How to Lay Subflooring | This Old House
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2024
- Tom Silva and Kevin O'Connor start laying subfloor in the Cape Ann dining room.
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After several weeks of asbestos and lead removal it’s time to start rebuilding the interior of the Cape Ann project. Kevin O'Connor helps Tom Silva lay subflooring in what will become the new dining room.
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How to Lay Subflooring | This Old House
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Just a few more videos and I'll be ready to build my house all on my own. Only took 15 years of watching videos
Have you checked out Essential Craftsman or
Perkins Builder Brothers, they both have series on building a house from ground up
@@willofdodge1 yes sir, I'm actually subscribed to them. You have good taste 👌
I’m sure you forgot most of it , it’s not easy if you don’t put it to practice
Just try and fail, you are gonna love it.
Best contractor and knowledge in America,I wish I can hire the entire team to build my next house👍.
I love this man..so professional.
3:00 Just tap it in. Just tap it in. Give it a little tappy. Tap Tap Taparoo.
Happy 😁
Two things that don’t apply to home builders because of cost and time. If installing 3/4 inch hardwood flooring on top, I wouldn’t use particle board as the sub floor but would use 3/4 inch plywood sub flooring. Particle board won’t hold the cleats or staples used by flooring installers. Second, id screw the sub floor down instead of shooting nails in. Screws don’t back out of the sub floor like nails do.
I'm about to lay subfloor. What kind of screws do you recommend?
@@cfrahmy8008 just deck screws man
Angle the nails bro
Yea B/C
Agreed I hate nails for subfloors, they will ALWAYS loosen up over time and cause squeaks
I been watching they craftsmanship and genuine work for the pass 20 years and over150 years combined experience of those professional that said it all.
Gotta say, never glued the groove of T&G flooring
About to take on this on my 98yr old spanish style remodel.
"The nail gun won't pull the floor down to the joist" well Tommy obviously doesn't run his compressor at 150psi.
Lmaooo
Good morning everyone from wellington Somerset in the UK
Good morning from laporte indiana,usa
Morning from somerset nj
I use 3" construction screws for subfloor.
That’s a bit excessive. 1 3/4” is plenty. I use the Pam driving system and it’s great.
Hi you guys are the best I was looking for a video
Kevin doing the 2 step.
This is worth watching just for the amazing accent
Not a fan of OSB but i can see how contractors like it due to the quick installation. But water damage kills OSB its like a sponge 🧽
This particular brand advanteck is real durable water doesn’t permeate it but ya there is some cheesy OSB out there
why i would never use them as runners for a floor
Oh look, another "expert" on OSB. EAD
Wes look not a expert I have seen OSB in my garage swell with just moisture as it aged! Fact! I did find out OSB stamped OS with consider waterproof
@@bigvegass See them daily swollen up and coming apart like normal OSB. If they get wet they will degrade, again seen that daily in craw spaces.
gluing into the tongue and groove i dont see too many people doing, im sure its a good detail but nowadays a lot of people just use high strength foam adhesive to spray on the joist and let ring nails do the rest of the work
Does framing go on top of subfloor or do u frame walls first then u put subfloor?
Subfloor then the walls
@@CircleVGamer thanks
Outstanding
I would like to see a test comparison with a press with that “engineered lumber” vs solid 2x10...
They did a compression and tension test of the engineered stuff, I believe it’s in the full episode
Engineered joists are far superior over dimensional lumber. You can span greater distances with the engineered joists and they have bigger top and bottom cords.
2:20 he should teach me how to glue like that
@@Kevin-mp5of Film crew was like hurry up and get out of the way.
Why would he?
You can watch the video and see it
Kevin hey Kevin, how’s it going?
Kevin do u mind if I ask y it is that u find it unfortunate to b above ground? Did someone in ur family die or do u have a terminal illness that u r suffering from at the moment?
Kevin 50 is so young..My father passed away at 49 and I miss him so much, I wish he had the desire to keep on with life and watch me grow up to b who I am today. He told me it was all about quality not quantity but in the meantime while he was thinking all of this he left me to suffer as I struggled to grow up without any real parent figure in my life from the age of 12. I felt he was to young to b so selfish because he had so many ppl in his life who loved him so very much. He left us all heartbroken.
