@@buddy1155 It makes sense to invest in both I think. Because of fuel mileage save. My sister pays 5-15 quid (depending on socket) to cover the same distance as I do for 40-60. I use a PHEV and ICE, she uses an EV pretty much exclusively now.
@@dancingrick9627 The US isn't suitable for EV semi-trucks. In Europe we have 1) better charge infrastructure. 2) strict driving time and break regulation. In Europe truck driver do have to stop every 4.5 hour for 45 minutes (or 15 & 30 minutes). And when they stop they can easily do so at a fast charger.
I am a new subscriber, and I am really enjoying your video's. I know you used to drive the red truck, and are now driving the white truck. I absolutely love the pickup and go acceleration, that your 1000HP white truck has. At a traffic stop, that truck seems to leave cars in the dust. LOL! But I agree, that truck needs a firmware update bad, cause software wise, it pails in comparison to your red truck, it needs an update. I love how you go over everything, from both the truckers life, as well as an electric user life perspective. Its so much fun to watch. Your doggy is cute!
On your earlier videos there were some comments questioning the power of electric vs diesel trucks, and I think this video highlights the difference - over a 1000hp of seamless power to the wheels without limited power band, gear changes etc. Thanks for the video, they are very interesting.
Finally someone made a video about the weight issues. Must be dual rear bridge (8 wheels) as mandatory for the electric trucks to lower the road pressure
Re: saddle plate Put a strip (maybe an old worn out seatbelt?) of some cloth on the pin before you add the lock, that hangs down a half meter or so to get your attention when backing. Kind of like what they use on airplanes to cover things to remind them to remove them before flight.
Still odd though. All the kingpin locks I've ever used have a small chain attached with a metal flag on the bottom. That still doesn't stop idiots from not noticing but it's completely obvious the lock is on.
The flash lights button is for signaling thank you when passing. When overtaking a slower truck many flash their lights to signal you have cleared them and may move over, flashing your markers is a way to say thank you.
You have to be the best person in the industry that’s currently showing warts and all. I’m so passionate about electric transport and I’ve been running an EV community here in the UK for over 8 years now. I’m also a truck driver delivering chilled food here in the UK. These trucks are perfect for our industry here but the infrastructure does need way more dedicated truck stops for charging. We currently only have a handful here dedicated for trucks at services so most of the time I’d be blocking the chargers intended for cars and small vans.
Thank you for your informative videos, as a UK truck driver I find these interesting how you work on long haul in an E Truck.... UK hauliers are having axle weight issues and mainly use e trucks for local shunting work...on another point... Maybe the regulations could be updated so "E" " trucks" could use the ferry/train mode to interrupt daily rest period to finish a charge then move off the charger to complete the rest period....
1:50 it's a standard thing on American trucks. Here it's used to communicate with other drivers. One example would be when another driver flashes their high beams to let you know that it's safe to move back over after passing you might flash the clearance lights on the truck and trailer to thank them
Absolutely. A courtesy communication device. The younger drivers here in the States don't seem to have been taught any road etiquette, but us old drivers still thank others on the road.
@leadfootpress as a Trucker in the uk for 35 yrs I've never seen a feature like putting the marker lights off by I'm not surprized with iveco which in my opinion is crap 😂
Always great to watch ! I find it fascinating watching e trucks working while so many say it can’t 😂 The more electric vehicles on our roads the better.
This truck is very lightly used compared to the one's in my company. The amount of lost time through charging wouldn't work for us in any way. Plus here in the UK we don't have the charging infrastructure, let alone capacity at charging sites to charge trucks. So no, for most haulage companies this won't work.
Watching this video, you can definitely see how some - especially younger - truckers will not want to go back to diesel after any significant length of time driving electric. Older "gearjammers" may miss running up through the gears and the skill involved. As well, they may have adapted to the inconveniences of diesel and don't notice them anymore but really notice the DIFFERENT inconveniences of electric. What we're not seeing is anything on the economics - it may be that the channel is not privy to those numbers or that the firm - which is certainly getting incredible respect from me for what they're doing - feels it needs to keep those confidential for practical reasons. Still, regardless of how enthusiastic a supporter of the EV transition Nanno Janssen is, I suspect that the owner and/or CEO is a competent businessman and the rate at which he is adopting EV tractors speaks volumes. Also, from a balance-of-trade and economic impact perspective, running on domestically produced electricity rather than imported FOREIGN oil is very positive for the German and EU economies. It is sad that Germany mistakenly shut down their nuclear power plants, which speaks to the success of misinformation and propaganda campaigns there similar to those campaigns success elsewhere. And unless you ALSO have a degree in Physics AND have lived within 10 miles of a nuclear power plant that has operated for fifty years, don't bother commenting on THAT because frankly you don't know what you're talking about. (And NO, despite that useless Physics degree, I have never worked in the nuclear industry. My second degree paid the bills - and then some).
He has spoken about finances in other videos. They save a few hundred euros per day on fuel. Of course the truck also cost money but I was under the impression that the math worked out. Nanno probably knows what he is doing
Depending on which sort of trip you calculate from, he has said it saves 70k EUR a year in daily running costs (fuel and tolls, which electric trucks do not currently pay in Germany). I can imagine brake and drive unit oil changes can go with much longer intervals as well, plus diesel emissions equipment. Time will tell what the numbers work out to vs a battery replacement whenever that gets too worn to be practical, and hopefully battery recycling and prime matter reuse will have picked up more steam by then too.
@@Jeddin It is, but those WILL (and should) be going away. When the Semi was announced by Tesla, I plugged the values into an old spreadsheet (it would be about 10 years old now) from a backup of my "work laptop". At that time I figured that at the announced prices and specs a COMPELLING purchase; the savings would be enough to actually make a planning difference. I suspect the same is true for these even when the subsidies go away. In the meantime, the domestic balance-of-trade advantages (domestic electricity versus imported oil) justifies at least SOME of the subsidies - but explainging that to the average voter is a lost cause.
1:48 - because: 'Murica. that light signaling feature is found on Class-8 Diesel Internationals (been around for years) and keep in mind that Iveco E-way is actually a Nikola Tre (HQ in Phoenix Arizona) underneath, whereas Iveco manufacturer's the chassis. recently checked out both the Tre and their H2 Hybrid in Vegas back in May 2024. the battery modules are supplied by Proterra which is now under the new ownership of Volvo as of Feb 2024.
21:44 I really appreciate your videos both in German and the English densed version Both NMC and LFP do not contain "rare earth metals". This traditional and wrong name is for Elements like Cer, Yttrium, Neodymium that are mostly neither rare nor used in batteries. A quick read in Wikipedia gives you the picture. This "rare.earth myth" has been a PR misinformation in Germany for years and worked as most people do not take the effort to check it.
Indeed, the rare earth metals issue is related to electric motors and I believe people often mixed that up with the batteries either unintentionally or though misinformation.. I believe the main 'sustainability' claim of LFP batteries is their lack of cobalt which has often come from exploitative sources.
The cold battery thing doesn't directly lose you most of the energy, but it can make the energy inaccessible. You'll get it back when you next charge. It's like when you have torch, and the torch goes out. If you switch it off and then back on after a while it will have recovered a bit. The energy takes time to reach the electrodes when it's nearly discharged, but also when the battery is cold, but the BMS will have given up.
Blocking fees - here in Scotland we have a government owned Charge Point Operator who has a rule on their fast and rapid chargers that you are time limited to 40minutes on the cable then 10 minutes grace before a fine is levied and there is also a rule that you cannot return to the same charger within 90 minutes………. and it’s £1 a minute for the fine! However I asked the site attendant when he was charging his Renault Zoe one day and was told just to move to another charger if there is a vacant one (frequently none of the 5 rapids are in use so it’s possible) you move over to it and start a new session on a 2nd charger. OK so most of their sites are not suitable for trucks although they have a site in my local town for electric long distance buses/coaches to charge that are accessible by trucks too but I’ve never seen a truck using them
How much easier it would be just to tap in a code for car or truck. Ultimately the time spent there would equal the charge taken to prove whether it was a car or truck. Unless the truck took a tiny amount, which is unlikely.
LFP and NMC batteries can both be charged to 100% without major issues. Both of them have issues if they remain at 100% for a prolonged time. However, with LFP you NEED to charge to 100% every few charges, as the voltage drop is much less as they get depleted. The BMS literally doesn't know after a few charge/decharge cycles how much capacity the LFP cell has. That's why it needs regular 100% charging, to enable the BMS to calibrate the SoC.
