Battlestar Galactica | Cavil Gives Up
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Cavil makes a deal with Galactica and calls off his attack.
Season 4, Episode 19-21 "Daybreak Parts 1, 2 &3" - Events and conflicts reach their climax, and humans and Cylons face a stark decision.
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When Baltar rolls 20 on charisma
Made me chuckle out loud with that one.
Baltar was the fracking best character on the show. He was the J.R. Ewing of the Sci-fi Network.
The dude nearly always rolls Nat 20 tho
@@Marqui91 are you sure, the way he looks it seems like he constantly rolls the dc and not a number above, he passes all his checks... barely
@@captainkiwi77 there's a good argument that can be made there. From my perspective, it seems he's in terrible situations where anyone else would fail, so by comparison it looks like he's rolling that 20
Saul saying it was Bill's call and that he would back him no matter what he chose really shows Saul's devotion as not just an XO to Adama, but also his devotion as a friend. Trusting completely how the war should end to the good Admiral.
Saul's loyalty to Adama has always been his strongest motivator - over Ellen, over his duty, even over booze.
cavil gets on the phone exactly the way everybodies grandpa does, the same aggressive as fuck "HELLO, ITS ME _____"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
this comment is gold XD
I love to see this as an universal phenomenon :D
No caller id back then.
The moment Gaius Baltar redeems himself and saves the human race
Wouldn't say redeemed, made a step.
@@KitchenSinkSoup
That's all any of us can do.
It’s also his fault we’re in this position in the first place
@@The_Mimewar to be fair, if caprica 6 was banging me I'd tell her everything she wanted to know too
@@Michael-hb4wc True
I can't count how many times over the years I've picked up a phone as a joke and yelled, "Hello? Hello, it's me Cavil!" 03:50
Zero is a number and you can count it.
annoyed707 lmao
TotinosPizzaRollz 😂😂😂😂
Did you tell them to stand down?
Sorry for digging this back up.
I wonder if Henry Cavill does this.
"Hello? Hello! It's me! Cavill."
R.I.P. Dean Stockwell!!! Your acting in BSG and Quantum Leap will not be forgotten!!! Thank you for the memories!!! SO SAY WE ALL!!!
I could never see him in this show without seeing Al.
Ziggy says SO SAY WE ALL
The Leap!!!!!
Thanks to Covid 19 I binged watched the whole Show and it was great.
Time to watch Firefly again, just saying :)
@@mikecimerian6913 Time to produce another season!
Would it have been great if not for COVID-19?
I'm binge watching BSG again atm too!
Just about to finish season 2! (Just wish i didn't have to share the TV with my girlfriend - grrrr!)
@Steve Ross The end was, but the first 3 seasons were great.
Loved how Cavil oozed sarcasm at every opportunity. Sarcastic villains are always fun to watch.
Its honestly less sarcasm and just plain bitter cynicism. But yes, its absolutely delicious to watch.
WOW. I've been going through my mum's box-set, watching BSG, finished it an hour ago. EASILY the best show i've ever seen. It is just amazing, the actors, the writers and crew...everything. This is true perfection. SO SAY WE ALL
"Perfection"?
What about after this scene?
Kara just punches her "Magic coordinates" into the computer, and everyone lived happily ever after, in a paradise God gave them as a reward for making peace?
Hardly "Perfection " unless you are a writer, late Friday night trying to find a good ending by your Monday morning deadline! 😡
@@TheNoiseySpectator I watched it during the original run and kept faith that it was all going to make sense in the end. I loved the show so much! When I watched that "ending" I was shattered. I haven't been able to truly enjoy a scripted serial drama ever since. I just have no faith that the writers know what they're doing.
SO SAY WE ALL!
@@yoongilimerence breaking bad
Agreed
The two characters I thought I wouldn't warm to turned out to be the best. Baltar and Tigh. Both well acted and compelling.
Honestly, Tigh was one of my favorite characters. He nailed the role of a ship's XO perfectly.
