I reckon the overhead lines are worth it. They are not that expensive to put in, and they vastly reduce the battery size needed in long haul trucks. While it's not as big of a deal as i thought before i started watching your videos, given that the charge times seem to match up nicely with rest times usually. Another thing is that the fast chargers are quite difficult on the electricity grid, both in load balancing and power. Usual autobahn rest stops are quite out of the way for the grid, and several fast chargers need kilometers of extra cables in the ground. Since trucks are on the autobahn longer than they are at rest besides it, the overhead lines don't need the same power (energy=power*time), and grid balancing becomes quite a bit easier.
Yeah, I share your sentiment, I guess it's going to be harder to gain traction for the infrastructure change that is needed to adopt overhead-lines for trucks, when the battery prices are lower, and keeps dropping, while the infrastructure cost, and the mentioned manufacturer competition are basically fighting against it.
They are actually quite expensive to set up and maintain and the gear on top of the Truck is also expensive. Keep in mind that you would need to electrify enough Autobahn-kilometers to make it worthwhile doing for the transport companies. And that's a lot of cables and concrete. Although this test drive was in use for many years, the utilisation was very low.
Even when the battery pricev are low the best gain for this will be retrofitting old trucks. So if you electrify the main through the Germany Highways You will cut the emissions with alot. I worked with this from Scania side with these trucks. The load impact on the grid are much more even and easier for the powersuply to handledare when you do not have the high loadspikes. Another advantage is that you can downsize the battery capacaty to save cost and resorce materials. It was 5 trucks running on that part it takes about 8min to pass the part with the OCL. So what are the "Low utilazation" what data is it basen on?
@@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 relative price. Siemens claimed their system costs 2.5M€/km. I remember back than, that would be about 3.5 years of road tax in the netherlands to do the entire network. a drop in the ocean really. Yes maintenance is a thing, just like battery degradation is a thing. The system is based on Siemens catenary lines, same as trains. maintenance is very predictable. Utilization is a chicken and egg problem. There was 5km of lines, not enough to do anything with, let alone worth the investment for logistics companies
@@rasmAn2 2.5m €/km is probably 5.0m €/km today. In my opinion, it makes more sense to use the money to build more dedicated truck charging stations/stops than overhead power lines. The pantograph as mentioned above are expensive to maintain because unlike a train network, you are dealing with roads that are in use 24/7. Therefore delaying other road users and even truckers. The pantograph also can't be used in all weather conditions as mentioned in the video. Battery degradation does not mean the battery is useless. There will be cells that are perfectly fine and therefore can be repurposed for other use.
The UK rail network is about 40% electrified, and Europe about 60%. UK rail carries less than 10% of freight, eight times as much going by road. A significant proportion is containerised. Introducing a slick transfer of containers between sea, rail and road might result in the most efficient and least environmentally damaging way of moving stuff. In the UK they are introducing discontinuous electrification with hybrid battery-electric trains on a new rail project to cut the cost of overhead power infrastructure at the expense of more costly and complex trains, rather like the road experiment in the video. Some rail experts believe it is a mistake ...
They're already in use across the mining industry given they need high power electricity anyway to drive their large draglines, etc. I think it makes perfect sense.
nice to see the other options out there. I think the overhead recharging would work in some areas better than others. Myself I would think all electric would be better but that is my opinion I enjoy watching your videos from the US,
Interesting seeing a pantograph truck. But as the testing shows have introduced other points of failure, this IMHO will mean that it will not be widely adopted. That for covering it though 😀
Imho, this technology is dead on arrival. I know it is centuries old, but the cost of building this along the Autobahn is very high, and if this cost was just put into batterytrucks or the charging infra, we would have a higher grade of electrification earlier. Also the maintenance cost. I think this money should be spend on charging infrastructure instead
Regarding whether diesel electric hybrids have a future you should check out the videos and development of Edison motors. They are building Train Locomotive style diesel electric hybrid trucks where the battery and electric motors are the only powertrain and the diesel motor serves as a generator for the battery and does not power the axles. They are using Scania Diesel engine as the generator and because it is not powering the drive train only working as a generator it can be run at a constant most efficient RPM band where it does not even need adblue.
Editor of the channel here. I'm getting this question quiet often, so here is a detailed answer: Due to time constraints, it's not possible to do this channel without the help of AI tools. Tobias' voice is generated using 'elevenlabs' and the transcripts is translated with 'ChatGPT'. However, both are far from perfect, which means I have to manually rewrite the text to make it more coherent and readable. Even if it looks simple, each video still takes several days to translate, rewrite, and edit.
Overhead lines are a eyesore (like pylons ) no one wants them . Super charger parks where truckers can park overnight get a shower and a decent meal with good security is the way forward . Surely ?
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You do a fantastic job with your videos, they are very informative and interesting, keep it up💎🙌🫡
I reckon the overhead lines are worth it. They are not that expensive to put in, and they vastly reduce the battery size needed in long haul trucks. While it's not as big of a deal as i thought before i started watching your videos, given that the charge times seem to match up nicely with rest times usually. Another thing is that the fast chargers are quite difficult on the electricity grid, both in load balancing and power. Usual autobahn rest stops are quite out of the way for the grid, and several fast chargers need kilometers of extra cables in the ground. Since trucks are on the autobahn longer than they are at rest besides it, the overhead lines don't need the same power (energy=power*time), and grid balancing becomes quite a bit easier.