The company I drive for only travels 300 miles max in a day. So electric heavy haulage trucks are not an issue for us. We can also add chargers at all of ours sites to replenish what we have use to get back to the depot.
Once electric trucks are more commonplace, it could be a good solution to put part of the battery in/under the trailer. That would share the weight of the batteries over more axels, reducing the axelload. That would only work if drivers only swap trailers of their own companies or they would lose control over the battery control and managment.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksthe system powers one axel on the trailer + refrigeration. The trailer, if there is sufficient battery level, will use the motor to try to keep zero forward/reverse force on the kingpin.
Thanks for another intresting episode. The first few years of E-trucking will show things that need to be worked on. From all the stories you are talking about i wonder how the Tesla-Semi has its batteries setup since they have a longer range.
There is need of eTrailer where the trailer has the battery too. And may be next state to that is its propelled too under control of the Semi. eTrailers with box could have solar panels too as structural on the roof top.
Please stop putting solar panels on things, this is snake oil, unless you using it to charge the 12v/24v battery system for cab use, which will save a minimal amount, especially when compared to the cost and maintenance of the solar panels.
I just want to say a big thank you from Regensburg. I absolutely love the content of the videos! I'm not ready yet for a completely electric pkw/car yet, but I totally agree with you about languages and how Germany should internationalize itself and its education system. Still i am struggling with German after 2 years :)
It would make sens for e-trucks to have two charging ports, one on each side, both capable of working at the same time. It would charge faster and I think other users would understand if the truck use two parking spots, so one less problem when spots are too narrow. And of course, if the truck charges twice faster, both spots will be free sooner. It would also be convenient for single point charging since one port would always be on the correct side. Not to mention redundancy is always good.
That would require a significant redesign of the battery circuit, because in DC charging the charger is directly connected to the battery. The two chargers probably wont like it if they get directly connected - so the vehicle would have to separate the batteries into two banks, one for each charger, which would require additional circuitry and contactors. That said: charge ports on both sides could be a handy feature, even if only one can be used at a time. It would make parking more flexible.
@@stephanweinberger re: "That would require a significant redesign of the battery circuit. technically it's been done by GM for their double 106 kWh (212 total) pack in the Hummer EV, Silverado EV, Sierra EV pick-up trucks. both packs are 400V's in use but are coupled together (circuit wise) in series during charging to bring the pack up to 800V and thus increase charge speeds. so with this strategy GM just doesn't feel the need to give you separate CCS/DC inputs to the pack (not yet anyway).
@@stephanweinberger re: "That said: charge ports on both sides could be a handy feature, even if only one can be used at a time. It would make parking more flexible." ref: Porsche Taycan. also ref: Japanese Market Nissan Ariya (one side is CCS the other side is CHADEMO iirc).
@@stephanweinberger Bit of an oversight not to have this as a feature anyway. I think I remember some buses and cars having such ability. Now that I think about it. Whilst it's hard to get phantographs on the trucks because of cabin regulation, if you can get some batteries into the trailer floors, then maybe you can get a phantograph on some trailers too. Idk, I am just trying to think of ways to get charging times down a bit for freight. Sometimes slower charging can be important but other times not.
Yep, truck stop areas need to have 1 charger per parking space with a "slow" charge (45min = 500km). And a service station kind of stop for faster charging (15min charge = 250/300km).
At a large manufacturer of vehicles: Engineer: Boss! Look I found a way we can add features to our vehicles _after_ theyve left the factory! Boss: Thats great! Now we can start selling them before we have finished debugging! Engineer: 😞
If the Cabs are too heavy as a single driven axle then just add extra Axles on the Cab, double driven rear axle with deployable 3rd Tag axle. Or use an extra 5th wheel multi axle trailer.
It's interesting that in the USA, tractors with dual rear axles is more common than single. I guess the need to keep the machines short and with tight turning circles means dual axles part of the tradeoffs.
0:55 a few years definitely a few “fusion power” years before in town or rural roads…. Definitely see autonomous driving on motorway/autostrada/autobahn in the next couple years with driver pick up locations at the services to drive off it
24:56 A CATL subsidiary, QIJI Energy, also has an HEV battery swapping solution independent of Nio with, if I remember correctly, about 6 different battery packs.
I've seen truckers in the USA use one of those big battery power banks (with mains output) together with a cooler and a small microwave. That may be a good solution to eat something other than fast food on your trip, assuming you have enough storage space in the truck.
I actually quite enjoy your channel. its a nice inside look into the trucking industry. You seem to really enjoy driving electric. Would you ever go back to driving a diesel truck?
Tobias is more than 10 years in e-mobility, founded 3 start-ups in e-mobility and is currently exploring the next business case around e-trucks. Therefore it isn’t a question of going back rather than how quick he can get rid of Diesel in case it was avoidable as commanded by the logistics.
@@PeterBirett thanks for the info. I found his channel quite by accident. I actually didn't know there were electric trucks yet, but it makes so much sense. I've been driving electric since 2012, and would never go back to an ICE car.
The required thought to pick up power all the time is an issue compared to filling up the tanks for a 1000 km plus drive. Fine for short trips but a pain in the arse for Brisbane-Perth. Or Brisbane-Adelaide. Or Brisbane - Darwin. We use bogie prime movers, which might be a solution for weight distribution. Even if it was a single drive plus a lazy. I can see the required planning being an impediment to older diesel experienced drivers.
Great insight. If destination charges were at the overnight stops what kW would they need to be? Present setup for you is rapid, rapid,rapid. Truck stop providers could fit more lower kW chargers that would be cheaper to install too.
6:24 and with a diesel you would have to stay with it while filling up(or a car at the pump). I have this all the time I'm going on a weekend trip with a college club. I drop them off inside and then spend 5-8 minutes getting filled up and then go park and join them inside. With charging you plug it in and walk away.
@20:30 Are there no electric truck tractors with dual axles? Single axle trucks are pretty rare up here in Norway. The 50t or more limit for roads pretty much require dual rear axles.
@Gazer75 The Tesla Semi is dual rear axles. The axles have different motor arrangements, one is freewheeling and seamlessly powers up for additional torque. I believe this part of the reason behind it's amazing efficiency.
Q: Are there no electric truck tractors with dual axles? A: here in the States due to the extra length allowance (in addition to the Tesla) the Nikola, Daimler/Freightliner, International and Volvo electric offerings are all Dual Axle.
I'm still hoping they will put batteries in the trailer once, that will make it possible to charge while driving, the trailer can regenerate as well and when the trailer is parked, it can charge. On top of it all, you're not forced to 100% electric driving straight away, just whenever you prefere that.
Still teething issues with the stations, but at least you are building a nice list of where to go. 13:04 Height restriction... you should have a messusre stick so you can check heights at a notice as even some that say you will clear get resurfaced and then you won't clear. ... really gutting you with the prices. Lanuages are quite a hassle some times... We get the driving restrictions, but there should be a low speed allowance to move/park. With the 5 wheel lock, a bit of spraypaint/reflective sticker/drop cable or cord and it is now highvis 19:35 With Electric trucks you can run a fridge with ease compared to what we did before with spare batterys, as for health, squats and lunges every time you stop, simple to do and you can stay clean. Axle weights are a funny thing, It is not just about what you carry but the force on the road in one spot.
New to the channel but interested as we have 2 x 18T DAF rigids on test where i work in the UK . Not personally driven them but the guys that do love the instant torque and the quietness. Currently they are only used for local runs and re charge in the yard. They were specced shorter than our diesel version as the unladed weight was much heavier so restricted laden ability. They have had to be recovered twice due to suddenly losing available range and as yet there doesn't appear to be a full explanation. I've also never heard of a device to turn off marker lights , Why would you ? Thanks for the upload and subscribed .
In the States and Canada the marker light flash is a common signal of "thanks" after someone lets you merge, change lanes or if they've inconvenienced you by moving over to pass a slower vehicle in the right lane.
If you think 79p p/kwh is criminal, don't come to the UK!! the fast food resterant that starts with the letter M charges 86p p/kwh, service stations charge 79p for chademo charging, and all you will find is a range between the two, not been driving my electric car for a few months so unaware if prices have changed, after my first winter with an electric car costing as much as my gas and electric bill for my property combined, and only doing 12 miles per day then I decided to get a diesel car for this winter, and for at least the length of my lease. we do have super slow chargers that I can use, but would run out of electric before getting a topup just on using heating to sit there for 8-12 hours. when I say super slow charger it taken an hour just to regain the battery capacity to drive the 3 miles in the height of summer.