The strongest characters at the end. Hard to believe based on their issues early on.
When Tigh had to give Ellen the poison that was really painful.
“You know I know a bit about farming…”
FRAKK!!! **** Cavill blows his own head off!
that part I remember.
That part made me literally 🤣
Am I the only one that thought "Cavil Gives Up" meant the scene after this where he improvs "frack it!" and blows his brains out? Lol
I just posted a similar comment before reading yours lol!
@@Onigirli I did the same thing to someone else lol I'm 20 years late, but this is my new favorite series 🤘
Everyone is talking about Baltar but seemingly forgetting that Cavil's actually keeping his word until one of the Final Five breaks theirs.
Might be the final five, but Saul still said it was up to Bill Adama and he'd back him either way. Loyalty.
Hera's role, as the hybrid, in survival of Cylons is based on other Cylons' belief in the G-d & G-d's plan; Canon states Cavil is an atheist, thus from Cavil this claim sounds irrational.
Baltar suggests the solution as the way to break the cycle of death-rebirth-escape.
The Thirteenth Tribe were Cylons from the original Earth; their religion of Kobol's lords transitioned to humans' 12 colonies. This is the first cycle in a loop.
Current Cylons, aside from Cavil, are believing in the one true G-d. The Messengers' goal aligns with what current Cylons so far produced: a new race (hybrid) following their new religion. Kara Thrace led both races (of current Cylons and 12th colonies' humans) to prophesied 'death', as we can see in the ending scene of 150,000 years later. This is the second cycle in a loop.
Therefore Baltar's plan was doomed from the beginning because it's not about breaking the cycle at all, rather a transition from the previous religion to the new one. Baltar was brainwashed by The Messengers over four seasons through several traumatic experiences, he was even named by the Messenger Six as 'guardian and protector' of the hybrid, which role he executed perfectly.
Cavil shouldn't have started the war in the first place, it was irrational for the race of immortal machines to risk their existence, especially when the sole resurrection hub had been destroyed - it should've jumped the instance galactica & pegasus showed near by. BUT if we assume the current cylons (and may be previous ones) are no more than cybernized humans, everything fits into place: several tribes of humans are manipulated through various religions to follow The Messengers' agenda.
You just wait till The Messengers' come up with a new religion. They're among us thousands of years later, after all.
@@queterian1526 Have you watched the show's Epilogue?
@@pimthaisomboonsuk3590 you mean "The Plan"? Or what happens 150,000 later?
@@queterian1526 the latter
Gotta give Hera credit. In the middle of an entire gun/grenade battle and she doesn't even whine.
Probably will grow up to be a psycho like her mom.
@Admiral Talax very valid point. I mean, caprica six reads the national geographic article in the finale about Hera dying at a youngish age, so, yeah, I bet you're right.
I was surprised to see Dean Stockwell in this series, but he made a great evil mastermind type of character. Also loved him in Quantum Leap, Dune & Psych-Out (with Jack Nicholson).
and Murder she wrote?
That's not when he gave up... he still had the back of his head on at the end. :p
You know once they had the resurrection technology Cavil was never going to keep his word
I am not so sure. I think he was sick of the humans at that point. Even exterminating them was no longer worth his hassle. At that time with resurrection technology he might have just picked a random direction in the cosmos & never looked back.
@@NorybDrol82 Didn't the only in-range resurrection ship go byebye?
i think he would have. whats the point? from his standpoint he had already lost, best he could really do is mutually assured destruction. if the humans had managed to drag him down to this point, why risk anything further by coming back later? take the deal and just go, and pursue their own evolution or whatever, and leave the humans to their own devices.
@@JamesMichaelDoyle with this sound logic he wouldn't have started the war in the first place, especially dragging the sole resurrection hub they had along in the warzone.
This is why you include an unlock code that you transmit once you're safely out of weapons range.
Ok fine. After like 19 videos on RUclips I'll FRAKIN rewatch BSG
I'm watching BSG marathon on the Syfy Channel. Funny, I just got through binge watching the boxset about a week and a half ago. Still, one of the greatest sci-fi shows that was ever on TV!