Yeah, I share your sentiment, I guess it's going to be harder to gain traction for the infrastructure change that is needed to adopt overhead-lines for trucks, when the battery prices are lower, and keeps dropping, while the infrastructure cost, and the mentioned manufacturer competition are basically fighting against it.
They are actually quite expensive to set up and maintain and the gear on top of the Truck is also expensive. Keep in mind that you would need to electrify enough Autobahn-kilometers to make it worthwhile doing for the transport companies. And that's a lot of cables and concrete. Although this test drive was in use for many years, the utilisation was very low.
Even when the battery pricev are low the best gain for this will be retrofitting old trucks. So if you electrify the main through the Germany Highways
You will cut the emissions with alot.
I worked with this from Scania side with these trucks.
The load impact on the grid are much more even and easier for the powersuply to handledare when you do not have the high loadspikes. Another advantage is that you can downsize the battery capacaty to save cost and resorce materials.
It was 5 trucks running on that part it takes about 8min to pass the part with the OCL. So what are the "Low utilazation" what data is it basen on?
@@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 relative price. Siemens claimed their system costs 2.5M€/km. I remember back than, that would be about 3.5 years of road tax in the netherlands to do the entire network. a drop in the ocean really. Yes maintenance is a thing, just like battery degradation is a thing. The system is based on Siemens catenary lines, same as trains. maintenance is very predictable.
Utilization is a chicken and egg problem. There was 5km of lines, not enough to do anything with, let alone worth the investment for logistics companies
@@rasmAn2 2.5m €/km is probably 5.0m €/km today. In my opinion, it makes more sense to use the money to build more dedicated truck charging stations/stops than overhead power lines. The pantograph as mentioned above are expensive to maintain because unlike a train network, you are dealing with roads that are in use 24/7. Therefore delaying other road users and even truckers. The pantograph also can't be used in all weather conditions as mentioned in the video.
Battery degradation does not mean the battery is useless. There will be cells that are perfectly fine and therefore can be repurposed for other use.
Noice, I really like logistics and clean energy, been watching your videos for around a week now
The UK rail network is about 40% electrified, and Europe about 60%. UK rail carries less than 10% of freight, eight times as much going by road. A significant proportion is containerised. Introducing a slick transfer of containers between sea, rail and road might result in the most efficient and least environmentally damaging way of moving stuff. In the UK they are introducing discontinuous electrification with hybrid battery-electric trains on a new rail project to cut the cost of overhead power infrastructure at the expense of more costly and complex trains, rather like the road experiment in the video. Some rail experts believe it is a mistake ...
They're already in use across the mining industry given they need high power electricity anyway to drive their large draglines, etc.
I think it makes perfect sense.
nice to see the other options out there. I think the overhead recharging would work in some areas better than others. Myself I would think all electric would be better but that is my opinion I enjoy watching your videos from the US,
Danke 😎
An over-the-air software update to fix the steering wheel sounds.... alarming :)
Also good to reduce speed for more charging time on pantgraph
@electric trucker what is your opinion about the Kempower dispenser compared to Ionity or Aral Pulse set ups?
Interesting seeing a pantograph truck. But as the testing shows have introduced other points of failure, this IMHO will mean that it will not be widely adopted. That for covering it though 😀
Imho, this technology is dead on arrival. I know it is centuries old, but the cost of building this along the Autobahn is very high, and if this cost was just put into batterytrucks or the charging infra, we would have a higher grade of electrification earlier.
Also the maintenance cost.
I think this money should be spend on charging infrastructure instead
Regarding whether diesel electric hybrids have a future you should check out the videos and development of Edison motors. They are building Train Locomotive style diesel electric hybrid trucks where the battery and electric motors are the only powertrain and the diesel motor serves as a generator for the battery and does not power the axles. They are using Scania Diesel engine as the generator and because it is not powering the drive train only working as a generator it can be run at a constant most efficient RPM band where it does not even need adblue.
needs to use renewable diesel as well
Wich App are you using for navigation? Or are you using regular apps like Google, Waze or Apple-maps?
I think he is using tomtom for trucks.
Curious are you using AI translation? I’m 50/50 on it.
Editor of the channel here. I'm getting this question quiet often, so here is a detailed answer:
Due to time constraints, it's not possible to do this channel without the help of AI tools. Tobias' voice is generated using 'elevenlabs' and the transcripts is translated with 'ChatGPT'. However, both are far from perfect, which means I have to manually rewrite the text to make it more coherent and readable. Even if it looks simple, each video still takes several days to translate, rewrite, and edit.
@@electrictrucker Thanks for the reply. It's very close to perfect. If it wasn't for the second person, it could pass for a normal voiceover.
I kept watching your dog, rolling around in the sand.
how much it cost compared to a diesel truck to run ? 200 euro for a full charge looks expensive !
Shell especially is trying to make charging as much as gas/diesel, it should be illegal
Overhead lines are a eyesore (like pylons ) no one wants them . Super charger parks where truckers can park overnight get a shower and a decent meal with good security is the way forward . Surely ?
Any effect on health environment for the overhead lines?
no
schade, dass du nicht für Deutschland redest… und dann ist der Ton auch noch offset gegenüber dem Bild…
Der Hauptkanal von ihm ist der deutsche Kanal - nach Elektrotrucker suchen und in deutsch gucken!
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Für Deutschland redest?
You will find his German channel if you search for elektrotrucker.