Power Gains on a Stock NA K24 || Gasoline vs E85 vs E85 + Nitro
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Have you asked yourself if switching to Ethanol immediately picks up power? Or maybe you're curious on seeing other fuels like Methanol or Nitromethane thrown into the mix? Today we tested Gasoline vs Ethanol, and then again vs Ethanol with Nitromethane as an additive. Heres what we learned.
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Good power starts with good fuel and good spark. You should totally have done a rip on just Nitro, for science of course
Agreed. For science of course.
For science!!!
Science is important come on !!!
Can the nitro be mixed with the 93 in the same ratio@@realstreetperformance
I would love to see the fully stock k24 on full 50/50 or even higher nitro!!!
Yes!! Same here
@judewoods9939 pfi speed had one on there dyno couple years back now. Made 600whp+ NA! 100% nitro I believe.
Just ordered few more thingsfrom ya,man this some bad ass content!!!
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Just saw your TRC video in La Fea! Awesome stuff, great to see you at Real St
Thanks dude!
Cool video! I would love to see a comparison between pump E85 vs canned E85. It would be cool to see if the gains are worth the additional costs.
Nitro fuel is crazy. You can make way more with extra ignition timing on both one R and nitro blend.
Probably why they run 2 spark plugs per cylinder and 44 amp ignition in TF. If one fails, another can try to ignite all that fuel. If not, BOOM!
Yes crazy cylinder pressure makes it really hard for it to jump.
You guys are amazing doing this for us thank you for taking the time much love from UK
Enjoy these stock motor data videos
Rad, I was curious about this last night for my 8th gen Si.
This was interesting, it's all in the spark timing.
Engine Masters did this same experiment with a stock ls1 and did not tune the ecu.
The different types of fuel made minimal differences in hp and torque.🤔👍
That was great, the pace of the information is spot on.
Plesae do more content on this fuel. There's not really a ton of info out on how amazing this fuel is! I just picked up 10 gallons today from you guys for my upcoming dyno day.
Awesome. Love this type of testing content!
Love what you've been doing lately. Keep it up.
Full nitro test will
Be awesomely
You should've tested C85 as well. I see something like 5%-7% MORE power than e85 (with boost). I run c85 in my DSM. Its about $55/5 gallons local at a VP Fuels distributor. I use it during track days. And pump e85 to run around on the street
very interesting content !
Thank you!
So no ignitionn changes at all? Just fuel, crazy.
What were the ignition numbers prior to and then during the ethanol run?
Very cool stuff!
I have my restrictions to these stand alone fuel comparisons 🤔
[1] People use fancy fuels to increase the pre-detonation treshold and its kind of useless unless a turbo engine with optimized tunning is used to make the most of it. Otherwise its a waste of money to get those small gains. Old factory stock ECU won't provide the tunning amplitude w/ spark intensity and fuel flow adjustments.
[2] Pre-mixing fuels 'by-hand' doesn't guarantee an homogeneous mixture at a molecular level. Some fuel might be predominant at the botton of the tank.
[3] Also don't forget street pump gas also has some Ethanol in it at an undisclosed and variable percentage.
Nice! Like to see same fuels on high compression NA engine
Great video I would love to see a higher nitro percentage on a stockish K24❤
What about just a set of drop in higher comp pistons on that K24 + ethanol. leave everything else as is. I think that would be a good test as its a simple upgrade that i think most guys who know their K's wont have an issue doing.
Yes! That would be a great upgrade to show on camera soon. Thank you !
Great comparison, but would LOVE to see how advancing the timing to fully take advantage of the fuel change would affect the results. That's the whole reason for changing to a "better" fuel right?
It would be nice to see some rounds with various stage 2 cams.
Nothing will change at all if you arent seeing any knock and not adding any timing. Period. If you are seeing knock on a lower octane fuel, then a higher octane will help eliminate that knock and you will make the power you were tuned to make at whatever spark advance was setup.
My vote highest power on stock unopened k24a2 on pure nitro or highest ratio possible, I know pure nitro even on small motors take a huge fuel system because the amounts that must be sprayed but I really wanna see how much power could be made! I bet it would be impressive!
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I think it would’ve been better if timing was optimized as well. Nobody is going to use those fuels without going to the trouble of adjusting timing as well.
E85 is not big in my state unless you buy by the drum only. Race gas is still the thing here, and i still get the same mileage to which is nice. And i dont drive these car much so e85 would be all sorts of problems for me.
Alot of our customers who only occasionally run their ethanol cars will pickle gasoline into the system before the car sits to prevent problems. Thanks for watching!
@realstreetperformance yeah, this is just super unconvenient af. Thanks for the vid!
I run pump e85 and it sits around a lot. In fact it sits full all winter with no more forethought than filling up the tank. This summer I've only run through 2 tanks so far.... No issues.
I do have an ethanol specific fuel filter and ptfe fuel lines, but nothing special beyond that.
NICE! Just wondering about oil and fuel contamination since you need so much more of the anol fuels.