Nope
So say we all.
And of course, in true Battlestar fashion, it all goes to hell a few minutes later. Still, you have appreciate that it *almost* worked. Plus, I think it's cool that the show took a chance and decided to explore religion in a way that shows like Star Trek struggled with: that maybe in the middle of all the chaos, there is some divine force at work. Having the man of science bending a knee and becoming the voice of religion in this moment after 4 seasons of struggling with his character was extremely satisfying, and a terrific character arc! Gaius had played the part of cult leader before, but in this moment... he actually began to truly believe. I think it was a cool decision for the show to make and play with... and never fully answer.
It’s a lot like today I think we’re going to finally fix it all then somebody does something stupid and suddenly it’s all on again. Sooner or later we both have to stop doing stupid things and realizing if we don’t get our stuff together we’re going to have this country tear itself apart in a Civil War so ugly that nobody not even me can wrap their heads around.
Babylon 5 also integrated religion in a very positive and meaningful way. There's even a clip where Commander Sinclair is introducing alien diplomats to clergy from various human religions. It was a nice touch.
interesting points about religion from the two series: Glen A Larson was a Mormon and incorporated a lot of religious theology from his point of view into the Battlestar story, this was carried on and expanded upon in the reboot as we see here. Roddenberry was an atheist and his creation was based on Humanism through secularism, the power of the individual through social potential to overcome and learn by moral and philosophical inquiry.
@@dcanmore
Star Trek's writing comes off as a bit self-righteous at times. Star Trek also doesn't really handle religion very well with the cast either being dismissive of it or just representing it as an inconvenience.
It's doesn't deal with human nature quite the same.
@@zadkiel242 I think I was making that point when I said Roddenberry was an atheist and therefore it was a Humanist approach in Star Trek rather than a religious one, hence the religious overtones in Star Trek were virtually non-existent and yes the heroes come across as righteous as per the individual struggle to win the day as opposed to absolution and faith.
Another of the countless brilliant scenes from this show!
The writing and acting for this show is so *compelling.* It's withstood the test of time quite elegantly - far better than so many shows we've seen since. ❤️
This is BONKERS!! Syfy JUST aired a skype between Tricia & James, and she asked him what he thought Gaius' biggest moment was. He said: 'Idk, so many-becoming president, engaging in a Cylon 3-way?'😂
*I thought: Your angel speech? And then you uploaded it!! WUT??* Thank You Again BSG! Loving the "Hang In Geek Out" BSG BITES to see what the cast is doing now!💗
A redeemed villain trying to talk down the big bad.
Binges watching this show missed it when it first aired. Watched all of the original in the day it came out. Yea, I'm old. Really enjoyed the remake.
When you realize the cylons downfall was turning themselves into human flesh
It wasnt they're downfall , it was they're Ascension
Eric Pelote their ascension into failure
@@Arbitraryshoe49 their ascension...into failure...failure to not be awesome...awesome at killing...killing the past and looking to the future...etc etc
their ascension into becoming one with the humans, yes it was their downfall as a people, but in the long run a human cylon coexistence was achieved which overides any misgivings anyone might have
The flesh is weak!
This series is so intense.
I stopped watching it almost halfway, I'm gonna have to pick it up again.
I had a break halfway through...definitely worth the watch though, I thought it just got better.
One of the best series i have ever seen. I miss it
Pretty crazy that the President and the Admiral are sidelined in the final negotiations, and it comes down to Baltar and Cavill - two most morally bankrupt characters of either civilization, one an atheist scientist turned religious believer and the other a religious leader turned full on psychopathic nihilist - bartering over the fate of their peoples with a hybrid child, machine immortality, and armies as bargaining chips.
You also have to include Tigh in the mix, there. As one of the Final Five, his offer of resurrection technology couldn't have been made by Baltar, and it's what turned the tide. And Tigh, at least, is a extremely moral character.