I wonder how that would work here in the US. Several issues: battery weight would squash the profits from driving loads. Everything currently gets loaded at the federal limit... The battery is part of that total weight calculation. Second: Truck stops located at the top of mountains in areas with low populations in the area. Calculations on having say 10 truck chargers running would need peaks of power that are what a small to medium sized city would draw. Putting in acres of solar isn't a solution in that area. Running new 238kv lines would be needed, and that is incredibly expensive. Throw in AI and the power they need, and there is no where near the available generation without building lots of nukes to generate the gigawatts of power that are needed.
What if they mount the batteries under the trailer and the power goes to the truck through a cable like those for the lights and brakes? Yes, with that solution you can't move witouth a trailer but they can also put some batteries in the truck with, for example, 100 km range, just to let you move a bit to get another trailer elsewhere.
15:20 Nun bin ich gespannt, ob das selbstgebastelte Schildchen, mit dem Elektrotruck-Pioniere darauf hinweisen, dass es effizienter wäre, an einer anderen Ladesäule zu laden (um sich nicht die Ladeleistung teilen zu müssen), künftig zumindest bilingual (also auf Deutsch und Englisch) sein wird. Oder wird es für alle, die keine Übersetzungs-App nutzen auch eine Sonderedition von dem höflichen Hinweisschild zum vorübergehenden Überkleben des Ladesäulenbedienungsbildschirms in elf Sprachen geben? 😉
17:52 Although that is the solution, even without charging, there are simply not enough parking places for trucks today, never mind enough with chargers. And this is a Europe wide problem.
I tested electric Volvo and Mercedes. Unfortunately charging prices here in Norway are very steep and 8 tones limit for one axle is crazy limit. We use 3 axle unit trucks and more or trucks pulling 4 or 5 a les trailers. That's for spreading weight and total 60 tones. Electric trucks were strong and relaxing drive but loaded to maximum limit with cold weather made range very below factory numbers. Volvo made 230km and charge again. Try to go several thousand km. At the end my road trip was almost 2 days longer, price for electricity was similar to diesel in Norway. Realy devastated with highest prices for charging in Europe, this way does not make sence. I lost one one trip almost thousand euro.
I'm curious about the kWh pricing of these different charging stations. Are they relatively similar in pricing or do they vary widely depending on location and time?
21:40 Rare Earth elements are not used in any batteries, as far as I know. They are used in the magnets in electric motors and wind turbines. The most commonly used Rare Earths are Neodymium and Scandium. In actuality, the name 'Rare Earth' is something of a misnomer for many of those elements, because those two groups (Lanthanides and Actinides) are found in numerous places around the planet, and are probably in your garden soil as trace elements. They are somewhat difficult to separate one from another, which makes the pure elements more expensive than they might have been. Lanthanides are elements 57 to 70 and Actinides are elements 89 to 102, with only the higher numbers being man-made and therefore extremely rare. If you were talking about Cobalt not being used in LFP batteries, you need to know that Cobalt is not a Rare Earth element. Cobalt is element 27 in the Periodic Table, sitting between Iron at 26 and Nickel at 28..
Having to charge (refuel) twice in a 650 km trip would be unacceptable here in Australia. Deliveries would take far too long in such a vast country. Would be okay for city work though.
@ Here in Australia it’s a 15 minute break after 5hrs 30mins, then a scale up to 12 hours and a max speed of 100 kph. (I’ve been sitting on 110 and been passed by B-Doubles. 😂 ) Even our triple trailer 110 tonne road trains do 100 kph. Transport companies here can’t afford to have their trucks sitting idle for several hours charging. There’s no infrastructure here to charge huge truck batteries anyway due to grid limits and no grid at all in many places, just locally provided power via diesel generators. Another decade of development and the story will probably be different. Electric delivery size trucks in cities would be good for air quality though.
@peter_meyer He paid 0.78 EUR/kWh at one of the chargers. Says it in the video. Certainly higher than usual, but the fact that he had to charge there and actually pay that price because no other option was feasible for him or the fact that some chargers have such prices...
21:38 "LFP batteries have no rare earth elements". Sure, but NMC batteries don't either. And I think no battery technology has "rare earth elements". Maybe you mean cobalt ? Cobalt is a relatively rare metal, but the main issue of cobalt is the price and of course some child labor in a few mines in Africa. But child labor has nothing to do with batteries and sadly it will continue when batteries will not anymore use cobalt, and then anti-EV propaganda (and so most medias) won't anymore care and talk about it 😱.
Your last comment is sadly true. When people say to me "Well if you're so smart, why don't we have flying cars?" THAT comment is the actual answer. (We could, except for ... people).
Also cobalt's primary use is in diesel fuel, to remove sulfur (it acts like a catalyst) so it's a really, really, REALLY stupid comment to say regarding the child labor issue....
@@MrOpenGL What aspect of my comment is "stupid" ? Child labor has always been an issue in Democratic Republic of Congo, it is has nothing to do with batteries or diesel production, it is about the lack of politic will of the leaders of this country. Some people are using this issue to argue against EVs but they don't care *at all* about the children since they *never* address the real causes. And when EVs will not anymore use cobalt, child labor in Democratic Republic of Congo will not anymore be in the spotlight and a huge opportunity to address this issue will have been lost.
The big problem with electrification is finding the power. Renewables are not the answer as they fluctuate and can't support base load. The grids around the world can't support the extra demand on them. Then you have the batteries which are volatile. And get worse as you go bigger. Then you have to consider where all the components for this infrastructure come from and the devastation that is causing. The time factor sitting there waiting for the thing to charge and hopefully not catch fire. Many electric trucks already have. The weight of the batteries and reduced load. Range covered in a given time with charge times and labour cost. Running costs. Depreciation of vehicle. Access to charging in enough locations. Factor in the AI and picture all the Tesla accidents. Braking for no reason, causing accidents. Driving into everything around them for no reason. So common police in the US just say, Oh they do that. Like it is nothing. And locking you inside to make sure you burn well. They often do that too. Rather you than me. I'll stick to Diesel. Whose carbon footprint is no bigger than the electric truck and would take the electric one about 10 years to overtake, by which time it is scrap.
Renewables are the answer. Fluctuation can be covered by bidirectional charging and large battery parks, like Tesla has planned (and are already build in some places). Volatile batteries? Maybe 10 years ago.
@peter_meyer You obviously don't watch the news, and are not science minded. Even the largest bess units can't supply a base load. And dozens of them around the world have burnt spectacularly. The cars burn. The trucks burn. Even electric bikes are burning thousands of people's houses down. Every day more on the news. Tesla trucks on fire. It is everywhere. There are not the resources on the planet to make it work. The infrastructure cost is prohibitive. Solar sites and windmill sites closing down all over the place. Not economical to run. Billions wasted. Enjoy your oversized milk float. But I would just ask you to do your own research. Improve your science knowledge. And watch the reality of the lithium world. The pollution from all the thermal runaways. Watch a couple of electric truck fires. They are impressive, but deadly. Just consider both sides. In theory running the world on all electric isn't a bad idea. But in reality that is lifetimes away. Think of the damage this current electric course is doing. Science and facts destroy the idea.
I wish people wouldn't repeat 2014 talking points. There is plenty of excess energy available. Routinely renewables have to be shut off in middle of the day when they could be producing the most energy because there isn't enough demand. Then if you switch to charging overnight demand has plummeted. There is basically unlimited energy available for vehicle charging off those base load sources like nuclear or hydro.
@otm646 2014 Talking points. Yeh right. 2024, this year. Tesla trucks, not available in 14. Going up in flames closing highways in America for a day at a time. Massive pollution issues. Numerous Bess systems all over the place burning. One recently burnt for 7 days. Town evacuated. Still 2024. EV fires destroyed hundreds of other cars in massive fires. Caused building demolitions. Numerous fires at battery assembly plants. Many deaths, and millions in damages. Electric cycle batteries caused literally thousands of house and shop fires. Many lives lost and massive property damage. Two Ro Ro car ships destroyed. Millions in damages. Insurance companies are jacking all policies or refusing cover. Korea bans EV charging in Unit buildings. Several massive solar arrays, into the billions. Closed down, uneconomical to run. Hertz car rental wiped a couple of billion off it's share price because of EV'S. Now dumped them from it's fleet. Derelict windmills shut down in less than 10 years. Broken and uneconomical. Nuclear would be the answer. But then there are only 30 odd countries currently with nuclear power. A lot don't class this as green. The average country's grid system is not designed to power multiple EVS. Each car is many houses. A truck is many streets. Cost of upgrade, telephone numbers. This is 2024. Not 2014. You need to catch up mate. You are 10 years behind.