Houses (subfloor, roof and exterior sheathing, and now joists) are now made of wood chips - how efficient and cost effective. How long will they last, especially if they come into contact with water? Also our walls are made of paper (drywall).
Yep.. the cheapest of the cheapest. Basically cardboard covered with a bunch of (mildly toxic) resin, covered with more cardboard and some gypsum…
Again it all about attention to detail that makes or breaks it
Tom is so knowledgeable! Hope he can past it on to future generations
They just said to have the joist between your legs/feet when nailing. Notice the guy just before the explanation is nailing the sub flooring nothing like that. Just hit and miss.
Kevin who?
To be fair he's working the edge of a sheet in that clip and he is standing on the side of the osb he's nailing.. so he's doing the right thing
You can’t beat the Advantech subfloor!!!
No it’s the best stuff there’s some people saying it’s garbage osb that tells you they never used it
Very helpful
I just dont understand why they will not use screws.
It's quicker to use a nail gun.
Nails is what causes squeaks. Adhesive should fix the problem?
Very professional like this videos
The expansion and contraction of the wood riding up and down the nail is what causes squeaks we need to start using screws to lady subfloors. Putting houses together faster with nails is not the way to go
Brandon Bennett My floors never squeak even after 30 years of building, just do All your jobs right for no worries.
Power Wagon mainly homes with a second floor has squeaky floors. this old house covered this year’s back on why it squeaks. the fix is to run screws through the floor.
You guys are great!
I thought you were supposed to leave a small gap between boards for expansion
More like “This New House” 😏
No compressor. Can i use screws?
I much prefer the ones with metal triangles. Leaves ton of room for wires and pipes.
F Maz Those are designed for commercial purposes and very expensive.
Shouldn’t there be a little gap between the joints of osb to allow for swelling expansion?
toungue and groove panels are usually self gapping
How thick should the subfloor plywood needs to be?
3/4 " in most cases.
Crazy to see TOH use all this engineered material. I wonder how it would hold up down south vs. The termites.
Apparently OSB and similar engineered wood products hold up well against termites because the glue/cement used to hold them together makes them a poor source of cellulose as far as termites are concerned.
When should you use cement board versus something like Ditra for your subfloor?
from my very novice knowledge of watching hours and hours of TOH and renovation videos - Ditra is an uncoupling membrane, which means, as the name says, it un-couples one surface from another. Ditra was made to be put between subfloors of wooden material and hard surfaces like tiles so that when wood goes through its seasonal expansion/contraction, it does not harm the solid joints between the tiles laid on top of it.
why didn't he nail at the edge? its marked on the floor for where the nails and screws go
Life would be sweet if contractor's did what they should but it just doesn't happen
Amen. Tommy Silva is the best of the best. If every contractor had his standards, all would be good.
I do what I should and more. Blanket statement is invalid.
Tom Silva is a Michaelangelo of our time
"Layin some floor but first gotta get my cawk gun out!" Um, I rather screw it, than nail-nails will squeak eventually.
You can shoot screws with a nail gun too, that would be best.
Anyone know what model nail gun that was?
I have that one, it's an Hitachi NV83A4, it's the heavy one.
Do not get the 90 series, they are lightweight junk, the pistons break every 10th nail.
If Tommy said it, then it is true! lol
3:51 it really looks like he missed twice
Well that dues 2 things
What kinda nail gun is that ?
Curious why they didn't use the foam adhesive!?
its $20/can vs $6/can for the same glue
Paaaaraak
OSB is not rated for horizontal use. Also a very bad choice if there is any chance it would see any moisture or humidity at all. Code would be 3/4 hardwood plywood.
No notes on the fire resistant needs of the engineered beams?
There are many half-truths and incorrect statements in the comments.
In the U.S., OSB is okay for the floor, that's why there are two spans given on the material. Same as for plywood. The shortest is flooring, the longer span rating is for roofing.
Commodity grade OSB will most definitely swell, even if it didn't rain during construction. You will see that happening to roof decks long after construction. Humidity in the attic will swell the edges.