While all this was going on nobody bothered to ask "Has anyone seen Racetrack?" 🤣
Baltar's 'angels' are the super beings from the old TV series.
Super beings?
@@Musashination I think they're called seraphs in the old series wiki.
I thought the title said when cavil gives up is when he gives up on live by blowing his head off
Frak yourself
@@rikosaikawa9024cavil: "frak"blow his head off
RIP Dean Stockwell
This show was a masterpiece
Such a great show. Wish we had something like it currently on TV.
Try the Expanse, I consider it a near peer of BSG, and I love BSG.
@crystallineentity it's hot garbage slop for normies
Cavils last words “oh frack”
When I first heard of this remake I was skeptical after watching 1 episode i was hooked it awesome
and now as we near 17 years since this remake, they're remaking it again lol
Right up until the end ruined it all with primitivist idiocy
@@defies4626 A little bit yeah.. but the very end was rather prophetic.. all the robots and all ...
@@Ghost-Mom yeah i heard I really don't think it will be as god this time .. we'll see ...amazing a show that only aired 1 season has so many iterations/remakes and loyal fans decades later
RIP Dean Stockwell 💔
You have to take a quantum leap of faith.
Rings back memories.... thanks 👍🏻
And then everything abruptly goes to hell at breakneck speed.
GOD!
I LOVE THESE CLIPS!
This show had the best casting.
If only he had said you’ll have to take a quantum leap of faith.
And then the deal was perfectly honored. Everyone walked away, scarred but happy with the outcome, and all was well.
RIP Dean 😞
We will miss you One.
RIP Dean
Television was invented for the purpose of showing us truly GREAT content like BSG. What a shame that there is very little content that aspires to reach the level of BSG, which I say is simply the best serial that has EVER been on television.
I loved the first BSG series when I was a kid but this one is much better. So rare that a reboot surpasses the original.
Givethe Expanse, I consider it a near peer of BSG, and I love BSG.
Leap of faith is an episode of quantum leap 😂
When you've got the cylons, the colonials, _and freaking Baltar_ all pulling guns on you, you know you done f--ked up.
“SAY WHAT!”
I use the double “it doesn’t matter” in discussion all the time.
miss this show
That reminds me of the time I went to prison, served my prison sentence, got out and was ready for anything.
In August of 2003.
guias baltar is such a charachter arc, almost as good as watching adamna and tigh
I just now finished my box set of Battlestar Galactica and now I am going back and watching it again in order to write a fan fiction or attempting to write a BSG fan fiction.
Good luck with it
" As good as my word "
Binge watching it on BBC iPlayer
BTW: After binge-watching, I *really* don't get the disdain for the deus ex machina/Spiritual finale: "Daybreak". In Season 1, Ep. 7, Baltar is TOLD that Six is an angel, and she sees Angel Gaius in the Season 2 finale/Sn3 premiere! Oh my *gods!*
Yeah, between the prophecies and visions, people were expecting a purely physical meaning to end the show off? Ol' Baltar's been seeing his angels since the start, if anything, the show is less about the ship, and more his accepting his place in some higher powers plan.
My problem was them introducing angles in the first place. The show didn't need it.
@@WasimSaleem exactly. It would be amazing without all of the spiritual trash thrown in. I would love to re-watch it all but the religion-heavy theme stops me every time.
@@pcrem9953 The religious themes weren't the issue. Whether we like it or not, religion is plays a major part of society. And the fundamentalist monotheistic religion of the Cylons played right into the post 9/11 feeling of the time. But to actually make the supernatural real in the show was a mistake to me. And it's not just me looking back, the moment when Balter had the first vision of the Opera house my heart sank. Up till then, the head six could be explained by other means.
@@WasimSaleem Yeah, I was being harsh. Baltar being spoken to by angels, etc. didn't kill it for me. What did was Starbuck coming outta nowhere and disappearing to nowhere just ruined it for me and other such instances where it had to be God.