@@davetaylor4741 You're even 50 years behind. EVs do not burn more often than combustion engines. But the press makes big news out of every EV burning.
Will be interesting to see how Tesla's semi fairs in Europe with the different rules there. They've said they built it to work there with only a few very minor tweaks. I know they're aiming for/promising under 9,070kg for the 480km version, and under 10,430kg for the 800km version. But I don't know anything about how it's distributed. Just from looking at it, it looks like the weight is pretty evenly distributed between the front/steering axle and the forward tandem axel.
kleiner tipp. es gibt ai tools die die stimme aus videos entfernen können. mit normalen geräuschen im hintergrund sind die videos bestimmt sehenswerter
@@HaloofBlood1 Genau. Darum hast du deinen Beitrag ja auf deutsch verfaßt. Ist aber ja egal. man kann ja die YT-Translation probieren. Die ist zwar für gewöhnlich grottig, aber man hat dann den O-Ton.
Test for us an electric truck by using to transport an excavator or bulldozer in a maram road with hills. Thats how you test. You only want to carry 8tonnes.
He went through steep hills, fully loaded. No problem. The only problem were the slow Diesel trucks. btw, do you know the really large haul trucks in quarries and mines? Those are electric driven. The diesel just replaces the battery. These trucks have a _payload_ of up to 450 metric tons (440 long tons; 500 short tons).
He's a commercial trucker, he's not cherry picking loads. He's hauling what comes from dispatch. It's very common to have loads that are limited by volume, not weight. Not every single semi truck going down the road has 40 tons in the trailer.
Ultimately, the issue of weight and weights distribution is not decided by a god on high. It's all derived at the moment from what has been available for decades. Which means..... Heaven forfend.... it can all be changed! Including driving-rest hours, charging times vs. rest/driving/loading times and all else. E-trucks are new, with doifferent weights and different driving - refueling needs. Change the system! How hard can it be?
Worth mentioning all the dumb charge tech / charge point companies issues, are already solved on the Tesla side of the fence and they are about to start installing their V4 charging infrastructure which can do 500kW for both cybertruck and semi and from what I understand can natively push 800-1000V to the vehicle without having to mess around with tandem phases and whatnot. They also say this V4 hardware is somehow cheaper and faster to make so they will be installing it everywhere moving forwards. If the rest of the industry want to keep being slow and incompetent, Tesla will just eat their share of the lunch as usual. For me it means electric trucks are pretty much already a solved problem at least in europe, I can understand the thousand kilometers drives still being somewhat of a problem but this is all limited by how many charger stations get installed, people still have to sleep and can charge meanwhile anyhow.
You expose a level of incompetence that is almost unbelievable in an HGV driver. 1.20 - 140 There is NO EXCUSE for driving into the back of another vehicle. Never mind hitting another lorry, you could crush my car with me in it. ALL DRIVERS MUST DRIVE SO THAT THEY CAN STOP SAFELY WITHIN THE DISTANCE THAT IS CLEAR IN FRONT OF THEM. This is particularly important as you are sitting on top of a monstrously heavy fire bomb the extinguishing of which could cause untold inconvenience for other road users. (In California, a 16 hour closure of a major highway). Stopping safely means that you should adjust that stopping distance if there is an idiot behind you who is too close. You should ALWAYS be aware of what is behind you. Slamming on the anchors and getting smashed in the back (possibly by another monstrously heavy electric fire bomb) is not very clever.
Nope, he doesn't espouse incompetence, rather he is only talking about what would automatically if he did nothing. Of course that doesn't mean he is incompetent rather that he knows the limits of the machine.
i cant believe anyone else hasnt commented on the insane power these electric chargers are drawing, i mean, 300,000 watts? its little wonder they keep dropping off or cutting out.
What are your thoughts on the Tesla Semi? is it too long for EU? or will it be usable, because electric trucks must be 90cm. longer than diesel trucks.
@rasmusjensen9146 There are extra allowances for length and weight on EV trucks.The Tesla Semi will almost certainly be redesigned for European and Asian roads, it will likely be a compromise between space and aerodynamics.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I think the IVECO truck is basically re-badged for Nikola. The Tesla Semi is currently designed for use in NA. *When* they look to expand beyond that, I'm sure they can manage to do so.
Totally a waste of time having electric trucks cars and vans causing more harm to the planet than a 5year old diesel truck as a hgv class 1 driver myself they don't have the ability to go the distance like a diesel truck and that's a proven fact
Please can you add some clips onto RUclips Shorts. You will get so much more exposure on the positives and negatives of the EV trucking industry. Wish I had an electric truck to provide my daily life as an EV trucker. I’ve got so much content I’d love to cover.
You have to split the unit and trailor ??? In the uk if we pull into a charger with 1 min to go and then have to change charger because off it not working everybody will be down our throats for breaking the tacho break and we be in trouble 😡 instead off using a 5th wheel clamp why not get a suzzie lock on the brake line ? EV trucks no thanks.
Interesting Videos ! Well done. However shifting everything from diesel to electric power will never be a solution...short term maybe but not worth it... People should just be honnest and either stop consuming so much or just don t care.... But thinking that technology will make it possible to consume the same or more with a sustainable balance for the planet.... Just an absolute lie !
I'm not a trucker, just interested in the energy transition. Great to see how you are pioneering!
It makes so much more sense to invest in electric trucking vs personal cars.
The average person uses
Me neither, I was wanting a Tesla M3 but now I want a Scania EV, mildly impractical I know.
@@buddy1155 It makes sense to invest in both I think. Because of fuel mileage save. My sister pays 5-15 quid (depending on socket) to cover the same distance as I do for 40-60. I use a PHEV and ICE, she uses an EV pretty much exclusively now.
I wish America would get onboard with EV semi trucks. Unfortunately we are going backwards. Too many Americans love their ICE vehicles.
@@dancingrick9627 The US isn't suitable for EV semi-trucks. In Europe we have 1) better charge infrastructure. 2) strict driving time and break regulation.
In Europe truck driver do have to stop every 4.5 hour for 45 minutes (or 15 & 30 minutes). And when they stop they can easily do so at a fast charger.
I am a new subscriber, and I am really enjoying your video's. I know you used to drive the red truck, and are now driving the white truck. I absolutely love the pickup and go acceleration, that your 1000HP white truck has. At a traffic stop, that truck seems to leave cars in the dust. LOL! But I agree, that truck needs a firmware update bad, cause software wise, it pails in comparison to your red truck, it needs an update. I love how you go over everything, from both the truckers life, as well as an electric user life perspective. Its so much fun to watch. Your doggy is cute!
On your earlier videos there were some comments questioning the power of electric vs diesel trucks, and I think this video highlights the difference - over a 1000hp of seamless power to the wheels without limited power band, gear changes etc. Thanks for the video, they are very interesting.
Why not both?
Finally someone made a video about the weight issues. Must be dual rear bridge (8 wheels) as mandatory for the electric trucks to lower the road pressure
Re: saddle plate
Put a strip (maybe an old worn out seatbelt?) of some cloth on the pin before you add the lock, that hangs down a half meter or so to get your attention when backing. Kind of like what they use on airplanes to cover things to remind them to remove them before flight.
Still odd though. All the kingpin locks I've ever used have a small chain attached with a metal flag on the bottom. That still doesn't stop idiots from not noticing but it's completely obvious the lock is on.
Impressed by the positivity of this guy. And the no-nonsense attitude. And the dog 😂. Respekt!
Thank you for no spoilers at the start
The flash lights button is for signaling thank you when passing. When overtaking a slower truck many flash their lights to signal you have cleared them and may move over, flashing your markers is a way to say thank you.
Thought this was just in North America with a dedicated button.
Truckers in Europe just use the indicators for that (a short left-right-left blink).
@@stephanweinberger same here in Aus.
older truckers use
flash l r to thank you
plus head light flash when clear
uk
You have to be the best person in the industry that’s currently showing warts and all. I’m so passionate about electric transport and I’ve been running an EV community here in the UK for over 8 years now. I’m also a truck driver delivering chilled food here in the UK. These trucks are perfect for our industry here but the infrastructure does need way more dedicated truck stops for charging. We currently only have a handful here dedicated for trucks at services so most of the time I’d be blocking the chargers intended for cars and small vans.
Thank you for your informative videos, as a UK truck driver I find these interesting how you work on long haul in an E Truck.... UK hauliers are having axle weight issues and mainly use e trucks for local shunting work...on another point...