HOWEVER, Advantec and Georgia Pacific both have a premium grade of OSB subfloor that have 500 day No-Sand guarantees. G.P. brand is DryMax. I-joist OSB webs have an extra dose of resin/glue in its web stock, as do the super premium OSB subfloors. If anyone doubts the 500 day guarantee, take home a scrap (or buy a sheet) and leave it your back yard.
Particle board is Not OSB.
Wafer board is Not OSB.
In the U.S., of the three products, only OSB is approved for flooring.
My gosh take the caulk gun away from the stoog helping.
Lol i laughed at that too
I joist `s are marked which way is up tommy
If it gets wet it’s not so good anymore
The same if it gets on fire. Good thing neither of those things happen to houses.
Watch how it is made
@@besearchingforwisdom6267 I'm just going to assume its pressed sawdust and toilet paper remnants
@LiquidDevil,Inc. While not being ideal, even plywood would have been much better.
It’s advantech. Moisture resistant. Not typical osb.
Still using nails? To cheap to use screws?
0:39 😂 I don’t really like that. Because what happens when it gets wet? We all know what happens to plywood when it gets wet over a long period of time. At least with a 2 x 8 or 2 x 6 it is solid…
How can I get in touch with these guys to half a55 my floor install?
“This doos two things...”
Mother Phelps doesn't need a plate she's got a face for the sticky stuff
The teecos nails on joice those are the worst blocking materal use 2 by ten or how far the span is .That blocking causes sqeeks. 🇺🇲
If there is no rush for the job good'o hammer & nails is way more satisfying.
Too cheap to glue and screw. Nails will eventually lead to squeaking floors and Tommy will be cursed. GRK Screws or nothing at all. They're the best
Tom, Please don’t let your years of high quality building standards be swayed. You know OSB is bad and have said so many times in the past!
OSB has its places, but not like this... Anyone who knows how OBS behaves structurally in various scenarios should be shaking their heads in that idea.
I don't know what has been done in the past decades in these videos, but one thing that I think has changed in the last year or so is that lots of designs and installations they are showing are "one-time-only" kind setups that doesn't allow easy repairs and access IF required in the future. Like that adhesive idea for the subflooring, that when you need to get access in there, you just don't have nails there but you have all glued up as well.
While in old school methods you used materials that dampened sounds but kept things so you could in case if required to open up things without too much damaging places.
It must be something to do with the latest trends for "Eco-Friendly" laws and all ideas, how anything that can be even considered "dangerous", "poisonous" or "damaging the mother earth or people" etc in any phase of the manufacturing, they are removed.
Like now we have house paints for exterior walls and roofs that can't withstand weather, wears off in few years and you need to make all again less than decade or two. Previously you had paints that didn't peel off for decades, like 30-50 years and it was like a new compared to todays, but it yet was made with just one step or process that made "Green-People" unhappy.
These days lots of construction workers don't anymore think anything about what should be needed to be done after it is done. So servicing and maintenance becomes just very difficult or impossible.
This is advanteck it is used in every house now from multimillion to 2 bedroom it gives you the flattest strongest floor hands down and water doesn’t permeate it like cheap noname osb
@@x-raymind7778 The biggest problem is a contractor or DIY person will go to a discount store and purchase it because of the price. Same type material but not the good brand.
Talk well, but doing it wrong carelessly.
So many things I see wrong in this video. Basically trying to do cliff notes on how to build a new ‘builder grade’ house. (Builder grade is the lowest grade you can go)
Like you can do any better
What did they do wrong Einstein?
And what is it that you do?
Just don’t let it get wet
Ring shank nails?
The problem with these people on This Old House is they don't do anything for anybody south of Massachusetts. The whole country isn't helped practically. I asked once in a letter to This Old House and the most they did was say your letter has been received but don't hold your breath. Unless you've been doing home improvement for years and years you cannot follow their instruction.
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4:24 minutes of noninformative video..
Wow. What a cheap way to build a house, no clue how some people would be ok with that.
Build a cheap house, rent the house out like it was built at full cost. 10-15 years down the road, sell and move onto the next one.
High quality homes have their place. But so do cheap houses. I'd rather see my pockets lined with cash if all I'm doing is investing. Renters wouod never know the difference. E
I agree. I'd be ashame to show this being my work.
What exactly are you referring to as "cheap"?