On race engines that run these types of fuels for a long period of time, they typically see oil washed with fuel after some time racing, but since we only did a short test we didnt see much if any fuel present in our oil.
@@realstreetperformancehow does fuel get into the oil?
Would love to see the difference of each with tuning added
Amazing video!!! 😎
I wonder how well this would work combining the nitro/meth mix with 93 octane instead of E85. And how much it might affect the knock threshold of an engine. I know a few applications where this might be more cost effective than using C16 or some other pure race fuel as a means to pickle a fuel system. Applications where compression is on the extreme end (14:1+)
Ah shit, at first I misread and thought it was KA24
plz try same but with spark plug colder one and play with the gap also put a k20 rsx oil pump in it we whant some rev also you can monitor temps with different fuel
Nice test 👌
why didn't you do a 50/50 test added to the gasoline as well? would have like to see the change it made
What ever happened to regular 104 octane pump gas. That's what it was when I was a teenager and now I'm almost 70.
HONDA POWER!!!
Woowooo
I'm surprised the ethanol made more power all things being the same and just switching fuel. Obviously the dyno doesn't lie but neither does physics. Ethanol is less power dense than gas.
So, theoretically, it with exact same timing and stoichiometric fuel ratios. I believe ethanol should make less power?
From my understanding ethanol has a higher octane rating and cooling effect so you can put more timing to it and have more air density thus creating more power than gas.
Any other ideas on this I'd love to know.
what a shame-missed opportunity! play with timing mam! show us the data like operating temps or exhaust temps, maybe tell us why the fuel is better??
love it love it love it....
We want back Jay
Keep upping the nitro to see what percent sends a rod out of the block lol
Next video throw the whole can of 50 at it we wanna see a party 🎉
you should have put disclaimers in here about not mixing nitro with gasoline.
What's the difference in afr between the 3 fuels ?
I think 9.8 to 1 for Ethanol and WAY more for the 50/50, like 2 to 1 ....
e85 stoichiometric ratio is 9.8:1 and pump fuel is 14.7:1. Methanol is a hilarious 6.4:1 and nitro is a crazy 1.7:1. In layman's terms comparing to pump fuel, ethanol needs about %33 more volume to reach stoich, methanol is pretty much %100 more fuel volume. Then there is nitro, just leave the garden hose on you need all the volume. That's why it gets mixed with methanol to make it more useable for our road engines.
Cheap methanol? HEET yellow. Well, not really. Ha!
We kept the lambda target the same between all three fuels, so very little (if any) lambda difference between runs. Thanks for watching!
@@dillon_r_hansen Looks like 4.05 to 1 for the 50/50 would be best.
Do you recommend any additional additives such as Vp Racing M2 UPPER CYLINDER LUBRICANT - SCENTED? I am going to use my car with flexible gasoline and I want to take care of my engine. I also use it from time to time with m1
Soooo…
Let’s dump that 50/50 straight in there 😭
I want to!
Dangerous! Hydro lock and bent rods? HUGE injectors and fuel pump too.
@@daveyt4802 “it’ll be fine”
Famous last words xD
@@realstreetperformance for science 🗿
That's while Pablo like to see those numbers of difrents awsome I migh try that 50 50 on my Da and see what happen
What size of injectors and pump is on that k24?
Is it still a returnless fuel system?
Did you tune for more ignition advance on E85 or wasnt the engine knock limited on gasoline?
Where all fuels tests with the same tune?
Any timing changes ? I always thought you have to increase timing as normal fuel is knock limited ?
I’m calling my tuner right now 😂
Should test Only 50% on that stock 24
Can you add for the test just octane booster?
What calculations are you referring to and which changes are being made to the ecu for the fuel change ?
What’s the downsides of nitro and e85? Will you not destroy the fuel lines and cylinders bores over time?
Was timing changed at all during those 3 different fuels?
What gas can be used on NA car/bike to make more power with stock O2 ECU?
Do you have this segment in a boosted application?
What brand and size fuel rail is that?
Where did Jay go
Why not pump E85?
Is this actually a full stock (RBB) K24? Stock VTC and stock oil pump?
In this video, yes.
what coolant temp?
A stock 2j runs will be nice.. (;
Lets do a stock NA 2JZ plus Nitro...
@realstreetperformance you just want to blow something.....
Run that thing on nitro 👀
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Just run M1
Frist
If E85 made more power than gasoline there was not enough timing for gasoline.
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No, the opposite. E85 has a higher octane rating than typical pump gas, which means you can advance the timing more vs gasoline due to the higher threshold for knock. That's where the increase in power on E85 comes from. Granted, not all setups on all engines will see a big increase, but it "tends" to. It also has a better latent heat of evaporation, which helps "pull" more heat out of the incoming air, therefore lowering the incoming air temps, increasing power still. This is all why boosted engines LOVE e85.
@@ziggybmw not to mention this is race blend ethanol vs pump gasoline..
@@ziggybmw E85 ignites and burns faster, less timing.
Not really "stock" more like stage 1