Maybe the regulations could be updated so "E" " trucks" could use the ferry/train mode to interrupt daily rest period to finish a charge then move off the charger to complete the rest period....
Frankly, there's no reason at all why the new technology and new weights issues cannot just see current restrictions changed. The earlier the better.
1:50 it's a standard thing on American trucks. Here it's used to communicate with other drivers. One example would be when another driver flashes their high beams to let you know that it's safe to move back over after passing you might flash the clearance lights on the truck and trailer to thank them
we just use the indicators.
Absolutely. A courtesy communication device. The younger drivers here in the States don't seem to have been taught any road etiquette, but us old drivers still thank others on the road.
@leadfootpress as a Trucker in the uk for 35 yrs I've never seen a feature like putting the marker lights off by I'm not surprized with iveco which in my opinion is crap 😂
@@stum8374 What are the good truck brands in Europe? I'm a Kenworth fan over here.
You're doing great for further ev truck community
He is doing a disservice.
In the USA we have a switch on almost all trucks and it is so we can blink them when we pass another truck to say thanks.
Always great to watch ! I find it fascinating watching e trucks working while so many say it can’t 😂
The more electric vehicles on our roads the better.
This truck is very lightly used compared to the one's in my company. The amount of lost time through charging wouldn't work for us in any way. Plus here in the UK we don't have the charging infrastructure, let alone capacity at charging sites to charge trucks. So no, for most haulage companies this won't work.
@@anthonymiles8377for most it will, the cost difference is paid for by the gov and results in huge fuel savings
Watching this video, you can definitely see how some - especially younger - truckers will not want to go back to diesel after any significant length of time driving electric. Older "gearjammers" may miss running up through the gears and the skill involved. As well, they may have adapted to the inconveniences of diesel and don't notice them anymore but really notice the DIFFERENT inconveniences of electric.
What we're not seeing is anything on the economics - it may be that the channel is not privy to those numbers or that the firm - which is certainly getting incredible respect from me for what they're doing - feels it needs to keep those confidential for practical reasons. Still, regardless of how enthusiastic a supporter of the EV transition Nanno Janssen is, I suspect that the owner and/or CEO is a competent businessman and the rate at which he is adopting EV tractors speaks volumes.
Also, from a balance-of-trade and economic impact perspective, running on domestically produced electricity rather than imported FOREIGN oil is very positive for the German and EU economies.
It is sad that Germany mistakenly shut down their nuclear power plants, which speaks to the success of misinformation and propaganda campaigns there similar to those campaigns success elsewhere. And unless you ALSO have a degree in Physics AND have lived within 10 miles of a nuclear power plant that has operated for fifty years, don't bother commenting on THAT because frankly you don't know what you're talking about. (And NO, despite that useless Physics degree, I have never worked in the nuclear industry. My second degree paid the bills - and then some).
He has spoken about finances in other videos. They save a few hundred euros per day on fuel. Of course the truck also cost money but I was under the impression that the math worked out. Nanno probably knows what he is doing
Depending on which sort of trip you calculate from, he has said it saves 70k EUR a year in daily running costs (fuel and tolls, which electric trucks do not currently pay in Germany). I can imagine brake and drive unit oil changes can go with much longer intervals as well, plus diesel emissions equipment. Time will tell what the numbers work out to vs a battery replacement whenever that gets too worn to be practical, and hopefully battery recycling and prime matter reuse will have picked up more steam by then too.
@@C4rb0neum I believe he mentioned in another video that the increased upfront cost of the vehicle was subsidized by a government program.
@@Jeddin It is, but those WILL (and should) be going away. When the Semi was announced by Tesla, I plugged the values into an old spreadsheet (it would be about 10 years old now) from a backup of my "work laptop". At that time I figured that at the announced prices and specs a COMPELLING purchase; the savings would be enough to actually make a planning difference. I suspect the same is true for these even when the subsidies go away.
In the meantime, the domestic balance-of-trade advantages (domestic electricity versus imported oil) justifies at least SOME of the subsidies - but explainging that to the average voter is a lost cause.
The extra truck cost is paid by the EU @@Jeddin
1:48 - because: 'Murica. that light signaling feature is found on Class-8 Diesel Internationals (been around for years) and keep in mind that Iveco E-way is actually a Nikola Tre (HQ in Phoenix Arizona) underneath, whereas Iveco manufacturer's the chassis. recently checked out both the Tre and their H2 Hybrid in Vegas back in May 2024. the battery modules are supplied by Proterra which is now under the new ownership of Volvo as of Feb 2024.
Volvo trucks? That means Volvo and Renault tractors will get the same modules on the 2025 models if they haven't already, maybe. 🤔
Glad Volvo bought Proterra's battery tech at least
13:03 One "solution" might be to get a laser range finder, to measure the distance from the ground to a beam. Takes out the guess work.
Love your details about charging and other technical aspects 👍 By the way, Kempower shows charging graphs at the stands 😊
21:44 I really appreciate your videos both in German and the English densed version
Both NMC and LFP do not contain "rare earth metals". This traditional and wrong name is for Elements like Cer, Yttrium, Neodymium that are mostly neither rare nor used in batteries. A quick read in Wikipedia gives you the picture. This "rare.earth myth" has been a PR misinformation in Germany for years and worked as most people do not take the effort to check it.
Indeed, the rare earth metals issue is related to electric motors and I believe people often mixed that up with the batteries either unintentionally or though misinformation..
I believe the main 'sustainability' claim of LFP batteries is their lack of cobalt which has often come from exploitative sources.
The cold battery thing doesn't directly lose you most of the energy, but it can make the energy inaccessible. You'll get it back when you next charge. It's like when you have torch, and the torch goes out. If you switch it off and then back on after a while it will have recovered a bit. The energy takes time to reach the electrodes when it's nearly discharged, but also when the battery is cold, but the BMS will have given up.
Blocking fees - here in Scotland we have a government owned Charge Point Operator who has a rule on their fast and rapid chargers that you are time limited to 40minutes on the cable then 10 minutes grace before a fine is levied and there is also a rule that you cannot return to the same charger within 90 minutes………. and it’s £1 a minute for the fine! However I asked the site attendant when he was charging his Renault Zoe one day and was told just to move to another charger if there is a vacant one (frequently none of the 5 rapids are in use so it’s possible) you move over to it and start a new session on a 2nd charger. OK so most of their sites are not suitable for trucks although they have a site in my local town for electric long distance buses/coaches to charge that are accessible by trucks too but I’ve never seen a truck using them
How much easier it would be just to tap in a code for car or truck. Ultimately the time spent there would equal the charge taken to prove whether it was a car or truck. Unless the truck took a tiny amount, which is unlikely.
@@hughwilson2219CCS can check the VIN via connector
LFP and NMC batteries can both be charged to 100% without major issues. Both of them have issues if they remain at 100% for a prolonged time. However, with LFP you NEED to charge to 100% every few charges, as the voltage drop is much less as they get depleted. The BMS literally doesn't know after a few charge/decharge cycles how much capacity the LFP cell has. That's why it needs regular 100% charging, to enable the BMS to calibrate the SoC.
Brilliant thanks for sharing this journey
Which app are you using to find the chargers? Is it PlugShare or some German app? Love your videos mate! Keep em coming!
I believe they also have national charging routes
These charging stations are installed like filling stations.
They should be built on truck parking area, so you do not have to move around.
The company I drive for only travels 300 miles max in a day. So electric heavy haulage trucks are not an issue for us. We can also add chargers at all of ours sites to replenish what we have use to get back to the depot.
Once electric trucks are more commonplace, it could be a good solution to put part of the battery in/under the trailer. That would share the weight of the batteries over more axels, reducing the axelload. That would only work if drivers only swap trailers of their own companies or they would lose control over the battery control and managment.
Actually, they already exist. They are controlled only by the contacts on the kingpin and work with both diesel and electric trucks.
@@JakobFischer60 Oh yeah but this is only to power the trailer though right? 🤔
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks yes
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksthe system powers one axel on the trailer + refrigeration.
The trailer, if there is sufficient battery level, will use the motor to try to keep zero forward/reverse force on the kingpin.
@@MichaelEricMenkdo we know which brands?
Thanks for another intresting episode. The first few years of E-trucking will show things that need to be worked on. From all the stories you are talking about i wonder how the Tesla-Semi has its batteries setup since they have a longer range.
