drag when I disassembled the mag, and when loaded ever odd round seems to rattle as if loose. Are these tuning paths worth going down?

    • @jado4149
      @jado4149 Год назад +1

      The follower in the Duramags is identical to the Staccato's. I almost guarantee they are manufactured by the same company. As for the spacers, I interchange all of my mags with my 9's and .38 super raceguns without issue and believe they are useless. One thing you can look at is springs. Some aftermarket springs have a significant bend upward on the front of the top coil to give extra support to the nose of the bullet. You can take needle nose pliers and tweak the last coil up a bit for support if you're having nose dives but I haven't had to do this. Springs wear so when it comes time to replace, I just order ISMI or Wolf springs in the appropriate length.

  • @racingdc9
    @racingdc9 Год назад

    I'm glad I bought a Staccato P rather then the Prodigy.

  • @marongebron5538
    @marongebron5538 Год назад

    Thought you Said front Sight fell off During Shooting? Hmmm
    Thànx for the study.

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +1

      What’s the question?

    • @marongebron5538
      @marongebron5538 Год назад

      @@108Performance Guess none, maybe it’s my Dyslexia kicking in. Thought you said nothing fell off?

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +4

      @@marongebron5538 You can be as pedantic as you wish, but I meant no functioning parts snapped off from premature wear.

    • @marongebron5538
      @marongebron5538 Год назад

      @@108Performance Sir, no malice of intent meant. I truly enjoyed knowledgeable opinion an your staunch observations with express attention to detail.
      Thank you again for all you do with your postings.

  • @imgoatmunk7903
    @imgoatmunk7903 Год назад +1

    not interested in this firearm, but this video is informative and overall great

  • @GiveMeThatCake
    @GiveMeThatCake Год назад

    Live from the set of Predator

  • @mikehoncho806
    @mikehoncho806 Год назад

    Has there been any word released on the gen 2 yet? I would like to pick one up to cycle in to compete with but from what I’m hearing the 5” is not the way to go and the 4.25” is the way to go

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +1

      There have already been production updates to both models. I find that the 4.25" tracks a bit more lively, while the 5" is very soft but bouncier.

  • @kerryjustice2390
    @kerryjustice2390 Год назад

    Any recommendation on a set of replacement iron sights that will co-witness when a DeltaPointPro is mounted?

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад

      store.springfield-armory.com/agency-optic-system-aos-mounting-plate-prodigy/

    • @kerryjustice2390
      @kerryjustice2390 Год назад

      @@108Performance
      I have the AOS plate below the DeltaPointPro, but the thickness of the DPP is too tall to allow use of the sights. Unlike the RMR plate, which does allow me to use the plate’s rear sight and the factory front sight. Springfield’s web site indicates that the DPP/AOS plate combo does not allow co-witness, so I need taller sights to compensate.

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +1

      @@kerryjustice2390 The plate uses a unique dovetail, so you're out of luck. I don't use the DPP for that reason (amongst others) and also don't make sights for it as it's completely unique in its height.

    • @kerryjustice2390
      @kerryjustice2390 Год назад

      Thanks for confirming what I suspected. When Dawson told me he doesn’t have plans for a solution, I figured I would leave the DPP-equipped Prodigy for Steel Challenge. I enjoy your videos. Great content and presentation!

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +1

      @@kerryjustice2390 Thanks for watching!

  • @stevie9361
    @stevie9361 Год назад

    The "my extractor test" is a test atlas had on RUclips almost 6 years ago. Sneaky sneaky

    • @108Performance
      @108Performance  Год назад +1

      It's a common test that many in the industry use. I've been using this test since before RUclips existed.

  • @ZVManning
    @ZVManning Год назад +1

    That's kinda insane even in a 1600 dollar gun they extraction tension is almost 0. That shit happened to me on my RIA 9mm too I was pissed tbh. Easy fix but annoying fix.

  • @traeucity6087
    @traeucity6087 Год назад

    The real question is would you bet your life on a Prodigy?

  • @dannymccraw4841
    @dannymccraw4841 Год назад +1

    6th

  • @Elvis68spec
    @Elvis68spec Год назад

    You've had Two major issues with your Springfield platform! That's not good! Bad Extractor tension and the Front Sight coming off, would be a deal breaker for me! I would've had Springfield Armory make all necessary repairs and I would've gotten rid of that thing! I like the the fact that you were able to make the repairs, most 1911 users, wouldn't have been able to, including me !!!! LOL!!!! LOL!!!!

  • @m4rvinmartian
    @m4rvinmartian 10 месяцев назад

    *12:20** Yeah... that's not true at all. You've never priced a 2011/STI. There are FOUR parts that take up 80% of the cost. They are literally trying to save $10 on the gun using MIM parts that account for 20% of the cost of the gun.*

  • @americanpatriot477
    @americanpatriot477 Год назад

    I wouldn’t buy shit from his company again! I sent a rifle in for repair, and when they sent my rifle back to me, they sent me someone else’s rifle! When I contacted them, they act like it was my fault! Then said it happens all the time! How could this happen? The rifle has a serial number on it there’s also an RMA number attached to the rifle. I had a letter with my address, my phone number, the RMA number and the serial number attached with the rifle in the box. I was able to contact the owner of the rifle that I received in Springfield only sent him an email after I notified them I had his rifle telling him they have miss placed his rifle and was working on locating it sad totally sad from a company like Springfield.

  • @matthewbaker5359
    @matthewbaker5359 Год назад +11

    I'm here waiting for the "my Prodigy has 50k flawless rounds with zero modifications. It's the best gun ever conceived". Comment.

    • @jessielaird9522
      @jessielaird9522 Год назад +1

      I got you, bro. "Mine has a flawless (wait for it).....50,001 rounds!" LOL

    • @NCTACO
      @NCTACO Год назад +4

      Some people don’t have issues with theirs. I haven’t had any with either one of mine.

    • @steakwilliams4448
      @steakwilliams4448 Год назад +2

      I have 0 rounds through mine, which isn't mine cuz I don't have one. Absolutely no malfunctions of any kind!

    • @Noypi54494
      @Noypi54494 11 месяцев назад

      Lol I just bought a Commander Prodigy and never shot it but racked it 10k times