The Opera house scenes(all of them given the shared visions) could still be explained by them all being descendants of cylons. It could be explained somehow if you really wanted to stretch.
Having said that, the black and white validation at the end, rather than leaving a "maybe" feeling about the divine. It just felt like we were being force fed what to believe and left a magnified sense of bitterness which to this day stops me from re-watching what was otherwise an amazing show.
The "Cavil on the phone" bit always bothered me, He needed to say a code word for it to be realistic.
Because there's no way the enemy Cylons would just accept the voice of Cavil coming in on an enemy radio saying to cease fire.
Exactly how many episodes was dean in? His imbd says 15 but I swear I can only count 8 which if any am I missing?
I'm watching BSG on Comet TV 🖒🖒🖒
Yup, but hate that commercials every 6 minutes.
@@busterbrown8830 yeah, it's frackin' annoying
They bleep out half the dialogue
You people are pure.
0:18 I still think it would have been better if Hera *SCREAMED* at that point, and all the Centurions on both sides had stopped fighting, looked back toward the control center, and come running together, guns pointed at Cavil, to protect her!
I think CIC was crowded enough as it was... what with the debris and corpses everywhere added...
@@RayMKlll Yes, but if all the Cylons from both sides came running to protect Hera from Cavil, then the war would have been ended by _Hera._
In the end, she would have been more than just something for everyone to fight over.
Think about how powerful that would have been; if that barely - even - a - child, Cylon - Human hybrid had ended the war all by herself?
I was literally just playing Stellaris and these machines a.i rose up against me. Lol reminded me of battlestar after they whipped me out.
and thats why i outlaw synthetics when i play :)
Fucking great show. Ok time to rewatch from beginning!!
Can someone send me link to the BSG alarm horn please
It stuck in my head
Fuck this was a good show
Al, you're facing off against EDI and Alucard. Give up.
Baltar & Cavil sure loved hearing themselves speak. They both made me nauseous.
Miguel Lopez, I think like many viewers, I find it hard to deny Stockwell's characterization as being very captivating, and while I wouldn't nearly always equate Baltar's loquaciousness, as being as uniformly compelling, in this particular instance, the layout of their encounter, makes for a scene that is well worth repeatedly enjoying. YMMV.
@yeah I'm John Assal Not at all. I'm a father of 5 and have seen my share of tantrums.
Amusing and embarrassing. Cavil sees past the madness to get to the point - resurrection technology for peace.
I personally think that the angels in Galatica were Olympians. I think the Baltar angel was Ares, and the Six angel was Aphrodite. I also think Starbuck was Athena
They didn't exactly hide the parallels. The child was named Hera. The colonies were mostly named after the Zodiac.
The only thing that bugged me about the series was the flashback continuity. When he had the big beard, he had it in flashbacks. When he had his short hair, he had it in flashbacks
pretty ironic to see george rr martin to flame this ending and then proceeds to give us got season 8 and no final books
Hah, yeah.
Final jump next?
Just a thought but how did they get Zander into the Cylon control room,and back to the Galactica?
they didn't. He was in galactica the whole time. They created their own link, to link up with the Cylon Hybrid. I'm not sure if it's this episode, but he showed up in Galactica's bridge, but it's more like his spirit, not his body. Like the angels.
I don't think that Cavil was "evil" or a "villain". He just was the right wing fraction of the cylons, because every evolving society has to split into groups with different priorities. The real art of managing a well developed society is to accept the different views and to merge them into a compromise that is acceptable to all.
All the goosebumps!
Why didn't that other force help stop the Cylons from doing genocide?
Joseph Christovich, Am I going to have to have the “free will” argument again?
They didn't commit total genocide
And as Balter says, God isn't good or bad.