There is need of eTrailer where the trailer has the battery too. And may be next state to that is its propelled too under control of the Semi. eTrailers with box could have solar panels too as structural on the roof top.
e-Trailer get their battery even loaded while being pulled by diesel-truck during the breaking having a recuperation built in.
Please stop putting solar panels on things, this is snake oil, unless you using it to charge the 12v/24v battery system for cab use, which will save a minimal amount, especially when compared to the cost and maintenance of the solar panels.
I just want to say a big thank you from Regensburg. I absolutely love the content of the videos! I'm not ready yet for a completely electric pkw/car yet, but I totally agree with you about languages and how Germany should internationalize itself and its education system. Still i am struggling with German after 2 years :)
It would make sens for e-trucks to have two charging ports, one on each side, both capable of working at the same time. It would charge faster and I think other users would understand if the truck use two parking spots, so one less problem when spots are too narrow. And of course, if the truck charges twice faster, both spots will be free sooner. It would also be convenient for single point charging since one port would always be on the correct side. Not to mention redundancy is always good.
There is a Chinese company who does this. They showed it on IAA Nutzfahrzeuge.
That would require a significant redesign of the battery circuit, because in DC charging the charger is directly connected to the battery. The two chargers probably wont like it if they get directly connected - so the vehicle would have to separate the batteries into two banks, one for each charger, which would require additional circuitry and contactors.
That said: charge ports on both sides could be a handy feature, even if only one can be used at a time. It would make parking more flexible.
@@stephanweinberger re: "That would require a significant redesign of the battery circuit. technically it's been done by GM for their double 106 kWh (212 total) pack in the Hummer EV, Silverado EV, Sierra EV pick-up trucks. both packs are 400V's in use but are coupled together (circuit wise) in series during charging to bring the pack up to 800V and thus increase charge speeds. so with this strategy GM just doesn't feel the need to give you separate CCS/DC inputs to the pack (not yet anyway).
@@stephanweinberger re: "That said: charge ports on both sides could be a handy feature, even if only one can be used at a time. It would make parking more flexible." ref: Porsche Taycan. also ref: Japanese Market Nissan Ariya (one side is CCS the other side is CHADEMO iirc).
@@stephanweinberger Bit of an oversight not to have this as a feature anyway. I think I remember some buses and cars having such ability.
Now that I think about it. Whilst it's hard to get phantographs on the trucks because of cabin regulation, if you can get some batteries into the trailer floors, then maybe you can get a phantograph on some trailers too. Idk, I am just trying to think of ways to get charging times down a bit for freight. Sometimes slower charging can be important but other times not.
Nio has a 150 kwh battery. Same dimensions but slightly heavier.
Yep, truck stop areas need to have 1 charger per parking space with a "slow" charge (45min = 500km). And a service station kind of stop for faster charging (15min charge = 250/300km).
At a large manufacturer of vehicles:
Engineer: Boss! Look I found a way we can add features to our vehicles _after_ theyve left the factory!
Boss: Thats great! Now we can start selling them before we have finished debugging!
Engineer: 😞
If the Cabs are too heavy as a single driven axle then just add extra Axles on the Cab, double driven rear axle with deployable 3rd Tag axle. Or use an extra 5th wheel multi axle trailer.
The infrastructures for EV in Germany are really impressive, I've never seen such an area like this with chargers for cars and trucks in France
It's interesting that in the USA, tractors with dual rear axles is more common than single. I guess the need to keep the machines short and with tight turning circles means dual axles part of the tradeoffs.
0:55 a few years definitely a few “fusion power” years before in town or rural roads…. Definitely see autonomous driving on motorway/autostrada/autobahn in the next couple years with driver pick up locations at the services to drive off it
24:56 A CATL subsidiary, QIJI Energy, also has an HEV battery swapping solution independent of Nio with, if I remember correctly, about 6 different battery packs.
Great truck content
I've seen truckers in the USA use one of those big battery power banks (with mains output) together with a cooler and a small microwave. That may be a good solution to eat something other than fast food on your trip, assuming you have enough storage space in the truck.
Agreed, an inverter is likely already included for a fridge/cooker
I actually quite enjoy your channel. its a nice inside look into the trucking industry. You seem to really enjoy driving electric. Would you ever go back to driving a diesel truck?
Tobias is more than 10 years in e-mobility, founded 3 start-ups in e-mobility and is currently exploring the next business case around e-trucks.
Therefore it isn’t a question of going back rather than how quick he can get rid of Diesel in case it was avoidable as commanded by the logistics.
@@PeterBirett thanks for the info. I found his channel quite by accident. I actually didn't know there were electric trucks yet, but it makes so much sense. I've been driving electric since 2012, and would never go back to an ICE car.
The required thought to pick up power all the time is an issue compared to filling up the tanks for a 1000 km plus drive. Fine for short trips but a pain in the arse for Brisbane-Perth. Or Brisbane-Adelaide. Or Brisbane - Darwin. We use bogie prime movers, which might be a solution for weight distribution. Even if it was a single drive plus a lazy.
I can see the required planning being an impediment to older diesel experienced drivers.
Great insight. If destination charges were at the overnight stops what kW would they need to be? Present setup for you is rapid, rapid,rapid. Truck stop providers could fit more lower kW chargers that would be cheaper to install too.
Q: If destination charges were at the overnight stops what kW would they need to be? A: the Math says 50kW - 100kW is all that would ever be needed.
6:24 and with a diesel you would have to stay with it while filling up(or a car at the pump). I have this all the time I'm going on a weekend trip with a college club. I drop them off inside and then spend 5-8 minutes getting filled up and then go park and join them inside. With charging you plug it in and walk away.
"The rear axle is overloaded at 12T" Laughed in french, we are @ 13T on the rear axle. (it's 10T everywhere else in europe)
@20:30 Are there no electric truck tractors with dual axles? Single axle trucks are pretty rare up here in Norway. The 50t or more limit for roads pretty much require dual rear axles.
@Gazer75 The Tesla Semi is dual rear axles. The axles have different motor arrangements, one is freewheeling and seamlessly powers up for additional torque. I believe this part of the reason behind it's amazing efficiency.
We have a ton of different axles configurations here in Switzerland when it comes to electric trucks.
Q: Are there no electric truck tractors with dual axles? A: here in the States due to the extra length allowance (in addition to the Tesla) the Nikola, Daimler/Freightliner, International and Volvo electric offerings are all Dual Axle.
18:51 the kingpin lock is supposed to come with a high visibility hanging flag.
Great video as always! Do you have a video where you talk about the problems with fastned?
I'm still hoping they will put batteries in the trailer once, that will make it possible to charge while driving, the trailer can regenerate as well and when the trailer is parked, it can charge.
On top of it all, you're not forced to 100% electric driving straight away, just whenever you prefere that.
Still teething issues with the stations, but at least you are building a nice list of where to go.
13:04 Height restriction... you should have a messusre stick so you can check heights at a notice as even some that say you will clear get resurfaced and then you won't clear.
... really gutting you with the prices.
Lanuages are quite a hassle some times...
We get the driving restrictions, but there should be a low speed allowance to move/park.
With the 5 wheel lock, a bit of spraypaint/reflective sticker/drop cable or cord and it is now highvis
19:35 With Electric trucks you can run a fridge with ease compared to what we did before with spare batterys, as for health, squats and lunges every time you stop, simple to do and you can stay clean.
Axle weights are a funny thing, It is not just about what you carry but the force on the road in one spot.
New to the channel but interested as we have 2 x 18T DAF rigids on test where i work in the UK . Not personally driven them but the guys that do love the instant torque and the quietness. Currently they are only used for local runs and re charge in the yard. They were specced shorter than our diesel version as the unladed weight was much heavier so restricted laden ability. They have had to be recovered twice due to suddenly losing available range and as yet there doesn't appear to be a full explanation. I've also never heard of a device to turn off marker lights , Why would you ?
Thanks for the upload and subscribed .
In the States and Canada the marker light flash is a common signal of "thanks" after someone lets you merge, change lanes or if they've inconvenienced you by moving over to pass a slower vehicle in the right lane.
If you think 79p p/kwh is criminal, don't come to the UK!! the fast food resterant that starts with the letter M charges 86p p/kwh, service stations charge 79p for chademo charging, and all you will find is a range between the two, not been driving my electric car for a few months so unaware if prices have changed, after my first winter with an electric car costing as much as my gas and electric bill for my property combined, and only doing 12 miles per day then I decided to get a diesel car for this winter, and for at least the length of my lease. we do have super slow chargers that I can use, but would run out of electric before getting a topup just on using heating to sit there for 8-12 hours. when I say super slow charger it taken an hour just to regain the battery capacity to drive the 3 miles in the height of summer.
I wonder how that would work here in the US. Several issues: battery weight would squash the profits from driving loads. Everything currently gets loaded at the federal limit... The battery is part of that total weight calculation. Second: Truck stops located at the top of mountains in areas with low populations in the area. Calculations on having say 10 truck chargers running would need peaks of power that are what a small to medium sized city would draw. Putting in acres of solar isn't a solution in that area. Running new 238kv lines would be needed, and that is incredibly expensive. Throw in AI and the power they need, and there is no where near the available generation without building lots of nukes to generate the gigawatts of power that are needed.
What if they mount the batteries under the trailer and the power goes to the truck through a cable like those for the lights and brakes? Yes, with that solution you can't move witouth a trailer but they can also put some batteries in the truck with, for example, 100 km range, just to let you move a bit to get another trailer elsewhere.
If you have access to hot water, you can make oatmeal. Tinned fish for lunch 🐟
15:20 Nun bin ich gespannt, ob das selbstgebastelte Schildchen, mit dem Elektrotruck-Pioniere darauf hinweisen, dass es effizienter wäre, an einer anderen Ladesäule zu laden (um sich nicht die Ladeleistung teilen zu müssen), künftig zumindest bilingual (also auf Deutsch und Englisch) sein wird. Oder wird es für alle, die keine Übersetzungs-App nutzen auch eine Sonderedition von dem höflichen Hinweisschild zum vorübergehenden Überkleben des Ladesäulenbedienungsbildschirms in elf Sprachen geben? 😉
17:52 Although that is the solution, even without charging, there are simply not enough parking places for trucks today, never mind enough with chargers. And this is a Europe wide problem.
While North America has to put up with Teslas vapourware Europeans are far ahead on trucks.
Am from uganda and all the city's you drive in I know them as football teams
I tested electric Volvo and Mercedes. Unfortunately charging prices here in Norway are very steep and 8 tones limit for one axle is crazy limit. We use 3 axle unit trucks and more or trucks pulling 4 or 5 a les trailers. That's for spreading weight and total 60 tones.
Electric trucks were strong and relaxing drive but loaded to maximum limit with cold weather made range very below factory numbers. Volvo made 230km and charge again. Try to go several thousand km. At the end my road trip was almost 2 days longer, price for electricity was similar to diesel in Norway. Realy devastated with highest prices for charging in Europe, this way does not make sence. I lost one one trip almost thousand euro.
Oh, American tractors have extra axles but it won't solve the mileage issue for you guys, no way around the weathering affect.
E trucks for now are ideal in certain industries and radius/route
I'm curious about the kWh pricing of these different charging stations. Are they relatively similar in pricing or do they vary widely depending on location and time?
Location and time do not matter. Usually, the charging network has different prices depending on whether you have a subscription or not.
I wondered about the battery weight issue.
very interesting
21:40 Rare Earth elements are not used in any batteries, as far as I know. They are used in the magnets in electric motors and wind turbines. The most commonly used Rare Earths are Neodymium and Scandium. In actuality, the name 'Rare Earth' is something of a misnomer for many of those elements, because those two groups (Lanthanides and Actinides) are found in numerous places around the planet, and are probably in your garden soil as trace elements. They are somewhat difficult to separate one from another, which makes the pure elements more expensive than they might have been.
Lanthanides are elements 57 to 70 and Actinides are elements 89 to 102, with only the higher numbers being man-made and therefore extremely rare.
If you were talking about Cobalt not being used in LFP batteries, you need to know that Cobalt is not a Rare Earth element. Cobalt is element 27 in the Periodic Table, sitting between Iron at 26 and Nickel at 28..
So you have to drop your trailer to charge?
Having to charge (refuel) twice in a 650 km trip would be unacceptable here in Australia. Deliveries would take far too long in such a vast country. Would be okay for city work though.
He has to do a break of 45 minutes anyway every 4-5 hours by law. Speed is limited to 88 kph, too.
@ Here in Australia it’s a 15 minute break after 5hrs 30mins, then a scale up to 12 hours and a max speed of 100 kph. (I’ve been sitting on 110 and been passed by B-Doubles. 😂 ) Even our triple trailer 110 tonne road trains do 100 kph. Transport companies here can’t afford to have their trucks sitting idle for several hours charging. There’s no infrastructure here to charge huge truck batteries anyway due to grid limits and no grid at all in many places, just locally provided power via diesel generators. Another decade of development and the story will probably be different. Electric delivery size trucks in cities would be good for air quality though.
@@PropanePete Well, then maybe Edison Motors is better suited for 'Stralia....
Edison Motors ?? What’s that?
16:48 - okay. 👍
What's your dog's name ? Europe EV transformation is light years ahead of us in Canada. Way to go.
Is it Ioniq 5 with a new style of a roofbox that is supposed to be mounted backwards? Or an owner just reversed a “regular” roof box?
Just a regular roof box.
@ thank you
Huge hassle and then 0.78 EUR/kWh, which means it's even more expensive than driving a Diesel.
Dude, what an absolute pain for early adopters...
0,39 EUR/kWh
@peter_meyer
He paid 0.78 EUR/kWh at one of the chargers. Says it in the video. Certainly higher than usual, but the fact that he had to charge there and actually pay that price because no other option was feasible for him or the fact that some chargers have such prices...
@@a564-c3q Oh, he could be unlucky with Diesel, too. If you _have_ _to_ fill up the tank, you don't look at the price.
21:38 "LFP batteries have no rare earth elements". Sure, but NMC batteries don't either. And I think no battery technology has "rare earth elements". Maybe you mean cobalt ? Cobalt is a relatively rare metal, but the main issue of cobalt is the price and of course some child labor in a few mines in Africa. But child labor has nothing to do with batteries and sadly it will continue when batteries will not anymore use cobalt, and then anti-EV propaganda (and so most medias) won't anymore care and talk about it 😱.
And believe it or not, but cobalt is fed to cattle to ensure they produce vitamin B12.
Your last comment is sadly true. When people say to me "Well if you're so smart, why don't we have flying cars?" THAT comment is the actual answer. (We could, except for ... people).
Also cobalt's primary use is in diesel fuel, to remove sulfur (it acts like a catalyst) so it's a really, really, REALLY stupid comment to say regarding the child labor issue....
@@MrOpenGL What aspect of my comment is "stupid" ? Child labor has always been an issue in Democratic Republic of Congo, it is has nothing to do with batteries or diesel production, it is about the lack of politic will of the leaders of this country. Some people are using this issue to argue against EVs but they don't care *at all* about the children since they *never* address the real causes. And when EVs will not anymore use cobalt, child labor in Democratic Republic of Congo will not anymore be in the spotlight and a huge opportunity to address this issue will have been lost.
@didierpuzenat7280 uh certainly not your comment! But the usual lies that the EV fearmongering groups keep repeating. Those are real stupid.
Don’t truckers flash their marker lights to warn of speed enforcement or some other peril ahead? I see it occasionally in the US anyway.
uk here
yes we do
Where is the supercharger located?
No EV batteries have rare earths. NMC does have Cobalt however.
Yep. Exactly that I want to write ;)
Cobalt is not a rare earth.
Neodymium magnet is a rare earth.
The MGU feature, not the batteries.
The big problem with electrification is finding the power. Renewables are not the answer as they fluctuate and can't support base load. The grids around the world can't support the extra demand on them. Then you have the batteries which are volatile. And get worse as you go bigger. Then you have to consider where all the components for this infrastructure come from and the devastation that is causing. The time factor sitting there waiting for the thing to charge and hopefully not catch fire. Many electric trucks already have. The weight of the batteries and reduced load. Range covered in a given time with charge times and labour cost. Running costs. Depreciation of vehicle. Access to charging in enough locations. Factor in the AI and picture all the Tesla accidents. Braking for no reason, causing accidents. Driving into everything around them for no reason. So common police in the US just say, Oh they do that. Like it is nothing. And locking you inside to make sure you burn well. They often do that too. Rather you than me. I'll stick to Diesel. Whose carbon footprint is no bigger than the electric truck and would take the electric one about 10 years to overtake, by which time it is scrap.
Renewables are the answer. Fluctuation can be covered by bidirectional charging and large battery parks, like Tesla has planned (and are already build in some places).
Volatile batteries? Maybe 10 years ago.