God Seeing that the earth was corrupt and filled with violence, God instructed Noah to build an ark in which he, his sons, and their wives, together with male and female of all living creatures, would be saved from the waters. Noah entered the ark in his six hundredth year, and on the 17th day of the second month of that year "the fountains of the Great Deep burst apart and the floodgates of heaven broke open" and rain fell for forty days and forty nights until the highest mountains were covered 15 cubits, and all earth-based life perished except Noah and those with him in the ark.
or in this case galatica and the fleet is the arc and the cylons were the flood to punish humanity corruption or some BS like that
That other force instructed the Cylons to do that in the first place
Great series. Very Mormon in this plotting (the original writer was Mormon. hence all the stuff about 13 tribes, Kobol, having to suffer before being saved etc).
Lol where's maroney?
@@friendofvinnie Will have to think about that!
Explains why they ruined it with religious bullshit.
@@pcrem9953 Lol it started as a theistic show, not the creator's fault you didn't see any of it until the end.
@@Acanthophis I did see the social side of religion in the show and though it irked me personally I felt it fit in with the society they were living in and most of the political and social strife was done very very well.
Baltar seeing angels? That's fine, maybe he is nuts, maybe it's all real. At least it didn't stuff belief down our throats.
What ruined it was Starbuck coming back to life, shared visions, etc. Stuff that was stating that the one God was real and that's that. Either deliberately linear religious thinking or lazy writing. Take your pick.
He did not give up, they made a deal with him...wrong title
I was so shock with Cavil's death, just I was with Dualla and Billy. I thought for sure Billy was the 5 Cylon. I like Billy and Dualla together.
No worry there are many others cavil but with no resurection technlogy they will die after some years probably
Cavil's death made me laugh out loud. It was like he rage quit a video game.
I think that Billy was originally going to be the 5th, but he left the show. And yet, the President's aide (with her weak backstory) ended up being the 5th and it never made sense. So, I've always thought that the intent was for it to be Billy.
where is the part where Cavil shoots himself?
FRACK! 🥴 🔫
.......... FRAK!
God that man sickens me but what a speech
*Gods* it's plural...
You want really sickening? Check Baltar in the orginal series.
@@chrisbingley So true. In the original series, Baltar was a knowing, willing traitor to his species. In the reimagined BSG, Gaius Baltar had NO idea he was betraying his people until afterward; he was an unknowing traitor. That's something a lot of fans overlook. And both characters were portrayed brilliantly, by John "Commander Kor" Colicos and then by James Callis.
@@PaulCashman, While that's true, he was also very well aware that conveying that information to ANYONE was an illegal act that was an a priori case of compromising the most secure state secrets, and if he was discovered, would most likely have been lined up against a wall. So, even though he was oblivious to the catastrophic opening he provided, one can't plausibly make the same argument for his being able to slough off the unquestionable criminal nature of what he did....for love, oh, you know what I mean!!!
"It is said the Force has a will, that it has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me! Because I hate the Force. I hate that it seems to have a will. That it would control us to archive some measure of balance, when countless lifes are lost. ... But in you, I see the potential to see the Force die. To turn away from its will. And that is what pleases me!"
A Kreia quote. Classy.
The show really went to the deep end the last 2 season….
That show had its problems but man did a wrap things up beautifully.
Rip Richard Hatc
Its over…
Humans make cylons
Cylons rebel trying to kill humans
Peace is signed for 40 years
Cylons hit humans with damaging strike
Humans go on the run
This scene, ok we all messed up and killed each other enough, lets just get along and start new together as one, its over and time to move on.
You gotta realise that at the time cavil shoot’s himself colons are mortal there’s no resurrection ship etc so no more bringing back
I wonder if HE realized it
With James Olmos' smokey voice in mind, I'll always wonder what it would have been like had Adama been played by Harvey Fierstein.
James Callis was great as Bsltar but wouldn’t that pistol have slammed into his face from the recoil if he had pulled the trigger?
Whoa, yeah... I have a bit of a theory that maybe this show isn't a real documentary, but I don't want to make trouble
How does a video titled "Cavil Gives Up" not include him putting a gun in his mouth, lol?
When you have 100 speech
I seriously think Cavill would have followed through with his word, if Tyrol didn't kill Tory...
this isn't when Cavil really gave up
Holy Frak!