@peter_meyer You obviously don't watch the news, and are not science minded. Even the largest bess units can't supply a base load. And dozens of them around the world have burnt spectacularly. The cars burn. The trucks burn. Even electric bikes are burning thousands of people's houses down. Every day more on the news. Tesla trucks on fire. It is everywhere. There are not the resources on the planet to make it work. The infrastructure cost is prohibitive. Solar sites and windmill sites closing down all over the place. Not economical to run. Billions wasted. Enjoy your oversized milk float. But I would just ask you to do your own research. Improve your science knowledge. And watch the reality of the lithium world. The pollution from all the thermal runaways. Watch a couple of electric truck fires. They are impressive, but deadly. Just consider both sides. In theory running the world on all electric isn't a bad idea. But in reality that is lifetimes away. Think of the damage this current electric course is doing. Science and facts destroy the idea.
I wish people wouldn't repeat 2014 talking points.
There is plenty of excess energy available. Routinely renewables have to be shut off in middle of the day when they could be producing the most energy because there isn't enough demand. Then if you switch to charging overnight demand has plummeted. There is basically unlimited energy available for vehicle charging off those base load sources like nuclear or hydro.
@otm646 2014 Talking points. Yeh right. 2024, this year. Tesla trucks, not available in 14. Going up in flames closing highways in America for a day at a time. Massive pollution issues. Numerous Bess systems all over the place burning. One recently burnt for 7 days. Town evacuated. Still 2024. EV fires destroyed hundreds of other cars in massive fires. Caused building demolitions. Numerous fires at battery assembly plants. Many deaths, and millions in damages. Electric cycle batteries caused literally thousands of house and shop fires. Many lives lost and massive property damage. Two Ro Ro car ships destroyed. Millions in damages. Insurance companies are jacking all policies or refusing cover. Korea bans EV charging in Unit buildings. Several massive solar arrays, into the billions. Closed down, uneconomical to run. Hertz car rental wiped a couple of billion off it's share price because of EV'S. Now dumped them from it's fleet. Derelict windmills shut down in less than 10 years. Broken and uneconomical. Nuclear would be the answer. But then there are only 30 odd countries currently with nuclear power. A lot don't class this as green. The average country's grid system is not designed to power multiple EVS. Each car is many houses. A truck is many streets. Cost of upgrade, telephone numbers. This is 2024. Not 2014. You need to catch up mate. You are 10 years behind.
@@davetaylor4741 You're even 50 years behind.
EVs do not burn more often than combustion engines. But the press makes big news out of every EV burning.
sync sound ?
Always, not in full charge...why ?
My Nissan Leaf seems to magically get a higher range estimate once it warms up.
Edit: I suspect it is because of a higher cell voltage.
Will be interesting to see how Tesla's semi fairs in Europe with the different rules there. They've said they built it to work there with only a few very minor tweaks. I know they're aiming for/promising under 9,070kg for the 480km version, and under 10,430kg for the 800km version. But I don't know anything about how it's distributed. Just from looking at it, it looks like the weight is pretty evenly distributed between the front/steering axle and the forward tandem axel.
kleiner tipp. es gibt ai tools die die stimme aus videos entfernen können. mit normalen geräuschen im hintergrund sind die videos bestimmt sehenswerter
Man kann sich auch einfach die Originalvideos ansehen.
@@peter_meyer toller vorschlag für das englischsprachige publikum
@@HaloofBlood1 Genau. Darum hast du deinen Beitrag ja auf deutsch verfaßt.
Ist aber ja egal. man kann ja die YT-Translation probieren. Die ist zwar für gewöhnlich grottig, aber man hat dann den O-Ton.
Sei mai stato in Italia con il tuo camion?
signs should be in german and pictographic google translate exists
So clearly the Scania is the most thought-through truck. The others are more show-off and compromises.
For the almighty Algorithm 😉
Test for us an electric truck by using to transport an excavator or bulldozer in a maram road with hills. Thats how you test. You only want to carry 8tonnes.
He went through steep hills, fully loaded. No problem. The only problem were the slow Diesel trucks.
btw, do you know the really large haul trucks in quarries and mines? Those are electric driven. The diesel just replaces the battery. These trucks have a _payload_ of up to 450 metric tons (440 long tons; 500 short tons).
He's a commercial trucker, he's not cherry picking loads. He's hauling what comes from dispatch. It's very common to have loads that are limited by volume, not weight. Not every single semi truck going down the road has 40 tons in the trailer.
Ultimately, the issue of weight and weights distribution is not decided by a god on high. It's all derived at the moment from what has been available for decades. Which means..... Heaven forfend.... it can all be changed! Including driving-rest hours, charging times vs. rest/driving/loading times and all else. E-trucks are new, with doifferent weights and different driving - refueling needs. Change the system! How hard can it be?
Worth mentioning all the dumb charge tech / charge point companies issues, are already solved on the Tesla side of the fence and they are about to start installing their V4 charging infrastructure which can do 500kW for both cybertruck and semi and from what I understand can natively push 800-1000V to the vehicle without having to mess around with tandem phases and whatnot. They also say this V4 hardware is somehow cheaper and faster to make so they will be installing it everywhere moving forwards. If the rest of the industry want to keep being slow and incompetent, Tesla will just eat their share of the lunch as usual.
For me it means electric trucks are pretty much already a solved problem at least in europe, I can understand the thousand kilometers drives still being somewhat of a problem but this is all limited by how many charger stations get installed, people still have to sleep and can charge meanwhile anyhow.
You expose a level of incompetence that is almost unbelievable in an HGV driver. 1.20 - 140 There is NO EXCUSE for driving into the back of another vehicle. Never mind hitting another lorry, you could crush my car with me in it. ALL DRIVERS MUST DRIVE SO THAT THEY CAN STOP SAFELY WITHIN THE DISTANCE THAT IS CLEAR IN FRONT OF THEM. This is particularly important as you are sitting on top of a monstrously heavy fire bomb the extinguishing of which could cause untold inconvenience for other road users. (In California, a 16 hour closure of a major highway). Stopping safely means that you should adjust that stopping distance if there is an idiot behind you who is too close. You should ALWAYS be aware of what is behind you. Slamming on the anchors and getting smashed in the back (possibly by another monstrously heavy electric fire bomb) is not very clever.
Nope, he doesn't espouse incompetence, rather he is only talking about what would automatically if he did nothing. Of course that doesn't mean he is incompetent rather that he knows the limits of the machine.
i cant believe anyone else hasnt commented on the insane power these electric chargers are drawing, i mean, 300,000 watts? its little wonder they keep dropping off or cutting out.
That is charger's DC output, not AC input. Most likely it will be somewhat more.
It’d be nice to see hybrid diesel electric trucks explored more
All electric is best
What are your thoughts on the Tesla Semi? is it too long for EU? or will it be usable, because electric trucks must be 90cm. longer than diesel trucks.
@rasmusjensen9146 There are extra allowances for length and weight on EV trucks.The Tesla Semi will almost certainly be redesigned for European and Asian roads, it will likely be a compromise between space and aerodynamics.
@@grahammonk8013 Nikola managed but I think it required a straight up redesign and collaboration with IVECO.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I think the IVECO truck is basically re-badged for Nikola. The Tesla Semi is currently designed for use in NA. *When* they look to expand beyond that, I'm sure they can manage to do so.
Totally a waste of time having electric trucks cars and vans causing more harm to the planet than a 5year old diesel truck as a hgv class 1 driver myself they don't have the ability to go the distance like a diesel truck and that's a proven fact
Please can you add some clips onto RUclips Shorts. You will get so much more exposure on the positives and negatives of the EV trucking industry. Wish I had an electric truck to provide my daily life as an EV trucker. I’ve got so much content I’d love to cover.
You have to split the unit and trailor ??? In the uk if we pull into a charger with 1 min to go and then have to change charger because off it not working everybody will be down our throats for breaking the tacho break and we be in trouble 😡 instead off using a 5th wheel clamp why not get a suzzie lock on the brake line ? EV trucks no thanks.
Dirt Iveco..must have got paid by them to sell there shit.
When do you make money? You don't drive, you only charge.
He could easily upload 10 hour videos. I bet you would watch every second.
do you understand the concept of video editing?
Interesting Videos ! Well done. However shifting everything from diesel to electric power will never be a solution...short term maybe but not worth it... People should just be honnest and either stop consuming so much or just don t care.... But thinking that technology will make it possible to consume the same or more with a sustainable balance for the planet.... Just an absolute lie !
About 150 years ago someone claimed something similar about cars and horses.
@peter_meyer and have we achieved a better balance for the planet since :-).... Not so sure
Am from uganda and all the city's you drive in I know them as football teams